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10/19/2016

Final Celebrity Deathmatch, Er, Uh, Presidential Debate Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:07 pm



[guest post by Dana]

The third and final presidential debate is tonight at 9:00 p.m. Eastern. The topics include Debt & Entitlement, Immigration, Economy, Supreme Court, Foreign Hot Spots, and *Fitness to be President. Notice that sexual assault is not listed.

With Trump’s numbers plummeting, I am expecting a no-holds-barred-take-no-prisoners eruption of gargantuan proportion from the Republican contender. After all, what better way to stimulate interest in a possible post-election venture, Trump TV? Tonight’s reality show is just a dress rehearsal! Obviously he is vulnerable in any number of areas tonight.

For her part, Hillary is going to have to contend with the untimely release of former television news reporter Leslie Milwee’s claim that Bill Clinton sexually assaulted her while governor of Arkansas. Her video testimony is riveting and believable. However, given Hillary’s almost non-reaction to the presence of three of her husband’s victims at the previous debate, I suspect she won’t be too deterred by this latest revelation. Perhaps more damning to her will be the Wikileak revelations of the past two weeks and her obvious lies about her handling of classified email, as well as her comfy and financially beneficial relationship with Goldman-Sachs, in spite of her demonization of Wall Street.

No matter how it goes, one thing remains certain, nobody with a sound mind is fooled by these two awful candidates. Not really. Because as their recent appearances on the streets of New York City made clear, there is absolutely no doubt that these wanna-be emperors are wearing no clothes. And America is the poorer for it. In so many ways.

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(*If the issue of character comes up tonight, I anticipate both candidates to be struck by lightening. Which reminds me, the little-known candidate, Evan McMullin, is now leading in the latest Utah presidential poll.)

–Dana

294 Responses to “Final Celebrity Deathmatch, Er, Uh, Presidential Debate Open Thread”

  1. God save us from this madness.

    Dana (d17a61)

  2. What on Earth, Dana?

    Donald J. Trump @The Real nk (dbc370)

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    It worked! Now I can follow this thread.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. I’m sorry, nk, too much? They seemed to very nicely make the point.

    Dana (d17a61)

  5. — I wonder how much the artist got for this?
    — I don’t know, but he should have gotten life.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. Different artists. Trump one was mocked, yet tourists flocked to have their picture taken with him. An employee in a building where the Hillary one stood, ran out and was in tears as she laid the statue down and flung her body over Hillary, so no one could see her womanly apparatus. A feminist I read, said that it was okay to have the Trump statues up but not the Hillary one because objectification and all that…

    Dana (d17a61)

  7. those were both disturbing portraits, but considering some of the imagery rolling around in 2008, re Obama and the Huntress, well be thankful

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. I believe Clinton’s cloven hoofs capture her essence quite well. The artist obviously flattered her in the balance of the piece.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  9. as another commenter said in a different context, kim il song complains he doesn’t get press like this,

    http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2016/10/19/lapdogs-heel-aps-spin-of-okeefe-videos-should-make-team-hillary-proud/

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. The artist obviously flattered her in the balance of the piece.

    I agree. Not quite Venus of Willendorf but more feminine than Hillary has ever appeared.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. Burn it down, DJT!

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  12. I want to hear some insults fly!

    Dejectedhead (0c7c2f)

  13. For the record, I decided the topics…” — Chris Wallace.

    Who elected him to decide the national agenda.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  14. no handshake. Maudie will shake Putin’s hand but not Americas Trump?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. She looks like she got that pantsuit from the wardrobe sale of Gerry Anderson’s “U.F.O.”- circa 1970.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  16. “I won’t nominate anyone to SCOTUS who would contemplate using a baseball bat on a colleague.”

    — Donald Trump

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  17. What happened to the sniffles?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  18. that’s some serious vetting, eh, coronello,

    narciso (d1f714)

  19. Protect toddlers from guns! Ha!

    Dejectedhead (0c7c2f)

  20. Finally fixed that mike.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. The first question is what should be a very easy question: the supreme Court, and Trump can’t really answer it. He’s stumbling through it, filibustering a little. He mentioed something about Ruth bader Ginsberg having to apologize.

    Nothing about textualism, originalism what’s wrong maybe with Hillary’s stated philosophy of the Supreme Court standing up dor people, why Cuitizens United was a good decision.

    He can’t answer the question.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  22. “There is no doubt I resect the 2nd amendment.” – Maudie.

    Except there is.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. She’s babbling and back-peddling.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  24. How many toddlers died in that 33,000?

    Dejectedhead (0c7c2f)

  25. The constitution is about supporting majority desires. There it is. The majority of Americans subscribe to this. HRC win that exchange per Luntz, too.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  26. She’s swaying.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. that’s some serious vetting, eh, coronello,

    narciso (d1f714) — 10/19/2016 @ 6:11 pm

    Justice Sotomayor just regaled an audience with how she’d done that very thing vis-à-vis the late Justice Scalia.

    Lefties don’t embarrass easy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. We’ve come to far……

    “You’ve come a long way, baby.” 1970’s again.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. Trump goes: Second amendment, second amendment, second amendment. which is not actually abig constitutional issue. Chris wallacxe wants to get them talking about abortion and Roe v Wade.

    Hillary talks about Planned Parenthood.

    she even mentions Donald trump’s talk about punishment which he retracetected right awy.

    Hillary asked about how far abortion goes. She voted according to Roe v Wade.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  30. Kudos to Chris Wallace. If nothing else, voters have been given a clear and stark contrast.

    Ameriker has no excuse.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  31. If toddlers make it past the abortion clinic they should face a few guns like a Japanese game show.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  32. WTF, Maudie??!!

    Buying a gun is a personal decision.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  33. Clinton needs to be held to account for supporting unfettered abortion thru the 9th month

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. You can rip out the baby in 9th month.

    True. What stops it, Hillary?

    Patterico (bcf524)

  35. The house is on fire and Wallace is asking them why lawns have crabgrass.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. second subject: immigration.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  37. @29 Sammy

    What do you mean the 2nd am isn’t a big constitutional issue? Because it’s settled or not important?

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  38. Hillary’s right, that’s not how it happens. They stab the baby in the head and suction out the brains first.

    Dejectedhead (0c7c2f)

  39. HRC just got away with an ENORMOUS lie. Wallace complicit.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  40. Christ, she looks like she just walked off the set of ‘Maude’ in that pantsuit.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. She’s reading.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  42. Trump has 4 mothers of children who were killed by someone who came across the border illegally. If he was looking for people killed by black people, he’d find a lot more a lot more easily.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  43. “Clinton just denied that partial-birth abortion ever occurs in the ninth month.

    Can we get a fact-check please?”

    – Vodkapundit

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. What TV show character do you think Trump represents, DCSCSCDCSSA?

    Patterico (bcf524)

  45. Trup is now talking about drugs. he’ll first get rid of all the drug dealers.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  46. 38… Word.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. Trump doing well so far.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  48. Bad hombres =sniff=

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. he says dallas, but I don’t see the parallel

    narciso (d1f714)

  50. Damn it, all she does is meet with and defend illegals.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  51. @44– JR Ewing. With a cold.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. Pinandpuller (151723) — 10/19/2016 @ 6:20 pm

    What do you mean the 2nd am isn’t a big constitutional issue? Because it’s settled or not important?

    It’s not a big legal issue. It’s mostly settled. At least the on;y wy something would go is less restriction.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  53. @42 Sammy

    I think the last black people deportations was to Liberia in 1865.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  54. I’m monitoring Clinton for signs of mini-strokes…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. HRC won the abortion round per Luntz. She lied her ass off about late term abortions, but it worked. As it always does.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  56. Four years of her voice.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  57. #56. I’ll tune it out, like the last 4 of Obama.

    Dejectedhead (0c7c2f)

  58. ILLEGAL immigrants. Not undocumented, Maudie. Don’t get your knickers in a twist, dear.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  59. Hillary is taking all positions on immigration and acting like there’s no contradiction.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  60. Why is this bimbo not in jail, Comey?

    mg (31009b)

  61. Increase employment and our GDP, not dependency.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  62. BIGLY

    Patterico (bcf524)

  63. @52 Sammy

    Well Roe and Heller are supposedly settled but abortion people say it’s going away if R’s get in and gun people say they are going away if D’s get in.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  64. Wikileaks!

    Dana (d17a61)

  65. @56- Emergency power, Maudie– shout Reagan!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  66. Ouch, Wallace.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  67. Trump mentions that Obama has deported millions of people. He says nobody knows that but he did. Hillary avcvoids commenting on that.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  68. LOL It’s energy’s fault.. not Lincoln this time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. Waldo is missing the point of granny grifters lies.

    mg (31009b)

  70. What’s important about Wikileaks are the stories they tell.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  71. Remember when liberals loved Wikileaks?

    Dana (d17a61)

  72. Chaff. Boom. SCORE Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Who does she think she’s fooling wearing white?

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  74. Well, at least she did not get away with the open borders lie. How this becomes a Putin issue is beyond me.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  75. But it’s okay that American journalists can collide with the DNC??

    Dana (d17a61)

  76. *collude*

    Dana (d17a61)

  77. Hillary’s speech -> Russian government, Wikileaks

    They’ll get into personal attacks. AShe had also attacked him for employing illegal immigrants to build Trump tower

    Most important question says Huillary is what Trump’s attitude is to Russian espionage.

    Trump notied that was a great picot from open borders.

    (Hillary actually wass talking only about western hemiphere, free trade zone.

    Back into Russia.

    Russia would want apuoppet as U.S. president.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  78. Fake smile! Fake smile!

    This is just like divorce mediation.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  79. Chaff. Score Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  80. 17 intelligence agewncies! Clintons like numbers.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  81. @79– Who gets the snowblower.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. DJT encouraged espionage against us?! Holy shit. Who is Trump and who is HRC at this moment? Wow. he got to her.

    Bigly.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  83. We don’t need a leader Putin likes, we need a leader Putin and others like him fear and respect.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  84. Trum claims she has no idea who it was.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  85. @75 Ed from SFV

    Well in the original Red Dawn the Russians and Cubans came in from the south.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  86. Trump is losing here – because youd have to be a d…fool not to think it was Russia.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  87. R.I.P. Phil Chess, founder of Chess Records — bigly label for blues and early rock & roll

    Icy (1dd25d)

  88. Maude yells at Walter!

    Episode 26, November 16, 1976.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  89. Wallace let her get away with that outrageous attack.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  90. Trump: Putin has outsmarted Hillary and Obama.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  91. Wallace is another asshole who injects himself into the fray, instead of letting the candidates speak.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  92. I don’t think she is going to collapse.

    Ergo she wins the election.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  93. She doesn’t dance well.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. what a bobble head doll she would make

    mg (31009b)

  95. Here comes the hand pointing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. And YOU, out there, Patterico, take out the garbage!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  97. I was just talking to a gal named Carrie outside, who works for an intelligence agency…

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  98. Did I mention it?

    Four years of that voice.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  99. 75,85. Putin ain’t wallowing with pigs…that was for the Soviets and their fake smile multiculturalism

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  100. She’s making no sense.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  101. Hillary says Trump has been very cavalier about nuclear weapons.

    About 4 minute between order ad launch – taht’s why 10 people would not trust Donald trump with nuclear codes. Trump cites number of generals endorsing him/

    Trump says all he said have to renegotoate becaue cannot afford.

    look she’s been proiven to be liar.

    Just quotedf you:

    Trump not going to find aquote.

    Trump says he never saiid nuclear. donald wants to tear up alliances.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  102. But it’s okay that American journalists can collide with the DNC??
    Dana (d17a61) — 10/19/2016 @ 6:30 pm

    — Well, when one invites the other to hang out they’re bound to bang into each other once or twice.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  103. But it’s okay that American journalists can collide with the DNC??

    Dana (d17a61) — 10/19/2016 @ 6:30 pm

    They’re doing everything but bumping uglies, Dana. Oh you meant collude!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  104. Trumpy no look happy

    Patterico (bcf524)

  105. Next topic: the economy

    Predsiction: Trump will not be able to talk coherently on this.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  106. She has to do everything he does, but backwards and catheterized.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  107. I think it’s starting to sink in for Trump that he’s going to lose.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  108. Maybe too worried about hearing her voice for 4 years. Took Randy Travis 3 years to be able to sing a song.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  109. collapse biotch

    mg (31009b)

  110. She speaks in platitudes. She doesn’t think well on her feet.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. Strange lighting on her- -shadow breasts.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  112. “Did I mention it?

    Four years of that voice”

    Not if my vote can help prevent it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  113. Chaff, chaff, chaff…

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  114. We see here again Hillary’s favorite logical fallacy: Argument from authority – and with her economic plan, the authority is rigged.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  115. @111 DCSCA

    The mic shadows and button makes a Jack in the Box on her chest.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  116. Trump talking about telling allies to pay – they need to help balance the US budget.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  117. I don’t think she is going to collapse.
    Ergo she wins the election.
    Patterico (bcf524)

    — It might be highly unpalatable to contemplate, but this is the truth of the matter.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  118. @114 Sammy

    The argument is: Don’t give her authority!

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  119. “”Is that your dream, open borders?”

    Wallace to Clinton.

    Clinton: “I was talking about energy.”

    Can we get a fact check?”

    – Vodkapundit

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. He’s right.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  121. Trump: jobs ahve fled. If he can’t make a great trade deal, he’ll terminate NaFTA.

    H thinks there are a limited number of jobs in the world.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  122. Her husband.. the crutch.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. Clinton: “I was talking about energy.”

    Can we get a fact check?”

    – Vodkapundit

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/19/2016 @ 6:41 pm

    Its half true. Better would be she was talking about a free trade zone.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  124. She is again entitled to her own facts.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  125. So if congress raises taxes on people under 250k is she going to shut down the government?

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  126. Clinton like her husband uses the terms debt and deficit like they meant the same thing. The deficit went down to zero during the Clinton Administration (because of economic growth) but not he debt.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  127. Obama. Another crutch.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  128. He took some hard positions alright.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  129. Hillary tells lies about economics and Trump is an ignoramus.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  130. Was that Trump vodka?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  131. So Clinton’s plan is realistic, Chris Wallace?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  132. Trump says India and China are grwing at 8% and 7% We are growing at 1%.

    But his problem is he thinks China’s growth comesa at the expense of the US and it is azero sum game.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  133. 128… Bada Boom!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  134. Bill and Hillary came to do good, and they did very well.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  135. Trump says they fact checked him once and said he was right.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  136. She’s fought against free market capitalism.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  137. Hillary: Fought against illegal dumping – but Trump bought cheap Chinese steel.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  138. DJT has lost the debate. He had to attack the stew out of her lies with specific truths. He could not allow the same old, same old, back and forth.

    He certainly was given openings.

    Short of physical incapacitation, she takes the oath in January.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  139. 123… Don’t be goin’ all politifact on us, Sammeh

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  140. Trump – why didn’t you didn’t do it over 15 to 20 years.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  141. Home run, Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  142. I’m watching the game, but I’m guessing from your comments that Hillary is out-bulls***ing Trump? She lies and he doesn’t know what the truth is?

    nk (dbc370)

  143. Hillary fought to keep out Chinese steel and Trump brought it in anyway. Has she ever won a fight?

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  144. what is she reading the debunk times

    mg (31009b)

  145. The unaccounted $6 billion at DoS is fact. Wallace will not call her on it.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  146. He was making money.

    She was spending it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  147. Trum; ^ million or iod billion dollars missing from state department. Hillary: not only not true but debunked.

    Hillary 30 years – Chidlrens defense Fund vs sued for discrimination.

    she says she did X at same time trump did Y.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  148. Waldo is a joke

    mg (31009b)

  149. Next segnent: fitness to be president.

    Wallace asks Trump about women

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  150. I was watching the OBL raid on TV, just like COD!

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  151. “Hello, my name is Pussy Galore of Fox News.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  152. Now the reliable power player Wallace makes sure to bring up the women issue.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  153. Nice pivot. Advantage JR.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  154. Trump didn’t know any oof these women. fame or her campaign.

    Says came out that in Chicago they opaid people to cause fights at his rallies.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  155. She’s not fake smiling now.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  156. “I will not add a penny to the debt.”

    THat’s Clinton and I’m just going to go ahead and give that several trillion Pinnocios.”

    — Vodkapundit

    Come on Sammeh, you falling asleep?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  157. “Started by her” — so inarticulate. Nobody knows what he is talking about

    Patterico (bcf524)

  158. Cue the mother: “You killed my son!!!”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  159. not a penny, that eight thousand mile triangular coin in hitchhiker’s guide,

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. Celebrate the deplorables.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  161. Notice how HRC does not bother to even deny the direct accusation of fomenting violence at political rallies? She was sooooooo eager to not let anything distract from her women message. Quite telling.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  162. Trump said those stoiies have been largely debunked.

    Says she mentions this all fictionalized – what isn’t ifctionalized is destruction of e-mails. What happened to FBI – I don’t know. One general otentially 5 years in jal for lying to FBI 4 star general and she lies many times.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  163. Patterico

    Nobody knows what he’s talking about more than Donald Trump.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  164. “To Trump: Why would nine different women all make up stories about your unwanted advances?

    To Clinton: Why would you defend your husband?”

    — Vodkapundit

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. Bone up on your John Wayne and John Ford, Maudie-

    Never apologize. It’s a sign of weakness.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  166. Hillary ot just women. ALso went afetr a disabed reporter. Mr and Mrs Khan. because of their religion. John mCCAin says prefer not careful

    went aganst judge born in Indiana, said couldn’t be tristed to judge because his parents were orn in Mexico.

    Violence at rallies – she cause dthe violence.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  167. Patterico (bcf524)

  168. A lot of things are not responded to.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  169. q about Clinton Foundation.

    HRCL Everything she diud in US interest been roven, proud fof world renowned charity that is the Clinton foundation.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  170. Switched away from the game just long enough to hear him once again deny saying something that he is on tape saying (disparaging the appearance of his grope accusers).

    Icy (1dd25d)

  171. Pivot denied.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  172. I think it’s safe to say that the Country’s interest is the Clinton Foundation’s interest.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  173. Give it back? She’s already spent it.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  174. What would Tony Soprano call Haiti, Maudie?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  175. How many half white 10 year old kids are running around Haiti right now who don’t know their father?

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  176. Trump needs to shut up and let Chris Wallace finish nailing Hillary.

    Dana (d17a61)

  177. Undocumented immigrants are ILLEGAL ALIENS, damn it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  178. He blew the opportunity and Hillary took advantage of the opening.

    Dana (d17a61)

  179. She or her husband show up in Haiti, they had better watch their backs. And 5% of the money taken in by the Clinton Foundation actually goes to charities.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  180. Here again, Wallace gives her a free leash. No probing follow-up on her refusal to address factual issue of pay for play.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  181. Of course it’s rigged. Ask Bernie Sanders.

    These two wretched political parties have rigged this system for decades.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  182. that’s what he’s there for, newscorp was a major contributor to the foundation,

    narciso (d1f714)

  183. My name is Chris Wallace but most folks call me the “Pledge King”.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  184. Ed from SV,

    Trump couldn’t and wouldn’t shut up and let Wallace continue his line of questioning. He did it to himself..

    Dana (d17a61)

  185. Now Wallace is full-on arguing with DJT.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  186. Flag on the play to Wallace.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  187. Is there any doubt that Cruz — who we can concede has likability problems — would have cleaned her clock on substance & issues?

    Icy (1dd25d)

  188. Wallace is pathetic, he won’t shut up when Trump is trying to make his point, but has no hesitation in letting Clinton babble on. Talk about the transition the Clintons made on the WH furniture when they vacated the place.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  189. Not true overall, Dana. I saw one such instance. Wallace always allowed HRC extra-rebuttals.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  190. I thought it was the Walrus, koo koo katchoo,

    narciso (d1f714)

  191. The Emmys are rigged, Maudie.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  192. Otter!

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  193. 187.Is there any doubt that Cruz — who we can concede has likability problems — would have cleaned her clock on substance & issues?

    Plenty. He couldn’t beat Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  194. Paging Al Gore…

    Dana (d17a61)

  195. We have troops in Iraq already, Maudie.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  196. no doubt, icy.

    mg (31009b)

  197. She’s “encouraged”, she should be incarcerated.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  198. Will you candidates here today sign an arbitration agreement to let a Mexican judge settle the election in case of a tie?

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  199. @167- And YOU, Patterico, you STILL haven’t taken out the garbage like I told you to do half an hour ago!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  200. waldo again let’s her off the hook

    mg (31009b)

  201. Everyone ready for a Hillary Presidency? Trump’s done little to sway opinions.

    Dejectedhead (0db7a8)

  202. I’m going back to Mosul

    To Mosul, to Mosul

    I’m going back to Mosul

    I don’t think so

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  203. waldo question her stop her you fox a hole

    mg (31009b)

  204. 187… Yes, too bad he wasn’t more well -received… by the American people and the RNC.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. Just a little aside, I was trying to pick up a little Arabic from a podcast because of local demographics.

    “Ramadi” means “grey”.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  206. This isn’t the primaries, Disco Stu. Answer the “would have cleaned her clock on substance & issues” part!

    Icy (1dd25d)

  207. The Wiki Witch of the West’s broom is on fire.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  208. well I think gingrich could have put in a better performance in 2012, and guiliani the time before, but I was outvoted,

    narciso (d1f714)

  209. Now, Wallace insists on fact-checking prior debate and only once did he fact check HRC in the debate HE is moderating.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  210. “John Podesta said some horrrrrrrible things about you, and boy was he right.”

    L.O.L.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  211. Ten more minutes of torture.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  212. That was wild when all three were cackling,

    mg (31009b)

  213. So . . . he refused to say that he will accept the results of the election?

    Icy (1dd25d)

  214. I hate that head bob of hers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  215. How many toddlers get killed in non no fly zones?

    I fought for no fly zones for African American children in 1970.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  216. Women and kid terrorists welcome.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  217. #215. Hillary only cares about the toddlers threatened by 2nd Amendment guns.

    Dejectedhead (0db7a8)

  218. “So . . . he refused to say that he will accept the results of the election?”

    That’s going to be the focus of the Loser News Network until it enters bankruptcy.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  219. Trumps correct. The Clinton Foundation is a criminal enterprise and has been for years.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  220. Trump is right.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  221. This debate is a f*cking embarrassment. If I were Chris Wallace I’d just walk off the set. We are so f*cked.

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  222. DJT won significantly on points across more issues tonight. Big whoop.

    The takeaway hammered into our brains by the media will be his refusal to unconditionally accept results.

    And he needed a TKO at the least, anyway.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  223. @218 Rick Ballard

    Would you accept the results of your trial if you learned the judge and DA were in bed with each other?

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  224. “Clinton isn’t going anywhere near her husband, but that’s probably par, yes?”

    — Vodkapundit

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  225. We are so f*cked.

    Leviticus (03bf59) — 10/19/2016 @ 7:26 pm

    It is known. So say we all.

    Dejectedhead (0db7a8)

  226. @221. It’s boring.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  227. Without spit.

    nk (dbc370)

  228. As Susan Pouter used to say, “It’s debt that’s making you indebted!”

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  229. She adds “not a penny to the nat’l debt”?

    Horsesh*t

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  230. She’ll go “where the money is”

    Total truth.

    Dejectedhead (0db7a8)

  231. And Wikileaks has shown that Clinton wants Obamacare to tank.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  232. @227 nk

    I’m sure Hillary can offer you all sorts of warming solutions. D*ck tested, Huma approved.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  233. right, with all the talk of hacked voting machines, you think red queen will accept a reasonably close victory?

    narciso (d1f714)

  234. It’s Hillary

    Ms. Clinton if you’re nasty

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  235. she knew the question was coming, what a joke.

    mg (31009b)

  236. and now Wallace thinks he is a SCOTUS Justice and rips up the contract because he feels like it.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  237. I’ve seen the president up close, but I prefer not to.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  238. Chris Wallace ask about the Wikileaks revelations at all.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  239. I label this a tie.

    But then, that’s an insult to neckwear.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  240. Asians: What about us?

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  241. good closing, Trump.

    mg (31009b)

  242. The takeaway hammered into our brains by the media will be his refusal to unconditionally accept results.
    — The problem with “Rigged, rigged, rigged!” is that it’s a limited stratagem: red meat to keep the fanatics from straying, and a desperation pass towards (mostly uninterested) Bernie supporters.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  243. First thing out of CBS panel: “Rigged.”

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  244. Out of Meagain Kelly, too.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  245. this was the dweeb who perky katie resorted to, in the link,

    https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/788930279842779136?lang=en

    narciso (d1f714)

  246. Have you ever heard the winner complain that the contest was rigged?

    nk (dbc370)

  247. the rigged replies were rigged.

    mg (31009b)

  248. Show me a sore loser and I’ll show you a guy who lost.

    nk (dbc370)

  249. The ignorance of the Luntz group is astounding and a perfect reflection of our polity.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  250. “Clinton says she’ll save entitlements by raising taxes on the wealthy, which is like putting an eyedropper of scotch in my glass and telling me it’s a drink.”

    — Vodkapundit

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  251. Icy,

    It’s not a bad marketing stratagem wrt the target market for the Loser News Network. The typical Loser News viewer is very likely to have the same death grip on innumeracy as the fervent Trump supporters in the primaries. The revenue problem for Loser News is going to be the very low disposable income numbers among the target audience. You actually have to own a home in order to be dumb enough to take out a reverse mortgage.

    Rick Ballard (1919a4)

  252. They talked about several other matters. One issue was the offensve in MOsl which pivited to Aleppo. Trump was saing a lot of things at random., some of whihch made sense, but it didn’t get anywhere. If regaining Mosul benefits Iran then doesn’t fighting ISIS in syria do that, too??

    And he had to throw in about refugee terrorism, but he still clled it the Great Migration and had to defend his earlier claim taht Aleppo had de facto fallen. he said several times it was terrible.

    Trumpp had this thing about 3 months warning so ISIS leaders could get out of MMosul (where they ever really there?) and Hillary spoke again about “lleverage” again

    Some or all of what she was saying – everywhere – was over eople’s heads, but her arguments and lies cold wihthstand quite abit of examination.

    Trump said Hillary shouldn’t be allowed to run. I must have missed her impeachment which is the only disaualification besides the 22nd amendment and some basic minimum eligibility requirements.

    Siscuassasion about debt and Chris Wallace gave them both an unexpected final opportunity to make closing statements.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  253. well they have dropped into contention with vanderbilt and madcow, some kind of gypsy curse, still if ted turner were still alive, cnn wouldn’t be in this shape,

    narciso (d1f714)

  254. Looks like four years of a lecturing, pantsuited, fingerwagging 1975 feminist: Maude.

    Get use to it: “And in conclusion, YOU, Patterico, I told you to take out the garbage almost two hours ago!

    “My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.” -‘Bluto’ Blutarsky [John Belushi] ‘Animal House’ 1978

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  255. I thought DJT blew the closing statement. I was wrong. Luntz group was much more impressed with his, per the dials over those 2+ minutes.

    Also – nary a mention of the partial birth discussion on the shows as far as I can tell.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  256. Turner should have stayed away from Hanoi Jane. Thats when that boulder started tumbling.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  257. that was a joke, they really have flushed out their legacy, so that tridelts like brooke baldwin seem like salutatorians,

    narciso (d1f714)

  258. I started posting a bunch of debate commentary in the wrong thread crap OK here now

    Patterico (bcf524)

  259. Anyway my main point there was, they are going CRAZY over Trump not pre-agreeing that the election was fair BUT THE ELECTION DID NOT HAPPEN YET AND DEMS STEAL ELECTIONS ALL THE TIME

    AND COMPLAIN THAT ELECTIONS WERE STOLEN ALL THE TIME

    Patterico (bcf524)

  260. And I can’t believe that agree with the Trump flacks on that but I do

    Patterico (bcf524)

  261. 170. Icy (1dd25d) — 10/19/2016 @ 7:01 pm

    Switched away from the game just long enough to hear him once again deny saying something that he is on tape saying (disparaging the appearance of his grope accusers).

    Hillary later cited a specific starement.

    Now maybe Trump could say he never gave the appearance of his accusers as his principle or only defense, and he didn’t do it with every last one of them, but he did do that with a few and it was meant to settle the case – to trump all the other arguments. (and in some case it seemed like maybe he was commenting on their appearance now, and not then) I think Trump claimed the accusaitons had bene debuked (not sure if he claimed all of them had)

    Trump said they either did it for fame or were put up to it by the Clinton campaign and the Clinton campaign had sponsored violence at his rallies.

    Trump also claimed he had been against the Iraq war. Hillaey said google it and you can even listen to the audio.

    Oh- and this Trump didn’t know – but Bill Clinton told abigger and ore gegregious lie about his position on the Persians Gulf War in 1991 – in 1992 he claimed he’d supported it and was the only Democrat running for president who had.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  262. @244 Colonel Haiku

    Out of Megyn’s, whatever.

    Pinandpuller (151723)

  263. Trump said je;d found out in Florida tha the Clinton Foundation is hated in Haiti. Hillary did nothing to dispute that, bt the subject matter was not elucidated for the public.

    And I want to know about the missing $6 billion at the State Department.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  264. colin powell was a little less tactful on the subject,

    clearly trump wasn’t an affirmative statement, as stern pointed out, it was more ‘lets get on with it’ he had made more forceful arguments in 2000, as part of his reform party effort,

    narciso (d1f714)

  265. You don’t want to be hated by Haitians. They’ll do voodoo on you. On the other hand, Haiti is a corrupt cesspool and the hatred probably means that the Clintons did not give the aggressive beggars all the pelf they thought they were entitled to.

    nk (dbc370)

  266. makes you wonder, about events a month back, the santeros, they call them hougans, were enlisted into duvalier’s service, he was more anthropologist then doctor,

    narciso (d1f714)

  267. Hillary was claiming that Clinton Foundation was a very highly rated charity (talk about rigging something) and they spent 90% of their donations on charity while the Trump Foundation bought a portrait of Donald Trump. Trump said ikt was a small foundation and they didn’t buy boats etc and they spent 100% of the money they got.

    Hillary said we couldn’t know what the Trump Foundation does because Trump does not release his tax returns – but foundations do release them, at leasst if they want to be able to copntinue legally reaising money (The Trump Foundation did delay and lost the right to raise money in New York recently mabe temporarily)

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  268. ‘Grand Theft Voto’- in the stores for Christmas, from TrumpGames.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  269. yet the clinton foundation oddly is not in schneiderman’s purview,

    narciso (d1f714)

  270. Hillary said when did Trump think america was great. Mayeb before her and Obama but he paid $100,000 for an ad in the New York Times in 1987. Trump actually readily admitted he;d disagreed wih ronald Reagan on trade (a name Hillary did not mention – she only said 1987)

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  271. Haitians may hate Hillary, but all the ones I know at work are going to vote for her. (To keep it clear, all of them are naturalized citizens.)

    Kishnevi (52f196)

  272. Hilary also mentioned he lawsuits and Trump said something about riasing the American flag. Theer were actually two lawsuits against Trump golf ocoutes settled by means of agreeing to donate money to charity. ne was about a prize for a Hole on One that an insurane company had refused to cover.

    They also never descrobed what was the tax provision that Warren Buuffett and George soris also used (according to Trump) taht Hillary never tried to get rid of.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  273. Well, it’s not actually Hillary they allegedly hate, but the Clinton Foundation.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  274. Posted this in the other thread but maybe should have done it here.

    This is the only debate I watched.
    If I was a LIV, I would probably think she would be a better POTUS.
    –She had wonky policy details, he had slogans and vague promises about how he would make great deals.
    –I wouldn’t know what he was talking about when he referred to the Project Veritas videos, and Haiti, and wouldn’t know enough to understand Wallace’s references to the Wikileaks emails. And if it was left to Trump, we would have no references to them. In fact, she made better use of them than he did as a point of attack.
    –She looked calm and collected, like a polite hostess. He looked stressed and petulant.
    —And final point: he looked like he had health problems, but not her. For one thing, he looked flushed and orange skinned. Maybe the make-up was rigged?
    Of course, I know about the videos, etc and know how corrupt she is, so I won’t vote for her. But LIVs….

    Kishnevi (52f196) — 10/19/2016 @ 8:17 pm

    Kishnevi (52f196)

  275. buffet doesn’t pay taxes because of carried interest and the foundations he directs.

    it’s not an easy thing to explain, when the press has a media blackout on any news of substance,

    narciso (d1f714)

  276. and this was the wider point about the earlier thread, they have pulled this stupid gotcha, abramson and mayer, would have had a much narrower career path with accusers, brodderick, perdue and company, might as well not exist,

    narciso (d1f714)

  277. Is 10-2 the same as 8-0? But there are two innings left.

    nk (dbc370)

  278. And how to garnish tonight’s food fight?

    Have Fox News declare Chris Wallace the winner of this debate.

    “You have entered the ‘no-spin’ zone!”- Bill O’Reilly hype, Fox News TV

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  279. That Trump statue is incorrect. His hands are much smaller.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  280. The Democrats have still not conceded the 2000 election. Not really.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  281. they were hoping for something like the aftermath of the 1824 election, when adams won, but jackson still doubted hte result,

    narciso (d1f714)

  282. 279. nk (dbc370) — 10/19/2016 @ 8:41 pm

    Is 10-2 the same as 8-0? But there are two innings left.

    10-2 is better. It means there’s some offensive capability.

    I don’t know what the record shows, but I suspect more games are recovered by the teams that are losing from 10-2 than from 8-0. Maybe there are not enough of them. Try 4-2 and 2-0. I think 4-2 is better. 5-2 is better than 3-0.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  283. 277. narciso (d1f714) — 10/19/2016 @ 8:31 pm

    buffet doesn’t pay taxes because of carried interest and the foundations he directs.

    that makes Trump out to be liar, or someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, because the big thing in Trump’s case was “net operating loss” that was passed rhrough. and the kicker is, the loss probably was, in large part, of borrowed money that he eventally didn’t have to pay back, [but the forgiven debt was not added back to his income. (President Cllinton signed the big big billin 1993 that restored that provision that had been substantually removved in the 1986 tax bill)

    And also some of the loss was depreciation. Of course the cost of a building or any investment is a business expense, like the cost of cost of goods sold is – except that often the value of a piece of property doesn’t drop so it should really, really, be considered capital and not a business
    expense.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  284. “They live in a confined coastal cocoon. They went largely to the same schools, intermarried, traveled back and forth between big government, big banks, big military, big Wall Street, and big media — and sound quite clever without being especially bright, attuned to social justice but without character. Their religion is not so much progressivism, as appearing cool and hip and “right” on the issues. In this private world, off the record, Latinos are laughed off as “needy”; Catholics are derided as near medieval and in need of progressive tutoring on gay issues. Hillary is deemed a grifter — but only for greedily draining the cash pools of the elite speaker circuit to the detriment of her emulators…”

    http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=9529#more-9529

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  285. buffet could pay more, if he felt so inclined but he doesn’t, the real life analogue of beatty’s character in network, is not some charming old man,

    narciso (d1f714)

  286. #287 Colonel Haiku, I read that VDH column earlier this evening. He hit it out of the park, as usual. The Beltway/Manhattan elites always like to cite Kentucky and West Virginia as places where in-breeding takes place, but those Beltway/Manhattan elites are actually the ones who marry among themselves. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  287. True that, Cruz Supporter. True that.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  288. Obviously, Anderson Cooper didn’t tell Donald Trump about these pills…

    http://www.healthreportz.com/POPS/fsh/iqcompliant.html

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  289. NPR fact check: Includes facts like how far back Hillary was promising to use Citzens United as a litmus test for Supreme Court justices and that there have been other decisions that lifted restrictions on political speech.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/10/19/498293478/fact-check-trump-and-clinton-s-final-presidential-debate

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  290. 292.

    Obviously, Anderson Cooper didn’t tell Donald Trump about these pills…

    http://www.healthreportz.com/POPS/fsh/iqcompliant.html

    Looks like he di actually, and Donald trump used them for the end of his campaign:

    http://www.healthreportz.com/POPS/fozdt/iqcompliant.html?path=dtb&siteid=1148&campaignid=21666&placementid=45203&channel=News&subchannel=National+News&c=0.0186535&sxid=bmhv5aceumng

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)


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