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10/14/2016

Trump to Blame Groping Scandal on . . . Mexican Billionaire

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am



Yesterday Donald Trump blamed a shadowy group of globalists, media organizations, and bankers for everything that ails us. As early as today, the Wall Street Journal reports, we’ll learn more about the folks behind this supposed conspiracy. Trump will say the group includes Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim, a large shareholder in the New York Times, which was at the vanguard of the GropeGate stories:

Donald Trump will broaden his attack against the media to hit globalism and the Clinton Foundation by charging that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim is part of a biased coalition working in collusion with the Clinton campaign and its supporters to generate news reports of decades-old allegations from several women.

Mr. Trump, defiant and enraged in speeches on Thursday, flatly denied charges he had made inappropriate advances on the women over the past three decades.

“What they say is false and slanderous in virtually every respect,” he said at a rally in West Palm Beach, Fla., on Thursday, the day after the New York Times and other news outlets published accounts of women who said he had fondled or kissed them against their will.

As early as Friday, Mr. Trump is planning to claim that Mr. Slim, as a shareholder of New York Times Co. and donor to the Clinton Foundation, has an interest in helping Hillary Clinton’s campaign, according to a Trump adviser.

The fingerprints of Trump campaign CEO and ex-Breitbart chairman Steve Bannon are all over this attack. Here’s a passage from a Breitbart article from February detailing a discussion between Bannon and Trump about Slim:

“Carlos Slim came in and I believe he now owns up to 15 percent [of the New York Times]. It’s an open secret in the newsroom that Carlos Slim is the guy that’s going to bail out the Times,” Bannon said, noting that some believe he “was looking for a platform to influence American policy.”

“Well, certainly, people should know about it,” Trump responded. “They may be doing the work of somebody else. We really don’t know that. Certainly a very rich Mexican owns a big chunk of the paper and has a lot of power over the paper.”

See, the problem is not that Trump is a pig who openly boasted about grabbing women’s privates without their consent, and about bursting into rooms where women and teenagers were dressing so he could see them naked — all of which ended up getting corroborated by multiple witnesses. No! That’s not the problem at all!

The problem is [voice lowers to a whisper] that Mexican billionaire.

And here I thought Trump was going to be blaming The Jews.

Maybe that will happen Monday.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

532 Responses to “Trump to Blame Groping Scandal on . . . Mexican Billionaire”

  1. You could almost say that there’s a vast left-wing conspiracy….

    Edoc118 (2f840e)

  2. i don’t trust the new york times

    i think they make stuff up i really do

    they’re very bias

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  3. I don’t need truthy news, Fake but accurate didn’t used to fly among my set.

    It’s of more moment to me, however, that Hillary not gain access to power unbridled by any checking force.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  4. What’s the lawyer word for simple minded , ready to suck up any swill delivered by notorious fabulists?

    Ah!
    credulist – definition of credulist in English | Oxford …

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/credulist

    credulist. noun. A believer; a credulous person. Origin. Early 17th century ; earliest use found in Thomas Gainsford (bap. 1566, d. 1624), soldier and historian

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  5. Hahaha!

    It’s always those mexicans with Trump.

    Mr. Trump, defiant and enraged in speeches on Thursday, flatly denied charges he had made inappropriate advances on the women over the past three decades.

    Poor guy.

    “I moved on her like a b@@@@, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married.”
    “I did try and f@@@ her. She was married.”

    “Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
    “Grab them by the p@@@y. You can do anything.”

    These are direct quotes. Trump knew this stuff would come up, but the only reason he would care is if he wanted the GOP to beat Hillary. Trump has made it clear for a long time that he doesn’t really mind Hillary being president, and he definitely minds if someone like Cruz is the GOP nominee.

    If Trump had to vote between Cruz and Hillary, he would vote Hillary in a heartbeat. And that’s essentially what he’s accomplished with his candidacy.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  6. A budding Criswell with his own, personal Plan 9!

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  7. It’s one thing to say “I don’t think we should care about sleazy sex scandals because this time it’s the Team R guy.:

    It’s another thing to say “I wish I lived in a magical unicorn universe where bragging about groping women didn’t destroy a political campaign that I think is The Most Important Election Ever again.”

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  8. You will be with the toast whether Trump wins or not. Remember there are consequences to your decisions.
    “And here I thought Trump was going to be blaming The Jews.” Wow i detect some hatred.

    Aram Hagopian (0f363a)

  9. Not always Rustin. There’s the D.C. (com)Post.

    Ted Cruz says he will vote for Donald Trump after heated rivalry
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/23/ted-cruz-endorses-donald-trump-after-heated-rivalry.html

    Trump embraces ‘wonderful’ Ted Cruz endorsement, but Cruz supporters denounce

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/24/trump-embraces-wonderful-ted-cruz-endorsement-predicts-victory.html

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  10. Fish on!

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  11. You will be with the toast whether Trump wins or not. Remember there are consequences to your decisions.

    I’m not keen on toast, can I be with the eggs instead?

    Your threat has me quaking in my boots.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  12. Let’s not pretend this is a Gary Hart taking a break from the campaign to bounce strumpets on his boat.

    You think Gary groped any staffers? I mean the NYTimes reported it eventually, so I’m conflicted.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  13. It makes no difference to some that the choreographed collusion has never been more blatantly obvious.

    Bait not even required they so hungry!

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  14. Unnecessary slander at the end of your article Patterico.

    Very unbecoming and crude.

    Do you blame Soros for many of the ills we face? Is that a Jewish slander or a fact?

    There are evil men who profess all religions. Your bald face attempt at bringing up the Holocaust is appalling.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  15. “Trump will say the group includes Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim, a large shareholder in the New York Times, which was at the vanguard of the GropeGate stories…”

    A Slim smear?

    “He slimed me.” – Dr. Pete Venkman, [Bill Murray] ‘Ghostbusters,’ 1984

    _________

    What’s not to like:

    He’s wealthy.
    He’s successful.
    He’s white.
    He’s Presbyterian.
    He has a pretty wife.
    He has lovely ex-wives.
    He has attractive children.
    He has a Jewish son-in-law.
    He has hired lots of Mexicans.
    He has lots of property.
    He has several smartphones.
    He has expensive suits.
    He has more expensive lawsuits.
    He has a big airplane.
    He has a cool helicopter.
    He has money in the bank.
    He has plastic in his pocket.
    He has an entrepreneurial spirit.
    He has a very smart tax accountant.
    He has his way with the ladies.
    He has hotels around the globe to stay in.
    He has golf courses around the world to play on.
    He likes to eat pizza with a fork.
    He likes to tweet.
    He likes to kiss.
    He likes to use Tic-Tacs.
    He likes to sniff.
    He likes to bluster.
    He likes to wheel and deal.
    He likes to win.

    And he lives in a magnificent, golden tower in that ‘shining city on hill’ with a lifestyle and attitude nostalgic Reaganites and most-driven Americans enviously dream, swoon and aspire to. What’s not to like?…

    “Oh right- New York…” – Steve Martin, SNL monologue

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  16. Dustin, I am sure we have sincere disagreement on what import an HRC victory might have. I think you drastically underestimate what’s to come, and threat to your (and any american’s) ability to even attempt to counter her with speech.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  17. Mexicans are to blame for everything. Mexicans workers, Mexican judges, Mexican newspaper shareholders. Remember the Maine!

    nk (dbc370)

  18. Donald Trump will broaden his attack against the media to hit globalism and the Clinton Foundation by charging that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim

    i don’t really see the part where he’s hitting “globalism”

    it’s enough to ask why this skeevy slimy billionaire guy is so eager to lose money by investing in a faltering pseudo-journalistic enterprise like the nyt

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  19. There have been reports that Bannon embraces anti-Semitism, NJRob.

    DRJ (15874d)

  20. also i don’t see the scandal

    you have a tiny handful of chippies with no proof whatsoever alleging behavior that’s not even particularly interesting

    scandal is more like when bill clinton rapes women with his herpes penis

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  21. But it’s smart of Bannon and Trump to blame a Mexican. It worked in the primaries.

    DRJ (15874d)

  22. I’m going to go and read a 1960s spy thriller now, from when someone could be shot for saying that Kruschev is a strong leader and Deng Xiaoping did the right thing in Tianamen Square, not be chosen the GOP nominee for President.

    nk (dbc370)

  23. Several things can be going on at the same time: that is, (1) this is coordinated, the press is biased against Trump and the Clinton campaign (or surrogates/allies) are pushing it;

    AND (2) Trump is a reckless, immature person.

    It doesn’t have to be either/or.

    Some of these charges may be exaggerations or outright lies; but given what we know no one believes they are completely made up.

    Okay, no one minus the usual suspects.

    SteveMG (34c52e)

  24. Mr. Bannon was super best friendsies with Andrew Breitbart and Peter Schweizer

    happyfeet (a037ad)


  25. Other people’s thoughts they ain’t your hand-me-downs
    Would it be so bad to simply turn around
    You cook so well, all nice and french
    You do your brain surgery too, mama, with a monkey wrench

    Little miss, little miss little miss can’t be wrong
    Ain’t no body gonna bow no more when you sound your gong
    Little miss, little miss little miss can’t be wrong
    Whatcha go’n do to get into another one of these here
    Rock ‘n’ roll songs

    I hope them cigarettes are gonna make you cough
    Hope you hear this song and it pissed you off
    I take that back: hope you’re doing fine
    And if I had a dollar, I might give you ninety-nine

    Little miss, little miss little miss can’t be wrong
    Ain’t no body gonna bow no more when you sound your gong
    Little miss, little miss little miss can’t be wrong
    Whatcha go’n do to get into another one of these here
    Rock ‘n’ roll song

    Little miss can’t be wrong

    Songwriters: AARON COMESS, CHRISTOPHER GROSS, ERIC SCHENKMAN, MARK WHITE

    © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC

    For non-commercial use only.

    Data from: LyricFind

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  26. SarahW,

    I am not Dustin but I appreciate your understanding.

    I agree we are in for 4 horrible years with Hillary, but I also think it will be 4 bad years with Trump. I am tempted to vote for bad instead of horrible, but I believe Trump can and will do more to destroy conservatism than Hillary can. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you’re wrong. We’ll never know for sure but I respect both views when they are sincerely held and spoken courteously.

    DRJ (15874d)

  27. @nk:from when someone could be shot for saying that Kruschev is a strong leader and Deng Xiaoping did the right thing in Tianamen Square

    Not in America was that ever true. Is that the kind of America you long for?

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  28. Best friends, hf? Bannon gave Breitbart office space but it was Breitbart’s partner who gave Bannon control after Andrew died. I doubt Andrew would claim Bannon now.

    DRJ (15874d)

  29. And here I thought Trump was going to be blaming The Jews.

    No, some of his “friends” wouldn’t be able to sell him on that. It’s got to fit into his prejudices – which are not even really prejudices against anyone but prejudices about the relaibility of what some individuals are telling him, and so maybe he comes to beleive certain things are true.

    The whole Mexican criminals thing probably came from Ann Coulter, according to Wisxonsin broadcaster Charles Sykes, as told in a New York Times magazine article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/magazine/how-donald-trump-set-off-a-civil-war-within-the-right-wing-media.html?_r=0

    When Trump declared his candidacy in June 2015, the part of his announcement speech that most clearly foreshadowed the campaign to come had to do with immigration. “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he told the crowd at Trump Tower. “They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

    The line struck Sykes as awfully familiar when he heard it. A month before, he had run a segment with Ann Coulter, who had just published her 11th book, an anti-immigration screed titled “¡Adios, America!” Sykes was well aware of Coulter’s views, but he was taken aback when she began a riff on Mexican rapists surging into the United States (a subject that takes up an entire chapter of “¡Adios, America!”). “I remember looking at my producer and going, ‘Wow, this is rather extraordinary,’ ” he told me. “When Trump used that line, I instantly recognized it as Ann Coulter’s.”

    In fact, Corey Lewandowski had reached out to Coulter for advice in the run-up to Trump’s announcement speech. The address Trump delivered on June 16 bore no resemblance to his prepared text, which contained a mere two sentences about immigration. Instead, he ad-libbed what Coulter today calls “the Mexican rapist speech that won my heart.” When Trump’s remarks provoked fury, Lewandowski called Coulter for backup. Three days later, she went on HBO’s “Real Time With Bill Maher” and, amid shrieks of laughter from the audience, predicted that Trump was the Republican candidate most likely to win the presidency.

    So what you have here is aprejudice, not against Mexicans, but FOR some people advising him.

    Sammy Finkelman (e3cf91)

  30. Yeah, wonder why Trump thinks the media is orchestrating coverage to favor Hillary’s election chances.

    Other than that they write op-eds talking about how it is their patriotic duty to do so, it could be because journalists coordinate their news stories with the Clinton campaign.

    Let me know if there are any issues with it, but the donations from Steyer and Wyss are a matter of public record. I’m not mentioning the contract Podesta had with Wyss because you never got back to me on that, and I didn’t want to mention it without getting some sort of response in advance.

    And the story will run tomorrow if it makes A1; otherwise it will hold.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  31. i don’t think Andrew would be very enthusiastic about doing that pig all up in it

    I think he’d stand with our friend Mr. Trump, unshaven and with sleeves rolled up, ready to get help make America great again

    and he’d be giving the new york times the dickens

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  32. get

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  33. And Trump also seems to trust the union at ICE. Which is probably the real source of all this stuff. It’s not taht he knows the union is lying.

    Sammy Finkelman (e3cf91)

  34. You read the books you like, and I’ll read the books I like.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. @26.”I am tempted to vote for bad instead of horrible…”

    I did.

    Absentee ballot arrived yesterday morning, completed and back in the post by dinner:

    [X] Donald J. Trump, Michael R. Pence REP. Down ballot, straight Democrat. First GOP crossover vote for president since the ’80s.

    So kiss the wife and kids, Donald, [no tongues] and go make America great again.

    “You know, those rumors about you and lady friends… they won’t do you a bit of harm.” – President Art Hockstader [Lee Tracy] ‘The Best Man’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. @nk:You read the books you like, and I’ll read the books I like.

    Hey man, if you like books where speech can be punished by death, don’t you mind me. Hillary gets her 270 EC votes, we’ll see a lot of speech get punished, that’s why she’s planning to appoint justices to overturn Citizens United, who made a movie criticizing her.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  37. is happyfeet one person

    when people get the urge to be stupid

    they say something dumb and sign

    happyfeet

    happyfeet (83c5eb)

  38. I agree the media is orchestrating this attack on Trump, and he should fight back. I just hope he doesn’t end up blaming conservatives and Republicans, as he eventually tends to do.

    DRJ (15874d)

  39. omg hello

    manners

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  40. Wouldn’t that be something, get Citizens United overturned and slap every conservative or otherwise-insufficiently-progressive blogger with a lawsuit for illegal in-kind contributions?

    Wouldn’t have to serve all of them. Glenn Reynolds, James Taranto, and of course anybody at Breibart would probably be enough to encourage the others to self-censor.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  41. Trump has always loved media coverage and, like the celebrity he is, he seemed to think that it didn’t matter what they said as long as they were talking about him.

    But ratings are different than votes in a general election (not, sadly, in a primary). You don’t need everyone to watch to get good ratings, but you need a majority of votes in a general election … and Trump doesn’t have them. He’s hit his political wall and I hope there are enough ticket splitters to stop the Democrats from retaking the Senate.

    DRJ (15874d)

  42. People have already self-censored, thanks to Obama, and President Trump would slap bloggers with sanctions if they dared criticize him.

    DRJ (15874d)

  43. Why do you think Trump wants to change New York Times vs Sullivan?

    DRJ (15874d)

  44. The New York Times is more the victim of a disinformation campaign than anything else. The New York Times editors probably believe Jessica Leeds and Nathasha Stoynoff. Rush Limbaugh says there is some trouble with both of their stories.

    If you want to read someththing really malicious (although legally free from liability) read the New York Daily News. And even the New York Post which is now almost turning against him.

    All that beleiving this about the New York Times does for Donald Trump is get him not to try to disabuse them of their notions.

    The New York Times people involved have most likely been sold on the idea that Trump is dangerous or very very bad for policy and that may cause them to run very anti-Trump stores and start to inject opinion and corrections into stories. But I doubt more than a few people there would misinform on purpose. If proven in court, that creates out and out legal liability

    There might be a few. You might get some things planted in the paper possibly. It’s not the paper as a whole. It would be quite a change in circmstances for the paer to allow Carlos Slim or anybody else to dictate false stories – it didn’t happen with CBS either with Rathergate.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  45. I don’t agree, Sammy. The Times has a political agenda. It’s certainly not a pawn.

    DRJ (15874d)

  46. The Times didn’t hesitate to make questionable claims when McCain became the nominee, and then settled later.

    DRJ (15874d)

  47. Donald Trump would not be successful at silencing people, but Hillary Clinton might start some false investigations. The Clintons know how to do that. donald Trump has no idea. He can’t even defend himself.

    Don’t order the IRS to do any audit. I’m sure that’s not the way it happened withh Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers. Instead, being aware of waht prompts the IRS to act, oer pssibly even changing the rules, make an anonymous complaint that will trigger an audit, even one that will turn out to be false because once the audit is started it won’t be dropped merely because the allegation that stated it is wrong.

    Maybe it will turn up something, maybe there’s something they know (thanks to private detectives) that they know there to turn up.

    It’s sort of like SWATting people.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  48. all these worries about President Trump are overblown in my opinion

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  49. Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 10/14/2016 @ 10:50 am

    Wouldn’t that be something, get Citizens United overturned and slap every conservative or otherwise-insufficiently-progressive blogger with a lawsuit for illegal in-kind contributions?

    They are a couple of years away from that – there will also be an attempt tp amend the U.S. constitution, which won’t go anywhere, but it still could have amild intimidating effect. They are a couple of years away from that, but if people saw that was a possibility, lawyers might start warning people, and a decision would ave some retroactive elements to it.

    Wouldn’t have to serve all of them. Glenn Reynolds, James Taranto, and of course anybody at Breibart would probably be enough to encourage the others to self-censor.

    The Western Journalism Center long ago self-censored, when the IRS qualification as a charity was under question – they stopped focusing on the Vincent Foster case, and started to go all over the place, and they have basically avided that topic.

    It would be a question:

    Are you paying too much attention to one story? Or one candidate?
    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  50. I would like to know how bad of an opponent Trump would have to be running against before Patterico would urge voting for Trump. Thank you.

    Andrew (207d6f)

  51. DRJ (15874d) — 10/14/2016 @ 11:02 am

    The Times has a political agenda. It’s certainly not a pawn.

    It’s gotten one. Which is what enables it to be a pawn. Any lies planted in the New York Times have to be carefully prepared, even if they’ve got one reporter or two who is a willing participant in a false story.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  52. Dustin, I am sure we have sincere disagreement on what import an HRC victory might have. I think you drastically underestimate what’s to come, and threat to your (and any american’s) ability to even attempt to counter her with speech.

    SarahW

    Your concerns are completely reasonable. She is almost as much an enemy of free speech as Trump. Both employ lawfare against speech they dislike. Neither care much about the civil rights of the average American. Don’t think I actually think Hillary will be an acceptable risk. It’s just that I think she’s wrong within ‘normal parameters’ as others have said.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  53. I just hope he doesn’t end up blaming conservatives and Republicans, as he eventually tends to do.

    Why would he do a thing like that just because they all run for the hills and validate the 30 year old stories that have no evidence to them ?

    “Eeeeeeek, A MOUSE !”

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  54. But if a lot of NeverTrump goes Trump on Election Day, does NT then hold more sway as the officially observed “margin of victory”? Could not a President-Elect Trump end up kow-towing to NT, out of realization that they were the over-the-top voters. What then is the plank/issue that Trump should reverse himself on that would earn NT support?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  55. So Ted Cruz’s family deserved the slander, because Cruz had the temerity to run against Trump? Carly is ugly and Rubio deserved being called Little Marco? Really, Mike K? You are disappointing me. I actually admired you, which shows I really am the fool you take me for.

    DRJ (15874d)

  56. I would respect Trump if he resigned and let Pence take over, urban.

    DRJ (15874d)

  57. It would show he knows his limitations, but you and I both know he doesn’t think he has any.

    DRJ (15874d)

  58. 46. That was maybe because it couldn’t be defended even under the New York Times vs Sullivan standard because there was a bog question as to whether she was a public figure.

    The libel was settled without a retraction and without payment, but with 3 statements on the New York Times website: One from the New York Times, one a joint statement, and one by Vicki L. Iseman’s lawyer’s, which included some general reflections.

    The New York Times denied that it actually claimed anything beyond a conflict of interest (and that some McCain aides thought that might be the case – and I rtthink it’s actually a question in that case whether they were somebody’s pawn)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/business/media/20note-web.html

    The article did not state, and The Times did not intend to conclude, that Ms. Iseman had engaged in a romantic affair with Senator McCain or an unethical relationship on behalf of her clients in breach of the public trust.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/business/media/20statement.html?ref=media

    The Times has maintained that the article was an accurate, important examination of the record of Mr. McCain, then the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, as an ethics reformer who was at times blind to potential conflicts of interest; the section of the article referring to Ms. Iseman focused on the fact that some top McCain advisers had confronted the senator with their concerns that the relationship had become romantic.

    To resolve the lawsuit, Ms. Iseman has accepted the Times’ explanation…

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/business/media/20lawyers.html

    The suit alleged that the published article communicated by carefully drawn implication that Ms. Iseman and Senator John McCain had an illicit romantic relationship in 1999….The suit further alleged that the article also communicated by implication that Ms. Iseman had unethically capitalized on the implied illicit relationship to obtain favorable action by Senator McCain on behalf of clients she represented.. …This case is now ended, on the basis of an agreed settlement that includes a Note to Readers, a Joint Statement, the publication of this Commentary, as well as the accompanying response on behalf of The New York Times… Defamation suits such as this serve three essential purposes: to redress the injury to reputation and human dignity, to demarcate the line between public and private life, and to advance the integrity of the public record and the quality of political discourse.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  59. DRJ, “damage to conservatism” is practically complete. Worse than that, the delusive phantom of hope that my never trump friends seem to cherish is that’s Phoenix of True Conservatism will arise from the ashes of the house the GOP burned down.

    That isn’t happening. It will be impossible. There might have been! might still be chance to move right from a Trump administration, but only towards the center even with a full fledged failure of trump. peace and prosperity under a Trump would facilitate a move right, and there is no other way to get there. You would have the advantage of limits on executive power gaining lip service or even suddenly being rediscovered as a virtue. That, and free speech and transparent government.

    Cruz is not happening.
    Ever.
    EVER.

    The court may not improve in the way you would have preferred, but the constitution will be destroyed with 8 years of HRC or as long as the republic lasts which may not even be that long.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  60. I actually think the Clintons could fall after they’ve reached the heights.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  61. I think Trump is somewhat evil, but not very effective.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  62. He’s also being victimized right now, and made to look unrepentent, because now he’s being accused of some things he didn’t do that resemble some things he maybe or probably did do, or claimed to have done.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  63. 60. In the literal corporal sense as well. And absolutely no one, not even Secret Service within arms reach, would catch them before they hit the floor however vertically distant that floor may be.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  64. yes yes SarahW but i think you’re accrediting nevertrumpers with a tad more good faith in their arguments than what actually exists in real life

    there’s a lot of butthurt they’re still trying to process

    plus most of them are possessed of a disdainfulness born of attitudes about status and class what operate wholly independently of principle and politics

    i pray for them every night

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  65. “I think Trump is somewhat evil, but not very effective.”

    I can understand that sentiment after watching him parade Clinton’s victims prior to the debate, followed by Cooper baiting him right into a trap, followed by him resorting to Clinton tactics regarding the line of women willing to undergo the Clinton treatment now being dished out by him and his sycophants.

    Rick Ballard (b9de6e)

  66. SarahW,

    I understand Cruz won’t be able to come back from this election, but that doesn’t mean that he and other conservatives can’t have an impact in the future. Conservatism is an ideology, not a person. Just because one conservative fails doesn’t mean the movement can’t succeed.

    DRJ (15874d)

  67. Also, if Obama and Hillary can destroy the Constitution, then I am certain Trump isn’t the person who can save it. I doubt he even wants to.

    DRJ (15874d)

  68. It’s rich that happyfeet claims those who oppose Trump lack good faith. Complete lack of self-awareness.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  69. SteveMG (34c52e) — 10/14/2016 @ 10:22 am

    Some of these charges may be exaggerations or outright lies; but given what we know no one believes they are completely made up.

    I think it;s adefinite possibility that the most recent charges are completely made up.

    Enough is known that is true, so that now public discourse can be seeded with false charges against Donald Trump, charges that “improve” somewhat upon the reality. In a damaging way, yes, but still mildly and plausibly.

    With regard to Jessica Leeds, and being like an octopus, the issue ism that first class seats didn’t have arm rests, and that Braniff did olt 707s, which are very noisy, but rather 727s.

    With regard to Natasha Stoynoff, she didn’t only say that when Melania Trump went upstairs to change her clothes, Donald trump jumped on her, somehow without fear of her crying out or telling anyone, but also that she later on saw Melania Trump on the street, and Melania Trump says she never met on the street with her baby, and Natasha Stoynoff didn’t aqueeze her hands, as she claims. Of course Melania Trump also presumably would lie about all of this.

    There’s another person in California scheduled to give a press conference today. Whatever she says just needs to be cross checked.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  70. I doubt Mr. Trump knows a great deal about the Constitution anyway, DRJ.

    And it’s a weird world.

    We have someone as non-serious, insulting, vulgar, and nonvoting as Mr. Feet referring to people who oppose Trump from the Right as follows:

    “….i think you’re accrediting nevertrumpers with a tad more good faith in their arguments than what actually exists in real life

    there’s a lot of butthurt they’re still trying to process

    plus most of them are possessed of a disdainfulness born of attitudes about status and class what operate wholly independently of principle and politics….”

    It’s so far beyond ironic, given his behavior, that it needs a new word.

    There are Trump voters who aren’t rude. Who are thoughtful. Some of them maintain that Trump is better than Clinton as an argument, and there is merit there. I would rather see a lot of them; their serious points of view and thoughts on the topic are important, merit respect, and are worthwhile..

    Not so interested in the other type of pro-Trump poster. Why, some of the angry vulgar types—the same people—worked actively against Romney or McCain as “not being conservative.” Yet—again, some of the same people—are relentlessly positive about Trump.

    I’m okay with people who vote holding their noses. I have issues with people who think Trump is a fabulous choice.

    These are the people who, when faced with a choice between Romney and Trump, go on and on about how weird Romney is, while getting irritable about Trump’s, um, unusual aspects.

    This has proved to me the dangers of partisanship. I think the Left knows it, too.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  71. talk soon picklehead

    on a call

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  72. 60. 63. I think it’s well within the realm of possibility that the Clintons will be disgraced. And they won’t see it coming. Of course maybe that’s a tautology – they can only be disgraced if they don’t see it coming.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  73. I think there may be also some Trump voters who are not really aware of the problems with Donald Trump. And they are not all so old, but it helps. Others see some problems – that he is inexperienced, and arrogant.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  74. DRJ I’m talking more specifically of the ideology (that said, there may be fantasies of The great Romney Return, etc, or a successful Cruz reboot hugged in their hear of hearts.).

    The chief salutary effect I am talking about has little to do with trump himself, and the sudden rediscovery by the press and usual suspects,oif the virtues of constitutional protections, and limits of executive and federal power in general. That happens externally, and probably begins as lip service before internalization. But that is a positive change.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  75. But the giant problem we have nowadays, is the press.

    They act as “flappers” or climenoles from Swift’s view of Laputa in “Gulliver’s Travels.”

    They are controlling what information we see, depending on what they wish us to see.

    I have no solutions.

    I see it all the time on the Internet:

    “Trump kisses women against their will”

    But Bill Clinton has been accused of raping and assaulting women.

    “Those women are lying.”

    But I thought women never lied about rape.

    “This isn’t about Bill Clinton. He isn’t running. Hillary Clinton is running.”

    Hillary Clinton attacked some of those women.

    Pause.

    “This was decades ago.”

    So is the stuff about Trump.

    Pause.

    “Trump assaults women and is a horrible sexist.”

    Sigh.

    Why, a very smart woman insisted on my twitter feed that the press letting HRC know questions ahead of time was “no big deal.”

    I wonder what her response would have been if someone had been whispering questions to a Republican.

    This weird hypocrisy is common, and I don’t have a solution.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  76. No biggee!!!

    “THEY’RE ALL PART OF THE CLINTON TEAM: Emails: Washington Post WH Bureau Chief Warns Podesta of New Story.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246382/

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  77. Mr. Feet, I haven’t called you names for a long time, though you heartily deserve it.

    So just get stuffed. I’m not the only person who criticizes your foolish troll act. My guess is that your act drives away good people who are interested in reasoned debate, and attracts more jackwagons like yourself.

    Since you won’t stop being a jackwagon, won’t write like the educated person you actually are, and won’t cease insulting others….

    Just don’t address me any further.

    I know perfectly well what you are doing. You are so damned lucky Patterico puts up with you.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  78. Colonel, our #1 problem is this cheerleading by the press. I would feel the same way if they cheerled for the Right.

    I wish I had a solution. It makes me ill.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  79. Re: The effect of the elelection outcome on conservatism: That kind of thing depends on if someone gets a majority, or if the winner gets under 40% of the popular vote. If the highest plurality winner gets 39%, and the ruunner up 33%, there’s not too much effect on future politics, because nobody’s vindicated and the remaining 28% are swing voters, and nobody really won.

    And there’s a difference between destroying the Republican party and destroying conservatism.

    A Trump victory, more than its opposite, might perhaps tend to destroy conservatism (as we knew it) as a political force, but not to destroy the Republican Party; while a Clinton victory might more tend to destroy the Republican Party as a political force, but not conservatism.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  80. Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/14/2016 @ 12:19 pm

    “This was decades ago.”

    So is the stuff about Trump.

    The Clinton campaign is emoting like it wasn’t. Hillary Clinton is now claiming Donald Trump followed her around on the stage in the last debate, and she was a little disturbed at it.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  81. oh my goodness don’t be a pooper it’s friday afternoon

    this’ll help you end your week with a smile on you noodle

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  82. Mr. Finkelman, I think everyone is very unhappy with the hypocrisy.

    I would just like both sides to state what is intolerable, and then stick by it.

    Most of the public thinks that way, too.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  83. Friday just signals the rapid passage of time and our impending doom. All the things I didn’t get done. Looming deadlines. The 25 fridays until my Audrey Hepburn pants fit. Can it be Monday again?

    FriDDaaaay!

    SarahW (3164f0)

  84. Blaming stuff on Mexicans has worked for him before . . . .

    The Dana who sees the practical benefit (f6a568)

  85. What do you call a brain-dead cultist whose mouth writes checks his butt can’t cash?

    A paper tiger.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  86. 78. Agree with that, Simon, we need an independent press. They now amount to America’s version of Pravda.

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  87. While it is pretty awful that the press is a tool for politicians, it’s not like the GOP doesn’t have the same arrangements. Just last night we saw Fox and Lou Dobbs doxxing one of Trump’s sexual abuse accusers. Trump’s enjoyed such media assistance that it’s possible he wouldn’t be the nominee without that advantage.

    We can’t just flip out when the democrats do it and think nothing of it when the republicans do it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  88. there’s a lot of butthurt they’re still trying to process

    plus most of them are possessed of a disdainfulness born of attitudes about status and class what operate wholly independently of principle and politics

    i pray for them every night

    happyfeet

    You mean I’m sore that Walker, Cruz, or someone like that didn’t win the primary at a time the GOP was poised to make some real progress? Yeah, guilty as charged. But this has nothing to do with status or class or whatever. If you recall I didn’t like Romney much either. It actually is all about my politics. But why would it be about anything else?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  89. Conservatism as we understand it only becomes more marginalized and fringe.
    There is no return now.

    GOPe has cover for everthing. Time to get on the good list because you don’t want on the bad one.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  90. Your bald face attempt at bringing up the Holocaust is appalling.

    Whatchoo talkin bout, NJRob?

    It tends to puzzle me when people fly into a righteous rage about something I never said.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  91. It’s of more moment to me, however, that Hillary not gain access to power unbridled by any checking force.

    I agree with this. That’s why we need to hold on to Congress.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  92. There I go with that “we” stuff again. Tough to break that habit.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  93. There was a Revolutionary War General who heard one of his men say “Pray the Lord is on our side.” He replied “No! Pray we are on His side.”

    The US is, at this time, most definitely NOT on the Lord’s side.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  94. Anyway, noting that blaming a “shadowy group of globalists, media organizations, and bankers” is classic anti-Semitic code talk for “The Jews” is not equivalent to talking about the Holocaust.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  95. Really, Mike K? You are disappointing me. I actually admired you, which shows I really am the fool you take me for.

    Sorry, you’ve gone over to the angry NeverTrumpers.

    I am not sure the nation will survive Hillary, at least intact.

    Trump is far less harmful, although he was by no means my first or tenth choice.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  96. OT, but I lost my bid on the Desoto. I’m slightly pissed at myself. Should have reached a bit.
    One idiot on the bid texted “I’ll pay in cash”. What did he think the auction was, S&H Green Stamps?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  97. Slim is a Lebanese Jew by actual ethnic origin, so host is kinda right.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  98. this weekend’s my first one this year i have free to enjoy fall

    i never had fall in LA, and not really even in Texas

    it’s so beguiling, how everything’s so pretty and the little squirrels are all serious-minded all a sudden and lots of seasonal flavors too

    i had a punkin spice martini at an italian place last week that wasn’t even a little bit hokey

    and i’m a grab me some persimmons this weekend for sure

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  99. But this has nothing to do with status or class or whatever. If you recall I didn’t like Romney much either. It actually is all about my politics. But why would it be about anything else?

    you might could be an outlier

    but there is a too much homogeneousness amongst these nevertrumpies

    and that all of itself might lead one to think a certain clannishness may be a factor in this curious phenomenon

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  100. I am afraid that I side with SarahW and Mike K. that a Clinton presidency will eclipse what is left of the America we recognize. We will be close to the USSR, but voluntarily. Essentially no free press (Radio free America from somewhere), religious freedom will mean that Bibles won’t be confiscated, not much else except what is allowed to exist in essentially regulated churches and synagogues
    Except for Islam, they will be able to do what they want,
    Corruption? We haven’t yet been shown the meaning of the word.

    Trump may not be the one to change things,
    but Clinton will certainly push the pedal down.

    And it will get very ugly before it gets better,
    unless divine intervention does something else,
    But I am guessing he is leaving us up to what we deserve.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  101. What do you think makes Trump angrier: the fact that Carlos Slim is a Mexican, or the fact that Carlos Slim is an actual billionaire?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  102. or the fact that Carlos Slim is an actual billionaire?

    Hahahaha!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  103. Or that Carlos Slim has bigger hands.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  104. I refuse to wallow in the doom and gloom. Yes, both Clinton and Trump are horrible candidates, but the country can survive them. Britain used to be quite socialist, with absurdly high income taxes, but it turned itself around. New Zealand is another example. Even China figured out that Communism was not working.

    norcal (a758f5)

  105. SarahW

    Looming deadlines? What is it-1650?

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  106. If Hillary wins we’ll all be speaking Feminazi.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  107. So why not Charles Delgado?

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  108. William &Mary so your guess was at least 40 years close

    SarahW (3164f0)

  109. Among other things. Lots of other things.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  110. 84 Dana

    Blaming rape on Mexican rapists is a pretty good strategy, you mean.

    Like the recent story I read about the illegal who raped a six year old.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  111. That’s a ROYAL “we.”

    Well not really. But you’ve blog-known me a long time, an by “as we understand it” I meant conservatism that means the government doesn’t own you down to your knickers and what’s under them too, like we were brides of the state, only we are brides in 1650 and coverture applies.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  112. @85 John Hitchcock

    Tranquilo. He’s a papertiger, not a money changer.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  113. SarahW

    The last loom I saw was in Wanted

    That’s all I’m trying to say.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  114. And Vladimir Putin is trying to create a Democratic Civil war.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  115. Pinandpuller (27bca5) — 10/14/2016 @ 2:09 pm

    Like the recent story I read about the illegal who raped a six year old

    how many illegals did not rape anyone? How many girls were raped by people who were not illegal?

    How many illegals were themselves raped, and took the place of American citizens who might have been raped instead??

    Talk about racism..the fact the category is a little bit different than customary doesn’t make this kind of arguing any more admirable. So it’s countryism, not racism. Is it morally superior?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  116. Pinandpuller (27bca5) — 10/14/2016 @ 2:34 pm My looming is active like a verb. Sometimes it’s better for things to loom, because if they don’t they sink your boat. See also Titanic.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  117. Anyway, noting that blaming a “shadowy group of globalists, media organizations, and bankers” is classic anti-Semitic code talk for “The Jews” is not equivalent to talking about the Holocaust.

    Patterico (bcf524) — 10/14/2016 @ 12:56 pm

    1) Soros and his ilk. Facebook. Twitter.

    2)Journolist

    3) Goldman and other banks giving Democrats donations to receive bailout monies.

    When there are actual facts involved it takes the fun out of your conspiracy mongering.

    NJRob (8dee2a)

  118. Banking on a congress checking Clinton into the boards.

    I went through one of those where they didn’t. Rape allegations, money laundering, insider trading, lying under oath.

    Talk about floating a check – that’s a forlorn hope.

    Hell. A Republican super majority in the Senate and House couldn’t even agree on Andrew Johnson.

    You think that something less than, with Lindsey Graham, and Kelly Ayotte, bugling the charge will ?

    Like I said.
    Credulist.

    papertiger (bf0fdd)

  119. Sorry, you’ve gone over to the angry NeverTrumpers.

    I am not sure the nation will survive Hillary, at least intact.

    Trump is far less harmful, although he was by no means my first or tenth choice.

    Mike K (90dfdc) — 10/14/2016 @ 1:01 pm

    In order, I’m not angry.

    You believe America can’t survive liberal Democrats?

    How do you know Trump’s populism, with his consistent attacks on conservative ideas and leaders, will be less harmful than Hillary?

    DRJ (15874d)

  120. Most Trump supporters are concerned that Republican leaders aren’t reliable, and I share that concern. Why is it so hard to believe that some conservatives believe Trump may not be reliable?

    DRJ (15874d)

  121. the daily news is an interesting artefact, from a 2007 piece,

    “We can watch the whales go by, the pelicans go fishing, the kite surfers. It’s an idyllic life…and now Donald Trump comes along and takes that away,” said Jessica Leeds, 62, whose million-dollar property was singled out in Trump paperwork as particularly homely.

    and from the dog trainer, on the eve of the 2008 election,

    “All of a sudden, they were here with their bulldozers taking down the fence, removing and destroying landscape, trees, a walking path, a storage unit just bulldozing through the whole thing,” Jessica Leeds told the Palos Verdes Peninsula News. “They had a surveyor here [who] moved the old fence and put up the fence with some new posts at that supposed property line which I’m not sure whether it is or not without even giving me a survey, without even calling me, without even sending a letter, no notification.”

    narciso (d1f714)

  122. How long are flight manifest records kept?

    It should be easy enough for the special prosecutors at the NYX’s to put Trump and whatsherbucket on the same flight. That’s the least they can do.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  123. the Times has lost 75% of it’s value over the last 12 years, allowing Carlos Slims to buy more of it, extend itself through the obamaphones, the remittances, et al, of course it was the aftermath of the first bailout, that made him primus inter parus,

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. Thank you for the information, narciso. That was clear and helpful, and casts reasonable doubt on Ms Leeds’ claims.

    DRJ (15874d)

  125. Wow Sammy, illegals who are rape victims are the first line of defense for American women. That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all day.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  126. SarahW

    I think it was last season of Vikings where one of the women was looming. The deadline part cracked me up a bit.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  127. DRJ-
    I don’t trust Trump to be reliable at all,
    but I do trust Clinton to be reliably terrible.

    The rest of the world is probably already laughing,
    but if Clinton gets elected
    the world will wonder how the U.S. decided a corrupt ex-first lady and terrible SoS was fit to be president.
    She will be taking candy from a baby domestically,
    and Putin, China, Iran and co. will be taking candy from a baby internationally.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  128. ironically the times is even more anti israel, since carlos slim took charge, too many reporters to indicate, it’s like a whole peace now chapter, now they whitewashed mao, fidel, led to the death of diem, thanks to halberstam, (the pivotal role that moyar assigns to that event) ho chi minh, ortega, re kurtz the fmln re bonner, although shirley christian exercised some restraint,
    the cambodian interlude was perhaps the worse,

    narciso (d1f714)

  129. well how did the world react to christina kirschner, chavez in a dress?

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. Illegal women are the cannon fodder for America’s War on Women.

    No tengo Un Division Jorge Pickett

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  131. now ayers who was trained by the dgi, and wright who was a guest had nothing to do with it?

    http://observer.com/2016/10/obama-just-opened-the-door-for-castros-spies/

    narciso (d1f714)

  132. Two different Jessica Leedses. The gropee lives in New York City.

    nk (dbc370)

  133. narciso, I saw that article on NBC News. I think it’s just bluster from the administration. If we really were going to launch a cyber attack, we’d say nothing about it — before or afterwards. And we certainly wouldn’t leak it to the press. I think the administration is just trying to look tough, and has no intention of going through with it.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  134. Nk

    Maybe Trump went back in time to punish Jessica Leeds and got the wrong one.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  135. “The Leeds police dismisseth us.”

    City Heat, 1984

    nk (dbc370)

  136. possible theory, there’s plenty of other on the record information,

    obama needed russia, because they were the conduit to iran, this is also why he dawdled re syria, even while allowing gulf states a free hand in creating that ‘salafist principality’ and he embraces another enemy, the only ones that actually threatened to nuke us btw,

    narciso (d1f714)

  137. Narciso

    Speaking of Ayers, didn’t his girlfriend get groped by five pounds of nails?

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  138. Nk

    The Leeds Police come to you in your head.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  139. indelicately put, but yes, linda oughton, illustrated how ‘bomb making’ really wasn’t his bag,

    narciso (d1f714)

  140. I refuse to wallow in the doom and gloom. Yes, both Clinton and Trump are horrible candidates, but the country can survive them. Britain used to be quite socialist,

    Britain in those days had us as a shield. Who shields us ?

    DRJ, I Posted that at Althouse earlier

    The article says she lived in Connecticut at the time but there is still no evidence it is true.

    By the way, I think we can survive a “liberal Democrat” since we have done so for 8 years.

    I don’t think we have ever had anything like Clinton. Aaron Burr is as close as I can come.

    Maybe we would have learned if Roosevelt had left Wallace as VP in 1944.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  141. so he chose the gramscian path, of least resistance,

    http://babalublog.com/2016/10/14/cubas-u-s-backed-dictatorship-arrests-cuban-journalists-for-reporting-on-hurricane-damage-without-a-permit/

    they really didn’t take the rejection by colombia well, but obama offers them another gift,

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. When Obama says he barely knows someone the press suspends disbelief.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  143. just like as joel pollak discovered about derrick bell, the template for his courses in race theory at university of chicago,

    narciso (d1f714)

  144. the other part of the story, I was mentioning,

    https://twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/787049037258194945

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. ah the hashtag campaign succeeds, sarc,

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/africa/nigeria-chibok-girls/index.html

    because hardened commanders and innocent school girls are the same,

    narciso (d1f714)

  146. Narciso

    It was so embarrassing when she showed up at the military ball dressed like Carrie White.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  147. she seems to be a behind the scenes player this time,

    https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/20593

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. I don’t follow, now you’re more cryptic than me, lol,re the earlier thread, the person I was speaking of earlier was the huntress, the one disrespected by maverick, who was accused of adultery, embezzlement, megalomania, you conjure it up, they put it out,

    narciso (d1f714)

  149. say what you want about mr. donald the trump

    while you still can

    he’s doing more than anyone else to keep mr. donald the trump from becoming president

    nk (dbc370)

  150. Narciso

    Bill Ayers was going to try and blow up a bomb at a military ball at ft Dix IIRC.

    Carrie White the Stephen King creation.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  151. I knew the first part, he was just not good at it, henry winkler played a manque in a 1975 film, the rebel, and they made a similar reference in running on empty,

    narciso (d1f714)

  152. the man with media, that kim il sung, would envy,

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-decries-wild-west-media-landscape-214642552.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. sissy spacek was the diane oughton character in the first instance,

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. they were already whitewashing the story, then,

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073229/?ref_=filmo_li_tt

    thanks mark felt,

    narciso (d1f714)

  155. Neurotic pubescent girls with “poltergeist” abilities was a Stephen King staple for a while. Arrested development teenage boys with similar abilities, too.

    He could have written this campaign. The plot is right out of Christine. The horror growing gradually with people refusing to recognize it even while falling victim to it.

    nk (dbc370)

  156. from richard fernandez,

    The Saudis and Russians made a big discovery after the fall of the Soviet Union: that you couldn’t beat the United States the country, but you could corrupt American politicians for what amounted, in their world, to chump change. You could spent a billion dollars on some useless piece of Soviet military junk, or you could spend on a junket. The junket was more effective.

    Once they had blazed the trail, the Chinese followed. This system of international “cooperation” was called the “Rule Based International Order”. The Saudis and Russians killed the nuclear power future to prop up oil prices. This was called “Environmentalism”. Then the Wahabi lobby decided to invade the West. This was called “Multiculturalism”.

    now there are late roman republic parallels, jugurtha more or less bribed the entire political class, this was why the war took three commanders ending with marius, who sallust supported but plutarch despised,

    narciso (d1f714)

  157. We even have a guy saying pooper a lot. (In the book and movie it’s sh**er.)

    nk (dbc370)

  158. he was a struggling high school english teacher at the time, ‘but that’s not important right now’

    narciso (d1f714)

  159. “BUT OF COURSE SHE DID. Bombshell: Clinton Sent Intelligence Info To Podesta’s Hacked Email Account.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246402/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  160. so alert status means something, it happened around the 16th anniversary of the attack on the cole,

    http://www.stripes.com/news/aegis-defense-system-helped-stop-missile-attack-on-uss-mason-1.433974

    narciso (d1f714)

  161. A Winkler movie Bill Clinton would love: Night Shift.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  162. years ago, I wrote a posts re the state department couple, caught spying for cuba, for 30 years,

    http://narcisoscorner.blogspot.com/2009/06/tangled-web-of-myers.html?view=classic

    this one is about the middle east connection that cuba has maintained,

    narciso (d1f714)

  163. I don’t care for Trump, but this is an ugly scrum to pile onto.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  164. you couldn’t beat the United States the country, but you could corrupt American politicians for what amounted, in their world, to chump change. You could spent a billion dollars on some useless piece of Soviet military junk, or you could spend on a junket. The junket was more effective.

    Fernandez is my go to guy on all this stuff. Hillary is bought and paid for. Trump is the disrupter of deals and must be taken down.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  165. and his perspective coming from the phillipines is particularly valuable, since the 50s, they have been in the tug of war between the us, and china, the huk then, lansdale’s first success, then the npa, the maoist auxiliary, which played the marighela card, rather inperfectly,

    narciso (d1f714)

  166. Trump has a terrible history with women, being a pig, but the Clinton’s have a history with organized character assassination, being lying grifters. Truly they deserve each other. Hillary apparently defines the “high road” as one that doesn’t leave her fingerprints.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  167. Who would ever have expected Hillary to try to win an election based solely on CHARACTER!?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  168. “NBC Embargoing Full Juanita Broaderick Interview Just Like They Did Before, To Protect Clinton — Just as They Did Before
    —Ace

    If you’re too young to know this, NBC quashed a Lisa Myers interview with Juanita Broaderick in around 1998. They further forbade her from speaking about it to anyone, on pain of firing.

    But word had trickled out about the interview NBC was embargoing — so much so that Brit Hume and others on his show (he used to host Fox’s Special Report) took to wearing “FREE LISA MYERS” buttons on-air, if I remember right.

    At some point an edited version of the interview was released — conveniently, I think, after it could no longer harm the Clintons’ various elections.

    Or so they thought.

    Michael Isikoff, who was a leading reporter during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, said in a Thursday discussion that NBC should release a 17-year-old tape of an interview that it conducted with Broaddrick. Broaddrick has long claimed that the interview that NBC aired edited out her claim that Hillary Clinton was involved in quashing Broaddrick’s rape claims.

    “NBC has the full tape of the original Lisa Myers interview,” Isikoff said during an online discussion on Sidewire.com. “NBC ought to check its archive and run the full interview. (AS long as they’re now culling their archives!)”

    “Folks have made much of the fact that her claim about the conversation she had with Hillary wasn’t in the interview that run,” Isikoff said. “Broaddrick said it got cut out; Lisa Myers has since agreed Broaddrick said this then–and NBC chose to cut it out.”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/366325.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  169. marighela, not guevara, was the auteur of urban guerilla theory, ayers was a fan of that,

    narciso (d1f714)

  170. it’s only a part of the network, jann wenner’s umbrella (that would include people magazine) mayer’s yahoo who was as cavalier with information security as red queen, as buzz feed, the other tri delt conclave,

    narciso (d1f714)

  171. Even Ruth Bader-Ginsburg can be forced to publicly engage in a self-criticism session by a SJW Twitter mob.

    How the hell does anyone think they are going to get 4-8 more years of those people in power and still keep their jobs and their ability to express their own beliefs?

    Being a Supreme Court Justice, even being the most progressive, can’t save you.

    It doesn’t matter how much Patterico piles on Trump now, none of that will save his job when it is demanded due to his blogging.

    Gabriel Hanna (118b22)

  172. more fernandez,

    The concept of subversion via corruption ALMOST describes “hybrid warfare”. Obama’s mistake was to one dimensionally equate Chicago style politics with the new style of international relations. Putin showed that you could mix up corruption with old fashioned warfare, about which Obama new little. It is this mix which defines “hybrid warfare”.

    Obama took to the field with pallets of cash, shocked to find it did not work against an opponent who could use both corruption and traditional war. This may account for Putin’s great success in MENA and Eastern Europe. It certainly accounts for China’s advance in the SCS. The Iranians in especial simply took Obama’s money and kept advancing.

    narciso (d1f714)

  173. my own pet theory is behind the iron curtain, and the bamboo one, they only saw two models of capitalist development, robber barrons and the mob, the latter they adopted rather readily in russia, like in that trek episode, about ‘a piece of the action’ where a text about the 30s was abandoned on a planet, china already had some experience with the former model, so they chose the robber barron as their example,

    narciso (d1f714)

  174. Noonan:

    Here’s what you see in the emails: the writers are the worst kind of snobs, snobs with nothing to recommend them. In their expression and thoughts they are common, banal, dumb, uninformed, parochial.

    I don’t know about you but when people look down on me I want them to be distinguished or outstanding in some way—towering minds, people of exquisite sensibility or learning. Not these grubbly poseurs, these people who’ve never had a thought but only a sensation: Christians are backward, I saw it in a movie!

    It’s the big fact of American life now, isn’t it? That we are patronized by our inferiors.

    #nevertrump the alinsky wing of the Right.

    DNF (755a85)

  175. Article by Biblical scholar and Christian apologist Dr. Michael Brown:

    Seven Things the Donald Trump Wrecking Ball Has Exposed in Our Culture

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  176. In deference to #nevertrump there are those for whom their hearts lust that the lumpen proletariat will never support, i.e., as resolutely obstinate in opposition to a candidate as #nevertrump in so doing invite America’s demise.

    The difference being, of course, #nevertrump will never have numbers on their side.

    DNF (755a85)

  177. well as they say in court opinions, I concur in parts, dissent in parts, yes trump is crass, but then so are his interlocutors, the medici whelp about as proved that, who brought up manhood again, who bring it up here, the nationalist requires a place, even if it is too jingoistic, the
    framework of the uniparty is clear enough,

    narciso (d1f714)

  178. 179. I do not buy:

    “4) Trump has helped to expose an unhealthy nationalism.”

    Neocon nationalism cannot be exceeded in destructiveness.

    DNF (755a85)

  179. again we disagree, neocon philosophy evolved from the pattern that fernandez described, how scowcroft was so friendly with the pla ruling clique, with the wahhabi influence camarilla that emerson and pipes had detected from different angles,

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. “YEAH, THAT SEEMS TO BE HOW IT WORKS: The Hill: Believe The Victims — Unless They’re Bill’s.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246420/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  181. 179. I do not buy:

    “4) Trump has helped to expose an unhealthy nationalism.”

    Neocon nationalism cannot be exceeded in destructiveness.

    DNF (755a85) — 10/14/2016 @ 7:23 pm

    That one was dubious.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  182. bonfire, the book, depalma should be skewered for the film, revealed the rather vulgar layer beneath sherman mccoy’s wasp patina, it’s pointed out he’s of kentucky background, a relative arriviste,

    narciso (d1f714)

  183. The only thing Donald Trump has exposed (that we know of until the next shoe drops) is that 4% of the population are complete and utter idiots.

    nk (dbc370)

  184. seriously, nk, that factor is probably about 12 or 13 fold,

    now you ask what does trump believe, well going back to the 80s, that the us was being taken advantage by our allies in trade, and in supplying their military umbrella, that’s been a constant,

    narciso (d1f714)

  185. 157. A single page of Steven King is more post-literacy than I can bear.

    This AM I sorta stepped in it with an education professor at my club, in offering to proof read her book submission, a pre-emptive apologia for cultural respect of Muslims in fly-over America.

    She sneered that she was an English prof and needed no proofing. Hard to argue there, but the pretext for authorship is certainly dated.

    DNF (755a85)

  186. 187. “exposed”

    How unwittingly apropos.

    DNF (755a85)

  187. ‘you ask for miracle, theo,’

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/10/florida-supreme-court-legislatures-re-write-of-death-penalty-law-still-unconstitutional/

    and then they wonder why the supreme court chose to overrule their slapdash jurisprudence,
    the corrosion has settled further in both institutions,

    narciso (d1f714)

  188. 191. This is why Putin is hated so: Competence.

    DNF (755a85)

  189. so just like matteen’s fellow mosque attendee,

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-bomber-idUKKBN12E2F4

    narciso (d1f714)

  190. The entendre was entirely intended. See Gerald A’s link at 179.

    nk (dbc370)

  191. well that’s unclear, was he able to stop nord ost, or beslan, or domedovo or tschaikovsky station,

    narciso (d1f714)

  192. Unanimous jury verdicts should be required in every case where life, liberty or property are at stake, not just death penalty cases. It’s long past time that Florida rejoined the common law.

    nk (dbc370)

  193. 166. Fernandez is alternately brilliant and then, occasionally, pedestrian, inexplicably.

    DNF (755a85)

  194. Or simply joined — I don’t know how much of it was due to the law and order fever of the ’80s and how much to leftover Spanish jurisprudence.

    nk (dbc370)

  195. 195. Telling, that?

    DNF (755a85)

  196. I think they are trying to restore the post furman state of affairs, anyways it’s an area of investigation worth considering,

    narciso (d1f714)

  197. 200. “Furman”?

    DNF (755a85)

  198. this was when they found penumbras and emanations in the 8th amendment,

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/408/238

    now, they discovered they couldn’t try another assault like that again, so they took up the application of the penalty, ie: the baldus study, and suppressing the production of chemical agents required to carry out the policy,

    narciso (d1f714)

  199. America right now. i.imgur.com/rEA1CzN.gifv

    SarahW (3164f0)

  200. Real Clear has lost its way:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/10/13/fear_loathing_and_turnout_in_wisconsin_132048.html

    IA and MN are currently listed ‘too close to call’, WI ‘leans Clinton’. This is evidence that averaging garbage is GIGO.

    DNF (755a85)

  201. so apparently there was a craigslist ad, for accusers back in may, last year podesta apparently was concerned about carson’s potential, and furthermore, podesta seem to agree with mark kirk re the rhodes road show,

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. http://i.imgur.com/rEA1CzN.mp4

    Maybe the lady just wanted to stretch her legs a little after a lon plane ride, SarahW.

    nk (dbc370)

  203. 198
    Spanish law vanished with the Spanish in Florida, except for land titles in the north part of the state.
    It’s more important in California and the Southwest.
    And then there’s French law in Louisiana. As they told us in One L, Louisiana is always different.

    Apropos of nothing, did you know Florida has a Big Bend, complete with cattle. Must drive the Texans crazy.

    Kishnevi (aef29b)

  204. I know it’s the ninth circus, but it’s still more of a travismockasham,

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/14/federal-court-christian-pregnancy-centers-must-tell-patients-can-get-abortions/

    narciso (d1f714)

  205. 203
    This has not happened lately, so be it noted that on this matter I am in complete agreement with DNF.

    And the headline was so badly written I thought the article was saying Egyptian civilization started in China. But it is silly either way.

    Kishnevi (aef29b)

  206. yes, it suggests tufnel’s ‘thin line between clever and stupid’ if not fully billy madison,

    http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/news/national/trump-accuser-says-she-leaving-country/nsrDT/

    narciso (d1f714)

  207. now boris has more than a few flaws, garrulous in the extreme, but all told he was probably a more informed choice than theresa may, who just isn’t trustworthy,

    narciso (d1f714)

  208. it’s a plausible scenario, everything is astroturf for them, bezos has made the post even less hospitable to truth seekers,

    narciso (d1f714)

  209. from the other thread I referred to some of this,

    http://narcisoscorner.blogspot.com/2009/06/mousavi-enigma.html?view=classic

    narciso (d1f714)

  210. 208. Just like the treadmill in the hotel.

    DNF (755a85)

  211. seems like an orchestrated feeding frenzy, what else is new,

    narciso (d1f714)

  212. Novak @ CNBC:

    If Trump loses the election, Republican leaders hoping to avoid the worst effects of being associated with his controversial persona won’t be spared much. The Trump supporters will never forgive them and the news media and the Left will never given them any credit for “doing the right thing” anyway. It’s a form of Stockholm syndrome to not only start to like your captors, but look for reasons to blame the captivity on your fellow hostages. This is a no-win scenario if there ever was one for the GOP establishment powers.

    Democracy can be ugly. And what Republicans like McCain and Ryan have had so much trouble accepting is that the voters in the primaries flocked to Trump. It doesn’t matter if Trump deserved it or not. It doesn’t matter if he had the best chances to win the general election. If a political party works to undermine what its voters want, it is dead. Trump’s campaign is thus still alive while we watch the GOP commit a form of suicide as it fears national polls and the news media more than its own voters. This is what losers do — when the going gets tough and chips are down, they turn on each other.

    Unintended consequences.

    DNF (755a85)

  213. they’ve done it to far more worthy candidates, than trump, and then will, brooks, krauthammer and such, supped at obama’s tale, while the rebellion was coming under way, what would be called the tea party,

    narciso (d1f714)

  214. this is why past is prologue, I guess the jones memo is a small paperback at this point,

    narciso (d1f714)

  215. 223. Authors of dreck and these attention hounds are casting about for a leg up.

    Once the election is over, so are these opportunities and sundry.

    DNF (755a85)

  216. you would think but then consider how they have taken a stab at clarence thomas for more than a quarter century, how the recount was reconceptualized, ‘julianne’s bender, (same production staff) even the webb matter and rathergate,

    narciso (d1f714)

  217. 225. ‘The best of hands’, ‘top men’.

    The eight Tornado GR4 fighter bombers launching ground attacks against the Islamic State group in Iraq – Number 12 Squadron, which is deployed in Cyprus – were due to be disbanded last year and replaced with more modern Eurofighter Typhoons.
    But then Prime Minister David Cameron announced the Tornados’ mission would continue until March 2016, and on Tuesday Defence Secretary Michael Fallon announced it would be extended by a further year.
    It’s a distinction for an aircraft that was conceived in the late 1960s, flew for the first time in 1974 and entered service in 1980. The RAF’s Tornado fleet is due to retire in 2019, the date having been brought forward from the original deadline of 2025.
    The jet is very much a product of its era. The Panavia Tornado was developed jointly by the UK, Germany and Italy to fly low and fast, avoiding Soviet air defences. Over time its bombing capacity was developed.
    Compared with the Typhoon, which entered service with the RAF as recently as 2007, the much older Tornado is less manoeuvrable, having been primarily designed to fly quickly in straight lines at a low level.
    But the GR4 has a major advantage over the newer model, says Nick de Larrinaga, Europe editor of IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly: “They can carry the Brimstone air-to-surface missile which the RAF has found very useful.” These are designed to minimise collateral damage and are capable of hitting moving targets.
    Because the Tornado is a relatively large aircraft, it can carry a lot of these – 12 in four sets of three. As yet, the Typhoons are not equipped to carry them. Until Brimstone can be integrated with the newer jet, the GR4 has an advantage.

    Ludicrous.

    DNF (755a85)

  218. have we reached peak absurdity yet, it’s an open question,

    narciso (d1f714)

  219. 231. Hopefully the Won is dead set against doing anything and this is only preening.

    DNF (755a85)

  220. Built-in obsolescence is a major criticism of the profit system. And a valid one.

    nk (dbc370)

  221. It does give pause that generals might want to see what S-300s and 400s can actually do.

    DNF (755a85)

  222. as you can tell, the subject has barely peripheral interest but if needs must,

    the cheerleaders at the highest levels of policy and commentary of this fustercluck, cannot be properly reproached, without perhaps 8th amendment violations,

    narciso (d1f714)

  223. When it comes to weapons, building them for a limited life in order to speed production and conserve materiel can be justified by wartime exigencies but not to keep arms manufacturers in business in peacetime.

    nk (dbc370)

  224. yes, the b 52, has been flying for how long ‘that’s not important right now’ this fool’s errand they are attempting in syria, is,

    narciso (d1f714)

  225. one more question sir,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/301302-man-who-shot-two-boston-cops-was-recent-muslim-convert-with-multiple-aliases/

    does one need there to be dead cops for the media get off their keester?

    narciso (d1f714)

  226. #239 narciso,

    Keep in mind, the Cambridge police have a history of acting stupidly.
    And that stupidity probably carries over to the Boston PD, as well.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  227. O Pontiff, O Pantywaisterico,

    Grow a couple and STFU, unless you really are a dhimmicrat. From what you have shown us you are truly the Glenn Beck of the Los Angeles blogosphere. Tired of winning much? Just like Ted Cruz? Or is your hero the great House Speaker? He took a while to bail from the ticket though, unlike you and your minions.

    aProvider (258fde)

  228. Minions? Only a couplions really.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  229. Handfulions?

    papertiger (c8116c)

  230. @223 narciso

    More like a feeling frenzy. I wonder if that craigslist ad was a casting call.

    Pinandpuller (b8d622)

  231. Ladies and Gentlemen Introducing our first Female President Mrs William Jefferson Clinton.
    HiLiary: Thank you and especially to the #NeverTrump voters who helped carry me over the top. I couldn’t have won without you…Now about that 1st and 2nd amendments..

    firefirefire (933c5b)

  232. Filed under “Good n’ Hard”, folks…

    “THINK OF THEM AS DEMOCRATIC PARTY OPERATIVES WITH BYLINES AND YOU WON’T GO FAR WRONG: Kimberley Strassel: The Press Buries Hillary Clinton’s Sins.
    If average voters turned on the TV for five minutes this week, chances are they know that Donald Trump made lewd remarks a decade ago and now stands accused of groping women.

    But even if average voters had the TV on 24/7, they still probably haven’t heard the news about Hillary Clinton: That the nation now has proof of pretty much everything she has been accused of.

    It comes from hacked emails dumped by WikiLeaks, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act, and accounts from FBI insiders. The media has almost uniformly ignored the flurry of bombshells, preferring to devote its front pages to the Trump story. So let’s review what amounts to a devastating case against a Clinton presidency.

    Start with a June 2015 email to Clinton staffers from Erika Rottenberg, the former general counsel of LinkedIn. Ms. Rottenberg wrote that none of the attorneys in her circle of friends “can understand how it was viewed as ok/secure/appropriate to use a private server for secure documents AND why further Hillary took it upon herself to review them and delete documents.” She added: “It smacks of acting above the law and it smacks of the type of thing I’ve either gotten discovery sanctions for, fired people for, etc.”

    A few months later, in a September 2015 email, a Clinton confidante fretted that Mrs. Clinton was too bullheaded to acknowledge she’d done wrong. “Everyone wants her to apologize,” wrote Neera Tanden, president of the liberal Center for American Progress. “And she should. Apologies are like her Achilles’ heel.”

    Clinton staffers debated how to evade a congressional subpoena of Mrs. Clinton’s emails—three weeks before a technician deleted them. The campaign later employed a focus group to see if it could fool Americans into thinking the email scandal was part of the Benghazi investigation (they are separate) and lay it all off as a Republican plot.

    A senior FBI official involved with the Clinton investigation told Fox News this week that the “vast majority” of career agents and prosecutors working the case “felt she should be prosecuted” and that giving her a pass was “a top-down decision.”

    The Obama administration—the federal government, supported by tax dollars—was working as an extension of the Clinton campaign. The State Department coordinated with her staff in responding to the email scandal, and the Justice Department kept her team informed about developments in the court case.

    Worse, Mrs. Clinton’s State Department, as documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show, took special care of donors to the Clinton Foundation. In a series of 2010 emails, a senior aide to Mrs. Clinton asked a foundation official to let her know which groups offering assistance with the Haitian earthquake relief were “FOB” (Friends of Bill) or “WJC VIPs” (William Jefferson Clinton VIPs). Those who made the cut appear to have been teed up for contracts. Those who weren’t? Routed to a standard government website.

    The leaks show that the foundation was indeed the nexus of influence and money. The head of the Clinton Health Access Initiative, Ira Magaziner, suggested in a 2011 email that Bill Clinton call Sheikh Mohammed of Saudi Arabia to thank him for offering the use of a plane. In response, a top Clinton Foundation official wrote: “Unless Sheikh Mo has sent us a $6 million check, this sounds crazy to do.”

    The entire progressive apparatus—the Clinton campaign and boosters at the Center for American Progress—appears to view voters as stupid and tiresome, segregated into groups that must either be cajoled into support or demeaned into silence.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246393/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  233. Lots of anger this morning from outside Trump supporters, and maybe with good reason. Hillary wI’ll be a ghorrible President for blue collar and middle class Americans.

    On a lighter note, no matter who wins, we’re going to have a White House comedy. Whose sexual escapades will we be following — Bill’s or Donald’s?

    DRJ (15874d)

  234. “Apropos of nothing, did you know Florida has a Big Bend, complete with cattle. Must drive the Texans crazy.”

    Kishnevi (aef29b) — 10/14/2016 @ 8:26 pm

    That’s a short drive, kishnevi. But I’d heard it was ‘gators, not cattle…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  235. “The big fact of the week, however, has to do with these words: They don’t like us. The Democrats, progressives and left-liberals who have been embarrassed by the latest WikiLeaks dump really hate conservatives, or nonleftists. They don’t like half the people of the country they seek to control! They look at that half with disdain and disrespect. Their disdain is not new—“bitter clingers,” “basket of deplorables.” But here it’s so unashamed and eager to express itself.

    A stupid man from a leftist think tank claimed the most “powerful elements” in the conservative movement are Catholic. “They must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations,” he wrote. Mrs. Clinton’s press aide Jennifer Palmieri responded: “I imagine they think it is the most socially acceptable politically conservative religion. Their rich friends wouldn’t understand if they become evangelicals.”

    When I read that I imagined a conversation with my grandmother, an immigrant who was a bathroom attendant at the Abraham & Straus department store in Brooklyn. Me: “Grandma, being Catholic is now a step up. It means you’re an aristocrat! A stupid one, but still.” Grandma, blinking: “America truly is a country of miracles.”

    Here’s what you see in the emails: the writers are the worst kind of snobs, snobs with nothing to recommend them. In their expression and thoughts they are common, banal, dumb, uninformed, parochial.

    I don’t know about you but when people look down on me I want them to be distinguished or outstanding in some way—towering minds, people of exquisite sensibility or learning. Not these grubbly poseurs, these people who’ve never had a thought but only a sensation: Christians are backward, I saw it in a movie!

    It’s the big fact of American life now, isn’t it? That we are patronized by our inferiors.”

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/americas-decadent-leadership-class-1476400544

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  236. At their age? Their escapades will consist of thinking about it and talking about it. So it will be Trump, a legend in his own mind. (Yes, I know it’s trite but so is Trump.)

    nk (dbc370)

  237. That we are patronized by our inferiors.”

    And condescended to by our inferiors.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  238. Getting nuked by Russia would be an act of mercy at this point…

    http://americandigest.org/sidelines/jamescharles%20covergirl2_thumb%5B1%5D.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  239. And governed by rumpswabs.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  240. “It never ceases to amaze me that there are still people on the right who genuinely think the left cares about subtleties and gray areas. Regardless of a mountain of evidence to the contrary, some conservatives continue to adhere to the myth that they can buy their way out of the race- and gender-card slurs. In this, the “year of the scary clown,” here we find the scariest clowns of all. The people who truly believe that leftists will cut them slack for abandoning Trump represent a rare combination of stupidity and reality detachment. They are indeed rats, and, may I add, rats that absolutely deserve to drown.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  241. @Hoagie, Haiku:condescended to by our inferiors…governed by rumpswabs…

    Yeah, but they’re within normal parameters. The threat from them is overblown. They always sell out their principles to stay in power….

    And in 2008 not one of them was willing to come out in favor of gay marriage, now it’s in effect in all 50 states. By 2016 we’re seeing a whole state boycotted because it won’t allow cisgender men in the women’s, which was absolutely unquestioned in 2008.

    What will the next 8 years bring with these people in uninterrupted power in a weaponized executive and civil service with the aid of a subservient media?

    Gabriel Hanna (118b22)

  242. Even a lionized, progressive Supreme Court justice had to publicly abase herself for disagreeing with a second-string quarterback’s taking a knee during the national anthem.

    Oh by all means let’s see what the new norms the governing class comes up with. I can’t what to see what new undreamed of moral stances get people thrown out of their jobs after 4 – 8 more years of progressives in power.

    Gabriel Hanna (118b22)

  243. I cannot believe that people who claim to be in favor of limited government, come out so strongly against the person most likely to be limited in practice.

    The IRS, FBI, and FEC will not do Trump’s bidding. The SJW warriors will not put his enemies on blast and get them fired from their jobs or force them to publicly renounce their opinions. The media will be constantly looking for scandal and corruption. Progressives will, for the first time, actively work to limit the power of government.

    But with Hillary, we’ll see the Obama years’ trends cranked up to 11. The IRS, FBI and FEC already do Clinton’s bidding against her enemies and for her friends. The SJW twitter mobs already do terrorize obscure, and at times even prominent, individuals from expressing opinions they disagree with. The media already does bury Clinton wrong-doing and trumpet whatever they can dig up, no matter how old or inconsequential (“macaca”) of her political opponents.

    Gabriel Hanna (118b22)

  244. Y’all askeert of gittin’ thrown out of yore job cause of yore views, Hoagie? No? I didn’t think so. You’re a successful person in your own right and you don’t need to ask any man’s permission to say what’s on your mind.

    Think about it, the rest of all y’all, who want the same rights and privileges as your betters and think that Trump will get them for you.

    nk (dbc370)

  245. Anyhow, this is by way of Instapundit: http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2016/10/14/trump-campaigns-eyewitness-once-claimed-to-be-a-procurer-of-boys-for-sex-parties-with-british-politicians/

    The Professor is kind and says Trump stepped on a rake. I’d say he stepped on something else.

    nk (dbc370)

  246. Macaca was an own-goal of the most egregious kind by G. Allen. Trump the man would have infinitely more self control presented with the same milieu.

    urbanleftbehind (a88b9d)

  247. nk,

    It’s just further evidence of the awesome political skill which has garnered him 35-40% support among the electorate. Some argue his focus on the intransigent rather than the persuadable is the key to his success but there are too many instances of demonstrating his political acumen in keeping a tight focus on SHINY to let it pass without mention.

    Rick Ballard (b9de6e)

  248. stepping on a rake is usually no big deal unless you step on it in just the right way under very precise conditions then yikes

    you may have seen sore loser harvardtrash ted’s petulant speech at the convention

    bonk!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  249. Happy Saturday!

    http://youtu.be/3eLEVZ_q9eU

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  250. Some are just blessed with talent but never have the commercial success …

    http://youtu.be/DQjExmkCKF4

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  251. They can just hire them some sh*theel lawyers! Not to worry!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  252. I cannot believe that people who claim to be in favor of limited government, come out so strongly against the person most likely to be limited in practice.

    Saying Trump is closer to a conservative than Hillary isn’t saying much. Trump is not a conservative, but he has already hurt the conservative movement by relentlessly attacking the policies and leaders with whom he he disagrees.

    DRJ (15874d)

  253. Trump is for Trump. Everyone else must bow down to him, but especially conservatives because they hurt him with his base. When Trump fails, who will his supporters turn to next — conservatives or liberals?

    Trump knows most of his followers are conservatives. He wants to make them forget that by trying to discredit conservative leaders and policies.

    DRJ (15874d)

  254. And bloggers.

    DRJ (15874d)

  255. It seems to be working with many Trump supporters. Binary choice. Attacks on Republican leaders like Ryan and the Ohio GOP chair. Trump knows how to divide and energize people sO they wI’ll see hI’m as their strongman.

    DRJ (15874d)

  256. Trump is not a conservative, but he has already hurt the conservative movement by relentlessly attacking the policies and leaders with whom he he disagrees.

    DRJ, I have never heard anybody claim Trump to be a Conservative. Unless you are listening to the idiots on HuffPo or the like who also claimed Bush was a Conservative. But there really are some people who have already hurt the Conservative movement by relentlessly attacking the policies and leaders with whom they disagree.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  257. However, I understand rejecting the GOP. I have and I think it’s reasonable to do that, but a strongman with liberal tendencies isn’t my choice.

    DRJ (15874d)

  258. @DRJ:a strongman with liberal tendencies

    He’s not a strongman. He’s a blowhard.

    The Clinton machine is strangling your liberties right now and trying to scare you with clowns. And succeeding.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  259. Since when has greed been bad? For a person who can credibly claim that his fortune fluctuates by billions on the whim of cultural relations, such things are transcended.
    It’s in his best interest to defang declaw and unclench the grip of the weaponized institutional greed of the government, so it will be done.

    You don’t have to wonder if it will

    papertiger (c8116c)

  260. IMO Trump can hurt conservatism far more from within the GOP, Hoagie.

    Will the GOP oppose him if he acquiesces to the liberal agenda? Of course not, only conservatives will say No and he’s destroying them. For instsnce, Trump already said he won’t stop ObamaCare unless Congress steps in. He won’t fight for anything without political cover, and the only way to get things done in DC is if he is open to the liberal agenda. But he will say he got the best possible deal.

    DRJ (15874d)

  261. @DRJ:IMO Trump can hurt conservatism far more from within the GOP, Hoagie.

    Nothing compared to how President Hillary Clinton will hurt the GOP.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  262. Since the Bible, papertiger.

    DRJ (15874d)

  263. I don’t care about the GOP, Gabriel. IMO it isn’t the answer to America’s problems and hasn’t been for awhile. It can be a tool for the conservative answer, but it is fighting against that because it doesn’t give them sufficient opportunities for corruption/greed. Both parties crave that, as does Trump.

    DRJ (15874d)

  264. The Wall Street Journal shows how the Clinton campaign helped intimidate Chief Justice Roberts on Obamacare. But I’m sure the Court will be much less tractable when Hillary’s been able to appoint a few more of them? Not like that scary man Trump.

    Ms. Tanden wrote that, “As Jennifer will remember, it was pretty critical that the President threw the gauntlet down last time on the Court, warning them in the first case that it would politicize the role of the Court for them to rule against the ACA. As a close reader of the case, I honestly believe that was vital to scaring Roberts off.”

    We wrote at the time about the campaign to mau-mau the Chief, and now we know it was orchestrated. The campaign included a Senate speech by Vermont’s Pat Leahy, a broadside from President Obama about “an unelected group of people” overturning “a duly constituted and passed law,” and articles by such media progressives as Jeffrey Rosen of the New Republic and Jeffrey Toobin of the New Yorker. Mr. Rosen hit the talking points out of the park when he wrote that, “If the Roberts court strikes down health care reform by a 5-4 vote, then the chief justice’s stated goal of presiding over a less divisive court will be viewed as an irredeemable failure.”

    In her June 2015 email, Ms. Tanden recommended to her Clinton colleagues that they do the same thing again. “I’m not arguing that Hillary spend a lot of time attacking the Court,” she writes. “I do think it would be very helpful to all of our interest in a decision affirming the law, for [Chief Justice] Roberts and perhaps [Justice Anthony] Kennedy to see negative political consequences to ruling against the government. Therefore, I think it would be helpful to have a story of how progressives and Hillary would make the Supreme Court an election issue (which would be a ready argument for liberals) if the Court rules against the government.”

    A similar if less aggressive lobbying campaign did roll out warning the Court against overturning ObamaCare, and, sure enough, the Chief and Justice Kennedy sided with the liberals to uphold the ACA again in King v. Burwell.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  265. @DRJ:I don’t care about the GOP, Gabriel.

    Nothing compared to how President Hillary Clinton will hurt conservatism either. Conservatives will be shut out of acceptable public discourse every bit as much as opponents of gay marriage and men in the womens’ bathrooms are. Government coercion and SJW twitter mobs will work together, and the media will cheer it on.

    Just like they’ve been doing for the last 8 years.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  266. You have a tendency to be patronizing, Gabriel, instead of seriously discussing my points. That’s fine. I’m used to it now so I rarely address you. I understand your anger comes from fear, and I share that fear for ourselves and our country’s future. Try to see that. I think it will help.

    DRJ (15874d)

  267. @DRJ:You have a tendency to be patronizing, Gabriel

    You invent emotions that don’t exist, and I’ve never understood it. It’s characters on a page. Why the emotional investment?

    instead of seriously discussing my points.

    I don’t agree with your points, that doesn’t mean I don’t discuss them.

    anger comes from fear

    Again, emotions you invented and ascribed to me.

    I’m used to it now so I rarely address you.

    Except to tone-troll, or accuse me of telling Patterico what to post, which is another thing you do that I don’t understand. After all, he ban me for any reason or none.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  268. @DRJ: But it’s ridiculous to a) insist Trump is a strongman, when there is practically no one to do his bidding and at the same time b) insist that somehow Trump is worse than the budding strong(wo)man we already have, whose minions have been restricting our liberties for decades now.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  269. DRJ you remind me of scene where the black private is complaining to the white officer during the Civil War, that it wont matter if they win. What will he get if we win?

    “Don’t know” answers the officer, “but you won’t get anything if we lose.”

    papertiger (c8116c)

  270. Nice, mg!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  271. CLINTON EMAILS: COMEY LIED AND THE SCANDAL DIED.

    Related: “Remind yourself of one big fact: Richard Nixon’s proximate sin over Watergate was interfering with an FBI investigation.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246405/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  272. Your blog. Your right to do as you wish.

    Obviously your disgust/disdain for Trump is strong. Admittedly, he has said vulgar things. He was not my first choice during the republican primary. But he has shown more character and integrity than Paul Ryan – or any of the other GOP elitists and alleged conservative talking heads – who demanded Trump sign a loyalty oath, yet are now using every panty-wetting excuse possible to dump Trump.

    We are at an existential crisis. Scalia’s death was most unfortunate for people who actually love and respect (what is left of) the United States Constitution and the rule of law.

    Frankly, I don’t really care that Trump made vulgar statements about the things some women will allow rich guys to do to them, particularly not when an evil, hypocritical bitch (and her deplorable leftist minions in and out of the media) not only enabled a pathetic sexual predator to rape, grope and harass multiple women, (and sodomize a female employee young enough to be his daughter with a cigar – said act and his subsequent lies resulting in his impeachment and disbarrment) but she ATTACKED the victims of her pseudo-husband’s acts.

    Trump wants to control illegal immigration.

    Trump recognizes the evil nature of islam, and wants to stop bringing in more jihadists to our nation.

    Trump wants to wrest power from the globalist oligarchs and rebuild America.

    Trump wants to lower taxes.

    Trump wants to stop the despicable violation of the Hyde Amendment that the left is using to pay taxpayer dollars to the butchers of Margaret Sanger’s Abortion mills (while laughably claiming ‘no tax dollars are paying for abortions’).

    Trump isn’t trying to start WW III with the Russians.

    Trump is a member of the NRA, and is not talking about use of executive orders to implement illegal “gun control”.

    Trump has never operated an illegal private email server upon which classified information was illegally handled, nor lied about it, nor destroyed relevant hardware while under investigation.

    Trump has not had multiple co-workers given immunity deals while under investigation by the FBI.

    Trump has never enabled nor covered up for anyone flying on private jets to an island where children were sexually abused, nor has he been accused of flying to said island himself.

    Trump never lied about some video being the cause of a “spontaneous protest”, complete with RPGs and mortars resulting in the murder of a US ambassador – then compounding her lies by having a pathetic little videomaker jailed on made-up charges.

    Hope all you NeverTrumpers don’t ever speak a single word of complaint when your egregiously misguided efforts in support of the vile, corrupt and thoroughly deplorable Clinton crime organization result in your loss of liberty, your increased tax payments, your being forced into National Socialist health care, your daughters being drafted along with your sons, your children continuing to be brainwashed in support of homogamy and the insanity of ‘transgender rights’, and being shamed for saying “ALL lives matter”

    Pete (ceb4bf)

  273. 272.However, I understand rejecting the GOP. I have and I think it’s reasonable to do that, but a strongman with liberal tendencies isn’t my choice.
    DRJ (15874d) — 10/15/2016 @ 10:25 am

    If you rejected the GOP you are no longer a Republican, correct? Which team did you join, if any? How about a strongwoman with fascist tendencies?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  274. #They’rewithCankles

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  275. Bewitched, Bedazzled, Becankled and they bother me…

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  276. 291.Bewitched, Bedazzled, Becankled and they bother me…

    She’s certainly no Elizabeth Montgomery. Nor Elizabeth Hurley or Raquel Welch, either.

    “Hot toast – or buttered buns?” – Lilian Lust [Raquel Welch] ‘Bedazzled’ 1967

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  277. “But it’s ridiculous to a) insist Trump is a strongman, when there is practically no one to do his bidding.”

    – Gabriel Hanna

    Strongman? *Aspiring* strongman, maybe, but he’s about to get trounced by the (second) most embarrassingly awful candidate a major party has ever put forward. Nothing “strong” about that one.

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  278. Seriously: how terrible does a candidate have to be to get trounced by *Hillary Clinton*? Sad!

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  279. Ask commie bernie, he was run over by his own party. Seriously how effing stupid is he?

    mg (31009b)

  280. sad

    mg (31009b)

  281. @257 Gabriel Hanna

    To your point I liken the difference between Trump and Clinton as the difference between concealment and cover.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  282. Nk

    A leaf rake would put Hillary’s d*ck in the dirt.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  283. @ 293 there’s the pinkion.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  284. @@ Pete, #288:

    Hope all you NeverTrumpers don’t ever speak a single word of complaint when your egregiously misguided efforts in support of the vile, corrupt and thoroughly deplorable Clinton crime organization result in your loss of liberty, your increased tax payments, your being forced into National Socialist health care, your daughters being drafted along with your sons, your children continuing to be brainwashed in support of homogamy and the insanity of ‘transgender rights’, and being shamed for saying “ALL lives matter”

    Not supporting Trump is only equivalent to supporting Hillary in minds that have become too warped to understand the distinction.

    Trump wants…Trump wants…Trump wants…”

    Trump says he wants. But then, Trump boasts about saying anything to close a deal. If you don’t understand that, you’re too stupid to vote.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  285. You do realize when you cast insults like: ” minds that have become too warped to understand the distinction” and “If you don’t understand that, you’re too stupid to vote.” you sound like a rabid leftist. It’s their SOP to end every discussion with an insult. Maybe Pete’s a raaaaacist too.
    Yeah, a warped, stupid raaaaacist deplorable, that’s it. Sounds like a Hillary speech.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  286. Use to believe Fox News was talking pussy, 24/7.

    Now it’s CNN.

    “Puuuuuuuuuufect!’ – The Catwoman [Julie Newmar] ‘Batman’ ABC TV, 1966

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  287. seriously, you’re projecting about trump, and you’re denying her actual record, as if scooping up money from every oligarch on three continents, letting nigeria to be plundered, funding the very cyberoutfit that is now attacking us, it’s tantamount to appropriating the r7s that were stationed in cuba,

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-15/here-are-hillary-clintons-three-speeches-goldman-sachs-which-she-was-paid-675000

    narciso (d1f714)

  288. I would bet10 lbs.of just caught fresh Tuna hooves are connected to those cankles.

    mg (31009b)

  289. seriously now they give a farthing, about sexual assault when they’ve embargoed juanita broderick for 17 years, shirley,

    narciso (d1f714)

  290. Which network puts policy over pussy? Fox, CNN or MSNBC?

    “My name is Pussy Galore.” – Pussy Galore [Honor Blackman] ‘Goldfinger’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  291. remember that dallas prosecutor whose wife was a big moloch minion supporter,

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wikileaks-wife-mexican-american-judge-suing-trump-big-podesta-fan/

    narciso (d1f714)

  292. I know squirrels will rush in,

    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/787054980867854336

    narciso (d1f714)

  293. Women liked Bill Clinton, not his wallet.

    nk (dbc370)

  294. Isn’t hacking illegal or something?

    BTW, neither Judge Curiel nor his wife are suing Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  295. a fair point, but you’re not going to get any news out of spectre board members, that’s abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, et al,

    narciso (d1f714)

  296. seems like a game of battleship, the press will notice when they hit the target,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/301402-uss-mason-fired-on-again-off-coast-of-yemen/

    it could be houthi, or jayvee or varsity,

    narciso (d1f714)

  297. to put it bluntly,

    Almost every famous person you’ve ever heard of (and most you haven’t heard of) lived on this kind of diet. And they drank stuff too. They launched missiles into space and to the moon. Every console in the LCC had an ashtray. KSC was full of cigarette smoke everyday all of the time while men were going to the moon. Women were secretaries and men were engineers. And engineers eat bacon and eggs for breakfast. How do I know? I was there. They built ships, big ships. They built bridges. They got out and did stuff. Everyday. After having bacon and eggs for breakfast, leftover meatloaf sandwiches for lunch and roast beef and mashed potatoes for dinner. Mashed potatoes and rolls with gravy and real butter. It’s possible that a few of them did not live as long as some of the vegan flowers but they lived more glory in one Apollo launch than any vegan flower or SJW will live their entire, sad, pitiable lives. There were no safe places in engineering. Only constant, grueling, never ending math problems. That most of them only mastered after long, grueling, constant application and study. And they didn’t go out drinking on Friday night because they sat all week in a classroom full of sissies talking about feelings. After Friday night drinking and several hamburgers and sleeping in Saturday they spent the rest of Saturday and Sunday doing math. Then they went into the chem lab Monday and blew stuff up. Then they became rocket scientists, engineers, jet pilots, astronauts, technicians, electricians and plumbers. Then worked their butts off for 40 years. There ain’t no rocket scientists who subsist on lettuce.

    narciso (d1f714)

  298. 301. C’mon, Hoagie, that was just mean. Some people have a real need to feel superior to others. They like to feel legendary, even if only in their minds.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  299. @Leviticus:Strongman? *Aspiring* strongman, maybe, but he’s about to get trounced by the (second) most embarrassingly awful candidate a major party has ever put forward. Nothing “strong” about that one.

    I appreciate your support on this point, despite our other differences. There is no Twitter mob that will comb through ordinary people’s lives to try to ruin ordinary people who speak out against Trump. There is no fawning media establishment happy to coordinate behind the scenes with Trump’s people to see that the coverage is something he’d like. There is no crowd of bureaucrats seeking to anticipate his bidding, abusing their positions and the laws to hamstring his political opponents. There is no crowd of hangers-on waiting for positions of power behind the scenes.

    Clinton has all that in place now.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  300. As far as limited government goes, the various non-Trumps in the race, not having a party machine at their backs, are going to be “limited” in the sense of “not very effective”, whatever dreams the Green or Libertarian parties have.

    A Trump Administration would be “limited” in the sense that a thirty-year-old who has never got past the “C” in the ABCs, or mastered “patty-cake”, might be described as “limited”.

    With Hillary we’d see the growth of unlimited government, of cronies and Top Men, By Any Means Necessary. All for the common good, of course.

    The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  301. re that blurp from my own state’s bedlam on the panhandle. isn’t it curious how ‘evolving standards of decency’ the nail they hang the decision on, makes things worse,

    narciso (d1f714)

  302. Are cleaning ladies at KSC and JSC still subject to feeding frenzies? Those are the epitome of a sellers market. Hell, I know engineers who studied in their rooms whilst parties with DJs and fisticuffs went on in the same house and apartment. However they were more of the production planner breed and discouraged by offshoring of manufacturing, many actually went into real estate in the bubble mid-00s.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  303. it’s a broad generalization, but as we have gone increasingly eloi, cerebral elasticity seems to have gone by the wayside,

    narciso (d1f714)

  304. i love having extra galaxies

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  305. 319. No, mg, never did other than on TV way back when. But anybody who was a fan of Canned Heat and, later, George Thorogood was a fan of JL Hooker.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  306. The Trump campaign has a new campaign song, by Bruce Springsteen: Bone In The USA.

    nk (dbc370)

  307. I think they are just throwing out numbers like joe isuzu, counting on people’s innumeracy and ignorance of stargates,

    narciso (d1f714)

  308. ah yes, you reminded of serf ken bone, who doesn’t know his place, even an offering to red queen,
    doesn’t accomodate his fragrant crimethink,

    narciso (d1f714)

  309. @nk:Bone In The USA.

    It’s good that you can get some amusement out of what’s being done to Ken Bone.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  310. Didn’t watch the debate; had never heard of Ken Bone. Patterico’s really is an educational experience.

    nk (dbc370)

  311. The bone I was referring to was Trump’s.

    nk (dbc370)

  312. Such as it is.

    nk (dbc370)

  313. *Had never heard of Ken Bone until I clicked narciso’s link at 5:00 pm.*

    Just as I had not known what Kellyanne Conway looked like until today. Good Lord! Has Chris Christie been stealing all her food?

    In both cases, I do not feel particularly enriched by my new knowledge.

    nk (dbc370)

  314. THE MOST IMPORTANT WIKILEAKS REVELATION ISN’T ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON: “This was October 6. The election was November 4. And yet Froman, an executive at Citigroup, which would ultimately become the recipient of the largest bailout from the federal government during the financial crisis, had mapped out virtually the entire Obama cabinet, a month before votes were counted.”

    The password is: Corporatism.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246458/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  315. “SO THERE’S OUR MEDIA: Afflicting those who afflict the comfortable, and comforting those who afflict the afflicted… I don’t think a lot of people quite understand what’s happening here: This is actually the overclass declaring war on anyone who does not swear fealty towards them.”

    As Sean Davis of the Federalist tweeted, “Joe the Plumber, Elizabeth Lauten, Justine Sacco, Ken Bone. If what happened to them doesn’t prove how much media loathe you, nothing will.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246416/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  316. @ Rev. Hoagie, #301:

    I tried talking reasonably with Trump supporters. I was mocked, insulted, and branded a Hillary supporter, despite the fact that I am not and will never be one. So now I just insult. Experience leads me to believe that if I had posted a critique of Pete’s silliness, your response would probably have been about the same — “you sound like a leftist, maybe you are one.” This saves time, and gives me more pleasure.

    @ Col, Haiku, #317:

    Simply by dint of not voting for Trump or Hillary, I am superior — in one respect, at least — to anyone who does. Sorry if you can’t cope with your own inferiority.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  317. no that’s the armadillo vote, quixotic and yet not foolproof,

    narciso (d1f714)

  318. CNN hires new anchor for election coverage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrPuOO2_Q44

    “Who are you?” – James Bond [Sean Connery] ‘Goldfinger’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  319. @316.

    In other words, vote Trump.

    “Space is no place for broads.” – Sergi Korelev, ‘Chief Designer’ USSR space program, 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  320. now bond was certainly a composite the likely main ingredient was two parts dusko popov, one part wilfred dunderdale, and one part fitzroy mclean, but one could never do this in real life, the whole part of a spy is their legend,

    narciso (d1f714)

  321. @Demosthenes:Simply by dint of not voting for Trump or Hillary, I am superior — in one respect, at least — to anyone who does.

    If Hillary gets her 270, that will not matter a whit. Already progressives are saying that the Republican party and conservatives are far worse than Trump. According to progressives, you are worse than anyone who votes Trump.

    A principled public stand will soon no longer be possible for most people.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  322. Even Obama has come out and said so, that Trump just put his name on what conservatives already are, much like he does with buildings.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  323. they want capitulation, the tea party prevented that, this new fusion element also provides a firebreak against unmediated globalism, which is the problem, very few of the western nation, seem to be looking at their own interests, whether may, hollande, renzi, merkel, michel,

    narciso (d1f714)

  324. The Cubs are asserting a little Chicago masculinity against the Brooklyn Dodgers — 3-0 at the end of two innings.

    nk (dbc370)

  325. you know what that means, don’t you,

    narciso (d1f714)

  326. “you sound like a leftist, maybe you are one.”

    After reading what I wrote Demosthenes, it did sound that way. I was trying to say that from my view one of the saddest unintended consequences of this whole election cycle has been the total collapse of decency between former Republican allies. It used to be expected that when leftists started a rant it would end in insults. For leftists that’s a given. Unfortunately we are now as guilty so the left has once again succeeded in lowering the bar socially, culturally and politically.

    Every time the left manages to bring America and Americans down a peg I wonder how low they can drag us and presto!, they manage one more notch.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  327. carlos slims unlike chaim saban doesn’t seem to get the point of solidarity,

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260460/can-new-york-times-discuss-whether-mohammeds-daniel-greenfield

    narciso (d1f714)

  328. 338

    Wow, Demosthenes. Your spewing of snobby, elistist, self-aggrandizing virtue-signaling rhetoric is classic cuckservative posturing, just as exhibited by the GOPe at every surrender to the left on the march towards progressive dystopianism.

    Trump certainly isn’t Reagan. But your position boils down to “I don’t know if Trump will do what he says, and he is so vulgar that I don’t really care how undeniably corrupt Hillary and the dems are, or that standing by in a manner that is de facto enabling of her taking the Presidency represents surrender to the left in the culture war foisted upon us.”

    You are certainly entitled to sneer at my position as you ignore that all the points I made on Trump’s stated positions are diametrically opposed to what Hillary and the dems have stated they plan to do to this country should she be declared the winner. For the moment, it is still a semi-free nation.

    But no matter the mental gymnastics you use to self-deceive, refusing to vote for Trump even without casting your ballot for Hillary, equates to support of Hillary and the leftist agenda no matter how much you stomp your feet or hold your breath as you insist you aren’t supporting her corruption.

    Pete (690c07)

  329. Trump will lose even if Hell freezes over. That became clear last week.

    nk (dbc370)

  330. That was for narciso, not Pete.

    nk (dbc370)

  331. Op Ed article by Yale Prof. David Gelernter.

    Trump and the Emasculated Voter

    The Emasculated Voter to whom no one pays any attention is the story of modern democracy. Instead of putting voters in charge, we tell them they’re in charge, and it’s just as good. That’s the Establishment’s great discovery in the Lois Lerner Age.

    Enter Mr. Trump. People say he became a star because he just happened to mention an issue that just happened to catch on. But immigration is the central issue of our time. Trump voters zeroed in because they saw what most intellectuals didn’t. What is our nation and what will it be? Will America go on being America or turn into something else? That depends on who lives here—especially given our schools, which no longer condescend to teach Americanism.

    The liberal theory is that, other things being equal, all human beings have an equal right to settle in America. For liberals this is too obvious to spell out. But it is also too ludicrous to defend. Does all mankind have a right to camp in your backyard, eat in your kitchen, work at your office and borrow your best jogging outfit? We fail in our duty if we don’t think carefully whom we want in this country, who would be best for America.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  332. @nk:Trump will lose even if Hell freezes over. That became clear last week.

    Okay. Then what? You’ve expressed, correct me if I am mistaken, that a Hillary presidency won’t be so bad. Would love to hear your reasons.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  333. so you’re hedging your bet, nash ‘equilibrium doesn’t really work that way, then again you are unconcerned with the second amendment, maybe somewhat more with the first but at the margins, and heck the third amendment is all too improbable,

    narciso (d1f714)

  334. No neo-Nazis swaggering about in the streets.

    nk (dbc370)

  335. well both candidates are so terrible, lets keep obama in, that is the logical conclusion,

    narciso (d1f714)

  336. @nk:No neo-Nazis swaggering about in the streets.

    There wouldn’t be any if Hillary lost either. I’m kind of surprised by you, that you allow the Clinton campaign to scare you with clowns.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  337. I said it a year before Hillary mispronounced “dog-molesters”. From the beginning of his run, it was clear to me that Trump’s core support came from alt.hate.

    nk (dbc370)

  338. @nk:From the beginning of his run, it was clear to me that Trump’s core support came from alt.hate.

    With Hillary you will find yourself in much more respectable company? Is that why you’d prefer that she be president?

    Has it occurred to you, either, that alt.hate is a moving target, one that you, if are not sufficiently progressive, have already been added to?

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  339. No neo-Nazis swaggering about in the streets.

    nk (dbc370) — 10/15/2016 @ 6:36 pm

    I hadn’t thought of that! We’ve dodged a bullet.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  340. @Gerald A:I hadn’t thought of that! We’ve dodged a bullet.

    I know, at least 36 of the 37 actual neo-Nazis in the country would probably have been elated by a Trump victory.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  341. @nk:No neo-Nazis swaggering about in the streets.

    There wouldn’t be any if Hillary lost either. I’m kind of surprised by you, that you allow the Clinton campaign to scare you with clowns.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e) — 10/15/2016 @ 6:39 pm

    I think he bought Hillary’s “Trump effect” line in the debate – about some alleged sudden increase in bullying. It’s a claim of the National Education Assoc. – right up there with climate change caused ISIS.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  342. Has it occurred to you, either, that alt.hate is a moving target, one that you, if are not sufficiently progressive, have already been added to?

    Now who’s paranoid?

    nk (dbc370)

  343. I think he bought Hillary’s

    If you had thought, you would not have written what you wrote. I am not a Trumpkin. I do not believe what politicians tell me.

    nk (dbc370)

  344. I used to think charles mccarry was making stuff up, it turns out better angels, and shelley’s heart, were not imaginative enough,

    narciso (d1f714)

  345. “Trumpkin”. Phew! Felt good to let that out. This civility stuff is overrated sometimes.

    nk (dbc370)

  346. @nk:Now who’s paranoid?

    Have you really not been paying attention?

    The media have been acting as if the Trump debacle were the biggest political story to come down the pike in some time. But the real story – one the popularity of Trump’s candidacy has revealed and inarguably the biggest political story of the last 50 years — is the decades-long transformation of Republicanism from a business-centered, small town, white Protestant set of beliefs into quite possibly America’s primary institutional force of bigotry, intellectual dishonesty, ignorance, warmongering, intractability and cruelty against the vulnerable and powerless.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  347. it’s morris dees trick bag, which is what dhs seems to be focused on intently, toward the end of the end of the last democratic term, they were focused on operation megiddo, and missed the main headline on purpose,

    narciso (d1f714)

  348. @nk:I do not believe what politicians tell me.

    You evidently believe that neo-Nazi clowns are real and represent a significant chunk of Hillary’s opposition. You seem to believe what Hillary and other progressive politicians would like you to believe.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  349. 338… You’ve pulled off a miracle there, you’ve beclowned and becankled yourself, demosthenes

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  350. I hadn’t thought of that! We’ve dodged a bullet.

    Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/15/2016 @ 6:46 pm

    Now you’re in nk’s wheelhouse. That’s something he’s had to do on a daily basis.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  351. in short, mccarry set his original around the year 2000, when a technocratic businessman, had been elected against the full galeforce of the kultursmog, and after a very liberal president has nearly fumbled the ball, almost allowing an aq like organization to detonate two nuke in the us, the intelligence services, fix the election to prevent the return of the former, with voting machines,

    narciso (d1f714)

  352. I’ve been commenting about this election for over a year, Gabriel. I have given more than a dozen reasons why I think the casino owner and his Slovenian “model” are not fit be within a mile of the White House. And I have more than a dozen reasons not to take you seriously.

    nk (dbc370)

  353. Have you really not been paying attention?

    The media have been acting as if the Trump debacle were the biggest political story to come down the pike in some time. But the real story – one the popularity of Trump’s candidacy has revealed and inarguably the biggest political story of the last 50 years — is the decades-long transformation of Republicanism from a business-centered, small town, white Protestant set of beliefs into quite possibly America’s primary institutional force of bigotry, intellectual dishonesty, ignorance, warmongering, intractability and cruelty against the vulnerable and powerless.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e) — 10/15/2016 @ 6:57 pm

    If you believe that the core of Trump’s support, which was largely based on his position on the border, derives from alt.hate then it’s hard not to conclude that anyone who wants to get the border under control is attempting to attract alt.hate voters. And that would include Ted Cruz of course. I recall the frustration of Patterico, myself and others trying to explain to Trumpers that Cruz was as good on the border as Trump.

    If some Republican nominee campaigns on the border in the future, they’ll be equated with Trump. And why shouldn’t they be, if you agree the border issue’s about alt.hate? I would expect any such nominee to be soundly rejected by nk. Although I’m guessing future GOP nominees will run away from the border issue, so nk won’t have to deal with that particular cognitive dissonance problem.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  354. @ Pete, #351:

    Your spewing of snobby, elistist, self-aggrandizing virtue-signaling rhetoric is classic cuckservative posturing…

    And your strung-together buzzwords meant to substitute for thought are a classic feature of the rhetoric perpetrated by alt-right Stormfront Nazis.

    But your position boils down to “I don’t know if Trump will do what he says, and he is so vulgar that I don’t really care how undeniably corrupt Hillary and the dems are, or that standing by in a manner that is de facto enabling of her taking the Presidency represents surrender to the left in the culture war foisted upon us.”

    For “I don’t know if Trump will do what he says,” substitute “I refuse to support a corrupt, cronyist liberal, no matter what party label is attached.” Then delete everything after that.

    You are certainly entitled to sneer at my position…

    Not entitled. Privileged and pleased. Remember: a vote for either Hillary or Trump is a vote against America.

    But no matter the mental gymnastics you use to self-deceive, refusing to vote for Trump even without casting your ballot for Hillary, equates to support of Hillary and the leftist agenda no matter how much you stomp your feet or hold your breath as you insist you aren’t supporting her corruption.

    First, this isn’t true. Second, even if it were, you will be happy to know that as a resident of a deep-red state, my vote (or lack thereof) will have absolutely no impact on the election. Since my supposed support of Madam Pantsuit will be drowned in a tidal wave of votes from people whom I guess never bothered to read that passage about the wolf in sheep’s clothing, you can save your time trying to “persuade” me to support Spray-Tan Donny by questioning my manhood and/or my conservatism. Since my vote will have no impact on the election, I’ll cast it for whom I please. And you, good sir, can find an extra-large corkscrew, sit on it, and give yourself a few good spins. It’ll be good preparation for the next four years under Hillary, which the nomination of Trump has assured us of suffering through.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  355. @ Gabriel Hanna, #343:

    According to progressives, you are worse than anyone who votes Trump.

    I have gotten this far in life not caring what progressives thought of me. It’s an attitude that saw me through four years of college in the Northeast and two graduate programs. Why change now?

    A principled public stand will soon no longer be possible for most people.

    That was true the moment Trump was nominated.

    @ Rev. Hoagie, #348:

    After reading what I wrote Demosthenes, it did sound that way. I was trying to say that from my view one of the saddest unintended consequences of this whole election cycle has been the total collapse of decency between former Republican allies.

    That sounded like what you were saying because that’s what you were saying. Own your words, man! That’s not the first time someone has said or implied (just on this site) that I am either akin to a leftist or a cuckservative, just because I’m actually a conservative who refuses to vote for a lifelong card-carrying leftist under any circumstances. If you choose to do so, that is your own misfortune.

    @ Col. Haiku, #372:

    Okay, I have to admit I chuckled. But you are still a sad, stupidlittle Trumpkin who needs to take my advice to Pete above re: the corkscrew.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  356. have you read card’s backstory of how the bug war came to be, I alway thought the original work left something to be desired, which is fair since it started out as a novella,

    narciso (d1f714)

  357. just because I’m actually a conservative who refuses to vote for a lifelong card-carrying leftist under any circumstances.
    Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/15/2016 @ 7:25 pm

    He is not a “lifelong card-carrying leftist”. This stuff is delusional.

    The RINO NeverTrumps backing Clinton (who are the majority of NeverTrumps) may be idiots, but they aren’t delusional (at least as far as hallucinating that Trump and Clinton are indistinguishable policywise).

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  358. No, I’m not a Card follower. I loved Sandmagic, hated Hart’s Hope and it turned me off of any more from him.

    nk (dbc370)

  359. occasionally there is some actual journalism being practiced, actually information gathering,

    From @FoxNews Catherine Herridge: Officials discussed deal in which State would re-classify Clinton email in return for FBI jobs overseas.

    narciso (d1f714)

  360. well that’s an odd place to start, his empire series wasn’t his best,

    narciso (d1f714)

  361. Get out of your mother’s basement, Demosthenes, get some fresh air. Schoolyard taunts are beneath the self-image you want to project.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  362. @nk:I have given more than a dozen reasons why I think the casino owner and his Slovenian “model” are not fit be within a mile of the White House.

    Ah, but that was not the question I asked. I agree with you that Trump is unfit. I asked you to outline why you believe a Hillary administration to be better; which is where I disagree with you.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  363. @Demosthenes:I have gotten this far in life not caring what progressives thought of me. It’s an attitude that saw me through four years of college in the Northeast and two graduate programs. Why change now?

    They care intensely what they think of you, and they will have lot more power to punish you for what you think soon if Hillary gets her 270 votes.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  364. My self-image is just fine, thanks. BTW, I have found that most liquor stores stock a wide variety of corkscrews, if that helps.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  365. She beat you to the punch, Demosthenes.

    “An artist and vagina-haver named Davison is “grabbing back” at Donald Trump’s p*ssy comments by painting a portrait of him using her own. That’s one way to do it!”

    http://www.someecards.com/videos/wtf/donald-trump-artist-paint-protest-davison/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  366. @Demosthenes:My self-image is just fine, thanks.

    Perhaps you’re retired then, or independently wealthy; if your livelihood cannot easily be threatened and you have no dependents then very likely you won’t have too many problems.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  367. yikes somethings in the minds eye, cannot be unseen, polyphemus says hi,

    narciso (d1f714)

  368. and they will have lot more power to punish you for what you think soon if Hillary gets her 270 votes.

    The polls say you have selected the wrong preposition. Not “if,” but “when.” And again, that’s because of Trump.

    Believe me, I take no pleasure in the thought of a Hillary presidency. But there’s nothing I can do about it anymore. I will vote for every Republican on my ballot*, hope like hell that the GOP manages to hang on to at least one house of Congress, and otherwise try to survive the next four years.

    * Since there is no Republican running for president in my state, I’ll vote for Gary Johnson instead.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  369. You presume that I believe a Hillary administration will be “better”. “Better” is your operative word, right?

    Ok, this is a serious answer. I don’t know that a Hillary administration will be better. In fact, I very much doubt that it will be better. I don’t think that it will be so much “worse” that we need to put Trump and his baggage in the White House to prevent it.

    nk (dbc370)

  370. 169. Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/14/2016 @ 6:09 pm

    Who would ever have expected Hillary to try to win an election based solely on CHARACTER!?

    It doesn’t really surprise me.

    She can’t run on the issues, and besides people have different opinions about issues, but a large supermajority agrees on what is good character. So all she has to do is lie and misrepresent character. Sometimes that involves attacking the character of an entire political party — that they don’t care about people, are for the rich etc. That’s a character attack.

    Competence is also a possible issue. In 1992, George Bush was suppoeed to be incompetent because he didn’t recognize theer was a recession. The problem there is the vulgar definition and the economists defintion ofa recession are different. Bush also was actually incompetent.

    Bill Clinton managed to make the character issue mostly go away in 1992 after the primaries by arguing against “negative campaigning” That included a carefully selected question in the town hall debate. He probably had doubke agents in other campaigns, who got them not to use it. George Bush was turning away such accusations, and Perot, if anything, was made suspicious of Bush.

    Clinton ran on the compteence issue, and his “economic plan” which he discarded at the forst opportunity.

    In 1984, in his re-election for Governor for Governor he had as his opponent in the Democratic primary probably not by accident none other than the infamous Orval Faubus.

    The Clintons have often cast themselves as the lesser of 2 evils.

    So this is not a big surprise.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  371. @ Col. Haiku, #388: Sounds like you’ve found your kindred spirit.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  372. in answer to the earlier question,

    https://twitter.com/VanWagoner/status/787475859082911744

    narciso (d1f714)

  373. @Demosthenes:The polls say you have selected the wrong preposition. Not “if,” but “when.”

    Yeah, they said that about the Brexit polls too. Which is not to say that every poll is wrong, maybe not even most of them. The real poll is election day and when Hillary collapsed a few weeks ago even Patterico thought Trump had it in the bag then. A lot can still happen between now and then.

    But consider two things:

    a) The media colludes with the Hillary campaign now.
    b) Lots of people claim that campaigns have access to “internal” polls that are much more accurate. Let’s assume that’s true–what is the implication? The implication is that the polling industry knows how to do “real” polling, and either chooses not to perform that kind of polling for the media, or the media is not interested in commissioning them. Why is that?

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  374. @nk:I don’t think that it will be so much “worse” that we need to put Trump and his baggage in the White House to prevent it.

    Ok.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  375. The media colludes with the Hillary campaign now.

    And water was recently discovered to be wet.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  376. @Demosthenes:And water was recently discovered to be wet.

    Yeah, so perhaps some skepticism about what is presented to you is in order.

    What say you to my second point?

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  377. they don’t really care what we think; they tell us what they want us to believe, yet we’re accepting even a quarter of this at face value, after a baker’s dozen years,

    narciso (d1f714)

  378. see they misjudge their slavish status,

    https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/787486553425661952

    narciso (d1f714)

  379. @ Gabriel Hanna, #399:

    Yeah, so perhaps some skepticism about what is presented to you is in order.

    Funny. I remember saying something like that in 2012. Media colluding with Obama, fixing the polls to deflate support for Romney. Unfortunately for you, I remember how that turned out.

    What say you to my second point?

    You didn’t make a second point. You asserted a claim based on questionably reliable evidence, asked me to assume the truth of said claim, and then ask me what my conclusions are based on that truth. We both know what you want me to conclude, so get on with your argument, if you like.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  380. Too late for you, Demosthenes. You just had to have that last bikini waxing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  381. they forget the other part of the story, the use of osha, doj, irs, on the largest part of the pro freedom forces, it wasn’t their wonderful data mining skills,

    narciso (d1f714)

  382. Yes sir, Colonel. Silky smooth, and proud of it. BTW, sorry they couldn’t do yours. Guess all thoe genital warts really get in the way, huh?

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  383. he does realize his state will not be red for long does he, between the ‘syrian’ flow and the amnesty of illegals,

    narciso (d1f714)

  384. @Demosthenes: I remember saying something like that in 2012

    What you were saying then is not what I am saying. But don’t take it from me, take it from Nate Silver:

    Nate Silver fared terribly in Thursday’s UK election: In his pre-election forecast, he gave 278 seats to Conservatives and 267 to Labour. Shortly after midnight, he was forecasting 272 seats for Conservatives and 271 for Labour. But when the sun rose in London on Friday, Conservatives had an expected 329 seats, against Labour’s 233.
    The fault, Silver claimed, was with the polling: “It’s becoming increasingly clear that pre-election polls underestimated how well Conservatives would do and overestimated Labour’s result,” the statistician guru wrote in the wee hours of the morning. (He also overestimated the Liberal Democrats’ result by roughly 20 seats).

    But the problem went beyond the UK. “The World May Have A Polling Problem,” Silver asserted. “In fact, it’s become harder to find an election in which the polls did all that well.” Silver went on to cite four examples where the polls had failed to provide an accurate forecast of the election outcome: the Scottish independence referendum, the 2014 U.S. midterms, the Israeli legislative elections, and even the 2012 U.S. presidential election, where “Obama beat the final polling averages by about 3 points nationwide.”

    “[T]here are lots of reasons to worry about the state of the polling industry,” Silver concluded, citing a range of factors. “There may be more difficult times ahead for the polling industry.”

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  385. there does seem to be this odd fixation with body parts, yes trump liked beautiful women from ivanka to the current ms. sarkozy to melania, which really makes the ones making the charges a litttle suspect, bill clinton like a dog in heat, wasn’t very particular,

    narciso (d1f714)

  386. @Demosthenes: So to continue, the pollsters themselves know how problematic the polls are. I’m not accusing anyone of deliberately “skewing” polls. I’m saying that when the polls tell media what they want people to believe, they run the polls, and when they don’t they run think pieces from people like Nate Silver about how no one really knows how to poll.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  387. hence the hacked voting machines squirrel, all of whose theories going back to voldemort and the kennedy whelp, who may have been adopted, show they have no understanding how these machines work,

    narciso (d1f714)

  388. the colombian referendum is another case in point, few wanted to say they were against peace, but the nature of the settlement favoring the guerillas, was something else again, of course santos got back in power due to a #neveruribista splinter candidate,

    narciso (d1f714)

  389. Of course, Gabriel, one could say that if you liked what the polls were saying, you wouldn’t be pursuing this line of argument. That would be unfair, but one could say that.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  390. @Demosthenes:one could say that if you liked what the polls were saying,

    If I liked what my magic 8 ball told me about my decision to purchase lottery tickets, I might talk about how great magic 8 balls are, too.

    In the end you still have to decide, based on evidence, what kinds of processes you are likely to trust. In this situation even the people who are judged most likely to know sometimes have egg on their faces.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  391. Well, those look like hybrid compact Japanese cars, so maybe another narrative or narratives applies

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  392. @Demosthenes: Coming back from Las Vegas once I was behind a guy in security who was talking on the phone about how he’d won so much money in the casinos it more than paid for the trip. It did not tempt me to gamble. Because I understand how gambling works.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  393. I understood your point. You seem to have missed mine entirely.

    You were saying that the media will believe, or disbelieve, polls based on what they want to hear. I am saying that the same argument could apply to you.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  394. @Demosthenes:I am saying that the same argument could apply to you.

    So what if it does? Anyone could believe anything or not for any reason, right?

    But I did not tell you that the polls are wrong. I told you that the people who are most expert in it say that they are having problems. Are you noticing that the reporting on polls includes this context? I’m not.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  395. everything is about narrative, somelivesmatter, the pennstate crew, the levick team, which issue the get out of gitmo cards, btw, one little mentioned outrage was how the times compared them to vietnam pows, the acorn gang, that o’keefe unraveled,

    narciso (d1f714)

  396. @Demosthenes: So did I just invent that thing I cited then? Do only people who want to elect Trump (a group which does not include me) read Nate Silver or look at his polls?

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  397. of course, they found something negative in his outreach to india,

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-india-idUSKBN12G00C

    narciso (d1f714)

  398. Why should you trust Nate Silver’s testimony? He is, after all, a member of the media, which you have said is in bed with the Democrats. And this story was run in a media outlet, no? Perhaps this is just what they want you to think — that polls are becoming less and less accurate — to lay the groundwork for stealing future elections.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  399. no, he has predicted and fallen short on more than one occasion, this is why they move to the ‘hacked elections’ in 2002 and 2004, note there was no further complaint in 2006 and 2008, because the hack couldn’t he done, right,

    narciso (d1f714)

  400. @Demosthenes:Why should you trust Nate Silver’s testimony?

    It is an incontrovertible fact that he got the polling wrong in that election. He made the prediction beforehand for every one to see, and got it wrong, the elections did not turn out that way.

    Perhaps this is just what they want you to think

    Be as silly about it as you like.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  401. Polling the UK has always been harder than polling the US. 1992 in particular, I remember, was a lousy year, but something like this happens in more general elections than not.

    Be as silly about it as you like.

    You think that the media at large is an unreliable source. You think that pollsters are having difficulty accurately forecasting the electorate. Both of these things could be true. But you’ll excuse me if I find it funny that you support one contention in a way that seemingly ignores your distrust for the other.

    In any case, the Cubs have won and now I am happy, so I will sign off for the night and go to bed.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  402. he really is trying to be too clever by half, nate silver’s job is as much to demoralize, the shape the news as to report it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  403. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/15/2016 @ 11:37 am

    Richard Nixon’s proximate sin over Watergate was interfering with an FBI investigation.”

    Agreeing on June 23, 1972, to interfere. In order to cover up a fact already known – that the Watergate burglars were paid by the Committee to Elect the President.

    John Dean falsely attributed the idea of having the CIA claim some operation in Mexico would be exposed or something to John Ehrlichman.

    There was no actual intereference with the investigation, because the CIA didn’t agree to lie to the FBI, and by July 6, Nixon told L Patrick Gray to conduct his investigation impartially and let the chips fall where they may.

    Later on, in March, 1973 he agreed to pay “hush money” to E. Howard Hunt – that has actually been paid the day before by John Dean but he didn’t know it, nor did he know that John Dean was lying to him about Hunt blackmailing him. Nixon agreed in order to buy time.

    The money was keep him quiet, not about Watergate, but about the burglary of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office, which Hunt was supposedly threatening to reveal. John Dean knew that Nioxon had no intention of covering up anything about the Watergate break-in, so he assigned a different threat to Hunt. Nixon believed that burglary of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office had been legal, albeit maybe politically controversial, because it was the whole thing was a legitimate national security matter.

    That was the extent of his participation in any kind of cover-up.

    The words “I want you all to stonewall it” were probably invented by Hillary Rodham when she was secretly assigned to make transcripts of the tapes, by John Doar in an off the record manner.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  404. 405… Good Lord, son. Sell that Girl Scout cookie somewhere else.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  405. Speaking of girl scouts, and please not the cub scouts eating brownies jokes:http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/mike-pence-body-image-question/

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  406. lucein conein, the kansas born french corsican who helped take down diem, also organized what would eventually become the dea, was asked how would watergate have turned out, if he had been in charge, ‘they would have gotten away with it’ there’s also another interesting butterfly effect moment, for a time when ellsberg was with lansdale’s staff, he was seeing the moll of a caid, corsican boss, they save his backside, getting him stateside, had the latter succeeded, likely no pentagon papers release, no watergate,

    narciso (d1f714)

  407. 421. Nobody was there to whisper to Modi about that there H1B repatriation.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  408. priorities, this administration has thrown india under the bus, in favor of pakistan which has not really been keeping their side of the bargain,

    narciso (d1f714)

  409. Yeah, mass H1b recission would probably be a demo/fiscal drop in the bucket in a nation that size, it is not the do or die lifeline for those towns as it is for the Rancho.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  410. just like if the us govt were really as ruthless as portrayed in the bourne films, they would have capped snowden in geneva, as soon as they spotted him in contact with the russians, as with agee, this legend of an disgruntled operative that had to spill his guts, doesn’t really fly,

    of course, you know what really set kissinger off, ellsberg had sent a copy of the siop, nuclear targeting list, to the soviets,

    narciso (d1f714)

  411. some of this I learned from james hougan, who took a further look at operations from the 50s one, he later went into fiction, labeled as such,

    narciso (d1f714)

  412. About that SIOP and its Soviet counterpart, here’s some trivia – which American city had the fourth most nuclear warheads aimed at it through 1988?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  413. colorado springs or omaha, nebraska, perhaps for overkill,

    narciso (d1f714)

  414. The Colonel who ran the tribune, wonders why did I bother,

    They portrayed him as a public servant who never “went Washington”; a pragmatist, not an ideologue; calm in a crisis; and a well-mannered and loyal boss who, despite the weight of the world, never lost his sense of humor.

    narciso (d1f714)

  415. That would be plausible, had they seen the original Red Dawn and vowed to stamp out the junior high version of the Wolverines

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  416. But actually it was Atlanta (TIME, July 1988’s DNC preview issue). Jesse Jackson’s Common ground speech was a barn burner.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  417. they wanted to hit the command and control centers, so cheyenne mountain and sac headquarters,

    narciso (d1f714)

  418. …and black voters did a lot of ballot blanking against Greek wearing lifts because of the VP snub.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  419. narciso (d1f714) — 10/15/2016 @ 9:14 pm

    of course, you know what really set kissinger off, ellsberg had sent a copy of the siop, nuclear targeting list, to the soviets,

    No, I didn’t hear anythong like that, bt I miss knowing details. So maybe.

    The connection beween the Pentagon Papers and Watergate, is that the burglars were originally the White House plumbers, then Liddy got put in charge of intelligence for CREEP.

    Liddy actually had a double agent in the McGovern campaign HQ, Tom Gregory was his name, sent there by Robert F. Bennett, later Senator from Utah until defeated by the Tea Party in 2010. Gregory was supposed to put a bug there. His attempts to plant a bug always failed, probably because he was, by then at least, a triple agent and he never intened the bugs to work. So Liddy decided to go ahead and plant one there from outide. Then Jeb Stuart Magruder tells him to bug the Democratic National headquarters first so that was the first thing to do that night. Tom Gregory quit in advance of the break-in. Liddy wasn’t actually so stupid as to believe that the DNC was the center of campaign planning.

    What I don’t know is if there was a way that Magruder could know they’d get caught and the attempt to plant bugs would fail. The burglars could have been sent in order to get caught, so they’d never pplant a bug at the McGovern headquatrters. In this theory they were betrayed from within, maybe by James McCord (so they’d get caught) and John Dean and Jeb Stuart Magruder were working together with some Democrats with the goal of making Spiro Agnew president. (have the democrat lose, ad get Nixon caught in a scandal and impeached.) A bug would reveal this. This makes more sense than any other theory as to why Liddy was told by Magruder (and Dean) to bug the DNC.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  420. jackson was obama 1.0 the beta model, they both had left wing connections up they ying yang, but he was nc state, had the afro, had the rhyming thing, obama is quite nearly as foolish, perhaps even more so, but he had the patina of credentials, even though they didn’t mean anything, they also learned you have to really tank the economy in order to win,

    narciso (d1f714)

  421. that’s what I’m here for sammeh, they only told about a tenth of the story back then, in part to make it seem that nixon’s behavior was out of the question,

    narciso (d1f714)

  422. narciso @211. That brings out that the issue of classified infomration is a quite separate issue from that of having a private server.

    narciso @212. The point isa collecting money, even if a few properties wind up paying nothing.

    narciso @225. The British are serious and have made a decision. It won;’t ne necessary to actually shoot down any Russian planes, any more than Israel has. And it wasn’t necessary for Turkey, either,

    narciso @227. Who is Jones? What is this about? Paula Jones? What memo would bete be called a book?

    narciso @229. That is in line with what I am saying. Terrorists are either second generation or converts – people whose knowledge of Islam comes from terrorist supporters.. It’s like a heresy.

    narciso @330. Ken Bone asked a semi-tough question so he gets punished, probably to deter journalists, or anybody who knows to ask Hillary a really tough question. A person wo knows a tough question to ask woluld notice. Or maybe just to discourage the questions and answer from circulating more.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  423. jones memo, the argument for giving up the campaign in 2008, and blaming the huntress for it, hence the leaks to halperin and heileman from wallace and schmidt

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/uss-mason-fired-on-again/index.html

    that’s out story and we’re sticking to it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  424. 260. nk (dbc370) — 10/15/2016 @ 7:55 am

    Anyhow, this is by way of Instapundit: http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2016/10/14/trump-campaigns-eyewitness-once-claimed-to-be-a-procurer-of-boys-for-sex-parties-with-british-politicians/

    I think this British guy is just lying. He claims Donald Trump gave him his cufflinks. And didn’t he move the alleged incident up to 2980 or 1981 from 1979?

    I think most likely Donald Trump never met Jessica Leeds. In 1979 Donald Trump wasn’t famous. So if it happened, how does she know it was him? She says unwanted advances happened other times with other men as well.

    Supposedly, she gets a vacant seat in first class and is moved there from coach, and sits down next to Donald Trump , whom she never met before. He introduces himself and shakes her hand,, she reveals she is divorced, and, after the meal and some talk, he begins groping her, lifting an armrest which couldn’t be lifted, and she runs back to coach.

    Somehow she remembers his name and she sees him again around two years later (1981) at a charity event, during which he calls her a name and she thinks he recognized her. She then puts the whole thing out of her mind, never tells anyone, but starts telling her son, a nephew, and two friends and maybe others after Donald Trump begins running for president in 2015.

    She watches the second debate with one friend and neighbor, and sees Donald Trump say he never actually did what he talked about, and her friend tells her she needs to tell her story and she eails the New York Times and later she gives the NYT a series of interviews.

    The NYT checks out things, including getting four people to say they heard her tell this in the last year, and verifing that Donald Trump at that time did not own private jets.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  425. 450. It seems like the Trump campaign actually used the statement or claims of this British man (according to yesterday’s New York Daily News. Maybe not too surprising – Trump doesn’t care about te truth, and he probably has no memory that could help him. He probably could not say if ever took such a trip.

    Sammy Finkelman (09d1ac)

  426. Holy guacamole, Sammy! Trump’s buddy and “eyewitness”, to whom he gave cufflinks, is a pedophile pimp. By his own confession. He procured boys for homosexual child molesters to molest. That’s a story that’s worse than the groping of Jessica Leeds. What future President of the United States hangs out with people like that? And the Trump campaign put him out there to defend Trump! Or is pedophilia now also “normal”, along with homosexuality and transvestitism?

    I know, I know, the Sultan of Salamionryestan contributed a million dinars to the Clinton Foundation so Hillary can repeal the Second Amendment with a telephone call and the stroke of an eyebrow pencil while Huma makes it a capital offense for people to make movies about her.

    nk (dbc370)

  427. Child molester Epstein was a good FOB.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  428. much like Jesus Mr. Trump says go and sin no more

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  429. #NeverTrump #White-TogaedNinnies

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  430. Good Sunday morning reading…

    “Trump’s fortune rises and falls, and it is when his defeat seems most certain that the Trump bashers are most piqued.
    1. They get pretty darned upset if anyone dares to question their commitment to the conservative cause. Which is odd, because #NeverTrump means there is something more important than that. Right? That’s the meaning. They’ve sequenced their priorities in a way that makes the most sense to them, and defeating liberalism, supporting conservatism, these didn’t make the cut. Why then all the anger directed against whoever notices?

    2. They do share a close kinship with liberals, as a matter of fact, in that they’re just so anxious to show what a supreme command they have over the subject matter under discussion. They fancy themselves to be authorities. They want to be thought of as authorities. It is their way of convincing, however, that interests me, much more than the fact that they want to do this convincing: Their method of persuasion is to demonstrate the extraordinarily high level of difficulty that is involved in telling them anything. The foundation of what they seek to argue, therefore, is that people know best after some extended period of time spent not learning anything.

    3. They are putting a great volume of energy into bringing about a disaster, for which they will not take any ownership. Some of them are already getting ready to blame the opposition, the “Trump supporters,” for Hillary Clinton’s impending victory. This is unseemly, at best, and a sign of mental illness at worst.

    4. They see themselves as independent thinkers. Independent thinkers, by definition, are hard to manipulate, if they can be manipulated at all. They demonstrate this, unfortunately, by being easily offended. That’s a problem, because it’s not hard to manipulate you if it’s easy to offend you.

    5. They are very bothered by the lately emerging signs that character no longer matters, or is no longer valued. But they themselves care nothing about their bedfellows in the #NeverTrump orgy, what level of character they possess. Very rarely do I see a #NeverTrump protest that a statement injurious to Donald Trump, while tantalizing, is just too demonstrably untrue, too easily proven false, too craven, too low-balled. Nothing is too low for them. Anybody who shares this common enemy, with them, must be their friend. And then they wonder what happened to valuing character.”

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/5minute_arguments/on_the_dead_end_trump_bas.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  431. 456. Word.

    Another big step down is imminent:

    In reality, our society enduring a long-term collapse that may take decades to fully develop. There will be moments of rapid decline, much like the financial collapse of 2008, but overall we seem to be falling on a long trajectory.

    Goldman Sachs admitted as much this week when their top analysts claimed that the third wave of the financial collapse of 2008, is rapidly approaching. Aside from how weird it is to hear a major financial institution admit that the crash of 2008 never ended, a fact that Austrian economists, conservatives, and libertarians have been saying for years, they also admitted that debt will be at the root of the approaching crisis.

    This wave is characterised by rock-bottom commodities prices, stalling growth in China and other emerging-markets economies, and low global inflation, Goldman Sachs analysts led by Peter Oppenheimer said in a big-picture note.

    This triple whammy has its roots in the response to the first two waves of crisis — the banking collapse and European sovereign-debt crisis — and it is all part of the so-called debt supercycle of the past few decades.

    Central banks all rushed to lower interest rates in response to the first two debt-fueled crises, encouraging investors to lend in emerging markets such as China for a decent return.

    Now that interest rates are looking as if they might go up, lenders are heading for the exits and investors are pulling out of commodities, which are closely linked to the fate of the emerging economies.

    Obamaney care rates and plan changes all come in 2 weeks.

    The canary of canaries is tits up(chart):

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/10/13/20161015_RPI.jpg

    US commercial bankruptcies are up YoY 38% after being up 26% for the first 9 months of 2016 with regard to the same period in 2015.

    QED, the big market sell off triggering at Dow 17,992 is at most weeks away.

    DNF (755a85)

  432. Well, this is a pitiful midnight tweet from the twit. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-saturday-night-live-229852

    The ridiculous buffoon kicked off his campaign on SNL with a “Melania For First Lady” skit, and now that it’s making him look like a fool (not a hard thing to do) he’s starting to realize that they put him up there because he would be so easy to knock down.

    nk (dbc370)

  433. 451.

    Hypocrisy is a painful thing to watch. It’s beyond laughable to watch the biased media culture and all the Hillary-supporting politicians go Puritanical when it comes to sex. The morally righteous never had this problem with Bill Clinton, and they don’t have a problem with Hillary’s mind-numbing evasiveness when it comes to partnering with one of the highest profile sexual predators of all time.

    Hypocrisy is a symptom. People are hypocrites only when they’re evading something big. What the Clintonistas try to hide is they care about only one thing: Power. They don’t care about respect for women, because to respect women you first have to respect individuality. Their entire lives have been based on the acquisition of political power and the millions of dollars they receive when that power is peddled and sold on the government market. They care nothing for the preservation of individual rights. They care only about rewarding their donors and advancing their socialist causes.

    As for career politicians like John McCain and Paul Ryan, why should anyone care what they think? They are nothing more than managers for the collapsing imperial state. Their squandering of America’s Constitution and fiscal future for the sake of their own power trips makes Trump’s sleazy comments seem like nothing in comparison.

    So again, what is #nevertrump really about? What about the ‘status quo’ is so important to their interest. Morality is just an implausible cover.

    DNF (755a85)

  434. 457. “Nothing is too low for them.”

    And this fact alone personifies them going forward. ‘Talk to the hand’ will be their epitaph.

    DNF (755a85)

  435. Power. That which by dint of their arrival in the lettered nouveau bourgeois ought to belong to them, has been revealed to exceed their grasp.

    Permanently.

    So they determine to go out aflame, spinning wildly, screaming ‘BANZAI‘ short of the target.

    Loozers all.

    DNF (755a85)

  436. So it’s the Trump golf course in Los Angeles, and a lady goes up to the club’s golf pro.

    She says, “I want to make a complaint. Donald Trump just kissed me out on the golf course.

    He says, “Where?”

    She says, “Between the first and second holes”.

    And he says, “Your stance is too wide”.

    nk (dbc370)

  437. 463. I wish I could tell jokes. Laughing thru the middle ruins it.

    DNF (755a85)

  438. And Leeds mishandled a million dollars as a broker, no one mentions she’s as trustworthy as a garbage show.

    narciso (d1f714)

  439. Lets not forget Obama campaigned on ‘bubba the love sponge’ radio show an artefact that makes Howard stern seem like meet the press.

    narciso (d1f714)

  440. Clarice points out some other inconsistencies.

    narciso (d1f714)

  441. The Leeds story could have been easily dismissed. It’s something that’s easy to lie about and difficult to disprove. But for:
    1. The Access Hollywood tape (big corroboration); and
    2. The campaign bringing out the pedo as a defense witness (no, no, no you don’t want to do something like that).
    Stepping on a rake? Yup, the Professor is right, it is a rake, the other thing is way too small to be stepped on.

    And what about the other Dirtied Half Dozen?

    nk (dbc370)

  442. 467. FWIW, Clarice is a lawyer, they’re not all godless ph*cks.

    DNF (755a85)

  443. He volunteered himself you want to talk of the den of scum and villainy the daily mail trawls in.

    narciso (d1f714)

  444. 468. Well, there is Arnold’s love-child mother to bolster ‘there is no accounting for taste’ among the very rich.

    For this epistemologist, the noise factor in a story like this overwhelms any conceivable lesson other than its politics just like America’s founding.

    DNF (755a85)

  445. I’m sure all those corroborating witnesses on the bay, are as clean as the wind driven snow, my friend clarice took up norma rae’s case against jp stevens, the first appeal against the watergate witchhunt, the maladroit prosecutor failed upwards to a vp slot at united technologies,

    narciso (d1f714)

  446. 468. 1. I see no necessary connection, i.e., some pattern of behavior.

    DNF (755a85)

  447. yes, much like johnnie cochran’s squirrel against fuhrman, some guys shooting the breeze on a bus, what do you think our jigolo secretary of state’s outtakes are like,

    narciso (d1f714)

  448. say what you like

    (while you still can)

    about the GOPe

    they are a more generous bunch than the democrats

    on july 20 they handed hillary the presidency

    (i stole that from snl)

    nk (dbc370)

  449. 472. It is certainly a cheaper buy than tube time or direct purchase of the dead.

    DNF (755a85)

  450. a followup from last night,

    http://bangordailynews.com/2016/10/15/news/bangor/vandals-spray-paint-at-least-20-vehicles-outside-trump-rally-in-bangor/

    it’s about typical for madison or frisco , I’m figuring

    narciso (d1f714)

  451. The target possibilities for American cruise missles:

    http://www.ausairpower.net/Google-Earth/SYRIAOVERVIEW2010.jpg

    “The Kosovo War serves to remind of the F-117 that was shot down by Soviet systems (S-125) dating from the 1960s.”

    DNF (755a85)

  452. Axelrod is stealth Team Trump, explained to me in an early 2012 broadcast of Michael Savage. Clinton’s were never his benefactor, thus no loyalty.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  453. Is the West coast version of Sam Wuerzelbach open for Wednesday, either as heckler or would be assassin. The latter would be the “out” fulfilling Axelrods ad ice.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  454. advice

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  455. The media suggested that on Friday JayVee would make some sort of decision re: action in Syria.

    Was the cyber war heralded by Joe the Foreign Policy expert it? That is the pattern, telegraph our intent.

    DNF (755a85)

  456. In this election – that the #NeverTrumpers think is lost and not worth any effort from anybody, because it’s a lost cause and all – it’s all Trump hate, and it’s ALL the time. For the folks who want Trump to win, talking about it all the time is understandable. For the people who don’t want Trump to win because “it makes no difference”, this laser-like focus on Trump makes no sense at all. If a person feels very strongly – confident – that something doesn’t make any difference, it occurs to me that a normal person would talk about something else.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  457. Lefties get their news and political strategies from washed-up comedians and comedy shows that talented writers fled years ago.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  458. “POLITICO: “Donald Trump has lost little support since the first presidential debate, despite days of damaging news stories about his treatment of women, according to a new poll.”

    Ann Althouse: “That’s Politico, putting in rather bland terms something that ought to be powerfully alarming to those who cannot abide even the risk that Trump could win the presidency. Why isn’t he losing by a lot more? What explains his pesky resiliency?”

    Why isn’t Hillary ahead by 50 points? Quoth Althouse: “She must be truly loathed. I know she wants to win, but imagine winning like that, knowing you are not wanted.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/246500/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  459. the pig furthers the corruption of the failmerican government in a truly bloodthirsty and special way

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  460. 483. Biden was probably just an impersonator.

    The CIA wouldn’t seem to be the spear to chuck, rather the DOD or NSA. Moreover, the map of interconnectedness of Russia to the Internet is far too complex to make this an easy task. Where Egypt had only 3 ISPs to shutdown during Arab Spring, Russia appears to have thousands, hundreds in St. Petersburg alone.

    DNF (755a85)

  461. Despite 2 weeks of what may be the worst media attack on a political candidate in the history of television, the fact that the Trump-Pence ticket is still within striking distance is remarkable.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  462. 484. “a normal person would talk about something else.”

    The ex is a world-class perseverator, idiot-savant PhD. Read this week a new hypothesis on PTSD linking improper virtual wiring between the amygdala, frontal cortex and hippocampus wherein the afflicted cannot properly take context into account when processing stimuli.

    You may onto something. This distaste for the candidate has kicked their neurons into a chaotic locked-loop.

    Another pR0n addiction.

    DNF (755a85)

  463. Lol… They are mostly cut from different stock.

    If we need to be reminded, “Just think of the MSM as Democratic operatives with bylines, and it all makes sense.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  464. Lol… watching Monica Crowley making the strong case against Clinton, ticking off the long list of criminal actions, lack of judgement, incompetence, and malfeasance that Trump needs to focus on and the horrified, alarmed look on Joe Trippi’s face as she was saying it was most amusing.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  465. 489. And the polling is subject to systematic error, wishcasting,(graph).

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/10/08/20161015_stats1.jpg

    The 538 average of polls Nate Silver processes via some algorithm adjusting for the individual pollster’s past variance from reality(trust him) shows some larger rail-to-rail flailing than one might expect this late in the day.

    Right now pollsters are surveying party affiliation. We should see some reversion to the mean simply because some pollsters worry about their reputations and want to be half-azzed close to the final result.

    IMO, Nate doesn’t give a rat’s patoot.

    DNF (755a85)

  466. LAT blames Trump for dividing teh nation… Hahaha!

    “As he fell further behind in polls and battled allegations of sexual misconduct in recent days, Donald Trump moved to darker corners. He sketched out conspiracies involving global bankers, casually threatened to jail his political opponent, and warned in increasingly specific terms that a loss by him would spell the end of civilization.

    The distrust of U.S. institutions that Trump has nurtured among his core supporters is readily apparent.

    One North Carolina man predicted in an interview that the military would probably assassinate Hillary Clinton if she’s elected president. A woman at an Iowa town hall for Trump’s running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, offered to join a revolution if Clinton prevails. Another man at an Ocala, Fla., rally was certain Trump would fire the FBI and scores of other federal bureaucrats in a housecleaning if he wins.

    Many who have watched Trump’s campaign warn that the spread of such ideas may be only the beginning. The scorched-earth strategy Trump has adopted risks creating a lasting and bitter divide in American society, they say.”

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-scorched-earth-snap-story.html

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  467. #484 Colonel Haiku,

    They’re the proverbial guy who claims to be over his ex-girlfriend (or ex-wife), yet can’t stop yapping to his buddies at the Saturday night poker game about how she wronged him.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  468. 453. nk (dbc370) — 10/16/2016 @ 5:43 am

    Holy guacamole, Sammy! Trump’s buddy and “eyewitness”, to whom he gave cufflinks, is a pedophile pimp. By his own confession. He procured boys for homosexual child molesters to molest.

    And he claimed he was doing that at the age of 17 – in other words, already a year or two before he allegedly was in the same plane, a Braniff 707 – except Braniff didn’t fly 707s – with Donald Trump and Jessica Leeds on board flying from somewhere in Texas to New York. The only plane in existence maybe that had armrests in first class that could be lifted.

    That’s a story that’s worse than the groping of Jessica Leeds. What future President of the United States hangs out with people like that? And the Trump campaign put him out there to defend Trump! Or is pedophilia now also “normal”, along with homosexuality and transvestitism?

    No, the Trump campaign just fell into a trap. They’ll grab on to any defense.

    The Leeds story is most likely false. Miss Utah is the most likely of all the stories to be true. Trump’s likely getting unhinged because some of these stories are false. I know, I know, the Sultan of Salamionryestan contributed a million dinars to the Clinton Foundation so Hillary can repeal the Second Amendment with a telephone call and the stroke of an eyebrow pencil while Huma makes it a capital offense for people to make movies about her. There is now revealed almost open and shut criminality regarding aid to Haiti after the earthquake in 2010.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  469. Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Just remember, only three weeks until we find out how the world comes to an end.
    Meanwhile
    http://reason.com/archives/2016/10/12/trump-will-torch-the-supreme-court-not-r

    Kishnevi (870883)

  470. nk (dbc370) — 10/16/2016 @ 7:03 am

    1. The Access Hollywood tape (big corroboration);

    It’s no corroboration at all, because on the tape…

    …he said the women let him do it!

    NOT they they resisted and ran away from him.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  471. the pig will make the streets of failmerica run red with the blood of dismembered wiggle giggles to the enduring glory of nevertrump

    this message brought to you by yummy oreo churros

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  472. Trump should open every speech with this video.

    mg (31009b)

  473. the thread is too fat. Straining the elastic band on my house pants.

    Tilt.

    “Danger. Will Robinson! Danger!” – Robot. Lost In Space.(tv series 1961)

    papertiger (c8116c)

  474. @Kishnevi: I’ve been reading Shikhi Dahlmia for a long time. What she’s doing in this article is reversing cause and effect, like the GOP was innocently minding its own business when Trump came along and took over with his Jedi mind tricks. And on this false premise, she claims that Trump is going to transform the GOP into something it wasn’t, and nominate justices to that end.

    But it’s backward: Trump is riding the wave, he is not the wave itself. The base of the GOP has not wanted to go in the direction that the GOP has been going for quite a long time now and has been making its displeasure known since 2004.

    If Trump actually were this sort of competent evil genius who could make a party forget what it is, the last few months would have been going very differently.

    Gabriel Hanna (94871e)

  475. The nbc poll has 14% more democrats, nothing to see here.

    narciso (d1f714)

  476. nevertrump got them an ooey gooey nbc poll and some fresh hot groping fantasies

    best sunday ever?

    maybe so, maybe so

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  477. Shahkia burns many strawmen, does she have extinguishers handy.

    On the hinge questions, the court did yoeld, thanks to Roberts and Kennedy.

    narciso (d1f714)

  478. It is striking how Carlos slims pretends red queen has nothing to do with this.

    narciso (d1f714)

  479. the pig will make the streets of failmerica run red with the blood of dismembered wiggle giggles to the enduring glory of nevertrump

    You know, happyfeet, if you actually voted for Trump, he’d have a better chance at winning. But by not voting, you are effectively placing yourself in the NeverTrump camp,

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  480. that’s a complete misnomer

    my whole life i spended trying to keep you people from doing that pig all up in it

    and the success of my lonely quest is almost in sight!

    it’s a brighter day what will dawn

    pristine and pigless

    and it is then i will rest

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  481. Sammeh why do you make up stuff when Qatar’s million dollar contribution broughtbsilence to what they were doing in Libya and Egypt.

    narciso (d1f714)

  482. On the hinge questions, the court did yoeld, thanks to Roberts and Kennedy.

    And therein lies the rub, narciso. The Court is there to determine the Constitutionality of a law, not to bend the Constitution to allow one. Wait till Killary has as fawning SC, then you’ll see some real fundamental transformation.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  483. Trrump says he (we meaning him nd his people0 don’t know what’s going on with Hillary. he thinks she’s taking some drugs to pump her up. He says we’re like athletes. says he’s willing – says that they should take a drug test.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndN3uMooHdI

    this might be the wholle speech

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYA85C2ZT6s

    Says all his old things. One place he’s confused. Says we have the highest murder rate in 45 years. Increase. Talks about wikileaks and gets some detsils wrong.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  484. narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2016 @ 12:01 pm

    Sammeh why do you make up stuff when Qatar’s million dollar contribution brought silence to what they were doing in Libya and Egypt.

    What I had there got formatted wrong. I didn’t make up stuff. That was a half joke by nk, to which I responded to with something that actually did happen with the Clinton foundation.

    It should have gone like this:

    SF: The Leeds story is most likely false. Miss Utah is the most likely of all the stories to be true. Trump’s likely getting unhinged because some of these stories are false

    I know, the Sultan of Salamionryestan contributed a million dinars to the Clinton Foundation so Hillary can repeal the Second Amendment with a telephone call and the stroke of an eyebrow pencil while Huma makes it a capital offense for people to make movies about her.

    There is now revealed almost open and shut criminality regarding aid to Haiti after the earthquake in 2010.

    I did hear now that Qatar gave Bill Clinton money for 5 minutes. Obviously really not for the 5 minutes. That was the way for him to “earn’ it.

    I didn’t say anything because I didn’t know anything what happened there. What’s the timeline?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  485. piggy’s all kinda amped-up at these debates

    then she crashes for days and days

    poor piggy

    but when getting your pig ass to the white house is the only sure-fire way you keep it out of jail

    you is one motivated piggy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  486. that’s a complete misnomer

    my whole life i spended trying to keep you people from doing that pig all up in it

    No, it’s completely apt. You’re not voting for Trump, neither are the NeverTrumpers. And a huge number of NeverTrumpers aren’t voting for Hillary, either.

    There is no practical difference between you and a NeverTrumper.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  487. Trump: Mexico will pay for the wall – in some form. There are about 12 ways to do it. They’ll pick the ones that looks the best.

    He will stop the drugs from pouring in, and also cure the drug addicts. He was surprised by the people saying drugs was their worst problem in New Hampshire.

    now says he was always very political but he had no experience.

    Notes 49.7% in Mass with 11 people. He says they say he’s up 1 point in NH His people tell him their up by a lot more.

    Trump doesn’t know how that heroin problem developed. It was oxycodeine. Prescription drugs. Once someone is addicted keeping them away from heroin makes the problem worse. There really is no “treatment” and if there is, not enough places. This is at 22 minutes or so.

    The ICE union endorsed the wall – he wants to end sanctuary cities where they don’t turn p\over drug dealers. Obama pardoned drug dealers.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  488. happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/16/2016 @ 12:28 pm

    515.piggy’s all kinda amped-up at these debates

    then she crashes for days and days

    They have noticed she has a limited schedule.

    If anything like this is so, she can only work a limited numbers of hours a week.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  489. It would help if the media didn’t have hours of audio of Trump talking about grabbing p***y. We could have had a nominee who wasn’t recorded saying such things. Admittedly the LHMFM would have lied about him anyway, because every GOP nominee has to be painted as worse than Hitler, but we could have had a candidate who didn’t do the heavy lifting for them.

    In case there’s a next time, which I doubt, food for thought.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  490. Trump is talking about FDa far too slow to approve abuse lowering drugs.

    It may even be that half the things he says are right, but he doesn’t know what is true and what is wrong and what is very incomplete.

    A lot about opiods around 30 minutes.

    Will lift the cap on numbers of patients doctors can treat.

    Pro narcan.

    At 34:30 back to jobs. How does he think an economy works? theyre are only a limited nummber of jobs in the world, or what?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  491. He’s complaining Obama doesn’t want to raise interest rates!

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  492. …Admittedly the LHMFM would have lied about him anyway…

    Or her. Equal time. If the GOP had nominated Carly Fiorina we’d be hearing about her bragging about grabbing the genitalia of men, women, and the polygendered.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  493. @466 narciso

    I just started to notice how much Howard Stern sounds like sensitive new age man Alan Alda.

    Pinandpuller (27bca5)

  494. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/16/2016 @ 12:52 pm

    If the GOP had nominated Carly Fiorina we’d be hearing about her bragging about grabbing the genitalia of men, women, and the polygendered.

    Well, Nicholas Kristof had something in the New York Times today about what if this were said about HHillary, but in reality, with a woman they’d come up with different charges.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  495. Donald Trump lied with Howard Stern about contrbuting $10,000 to 9/11 fund. No one found such a contribution in 2001 or first half of 2002. Stern and Quivers confirmed it on air.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)

  496. meanwhile the gop headquarters was firebombed in orange county, again nothing to see here,

    narciso (d1f714)

  497. meanwhile the gop headquarters was firebombed in orange county, again nothing to see here,

    narciso (d1f714) — 10/16/2016 @ 3:23 pm

    I guess conservatives did it. Trump’s a leftist.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  498. Orange County? Even odds it’s people who think Trump betrayed them by reaching out to black voters.

    nk (dbc370)

  499. Orange County? Even odds it’s people who think Trump betrayed them by reaching out to black voters.

    nk (dbc370) — 10/16/2016 @ 7:27 pm

    That would be a nutso theory even if it was Orange County CA. But in this case it’s Orange County, NC.

    Per Powerline:

    The firebombing probably was not committed by marginal, uneducated people. Orange County is the wealthiest county in North Carolina. It is heavily Democratic, with Democrats and independents outnumbering Republicans 5-1. The county is home to the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, and Duke University is just outside the county’s boundary. So left-wing students or professors could have been involved.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  500. What kind of “firebomb” was it? Molotov cocktail, white phosphorous grenade, thermite satchel charge, or a bong that caught fire?

    nk (dbc370)

  501. who’s not to say Team Trump is at hoax stage of desperation?

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  502. 519. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 10/16/2016 @ 12:47 pm

    It would help if the media didn’t have hours of audio of Trump talking about grabbing p***y.

    There’s not hours of that. There’s only one tape.

    There are some tapes, from the Apprentice, which there is an organized campaign to have Mark Burnett release.

    Only, he doesdn’t own it anymore, and both he and Walt Disney are precluded by contract from releasing any tapes, and people prohibited from talking about it, but rumor has it he called some fat women pigs.

    Mark Burnett had to state he does not support Trump!!

    Errol Lewis in the New York Daily News reminds of what Arnold Schwarzenegger said in 2003:

    Yes it is true that I was on rowdy movie sets,” he said, “and I have done things that were not right, which I thought then was playful but now I recognize that I have offended people. And to those people that I have offended I want to say to them, I am deeply sorry about that and I apologize because this is not what I’m trying to do.” …

    … “A lot of those that you see in the stories is not true, but at the same time I have to tell you that I always say that wherever there is smoke there is fire,” he said. “That is true.”

    I don’t go along with the idea that where there is smoke there is fire – sometimes it can all be slander – but what is interesting here is Arnold Schwarzenegger said some false stories had been added to the true ones. I think I actually remember feeling that way.

    Sammy Finkelman (22cc00)


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