David Duke Adapts Anti-Semitic Meme To Target Blacks
You may have read that a black church in Mississippi was burned and spray-painted with “Vote Trump.” NPR:
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the vandalizing and burning of a black church in Mississippi. “Vote Trump” had been spray-painted on a wall.
As Jim Jamitis noted earlier today, this could either be a genuine hate crime or a hoax. And, of course, there is nothing inherently racist about noting the possibility of a hoax here. Especially on campuses, alleged anti-black hate crimes turn out to be hoaxes often enough that it would be irresponsible not to consider the possibility.
But . . .
But former KKK Grand Wizard and Republican candidate for U.S. Senate David Duke has a funny way of expressing this concern. Duke tweeted out a picture of the church in question with the following comment:
Just WTF is that supposed to mean? Not being conversant with racist and anti-Semitic memes, I had to get someone to explain it to me on Twitter. Fortunately, Ashley Parker on Twitter set me straight:
@Patterico @Popehat It's based on an antisemitic cartoon where a rabbi is spray-painting a Nazi symbol onto a synagogue.
— Ashley Parker (@AshPark26) November 3, 2016
@Patterico @Popehat The caption is "Hey rabbi, watcha doin?"
— Ashley Parker (@AshPark26) November 3, 2016
And here is the cartoon:
Charming, isn’t it? The hooked nose is especially telling. Duke has the meme down cold, right down to the spelling of “watcha.”
I’m so pleased Donald Trump refused to condemn David Duke and then lied about why.
Ain’t it great what Donald Trump has helped embolden in this country? Aren’t we just all so gosh-darned PROUD?
I know, I know. I’m just “virtue-signaling” here. That’s what the Trumpers call any criticism of bad behavior, right?
[Cross-posted at RedState.]
douchebag jack dorsey’s twatter? that’s a sewer i don’t never play in cause of i’m not even a member
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:25 pmLet’s see if I have the argument:
An unknown person spray painted “vote Trump” for unknown reasons on a black church, which may have been burned by that some person or someone else.
David Duke then makes a racist or anti-Semitic comment expressing skepticism that it was a genuine hate crime: which at the moment nobody knows.
And Trump now is somehow to blame.
Ok then.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:33 pmIs there a certain number of racist idiots Trump must denounce daily
kentuckydan (6ad74f) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:36 pmor is it an unbounded infinite series?
what Donald Trump has helped embolden in this country
I have seen a more weaselly-worded insinuation of blame than this.
When I was in college there were some domestic violence protesters who left chalk outlines around campus. Some one put an empty beer can into the “hand” of one of the outlines and the women’s studies majors went ballistic. One of them commented for the student newspaper:
“The person who did this has basically taken a step toward advocating rape.”
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:37 pmI had to admire the string of weasel words there: “basically”, “taken a step toward”, “advocating”, culminating with “rape”. Hats off to the SJWs.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:38 pmdid you not see the twatters?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:39 pmhello two of the twatters both used the word “watcha”
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:41 pmsp?
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:41 pmtomorrow we get jobs numbers
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:47 pmGood thing Romney and McCain were never endorsed by any racists. No doubt if they had been, their instant renunciations would have immunized them from any further such charges.
Good thing Democrats never let Klansmen hold high positions in their party.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:51 pmSo many false flag operations recently. Duke is a turd, but if I were a betting man, I’d bet this was another false flag deal. HRC’s campaign is officially in scramble/desperation mode. AA voting is said to be down to date. Voila!
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:54 pmlike that kill’em, was totally manufactured out of whole cloth, recycled in ‘julian’s bender though, run at least three times last week, and that lydell fellow, did corassante ever get to the bottom of that, or any other paper for that matter,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:56 pmthey should have never let him back from tehran, he’s png in eastern europe, but this is the most attention, he’s gotten since he sold his mailing to kathleen blanco, eleven years ago, or moira bray put her boss in a rally of his two years ago, that he never attended,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:00 pmGood thing Democrats never let Klansmen hold high positions in their party.
You mean the Supreme Court.
nk (dbc370) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:08 pmPatterico has lost it.
Lol (42bad1) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:10 pmWhen I was a reservist on temporary active duty (two weeks every summer ) iat Twenty-nine Palms, the regulars would get a bit upset that they have to stay there in the desert for however long they signed up for while we get to head back home in a couple of days.
So for a little extra misery a regular vandalized the head (common rest room facilities) with some spray paint insulting active duty regulars.
The officers made us clean it up.
Same sort of mindset that informs some few collegians in racial grievance studies to spray paint racist epitaphs or vandalize cars, buildings, what have you, on campus.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:10 pmThe KKK was a longtime “get out the vote” and “stop the other party vote” arm of the Democrat party.
illary Clinton said nice things about former KKK recruiter Bobby Bird.
Racist William Fulbright was Bill Clinton’s mentor according to … Bill Clinton.
Yet in 2016, we’ve got people saying that the KKK is some kind of conservative organization. That’s really inaccurate and quite strange.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:12 pmDoes Trump have to denounce his white racist grandma too?
Pinandpuller (7c8060) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:12 pmwell there was also walter george, kerry’s father’s employer for a time, there was at least one other klan senator,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:13 pmI wish Trump opponents like Patterico would decide whether Trump is secretly a liberal or instead is secretly a racist fascist, because it’s really really implausible that he could be both at the same time.
In 2000, Trump said: “The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. [Patrick] Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. [Lenora] Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.”
Trump has never sympathized with David Duke. On February 26, 2016 Trump said: “I didn’t even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? OK, alright. I disavow, OK?”
On February 28, 2016 Trump was asked about it by Jake Tapper, but did not explicitly denounce Duke. Maybe because of a bad earpiece, maybe because it was a NASTY, ACCUSATORY, PREJUDICED QUESTION that would never be asked of a Democrat, etc. But immediately thereafter: “‘David Duke is a bad person, who I disavowed on numerous occasions over the years,’ Trump said on MSNBC’s ‘Morning Joe.’ ‘I disavowed him. I disavowed the KKK,’ Trump added. ‘Do you want me to do it again for the 12th time? I disavowed him in the past, I disavow him now.'”
Patterico, what can I say? Your nasty blog posts about Trump are like catnip for Clinton fans. Trump is the lesser evil here, and so I very much hope he wins. You aren’t making it easy!
Andrew (c35f78) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:23 pmI’m disappointed that you would say something that stupid, Andrew. Just because Trump tells a lie, no matter how bad it is, you are going to fall for it because you hate Hillary that much? This is a perfect example of how Trump corrupts. DONALD TRUMP HEARD THE NAME DAVID DUKE BECAUSE HE REPEATED IT. He said he never heard of David Duke. He was lying. He resigned from the Reform Party claiming it was because of David Duke.
It doesn’t matter how perfectly obvious it is that he is lying. You’ll still defend it. Sad!
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:27 pm“I don’t know anything about David Duke”
Nothing to do with an earpiece.
You are willfully being a CHUMP SUCKA
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:29 pmFBI finds emails related to Hillary Clinton’s State tenure .
Smoking gun on Weiner’s laptop.
Uh oh.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:31 pmPatterico, nice splicing of my sentence, but people can go back and read what I wrote, and can read that I offered a different explanation besides a bad earpiece. And your “proof” merely proves that the earpiece was not totally dead, it does not prove that it was functioning well. Sad!
Andrew (c35f78) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:31 pmYes. You offered two possibilities. One of them is obviously and laughably false, but you fell for it.
It’s like saying: Obama wasn’t so bad because 1) he said he didn’t double the deficit, and 2) x.
It doesn’t matter what x is. It doesn’t matter that you offered two reasons and one of them was x. You also offered one that was TOTALLY FACTUALLY FALSE and shows you to be a shill and sucker.
And, as for the fact that I have not proved his earpiece was not defective: SO WHAT? The ONLY relevance of whether the earpiece was working is whether he realized he was talking about David Duke. And HE SAID DAVID DUKE’S NAME, so obviously he did realize that.
This is pathetic and you’re just making yourself look worse and worse. Please, stop, for your own sake.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:39 pmwhat does it matter,
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/01/sir-david-attenborough-shoot-donald-trump-let-experts-decide-brexit/
it’s not like someone didn’t take,… wait they did,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:43 pmSorry, “lol,” are you a David Duke fan? Have I offended your love of the KKK?
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:43 pmThe world is on fire.
Yet we’ve got some angry “conservatives” who during the primaries were completely animated about ISIS, and Syria, and Libya, and Russia, and Iran, and China, yet now they’re like, “Oh, this election isn’t really all that important. If the Democrat wins, we can survive it!”
Yeah, we’ll remember that next time they’re sounding a five alarm fire about this federal appellate court decision or that federal appellate court decision.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:43 pmSo what? The Trumpers here defend Duke, Hillary and other Dems defended Byrd; each side has its fanatics. Tu quoque doesn’t keep Trump from being a menace.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:45 pmhas he written about it, or is that only about things prompted from media matters or correct the record,
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/794329908289961984
narciso (d1f714) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:46 pmI just think it’s lovely to see David Duke and his hate on such fine public display, with Trump having pointedly refused to denounce him, lying about it, and then getting defended on his lie by a bunch of people who will rationalize literally anything.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:48 pmDo. Not. Care.
Totally unclear.
Now that part is clear, right down to the dishonest shilling.
Maybe I didn’t make this part clear.
I. Don’t. Care.
Trump supporters? I am NOT on your side.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:50 pmAnd, not that there are any hardly any Hillary supporters here, but if there are any: I am not on your side either.
But to both sides: I get why you hate the opponent. Believe me, I do. Oh, I do. I get it. I really do. I really, really do. So true.
Patterico (115b1f) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:52 pmPatterico, he disavowed Duke’s endorsement the day before. And he disavowed Duke again in the days afterward.
I never said the earpiece wasn’t working 100% well, only that it “maybe” wasn’t. Even if it was working 100% well, Trump had good reason for not repeating over and over again that he disavows Duke (i.e. Trump never associated in any way with Duke and so shouldn’t have to disavow). You say it was some kind of “dog whistle” but that makes no sense to me given what he said the day before (which you have apparently decided to COMPLETELY IGNORE). So sad!
Andrew (c35f78) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:53 pmWell here’s something you probably didn’t expect.
Lot of campaign commercials here for down ballot congressional seats feature crazy ol Trump claiming there is no drought in California. That the drought designation is just another regulatory tool in the democrats quiver.
THe news services for their part have for the most part hewed to the party line. If we have a rain day in Sacramento they’ll tell us how much with the caviat that it’s nice and all but don’t expect it to make a dent in the drought any time soon, that this catastrophe will drag on for years of heavy rain.
Well we had a record rainfall total for the month of October. Pretty much everywhere North of the grapevine and East of the Colorado River are officially out of the drought according to channel 13 news as of today.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:55 pmright it’s not like the press is an impartial arbiter, during the impeachment proceeding, tapper’s publication salon pushed the avow, dissavow against lott, barr, et al, the former turned out to be feckless,
https://twitter.com/_Makada_/status/794344707421851648
so why do the facts not percolate upwards, because they are so hard to understand,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/3/2016 @ 9:59 pmDavid Duke is a total scumbag.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:03 pmThe only people who embrace him are the Jew-hating, anti-Israel nutjobs.
And they generally find refuge under the Team Democrat tent.
now we’ll have to change plans,
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/11/our-demands-when-trump-invades-canada.html
sounds to much like that mouth of flint river’s attempt at a comedy, canadian bacon,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:05 pmSupporting Trump = Defending Duke is a false equivalency.
Voting for Trump is not an endorsement of his flaws.
Its a judgment that whatever personal flaws he has as a human being are outweighed by the flaws seen with regard to the manner in which his opponent had signaled she will govern if elected.
Trump was not among my top 4 choices in the primary, although he was at the top of the list for my white, college educated, professional wife/mother of 5.
But I know from time inside that the government functions about 99% based on the tens of thousands of decisions made every day by those who control the levers of the government at the operational level, and not a great deal depends on decisions that get made in the Oval Office.
Clinton has an orbit of about 10,000 sycophants all anxious to get their hands on the levers to execute her mandate with ruthless efficiency.
The one comfort I feel from a potential Trump presidency is that he might have 40 people in his circle of advisers who might want jobs in a Trump Administration. The vast vast majority of persons who staff a Trump led bureaucracy, and operate the levers of government, are going to come out of the same GOP that staffed the administrations of the last 3 Republican Presidents.
I think Trump is fundamentally uninterested in the “wonkish” aspects of being President, and will ultimately be a titular figurehead atop the Executive Branch.
Hillary Clinton will be EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. Its the position she has aspired to for 40 years, and she’ll have only 4 years to do all that she has planned.
Railing against Trump only brings that 4 year national nightmare closer to reality.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:12 pmfewer than you would think, richard burt, is kind of long in the tooth, at this point, so is john bolton,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:19 pmEric Trump was wrong. David Duke doesn’t deserve a bullet. David Duke deserves an appliance – an electric chair.
NickM (d6362a) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:22 pmIf project veritas or some equivalent were to investigate it wouldn’t surprise if David Duke were on permanent retainer with the DNC, in a covert manner.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:41 pmI’m probably not white enough to be a cuckservative, but I can’t say I really understand Trumpkins well enough to care. What I do understand is that I get one vote and I’m going to use it.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:49 pmSure. KKK’s historical roots are with the democrats and it’s not really that long ago.
What I don’t understand is how you can make that leap, but you can’t see Trump for what he is and what he’s doing, given that he’s the best presidential candidate imaginable from his opponent’s point of view, and even met with his opponent before running, and even donated endorsed and voted for his opponent. this is not that complicated.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:51 pmFor most Trump voters, all they are saying is how much they don’t want Hillary to be president. This is easy to understand for those of good faith, even folks like me who aren’t on the same page. What’s amusing is how Trump’s fans can’t see that a vote for Hillary is the same exact thing. A vote for Hillary is not an endorsement of Benghazi or the email scandal. It’s saying America is better than a sexual deviant who adores the Tienanmen Square massacre. It could happen here, but not if I can help it!
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/3/2016 @ 10:53 pm“Advice from James Madison About the 2016 Presidential Election”
http://www.redstate.com/diary/AndrewHyman/2016/11/04/advice-james-madison-2016-presidential-election/
Andrew Hyman (c35f78) — 11/3/2016 @ 11:49 pmBut Benghazi and the email scandal are emblematic of how she’s likely to govern — not a reflection of personal character flaws.
When it comes to the office of the Presidency, what the occupant is predicted to do in office means more to me than whether the occupant has lived a model life in terms of personal morality.
One example:
Hillarycare and Obamacare are both stalking horses for the same end-game — a single payer government health care system like those in Canada and Great Britain. Both programs had as their ulterior goal the separation of health care insurance from employment. As long as health care insurance is a fringe benefit of employment, there will never be a single-payer system.
What’s the best mechanism to break that relationship?? Make it prohibitively expensive for employers to continue to provide access to health care insurance options to their employees. By requiring the coverage of preexisting conditions, the cost of health care insurance goes up dramatically. Employers faced with rising premium costs on group plans eventually drop it as a benefit, and their employees have to turn to the state run exchanges set up by Obamacare.
Now step 2 kicks in — which we are seeing now. The state run exchanges are experience huge premium increases themselves — that, and more and more companies are withdrawing plans from the state run exchanges, leaving folks who purchase there sometimes only one option to choose from. Increase premium rates and increasing deductibles are now kicking in.
Step 3 is simply a recognition on the part of the government that state run exchanges don’t work as hoped. Since the link between health insurance and employment has effectively been broken, and private health insurance is now prohibitively expensive because of the requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, the only option for 95% of the population is going to be a single payer government program operated like Medicaid. Everyone will have a card and a number. Make an appointment. The bill will come in your taxes — meaning people with jobs and incomes will pay for the health care for those without.
That will all come to pass in 4 years of a Clinton administration.
Trump, on the other hand, with a GOP Congress, will likely be able to ram through the creation of an interstate market for offering group health insurance plans — which would likely work to lower premium costs even if you had to keep the pre-existing condition coverage.
When I first started working for the government in 1992, we got a CATALOGUE in October listing dozens of insurance plans that federal workers could choose from. You had to choose a plan offered in your state because insurance was and is regulated at the state level, but every state had numerous plan offerings.
By the time I departed the government in 2013, the state I live in now had 2 plans offered — Blue Cross and Kaiser. That’s it.
There are a whole range of issues that will affect my family every day of the next administration. My vote is based on not on a choice of personalities, but rather on which group in charge of the levers of government will do less harm.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/4/2016 @ 12:47 amTrue. I mean I think they are also symbolic of her flaws, but they are how she and Trump would both govern. I say Trump too because he supported Hillary on the Benghazi issue and his idea of transparency is well illustrated by his tax returns.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 11/4/2016 @ 12:50 amShipwreckedcrew, nope. The disaster that is Obamacare can only be reversed by deregulation. The many mandates have to be reversed to lower costs on true core Healthcare insurance. Trump neither understands this nor has any interest in fighting for it. We have zero chance of reversing the trend to single payer under Trump.
SPQR (a3a747) — 11/4/2016 @ 3:08 am“Genuine hate crime”.
SMH.
Donald (bd230b) — 11/4/2016 @ 3:20 am43. In my world,you get a bullet if you murdered with a gun, a guillotine if you stabbed, and hanging if you strangled. Duke deserves some end, but what is the truly reflexive means of execution, with no literal blood on his hands.
urbanleftbehind (1662fa) — 11/4/2016 @ 3:52 amPatterico, on my browser, the Watcha Doin’ Rabbi cartoon is now on your sidebar where the Amazon graphic used to be.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:11 amMr. Trump coming on strong here at the end
everywhere you go people are saying oh dear god we can’t do that pig all up in it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:16 amI’m pretty sure Fred Phelps was. The idea that he lived (quite well) on the money he made by suing people he’d provoked into assaulting him didn’t hold much water. He had another source of income, and the DNC is the most plausible one.
Milhouse (46c432) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:27 amIt’s probably a meme that is only known in the racist community but it’s a stretch to say it “targets” blacks. One could take it small step forward and claim Patterico is targeting blacks by even considering that someone other than a white Trump supporter did the deed.
The real target of the incident was Trump and his supporters. Not Jews, not blacks.
Jcurtis (2cd0c2) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:36 amAlso, does highlighting the “Whatchadooin” meme tarnish Melissa McCarthy’s Molly TV character – was she triggering the Even More Obese Mike?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:44 amSo Obama tells black folks that Trump is pro-Klan. When will Patterico denounce Obama for being the *hole he is?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:46 amTrump fans can’t see that voting for Clinton is the same thing?
Like SWC,
I don’t see how you can believe that.
Some people vote for Clinton because they are scared of Trump,
More vote for Clinton because they find Trump crude and vulgar,
And many vote for Clinton because they like her liberal fascism stuffed down our throats and don’t care about the rule of law.
I will vote for Trump because I do value the rule of law and the Bill of Rights.
Not because Trump is such a great champion of them,
but because he is not the lethal threat.
This has gotten really, really, old.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:48 amJust vote for Hillary, bedwetting ponce.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:49 am“Watcha doin’?” was a Phineas and Ferb signature line, in every episode, for Isabella, Phineas’s romantic interest.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:50 amsnooty ruling class harvardtrash elite republicans need racism all up in it just like the pig does
mother’s milk
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:52 amAnd if one wants to make the point that we are in a terrible state to have these two people as our choice,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:52 amFine, do that,
But Trump is a symptom, not the problem.
And going on and on about him is like demanding more and more Tylenol for a headache,
When what is needed is to operate on that aneurysm.
Indeed, nk,
until Phineas used it on Isabella.
Life was simpler then.
I use it texting my daughter all of the time.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:54 amMr. mg’s still banned but the election’s on Tuesday!
it’s cause he said the wrong thing is why
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 5:59 am@Milhouse:I’m pretty sure Fred Phelps was.
Fred Phelps was a lifelong Democrat, who ran for Senate as a Democrat. He was honored in the African-American community for his legal work on behalf of civil rights and still is.
So now you have all the pieces; put it together. Fred Phelps was part of the Democratic party machine. Up until very recently the Democratic party was a coalition of ethnic minorities, progressive Leftists, trial lawyers, and unions. Phelps was a valued part of one of these constituencies. And that he provided a convenient tar brush to apply to any one running on conservative social issues was an added benefit.
I know of no Democrat called on to renounce Fred Phelps.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:20 amFrom Phelps’ Wikipedia page:
Phelps earned a law degree from Washburn University in 1964, and founded the Phelps Chartered law firm. The first notable cases were related to civil rights. “I systematically brought down the Jim Crow laws of this town,” he claimed.[19] Phelps’ daughter was quoted as saying, “We took on the Jim Crow establishment, and Kansas did not take that sitting down. They used to shoot our car windows out, screaming we were nigger lovers,” and that the Phelps law firm made up one-third of the state’s federal docket of civil rights cases.
Phelps took cases on behalf of African-American clients alleging racial discrimination by school systems, and a predominantly black American Legion post which had been raided by police, alleging racially based police abuse. Phelps’ law firm obtained settlements for some clients. Phelps also sued President Ronald Reagan over Reagan’s appointment of a U.S. ambassador to the Vatican, alleging this violated separation of church and state. The case was dismissed by the U.S. district court. Phelps’ law firm, staffed by himself and family members also represented non-white Kansans in discrimination actions against Kansas City Power and Light, Southwestern Bell, and the Topeka City Attorney, and represented two female professors alleging discrimination in Kansas universities.
In the 1980s, Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the NAACP, for his work on behalf of black clients.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:22 amFred Phelps endorsed Al Gore, in fact, in 1992.
That this is surprising to anyone is due to the media. The rank-and-file of the two parties have more in common with each other than with their elites, which in turn are more like each other. But the media is largely composed of elite Democrats, who publicly identify the party with themselves and identify Republicans with the Republican rank-and-file.
This is one reason the supposed gains of Republicans among more socially-conservative minorities never happens no matter how much Republicans pander. Socially-conservative minorities are quite comfortable where they are.
The Democrats have always been running machine politics. Once they win they do some ideology because that’s what the progressive elements want and they deliver votes. Republicans at the state and local level are probably doing machine politics too, but on the national level Republicans have been trying ideology, with poor results. Hardly anyone cares about that, as this election should have made clear to anyone not driven to distraction by Trump.
Gabriel Hanna (c791b9) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:32 amThe best thing about the Obama presidency is all the racial healing. Imagine all the sexual healing the next president will bring
crazy (d3b449) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:46 amO-kay. The Democrats have no ideology. Republicans pander when they tell people not to behave like rabbits on Spanish Fly and not to kill their own babies. Bananas are fish which adapted to life on land.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 6:59 amIn John McWhorter’s book “Losing the Race” he writes about how the overwhelming majority of arson to black churches is done by a black person. Could be real, but it is likely not.
Lyle Smith (8ad426) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:03 ami’m skeptical it’s too much like a nevertrump wet dream
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:16 amAs I and others have said repeatedly, conservatism may not survive either candidate.
This is a horrible election for people who care about conservative ideology, because of these candidates aand because it’s clear not many people actually understand or care about conservatism.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:22 am#65: No, Mr. Feet. Mg didn’t say “the wrong thing.” He insulted someone personally in an extremely vulgar fashion. Fact is, I’m pretty sure Patterico would let him continue to post his angry nonsense if he apologized.
Bet you he wouldn’t.
But I’m not surprised you are worried. I mean, you are all about the vulgar.
You weren’t always like that. You surely are now.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:27 amthe R’s have the most conservative vice presidential nominee on the ticket in decades and decades
he’s even to the right of cheney!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:29 amhe’s a good pickle even if you do your scarlet letter on his head
he’s a good pickle and there is many evidence
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:30 amYou don’t need a parachute to go skydiving. You need a parachute to go skydiving again.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:34 amprecisely
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:35 amAh, Mr. Feet. You don’t about much of anything. That’s clear.
You are just worried your potty mouth could get you banned.
But…it’s not your (nor my) website. It’s Patterico’s.
And again, my guess is all mg has to do is apologize for being a jackwagon.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:43 amGood point, nk,
Now I will be wondering how to apply it.
DRJ, I guess I think conservatism has a better chance if the nation doesn’t continue in the path it is on, which is why I am more antiClinton than antiTrump.
The powers that be will always lie about conservatism and conservatives, whether they have Trump for a whipping boy or not.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:44 amTrue about the previous “wave” of the burning of Black churches.
Reggie White’s church was arson for the insurance by a church leader and long time friend,
broke his heart.
Wife read a facebook post:
“Remember when Sarah Palin was the craziest person in politics?”
Remember when all of Palin’s emails were hacked and there was no scandal revealed?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:49 amNow everyone waits with bated breath for the next WikiLeaks dump.
i know plenty stuff I know Mr. mg’s a good pickle
i know the pig gives off a criminal evil stench-smell of rot corruption and putrefaction
i know it’s gonna be hard to grab lunch downtown today
and i know what nevertrumps are
and i know why they’re so sublimely content to do that pig all up in it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:51 amBack in 1994 the NY Times and other newspapers breathlessly reported a series of fires at black churches. The inevitable conclusion was that either some gang of racist arsonists was going around doing this, or some wider racist movement was active in all those different places. Either way, it was outrageous. I even recall an op-ed by the late A.M.Rosenthal, making the point that if this was not going on, if the fires were not being set by racists as part of a deliberate campaign against black people, why are there no white church fires?
The bubble burst for me when, some time in mid-1995, buried at the bottom of yet another of these stories, I read the following sentence: “In the past [some time] 37 black churches have burned, along with more than a score of white churches”. Curious me wondered at the precision of the first number, and the extreme imprecision of the second. It really called attention to itself rather loudly. I asked myself, “How many more than a score? Could it just possibly be 17 more? Or even 18?” And if so, Rosenthal’s question was answered. The white church fires were happening, they were just not being reported because they weren’t news. In which case why were the black ones news? And of course as various of the fires were solved, and the arsonists arrested, it transpired that none of those cases were motivated by RAHOWA or anything like it, which is at least a good indication that the same was true of the ones that remained unsolved.
Milhouse (46c432) — 11/4/2016 @ 7:58 amMD,
I hope you are right but I doubt it. So far, the only thing Trump has actually done is hurt conservatives. He wants to cut deals with liberals but destroy conservatives because he knows real conservatives won’t cut deals on things he wants to do, like expanding government and spending even more money.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:00 am“IT’S COME TO THIS: DC Attorney: FBI Agents Working To Expose Top DOJ Officials. “DiGenova, who has bureau sources close to the FBI investigation, named Attorney General Loretta Lynch, Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, Assistant Attorney General Peter Kaznick, Assistant Attorney General John P. Carlin, and Assistant Attorney General Leslie Caldwell as senior level staff at DOJ have who have ‘done something that they are going to regret.’”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/248280/
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:02 amFor some, Ideological Tribalism is like catnip is to cats.
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:04 amhttps://pjmedia.com/blog/nevertrumpers-moral-laziness/
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:05 amso so lazy
don’t even wanna get up to poop
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:09 amSo, Mr. Feet: are you saying all this about Patterico? Do speak up.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:24 amlol you an instigator mister
i got you number
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:26 amshipwreckedcrew,
any comment on the ink above, which leads to this
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/03/dc-attorney-fbi-agents-working-to-expose-top-doj-officials/
I have been praying for God to exalt the humble, and humble the proud
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:30 amwhich He will do whether I pray for it or not,
as it is His nature
the timing is also His,
but I did put in my request for it to be sooner than later in regards to the people in DC
Oh no, Mr. Feet. Not at all.
I dislike poseurs who don’t care enough to vote, but try to shame others into voting.
That would be you. Endlessly. Repeatedly.
I dislike rude and vulgar people. And just as you have a right to be rude and vulgar, I have a right to call you out on it. Most people just ignore it. But I think you diminish (and this is the key) someone else’s web presence, for which they pay.
I could be wrong. But if I am wrong, no harm done. If I am right, you are damaging the things you claim to care about. But you don’t really care about these things anymore. You are like the folks at poker games who kibbitz other players who actually, well, ante in. You just want to shoot your mouth off and amuse yourself.
But most of all, when you insult people in your childishly vulgar fashion, and those insults apply to your host, I want you to own it. 100%.
No clown nose on, clown nose off dishonesty.
I don’t mind similar comments from people who vote. They have skin in the game.
You just mouth off.
And—as I have said repeatedly—the shame is that you used to bring value.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:33 amI had a friend Milhouse, who was an arson consultant and worked for many metropolitan areas as well as the feds. Shortly after the “black church fires” died down we were out to dinner and he told me he had worked on the case and we won’t be hearing anything about it any more. When I asked why he said: “Turns out it wasn’t anti-black racists. It was anti-Christian bigots so it’s not important to the news media”.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:34 amOpen borders Hillary wants a Pan America unistate so she doesn’t have to spend money on border guards or national security.
With another 650 million she can absorb an occasional jihad terrorist attack. After all it would be us dying, not her.
And iffen the muzzies kick up enough of a ruckus she can use that as pretext for an Erdogon style purge of political enemies.
Conservative will just be a rallying cry for her lynch mobs.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:36 ami dislike it when you can taste too much cacao in your grasshopper then it just becomes a minty chocotini
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:37 amI am not a moral coward, Haiku. It takes guts to stand up to people like Trump and his followers — people who believe there is virtue in getting even with those who oppose them, instead of trying to understand and address our concerns.
I care about my children and grandchildren just like you do. Linking articles that say I am an uncaring coward who doesn’t care about my children and grandchildren because I dislike Trump is contemptible. And that’s the nicest thing I can call it.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:39 amHer Loretta lynch mobs.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:40 amthat was a good article
i liked it
i think conservatism will be a lot happy with Mr. Trump cause of a lot of issues about checks and balances and the proper role of government will be foregrounded
this won’t happen if we do the pig all up in it
the pig’ll marginalize snooty too good for america conservatives hard and pignaciously and it’ll be so easy (bean and cheese burritos easy)
they’ve already taken their little ball and gone home
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:42 amisn’t is already that way with Hillary’s lot? They are taught from a wee little age that conservatives equal confederacy. That the KKK is a right wing vigilante group populated by off duty police.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:51 amThey want you to validate them, DRJ. Like the gays who want bakers to bake them a cake. To affirm that what they’re doing is the right thing. To tell them that they’re not the cowards because a 70-year old woman has them so wobbly in the knees that they’re clinging to a New York snake oil salesman to keep from falling down.
nk (dbc370) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:52 am11. Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 11/3/2016 @ 8:54 pm
Then there’s this one: (which I first read about in a newspaper article which claimed a pro-Donald Trump group was responsible)
http://fortune.com/2016/11/03/text-vote-hillary-clinton/#.
An ad on Twitter, which now you have got pro-Hillary people complaining about.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/2/13500650/trump-fake-voting-ads
But it was probably done by the Clinton campaign. It says it is paid for by Hillary for President 2016, and that might be completely accurate!
It tells people they can avoid lines by voting by text. And to do so, text “Hillary” to 59925.
Now right there, it is peculiar: Has anyone heard of voting this way before? Where’s the sign in? Where’s the connection between the person and the phone? Where is the rest of the ballot?
But they make doubly sure that this can’t fool anyone:
From the Fortune Magaine article:
The ad, o
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:55 amcakes are a sometimes food
but the pig’ll be all up in it every hour of every day
oh dear god the smell
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 8:58 amSentencing for Bridget Anne Kelly and Bill Baroni, former allies of NJ Gov. Chris Christie both convicted in bridge-closing scheme in NJ, scheduled for Feb. 21 – AP
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/livecoverage/breaking-news-now/lc-BBufazJ?ocid=spartanntp
Sounds kind of like the purge already started.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:01 amMilitia Gets Battle Ready for a ‘Gun-Grabbing’ Clinton Presidency
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-militia-gets-battle-ready-for-a-%e2%80%98gun-grabbing%e2%80%99-clinton-presidency/ar-AAjSSa0?ocid=spartanntp
Front page of the New York Times today.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:06 amI gave the wrong link, or omited a link, in the previous message. The one I wanted to use was:
http://bgr.com/2016/11/02/election-2016-how-to-vote-text-scam/
That’s from bgr. That’s the one that has the quote from New York magazine that tells, you that when you try, you get a message telling you it wasn’t approved by iVisionMobile OR Hillary for America in any way (the ad says “Hillary for President 2016” which maybe isn’t officially the campaign) and offers the real number to get text updates from the Clinton campaign.
Of course you could say, well, maybe, the fake ad people just used a dormant real Clinton-friendly campaign text message number, aybe in previous ads. The tracks are probably really well covered.
There are said to be three different ads. One shows a picture of Hilary, one of Michelle Obama, and another is in Spanish.
The Twitter handles circulating them have pro-Trump names.
Sammy Finkelman (6d2ca9) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:08 amThe permanent recession will be disguised as a rough patch for restaurant owners.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-restaurant-recession-has-arrived/ar-AAjSQ4A?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:09 amDRJ,
In what way has Trump hurt conservatism? A con artist tapping into a rather shallow pond of innumeracy, credulity and gullibility among a thin plurality in order to lose an election against the worst Democrat candidate since Dukakis is not going to have a lasting negative impact. His moronic candidacy does reveal a structural weakness in the nomination process but nothing which cannot be rectified.
Watch the down ticket results, remembering the 1,000 Democrat seats which Obama’s “victory” has cost over eight years. The Democrats will get some back but Clinton’s unpopularity is going to minimize GOP losses.
It’s not as if the game is ever over.
Rick Ballard (bca473) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:13 amnk,
I know you are right but it still hurts to see people on “my side” link these contemptible opinions, especially here. At least I can still read Patterico at Red State. The one good thing about Trump is that he gave Patterico another forum for his opinions.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:15 amthat’s a lil precious and snowflakey i think me personally
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:17 amwhen i need a safe place i go to disney whirl
it’s the most magical place on erf
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:19 amRick,
In brief, Trump believes in exploiting cultural and racial grievances, not in conservative ideology. What Trump champions is the opposite of conservatism, which is why he can co-exist with liberals but has to destroy conservative ideology and its leaders.
Ben Howe and Clare Malone at 538 address it, too.
DRJ (15874d) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:22 amIt’s interesting, DRJ and nk….
I think that the big problem with the Left is its insularity, so that folks who disagree with them must become stupid and evil (because folks on the Left think they are themselves smart and good). So the folks stay in their own bubbles, and refuse to think of things from other points of view. So opponents become truly evil, and thus anything at all that gets done to them is deserved.
Folks on the Right are beginning to do it, too.
You are right, DRJ, that it makes me sad to hear someone say that if I vote differently than they do (if they vote, that is), I am somehow “treasonous.” Even if I refuse to vote for either of the two dumpster fire candidates.
And the insults and vulgarities begin. The best anyone can say is that other people do it too.
Childish.
Vote however you wish. I will agree or disagree as I please. But vote.
But all the “stupid” and “evil” nonsense has to stop.
Reason magazine has a list of elections where people claimed it was “the most important election of my lifetime.” Guess what? That was each of them.
It will over soon. Democrats have to accept that they allowed a bribe pocketing liar as the “best” their party could produce. Republicans have to accept that they allowed an apolitical snake oil salesman with self-control issues to run as their best.
It’s pretty awful.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:23 amAnd Mr. Feet? Keep on acting rude. It really only proves DRJ’s point.
Also, do you want to call nk names because of his voting choices? I’m waiting for that one.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:24 amHaiku, like DRJ, I find that horse manure arguments like yours strengthen my resolve to remain apart from the Trumpkins.
And make it more difficult to restrain myself from further expressing my contempt.
SPQR (a3a747) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:26 amIn what way has a Hillary and pelosi and Reid and planned parenthood donor who had a strip club deal with a human trafficker and praised communist dictators harmed conservatism, Rick Ballard asked.
Dustin (093ea6) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:27 amoh my goodness i have to get ready to go into the office
i worked at home this morning for to avoid the cubs rabble
i hope they don’t linger into evening cause of my friend k’s coming in from Dallas and we wanna hit a few places
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:28 amDRJ is on point. I think there is a lot of ignorance about conservatism. It’s not just yelling on the radio. The eye rolling at classical liberal equality before the law and a reduction in the show off government has split there party utterly.
Dustin (093ea6) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:30 amFor me, SPQR, I did the following:
I did that for both HRC and DJT after the conventions.
It’s going to be different for everyone. But everyone has to have some kind of internal compass.
I think that folks need to possess internal consistency, or we are just tools of the system.
Honestly, I don’t see how Clinton doesn’t get impeached for her nonsense, and Lord God knows that Trump would screw something up enough to get in trouble.
I wish both DJT and HRC would just vanish, personally.
But we get the candidates our bumper sticker sloganeering culture wanted.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:30 amThis is why I don’t comment from my phone! I meant ‘scope of government’ rather than ‘show off’. My phone makes s good point though!
Dustin (093ea6) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:31 amTHe Washington Post says early voting isn’t swayed by late revelations.
Clinton has the edge despite Trump being slightly favored on dealing with corruption.
What?
They describe Clinton as slightly less favored on dealing with corruption, instead of reporting that the FBI found Clinton State Department work related Emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop.
papertiger (c8116c) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:36 amShouldn’t those deleted emails have been cookie recipes, wedding plans, and yoga routines?
Why yes they should have been.
Since they’re not Clinton has been obstructing Justice. Serving overseas masters who filled the coffers of her foundation, instead of America.
I missed that you were personally named in that post, DRJ. If what’s stated therein does not reflect your intentions or state of mind, that is a good thing. I take no offense at being characterized as a “Trumper” or the derivative “Trumpkin”, because I know that this vote I’m preparing to cast on Tuesday is my last ditch effort try to stem the dismal tide of the expansion of the State. We will all reap what we sow. Trump provides a chance, however slim, of positive action. I’ll have no hand – direct or not – in helping Clinton get elected.
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:46 amMay your ride on that “wish-horse” facilitate your wildest dreams, SPQR.
Colonel Haiku (ede614) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:50 amgiddy up!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 11/4/2016 @ 9:55 amSimon,
I think you underestimate the corruption of the Democratic party and the majority of the media, and the fecklessness, if not corruption, of the repubs.
The only way Clinton would ever be impeached (indeed, I doubt if she would ever be impeached, let alone convicted) is if somebody else in the demo-socio-left hierarchy figured out a way it would be to the left’s advantage (or their own personal advantage, ala Stalin and Lenin and Trotsky).
Obama has gone around the Constitution and gave money and a bad pseudotreaty to the leading exporter of terrorism who has vowed to destroy Israel,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:12 amtolerated the breaking of security and its cover-up by the SoS,
not to mention IRS, Fast and Furious, etc.
And the Dems and media don’t care,
and the Repubs don’t care enough as a group to do anything about it.
As some wise fellow once suggested, I’m going to withhold judgment until the facts are know.
ThOR (c9324e) — 11/4/2016 @ 10:26 amyes yes that is indeed wise
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/4/2016 @ 12:30 pmHillary would never be impeached. The sh-tstorm the media would unleash would be order of magnitudes stronger than what was unleashed to protect Bill Clinton.
Party of Stupid never wins these showdowns, they are too afraid of the media.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 11/4/2016 @ 1:46 pmMD at 91 re link to DeGenova comments yesterday.
The agents who are doing the grumbling are the “field agents” — the guys going out and doing the interviews, running down records, looking up public information on the internet, etc. If there are “obstacles” put in front of them, the only person they know from first hand information who is involved in doing so is there immediate supervisor. That’s where the message is going to come from, such as the “Stand Down” order that was alleged to have been given.
Now that rings true to me because in my 20+ years of experience working with the Bureau, that is the exact phrase that is used by an agent when he says that he’s been instructed to pull out of an investigation.
But the field agent isn’t going to really know at what level in his chain of command that order originated. The supervisor giving it to him is only a messenger.
I think DeGenova’s comments are a bit overwrought in terms of what the field agents really know with regard to who they can “blow the whistle on”. Sally Yates is the Deputy AG. I suspect no one even knew who Peter Kadzik was until his name showed up in the news a few days ago because of his correspondence to Congress and his long-time friendship with Podesta.
John Carlin is a very different issue. There are very unusual circumstances regarding Carlin in my view, which I can share later in a different post.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/4/2016 @ 2:01 pmif these fbi poopers gonna redeem themselves the clock is ticking
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/4/2016 @ 2:05 pmEven if she were impeached, there would never be enough Dems voting to convict her, so she wouldn’t be removed from office. Every Sunday news/talk show would be about Hillary the Martyr.
In a way, I don’t blame them. Most people are pretty easily swayed by what they see on television. Go out and talk to people who get their news from Jon Stewart or Samantha Bee. Doesn’t excuse their lack of courage, but when your livelihood depends on the whims of a bunch of people who don’t think past the end of The Daily Show, it’s understandable.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 11/4/2016 @ 2:06 pmThank you, SWC.
For us Joe citizen types it is hard to know what is reality and what is dramatization.
Are there people higher than field agents who know enough to put the AG and others in trouble? Would they dare do it for fear of harm to themselves and family?
I hope and pray that there are a few honest and brave souls out there who can spill whatever there is to spill.
Then again, would enough people in the media and public care to make it worthwhile?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 11/4/2016 @ 2:14 pmyes yes all we can do now is pray for Mr. Trump
please please god don’t do that pig on us
happyfeet (a037ad) — 11/4/2016 @ 2:16 pmwhen there is so much power and money on the line, recall the inquest into the foundation, re the rich case was closed in 2005, probably with imput from comey himself,
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 2:22 pmabout ben howe, would that his principles alway ring true,
https://twitter.com/thorhalvorssen/status/309094630660648961
and there’s the lesson of how he dealt with the huntress around that time,
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 3:37 pmMD — here are some points of interest about the Bureau and how it works.
FBI agents are eligible to retire when they reach age 50 IF they have 25 years of service. If they lack 25 years of service at age 50, then they are eligible to retire when they reach that service number.
So, if an agent is over 50 and has 25 years experience, they are pretty much “bullet proof” when it comes to speaking out. And there is a robust job market for retired agents still in their 50s. They are highly sought after by all kinds of enterprises that have security issues given that they are older and more stable than a bunch of 30 year old ex-military trigger-pullers who are in the same job market.
BUT, one thing that is not well understood is that there is no “partial” pension for FBI agents. There is not “vesting” of some fractional pension amount that happens at service/age points along the way to 50. Once you have 25 and 50, you have a pension. You get fired one day short of either one, and you get nothing.
And there is a culture in the Bureau where management personnel do scape goat and go after malcontent agents. All offices undergo periodic “inspections” by headquarters personnel. These events usually go on over two weeks, and the operations of the office are scrutinized in great detail. But its usually obvious in the first day or two if the inspectors are there “head-hunting” — in other words, they arrived with a list of names already written down of particular agents and office supervisors who are going to have a rough week. There are many ways to get on such a list, and being an outspoken malcontent is one way.
FBI HQ has personnel at all levels of experience — from brand new agents all the way to people with 30 years experience. So its hard to know who could be in a position to talk, and how protected they would be from the blowback. I have read reports in the media, and I have a second hand reason to think they are true, that Comey received as many as 8 letters of resignation from senior level officials (20+ years experience likely) in the aftermath of his July decision and announcement. Only a couple of people who might have been amount those names have left to my knowledge, and I don’t know who might have tendered their retirement notice but have not yet left.
So, the threat to go public could come from any of these people who are currently on the fence about staying or going. I think the recent developments have probably put some of those retirements on hold.
The period between being age 50 and 57 is where agents are really emboldened. They are veterans and experienced, and not shocked by much. They also feel invincible inside the Bureau. 50 is retirement eligible, and 57 is mandatory retirement (subject to three one-year waivers if approved).
So, there are certainly senior officials high up in the Bureau that would have the information, and would be in a position to simply punch out and say what they know.
We’ll see.
shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 11/4/2016 @ 4:32 pmso maybe this has something to do with the threats against ny, among other places,
https://news.siteintelgroup.com/Jihadist-News/aqap-official-ex-gitmo-detainee-calls-is-fighters-to-repent-threatens-america.html
narciso (d1f714) — 11/4/2016 @ 4:37 pm