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10/21/2016

Do I Want Trump to Win? Sometimes, Yes

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:03 pm



I have maintained a consistent posture of not caring who wins the presidential election — but during the last debate, I had moments where I viscerally wanted Trump to win. (I have never felt that way about Hillary Clinton.)

One of them was where he talked about how ugly Hillary Clinton’s views are on abortion. He was inarticulate and ill-informed, but the basic idea was there, and was true: there are literally no restrictions on what she would accept.

Another was listening to her lie about the Second Amendment. She pretended to be in favor of the individual right to bear arms. She was lying, and it was obvious.

It was almost enough for me to forget what a cretin Trump is. How little I trust him. How I think he would promote leftism.

I just wanted her to lose. And to have a hope at conservatism for the next four years.

I think that’s how a lot of you feel. I just don’t think, on reflection, that it’s realistic.

Each side gets a turn. If we take our turn with Trump, that’s it for the next 12-16 years. We’ll waste four to eight years with his bullshit, and then get four to eight years of a Democrat, and real conservatism will never happen in my lifetime.

If he goes down in flames, we keep our heads down, and in four years, maybe we’ll get four to eight years of a turn that actually matters.

In the end, console yourself with this thought: it doesn’t matter what Patterico thinks. It doesn’t matter what I think. What is going to happen is going to happen. It’s not like you have a say in how you’re ruled.

Right?

Do you feel better now? Good.

UPDATE: In case I was not clear: the feeling was brief and quickly passed.

112 Responses to “Do I Want Trump to Win? Sometimes, Yes”

  1. Remember the Tale of the Slave.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  2. And remember that we don’t have to criticize each other to make our points.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  3. Whenever I see flags at half-mast I get a hopeful feeling.

    mg (31009b)

  4. Let’s not forget there is video of Trump declaring he’s for partial-birth abortion. So her views on abortion and his views on abortion are not different. Remember, Trump’s an opportunistic liar first.

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd)

  5. There was a long string of Presidents who got elected in a zero year dying in office. Reagan broke that string.

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd)

  6. It’s just a shame they can’t both lose. Henry Kissinger gets credited for that line about Iran and Iraq, but that fubar’d crapstorm can’t begin to compare with this one unless, I guess, you’re a sixteen year old armed only with a green bandana who’s sent with your brigade to find, by detonating them with your feet, all the land mines left behind the retreating Iraqis.

    A colleague of mine, a life-time Democrat who will (of course) hold his nose to vote for Hillary, told me today he’d awakened in the middle of the night last night, looked at his smart phone’s Facebook feed, and read that Trump had just died, suddenly but unexpectedly, of a massive heart attack. My friend woke his wife and demanded: “Did you hear? And why didn’t you wake me as soon as you did?” He began to weep, and his wife asked why. “Because now we’re going to lose the election! Hillary can’t beat anyone but Trump! And now he’s gone!” But then he woke up from his bad dream, and checked his FB feed, then RCP’s state-by-state polls, and then he was able to go back to sleep again.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  7. Many of our allies have turned away from us. Can we wait another 4 years before starting to rebuild our relationships in the world?

    National debt has doubled in the last 8 years. Will we be able to wait another 4 year before starting on the very long process of working our way out of the hole?

    Socially our country is being torn apart. The democrat strategy has been to pit one group against another. Can we afford 4 more years before we start coming together again?

    Wikileaks has exposed the corruption that is in our government. Can we wait 4 more years while the corruption solidifies even further?

    There may come a point where there is no return — at least not without many years or decades of pain. It has happened elsewhere.

    Paul W (f51dcf)

  8. wow so glad to see how “real conservative” reasoning works.

    so the people who voted for Trump didn’t have a say in how we are ruled?

    yet we all voted for Romney, the “guy” who promoted & signed Romney-care (the early version of Obama-care) into law, stood by as Catholic orphanages were closed because they wouldn’t allow gay couples to adopt their orphans, and four years before he ran, after decades of donating to Planned Parenthood, “saw the light” that abortion was wrong.

    yet, we don’t trust Trump?

    if HC gets in you will have 8 years. It is a straw man lit on fire to think you will get any victory 4 years after HC gets in.

    All of the “conservative” pundits said it would only be 4 years when McCain blew it and instead we got 8 because Romney choked. It’s as if the so called establishment candidates simply a there for show, so that nothing ever changes or gets worse. And when we get a Bush, and we get more debt and/or another war.

    also HC would have filled SCOTUS and they would nullify anything a conservative POTUS/Congress does.

    again, don’t trust Trump? fine, but then why were we so in love with the Bushes and Romneys? If you look at any of those royal political families they are all either voting for Clinton or Johnson,both pro-abortionists and would pick liberal judges as well as open the borders worse then they are.

    yet you know Trump will be worse then any Bush, Romney or Clinton? you know that for a fact?

    since you are such a crystal-ball gazer tell me: how does the USA experiment end? especially since we currently do not have any political party to oppose the corrupt, vile, satanic Democrats?

    thatguyJohn (20e1e6)

  9. Paul W,
    The lying Leftist Democrat conman Donald Trump is not the answer. He’s part of the problem.

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd)

  10. My lunchtime predictions to my friend, fwiw, were as follows:

    First: During the prolonged multi-climactic mutual orgasm of the Democratic Party between Election Day and Inauguration Day, Obama & Clinton will call a press conference, at which Obama will first refer to Gerald Ford’s pardon of Nixon after Watergate. He’ll next refer to Dubya’s commutation of part of Scooter Libby’s sentence. He will announce that early the following week, Pres.-Elect Clinton will hold her own press conference to announce the nation’s new CyberSecurity Czar and nominee to head the new cabinet-level Department of CyberRighteousness, because, you know, Pres.-Elect Clinton takes seriously the noncriminal mistakes, all of no consequence, she unintentionally allegedly might have made but for which, if you remember nothing else from this run-on sentence, you should recall that she has not yet ever been convicted. So in this least consequential or controversial ever of presidential pardons, Obama is pardoning Hillary, retroactively from this day to the beginning of time, and hey, let’s make it blanket, to leave no questions about, say, Bengazi, Monica, or anything else. And hey, this should be bipartisan, so here: Obama’s also going to pardon David Petraeus. The name “Marc Rich” won’t be heard or permitted. Also Hillary’s aids and friends and associates down to, but not quite including, Carlos Danger.

    Second, within one calendar week after Election Day, Merrick Garland will “spontaneously and of his own volition” conclude that he really wants to spend more time with his family and stay in his current life appointment as chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Pres. Clinton will announce her new selection, who coincidentally will not be a former DOJ prosecutor but another law professor from Harvard or Yale who’s under age 52.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  11. Donald Trump is pro-abort. There is video of him declaring partial-birth abortion on demand up until the natural birth should remain legal.
    He’s also for gun-control.
    He’s also for scrapping the First Amendment.
    He also loves tyrants who murder their own people.
    Donald Trump is not the guy to save the US from positions he, himself has taken.

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd)

  12. “Donald Trump used the Bankruptcy Code to get four ‘fresh starts.’ Surely President-Elect Clinton, who’s never gone bankrupt, deserves a fresh start — free from all this politically inspired and sexist strife — to work together with the new Congress yada yada yada ….” The speech practically writes itself.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  13. @John Hitchcock

    yet you and I voted for McCain, the Bushes & Romney and they didn’t lie to us?

    yet you will now vote for “who” to stop HC?

    you know for a fact that Trump is going to be the Democrat”s president? for a “fact”?

    I see McCain, the Bushes & Romney as those royal political families who caused the problem.

    yet you don’t want Trump to be POTUS in order to prevent “what”? “what” is it that by allowing HC to be POTUS do you accomplish? whats the victory?

    it will be an 8 yr Clinton presidency.

    thatguyJohn (20e1e6)

  14. That’s why happy’s “not stinkypig” argument is so effective.

    By the way, where is happy?

    ThOR (c9324e)

  15. @John Hitchcock

    What a big baby. because you didn’t get the “conservative” you wanted you want to burn the whole thing down.

    You have none else to blame but yourself.

    You are as much a liberal & fraud as the Bushes & Clintons.

    You are pro-abort.
    You are for gun-control.
    You are for scrapping the First Amendment.
    You love tyrants who murder their own people.
    You are not the guy to save the US from positions HC and the DNC have taken.
    You help guarantee HC becomes POTUS.

    thatguyJohn (20e1e6)

  16. I did not vote for the Left-of-Center McCain. I voted for Palin, McCain just happened to be top of the ticket.
    I did not vote for Flip Flopney or his running-mate. He’s Left of McCain.
    I happily voted for Reagan.
    I voted for Bush Sr, knowing he wasn’t a Conservative and would undo some of the work Reagan did.
    I voted for Bush the Younger, knowing he wasn’t even as Conservative as his non-Conservative father, and was very displeased by the way Bush the Younger ran his campaign, actively dismantling the Conservative Coalition Reagan built.

    And no, the Bush family didn’t cause the problem. It was already there. Reagan had to fight the Rockefeller Republicans and the Democrats. So did Goldwater before him.

    And for the umpteenth time…
    #NeverTrump
    #NeverHillary

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd)

  17. thatguyJohn,
    You are a liar.
    Let me repeat that.
    You are a liar.

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd)

  18. Also, thatguyJohn,
    My grandson is half black and less than half white.
    I am not pure white.
    5 different continents are represented in my family, and Australia isn’t one of them.
    I love Israel and the Israelis.
    The “white people are my people” crowd are all evil. Every last one of them.

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd)

  19. @John Hitchcock

    you are a bigot and liar. I never mentioned anything about race. why the did you even bring that up? I don’t care what race, religion or sex you are….

    you are not just a bigot and liar you are crazy.

    so you also voted for losers or frauds. Yet you know you can’t vote for Trump because “why”? You then allow HC to get in for the next 8 yrs.

    You are pro-abort.
    You are for gun-control.
    You are for scrapping the First Amendment.
    You love tyrants who murder their own people.
    You are not the guy to save the US from positions HC and the DNC have taken.
    You help guarantee HC becomes POTUS.

    Donald Trump is pro-life. Hillary Clinton is not.
    Donald Trump is for protecting the First & Second Amendments. Hillary Clinton is not.
    He hates tyrants who murder their own people. Hillary Clinton does not and even takes money from tyrants who kill there own people.
    Donald Trump is the guy to save the US from positions he, himself has taken IN THE PAST. Hillary Clinton is not & will not.
    Donald Trump is the guy to appoint Scalia-type Justice to the SCOTUS. Hillary Clinton is not & will not.

    and the Bushes weren’t “floppy floppy”? yet voted for them? oh and Reagan was for abortion before he was against it. Also, we have had to live for the last 35 years with his wonderful pro-abortion pro-gay marriage choices of O’connor & Kennedy.

    and yet you won’t vote for Trump due to your own satanic pride. Even Cruz is going to vote for him. Unfortunately you help lose the country for the rest of us.

    nice job sport. HC should send you a check.

    thatguyJohn (20e1e6)

  20. John Hitchcock,

    Our choice is between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. We all wish we had a Ronald Reagan to vote for.

    I don’t believe those that want Hillary so the conservatives can get back 4 years from now understand how bad things can get. I am not suggesting things will be good with Trump, just less bad. Collapsing countries are not something that is fun to watch from within.

    Paul W (f51dcf)

  21. I feel like I’m watching the “Barney Runs For Sheriff” episode of Andy of Mayberry, but the outcome is reversed. There were a number of Sheriff Taylors on the ballot this election season, but no, it was Barney who swept the Mayberry belt and, thereby, the nomination. For me and many others, making common cause with Floyd, Goober and Gomer is more than I can stomach. We’ve dug this hole deep enough as it is. I’m not digging it any deeper.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  22. I smell panic in the air. Panic is such an ugly thing. It’s frustrating to see how panicked so many conservatives are about 4 more years of Obama. The last 8 didn’t kill us; the next four won’t either. What then? Maybe an honest, principled, and disciplined conservative. For that, I can wait. So can you.

    Plus, I think you misread Mrs. Clinton. She and Bill spent the last 25 years pocketing golden eggs; she’s sure not about to kill the goose. With kleptocrats it’s just a slow bleed.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  23. I sure wouldn’t drive through South Carolina with a #NeverTrump bumper sticker on my car.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  24. As others have noted, the American government works in way that prevents Trump from becoming the Duterte of the United States. The house, senate and SC will strike down zany deportation schemes and massive trade wars. A lot of red states actually depend on exports.

    President Trump will probably play a lot of golf, throw dinner parties and entertain celebrities in white house events. He won’t win the confidence of the American people, but the GOP will evade immediate crisis. If he cooperates with conservative agendas and signs their bills the few times he bothers to work…. we could do worse than that. The GOP will probably have to give into medicaid expansion and half assed maternity leave programs to mollify the populist masses.

    Sure, Trump didn’t pivot in the general election and he genuinely does NOT care about the state of the republican party. But when he wins the game will change too much for him to do the same thing over and over again.

    lee (55777a)

  25. @everyone & anyone

    so if HC becomes POTUS what do you think you get? more “freedom”? really?

    how does voting for Trump “dig the hole deeper”? where is the proof?

    “Maybe an honest, principled, and disciplined conservative”…and thats what everyone said after McCain lost and since then we have doubled the Bush43’s “largest debt bigger than all presidents combined” and we now have the “larger largest debt bigger than all presidents combined”.

    all thats been cut out of the budget is the military.

    4 or 8 yrs is a long time for alot of damage.

    look at what 8 yrs of Obama did: Health insurance industry is cratering. are we all happy with over 90million unemployed? so now we will be ok with what…100million unemployed?

    an impoverished military?

    an open border?

    local police treated as criminals?

    those who “sit 2016 out”, you are all ok with more illegals coming in?

    so people now think Obama “wasn’t so bad” and we can “survive another 4-8 yrs. of a Obama-clone”? really?

    its insanity to sit this election out.

    what i am reading is national suicide.

    and to think i voted for candidates I hated in order to prevent worse evil, yet here we are and people just want to crawl into a fetal position and think all the troubles will go away in 4 years.

    just daft.

    really.

    thatguyJohn (20e1e6)

  26. “…and real conservatism will never happen in my lifetime.”

    Guess eight years of Reagan was just a dream to you. For much of the citizenry it was anything but– until one rainy morning in America it woke up stuck with the check and a helluva hangover.

    “How come every time you wake me up I have a date with Ann Sheridan?” – Johnny Hammond [Ronald Reagan] ‘Desperate Journey’ – 1942

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. A brief reprise of what I have already said,
    8 years of Obama hasn’t killed us, we can survive another 4?
    I “fear” we are already mortally wounded and don’t yet realize it.
    We have a corrupt executive branch, weaponized bureaucracy,
    and totally corrupt and partisan DOJ controlling the FBI,
    and an out of control federal judiciary about to get worse.

    Of course Trump is not the answer to anything,
    but Clinton is the leftist socia-fascist dream.

    I’m not sure we have survived 8 years of Obama,
    and I doubt we will survive another 4

    Unless 90% of the FBI resigns in protest and pickets DC and screams to halt the madness.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  28. But why would they do that?
    Nobody else is willing to make the tough choices and do what’s necessary.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  29. We don’t have four years to wait. If it’s HiLiary it’s over. Trump will be a one term deal.

    firefirefire (933c5b)

  30. Both Trump and Hillary are low-lifes, but I am voting for Trump because he is less likely to get away with it when he gets into office. Given how Obama the Democrats and the media protected Obama from his excesses, I know it will happen again with HRC, regardless as to how odious she is. In contrast, if Trump abuses his power, impeachment is inevitable because many Republican dislike him and (in contrast to Democrats) a significant number of politicians chose the Republican party to oppose abuse of power. A longer explanation justifying my vote is right here.

    Having said that, whatever happens following the election, we have a moral duty to boycott every talk radio host and news source that supported Trump in the primaries, or did anything to enable his nomination. Giving up on Sean Hannity was easy because he always impressed me as opportunistic and superficial. Giving up on Rush Limbaugh was harder because he did so many good things for conservatism in the past. Giving up on David Horowitz (for Frontpagemag.com) was very hard, because for so many years I regarded him as a hero who opened my eyes to the underrepresented intellectual diversity of the right. It was so hard to see this once great man indulging is some of the most egregious intellectual dishonesty to defend Trump. For example, on the Dennis Prager show Horowitz defended Trump’s use of “Bush lied, people died” lie as a good strategy for winning. On another occasion Horowitz told Glen Beck that Ted Cruz’s attacks on Trump were just as bad as anything Trump ever did. A few weeks ago I even saw an article on Frontpage defending the alt-right. It was so sad to see this cutting edge e-journal go the way of the egregiously misnamed “news source” Breitbart. All of these contemptible people must be ignored into oblivion.

    Tony (ff2fe4)

  31. Thanks for the post and link Tony.
    And in the event Trump gets impeached, we get Pence.
    In the event Clinton somehow gets impeached, we get another liberation theology Marxist,
    that in some ways will be no better than Clinton.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  32. @John Hitchcock

    OK, I geddit,
    “And for the umpteenth time…
    #NeverTrump
    #NeverHillary”

    But, also for the umpteenth time, who?

    The choices are Trump, Hillary and doing nothing and the latter is objectively pro-Hillary.

    Let me quote Orwell, a socialist, but one with clear eyes. “Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. … Even pacifists who wouldn’t own to any such fascination are beginning to claim that a Nazi victory is desirable in itself.”

    This is war, and your philosophy is pacifism.

    Fred Z (b0a041)

  33. I stopped listening to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh many months ago. When I cancelled my Rush 24/7 membership I told them it was because I couldn’t stand listening to someone who was a Trump apologist 24/7.

    I now listen to Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Dennis Prager and Mark Levine. I reject the notion that if I fail to support Trump, I am supporting Clinton. They are not just flawed candidates, they are both unsuitable. While they are both unsuitable, one of them will become President.

    Whenever I start to think I might want to support Trump ( a la Dennis, Hugh and Mark), he does or says something that makes me cringe and I swing back to not voting for either and leaving that line blank when I vote. I am not talking about his potty mouth. That was no surprise to me and is irrelevant to my analysis of his overall suitability.

    I now think that I may very well vote for Trump, because it occurred to me that I will be more effective opposing the harmful actions Trump may make as President than I would be opposing Clinton. That’s largely because Clinton will have the undivided loyalty of her party and a friendly MSM. With Trump it will be easier to override any veto and he will be under constant critical scrutiny by the press. Attempts to limit his exercise of executive authority will likely be supported by Democrats and enough Republicans to thwart his authoritarian streak.

    We might be able to hamper Hillary, but will certainly be no more effective than we were with Obama. We can probably reassert the division of powers with Trump and that alone may be worthwhile.

    That’s the argument that makes the most sense to me.

    Charles Harkins
    Spartanburg, SC

    Charles Harkins (be8e70)

  34. It’s not important who wins. It’s important that Trump loses. He brought us to this situation; he must not be rewarded for it.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. Patterico, you’re just tired, that’s all. I sympathize. You may also be feeling a little bit sorry for Trump and the sane wing of his supporters. But don’t give up now. Be strong. No prisoners, no wounded!

    nk (dbc370)

  36. Pattterico in cya mode.

    otto (6617e7)

  37. The “white people are my people” crowd are all evil. Every last one of them.

    That’s a nice racist opinion. It would play well at today’s modern anti-white college campuses. One can be proud of being black, Hispanic, Indian, middle eastern, Asian, mixed or Martian but those damn white boys is evil, every last one of’em. Pure evil I tell ya!

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  38. The “white ethnics” as we Chicago used to call them in the Vrdolyak 29 era have an out, it’s why we have Columbus Day as holiday (it’s not to celebrate a feat of seafaring or discovery of a new land). I wonder how many people check off Evangelical because there’s no polite way to list Redneck, settler, et al.

    urbanleftbehind (2fbf51)

  39. “The Hill’s Joe Concha is fast becoming one of my favorite media reporters. He attended Thursday night’s Al Smith dinner, and has written an article called “Al Smith Dinner I attended was different than one I read about.”

    Concha laid out some of what we’ve all heard in the media today about the zingers told by Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. We’re also being told that Trump delivered some truly terrible jokes that resulted in boos and jeering.

    But what isn’t being given as much attention — except from a couple outlets — is that Clinton was also booed at times, though not as often as Trump. The Guardian pointed out a couple of jokes from Clinton that received some cheers and boos.

    “You notice there is no teleprompters here tonight, which is probably smart, because it may be you saw Donald … dismantle his own. Maybe it is harder when you are translating from the original Russian,” Clinton said.

    “I have deep respect for people like Kellyanne Conway. She is working day and night for Donald, and because she is a contractor, he is probably not even going to pay her,” Clinton said in another joke that didn’t do very well.

    Concha notes that all the attention being paid to the boos and jeers toward Trump leaves out some important context.

    “Republicans — especially those named Trump — aren’t popular in New York, and certainly with the wine and cheese crowd at the Waldorf last night,” Concha wrote. “And even Clinton got some boos and awkward reactions.”

    He added that the event raised $6 million for children, more than it had ever raised before.

    So while Trump was predictably booed at an unfriendly event, the media ran with it in order to smear him. Further, they ignored this same group booing Clinton. And the media wonder why their trust with the American people continues to plummet.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/media-focus-on-trumps-problems-at-al-smith-dinner-but-not-clintons/article/2605221

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  40. I wonder how many people check off Evangelical because there’s no polite way to list Redneck, settler, et al.

    Boy am I dumb. All these years I thought Evangelical was a religion, not a race or ethnicity.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  41. 21… GD it Thor… I wake up after a good night’s sleep and one of the first things I read is your disparagement of Floyd teh Barber?!?!

    Eugene Levy’s impersonation of him used to leave me in stitches back in the SCTV days.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  42. I sure wouldn’t drive through South Carolina with a #NeverTrump bumper sticker on my car.

    ThOR

    Try diving through the SF Bay Area with a Trump sticker on it. And then tell me who the deplorables are.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  43. John “Benetton” Hitchcock.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. Evangelical is not even a religion; it’s an attitude towards proselytizing and to a lesser extent the selection of the clergy. But you missed ulb’s point: “Evangelical” has become the politically correct way to say “redneck”.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. “So while Trump was predictably booed at an unfriendly event, the media ran with it in order to smear him. ”

    – Colonel Haiku

    Hahaha… “smeared” him, by reporting something that happened, as it happened. Oh, the humanity! Will the campaign of smears never cease?! How can Donald Trump escape this smear campaign of reporters reporting things that happen?!

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  46. Six feet of dumb coming through his radio
    It’s raining in stilettos from there clear down to Mexico
    His brain is numb, he’s hanging on that steering wheel
    He’s frozen tight, prays the wind don’t blow him off the road tonight
    Don’t you know the ice and snow is sneaking in through his windows
    Don’t you know how much he hates to be so cold and so alone
    He’s coming home
    If it wasn’t for the lines that wind side by side
    He’d be lying next to her, next to her tonight

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. Col., I have seen reporting of the boos at and bad jokes by Hillary in the Boston Globe. Which isn’t exactly conservative.

    Rev. H, the proper response to the antiwhite crowd id
    Nothing human is alien to me

    Be sure to point out that a DWM came up with that.

    In fact, point out that Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite, and all men are created equal, to each according to his needs, property is theft, etc. were all ideas inventef by DWMs.

    Kishnevi (25f2af)

  48. Divorced white males?

    nk (dbc370)

  49. That’s an outlier, kishnevi.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. Dead white males, the moniker plastered on Western Civilization by the “diversity” crowd.

    Kishnevi (25f2af)

  51. What this country needs is another Great Depression, like the one that turned the Lost Generation into the Greatest Generation.

    nk (dbc370)

  52. Nice to know you’re on the mouth of the flint river’s side.

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. Mark Steyn has some thoughts,

    narciso (d1f714)

  54. Bitter clingers, so say we all.

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. The very fact there is a category “DWM” is in itself racist, sexist and offensive. Unless of course there are other similar categories such as DBF.

    In fact, just about everything in the modern world we take for granted from our very country to cars, computers and nuclear power also were ideas invented by “DWM’s” as you say. Terence himself would be amazed if he were here to see it.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  56. Premature kulaks rev, before carousel.

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. Conservatism is dead as it requires self-control and sacrifice. The number of people willing to disengage from the government teat is minuscule and the those with the internal strength to make it stick is even smaller still. For too long “free” stuff has been passed out by the plantation overseers in the Capitol and capitals of the states. The fact that there is no such thing as a free lunch is lost on the American public and even objecting to it is seen as somehow heartless and cruel.

    Trump’s mass appeal is easy to understand if you look at his supporter base offering a cry of “Keep out those that would take a portion of my free stuff!” No, they aren’t conservative, they just want to maintain the status quo or improve their own lot at the expense of “the other”.

    MrScience_ (aebf61)

  58. nk, I don’t Trump caused anything, he simply recognized what a mess the political elite class Republicans had made in repeatedly betraying their campaign promises and vilifying the few that did.

    Had Cruz won the nomination, you would see different people be #nevercruz, the ones who called him the devil.

    What Mr. Harkins said,
    And colonel and kishnevi about the dinner,

    I believe evangelical came from the “evangel”, the good news,
    That term was used to describe people who believed in the historic apostolic message that Jesus was God in the flesh for the forgiveness of human sin and rose again,
    as the term “Christian” had come to mean a whole lot of things that didn’t even include that.

    The devil has twisted language from the beginning to obscure truth, as when he subtly misquoted God to Eve and began the confusion that led to the Fall.

    Labels sometimes are helpful, but it is by their/our fruits that they will be know,
    whatever they are called by who.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  59. Rev,
    I was reading the other day that there are people who say that “science” is an invention of DWM and should be abandoned and the traditional understanding of how the world works by various cultures should be returned to.

    I guess like looking to the witch doctor to treat people with AIDS.
    Really, I saw the person’s picture along with what she said.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  60. Some remember what we got when we got 2 Clintons for the price of one 24 years ago and how hard it was to impede their efforts to turn our democratic republic into a euro-styled social welfare state. Some remember the sense of relief the nation felt that the Clintons and Al Gore were not in power when the World Trade Center fell. Never accountable – always victims. Preventing their return to power should be our highest priority.

    Should Hillary become president, how long do you think blogs like this will be allowed to publish without government guidelines on “fair” political speech?

    crazy (d3b449)

  61. Exactly like stigma has become a Mark is shame, mind arson is a nastty thing, many of the same people, not all turned against the huntress, or merely pitied her, that was the benchmark I see.

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. Its like supporting maduro, the semblance of a national assembly is a dead letter.

    narciso (d1f714)

  63. 65… nothing crazy about that, crazy. Sounds like being prudent to me.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  64. Sometimes MD in Philly, these mindless leftist’s get so caught up in their man-hating, white blaming indoctrination they loose all touch with reality. They should be encouraged to go to deepest darkest Africa and prove their theories.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  65. yes, our supposed betters in the elite do engage in brusque categorization of white, conservative, rural, non-Ellis Island wasp or scots-Irish into the Evangelical.
    I think my comment alluded to the possibility that when a person sees the demographic survey at the end of the warranty form, those more conservative people might just check Evangelical regardless of the depth of their commitment to scripture. Thus the Evangelical community is inflated in size with less true believers but more casual categorants who give 2 spits about abortion, ssm.
    The blogger (Cobb) whom I saw Pattericos site link on first stated that Evangelicals being the 200 pound gorrilla of the conservative movement; the smaller core also has the original sin of putting Carter over the top in 76 and giving Obama fair hearing in 2008.

    urbanleftbehind (2fbf51)

  66. Yes there is the social gospel cohort that applies to the letter group.

    narciso (d1f714)

  67. 68. Like you, Col Haiku I know how vital it is to stay focused on the mission.

    crazy (d3b449)

  68. If one throws out reason then we go back to rule by the strong, power not persuasion.

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. And the in certainly wants to be able to work through the former, or reparations.

    narciso (d1f714)

  70. Boko haram, anyone? The Age of Enlightenment is still in its infancy and its coming was celebrated in the slave states by making it a crime to teach slaves to read. In most of the world, for most of history, knowledge has been the jealously guarded privilege of the oligoi, from the Egyptian clergy (hieroglyphics=sacred marks) to Confucian scholars to the Druids to the medieval Church.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. And why is education so goshdurned important to all y’all anyhow? Y’all looking to be some kind of elite? Don’t git uppity, thinkin’ yore better than the rest of us cause you got yoreself some book learnin’.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. Reasoning skills not npr palaver, how long before we go back to leeches and bleeding.

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Good Times.
    Any time you hear the truth – Good Times.
    Any time you meet a friend – Good Times.
    Any time teh over’s under.
    Not hearing bullsh*t, not getting played
    Keepin’ your head in the sunshine
    Holdin’ your tongue when you can.

    Brayin’ Never Trumpers – Good Times.
    Clowns who votin’ Clinton – Good Times.
    Rank pontificatin’ – Good Times.
    Spewin’ and-a hatin’ – Good Times.
    Ain’t we lucky we got ’em – Good Times.

    Wonderin’ about the future
    Watchin’ the downhill slide
    Thinkin’ ’bout how we got here
    Good Times, yeah, yeah Good Times

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. UPDATE: In case I was not clear: the feeling was brief and quickly passed.

    Patterico (6e6b4c)

  75. Jesus, Patterico, I know.

    Miller’s Crossing, 1990

    nk (dbc370)

  76. Could never get into that film.

    narciso (d1f714)

  77. Back to the bottle then.

    papertiger (021e95)

  78. It has a superficial appeal because the Coen brothers are good at their craft, but it does not withstand close scrutiny. It was the Coens sucking up to David Geffen and the Hollywood gay mafia with a perversion of The Glass Key. Even the Gabriel Byrne/Albert Finney friendship had mancrush overtones. But if you take it scene by scene … like I said, the Coen brothers are good at their craft.

    nk (dbc370)

  79. Boko haram, anyone?

    Didn’t they record “A Whiter Shade of Pale”?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  80. I thought it was “Hurdy Gurdy Man”.

    Here’s Sammy Hagar/HSAS with a cover of WSOP you might like.

    nk (dbc370)

  81. Colonel Haiku @ 47

    I love starting the day with a good laugh – these last few weeks I’ve noticed less laughter, in general. Thank Col.

    And, yes, who in their right mind would drive through my neighborhood with a Trump bumper sticker? Good way to get your car keyed. BTW, my comment above about S.C. was intended as a joke; here, I’m not joking. A Trump bumper sticker would put your car and, maybe, you at risk.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  82. Thor, if I would’ve caught the miscreant who tried to scratch the small Romney 2012 sticker off the corner of the rear window of my new Abarth in mid-act I probably would’ve gotten arrested.

    One of the songs off Procol’s best album, I think… http://youtu.be/QN2gSrfoyIY

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. I never mentioned anything about race. why the did you even bring that up?

    thatguyJohn (20e1e6) — 10/22/2016 @ 12:02 am

    Heh.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  84. Let’s not forget there is video of Trump declaring he’s for partial-birth abortion. So her views on abortion and his views on abortion are not different. Remember, Trump’s an opportunistic liar first.

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd) — 10/21/2016 @ 10:37 pm

    It is actually completely irrelevant what either Clinton or Trump’s views are on abortion or guns. I don’t even care what either really thinks about those. I can’t think of a less relevant question. I don’t know for sure what the real views of either of the Bush’s are on either of those things. Bush Sr. was “pro-choice” in 1980. Both of their wives are “pro-choice” by some amazing coincidence.

    The only relevant question is who they’d appoint to the courts, especially SCOTUS. PERIOD.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  85. Hey Thor and others living in our weak-suck state of California, here’s some unsolicited advice to any who visit…

    If/when you drive here, “watch out for the CHP, particularly on the PCH near RSF and around MCAS, not to mention the LAPD further up the 5 and around LBC. Down by SD, go to TJ and eat a street taco, but best avoid the 805 and 15 during RH. If your car is BAR’d, no need to worry about a random CARB check, but remember that CEPEC and and the CGIA can’t yet predict earthquakes, so best to keep an eye on the CALWAS signs in case CALEMA needs to call in CANG and CalREP, in which case you’re already SOL.”

    Here’s a full list… good to know our taxes aren’t being wasted on bureaucracy:

    http://lacoa.org/PDF/ACRONYMS%20AND%20ABBREVIATIONS.pdf

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  86. @79 “In case I was not clear: the feeling was brief and quickly passed.”

    Reads like a whine after JR did walk-through of your pageant dressing room. Give Gloria Allred a call.

    “I am in a dress, I have gel in my hair, I haven’t slept all night, I’m starved, and I’m armed! Don’t mess with me!” -Gracie Hart [Sandra Bullock] “Miss Congeniality’ 2000

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  87. Once upon a time,
    it is my understanding,
    people in the US were encouraged to learn to read so that they could read the Bible for themselves and not be led astray,

    Then they said you can’t study the Bible in school,
    and people stopped learning to read,
    and they were easily led astray.

    Yes, a sweeping generalization and perhaps oversimplification.
    But it looks pretty good as a first approximation.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  88. The “white people are my people” crowd are all evil. Every last one of them.

    That’s a nice racist opinion. It would play well at today’s modern anti-white college campuses. One can be proud of being black, Hispanic, Indian, middle eastern, Asian, mixed or Martian but those damn white boys is evil, every last one of’em. Pure evil I tell ya!
    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 10/22/2016 @ 6:46 am

    It’s racist to say that selecting “my people” by someone’s definition of which race they are is evil?

    One can be proud of being black, Hispanic, Indian, middle eastern, Asian, mixed or Martian but those damn white boys is evil, every last one of’em.

    Cite where I ever said that or admit you provided false testimony against me in order to call me racist. Here, I’ll provide a citation of my own.

    https://truthbeforedishonor.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/raise-up-a-child/

    Note the date of that.

    As she was growing up, I drilled it into her head that there is no such thing as “race.” All people alive today can trace their roots back to Noah, Ham, Shem, and Japheth. Since there is no such thing as race, racism is stupid. I repeated it constantly. And she took me at my word. Race has never meant anything to her in her social life or her dating life. She has dated white guys, guys from India, and black guys. And I couldn’t be prouder of her for her “pigmentation is irrelevant” approach to life. She is very outspoken about that.

    I wrote that in 2009 about when I was raising my daughter. In 2009, she was approaching 21, so what I taught her had taken place nearly a decade prior to that. So I have a long history of saying it’s not okay to claim all those things you tried to claim I support. Proof that you provided false testimony against me in order to call me a racist.

    And you went all emotionalist on me while lying about what I believe in order to call me a racist. That right there is exactly what Leftists do, since you’re so keen on accusing others of doing Leftist things in your emotionalistic “screw logic” attacks.

    John Hitchcock (4edfdd)

  89. No, if Trump goes down in flames, it means Hillary puts three more (and younger) Sotomayors on SCOTUS, and no conservative majority in the House and Senate, even coupled with the White House, will matter much for 40 to 50 years.

    Trump sucks, and Trump may not appoint non-leftists, but there’s a chance. With Hillary it’s a leftist guaranteed banquet for two generations.

    Mitch (bfd5cd)

  90. Do I Want Trump to Win? Sometimes, Yes.

    Do I want the Cubs to win? Sometimes, Yes.

    “The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time.” – Terence Mann [James Earl Jones] ‘Field of Dreams’ 1989

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. the abzorbaloff has been a curse upon the nation for 30 years,

    http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/features/michael-moore-to-trump-voters-youre-legal-terrorists-w446067

    narciso (d1f714)

  92. as to the underlying realities,

    https://indypendent.org/2016/10/21/drifting-donald

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. I’ve decided to write in Evan McMullin. It will be counted in CA. Here is a map of states where he is on the ballot, or an accredited write-in.

    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/evanmcmullin/pages/4/attachments/original/1476284730/map_no_logo.png

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  94. means Hillary puts three more (and younger) Sotomayors on SCOTUS

    She replaces Scalia (bad) and Ginsberg (an opportunity lost), but not necessarily anyone else.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  95. And hey, this should be bipartisan, so here: Obama’s also going to pardon David Petraeus.

    I doubt it. More likely they announce Donald Trump’s arrest for tax evasion and loan fraud.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  96. I have to ask all the Trump supporters: In all fairness, do you never, ever cringe when Trump starts to answer a simple question with yet another non sequitur?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  97. depends on the question, often it’s the latest journolist meme, he’s supposed to respond to?

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. 99: and whose to say Sotomayor doesn’t get some Type 2 aggregated condition. I had said one way for non-Trump conservatives to make penance is to be bodyguards for Alito, Thomas, Kennedy, and grudgingly, Roberts.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  99. McMullen it shall be, and probably Kirk because I don’t want to see Duckworth 24 or 28.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  100. Of course the best outcome would be for him to win and then get impeached, or otherwise vacate the premises, leaving us with President Pence. (I think his plan to avoid that was to fire Pence as soon as he no longer needed him, nobody having told him that he can’t do that.)

    Milhouse (40ca7b)

  101. if gerald ford, were alive you could ask him how that worked, he faced a democratic senate but still the loyal opposition is not that loyal,

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. The only reason to vote for Trump at this point in the game is to abort the plan of the left wing media, including Fox, who all wanted Trump because Hillary could beat him. So vote Trump to screw the media.

    Sindie Carter (e5f6c2)

  103. What about Trump himself wanting Trump to be the nominee so Hillary could beat him? And having succeeded in giving Hillary the Presidency, he is now trying to give her the Senate too? Because he’s a two-faced, double-tongued, short-count New York rip off artist.

    nk (dbc370)

  104. 105. Is that he had his Thursday night hissy fit in July about pulling back the Pence announcement?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  105. I think his plan to avoid that was to fire Pence as soon as he no longer needed him, nobody having told him that he can’t do that

    Well, he could shoot Pence, setting up Ryan as President.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  106. he is now trying to give her the Senate too?

    Well, yes. And his reward is going to be hundreds of no-bid cost-plus road-building contracts.

    Kevin M (25bbee)


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