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10/22/2016

Ayotte Set to Lose Senate Race for Saying Donald Trump is a Good Role Model

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:00 am



Steve Berman at The Resurgent has dire news about the Senate race in New Hampshire — and I don’t want to say it’s all Donald Trump’s fault . . . but it’s all Donald Trump’s fault:

[Democrat challenger and sitting Governor Maggie] Hassan is now up between 1 and 7 points in the last two polls. FiveThirtyEight gives Hassan a 65.8 percent chance of winning what should have been a safe senate seat from a popular Republican.

As New Hampshire goes, so goes the nation. If the highly elastic presidential polling has moved the down ballot race in the Granite State, imagine what it’s doing in other key senate races that are more positively correlated to the top of the ticket.

The highest probability event based on FiveThirtyEight’s model is that Democrats take control 51 to 49.

And what is Gov. Hassan’s strategy? Running this ad, which is airing all over the state:

All you have to do, as this video effectively does, is take Sen. Ayotte’s claim that she would “absolutely” see Donald Trump as a role model, and contrast that with his own piggish statements over the years. Voila! A seat the GOP should keep is in severe jeopardy.

Donald Trump is the greatest gift the GOP could give the Democrats. We told you this. We told you, over and over. Some of you didn’t listen — and your “reward” may well be worse than losing the presidency.

If you’re a fervent Trump supporter, please: go into a closet and don’t come out again until never.

This ends the public service announcement.

Thanks to DRJ.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

190 Responses to “Ayotte Set to Lose Senate Race for Saying Donald Trump is a Good Role Model”

  1. Don’t worry, Patterico. You will get a comment section filled with people exclaiming Ayotte isn’t a real conservative.

    You know, like Trump.

    Then the nasty name calling will begin. As usual.

    Notice, in the post about French, folks aren’t really saying what happened was unacceptable?

    Makes me think.

    Simon Jester (c63397)

  2. Hillary Clinton is the greatest gift to the GOP, because she was an accomplice to her husband’s decades of rape and sexual assault, and she committed a series of treasonous and felonious acts compromising national security while Secretary of State.

    What say, MSM (including now Paterrico)? It’s all Trump’s fault? Okaaaay!!!

    ProLifer (ea6c4f)

  3. I’m in Boston this week, and keep seeing that ad, and others, both for Ayotte and for Hassan. (There are more NH ads on the Boston stations than Massachusetts ads.)

    Let’s just say Ayotte has a few good ads out for her, and a couple against her. But Hassan is not relying only on the Trump connection, and in any case this particular race is far from over.

    Kishnevi (5c0d46)

  4. Good lord!
    Your hate for Trump has you jumping the shark. You’ll believe anything anybody says if it reflects badly against Trump.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  5. Hmmm,
    Nobody is holding a gun to any GOP candidate’s head and telling them to say how wonderful Trump is or else.
    People have freedom to try to run away from Trump, tie their wagon onto his,
    or simply say he is not their preferred choice of candidate but is better than Clinton and explain why.

    I have never, ever said that Trump was even an OK candidate, let alone any kind of role model.
    Anyone who claimed Trump to be a good candidate has their own political instinct and reasoning to blame.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  6. It would be a thing if Kelly Ayotte actually supported Donald Trump.

    She was scheduled to speak at the RNC, then ditched.

    How did she get elected the first time? Promise free methadone?

    Ah in her wiki it says this isn’t the first time Ayotte has chosen sanctimony in order to advance her career over falsely accused fellow Republicans.

    She’s in the fox hole with you up til the bullets start flying, then it’s like “where did she go” if you’re lucky, a stab in the back if you’re not.

    papertiger (021e95)

  7. Yeah I’m talking shyte about you New Hampshire. Pull the needle out your arm and deal with it.

    papertiger (021e95)

  8. That rino never should have been elected. Along with the rest of the republicans that will be flushed.
    Some of us are tired of 20 plus years of legal phrases from the elite republican hacks. These republicans are not worth spit.
    They had no balls to back Cruz, so they tied him up in knots and shazam we get the donald. Calling God.

    mg (31009b)

  9. Ayotte was always going to lose this race. She was corrupt as the DA, and as soon as she got to Washington she started stabbing us in the back on immigration and every other important issue. Her losing is a good thing, in 2022 we will get a much better Senator out of it.

    StarkChoice (45e938)

  10. Paper, if it were that simple to just pull out the needle and say no, wouldn’t Trump and that dime store Arpaio down east in lobsterland lose major raison d’etre?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  11. She stuck her neck out for the likes of Trump and Trumpkin votes? If nothing else, she violated the only rule of sycophancy: Know what to kiss, and when.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. rip Junko Tabei first lady to climb Everest.

    mg (31009b)

  13. @ mg, #8:

    That rino never should have been elected. Along with the rest of the republicans that will be flushed.

    “That RINO,” and people like her, are the only reason the GOP has control of the Senate right now. A moderate Republican is the best you’ll ever get out of New England…and Ayotte is an actual moderate, unlike the progressive-in-sheep’s-clothing that is running for president right now. I’d much rather her than Maggie Hassan. But hey, we’ve already given up the presidency in a year we should have won, so I guess it doesn’t bother you to cede the Senate too. Funny how so many here never have a problem with purity when Trump is involved…only when Republicans are involved.

    @ StarkChoice, #9:

    Ayotte was always going to lose this race…

    Now that’s just a flat-out lie. She’s been leading for the past month-plus, after having led for most of the campaign.

    @ nk, #11:

    She stuck her neck out for the likes of Trump and Trumpkin votes? If nothing else, she violated the only rule of sycophancy: Know what to kiss, and when.

    Absolutely right. Kiss someone’s [deleted], and the odds are good that you’ll wind up with a mouthful of [deleted] for your trouble.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  14. She said this in a debate to a question from a reporter who knew what was coming. Yet another Republican betrayed by King Turd.

    She should run a humble mea culpa ad, saying that she tried to support her party’s nominee despite her reservations, and the man proved to be a far bigger asshole than she had imagined. If she knew then what she knows now, she would not think him a role model for anything, and Republicans should write in McMullin.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  15. @ Kevin M, #14:

    To be honest, I don’t think that will help her now. There are still Trump supporters in New Hampshire, and if she wins back the votes she lost but loses them in the process, Hassan still winds up victorious. Far better to have simply deflected the question to how bad a role model Hillary Clinton is…Mike Pence showed everyone the way.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  16. This, like the rest of this act of party suicide, is brought to us by the know-nothings and fringe-crazies who couldn’t let the plan play out. Instead of having a GOP President, Senate, House, Supreme COurt and enough state legislatures to ratify amendments, they had to to on a hissy fit.

    I hope that the Trumpies know the level of anger they are going to face from the party after this is over. It’s gonna be AWESOME.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  17. mg is a fringe crazy person. He is to the right of John G Schmitz (who was, for a summer quarter, a classmate of mine). What he thinks about things comes from WAYYYYYYY out on the ledge.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  18. I hope that the Trumpies know the level of anger they are going to face from the party after this is over. It’s gonna be AWESOME.

    I know some leftists personally who don’t sound as happy about the end of the GOP as you do, Kevin M. Try and control your jubilation. BTW, there is gonna be plenty of blame for the neverTrumpers too. You can’t spend six months telling anyone who’ll listen including moderates and undecided not to vote Trump and when the ballot goes in the sh!tter tip toe away scot free.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  19. Some of us are tired of 20 plus years of legal phrases from the elite republican hacks

    Translation: “Some of us couldn’t wait for the plan those pointy-headed strategists had going, never mind it was one election from DONE. We decided to kick the table over while we were WINNING! Who would expect THAT! Why be rational when you can be cunning!”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  20. Kevin M,

    You might as well holler at a fence post. The level of credulity and gullibility evidenced by Trumpers (matched only by a level of innumeracy which makes wearing loafers mandatory in handling numbers between 10 and their maximum limit of 20) will result in complete deafness to everything except that which does not excuse them from all responsibility. Clinton really should send hand written thank you notes to all of them but even if she did she would have to have them delivered by a messenger capable of explaining the import of the note in very short words.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  21. Hoagie–

    The party died the day it nominated Trump. They knew the convention should have taken control, that the choice of Trump was a disaster, but they let it play out hoping things would get better, thinking that otherwise they’d break the party.

    Well, now it is broken much worse. You have a candidate whose surrogates are actively telling Trump not to vote for GOP candidates down-ballot. You have a party structure that hates the candidate, and all his protectors have ruined careers.

    Donald Trump could not have done more to harm the GOP, and the nation, if he’d tried. AND EVERY LAST REPUBLICAN WHO WENT ALONG IS COMPLICIT.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  22. …telling Trump VOTERS….

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  23. It may be good to remember,
    probably too late at this stage,
    that the Alinsky patron spirit is know for slander, lying, and causing discord.

    I think it is easy to see what happened to the GOP,
    too many people wanted what was good for their own prestige and power,
    and didn’t care about what was just and true,
    so everyone scattered for what they thought was in the best interest of their own sorry hind-ends.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  24. When this is over, there will be two parties. One with people who steadfastly refused to go fascist, and the other with the fascists. I don’t know which of them will be called “Republican.” Possbibly neither.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  25. I simply repeat my view,
    Trump did not destroy the GOP,
    It destroyed itself trying to maintain their own power bases.
    They decided that they would rather have Trump,
    or even Clinton,
    rather than Cruz.

    Trump may have been the mechanism,
    but he was not the ultimate cause,
    Imo

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  26. I think it is easy to see what happened to the GOP,
    too many people wanted what was good for their own prestige and power,
    and didn’t care about what was just and true,
    so everyone scattered for what they thought was in the best interest of their own sorry hind-ends.

    Yes. Particularly the many candidates who did not see that Trump was such a danger, and thought they would use him to further their ends.

    Idiocies:

    * Carson. I’d vote for Chauncy Gardiner first.
    * The entire Bush campaign. His superpower was boredom.
    * The entire Kasich campaign. A Democrat.
    * Cruz vs Rubio. How many times did they go into who voted for what amendment to what doomed bill? Please! They should have destroyed Trump first. Or Kasich or Bush.
    * The huge debates. The top three in the polls should debate 3 others chosen at random. The rest stay home.
    * The moderators. GOP debates should have GOP-based moderators. Why is this so hard?
    * Open primaries with winner-takes-most leveraged outcomes.

    It wasn’t just Trump, but if Trump had stayed home, the GOP would be winning this election in a landslide rather than wondering how to survive. Those of us that called Trump a Bill Clinton plant still ask “How would this have gone differently if he was?”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  27. New Hampshire was the first state Trump won, and he won it emphatically. NH Republican primary voters who supported Trump need to reflect on their very imprudent decision. To be this out of touch with their own state’s general electorate is seriously worrying because of NH’s strategic importance in primary elections (unlike, say, NY, MA, RI, CT, etc).

    Mike P. (6063d8)

  28. MD in Philly,

    Swapping out people without first correcting the structural defects in the Presidential nomination process just invites a different set of would-be oligarchs to begin their maneuvers. Correcting the structural defects first is much more important than punishing the current incompetents. They need to be pushed aside and the reformation of the process needs to be accomplished by state chairs rather than the central committee mafia.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  29. Rick,
    I just think that the structural defects are there because those who have a say in it want them there.

    I know little about business,
    but I know some people say that a business is always successful at what it is trying to do.
    meaning that if it is a failing restaurant, for example, it is because they are not doing what is necessary to have a successful one, so they need to ask themselves why are they content to be doing something that leads to failure.
    I imagine at best that is a point to remember, with many exceptions where there was a confluence of factors against them.

    Yew, there are structural features that will inhibit the good no matter who the players are,
    but the players are also the ones maintaining the structure.

    I have had about enough of all of this, and will probably make a last post for the foreseeable future later tonight or tomorrow.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  30. “there is gonna be plenty of blame for the neverTrumpers too. You can’t spend six months telling anyone who’ll listen including moderates and undecided not to vote Trump and when the ballot goes in the sh!tter tip toe away scot free.”

    True dat.

    I’ve unashamedly been for Trump since the first time he said “wall”, and to this day sincerely believe he is the man America needs at this time to disrupt the uniparty establishment machine that has become so entrenched, corrupt, and tyrannical it no longer cares in the least for the common citizen.

    Trump was selected fairly in the primaries receiving more votes than any republican before him. NeverTrumpers will never admit they have worked for Hillary, but there is no denying they have worked tirelessly to defeat the duly elected republican nominee. Pretend it doesn’t amount to the same thing, whatever.

    If Hillary is elected, it will be the height of chutzpah for nevertrumpers to turn around and blame those that voted for the the republican. All the “told you so’s” in the world will never replace your complicity in electing the most corrupt, evil, America hating, hag with zero checks ever.

    LBascom (0e2db9)

  31. That last part was not meant to be a dig at you, Rick,
    you just happened to be around when I reached this point.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  32. Perhaps this will be my last post for the indefinite future…

    Lies, dam*ed lies, and statistics (and lies of ommission)…..
    Sure, Trump had the highest primary vote total ever,
    and when others were still in the race he had an even higher record votes against him.

    When whatever happens, happens, most finger pointers will have three pointing back at us.

    Jeremiah did not get to blame “them”,
    and even if he did,
    it would have been of no consolation.

    Nevertheless, perhaps someone vomited out of a whale will appear and repentance will come before destruction.

    Later.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  33. MD in Philly,

    I took no offense. My concern is that Clinton will be a bigger layup in ’20 than she is this year. If the nomination process is not reformed there is nothing stopping another cheesy demagogue from trying to repeat Trump’s failure. I have absolutely no faith in a ‘sadder but wiser’ primary electorate. It just ain’t in ’em.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  34. @ LBascom, #30:

    If Hillary is elected, it will be the height of chutzpah for nevertrumpers to turn around and blame those that voted for the the republican.

    Are you kidding me? I would never blame anyone who voted for Evan McMullin.

    Now, people who voted for Donald Trump, on the other hand…particularly in the primaries? Them I blame. They own Hillary, because they voted for the one man who could ensure her election.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  35. Demosthenes – I have no use for the uni-party moderate republican. They need permission from Harry Reid to tie their shoes or wipe their behind. All these moderates could not stop obama and his dolts from doing anything. Starting with cash for clunkers. I am ready for a huge invasion of commie crap, but I feel prepared.

    mg (31009b)

  36. How about we go full Rome and have two consuls-one for Red States and one for Blue?

    That’s why I could never understand Limbaugh’s wager to divide the stimulus between Obama’s handouts and tax cuts to see which would do the trick.

    Pinandpuller (888141)

  37. Those same moderate republicans had no use for Ted Cruz. If they would have rode with Ted early we would all be on the same page. I truly believe Ted would have given granny grifter a heart attack in the first debate.

    mg (31009b)

  38. All these moderates could not stop obama and his dolts from doing anything. Starting with cash for clunkers.

    Cash for clunkers was enacted in 2009, when the Republicans (including the moderates) were in the minority, and the Dems had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. I’m not sure how you expected the minority party to stop anything. And I’m real sure the solution to that isn’t to become an even smaller minority.

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  39. Obama and his minions don’t object to a two state solution in Israel. Lead the way, Hoss.

    Pinandpuller (888141)

  40. How do we actually know that Ayotte’s answer is why she’s going to lose? Is there really a significant block of voters who were going to vote for her and then reversed themselves?

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  41. I think New Hampshire’s been kind of a light blue – purplish state during the past number of years. Ayotte’s re-election was no sure thing.
    She’s being challenged by a popular incumbent Governor.

    Since Trump’s Access Hollywood comments, she’s said she intends to write-in Mike Pence’s name for President.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  42. Thank you, Rick.

    Maybe I am going overboard,
    but I am seriously concerned that if Clinton wins it will not make any difference how messed up or how reawakened with vision, insight, good will, energy and endurance a conservative movement is,
    it will not matter until we have hit a very low bottom as a country and conditions are so evil that there will finally come the Ceausescu moment, when a majority of people realize that they have been lied to,
    and decide to do something about it,
    and I have no idea how long that will take, perhaps not in our lifetime, perhaps not this side of eternity,
    yes, I am in a bit of a dark mood tonight.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  43. Maudie on her plane leaving Pgh., for Philly… aircraft cabin lighting revealed the make up literally caked on her face.

    Disgusting.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. Steve – I’m just saying the republicans could have put up a fight to stop it. They did nothing. And when we gave them the majority they did less. Why do you have to make excuses for how moderate uni-party republicans lie and screw the tax-payer? The house is supposed to control the purse, the republican house majority just wears them.

    mg (31009b)

  45. Notice, in the post about French, folks aren’t really saying what happened was unacceptable?

    It’s completely unacceptable.
    It seems very common these days.
    We have become very life-ruiney as a culture.

    But not we, really. Not me, not you, not most of us. But it reminds me that it is *most* of human history that people have been very callous, if not outright cruel, to each other. We were living through a bit of a kindness phase through the 1970s-2010’s, but that seems to be ending.

    MayBee (a7822d)

  46. I mean Chuck @44

    mg (31009b)

  47. 16I hope that the Trumpies know the level of anger they are going to face from the party after this is over. It’s gonna be AWESOME.

    And completely counterproductive. The Republicans need the Trump vote to win elections.

    James B. Shearer (0dbf28)

  48. MD in Philly,

    Solomon wasn’t too chipper when he wrote Ecclesiastes and Marcus Aurelius never knocked out an Ode to Joy within his Meditations yet Israel and Rome both rolled along for some time after their respective passing.

    I don’t disagree with your observations but I would note progressive’s implementation of Alinskite tactics coupled with Gramscian hiring and promotion policies have brought their fantasies closer to complete failure than to anything resembling fulfillment. Reality will never be in their favor and Clinton may get to play the part of Gorbachev before she is defeated.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  49. yes, french, has been foolish and overwrought but was in no means deserving of this treatment, clearly though we know who has an institutional mechanism to wreak this kind of damage,

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. Harry says wipe, republicans.

    mg (31009b)

  51. really, Rick, you have to explain how alinsky has failed in any measurable way, they tore down the foundations of the society rather readily,

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Well, Rick,
    Thanks for the thoughtful conversation,
    I would be more evil than I am if I didn’t wish you were right and I wrong,
    but the rule of law is already gone,
    and the media, hence most of the public,
    doesn’t care.

    And, Solomon and Marcus Aurelius were in charge,
    not the loser.

    MD in Philly (7d199d)

  53. vespasian, also played by peter firth, was perhaps a relatively bright spot, trajan as well, but there’s another century before you get to marcus aurelius, commodus not being quite the fiend in gladiator,

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. ayotte was elected in part on the strength of the tea party, she subsequently decided the denizens of the arab winter, had more significance,

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. and needless to say, new hampshire has been settled by emigres from taxachussets, much like dc has effectively annexed northern virginia,

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. Yet Gibbon picked Marcus A. as the last reign before the Aufsteig, and Solomon too much in himself, brought the Egyptian horses and the harem of a thousand wives and concubines, and the split between the kingdoms started with his son.

    Kishnevi (784fdb)

  57. He may have meant his then-Gov. Reagan but it’s good odds Alinsky foresaw the rise of Trump

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  58. true, inspired leadership is a rarity in republics, pericles is more the exception and alcibiades the rule, same as with cincinnatus and say crassus or pompey.

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. Alinsky described his plans for 1972 to begin to organize the white middle class across the United States, and the necessity of that project. He believed that many Americans were living in frustration and despair, worried about their future, and ripe for a turn to radical social change, to become politically active citizens. He feared the middle class could be driven to a right-wing viewpoint, “making them ripe for the plucking by some guy on horseback promising a return to the vanished verities of yesterday.”[4] His stated motive: “I love this goddamn country, and we’re going to take it back.”[4]

    from a Playboy interview, 1972 (Saul Alinsky’s Wikipedia page)

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  60. herman kahn, seemed to thinking along similar lines, around that time, he called it ‘an ideological renewal regime’ he thought it would probably come out of law enforcement, like a mayor frank rizzo,

    narciso (d1f714)

  61. so did arthur schlesinger around that time, I think retreating from your nominee, just signals panic, and doesn’t enure to your selfpreservation,

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. Narciso,

    Illinois, California and New York (among others) will be seeking relief from a Federal government currently spending far more than it receives and will fail to receive it. The Gallup Survey on Confidence in Institutions reflects the damage done over the past forty-five years. The trend lines strongly suggest failure rather than success within the institutions most closely identified with progressives. The media and public school numbers are particularly illustrative, given that Gramscian hiring and advancement are so firmly embedded (like termites) in their structures.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  63. it doesn’t matter rick, we can’t afford for them to seek safeharbour and we can’t afford not to itself, the puerto rican example will open up the begging bowl,

    narciso (d1f714)

  64. Ayotte just bungled the issue of Donald Trump, but she can recover.

    She should have said he’s not a role model, but she nevertheless prefers him as president, and the way she sees it, we’re not going to get a president who could be a role model anyway. But she was afraid to be outright critical of Donald Trump, probably because she was afarid how the RNC would react. I don’t think it was pro-Trump voters she was worried about.

    In fact she took back the role model claim almost right away.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  65. Ayotte should have prefaced her response by saying “First of all I don’t see what this has to do with who better represents the views of New Hampshire.” Republicans have to learn how to start turning these questions back on the “moderators”. Cruz showed he gets that in the CNBC debate but few others do.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  66. Kishnevi,

    Solomon’s closing admonition in Ecclesiastes is still being followed in Jerusalem, is it not? I didn’t say things came up unicorns and rainbows forever after, I said reality was going to take the ‘progressive’ manifestation of the idiocy running from Rousseau through Marx to today to the same place as the Soviet Union in 1991. The cost of maintaining the current subsidy level is unsustainable and cutting the subsidies is going to result in a new political alignment.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  67. and what happened next, the ruling class changed uniforms, and became the oligarchs including volodya, the bratva chief who sees him as czar, to ignore the sociopolitical milieu in which we live is folly,

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. we forget how brexit had to deal with the death of that remainer parliamentarian, along with the slanted polls,

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3862276/Thousands-Muslims-protest-outside-Colosseum-Rome-small-mosques-shut-authorities-avoid-youngsters-radicalised.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. If you’re a fervent Trump supporter, please: go into a closet and don’t come out again until never.

    Now is the time for all real Republicans to purge the party of conservatism.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. it’s a matter of perspective,

    http://fredoneverything.org/

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. NH Republican primary voters who supported Trump need to reflect on their very imprudent decision

    I have no doubt that many of the people who cast votes for Trump in February and March wish they had a do-over. If asked who they voted for in the primaries, after the election, they will all lie.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  72. If Hillary is elected, it will be the height of chutzpah for nevertrumpers to turn around and blame those that voted for the the republican.

    No, we will blame those who voted to put a crazy man on the GOP ticket. After doing that, nothing matters.

    As for blaming the nevertrumpers for “stabbing Trump in the back” by not voting for him, there was no backstabbing at all. We slapped the party across the face, repeatedly, trying to wake it out of its mania, to no avail. At NO TIME did we even hint that we were going to vote for Trump. So, there’s no “betrayal”, just doing what we said we’d do.

    There is STILL TIME for the party to toss Trump off the ticket and announce that its electors will vote for someone else. But somewhere Rince Preibus is still hoping it will get better.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  73. Anyway, I got this email from Brad Parscale, Digital Director Trump for President:

    In the last debate Mr. Trump delivered an incredible performance and we’re seeing the results today. Our internal polling shows a HUGE surge for our campaign, with undecided voters overwhelmingly breaking our way.

    So much for all the pessimism.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  74. really they wanted fundamental change from where we are, most of the party is preocuppied with everything but, they are basenghis except when it comes to denouncing trump,

    narciso (d1f714)

  75. The Republicans need the Trump vote to win elections.

    Too toxic. Every Trumpist repels 2 other voters. You can;’t make deals with these people — they have no honor or principle. All they have is hate.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  76. So much for all the pessimism.

    You expected him to tell the truth?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  77. it’s amusing because of who is funding the resurgent, the same fellow who locked cruz from most prospective likely allies, striking how one ignores why things happen,

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. beyond dispute that we are a majority of crazy people @ the very least.

    papertiger (021e95)

  79. You expected him to tell the truth?

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/22/2016 @ 7:15 pm

    Brad wouldn’t lie.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  80. other holes in your argument can wait while you fill that one.

    papertiger (021e95)

  81. reverse the question, which outlet do you expect to tell the truth, ignore all the carriers of podesta’s rizotto,

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. Only Trump needs the Trump vote.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. so about them cubs,

    narciso (d1f714)

  84. 78- do you even listen to yourself? You’re the poster boy for projection.

    LBascom (0e2db9)

  85. We told you this. We told you, over and over. Some of you didn’t listen

    Now you know how some of us feel.

    We told you when we created the Tea Party. we were
    ignored at best, insulted and attacked far more often.

    We told you when we defeated Cantor.

    We told you when we created Rubio and Cruz.

    We got nothing but abuse and watched while the Republicans continued to roll for the Democrats.

    Trump is as much your fault as anyone else’s.

    gahrie (12cc0f)

  86. There is STILL TIME for the party to toss Trump off the ticket and announce that its electors will vote for someone else.

    Jeb…right?

    The very fact that the GOP Establishment actually tried to ram Jeb Bush down the party’s throat is reason #1 that Trump exists.

    gahrie (12cc0f)

  87. 85Only Trump needs the Trump vote.

    You guys are living in some sort of fantasy world. Subtract the Trump vote and very few Republicans would win.

    James B. Shearer (0dbf28)

  88. she’s one of meghan’s coward daddy’s most pliable trashcan trollops

    and with her out the way nevertrump can get their yummy partial birth judges all up in the court more easier

    and it will be so good

    and the kingdom the power and the glory shall be everlasting lol

    happyfeet (e9a69e)

  89. Subtract the Trump vote and very few Republicans would win.

    Keep clinging to that fifteen minutes of relevance.

    nk (dbc370)

  90. Aaaaaand there it is, nk.

    The little man cannot help but hate on women.

    That is, women who disagree with him.

    Sort of like Trump.

    Simon Jester (c63397)

  91. and it will be so good

    happyfeet (83a71f)

  92. On the original topic
    Getting ready for the airport this morning I saw a new Ayotte ad.
    Attacking Hassan for budget cuts she signed to Medicare/Medicaid, emphasis on nursing home impact.
    IOW a variation on Throw Granny From the Wheelchair.
    Run by the GOP candidate against the Democrat.

    Kishnevi (0f2249)

  93. Kishnevi (0f2249) — 10/23/2016 @ 8:00 am

    IOW a variation on Throw Granny From the Wheelchair.

    Run by the GOP candidate against the Democrat.

    Most of the them may have the same campaign consultants or the same rradition of what to attack someone for.

    Sammy Finkelman (44bd3a)

  94. I wanted Walker, but people were already remarking there was a subtle misogyny in his targeting of AFSCME and teachers unions and his hands off on first responder unions.

    urbanleftbehind (9e8d55)

  95. In one state rep race up by me the Democrat has a mailer that labels the opponent as a Cruz Republican willing to turn back the clock on women’s health. No “Toilet Paper*” mentioned by name.

    *Maybe a swatch of toilet paper on your sleeve might be stealth enough acceptable way of showing support.

    urbanleftbehind (9e8d55)

  96. Lead, follow loyally (especially when the die is cast) or get out of the way.

    The Dem party has gone Faaaar Left and is antithetical to the fundamental founding principles of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the USofA. The Repub party has far too, too, many fence sitters (RINOs)- who lack any true conviction or intestinal fortitude – and who at even the hint of challenge or a slight wind, abandon the Rebup party, jump to the Dem party side and thereby undermine principled Republicanism, conservatism and their own purported cause.

    Maybe the Dem party is where their true convictions actually lay, were from the start and where they actually belong and should actually stay – if they were honest with themselves and their constituents. (Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chafee, Jeb Bush, Charlie Christ, William Weld, Gary Johnson, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Mitch McConnell, and Paul Ryan – to name a few.)

    Lead, follow loyally (especially when the die is cast) or get out of the way – and take your medicine – and never jump the fence and join in your own destruction. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (ab669e)

  97. 92

    “Subtract the Trump vote and very few Republicans would win.”

    Keep clinging to that fifteen minutes of relevance.

    This will still be the case in 2018 and 2020.

    James B. Shearer (0dbf28)

  98. This will still be the case in 2018 and 2020.

    And so we will get more and more of what Hillary wants.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  99. Jeb…right?

    That strawman was beat to death in February. It’s almost like you can’t think of new stuff by yourselves.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  100. The very fact that the GOP Establishment actually tried to ram Jeb Bush down the party’s throat is reason #1 that Trump exists.

    You know who stopped Jeb? Mitt Romney. Look it up.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  101. It isn’t Trump’s ideas that we recoil from, it’s Trump himself. A man without class, culture, manners, self-control or respect for his fellow man. A two-year-old in a man’s body who has never been told “no.”

    That he got so many people to vote for him is a measure of this nation’s fall.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  102. 104. Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/23/2016 @ 9:51 am

    It isn’t Trump’s ideas that we recoil from, it’s Trump himself.

    I think there’s a connection between Trump being the kind of person he is, and espousing the kind of ideas he has.

    A man without class, culture, manners, self-control or respect for his fellow man. A two-year-old in a man’s body who has never been told “no.”

    It’s also being a man who doesn’t care about the truth, and doesn’t care if he is cruel – a lot of his businesses involved cheating people out of their money – having them spend too much on housing, or lose money by gambling, and there were the beauty contests, which objecified women, and even the Apprentice had pseudo-cruelty. (some he did for ego, like saving the Eastern Airlines shuttle between New York and Washington. D.C., but he had no special way to make it economically sound)

    And when he does speak sincerely, he usually doesn’t care if he’s right and doesn’t feel bad if he was wrong. Or he feels bad onlly if he has to say so. So he’s going to be wrong and say things that are unfounsed.

    But this is not unrelated to his political principles, because they’re wrong too, or he doesn’t care where they are right and where they are wrong. Is he at all curious of the actual effects of trade? Certain old time jobs can exist again? Or whether that truly matters? I know a big problem: Banks don’t lend money except in big cities. Dodd Frank made it worse.

    And he talks about China and Mexico like nothing at all has changed in the last ten or fifteen years.

    That he got so many people to vote for him is a measure of this nation’s fall.

    He just echoed what was on talk radio – maybe Ann Coulter in some respects. If an argument goes uncontradicted long enough, people start to believe it. Nobody wanted to argue. Nobody knew how to argue. It was, and is, like socialism before about 1950.

    The Democrats didn’t want to argue, but just focused on self-interest. But no serious economist believes Donald Trump’s implicit econoiic theories. It is impossible to believe them because they are contradicted by history.

    Sammy Finkelman (44bd3a)

  103. The best way to be the only person saying what you are saying is to be definitely wrong (at least to informed people)

    Sammy Finkelman (44bd3a)

  104. Lead, follow loyally (especially when the die is cast) or get out of the way – and take your medicine – and never jump the fence and join in your own destruction. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (ab669e) — 10/23/2016 @ 8:52 am

    Did I read you correctly, Gary? You’re just another one of those crazy Trumpers who willingly place party before country? ***YAWN***. Get back to us after the coronation and let us know how that works out for you.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  105. I think there’s a connection between Trump being the kind of person he is, and espousing the kind of ideas he has.

    And here I defend Trump.

    There is something terribly wrong with a government and power structure that favors foreigners over US citizens. Whether it’s building hi-tech manufacturing overseas (utterly immune to labor costs), or importing workers to compete with Americans at cut-rate wages (Central Americans now own construction and other trades, H1-B is being used to bring in tag-teams of young cheap workers to compete with career professionals), the nation’s public and private “leaders” have turned outward so much that they ignore the people in their midst.

    Of course there’s a reaction. Some of it is ugly. But the ugly parts do not imply the issues aren’t there. With a sane, rational and intelligent leader these issues might even decide the election.

    With Trump though, there are no issues. There is only Trump, and he wouldn’t have it any other way.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  106. Lead, follow loyally (especially when the die is cast) or get out of the way – and take your medicine – and never jump the fence and join in your own destruction. GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (ab669e) — 10/23/2016 @ 8:52 am

    Destruction lies on both sides of the fence. The Democrat, Shiva, or the Republican, Godzilla. Sure, Godzilla is more random in his destruction, and maybe he can be avoided, unlike Shiva, but it isn’t really that great a choice.

    I’ll vote for someone who isn’t toxic, lest they think I LIKE toxic.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  107. “IBD/TIPP TRACKING POLL: Trump Up 2 Points Nationwide, While Clinton Campaigns As If The Race Is Already Won.

    Well, most polls show Trump way behind, but IBD, Rasmussen, and LAT/Dornhiser show him tied or ahead.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247094/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  108. Well, most polls show Trump way behind, but IBD, Rasmussen, and LAT/Dornhiser show him tied or ahead.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/23/2016 @ 11:23 am

    I am convinced the ones showing him way behind are phony.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  109. Nate Silver: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-there-are-4-ways-this-election-can-end-and-3-involve-clinton-winning/

    A) Hillary Clinton blowout(8 point or larger win in the popular vote) : 32% or 43%

    B) Obama size victory by Hillary Clinton: (4-7 pts) : 36% or 31%

    C) Narrow Clinton win (3 pts or less orjust Electoral College) 17% or13%

    D) Trump win 16% or 13%

    He’s discounting other possibilities, but a tie is remotely possible if only because of Utah. But maybe that would also signify Trump losing many other states.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  110. That is my hope, Gerald. If this is so in the bag for Clinton, I’m wondering why the Clinton campaign, the DNC and the Democrats-with-bylines are still so fervently, relentlessly and energetically doing all they can to trash Trump?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  111. take that atlantic prri poll bandied about earlier, besides the gender disparity, they projected a lower sample of trump supporters as a given, and a larger balance of independents,

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. I think Trump’s supporters are more passionate than illary’s.
    Hopefully, enough of illary’s supporters will believe she’s so far ahead that she doesn’t need their vote. So they won’t show up to the polls.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  113. as for ayotte, she could reply with an excerpt from the email hillary sent to chelsea, revealing the truth, and juxtaposing it with the ‘what difference does it make’

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. Somebody earned a great referral bonus for nabbing Mr. Hernandez:http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gay-republicans-explain-proudly-supporting-donald-trump/story?id=42977880

    urbanleftbehind (9e8d55)

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    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  116. That is my hope, Gerald. If this is so in the bag for Clinton, I’m wondering why the Clinton campaign, the DNC and the Democrats-with-bylines are still so fervently, relentlessly and energetically doing all they can to trash Trump?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/23/2016 @ 12:04 pm

    Agreed, Herr Oberst. Here in California, it’s a lock for Sir Hillary. She hasn’t even tried to campaign out here. Nationally though, not so much. Her organization appears to be in a panic mode, partially because of the residue left from Sanders’ run, partially because she is seen as a not-very trustworthy candidate, and partially because she’s playing catch-up to Trump. To cover all that, she HAS to trash Trump wherever she can.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  117. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/23/the-rhino-who-won-an-election.html

    …On October 8, 1959 in Sao Paolo, sewers were overflowing, prices were soaring, supplies of meat, beans, and voter patience were dwindling. Dismayed by the 540 candidates running for 45 council seats, some students decided, “Better elect a rhinoceros than an ass.”

    This wasn’t just any two-horned, two-tonned, four-year-old black rhino – who weighed about as much as all 45 council members. This was a local celeb, Cacareco, Portuguese for rubbish. A carpetbagger from Rio, she came to help open the new Sao Paolo zoo, until some Rio newspapers demanded her return. The publicity inspired the disgruntled students, who printed 200,000 paper ballots endorsing Cacareco’s candidacy. “She’s an ugly beast, very stupid” said the Rio zoo director, displaying a candor few so close to a candidate ever exhibit. “You could put her brain in a Brazil nut.”

    One candidate found losing to a beast so humiliating, he shot himself. “It was just a spontaneous whim,” a beaten party leader muttered. “A ridiculous vote for a ridiculous rhinoceros. Nowhere, and never before, have 100,000 literate adult voters cast their ballots for a silent, absent, and nut brained quadruped, Diceros bicornis.”

    This was in the New York times:

    http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9B00E1D81431EE3BBC4053DFB6678382649EDE

    Rhinoceros Elected In Brazilian Protest; Nonpolitical Rhinoceros Scores Wide Lead in Brazilian Election
    .
    By TAD SZULC

    Special to The New York Times.

    October 08, 1959,

    Page 1

    [ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]

    RIO DE JANEIRO, Oct. 7 — A female rhinoceros has won a landslide victory in an election in Sao Paulo, Brazil’s largest city. And she doesn’t even live there….

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  118. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-where-the-race-stands-with-three-weeks-to-go/

    9. What would keep me up late at night if I were Clinton?

    We’re getting to the point where a Clinton loss would require either an “October surprise” — maybe Wikileaks has something more damaging up its sleeve than what it’s shown so far, although even then it could be drowned out by all the news Trump is generating — or a significant polling error. On the prospects for a polling miss, let me state this carefully. It’s not that the arguments for why the polls could be underrating Trump’s support (e.g. the supposed presence of “shy Trump” voters) are all that strong. There are reasons to think the polls could be underrating Clinton’s support instead of Trump’s, in fact. But polls aren’t always as accurate as they were in the past few presidential elections, and given the large number of undecided voters, they could be off in either direction. A 6- or 7-point polling error is just on the outer fringe of what’s possible based on the historical record in U.S. elections.

    With that said, it’s not the massive polling miss that would concern me if I were Clinton. Instead, I’d worry about what might happen if Trump was on a rising trajectory as Nov. 8 approaches, having cut my lead down to 3 or 4 percentage points, and then there was a more modest polling error on the order of what we saw in advance of Brexit, where the final polls were off by about 4 points. Polling errors of that magnitude are considerably more common than 6- or 7-point errors.

    10. What would keep me up late at night if I were Trump?

    I’m not sure I can keep up the gag of pretending that Trump has some sort of rational inner monologue. So instead, I’ll think of this question as what would keep me up late at night if I were Kellyanne Conway, Trump’s campaign manager. And the answer is that the Trump campaign was never really set up to have a strong finishing kick. Trump has considerably less cash on hand than Clinton; he also has a much inferior ground game and is burning bridges with Republicans who could help him. And in the primaries, Trump consistently struggled with late-deciding voters, perhaps because he was such a polarizing candidate. So even if Trump catches a couple of breaks over the final weeks, he might not be poised to take advantage of them.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  119. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-probably-finished-off-trump-last-night

    So we’re left to argue about the probability of an unforeseen event, or a significant polling error…

    …There aren’t really any direct precedents for a candidate coming back from this far down to win an American presidential election, although you can make a few loose analogies. Harry Truman’s comeback over Thomas Dewey in 1948 almost works as a comparison, but Truman wasn’t coming from as far behind as Trump is, and there was much less polling in 1948. Ronald Reagan had a significant late surge against Jimmy Carter in 1980, but he was ahead beforehand — and the surge came in large part because of a debate that occurred just one week before the election, whose impact was too late to be fully reflected in the polls. If Trump was going to have a Reaganesque surge, in other words, it probably would have started with a commanding performance in last night’s debate — and not another loss.

    Brexit? Even that comparison doesn’t really work. The final polls showed a toss-up between the United Kingdom leaving the European Union or remaining in it, and “leave” eventually won by 4 points. If the polls were biased against Trump by that much in this election, he’d still lose, by a margin approximating the one by which Mitt Romney lost to President Obama four years ago. The primaries? They’re a reminder that one ought to be humble when making predictions. But the polls pegged Trump just fine — in fact, slightly overestimating his performance in many early states such as Iowa.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  120. as noted earlier, the center right parties, have done well in the elections after dilma’s ouster, notably ‘the bullets and beans’ caucus, which are rough parallel to the anti accord forces in colombia, which also succeeded recently,

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. 101“This will still be the case in 2018 and 2020.”

    And so we will get more and more of what Hillary wants.

    Because you would rather lose elections than find a way to appeal to Trump voters?

    James B. Shearer (0dbf28)

  122. …You can’t spend six months telling anyone who’ll listen including moderates and undecided not to vote Trump and when the ballot goes in the sh!tter tip toe away scot free.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 10/22/2016 @ 2:07 pm

    That dog won’t hunt, Hoagie. It’s Trump who has been telling moderates and undecideds not to vote for Trump (Trump does like to speak in the third person about himself, and he’s been doing for a lot longer than six months.

    Basically your accusation against the people you call #NeverTrump amounts to, “How dare you point out the obvious, how dare you point out all the things Donald Trump keeps saying over and over and over again.”

    All your threats about not letting the #NeverTrumpers “tip toe away scot free” are simply a result of your inability to deal with reality. You couldn’t deal with reality before the election, and you won’t be able to deal with reality after the election.

    I’m reminded of how you and your fellow Trumptards reacted to the Colorado GOP caucus. It’s non binding. You just couldn’t deal with the reality that until the early ’90s (when the state government paid for primary elections, something the state GOP couldn’t afford to do, and reverted to caucusing although for two election cycles they made the results binding) the GOP had been using non binding caucuses since the early 1900s. You just couldn’t deal with the reality that they announced a year ahead of time that they were reverting to their traditional way of conducting cuacuses; because of a national GOP rule change they were reverting to non binding caucuses. And you couldn’t deal with the fact that Ted Cruz can a) read, b) pay attention and c) organize.

    So what did your illiterate, attention deficit disordered, unorganized icon Trump do? He said Cruz was “stealing” “his” delegates. By, you know, paying attention to the rules, which is something Trump can’t do.

    And what did his idiot Trumptard cultists do? Death threats; they started threatening Colorado state GOP officials and their families with death.

    Oh, but don’t blame your candidate and yourselves for driving away moderates and undecideds. Because if it hadn’t been for the #NeverTrumpers the moderates and undecideds would never have noticed any of this. They never would have noticed that DJT offered to pay the legal fees of any of his supporters who punched out protesters at his rallies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=WzYv5foyAS8

    Trump Tells Crowd to ‘Knock the Crap Out’ of Protesters, Offers to Pay Legal Fees during Iowa Speech

    Deal with it Hoagie. Trump’s own worst enemy is his thin skin and his mouth, and his supporters. You all didn’t need any help from the #NeverTrumper driving away moderates and undecideds. You did it all on your own.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  123. The thing is, I’m not entirely sure Trump will lose. Hillary Clinton is the worst candidate every to run for President. She never did anything as Senator except accept bribes from New York businesses like Corning. In addition to accepting bribes as Secretary of State and compromising national security, she tried to actually do diplomacy and foreign policy. She was a disaster from beginning to end. From the “Russian reset” which led directly to the Cold War 2.0 to siding with the jihadists in the M.E by relying on the Muslim Brotherhood to overthrowing Ghaddafi, thereby giving a country to the jihadists. A country only a hop, skip and a jump from Europe and therefore being directly responsible for bringing the jihaad to Europe (well, that and the mess she helped bake in Syria and Iraq). And then there was the “pivot to Asia,” which she completely screwed up. Look at Filipino president Dutarte, recently throwing his lot in with China saying the US “has lost.” He’s talking about having a foreign policy entirely independent of the US. He isn’t saying he’s going to renege on any treaty relationship he has with the US, such as the treaty that gives us access to military bases, just that he’s parting with the US on foreign policy.

    I could go into why this was entirely predictable, and I in fact predicted it, because of two factors. Hillary!’s hamhanded undiplomatic diplomacy (in her own book she admits that a former Chinese state councilor responded to her efforts at diplomacy by saying to her face, “Why don’t you pivot right out of here?”). And the fact that there was no military pivot to Asia because there wasn’t much of a military left to pivot (I’ve been saying since 2011 or 2012 that based on Obama’s [technically the Pentagon’s but they carry out his orders] 30 year shipbuilding plan we were never going to pivot to Asia because you can’t pivot to a maritime theater like the Western Pacific and Indian Ocean with no ships, so instead Obama was just pivoting to domestic spending). So why was this entirely predictable? Because as a result of HIllary!’s “diplomacy” the PRC became more assertive, in fact combative, claiming islands and consequently territorial waters in the South and East China Seas. And the smaller countries like the Philippines would walk away from the US because they could see that we have no desire and no ability to back up our words with action. If they don’t want to get crushed by China they’d have to put daylight between themselves and the US and improve their relationship with China through diplomacy. China is the 500lb gorilla in the region. We used to be the 1000lb gorilla in the region but Obama pissed that away, and that’s how we were able to maintain alliances.

    Like I said Clinton is the worst candidate to ever run for President. Except for graft, corruption, and lawbreaking she’s been a disaster at everything she’s done. The worst candidate ever, except for Trump.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/10/not-rigged-thrown.php

    …I find Trump’s allegation of the rigging of the election bizarre. It advertises his understanding that he will lose the election. He disclaims responsibility for the loss in advance, but there it is, even if his enthusiasts fail to understand what he is saying.

    They can’t understand what he’s saying because they can’t deal with reality even when what he’s saying is obvious to everyone else (hence the moderates and undecideds running away from Trump, screaming in horror).

    …Hillary Clinton is a sinister character but an utterly pathetic candidate. To anyone paying attention, her manifest flaws, weaknesses and wrongdoing made themselves apparent one way or another last night. The evidence continues to mount every day. A modestly capable candidate could make hash of her.

    Trump is not the man. He can barely frame a coherent thought or articulate a comprehensible argument against her.

    The great theme of Trump’s campaign in one way or another is American sovereignty. If Trump did more than pretend to care about it, he would master an argument and discipline himself. He would take the trouble to select the strongest points to be made against a profoundly flawed opponent and learn how to make them.

    Understanding that he is going to lose “big league,” as he would say, to a pitifully weak opponent, he is more concerned about salvaging his pride than putting up a fight. As I say, I think it makes more sense to infer that he is throwing the contest than that the election is rigged…

    I don’t know what Trump would be doing differently if he was a HIllary!/DNC plant. At his “Gettysburg address” he just couldn’t or wouldn’t help himself. He just had to go off and threaten to sue all of the women accusing him of sexual impropriety. Is he an idiot, or is he doing this on purpose? Because only an idiot wouldn’t understand that would be the only thing the in-the-tank-for-Hillary! LHMFM would report about. Only an idiot wouldn’t be able to make Hillary!’s record of disaster, and his policies, the main issue of the campaign. Only and idiot would help her and the LHMFM keep keep the focus on the mud Hillary! and her campaign have to sling at him hoping some of it will stick, because if the campaign is about her record and the policy differences between them, the GOP candidate wins in a landslide.

    So why is DJT helping Hillary! keep the focus on the smears against him? He’s going out of his way to make sure the mud she’s slinging sticks. So he’s either an idiot or he’s a ringer, a Hillary!/DNC plant. Those are your two choices, Trumptards.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  124. “16. I hope that the Trumpies know the level of anger they are going to face from the party after this is over. It’s gonna be AWESOME.”

    And just what is the Party going to do with them? Prevent them from voting Republican ever again? Right, great plan. And just how is the Party going to exhibit this anger? Call Trump supporters names? Oh noes, we’ll be called deplorable and hobbits and whacko-birds — how will we ever survive?

    You guys have let your hate drive you insane.

    You know what all the voters who voted for Trump in the primary are going to react when/if the “party” gets AWESOMELY angry at them? Nothing. Totally ignore it. Totally pay no attention to it.

    You guys have a backward view of how the power flows. The voters don’t need the party; the party needs the voters. The Party thought they had the upper hand. The voters thought otherwise. Hence Trump.

    ——————————
    “74. I have no doubt that many of the people who cast votes for Trump in February and March wish they had a do-over. If asked who they voted for in the primaries, after the election, they will all lie.”
    You are wrong. You have no doubt, I belive that. But you are wrong.

    If Trump loses, the people who voted for him won’t be slinking back to the party tugging their forelocks and begging forgiveness.
    They be saying, “No more Mr. Nice Guy.”

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  125. Steve57, he’s obviously an idiot.
    But I’d rather have this idiot as President than illary.
    I realize a lot of Texuns disagree.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  126. Let me get this straight, because it’s a bit confusing to me.

    The nevertrumper’s spent the 5 months since the convention trashing the Republican Party candidate every chance they got.
    And if he loses, they’ll say, “Hey, give us the power next time. We fought like hell against the Party’s canidate to get him to lose, and sure enough we succeeded and he lost, just like we were working for. So next time let us run the show.” Is that how you think it will go?

    Is it common in your world for an organization to voluntarily reward traitors?
    ’cause in this world, traitors are generally either kicked out or strung up.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  127. remind me again, what are those things ayotte is willing to go on the record for, she thought the arab spring was a neat idea, yet warbled on about benghazi, the general who was executed by a hamas kill team in cairo, would strike her as odd,

    narciso (d1f714)

  128. fred-2, it’s really counterproductive to be talking about “stringing people up.”
    That just plays into the narrative that foaming-at-the-mouth Trump First people are … well, foaming-at-the-mouth.

    By the way, treason toward one’s country is not the same as betraying one’s political party.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  129. I use imagery from dune, the fremen kris knife, which rove, dr. evil, tom ross, mr. huxted, who did a similar thing to mailman’s son on sb 5, (I dubbed him vorstedt, after the villain in lethal weapon,

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. I like to wax metaphorical about such things, what’s that line ‘done dare call it treason, because doth prosper’

    narciso (d1f714)

  131. in the end fideloflake, (I call him that, because of his attitude toward the regime,)

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. .treason toward one’s country is not the same as betraying one’s political party.
    Sometimes not betraying one’s political party is treason to one’s country.

    Kishnevi (15a549)

  133. Colin Kaeperpunk and the 49ers are so bad that I might take a knee in protest.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  134. leaking technical operations, the names of interrogators, accusing the us of war crimes, tell me when haven’t the democrats indulged in treason,

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. and the list of those including snowden, kirikaou,* wilkinson,** grenier,*** pillar ****(he may be a republican) as is scowcroft, armitage, powell, is a long one

    *leaked the name of at least one fellow interrogator to detainee’s atty, now finishing his short prison stint

    *inpugned our efforts in iraq, and at gitmo as powell’s deputy, also borderline 9/11 denialist

    ***helped compromise our overseas detention facility, stuck a shiv in scooter libby, denied reports of interrogation out of gitmo, now works for al jazeera,

    ****legendarily wrong about most policy judgement, sabotaged our war in iraq, through leaks to congress, came up with the fabulously flawed, 2007 NIE on Iran

    narciso (d1f714)

  136. “Earlier this morning we wrote about the obvious sampling bias in the latest ABC / Washington Post poll that showed a 12-point national advantage for Hillary. Like many of the recent polls from Reuters, ABC and The Washington Post, this latest poll included a 9-point sampling bias toward registered democrats…”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/new-podesta-email-exposes-dem-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  137. Fred-2, the traitors are THE IDIOTS WHO NOMINATED A LIBERAL NEW YORK DEMOCRAT. I think every fracking Trump primary voter should be forbidden to vote in the Republican primaries in the next POTUS election. Treacherous, bass-turds!

    Denny Elrod (2d0eb0)

  138. lets just go the next step, denny, suggested here approvingly, lets bar opposition from access to food or jobs, that the venezuelan, I mean ‘chicago way’

    narciso (d1f714)

  139. Fred 2 has a point.

    Trump’s fans can’t be lumped into one group very easily, and neither can the nevertrumpers. Some are racists, some are fed up with politics as usual, some are patriots who have a baseline standard.

    90% of politics is just finding wedge issues that tear the other team apart. The GOP is pathetic at any kind of offensive political strategy now that they lost the culture, but the democrats keep getting better at it. Trump is the best wedge issue ever as it has the stink of failure and it’s going to have the democrat’s critics at eachother’s throats for all of Hillary’s presidency. ‘It’s your fault! No it’s your fault!’

    It’s everyone’s fault, and it doesn’t matter. The GOP hasn’t nominated an appealing candidate since 1980. Our entire system of selecting leadership and what the party is about is completely screwed up, on purpose, by folks who do not want the party to represent us. The party is dysfunctional by design, and now we’re looking at the results of this dysfunction as though they mean something about those who like or do not like those results.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  140. forgot about tom ross, and how you were his pawn, didn’t you dustin, when the next macho grande seat opened up, and they drew the same percentage, crickets from him,

    narciso (d1f714)

  141. poppy was ok, but then he followed baker and darman’s take and pushed for higher taxes, ‘bob dole people,’ was another curmudgeon like maverick a dozen years later, then they settled on w’s compassionate conservatism, which was a rejoinder to latter,

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. I’m reminded of how you and your fellow Trumptards reacted to the Colorado GOP caucus.

    Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/23/2016 @ 2:39 pm

    Rev Hoagie, like me, Colonel Haiku, Cruz Supporter, mg, MD in Philly, and a few others I think, were opponents of Trump in the primaries that now plan to vote for Trump.

    The way that we have all morphed in the minds of a large number, maybe most, of the NeverTrumpers here, into people who supported Trump in the primaries because we now argue that he’s clearly preferable to Clinton is suggestive of psychosis. At least two NeverTrumps have claimed that we never really supported Cruz (or some other candidate).

    Claims about Trump such as his being a “lifelong leftist Democrat until recently” are objectively false, yet keep getting repeated by some. He’s been a registered Republican most of the time since 1987, the earliest year that’s publicly known. He changed to Democrat for the first time that we know of in 2001 for reasons that are unclear, but seem likely to have had something to do with Bush. He switched back to Republican in 2009, then was briefly independent before going Republican again in 2012.

    This kind of rampant nuttiness persuaded Mike K to recently take his leave and has me thinking about it. As nutty as some Trumpers are, especially the alt-righters, they’ve got nothing on many NeverTrumps when it comes to unhinged-ness.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  143. from the servant of the master, creamer,

    “Our goal with people who have become conservative activists is not to convert them — that isn’t going to happen. It is to demoralize them — to ‘deactivate’ them. We need to deflate their enthusiasm, to make them lose their ardor and above all their self-confidence…A way to demoralize conservative activists is to surround them with the echo chamber of our positions and assumptions. We need to make them feel that they are not mainstream, to make them feel isolated… We must isolate them ideologically…and use the progressive echo chamber,” meaning the media and the blogs and whatever. “By defeating them and isolating them ideologically, we demoralize conservative activists directly. Then they begin to quarrel among themselves or blame each other for defeat in isolation, and that demoralizes them further.”

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. yes, we’re being gaslighted, the way creamer suggests,

    https://sharylattkisson.com/newsgate-2016/

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. Damn it, narciso, now I’ll have that Newsgate 2016 on my mind all week. That’s what irritates me the most about leftists. We have conservatives at this blog who are willing to throw the election to Killary out of a desire to do what they believe is the right thing by disowning Trump, but I have YET to meet, hear or read one leftist so taken back by Killary’s repeated scandals, lies and obstructions. Not one!

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  146. when you hear the same ‘sound of drums’ even the same notes on every outlet and you don’t think journolist, but coincidence, now ms, ayotte, who once upon a time the huntress endorse over lamontaigne, bought the perception of reality jag, and now she’s up the creek without a paddle,

    narciso (d1f714)

  147. Hiagie,

    You realize that DCSCA is a liberal and he is supporting Trump because he doesn’t like Hillary, right?

    DRJ (15874d)

  148. actually I don’t think he mentioned man of mystery, they lie to us all the time, from the east to west, from the north to the south, they hide the few bits of actual news out of the debate, with the nuclear response time, the only real evidence of the fraud that o’keefe and company have unearthed.

    narciso (d1f714)

  149. You realize that DCSCA is a liberal and he is supporting Trump because he doesn’t like Hillary, right?

    Correct. He’s constantly prattling on about how conservatism has been defeated by Trump.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  150. Also, he is nuttier than squirrel poop. Look at his history of posts on Patterico’s blog.

    Simon Jester (c63397)

  151. “It’s everyone’s fault, and it doesn’t matter. The GOP hasn’t nominated an appealing candidate since 1980. Our entire system of selecting leadership and what the party is about is completely screwed up, on purpose, by folks who do not want the party to represent us. The party is dysfunctional by design, and now we’re looking at the results of this dysfunction as though they mean something about those who like or do not like those results.”

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/23/2016 @ 8:00 pm

    He’s wrong, “of course”.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  152. Rest in Pieces, Tom Hayden… you treasonous basturd.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  153. Hiagie,

    You realize that DCSCA is a liberal and he is supporting Trump because he doesn’t like Hillary, right?

    DRJ (15874d) — 10/23/2016 @ 9:22 pm

    As is often the case, I can’t figure out the relevance of a DRJ observation. There are lots of RINO NeverTrumps who oppose conservatives generally, like Meg Whitman. She’s also backing the Democrat opponent of a very conservative Republican Congressman. Does that mean anything to DRJ? Probably not.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  154. 146…Narciso, nah. No one wants to kill you or make you suffer physically, just penalize you for being a fracking grube. You nominated a left-wing liberal New York Democrat. Face it: You committed treason against the GOP. Why should you EVER be allowed to participate in its activities EVER again? Form your own “T” (for Treason) Party. Leave the GRAND Old Party alone. We don’t need a contingent of stupid voters. They result in nominating the Democrat Party’s candidate for the GOP nomination. Get it? You are the losers and you make EVERYONE a loser. Except for Trump and Clinton who strategized this campaign cycle by depending on angry, adolescent grubes.

    Denny Elrod (2d0eb0)

  155. 146…Narciso, nah. No one wants to kill you or make you suffer physically, just penalize you for being a fracking grube. You nominated a left-wing liberal New York Democrat. Face it: You committed treason against the GOP. Why should you EVER be allowed to participate in its activities EVER again? Form your own “T” (for Treason) Party. Leave the GRAND Old Party alone. We don’t need a contingent of stupid voters. They result in nominating the Democrat Party’s candidate for the GOP nomination. Get it? You are the losers and you make EVERYONE a loser. Except for Trump and Clinton who strategized this campaign cycle by depending on angry, adolescent grubes.

    Denny Elrod (2d0eb0) — 10/24/2016 @ 7:05 am

    Another one. Read my post #150.

    I forgot to list Narciso under the people who did not support Trump in the primaries.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  156. Gerald,

    No one said you supported Trump in the primaries. For all the sniping you do at DRJ you seem to be the one burning straw men.

    You definitely are one of the more passive aggressive Trump fans here, and you are absolutely a Trumpkin. Just read your comments about Trump and judges before and after the primary was decided. You’ve passionately argued against yourself, with no real explanation when this is pointed out to you.

    Bad faith.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  157. #163 Denny Elrod, Raul Castro is waiting to talk to you on line 1 about depriving opponents of their rights.
    Maduro is on line 2.

    If you’re accusing narciso of supporting Trump during the primaries, it’s because you haven’t been reading the blog for very long.
    Many of us are voting for Trump in a couple weeks because he’s preferable to illary. But that doesn’t mean we see him as preferable to Rubio, Cruz, Walker, Fiorina, Jindal, Jeb, or Kasich.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  158. He’s wrong, “of course”.

    Colonel Haiku

    Bush 41 was a terrible candidate, who won on coattails and then was creamed. Bush 43 was unable to win a popular vote against Al Gore. Mccain was poor and Romney was awful. And now Trump.

    Seems like I’m right. Except for Reagan, the GOP hasn’t nominated a good candidate for President. It’s been a very long time since our primary system has picked someone who represents Republicans very well, or someone who can win.

    But you’re a lot like Gerald. You’re not here to discuss things in good faith. You’re here to crap all over folks who aren’t on board with Team R. You really think that’s a good thing to do with apparently tons of your free time.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  159. Dustin is one who suggested I or someone else never really supported Cruz.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  160. Dustin is wrong, “of course”.

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  161. Denny, take your charge of treason against Narciso and stick it up your ass. It’s the exact same logic that Trumpers have been attempting to accuse Nevertrumpers like me with, and it’s the exact same fail.

    The word ‘treason’ has a precise meaning. Why not do yourself a solid and crack open a dictionary to find out what that meaning is? Really, dude- you’ll look a lot smarter when you find out just how retarded your use of that word is.

    Or am I wasting breath on still yet another totalitarian who likes placing party before country?

    Bill H (971e5f)

  162. 167. Under those metrics, Dole might have garnered the best results – a solid 300~ to 200~ electoral victory plus a tighter popular vote victory – during this timeframe, had more than lip service been paid to the Perot faction: this group in 1996 was much more ideologically homogeneous than the 1992 version.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  163. Dustin is voting for the criminal Hillary Clinton. He’s chopped liver… what’s to discuss?

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  164. “I REMEMBER WHEN BIG MONEY IN POLITICS WAS BAD: How mega-donors helped raise $1 billion for Hillary Clinton.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247175/

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  165. “MY USA TODAY COLUMN: We’re At War Around The World, But Our Campaign Is About Groping. “A different Democratic presidential nominee — former senator James Webb, say, or even Sen. Bernie Sanders — could separate himself from Obama’s policies and their results. But Clinton can’t. Obama’s policies, and their ugly results, are Clinton’s policies as well. Better to talk about sex, even Bill’s affairs, than that.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247160/

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  166. Look at these guys go.

    It’s sad and I’m not going to waste my time.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  167. Dustin, again, we’re not voting for Trump due to the ‘R’ which will appear next to his name on the ballot. We’re voting for him because he’s better than illary.

    You’re voting for illary because you believe she’s the lesser of two evils. And we’re voting for Trump because we believe he’s the one who is actually the lesser of two evils.
    To quote the Gershwin brothers, “You say ‘to-MAY-to,’ and we say ‘to-MAH-to.’ “

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  168. Gerald, Narciso’s comment in response to mine was irrelevant to the point. The GOP orgainiztion has EVERY right to ban those who betrayed the Party by nominating the Democrat Party’s choice from participating in it’s process. So he didn’t support Trump in the primary…but he does support letting stupid, adolescent, hissy-fitters pick the GOP nominee. All three branches of government will now be under the control of Democrats. Thanks to Grubes (stupid voters) in support of the Democrat candidate for the GOP nomination. The blame lies SQUARELY on their shoulders. They should not be able to participate in GOP activities until they’ve had their time out.

    Denny Elrod (2d0eb0)

  169. Gerald A,

    Once again, you say you can’t see the relevance of one of my comments. My comment about DCSCA was in response to this comment by Hoagie:

    We have conservatives at this blog who are willing to throw the election to Killary out of a desire to do what they believe is the right thing by disowning Trump, but I have YET to meet, hear or read one leftist so taken back by Killary’s repeated scandals, lies and obstructions. Not one!

    DCSCA is a liberal but he supports Trump because he thinks Hillary is bad and because he thinks Trump will kill conservatism. He is a relevant example that rebuts Hoagie’s comment.

    After reading your comments for several weeks, I think you read the first sentence or two of a comment and post a quick response, without really thinking about the entire comment. It may also be that you are deliberately uncharitable in your reading of comments that you don’t agree with, probably because you are so fearful and unhappy with the idea of a Hillary Presidency. I feel that way, too, but getting angry and sarcastic isn’t helpful to a civil discussion. Of course, that may not be your goal but it used to be so I have tried to respond to you in good faith. Was I wrong to do that?

    DRJ (15874d)

  170. yes, your point is irrelevant, you don’t get it the dems are playing for keeps, at best an oligarchical party like the pri, at worst the venezuelan example,

    narciso (d1f714)

  171. “DISPATCHES FROM THE EDUCATION APOCALYPSE: Colleges reject The Vagina Monologues because it suggests that “in order to be a woman, you must have a vagina.”

    Earlier: It’s Come To This: University Cancels ‘Vagina Monologues’ Because a White Lady Wrote It.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/247133/

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  172. You want s’moar??? Vote Clinton!

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  173. well eve ensler is a crazy moonbat, check salon to see how crazy she was in 2008, but morlock’s got to feed,

    narciso (d1f714)

  174. Denny teh Fascist…

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  175. C’mon, narciso… you want more crazy? Vote Clinton!

    Colonel Haiku (6fe2b1)

  176. looks like they took planks from the stage,

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/790587517842186241

    narciso (d1f714)

  177. as usual projection is the name of the game,

    https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/790560073521111040?lang=en

    manafort and co, were just near beer,

    narciso (d1f714)

  178. we control the vertical ,and the horizontal.

    https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/790348123700924416?lang=en

    narciso (d1f714)

  179. @177- Not totally accurate but a nice side bennie. He’s a Reagan era capitalist, dear. Those of us who live and worked in NYC in the 80s already know Trump, his strengths and flaws fairly well. America needs a little New York kick in the azz. He’ll do it.

    Point is, he is a doer. He builds things and made things happen– in the most competitive city on Earth. Maudie has never come close to his level of success. And if conservatism is caged as a side bennie, all the better.

    “And that’s a good thing.”– Martha Stewart

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  180. @158.You realize that DCSCA is a liberal and he is supporting Trump because he doesn’t like Hillary, right?

    Correct. He’s constantly prattling on about how conservatism has been defeated by Trump.

    Incorrect. Conservatism defeated itself. And it’s not a matter of dislike about Maudie… it’s a matter of distrust. You can still vote for a candidate you personally dislike but generally trust. Example- Ronald Reagan. The fact Trump further cages conservatism is just a bonus. Beside, he’s a New Yorker. What’s not to love. Pragmatism is in, ideology is out.

    “There you go again…” Ronald Reagan, 1980 Presidential debates

    DCSCA (797bc0)


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