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10/12/2016

Et Tu, L.A. Times Daily Tracker?? Trump Down in Trumpiest of Trumpy Polls

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am



Lately, when every poll has been showing Trump down, some by double digits, there was always Old Reliable: the L.A. Times daily tracker, which consistently has Trump up when everyone else has him down. (When I was covering the bias of the L.A. Times for years, I never imagined I would be saying that their poll consistently skews towards the Republican candidate!) Today, for the first time in a month, the poll has Hillary up, albeit barely:

lat-daily-tracker

With the national polls trashing Trump’s chances every day, I have been hearing denial from the pro-Trump crowd. The NBC/WSJ poll showing Hillary up by 9-11 points? Skewed sample and run by a Hillary guy! The Atlantic/PRRI poll showing Hillary up by 11 points? The astounding pro-Hillary numbers for women are not to be believed! My answer has been: perhaps. Let’s keep watching.

And so we are. And this . . . is not a good sign for the Trumpers.

For what it’s worth, there are several disastrous (for Trump) state polls dropping today. I’ll leave those for others to report in more detail. But for now, I’ll just say:

When you’ve lost the L.A. Times daily tracker . . .

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

UPDATE: The New York Times says this is the result of a single black voter not being in the sample. That makes this poll seem ever sillier than it already seemed. Now, if Trumpers can just come up with a way to dismiss the new polls from Utah, and Wisconsin, and Ohio…and the reports about the state of play in Georgia and Arizona…why then, Trump is home free!

31 Responses to “Et Tu, L.A. Times Daily Tracker?? Trump Down in Trumpiest of Trumpy Polls”

  1. The NBC/WSJ poll showing Hillary up by 9-11 points?

    Wondering when you’d mention the post debate update.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  2. And this is in no way similar to a PP abortion provider leafing through a Maserati brochure

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  3. and look how many times, they were tied at that point,

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. I suspect that the election will be much closer than the polls indicate. No reason other than utter distrust of the media. Everything they say is a lie, in part.

    The ultimate form of push-polling is when you use polls to push down the actual voting through discouragement.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  5. You may ride that pony yet!

    Colonel Haiku (f8bfb8)

  6. August 29th, September 7, and 12th, they were tied again,

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. Your craving for a defeat of Trump is noted.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  8. “Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?” — Hillary Rodham Clinton

    Because…

    “That’s the way, uh-huh, uh-huh I like it… ” – ‘That’s The Way I Like It’, KC And The Sunshine Band, 1975

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. And you know why? Because of one 19 year old black man from Illinois.

    Its all over but the crying. We said this would happen. We said Clinton wanted Trump. We said he was a liberal Democrat buffoon that the country would reject. We said he would crater.

    But no, you wanted your liberal Democrat buffoon because you were angry and irrational. President Clinton thanks you for your support.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (dd9551)

  10. UPDATE: The New York Times says this is the result of a single black voter not being in the sample. That makes this poll seem ever sillier than it already seemed. Now, if Trumpers can just come up with a way to dismiss the new polls from Utah, and Wisconsin, and Ohio…and the reports about the state of play in Georgia and Arizona…why then, Trump is home free!

    Patterico (4d2a8d)

  11. The new poll from Utah is astonishing.

    It would be entertaining if McMullin won there.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  12. Your craving for a defeat of Trump is noted.

    Mike K (90dfdc) — 10/12/2016 @ 11:16 am

    Oh, now that is an accurate statement. I also crave Hillary’s defeat. I can’t have both, but at least I’ll get one!

    Patterico (4d2a8d)

  13. the only poll that counts is the one on election day

    onward, patriots!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  14. Yeah, aphrael, I had time to blog only one this morning and I think I picked wrong.

    Patterico (4d2a8d)

  15. Hold on. Mr. Feet, did you actually talk about election day?

    The fellow who does not vote?

    Your Donald needs you.

    I do not know why you continue to hector people about voting when YOU. DO. NOT. VOTE.

    It’s like you aren’t serious or something.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  16. oh do not doubt my seriousness my friend

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  17. oh do not doubt my seriousness my friend

    Doubt your seriousness? Never. I no doubt at all that you are not serious.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  18. The last 5 days of political coverage in a nutshell:

    ad hominem
    [ad hom-uh-nuh m -nem, ahd‐]

    adjective
    1.
    appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.
    2.
    attacking an opponent’s character rather than answering his argument.

    Wish I could figure out how to bold the last 5 words.

    The guy is a pig, and is unlikely to crackle top 30% of presidents, but Hillary has a damned good shot at destroying the republic. 4 more years of enabled deep-state bureaucracy unbridled will ruin the economy. That is, if the war with China and/or Russia the disaster that is our foreign policy may get us into doesn’t kill us first.

    bud (902354)

  19. populist republican base is taking over republican party and will control party after election. neo-con artists wealthy corporatists and their running dogs ayn randist movement conservatives will no longer be alowed to destroy the republican base with their free trade and open borders immigration policy!

    populist takeover (75abca)

  20. Trump is the worse R candidate ever. Perhaps the most disgusting candidate ever, . . . except for Clinton – who talks just as nasty, but has the press covering for her.

    Trump has exposed the GOP for the weaklings they are, and yet he will lose – and we are going to suffer either way.

    Steven Malynn (206198)

  21. vote trump or get open borders wall street stooge hillary!

    populist takeover (75abca)

  22. rather than answering his argument

    Trump has an argument besides “Trump”?

    Patterico (4d2a8d)

  23. Here are the Hillary Clinton Principles:

    *There is no truth, only competing agendas.
    *All Western (and especially American) claims to moral superiority over Communism/Fascism/Islam are vitiated by the West’s history of racism and colonialism.
    *There are no objective standards by which we may judge one culture to be better than another. Anyone who claims that there are such standards is an evil oppressor.
    *The prosperity of the West is built on ruthless exploitation of the Third World; therefore Westerners actually deserve to be impoverished and miserable.
    * Crime is the fault of society, not the individual criminal.
    *Poor criminals are entitled to what they take. Submitting to criminal predation is more virtuous than resisting itThe poor are victims. Criminals are victims. And only victims are virtuous.
    “*Therefore only the poor and criminals are virtuous. (Rich people can borrow some virtue by identifying with poor people and criminals.)
    * For a virtuous person, violence and war are never justified. It is always better to be a victim than to fight, or even to defend oneself.
    *But “oppressed” people are allowed to use violence anyway; they are merely reflecting the evil of their oppressors.
    *When confronted with terror, the only moral course for a Westerner is to apologize for past sins, understand the terrorist’s point of view, and make concessions.”

    Colonel Haiku (5ee08b)

  24. Here are the Hillary Clinton Principles:

    Nah, she and her sleazy husband only operate by one principle: that they are the most capable, virtuous, and altruistic people in the world, and it is so important that they be in charge that it justifies every law they break, every promise that they go back on, and every life that they ruin.

    JVW (6e49ce)

  25. Does anyone remember the “Oh G*D, Oh, G*D!” (spoken by Omar Sharif)scene from Lawrence of Arabia? Well, that is what historians will make of this presidential election.

    felipe (023cc9)

  26. “populist takeover”, aka the putsch, shows up after an anti-Semitic white power dude gets the jackboot shoved somewhere, and the clown GUS gets flushed. Coincidence?

    John Hitchcock (d19b78)

  27. populist takeover is Perry! He’s got himself a new soulmate! You know him from CSPT! Does he like to put on a dress and go into ladies restrooms?!

    nk (dbc370)

  28. “What’s all this talk of revolution if Trump loses. It’s certainly not American.”- Chris Matthews, tenured blowhard, MSNBC.

    We’re all-a-tingle, Philadelphia man.

    “I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.” – Thomas Jefferson, American revolutionary, 1787

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. @25.Does anyone remember the “Oh G*D, Oh, G*D!” (spoken by Omar Sharif)scene from Lawrence of Arabia? Well, that is what historians will make of this presidential election.

    More likely they’ll recall Anthony Quinn and wax wistfully about the Trump Administration and how it made America great again….

    “Because I am a river to my people!” – Auda abu Tayi [Anthony Quinn] ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ 1962

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  30. The guy is a pig, and is unlikely to crackle top 30% of presidents,

    Yes indeed, because he is going to lose in a blowout that tears down the party he didn’t like anyway.

    Trump’s fans gave this to Hillary on a silver platter and still don’t get it.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  31. @Dustin:Trump’s fans gave this to Hillary on a silver platter and still don’t get it.

    Trump’s fans are not ignoring Hillary’s wrongdoing and focusing instead on stuff Trump said and was alleged to have done 20 years ago that Democrats defend when Hillary and Bill do it.

    Just sayin’.

    The Democrats rally around their candidate, no matter how bad, and so does the media. Party of Stupid, not so much: would rather be pure and impotent than have power to implement any of their principles.

    Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc)


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