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10/13/2016

Rasmussen: Trump Back on Top!

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:30 am



It’s a Trumpy poll — but if you’re Donald Trump today, you take your good news wherever you can find it:

The full results from Sunday night’s debate are in, and Donald Trump has come from behind to take the lead over Hillary Clinton.

The latest Rasmussen Reports White House Watch national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support among Likely U.S. Voters to Clinton’s 41%. Yesterday, Clinton still held a four-point 43% to 39% lead over Trump, but that was down from five points on Tuesday and her biggest lead ever of seven points on Monday.

That’s the good news for Trump. What’s the bad news?

Um. How long do you have?

First, it’s Rasmussen — a poll with a C+ grade from FiveThirtyEight, wnich says it has a consistent 2% bias in favor of Trump.

Meanwhile, yesterday the polling news was all bad for Trump — with shockingly bad news from Utah, coupled with bad news in Wisconsin and Ohio.

Today, we have the Trump campaign pulling out of Virginia and getting killed in Pennsylvania.

Oh, and in non-polling news? Well, when your Big Message of the Day is “We’re threatening to sue the New York Times for libel!!!” . . . things are not going well.

So, his campaign is pretty much in free fall.

But if you’re a Trumper looking for good news, just keep repeating: “He’s up in Rasmussen. He’s up in Rasmussen. He’s up in Rasmussen.”

Then click your heels together three times, and maybe a house will drop on Trump’s head.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

136 Responses to “Rasmussen: Trump Back on Top!”

  1. This news has me singing “Stinky” Wizzleteat’s smash hit, “The Happy Happy Joy Joy Song“!!

    Bill H (971e5f)

  2. and most of these borscht polls, have been cooked the other way,

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/10/hillary-to-restrict-second-amendment-with-executive-orders.php

    narciso (d1f714)

  3. the passion Mr. Trump inspires in the patriots what support him far exceeds the passion what the pig can muster

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  4. He’s mumbling about skipping the third debate.

    His only hope might be swearing on a bible to serve 1 whole day and turn it over to Pence at noon ET on January 21.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  5. If he does, and you believe him, I will lose all respect for you.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. dubious, it’s like you’ve forgotten everything we’ve seen in the last 12 years,

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. he speaks on many things, in different forum, whereas red queen is still pursuing her prince albert in a can campaign, she thanks you for the inkind contribution,

    narciso (d1f714)

  8. Narciso,

    This is very handy proof of poll cooking. Caveat lector but if it’s a spoof, it’s very well done.

    I had no idea the purpose of polling was to

    create a moralboosting narrative in the liberal demographics

    . It certainly explains some odd results.

    Clinton is certainly repulsive enough to lose.

    Rick Ballard (b9de6e)

  9. national telephone and online survey shows Trump with 43% support

    Yeah, whenever you open things up to crazed Paulbots to skew something, Trump seems to do quite well. Proof the other polls are rigged!

    I guess they have to make this a horserace any way they can.

    Clinton is certainly repulsive enough to lose.

    Rick Ballard

    If the election were just “Do you like Hillary, yes or no” I would agree with you.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  10. I have a draft of Trump’s inaugural speech.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. Dustin,

    I mistakenly typed “to anyone but Trump” in invisible pixels.

    Rick Ballard (b9de6e)

  12. I mistakenly typed “to anyone but Trump” in invisible pixels.

    Rick Ballard

    She’s the worst candidate the democrats have ever put forth. She’s not even campaigning, really, which is a smart move. Hillary staying out of it as much as she can is the best decision she could make.

    People say she would be an absentee president as though that makes people less likely to vote for her.

    Had the GOP nominated someone with any ability to convince others, any sort of appeal at all, this would be a completely different landslide.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  13. it doesn’t matter which cigar store indian, they put up, their bureaucracy is single minded like the ‘crucify them’ epa deputy, who went back to the soros cauldron, or van jones,

    narciso (d1f714)

  14. I heard a few minutes of Rush Limbaugh earlier and he was talking about how polling has become the method by which the media outlets shape the stories they want to tell. He believes that the polls are skewed towards HRC and that in the last 5-10 days before the election the polls will move fairly dramatically as they de-skew them to actually be accurate by election day. He says that’s the only time they are at all accountable for accuracy and they wouldn’t want to be off by much from the actual voting results.

    (shrug) YMMV

    Skeptical Enlightenment (01a2f5)

  15. “that in the last 5-10 days before the election the polls will move fairly dramatically as they de-skew them to actually be accurate by election day.”

    RCP provides an easy means to fact check the Trump sucker. Rush needs to stick with peddling baubles to the gullible. It’s all he has left.

    Rick Ballard (b9de6e)

  16. Bad things happen when the GOP nominee believes the polls are skewed.

    DRJ (15874d)

  17. it still does show category error, but clearly less than the reed you rely on,

    http://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_UT_101316/

    narciso (d1f714)

  18. As election eve approached in 2004, Fox News polling had Kerry in the lead, and CBS polling had Bush in the lead, so there is also the precedent of news outlets scaring their target demographics into voting for that outlet’s preferred candidate.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  19. If the GOP nominee is fighting for Utah, skewed polls is the least of his worries.

    DRJ (15874d)

  20. if i had to pick among all of em I’d pick Mr. Trump for sure

    and I’m not bias I just think he’s the best one (definitely not the pig)

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  21. 17. Anne Romney, very under-rated and age-appropriate to boot.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  22. #BetaMales4Hillary!

    Colonel Haiku (f00165)

  23. the passion Mr. Trump inspires in the patriots what support him far exceeds the passion what the pig can muster

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 10/13/2016 @ 10:03 am

    I know! All of these Patriots who are coming out to fight Trump and his liberalism is awesome. Of course since he’s a friend of Clinton, invited them to his wedding, and donated to them its not surprising they would fight.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50)

  24. oh for the love of pete you’re twisting it it all up

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  25. it

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  26. But if you’re a Trumper looking for good news, just keep repeating: “He’s up in Rasmussen. He’s up in Rasmussen. He’s up in Rasmussen.” Then click your heels together three times, and maybe a house will drop on Trump’s head.

    Has the Lollypop Guild endorsed?

    “Helping the little lady along are you, my fine gentlemen?” – Wicked Witch of the West [Margaret Hamilton] ‘Wizard of Oz’, 1939

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  27. “Had the GOP nominated someone with any ability to convince others….”

    -where were they going to find that “someone?”

    They tried the Prince, the Zealot, the Woman, the Doctor, the Union Slayer, Kasich, and whatever else they could find in their closet after 8 years (EIGHT YEARS!) to prepare.

    Only Union Slayer and Prince had a track record of convincing anyone. But the Prince had long since sold out to K street for a settled life away from annoying voters, and the Union Slayer flamed out.

    I suppose the GOP could have taken a poll of actual GOP voters, of course, to try to represent their voters, instead of donors, but such an idea was not acceptable in GOP Wonderland.

    Even now, the never trumpers, seem to enjoy carping in political oblivion more than actual office. They could actually assist the nominee. But they’re having far too much fun pointing and saying “I told you so,” forgetting that none of their favorites could fill a room.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  28. Today, we have the Trump campaign pulling out of Virginia

    Expected MSNBC/CNN banner: Virginia Raped; Abandoned By Trump.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. The hostess of the event added that Hillary “wants to shut it down,” “it” being private ownership of handguns, and “get guns away from everyone in this country.” She also mentioned imposing a limit on the number of bullets a citizen can purchase as a possible avenue of circumventing the Second Amendment…

    The video’s release should hurt Feingold in Wisconsin, a strong gun rights state. By rights, it should hurt Hillary Clinton, too, if the news leaks out. But that would require the press to cover something other than what Donald Trump said or did ten or twenty years ago.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  30. Mainly I’m hoping Hillary pays another visit to the cold tile of her bathroom floor.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  31. that’s a beautiful dream

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  32. urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 10/13/2016 @ 10:11 am

    His only hope might be swearing on a bible to serve 1 whole day and turn it over to Pence at noon ET on January 21. </blockquote. Nobody would elieve him – or maybe only his strong supporters would believe him.

    Better would be to say he was releasing his Electors and recommending, say, they vote for Pence. There perception miht become reality. It would make campaign law a real mess, but taht's the fauklt of the people who tried to regulate elections.

    Sammy Finkelman (e3cf91)

  33. The NYT response to the lawsuit threat was basically “bring it!” underscored with “we can’t possibly damage Trump’s reputation”.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  34. There have been a lot of recent polls, not all of them in the United States, in which the predicted results didn’t match the actual outcomes. A lot of them occurred in 2014, and, of course, the Brexit vote was missed badly. I’m pretty sure that Donald Trump is going to get squashed pretty badly in November, but I wouldn’t bet our host’s mortgage on it.

    The Dana who remembers (f6a568)

  35. #BetaMales4Hillary!

    Colonel Haiku

    Yep, those men who don’t like the way Trump treats women are just pansies. Real men really want to vote for the guy! Because it’s manly. One’s manhood is closely linked to how we vote, rather than our respect for our wives, our humility, our work ethic. Trump is a great example of a real man! Conservatives who actually think are just sissies!

    This message was brought to you by Carl’s Jr. F@@^ you, I’m eating!

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  36. I think Vladimir Putin will do his best to make it look like World war III could break out if Hillary is elected.

    http://conservativetribune.com/russian-state-newspaper-warns/

    A Russian state newspaper has voiced concerns over the United States involvement in Syria, issuing a chilling warning that a Third World War could be imminent.

    Moskovsky Komsomolets, the publication, predicted that there was going to be a “direct military confrontation” that could be on par with the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    On Monday, the United States suspended contact with Russia over Syria, and Secretary of State John Kerry has reportedly been enraged by Russian-backed airstrikes on rebel-controlled areas of Aleppo, in which hundreds are believed to have been killed.

    I think that’s from last week.

    Putin would be borrowing a page from Khruschev, who thought he’d elected Kennedy. He shot down the U-2 plane and cancelled the summit to make relations look worse.

    Sammy Finkelman (e3cf91)

  37. The Dana who remembers (f6a568) — 10/13/2016 @ 12:15 pm

    There have been a lot of recent polls, not all of them in the United States, in which the predicted results didn’t match the actual outcomes.

    We’re now at the stage where considerably less than 10% of the people they attempt to survey answer the survey, so they have to do quite a bit of weighting of the sample, and it’s an art, and not a science.

    Sammy Finkelman (e3cf91)

  38. Fox News has Hillary up by 8 points. But you know they’re in the tank for Hillary.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  39. I see the Committee To Elect Hillary (P. Frey, Chairman) is in full effect.

    Congratulations! You’re all fine, fine Americans.

    Deuce Frehley (8afd8b)

  40. Attack of the Beta males!

    https://pajamasmed.hs.llnwd.net/e1/election/user-content/49/files/2016/10/pajama-boy.sized-770x415xc.jpg

    Eff you, Dustin, you disrespected your wife’s wishes as soon as she turned her back. She only wants you to watch your diet and stick around longer (ed. Note: why, I don’t know) and you’re admittedly pigging out. Swine!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. Been contacted by polling organizations four times in three decades.

    Lied every time. If they want truth, pay me.

    ‘Love For Sale’ – Cole Porter, 1930

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. me too, SarahW.

    mg (31009b)

  43. seeing as taylor I mean megyn is slagging juanita broderick

    https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/786663365204701184/photo/1

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. One thing I’ve noticed is how classy the Trumpers are to the people who disagree with them.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  45. 45.One thing I’ve noticed is how classy the Trumpers are to the people who disagree with them.

    Have you ever tried talking to a leftist, Chuck? At the first sign of any disagreement the name calling starts, usually with “racccist”. Trumpers are rookies next to leftists.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  46. Have you ever tried talking to a leftist, Chuck?

    Actually, I have. And the fact that some of them are rude doesn’t give you license to be rude, too.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  47. Fill-er-up, comrade.

    mg (31009b)

  48. Then click your heels together three times, and maybe a house will drop on Trump’s head.

    Isn’t the house supposed to drop on the Wicked Witch of the East? Trump is a combination of the Scarecrow and Cowardly Lion, with maybe a bit of Toto.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  49. Brainfart by way of Wikileaks by way of Federal’naya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti Rossiyskoy Federatsii.

    Out of curiosity … is this the same Wikileaks which leaked the Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden military and intelligence information, or is it the Wikileaks whose leader is hiding in the Uruguayan embassy to avoid prosecution in Sweden on two counts of rape?

    nk (dbc370)

  50. Ecuadorian, as opposed to the new york times, whose president mark thompson covered up the jimmy saville case while at the bbc, one columnist, nick kristof, slandered steven hatfill, another columnist steven rattner, paid a 10 million dollar fine, to avoid the torches re his entanglements with quadrangle insurance,

    narciso (d1f714)

  51. #BetaMales4Hillary… says the side that’s about to thoroughly trounced by the most compromised Democratic candidate since George McGovern.

    By that (dumb*ss) logic, what’s more “beta” than losing to a total loser?

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  52. I mean, don’t “alphas” actually *win* in the whole “alpha/beta” thing?

    Or does Haiku just know a real alpha sugar-daddy when he sees one?

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  53. i love Mr. Trump and all this talk about him losing is crazypickles!

    he’s the best choice duh (unless you wanna do a diseased fascist criminal stenchpig all up in it which c’mon NOBODY hates america that much except for ugly girls and NFL players)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  54. things that make you go hm,

    https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/786704483837435905

    just one more question, sir?

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. murdoch is all up in it with that heat street pig-sniffer plus also noted pig-slurping hemophiliac megyn kelly

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  56. hermione, has gotten a little silly, it’s back to schrodinger’s cat,

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. I’d say that a lot of these pollsters a comperable to the Picadors in a bullfight.

    Pinandpuller (e66d72)

  58. From Morning Jolt, Tuesday, October 11, 2016:

    In 1980, 4.3 percent of Americans reported voting absentee, which means in advance of Election Day. In 2012, 35 percent of Americans voted early. As of October 10, this year, 461,583 people have already voted, which is about one half of one percent.

    This site keeps track of it:

    http://www.electproject.org/early_2016

    This is the spreadsheet:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fz_V3oAUL8XJMEudq5wm5hDT_f554uagt6sIm_sJDro/edit

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  59. fox news should be the Saudi polling network.

    mg (31009b)

  60. James Comey lol

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  61. there’s an irony that his relative’s intelligence center, is dubbed the ‘fingernail factory’ ask me why that is,

    http://inhomelandsecurity.com/un-human-rights-chief-trump-dangerous/?utm_source=IHS

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. do the sleazy corrupt fbi wankertrash really expect us to fund pensions for their sleazy asses?

    that seems kind of impertinent

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  63. btw i love how Mr. Trump is back on top – it’s a very good happenstance for America to happen upon like when you take a nap on Saturday and wake up to the smell of chockit chip cookies right out the oven

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. if you’re Donald Trump today, you take your good news wherever you can find it

    Start with my mailbox, JR.

    Absentee ballot arrived with breakfast, completed and back in the post by dinner:

    [X] Donald J. Trump, Michael R. Pence REP. Down ballot, straight Democrat. First GOP vote for president since the ’80s.

    Now, kiss the wife and kids, JR, [no tongues] and go make America great again.

    “You know, those rumors about you and lady friends… they won’t do you a bit of harm.” – President Art Hockstader [Lee Tracy] ‘The Best Man’ 1964

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  65. here’s adam duritz doing ghost in you by the furrs

    a lot of you don’t deserve it but go ahead and click i’m feeling magnaninous

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  66. *magmaminous*

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  67. I heard the Marist poll has The Donald up by two also.

    All these false accusations and decades old alleged fanny pats. What’s the statute of limitations on a fanny pat?

    Is it similar to the statute of limitations on getting a facial playing dodge ball?

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  68. These people aren’t accusing him of being a criminal – just a piece of sh*t.

    But you knew that, squirrel-spotter.

    Leviticus (03bf59)

  69. WHere is Hillary while all this is going on? IN California. Refilling the ill gotten gains tank.

    Possibly for the first time in her life Hillary is finding out how expensive floozies really are, now that she has three or four that have become her entire campaign.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  70. Just jump in yer jammies and drink yer hot cocoa, Leviticus.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  71. Levi’s blanket has sleeves.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  72. Speaking of refilling, Trump just refilled in Texas. Self-funding is a distant memory.

    DRJ (15874d)

  73. that’s how awesome he is

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. being he was in cincinatti and west palm today, that’s seem improbable,

    narciso (d1f714)

  75. We’re talking money, grift, pay me or else. Not jet fuel,

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  76. Eff you, Dustin, you disrespected your wife’s wishes as soon as she turned her back. She only wants you to watch your diet and stick around longer (ed. Note: why, I don’t know) and you’re admittedly pigging out. Swine!

    Colonel Haiku

    I appreciate your sincere concern for my wife and my lack of respect for her that you believe you have detected, but I actually really care about my wife and show her respect all the time. I am honestly happy I get a break from the meals she normally prepares and am enjoying foods that are less healthy. I don’t think this is nearly as serious a problem as you make it out to be. It’s noted that you do not understand why my wife doesn’t hope I am dead.

    Please go back to impressing us with your talk about beta males while you make passive aggressive comments about people’s families like you’re a 12 year old girl.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  77. Put the cheeseburger and onion rings down, tubby.

    Colonel Haiku (f4c5a5)

  78. The disintegration of Haiku’s dignity continues apace. Like his chosen sugar daddy’s. Fitting.

    Leviticus (563184)

  79. Leviticus, Trump’s dignity never did exist, whereas Haiku appeared to have dignity for years on this board and no longer does.

    I think it’s worse to once have had dignity and no longer have it than to never have had dignity in the first place.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  80. what do you call it narrative, when cretinous lies are accepted as truth, in all things great and small, yes lets follow the same foolish path, that got fuhrman in the stocks and oj off,

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. that case taught me to look askance at defense attys, whereas other showed me prosecutors are not always in the right, we’re knee deep in the crazy years,

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. narciso 79,

    Trump was in Texas on Tuesday, osensibly for fundraising but maybe he should campaign here, too, since his lead is now in the margin of error. Rmoney won Texas by 16.

    DRJ (15874d)

  83. Levon Levi

    Levi wears his butthurt like a crown
    He calls his child Rhesus ’cause he likes to fling
    And he makes him clean his room most ev’ry day
    Levi, Levi works for money
    Don’t make too much they say
    Spends his days chasing
    Ambulances on teh motorway

    He was born a simple
    little boy on a Halloween
    with a head so big his mama screamed
    And his daddy fled
    Freddy Krueger has a son some say
    And he shall be Levi
    And he could be a good man
    And he shall be Levi
    Making payments on the family plan
    And he shall be Levi
    And he could be a good man
    He shall be Levi

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  84. Thanks for sharing, Hitchcock. I think you are helping to facilitate 8 more years of disaster that the country may not recover from.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. John’s right. Leviticus is right. But Haiku is also right: I did eat onion rings today.

    Note that if you defend Trump in a frothing mess of nastiness, you still are not associated with any of Trump’s history because ‘Binary Choice,’ AKA rationalizing a lack of personal responsibility. However, if you do not support Trump you must be a fan of the worst things anyone has even imagined Hillary doing. This is called “being dishonest.” Haiku knows all about being dishonest, as some long time commenters here might recall.

    I’m a nice guy because that’s how well-adjusted people act, not because I am a ‘beta male’ or ‘pussywhipped’ as Big Macho Trump Man Haiku has called me today. Haiku should remember what actually makes a man: Integrity. I suppose that hurts and that’s why he’s obsessed with me in particular. I like Leviticus’s point. The low road took his dignity. Those who worry about being betas or whipped remind me of the people who are jerks to waiters. They never seem to be having a good time.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  86. I supported Ted Cruz with money, my time and my vote. I will reluctantly vote for Trump next month.

    I note that the people who rail on and on against Trump spend an awful lot of time preaching about how immoral and against their principles it would be to cast a vote for Trump for POTUS.

    Okay… I get that.

    But I also note, in fact, I am frankly disgusted how little time most of them seem to spend on even considering that it is at least as immoral (and arguably MUCH more immoral, unprincipled and unethical) to reward Hillary Clinton by facilitating her Heavenly Ascension to the highest office in the land.

    In short, seeking your approbation is about the last thing on my mind, Dusty. You are being played, rode hard and put away wet and stupid and it will happen time and time again in the future.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  87. Amen, Colonel.

    mg (31009b)

  88. Mr M wrote:

    Isn’t the house supposed to drop on the Wicked Witch of the East? Trump is a combination of the Scarecrow and Cowardly Lion, with maybe a bit of Toto.

    Well, that’s just it: the Trumpelstiltskins see him as a real lion, not the cowardly one; that, I believe, is almost his entire appeal.

    I will give Mr Trump credit for being a fighter, which is what GOP primary voters wanted. The problem is that he doesn’t know whom to fight, always picks the wrong fights, with the wrong people, over the wrong things.

    The Dana who doesn't live in Oz (f6a568)

  89. Dustin, I used to wait tables in a 5 star French Restaurant, these waiters are talking to you.
    http://ifyoucantaffordtotip.com/restaurant-get-fck-outta-video/

    mg (31009b)

  90. Haiku

    I note that the people who rail on and on against Trump spend an awful lot of time preaching about how immoral and against their principles it would be to cast a vote for Trump for POTUS.

    Well, it’s funny how you’ve complained about the immorality of sexual scandals of democrats hundreds of times. What changed? Oh now it’s a republican (and the scandal very bad). Now that means morality is stupid and this is just preaching about nothing important.

    You are being played, rode hard and put away wet and stupid

    I think Hillary will be a terrible president, so I’m not exactly being played. The GOP nominated a far worse candidate than the democrats did. I make the hard choice. It doesn’t make me stupid, and it’s sad that this is the only way you can see different opinions.

    As terrible as Hillary will be, and as many times as I’ve mentioned why Hillary stinks, Trump is far less mentally stable, and far more cruel, and he seeks to stamp out the conservative movement in the GOP, as he’s explained. He’s a dear friend of Hillary, but he’s going to campaign against Cruz. The ones being played are the conservatives, particularly Cruz fans, who actually give Trump their support. That empowers the most direct threat to their movement. I understand this con because Hillary is such a bad candidate herself, but so many of his voters are just used to voting Republican. When Trump has flip flopped his partisanship and is totally dishonest, it’s a mistake to consider that he claims the (R).

    Just see this as two democrats. Hillary vs Hillary’s donor and fan. Hillary and her email scandal and mistakes in judgment from health care to Benghazi vs Trump who praised her every step of the way and adds on serial fraud, sexual predator, zealous opponent of liberty and free speech, and cruel fan of tyrants who wishes to campaign against conservative republicans and says Bush was the worst president in American history while Hillary would make a great president.

    On balance, once you take away that (R) and that (D), you have a status quo corrupt president vs a bona fide tyrant who strategically ruins the conservative movement.

    You disagree of course, because of that (R), but you’re being dishonest (as freaking usual) to claim I’m just a sucker, blind to what Hillary will be in office. And all your anger with me serves only to embarrass yourself. It’s not going to be a close election and getting this bent out of shape over it is pointless.

    America is better than what the GOP has put forward and is going to make a decisive repudiation.

    And once again, let me patiently note what a hypocrite you are to be saying you’re no Trumpkin because you didn’t support him in the primary. The millions of Republicans who won’t vote for the party’s candidates didn’t support Hillary in the primary either.

    Dustin, I used to wait tables in a 5 star French Restaurant, these waiters are talking to you.
    mg

    Right. Thanks.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  91. America is better than what the GOP has put forward

    whaaa?

    america’s a silly cowardly slovenly and highly corrupt brokedick pooper

    i have links

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  92. I guess that explains why you don’t vote. Why should you care what happens to America if that’s what you think about it?

    DRJ (15874d)

  93. How is it dishonest to say another person is a blind sucker. Seems to me to be a case of true or untrue.
    If I say I think you are a blind sucker about Hillary, it is delivered as a forward looking statement.
    Time will tell. I’m not lying or being dishonest just speaking my opinion.
    I saw the list of all the frailties of your favored candidate and in spite of that, I think you are willfully blind to her future because I believe her to be more destructive and tyrannical than Trump and I think her body of work and her spoken promises to stifle speech she does not like, to destroyed the 2nd Amendment via executive order, to open our borders, to stack the Supreme court with Ginsbergs and Sotomayors.

    With Trump, you can’t honestly say you know what he will do… because I believe even he has no idea. I think no idea is better than bad idea. Hillary is full of bad ideas, some of which will bite the blind in the ass.

    At this point it looks like Trump is gonna lose. Too bad. Would have been an entertaining 4 years.
    Instead we’ll get an old communist shrew.

    Actually Dustin you are not a blind sucker… I do predict though that your girl is give you some wide horrified eye opening moments, but today I feel like being respectful towards you. Good luck

    steveg (5508fb)

  94. “will give you”

    steveg (5508fb)

  95. C’mon, DRJ. You know Mr. Feet is just a troll. I read the earlier posts he made, linked by Patterico, that show that he was capable of erudite and thoughtful posts.

    Like Trump, he chooses to be the way he appears.

    He also likes to piddle in other people’s living rooms with his posts (again, compared to the one’s Patterico linked).

    I think this kind of thing is a problem in our culture, but many people don’t mind. Bully for them.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  96. It could be worse. Miami has Zika.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. How is it dishonest to say another person is a blind sucker. Seems to me to be a case of true or untrue.

    Steve,

    My point is that I’ve said many times why Hillary will be a terrible president, and complaining that I’m blind to that very issue is not honest if one has actually been arguing with me about this for months as Haiku has. He has a history of showing low integrity in our arguments when he gets really worked up and I need to point this out to him to bring him back in line with reality.

    With Trump, you can’t honestly say you know what he will do… because I believe even he has no idea.

    This isn’t my point of view, but I respect this opinion. I think Trump is like any con man. Ignore what they say to you, and watch how they act. Trump’s fury is always reserved for the right. The family of Cruz, demanding criminal charges for Dubya, promising to campaign against Republicans in the future. Vs inviting the Clintons to his intimate family affairs, asking for more and more government programs, being a fan of socialized health care, calling for die hard leftists on the court.

    If you attempt to reconcile Trump’s actions with his recent words, he comes across as totally confused, and this is probably why you say he has no idea what he will do. I just ignore his words and see a true statist of the left.

    You may be thinking “but Hillary is that too” and you would be right. But my central point is that the left was always going to have their candidate. The right never will as long as the GOP is the way it is. Checkers players see the democrat as the problem. Chess players realize it’s the GOP that is really in the way.

    I do predict though that your girl is give you some wide horrified eye opening moments, but today I feel like being respectful towards you.

    First of all, I appreciate the respect and I think these conversations are a lot more interesting if we talk about our disagreements instead of trolling eachother.

    By Haiku’s standards Hillary is ‘my girl’ even though Trump isn’t y’alls boy. And that’s ridiculous, but whether Hillary is my girl or not, I expect her to be a status quo candidate, pretty corrupt, who tries a few weak legacy moves like Obama and manages foreign policy for the short term press rather than any vision. It’s a bitter reality when the nation desperately needs reform, but we will manage.

    On the other hand, Trump wasn’t going to be better and even if he was, he really did such an awful job as candidate (for example by vetoing any op research on himself because he’s a coward). It’s just idle speculation and neither of us think we’ll ever see what Trump would look like in office. But he’s a cruel man who admires communist tyrants. Hillary is no communist by what we traditionally consider one. She’s a bought and paid for hack of K Street and Wall Street and she’s going to disappoint her own party quite a bit. She would seek to expand the government to protect her pals like GE, which is kinda communist I suppose.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree about how bad Trump would be. I’m convinced he’s so bad that even Hillary is preferable. But we don’t actually disagree about Hillary. And I’ve said so many times, which was my point about how blind I supposedly am about her.

    I’ll grant you one thing: Trump would be entertaining while Hillary is totally unpleasant to listen to. But I honestly believe there would be a bodycount by the time he was done.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  98. And remember, the polls show that millions of Republicans have moved over to Hillary this year. I’m just the one honest enough to look you in the eye and talk about why. This isn’t intended to be ugly. But it’s a point of view that should be represented more openly and would be if it didn’t inspire so much flack.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  99. Trump only cares about Trump. He has hung around homosexuals and transvestites all his life, so forget that for a start. His position on abortion was “evolved” only for this election. His position on guns is that he and his kids are rich enough to buy gun permits in a city with the toughest gun laws in the country and the little people should be subject to stop and frisk. (And he said that in the first debate.) And Putin will not only grab his pu**y but he will also pull it, twist it and bop it.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. nk’s got it right. We’re just peasants to these New York lefties, and Trump has a lower opinion of his supporters than I do.

    Just imagine how low your opinion of the GOP must be to go from endorsing Hillary and saying Bush was the worst president in history who should face criminal charges, to running for the GOP nomination on an hysterical ‘deport the brown people’ theme.

    But here’s a thought exercise. If the election were Obama vs Hillary, who would you vote for? One of them is running as the Republican, and is zealously promising the GOP will be purged. that’s the one I would be more worried about.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  101. Happyfeet wants us to vote for Trump, but he will not vote
    Hoagie has been berating all of us who will not vote for Trump, blaming us for the failure of other Republicans, but he said yesterday he may not bother voting.

    Why should I accept advice from people who won’t practice what they preach?

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  102. Chuck, I think we can all agree that this is an awful election.

    What we should be focusing on is how to create better candidates.

    That’s true for both D and R people.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  103. And I truly believe that the media is a large fraction of our problem.

    I don’t have a solution. But that doesn’t mean I am wrong.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  104. His position on guns is that he and his kids are rich enough to buy gun permits in a city with the toughest gun laws in the country and the little people should be subject to stop and frisk.
    nk (dbc370) — 10/14/2016 @ 7:41 am

    What’s this about “rich enough to buy gun permits”? How much does a NYC gun permit cost?

    Stop and frisk is not a position on guns at all.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  105. We’re going down a downhill ski jump that was built facing the cliff-side instead of away from it. And the skids were greased in the 60s.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  106. What we should be focusing on is how to create better candidates.

    That’s true for both D and R people.

    Simon Jester

    the frustrating thing is that we had a few good candidates. Sure, imperfect, but pretty good!

    The problem is how our primaries work. The majority of us didn’t want this sort of candidate, and the crowded field gives the media and ‘chaos’ voters (crossing party lines to pick the worst candidate) an easy path to plurality.

    A nationwide runoff would help a lot. Imagine if on day one of the convention, the top two candidates debated eachother and then explained why they should win the runoff. Then on day two of the convention, every state has a runoff election. Then on day three, the winning candidate explains why he should be elected over the democratic candidate.

    I look back over the last three elections and think this would improve things.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  107. “With Trump, you can’t honestly say you know what he will do… because I believe even he has no idea.”

    His conduct towards others, whether creditors, employees or critics, has always been to abuse and seek revenge. He has used his wealth as a sledgehammer in the past and there is absolutely no reason to believe he would not abuse political power to the same extent.

    He is a craven pathetic coward who ‘fights’ in the same manner as a cornered rat, as we are witnessing today. Clinton may be worse but I’m not particularly interested in grading excrement.

    Rick Ballard (b9de6e)

  108. I was listening to Mike Gallagher this morning. He said NeverTrumpers are unhinged people whose objective is to punish the people who voted for Trump in the primaries. He’s had little to say about NeverTrumpers up to this point – at least during the times I’ve listened to him.

    I agree – with the exception of the RINO’s, like Michael Gerson. Actually many of them are unhinged in some way as well. But the point is they are dead set against getting illegal immigration under control. Many of them also have no use for the Second Amendment and have positions that are more like Democrats on a number of other things the courts are taking control of, so SCOTUS going left is not a concern to them.

    The point is the RINO NeverTrumps reject Trump because they think he IS conservative in many ways, which is correct. So in that way they that at least have some normal reasons for their position, as opposed to hating his supporters (but I’m sure they also agree with Hillary about the “deplorables”).

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  109. What’s this about “rich enough to buy gun permits”? How much does a NYC gun permit cost?

    Trump’s was $100,000 to the police athletic league plus who knows how many other donations to politicians. Only the rich and connected can get gun permits in New York City. This is educational, give it a glance: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/04/21/fox-business-john-stossel-tried-to-get-a-new-york-gun-permitit-turned-out-poorly-n2151874

    As for stop and frisk, it does not work without draconian gun laws. A Terry v. Ohio “frisk” is only for weapons while the police detain you and question you why you are where you are and doing what you’re doing. If it’s New York City, and they find a gun on you, there’s a crime right there even if you are a nurse going home at midnight after a day of surgeries at OR. Five years!

    nk (dbc370)

  110. Chuck, I think we can all agree that this is an awful election.

    What we should be focusing on is how to create better candidates.

    I agree, I just find it amusing that some of the most vocal Trump supporters aren’t going to vote.

    As far as producing better candidates, here are a few ideas:

    1. No cross-over primaries. You have to be registered for the party in order to vote for it, and I’d even put a time limit on that. Say, at least 6 months in advance (or have become eligible to vote in the past 6 months). If you don’t care enough to be a member of the party, you shouldn’t have any say in who they nominate.

    2. No clown-car fields. There were 17 Republican candidates to sort out. Funding and media time is finite, and spread among so many candidates, good messages get lost. Dustin alluded that above. I’m not sure how to enforce this, but it seemed people were running for their own ego gratification, rather than because they represented a significant wing of the party, or even had accomplished anything noteworthy.

    3. Stop the beauty-contest primaries. I’ve been exhausted by this election cycle for months, and I’m sure a great number of my fellow countrymen are, too. One way to do this would be to get back to the smoke-filled rooms. Sure, that process is completely opaque, and a lot of deals are made that would raise eyebrows, but at least that process produced a candidate who really represented the party.

    People should actually be up in arms about California’s primary system. Because it’s completely open and takes the top two finishers, there are two Democrats running for the seat soon to be vacated by Feinstein. California has effectively killed the Republican party within its borders, and few people realize it.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  111. Five years *and a felon for life, barred from owning a gun, having most government jobs, even voting in eleven states*.

    nk (dbc370)

  112. #114

    I should not have implied that I think all (non-RINO) NeverTrumps are unhinged, but a good many seem to be.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  113. Most lucid people recognize that the “status quo” is not the same as what was recognized as such just a few years ago.

    Not. Even. Close.

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  114. California is over, you want to make the rest of the country like that, by all means vote for red queen.

    narciso (012a5f)

  115. Chuck,

    Jay Cost has provided a reasonable template for A Republican Nomination Process. It addresses the elimination of the clown car primary as well as the perpetual campaign and the merit-less dominance of the early primary states in the process. It’s worth bookmarking for sending to your county GOP chairman after November 8th. Change is going to have to come from a groundswell rather than from the hogs at the top and the county chairs are a decent starting point.

    Rick Ballard (b9de6e)

  116. If the measure of sanity is to be exactly like Haiku, Ace, papertiger, then I pass. Never will I stoop to that level of depravity just to be declared sane.

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  117. So Gerald and Haiku think I’m unhinged and not lucid. Thanks for your honesty.

    DRJ (15874d)

  118. by all means vote for red queen.

    It’s cute that you think that anyone who won’t vote for Trump is going to vote for Hillary. It shows a definite lack of imagination.

    I’ll say it again: I am not voting for Hillary.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  119. So Gerald and Haiku think I’m unhinged and not lucid. Thanks for your honesty.

    DRJ (15874d) — 10/14/2016 @ 9:00 am

    Only if your voting decision is motivated by a desire to punish the people who gave Trump the nomination.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  120. Only if your voting decision is motivated by a desire to punish the people who gave Trump the nomination.

    Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/14/2016 @ 9:16 am

    Let me broaden it to: Only if your voting decision is motivated by a distaste for the people who gave Trump the nomination.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  121. Most lucid people recognize that the “status quo” is not the same as what was recognized as such just a few years ago.

    Not. Even. Close.

    So you don’t think that what’s now thought or accepted to be status quo has changed and not in a positive direction, DRJ?

    Colonel Haiku (09e484)

  122. Meg Whitman is a perfect example of the RINO NeverTrumps.

    Her being a NeverTrump makes perfect sense. She’s against conservatives. The “conservative” NeverTrumps who are making common cause with people like Whitman on the grounds that Trump’s a liberal are somewhere out in space.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  123. Most lucid people recognize that the “status quo” is not the same as what was recognized as such just a few years ago.

    Not. Even. Close.

    Colonel Haiku

    That was actually my point. Hillary represents another four years of this stuff we’ve been dealing with for eight years. You guys said the nation wouldn’t survive that and you were wrong. It’s still unacceptable, but it’s not the end of the world even though it sure seems like every election that’s the claim.

    Why else would anyone put up with the GOP except they are saving us from murdering demons who will end the world? Once you realize that’s a load of bull, it becomes pretty easy to hold the GOP to some standards. If we all do it, the GOP either goes away or improves itself. And that would be a beautiful thing. That’s the positive vision. If you have a better plan, let’s hear it. And voting for Trump is not a plan.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  124. I agree – with the exception of the RINO’s, like Michael Gerson. Actually many of them are unhinged in some way as well. But the point is they are dead set against getting illegal immigration under control. Many of them also have no use for the Second Amendment and have positions that are more like Democrats on a number of other things the courts are taking control of, so SCOTUS going left is not a concern to them.

    This is called “Bad Faith”. Putting words in people’s mouths when you know perfectly well that’s not what they really think, and then tearing the strawman to shreds to insult the intelligence and character of the people you disagree with.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  125. Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/14/2016 @ 8:21 am

    But the point is they are dead set against getting illegal immigration under control.

    I think they’re against enforcement first, and against enforcement for the sake of enforcement. People who want enforcement have to lie and claim that every provision in the law not only is justified, but is extremely important.

    Where is it written that every law should be enforced? In fact, it’s written the other way, both in the Bible, and in the Declaration of Independence. Do you feel this way about marijuana laws, or laws against importing prescription medicines from Canada, or Cuban cigars or ANY OTHER LAW?

    To actually create a law that would be enforced regardless, would give too much power to the government.

    And you can create a law that was enforced and that worked as intended if:

    1) You did not have any numbers in the executable portion of the law.

    AND/OR

    2) You allowed most people to buy their way out of any restrictions (You can drive up the price of smuggling and underbid them.

    Power tends to corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    The point is the RINO NeverTrumps reject Trump because they think he IS conservative in many ways

    I think that’s a big part of it, that’s very true, but these are policy positions that also do not have majority support.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  126. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-evan-mcmullin-could-win-utah-and-the-presidency/

    It would take a fascinating scenario — in which much of the technical detail of how we select presidents comes into play — for McMullin to be sworn in as the 45th president, but the chances of its happening are slim, not none. Indeed, his chances of at least making things very interesting may be as high as 1 to 3 percent — about the same as the odds of the Cubs’ coming back to beat the Giants on Monday.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  127. Things would have to work out just right for this to happen. Of course something even more unlikely happened in the year 2000.

    Another way is if he and some others wins many states.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  128. Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 10/14/2016 @ 2:19 pm

    You’re verifying exactly what I said. The RINO’s are against the conservative position on the border and other things, and that’s why they oppose Trump.

    You’re defending the RINO position on immigration, which is irrelevant to the point I’m making. I totally disagree with your suggestion that they are against enforcing immigration laws based on some general idea of enforcing laws too strictly being a bad idea. I find that theory hilarious.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  129. @ Gerald A, #128:

    The “conservative” NeverTrumps who are making common cause with people like Whitman on the grounds that Trump’s a liberal are somewhere out in space.

    Hi from space. It’s great here. We don’t have to twist ourselves into knots to support a buffoonish womanizer while ignoring his past political positions or misbehavior.

    Also, we have snickerdoodles.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  130. @ Gerald A, #118:

    I should not have implied that I think all (non-RINO) NeverTrumps are unhinged, but a good many seem to be.

    Is this your “basket of deplorables” moment?

    Demosthenes (09f714)


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