Trump Retweets Juanita Broaddrick in Foreshadowing of Debate Strategy
This is apparently an indication of how Trump plans to handle the “grab them by the p***y” video” tomorrow: Bill Clinton to start, a heaping helping of Bill Clinton for the main course — and for dessert? Bill Clinton:
If your style is to hit back whenever you’re hit, this is the logical place to go, and he’s already starting. It’s a reminder that he’s not the only awful person on the stage.
The only thing is, there’s not an ever-growing list of Democrat politicians abandoning Hillary Clinton today because of her treatment of Juanita Broaddrick. But there very notably is a large list of GOP pols ditching Trump, as RedState has been documenting all day long. I count eight U.S. Senators from the GOP calling for him to drop out, and three more who have revoked their previous endorsements. And that’s not even counting the GOP members of the House doing the same.
The first question of the debate is going to be about the mass GOP exodus from the Trump Train. I guess Trump can try to fake his way through it with a lot of Bill Clinton this and Juanita Broaddrick that. I’m just not sure that’s going to wash with the voters.
[Cross-posted at RedState. I also have a piece there about Kellyanne Conway ditching Fox News Sunday tomorrow, but I ultimately conclude that it does not seem to mean she’s quitting, so I’m not sure how much it matters. A little, I think. Not a lot.]
I’m still just astounded this is such a big deal. If it had broken during the Republican primary I think it would have been a one- or two-day flash in the pan and that would be it.
I suppose that is still possible with this — but with the Giant Exodus of GOP pols I’m not so sure.
Patterico (bcf524) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:06 pmGreetings:
I grew up in the Bronx of the ’50s and ’60s. Sometimes in the schoolyard, an unpopular kid would be picked to fill out the afternoon’s team. Before long the better players or those who really didn’t like him would want to “chuck” him off the team for some perceived failure on his part. Thanks to the concept of sportsmanship that my father imbued me with, I thought it a dumb idea.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:19 pm@1. It’s the timing.
It’s October, not February.
A lot of JR’s antics were tolerated and excused– until the end of season 3.
“Well, as you know, I always felt we tried to go a bridge too far.” – Lt. General Frederick “Boy” Browning [Dirk Bogarde] – “A Bridge Too Far,” – 1977
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:21 pmIt’s funny to see all the blustering puffery of the GOP weasels “demanding” Trump step down – you know if you’d ever shown any sign of having a spine before this you wouldn’t be in the position you’re in now. You let some loud-mouthed chuckle-headed New Jersey goombah Democrat clown walk right in, slap you around, spit in your face, walk right off with your party – and now you’re going to get tough? Please. Go away, you’re pathetic. Seriously, go away.
Jerryskids (16a4d5) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:26 pmThis says more about the Democrats and why we should do everything in our power to make sure they don’t have any.
SaveFarris (fb4883) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:33 pmnothing you confess Mr. Trump could make me love you less
i’ll stand by you :}
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:41 pm🙂
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:42 pmyay!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:42 pmA ton of GOP candidates will have to withdraw their public support for Trump so they can avoid silly unending questions from the media about where they stand on the issue of “grabbing married women’s p*s*ies.”
The national conversation should be focused on Obamacare, the failing economy, ISIS, Russia, North Korea, and China’s expansionist actions in the seas.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:54 pmInstead, we’re talking about Billy Bush.
What a disaster.
But let’s keep in mind, there were an awful lot of conservatives who vowed six months ago that they could nevvvver support Marco Rubio or John Kasich in a general election.
How’s that contrast between Rubio (or Kasich) and Trump looking right about now?
nothing you confess Mr. Trump could make me love you less
i’ll stand by you :}
I don’t think both of you will be able to hide behind Juanita’s skirts.
nk (dbc370) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:56 pm@ Patterico, #1:
I’m not surprised. Up until now, there was a faint chance that Trump could win…one that had been relatively strong as recently as last month. But then he didn’t do so well in the first debate, and his veep candidate notably failed to rise to his defensein the second debate, and then his poll numbers started heading south.
The officeholders who are ditching Trump hadn’t done so before because they still had hopes that he would at least keep things close, and that down-ballot races (either theirs of those of their friends) would not be appreciably hurt by Trump losing by a couple points. Now, though, they see this as the last nail in the coffin for the top of the ticket, and they’re racing to disavow so that they can hold on in their own races, or so that their friends can hold on.
In other words, it’s a move borne of practical concerns rather than principled ones.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/8/2016 @ 6:59 pm@ Cruz Supporter, #9:
As someone who voted for Rubio (he was about my fourth choice out of the field, but the top three didn’t make it to my state’s primary)…Rubio’s looking pretty good. So, for that matter, is Cruz.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:01 pm@Demosthenes:Now, though, they see this as the last nail in the coffin for the top of the ticket, and they’re racing to disavow so that they can hold on in their own races, or so that their friends can hold on.
I agree this is what they are doing. It won’t work now and it never has.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:02 pm@ Gabriel Hanna, #13:
Neither does attempting to protect conservatism by voting for a liberal for president. Yet that’s what you’re doing. So you’re not in much of a position to throw stones.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:06 pmNow, though, they see this as the last nail in the coffin for the top of the ticket, and they’re racing to disavow so that they can hold on in their own races, or so that their friends can hold on.
In other words, it’s a move borne of practical concerns rather than principled ones.
You mean they like people who win?
nk (dbc370) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:07 pmThe difference is Democrats want to win. Top Republicans (and many #NeverTrumpers) have more in common with the Left than they do with people who have reached the limits of their capacity to put up with the lies, criminal acts, and decimation of the America that they’ve loved and cherished their entire lives.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:09 pmDon’t they have to have been on Trumps side in the first place before they could be deemed an exodus?
Of this stream of NR bigots, which one spoke for Trump at the convention?
Ted Cruz…. And the line stops there.
papertiger (82d7e8) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:10 pmhttp://www.concordmonitor.com/Ray-Duckler-Kelly-Ayotte-GOP-Convention-Senate-NH-3530905
Didn’t Ayotte announce for Clinton?
papertiger (82d7e8) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:13 pm@Demosthenes: Yet that’s what you’re doing.
Cite please. When did I vote for Trump? When did I even post a single word of praise for Trump?
At most I have defended Trump from things I thought unfair, and pointed out how Hillary is far worse than Trump, in my opinion.
And you have repeatedly called me “un-American” without justification.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:14 pmThose politicians now rejecting Trump may also be privy to other oppo research which makes the current matter a puny bauble. They are definitely privy to the professional non-public polling and focus group reports upon which most political decisions are made.
The Trump cesspool is HUUUGE! and the lid is barely off.
Rick Ballard (b9de6e) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:15 pmSaying obnoxious things or doing despicable things that cost lives, ruin lives, facilitate the destruction of nations, pose a threat to take away rights… gee… I wonder what matters more…
No, actually, I wonder what has caused people to lose critical thinking skills.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:22 pm@Ballard:Those politicians now rejecting Trump may also be privy to other oppo research which makes the current matter a puny bauble.
Why does Party of Stupid not know about this before, with its own candidate? Why does Party of Stupid never seem to have any of its own about the Democratic candidate?
I’m afraid it’s the same answer in both cases: they’re dumb enough to believe what they see on TV, and they care only about holding office as individuals rather than collecting enough political power to implement conservative policies.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:22 pmThe time has come.
The time has come.
The time is now.
Just go.
Go.
GO!
I don’t care how.
You can go by foot.
You can go by cow.
Donald J Trump, will you please go now!
You can go on skates.
You can go on skis.
You can go in a hat.
But please go.
Please!
I don’t care.
You can go by bike.
You can go on a Zike-Bike if you like.
If you like you can go in an old blue shoe.
Just go, go, GO!
Please do, do, DO!
Donald J Trump, I don’t care how.
Donald J Trump, will you please GO NOW!
You can go on stilts.
You can go by fish.
You can go in a Crunk-Car if you wish.
If you wish you may go by lion’s tail.
Or stamp yourself and go by mail.
Donald J Trump!
Don’t you know the time has come to go, Go, GO!
Get on yout way!
Please, Donald J!
You might like going in a Zumble-Zay.
You can go by balloon…
…or broomstick.
OR Yous can go by camel in a bureau drawer.
You can go by Bumble-Boat…
…or jet.
I don’t care how you go.
Just GET!
Get yourself a Ga-Zoom.
You can go with a……………..
BOOM!
Donald, Donald, Donald!
Will you leave this room!
Donald J Trump!
I don’t care HOW.
Donald J Trump!
Will you please GO NOW!
I said GO and GO I ment….
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:23 pmThe time had come.
SO…
Donald WENT.
@Kevin M:Donald J Trump!
Will you please GO NOW!
Yeah, but he would still be on the ballot. Even if he dies, he will be on the ballot. Magical thinking doesn’t help anyone out here.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:25 pmThe more elected republicans run away from him the more they embolden Trump to go full Reform-partyish and blast away at all of them which is probably would he’d really like to do anyway.
The Clintons and their media friends set the trap. Trump failed to prep the electorate for his many transgressions when he was “not so young and irresponsible” and waltzed right into it. for better or worse we’re about to see what he’s made of.
crazy (d3b449) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:28 pmplease don’t go
don’t away
hey hey hey
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:31 pmoh god is bedtime for pikachu
see you guys tomorrow
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:32 pmGabriel:
They replaced a senate candidate in NJ in October, even though the law said they could not. Ir can be done.
But there is also the electoral college. There have been elections where state ballots did not have the official candidates on the ballot (usually the VP) and people were just told that a vote for X was really a vote for Y because of the electoral college.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:34 pm@Kevin M:They replaced a senate candidate in NJ in October, even though the law said they could not. Ir can be done.
Yeah. Democrats did in a Democrat state. How is RNC going to do that in all the states by election day?
But there is also the electoral college.
They could vote in Mickey Mouse but they don’t. A) there’s laws that bind their vote, though no one knows if they can be enforced or in what way and B) how do you get them all on the same page?
Magical thinking helps no one here.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:37 pm“Why does Party of Stupid not know about this before, with its own candidate?”
In a galaxy long ago and far away, the media charged with making Trump the GOP candidate highlighted every juvenile put down and insult he uttered while downplaying the fact he is living excrescence and always has been. His opposition considered him to be the sorry joke he has always been and were quite contented to watch him humiliate others until it was their turn. Very ignorant, gullible and credulous primary voters were manipulated by Trump with a huge amount of free publicity from the media and they deserve the lion’s share of responsibility for electing Clinton.
In retrospect, the party and Trump’s opponents’ refusal to take the clowning con man seriously was an egregious error but the true error was overestimating the intelligence of the primary electorate.
Rick Ballard (b9de6e) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:37 pmBTW, has anyone seen my shocked face? Usually I leave it in the drawer by the sarc tag, but this election has just had me dragging it out so many times, I appear to have misplaced it.
WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT that someone so known for his discretion and manners would get caught up in sex scandals near the end of the campaign? At least this must be the last of them!
/sarc
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:38 pmAnd how do you stop Democrats from suing over any possible statement from a state government saying a vote for Trump is really a vote for Pence? What would restrain them from suing? You think it’s a mess now?
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:39 pmIf watching several instances of women and apparently gay men get beaten down by leftwingers for supporting a guy running for president and then have these thugs openly boast about it after doing it in plain sight of police who were ordered to do nothing about it and DID nothing about it for fear of losing their jobs isn’t enough to put you off your feed then what will?
I oppose fascism. Get a clue.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:41 pm@Rick Ballard:the true error was overestimating the intelligence of the primary electorate.
Well no one ever went broke underestimating it. But here’s the thing, if that’s true what on earth is the way forward, leaving this election aside? If the media can create and destroy Republican nominees at will because the electorate lets them, then where are we going?
One party state, that’s where.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:41 pmElectors are not bound until after the election. They’re appointed by the legislature in accordance with the results of the election for the candidates in that state and the slate votes en masse as directed, winner take all (except for Maine when nobody has a majority). When you see electors on a ballot, it just means that they’re applying for the job instead of the legislature going to Temps R Us. Not that you’re voting for your candidate.
nk (dbc370) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:44 pmTHese guys aren’t just now getting around to rejecting Trump. THese are the same who were against him from the beginning.
Noisily.
They’re in no danger of the door catching them.
Also that NR dude claiming Hillary and her surrogates will bust out in a gush of off color Trump videos, I’ll bet not.
How many times did Trump do a cameo on a soap opera?
Not many if ever for this one.
papertiger (82d7e8) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:44 pm@nk:Electors are not bound until after the election.
True. And Trump can’t be taken off the ballot at this point. The electors would be directed to vote for Trump anyway if “Trump” won, assuming that would even happen if he were out of the race for some reason.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:47 pmGabriel, there is NO EFFING WAY that a state can impose a rule on an elector. Their role is completely described in the Constitution and states cannot add to those rules.
U.S. Term Limits v. Thornton
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:48 pmSchaeffer v. Townsend (9th circuit 98-55718)
Yeah, papertiger
We told you so. Endlessly. You wouldn’t listen. Still won’t.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:50 pm@Kevin M:Gabriel, there is NO EFFING WAY that a state can impose a rule on an elector.
I’m aware of that issue. Now think of implementation. How are you going to convince all the electors to be faithless? How will you work that out? How will you know they will go through with it? If even a few stick to the rule, enforceable or not, Hillary wins.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:50 pmFor the same reason that all the laws that get passed ordering Congressmen to vote for/against X are unconstitutional, that states cannot impose term limits or residency requirements on Congressmen, and cannot bind convention delegates.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:53 pmIt reminds me of Patton being demoted for not mentioning the Ruskies as allies while give a speech at a British ladies association.
He would have mentioned them if he thought they were there. He didn’t like the sons o beeches, but he would have mentioned them out of common courtesay.
papertiger (82d7e8) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:54 pmGabriel,
If, before the election, the Republican National Committee says “Our candideate is no longer Donald Trump, but rather X.” Votes for the Republican ticket are votes for X, not for Donald Trump who is no longer a candidate in this election.”, which elector is faithless? The one who votes for X, or for Trump?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:55 pm@Kevin M: There’s no point in saying that electors can vote for who they want. We already know that. But what they do, in practice, is vote the way the states tell them to, whether or not the states actually have that power the electors behave as though they do.
So, once again: How are you going to convince all the electors to be faithless? How will you work that out? How will you know they will go through with it? If even a few stick to the rule, enforceable or not, Hillary wins.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:55 pm“what on earth is the way forward,”
Jay Cost’s A Republican Nomination Process was published three years ago and ignored by the RNC and GOP power brokers. The current idiocy could have been avoided had it been even partially adopted. It’s a very decent proposal but the current herd of hogs has to be shipped off to Armour before it will be addressed. Dragging them out of their sties should be the first order of business after the election but they’re big fat mean hogs so it’s going to take some effort.
Rick Ballard (b9de6e) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:57 pm@Kevin M:which elector is faithless? The one who votes for X, or for Trump?
That’s exactly my point, Kevin! The electors will come to different conclusions about that, and so will the states. And the state laws will be interpreted differently by different people. And there will be lawsuits.
If there are any electors who write Trump instead of X, Hillary wins.
This is no different from the Birther thinking that if we can prove Obama was born in Kenya he somehow would cease to be President.
And how is the Republican slate going to win a majority in a state where the ballot says “Trump” and Trump is known to be out of the race? How are you even going to get the voters on the same page, much less the electors?
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:59 pmSuppose Trump dropped dead. Are you saying that the RNC could not use it’s clear rule for replacing the dead candidate and that Hillary would win by default? Note that if the electors vote for the dead guy, there is NO Constitutional rule that would put the VP-elect in as President.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:59 pm@Rick Ballard:Dragging them out of their sties should be the first order of business after the election but they’re big fat mean hogs so it’s going to take some effort.
Aw, man, by that time compulsory Islamic gay marriage will be implemented and Hillary declared President-for-life in a 14-3 Supreme Court ruling.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:00 pmIf there are any electors who write Trump instead of X, Hillary wins.
No. Of course not. Unless they write Hillary instead of X (or Trump) that can’t happen. Hillary can only win if she wins. The WORST (other than Hillary winning) that can happen is that NO ONE gets 270 votes and the House of Representatives has to pick.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:01 pm@kevin M:Are you saying that the RNC could not use it’s clear rule for replacing the dead candidate and that Hillary would win by default?
Yep.
Note that if the electors vote for the dead guy, there is NO Constitutional rule that would put the VP-elect in as President.
Yep.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:01 pm“Second, it can be useful to ask, What would the Democrats do? Here there is no need to speculate: we saw what they did in the 1990s. They circled the wagons and defended their man to the hilt, using whatever smears and lies were helpful, even though he was credibly accused of rape and multiple instances of sexual harassment. Indeed, that is what the Democrats are doing now with Hillary Clinton, as revelations much more material to her performance in office than the Trump video have come out over the past year or two. See, generally, Clinton Cash. Republicans are always held to a higher standard than Democrats, but why? Maybe this is as good a time as any to reject the double standard and fight fire with fire. E.g., this Drudge headline: ‘KATHLEEN WILLEY CALLS FOR HILLARY TO RESIGN FROM CAMPAIGN…’”
— John Hinderaker
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:01 pmHow are you even going to get the voters on the same page, much less the electors?
It’s called “advertising”
And this kind of thing has come up before and signs are allowed INSIDE the polling places.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:03 pm#50: Twice wrong.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:04 pm@Kevin M:The WORST (other than Hillary winning) that can happen is that NO ONE gets 270 votes and the House of Representatives has to pick.
Good point.
Still, you can’t get Trump off the ballot, and if that happens it’s unlikely electors for that slate would be sworn in, because there are so many people who would not vote for a dead guy, out of confusion or whatever.
If there was that much commitment and party unity in the GOP none of this freak show would have happened.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:04 pmThat was “reducio ad absurdum” but you embraced thee absurd.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:04 pm
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:05 pm#NeverTrumpThe Weak Suck Party@Kevin: Twice wrong.
Fine, you show me the election laws in all 50 states that allow the ballots to be changed in the way you described. And then you show me how the DNC will be prevented from suing to have those laws changed. And you show me how those lawsuits will be wrapped up by election day.
It doesn’t matter if Trump dies tomorrow and the RNC picks someone else. That new person does not get to go on the ballot automatically. What would happen then is determined by state laws. They all say different things, and they can all be set aside by a court.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:06 pmIf there was that much commitment and party unity in the GOP none of this freak show would have happened.
A majority of the GOP never voted for Trump. About a third of the rank and file made it clear that they would NEVER vote for Trump. The only reason that he was still in the game was that Hillary was so bloody awful — his best argument was always “I’m not her!”
And her best argument was always “I’m not him!” which is now a winning argument.
We’ll know in 24 short hours. I expect that Trump will quit.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:08 pm@Kevin M: If Trump had been kicked out by the RNC the day after the primary they might have got the ballots changed in time; but there still would have been lawsuits. Now it’s simply too late.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:08 pmFine, you show me the election laws in all 50 states that allow the ballots to be changed in the way you described. And then you show me how the DNC will be prevented from suing to have those laws changed. And you show me how those lawsuits will be wrapped up by election day.
Supreme Court, 4-3, Ginsberg recused.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:09 pm@Kevin M:I expect that Trump will quit.
If he does he tanks the election, 100% certain, for the reasons I outlined. The ballots cannot be changed without lawsuits and those lawsuits have to go the RNC’s way in 270 votes’ worth of states. No way.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:10 pm@Kevin M: Cite please? How will the Supreme Court settle 51 ballot lawsuits? Why would Ginsburg recuse herself? No one can make her.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:11 pmIt’s a state by state issue. The legislature can appoint a slate of electors to vote for Mickey Mouse (ok, any natural born citizen over 35) if its election laws allow it notwithstanding the results of the election. Florida did it in 2000 while Bush v. Gore was still being fought in the courts and in the media.
nk (dbc370) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:15 pm@nk:It’s a state by state issue.
Exactly. Potentially 51 lawsuits. If there’s any process worse than how we do presidential elections it would have to be this one.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:16 pmOr 50 special legislative sessions.
“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.”
51? Why 51?
nk (dbc370) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:19 pmNever mind. DC. 23rd Amendment.
nk (dbc370) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:22 pmI’m old enough to remember when Democrats insisted that discussions about sex were merely distractions from doing the important work on behalf of the American people! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:22 pmAnd the Cubs are going to San Francisco with a two-game lead.
nk (dbc370) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:41 pmGreat picture of Paul Ryan on Drudge right now.
That guy is dreamy.
Pinandpuller (e2e35f) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:46 pmSeems like the top of Drudge is an Honor Blackman tribute.
Pinandpuller (e2e35f) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:51 pmSo if McCain won’t be voting for Trump, does that mean he’s going to vote for his old Senate drinking pal illary?
Or will he just abstain from voting?
Or will he vote for Gary Johnson or Evan what’s his name?
As cringeworthy as Trump’s tape was, we still can’t take our eyes off the prize. The enemy is Alinsky and ISIS.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:57 pmYeah, and the NYT and Wash Post are leading with stories about what Trump is alleged to have said a number of years ago.
They seem to think there are suckers out there ripe for the playin’…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:59 pmRick Ballard (b9de6e) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:15 pm
It’s too early for new polling to come out.
They’re panicking. Or Reince Priebus is.
It could be that what happened to cause to cause all these endorsement retractions is that Priebus now told everybody it’s OK not to be for Trump, so everyone who endorsed Trump just because of Preibus has reversed himself.
Probably people are using this as an excuse to try to get out of endorsement they’ve been uncomfortable with for awhile, or, maybe better, never really wanted to make in the first place, but were pressured to endorse Donald Trump by RNC Chairman Reince Priebus – who, is himself now on the fence!
Priebus issued a statement saying:
Now why he did it, it could be he is anticipating that there’s more, or just simply concluding that Trump has lost and/or that he will hurt down-ballot races. This video itself is actually really not too surprising.
See also:
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/08/republican-party-cuts-trumps-cash-leaves-nominee-wither-die.html
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/8/2016 @ 10:03 pmGabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/8/2016 @ 8:06 pm
It doesn’t matter whose name is on the ballot, since what you’re doing is voting for Electors, who, probably cannot be actually legally bound, or are bound only by a toothless state law.
It would indeed be a very interesting development if some state Republican parties announced that the actual candiate their electors would vote for for president would be, say, Mike Pence.
This raises the interesting possibility of Mike Pence being chosen by the Senate to be vice president, and by the House of Represenatives to be president.
Is there something in the constitution that says the same person can’t be both? He would, of course, resign one of these offices, and pick a new vice president.
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/8/2016 @ 10:11 pmThe Elites making the stink are the very ones I’m so not impressed with. They can piss off. Nobody thought Donald was claiming to be saintly. Piss on those elite. Paul Ryan is also an open borders guy. He has been looking for an excuse to weasel away from Donald.
Most rap music is far more hateful to women than this, and HiLIARy will take their money. Bill Clinton actually did rape people. HiLIARy did use lies to defend a rapist. She has sold influence for money and made the United States weaker.
Milwaukee (313fad) — 10/8/2016 @ 10:39 pm@Kevin M: Cite please? How will the Supreme Court settle 51 ballot lawsuits? Why would Ginsburg recuse herself? No one can make her.
She would recuse herself because of her comments about the election. She has declared herself a Hillary partisan. The Chief Justice can’t exactly force her, but he can make not doing so extremely costly to her.
The following are supposed to be problems:
Early voting. Hardly. You vote early, you accept that all kinds of things can happen after you vote. Such as the candidate dying of dropping out. Tough.
Name on ballot. For electronic ballots, if you cannot change the ballot lines in a effing month when it’s digital EVERYONE INVOLVED needs to be fired for incompetence. This SHOULD be possible, with proper security, within a couple of days, tops. There are no purely paper ballots “printed”, everything is punchcards or sensedots or something computer readable, so all you have to do is sticky over the ballot receptacle. Again, not THAT hard and it certainly does not take a month.
The did it in Jersey, and if they can do it there and not have bad things happen, they can do it anywhere. Even Chicago and Florida.
So, yes, Supreme Court orders “Do it” using the same ;logic as the Lautenberg case: “you aren’t expecting a default election, are you?”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 12:14 amBTW, while I accept mail ballots for certain people (military, hospital patients, etc), this whole early voting thing is just garbage. Everyone should go to the polls and vote on the same day. Voting should actually be a little inconvenient.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 12:17 amIs there something in the constitution that says the same person can’t be both?
Well, the same electors can’t vote for him for both, because he is from the same state as himself.
The 25th Amendment doesn’t discuss this at all, only what happens if the president-ELECT dies. Even if the presumptive president-elect dies before the electors vote, it’s not clear.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 12:20 amGabriel, you can assert your case all night if you want, but I guarantee that people will find a solution that isn’t absurd despite your assertions to the contrary.
And it is this:
BIG SIGN IN EVERY POLLING PLACE: THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES ARE _________ and ________. If you vote for the Republican ballot line, you are NOT voting for Donald Trump, you are voting for _______ and ______.
Now, who ARE the Republican candidates? THAT may depend on state law, but I believe the answer is: “Whomever the RNC says they are.” If it is not that, we may wake up tomorrow to see states like California and New York removing Trump from the ballot on their own.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 12:26 amRyan should be hung by his balls and offered a razor blade.
mg (31009b) — 10/9/2016 @ 2:14 amClarice rocks.
mg (31009b) — 10/9/2016 @ 2:22 amhttp://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/10/the_republican_white_togas_at_work_for_the_queen_of_sleaze.html
It’s a shame black lives matter people are not killing political hacks who lie and steal instead of Policeman doing their job.
mg (31009b) — 10/9/2016 @ 2:50 amThe republican party started falling apart when boosh 1 lied about raising taxes. What a slimy family.
mg (31009b) — 10/9/2016 @ 3:00 amDemocrats circle the wagons, republicans have circular firing squads. One reason Trump is the candidate, he fights back.
gbear (70736b) — 10/9/2016 @ 3:09 ammittens is the Michael Vick of the republican party.
mg (31009b) — 10/9/2016 @ 4:09 amAnimal abusers have no rights.
@ Col. H, who wrote (#):
You’re too smart a guy to say something this damned stupid. I assure you that I’m as concerned with the state of American politics and America as you are, my friend. The fact that people on the left recognize Trump for what he is, and that I also recognize him for what he is, does not mean that I have more in common with the Left than with you. Nor would that be the case for, say, Paul Ryan or Mike Pence.
You’re blaming exactly the wrong people. For the fact that Clinton now faces no effective opposition, blame Trump. Blame the people who voted for him. And quit slinging poo at people who have the sense and decency to recognize Trump for what he is — I hope you’ll return to that fold, if you’ve left it.
Beldar (fa637a) — 10/9/2016 @ 4:27 amAnd now I feel worse, having returned to these comments to argue with Trump supporters.
I’ve no one but myself to blame for that. I knew better.
Beldar (fa637a) — 10/9/2016 @ 4:30 amPart of the uproar is that Trump expresses what is not supposed to be expressed. “It’s good to be king.”
Richard Aubrey (472a6f) — 10/9/2016 @ 4:44 amAs Henry Kissinger said, while dating Jill St. John, power is an aphrodisiac. So is money.
But we’re supposed to pretend to believe differently.
So … if Trump behaves like this when he’s still a second-rate hustler (Putin has killed, jailed or exiled several “self-made billionaires” richer and more powerful than Trump), how will he behave should he become the most powerful man on Earth?
Fact is that this is only the straw that broke the camel’s back. Trump’s unfitness for the office of the President has been apparent to the majority of Americans since he first announced. He got to where he got because the unfitness of the dwarves of the GOPe to lead the party of Abraham Lincoln was not as apparent.
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 4:57 amA short poem by Admiral Yugo Takas*ita, published in the Kamikaze Veterans Quarterly, loosely translated from the original:
Unfettered I shall rise and fly
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 5:11 amInto the beautiful North Side sky
With Wrigley Field to light the way
I’ll shout Dump Trump!, Go Cubbies! every day.
http://www.allenbwest.com/allen/folks-heres-say-trumps-hot-mic-comments
mg (31009b) — 10/9/2016 @ 6:12 amGOP politicians are cucks and traitors, who should be purged following Trump’s gaining power.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 10/9/2016 @ 6:39 amYes, we know the hopes and dreams of alt.light-in-the-Birkenstocks, all 27 of you. You should have picked a winner for a fuhrer, not an orange-skinned loser who is going to get his ass whupped by an old woman with one foot in the grave.
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 6:59 amthe camel’s back is strong and in his eye a glint of steely determination
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 7:09 amHe’s just holding out for a better deal. To be bought out by Republicans who have given up on the Presidency but want to hold on to the lower offices. In the meantime squeezing out all he can from the credit cards of the faithful donors to his “self-funded” campaign.
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 7:15 amand then he does his Donald dance
he shake his booty high
shake shake shake
then he shake it down low
shake shake shake
then he sorta does these kinda complicated tango steps – very elegant
then bam he’s right back to shakin it!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 7:19 amHe lost his chance to be bought out by the Democrats. I don’t think we’ll see Ivanka as Hillary’s HUD Secretary.
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 7:19 amthe sleazy propaganda sluts are already over-reaching by conflating the billy bush tape with the howard stern show lol
all cause they so bad wanna do that pig all up in it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 7:31 amThose people who attacked Trump harshly, then as soon as he was the Team R candidate, started attacking Trump’s critics harshly instead (for saying the same stuff about Trump they were saying the day before), have abandoned integrity in service of partisanship. Such people cannot be reasoned with because admitting their error requires integrity and they have abandoned it. When you discuss with someone who can’t grant a point, you’re not really doing anything.
It’s not directly their fault Hillary will be president. It’s simply their fault that partisanship ate away at the GOP’s soul until the party stood for nothing. Opportunists have sought Team R and Team D nominations knowing that partisans on both sides have their back no matter what the truth is. This is a basic reason for so much of what’s wrong these days.
Fear of democrats should not be enough to tolerate anybody with an R by their name. The reason for this is both simple and complex. Standards are standards, but also, the very nature of the GOP’s failure stems from politicians calculating how things play out.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/9/2016 @ 7:39 amthe GOP is a wormy apple infested with slimy perverts like Mitt Romney
but thanks to Mr. Trump there’s hope for change
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 7:41 am“In the past week:
– Justice drops the case against a gunrunner from Hillary’s Libya fiasco whose testimony would certainly have harmed Obama and Hillary.
– Evidence surfaced that the White House participated in the cover-up of Hillary’s violation of national security laws with her private server even though they said they absolutely knew nothing about the server and would not interfere with an investigation.
– We have learned more this week about how the investigation of Hillary by the Justice Department and FBI was a pure sham as they gave immunity to so many, took so much stuff off limits, and even carried out the destruction of evidence. The email investigation was pretend, just like the IRS investigation and any supposed investigation of the Clinton Foundation. It is clear that the White House, Justice Department, State Department, and IRS are working specifically to protect Obama and Hillary instead of working for the American people.
– Aleppo and Syria are deteriorating rapidly despite Obama and Kerry being extremely tough and telling Russia and Assad to stop it.
– Obama partially blamed the Civil War in Syria on a drought he says was caused by humans. That is one of the most ignorant statements ever. The war is because Assad is a tyrant, and the Mideast is essentially a desert that has had continued droughts for millennia.
– An NBC News man topped Obama’s stupidity by saying the worthless Paris climate agreement would stop hurricanes.
– Obamacare is collapsing rapidly. The multiple lies to pass the law are more obvious every day. The law is greatly harming the middle class and small employers and reducing the potential for full-time jobs.
– An NSA contractor who committed the same crime as Hillary by keeping classified documents at home on several nonsecure devices is under arrest. Why isn’t Hillary?
The media, of course, don’t focus on any of these things. Instead they trot out a tape of Trump talking dirty about women eleven years ago.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/245871/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/9/2016 @ 7:45 amAnybody who calls Mitt Romney a slimy pervert really needs to get back to that institution to have his meds readjusted.
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:00 ami won’t go go go
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:04 amOk, then. Me, I’m going to go to the Jewel and buy Ore Ida French fries, beef gravy, and squeaky cheese and make poutine.
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:12 amthat sounds perfect for today but i need to clean up the diet today until i do my lil vacation coming up
we’re gonna go explore the obscure northern bits of minnesota and drink old fashioneds in supper clubs
i’m pretty excited this just feels like something what will reward the effort
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:18 am@Colonel Haiku 101:
mark (8216a3) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:27 amAnd how many of those incidents got as much air time on CNN as Trump’s comments from 20 years ago about an overweight beauty queen?
But… but… but Trump says he likes pussy!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:42 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #19:
So, you’re not planning on voting for Trump in November, then? Because if not, why are you defending him?
I have given you a justification. You have just refused to accept it. Which bothers me…not in the least.
@ the Colonel, #21:
Of course,people like me have already responded to this line of argument. Hillary’s deeds are objectively worse, and there’s not a small margin. But then, Trump’s never had the offices Hillary has had. Given the things Trump has done with the power he had, you would be a fool to think that his time in elective office wouldn’t be…similarly colorful in many ways.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:45 amYes, those items from just the past week are the tip of the iceberg on the Clinton’s frolics, but Trump said some obnoxious things, Mark. Priorities, after all…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:46 amColonel Haiku, ironically, if you believe the rumors, it’s a choice between two nominees who like p*s*y.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:54 amThe difference between the two in potential governing style is that Trump will probably spend his time trying to screw women, while illary will spend her time screwing the whole country. (LOL)
@Demosthenes: Because if not, why are you defending him?
Because I think 40 years of one-party rule under compliant media and weaponized civil service is worse that 4-8 years of Berlusconi. Somehow that makes me “un-American”.
I have given you a justification. You have just refused to accept it.
So would any decent person.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:55 am@ Kevin M, #47:
This is actually not true. The vice president is chosen by the electors, as is the president. If the majority of electors voted for a ticket consisting of a) a dead person as president and b) a living, qualified candidate as vice-president, then upon being sworn in, the new VP would immediately success to the presidency, per Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.
Of course, I doubt electors would knowingly vote for a dead person at the top of the ticket. I assume they would be instructed to vote for the party’s VP candidate as president, and that person would then pick his/her vice-president, whom the electors would then also be instructed to support. The only way I can see the scenario I outlined happening is if the president-elect died during the two weeks AFTER the Electoral College had already voted, and their votes were certified, but BEFORE he/she had a chance to assume office.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:57 amBill Clinton?
America made it through his presidency and doesn’t really blame him for 9/11, so to most voters, he’s a fond memory. His treatment of women was probably as bad as Trump’s, but he’s not on the ballot. His spurned wife is on the ballot, and most people feel sorry for the spurned wife rather than somehow blame her for it.
‘Bill Clinton was as bad as me’ is a losing response because those who recognize that Bill is bad will surely say Trump is bad because Trump actually bragged about groping women while Clinton is merely accused of any non consensual conduct.
And Trump isn’t in trouble because he ‘said something bad.’ He bragged that he did something bad. This is like a confessed murderer appealing to the first amendment when his confession is used against him.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:57 am@Demosthenes:Anyone who calls a person who thinks President Hillary would be worse than President Trump “un-American” probably hates children.
Every bit as justified as what you say to me. And every bit as ridiculous.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:58 amLet’s be honest here… Hillary Clinton should be declared unfit for the highest office in the land because she’s a serial, pathological liar, she committed perjury, she’s taken kickbacks throughout her public life, she has tried to destroy women and any other people who got in her way, she’s violated multiple security laws and other laws, she’s left Americans to die in faraway lands, she put America’s national security at risk through her private email servers, she’s left the world in a terrible spot through her incompetence and poor judgement during her time as Secretary of State.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:58 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #111:
That’s clearly not true, since I accept it, and I am a decent person.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 8:58 am@Demosthenes:That’s clearly not true, since I accept it, and I am a decent person.
Assuming the consequent. Which makes you a racist, because I just made that up.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:00 amhillary’s a diseased and wantonly criminal pig
she’s complete filth
and her defilement of failmerica’s already woefully corrupt government will in no way glorify or enoble sore loser harvardtrash ted
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:01 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #114:
If you don’t want to deserve the appellation “un-American,” don’t vote for a cronyist liberal for president. That means no Clinton, and no Trump.
Otherwise, as far as I’m concerned, you’ve earned it, and that’s that.
@ Colonel Haiku, #115:
Everything you say here is true. Which doesn’t make Donald Trump fit to be president.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:01 am*ennoble* i mean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:02 am@Colonel Haiku: 109.Yes, those items from just the past week are the tip of the iceberg on the Clinton’s frolics, but Trump said some obnoxious things, Mark. Priorities, after all…
Exactly!
That’s why I’ve never thought Trump was electable. He has lots of baggage like this. Some of it is actually worse from a governance standpoint (my pet bugaboo is eminent domain abuse). None of it is worse than what Hillary has done but Trump’s will be trumpeted (tee-hee) by the media and Hillary’s downplayed.
I hope I’m wrong (also hope I’m wrong to fear that Trump would “pivot” to the left if elected).
mark (8216a3) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:02 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #117:
You don’t have to assume what you know to be true. I’m not saying I’m a perfect person, or anything close to it, but I’m decent enough.
And as a decent person, I am sick to death of both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and anyone who is supporting them…for any reason or none at all.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:03 amI miss the clear thinking of Christopher Hitchens vis-à-vis the Clintons… he would’ve comically sneered at the sheer buffoonery and then torched anyone who made excuses for either one of them
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:04 ama pig presidency will however probably do a lot to enrich ted’s grimacing harvardtrash sacky
i can’t deny that
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:05 am@Demosthenes:Otherwise, as far as I’m concerned, you’ve earned it, and that’s that.
And you’ve earned my accusation that you’re a racist every bit as fairly.
None of us can see the future. We can only do the best we can with what we do now. I am evaluating the consequences to America of this election. I think one outcome is much less bad for America than for another. This is all I am saying, and all I have ever said.
And you’re calling me “un-American” for it is completely unjustified. I disagree with you about something that no has certain knowledge of, that’s all.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:07 am@Demosthenes:don’t vote for a cronyist liberal for president
Did you vote for McCain or Romney? If so, you’ve earned the “un-American” label every bit as much as I have, and for the same reason.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:08 amwhy do y’all even think *anyone* living in a cowardly slutcountry what’s imbued with a sickening lust to do that criminal pig all up in it are in any way shape or form recognizably american anymore
it seems like a lil bit of wishcasting is happening here
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:12 amspeaking of debate strategy the one I saw
which is a lot likely to be the only one i see
Mr. Trump went very very easy on the sleazy propaganda slut media
if i were him that would be the biggest thing i’d change tonight
especially knowing that this is a cnn debate and it’ll be right afterwards when people will discover all sorts of sleazy planted questions and that they’d already given the doddering pig a list of what was gonna be asked
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:15 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #125:
Really? Because I have steadfastly refused to speculate on whether America would do better ot worse with Clinton or Trump in office. It sounds like you don’t know what we’re disagreeing about. My contention is that both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are corrupt cronyist liberals, and neither of them is fit or deserving to hold the office of President of the United States.
If you disagree with that sentence, which part do you disagree with, and why? And a follow-up: how can you not have certain knowledge of those (in my opinion, obviously true) claims? Do you dispute that the claims are true, or do you not understand what the words mean, or have you simply not been paying attention?
If you do not disagree with that sentence in any part, then it is a trivial conclusion that you think neither Clinton nor Trump is fit to be president — in which case, how can you justify voting for either of them? “Fit” and “unfit,” after all, form a perfect dichotomy, and being “less unfit” is not the equivalent of being “fit.” And a follow-up here, if I may: if you are planning to vote for a presidential candidate to lead this country, and you don’t actually believe they are even minimally deserving of the office or its powers, why should I not call you “un-American”?
I await your reply with some interest.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:19 amAbsolutely.
Impeach her on day one. It would be completely legal and reasonable and I’m serious that it should happen, as it’s the only way for any semblance of justice to happen for the email issue alone.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:20 amIt’s funny. When I voted for both I told myself they were the lesser of two evils, but really, they weren’t nearly as bad as a truly tough call between two evil candidates. Sure, every election is between two politicians, and they almost always stink, but Mccain and Romney v Obama was such a no-brainer compared to Hillary v Trump.
There’s nothing unamerican about doing your best to vote correctly. What’s unamerican is that our great nation spat out these two as the choices.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:22 am@Demosthenes: I’d like you to have a look at what’s at this link. The tl; dr version is this: Last year a U. S. Attorney demanded that a blog turn over information about its commenters, and also put a gag order on that blog to prevent them from informing the commenters. The blog informed the commenters before the gag order, so the U. S. Attorney accused them of obstruction of justice.
Places like Patterico, run by a government employee who does not try to remain anonymous, are not going to survive a Hillary Clinton presidency. He and his commenters will be threatened with lawfare.
Yes, you can argue that Trump’s temperament is such that Trump would do that if he could. Operative word is “could”. The same people so eager to shut down opposition to Obama and Hillary will still be working in the government if Trump is elected. They will against Trump, and not for him. And the media would eager expose that kind of wrongdoing by Trump, and they would cover it up for Hillary.
There’s the difference.
I might be wrong about it, but I’m not un-American.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:23 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #126:
Yes, both. And since both are conservatives of at least some stripe (McCain natsec, Romney econ/social) and neither can be fairly labeled a cronyist, your attempt to tag me as un-American fails.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:23 am@Demosthenes:neither can be fairly labeled a cronyist
Romneycare is cronyism. So is the Ex-Im bank which McCain voted to reauthorize. And let’s not forget he was one of the Keating Five.
Romney is a liberal Republican, that’s why he got elected in a liberal state. McCain was the media’s favorite Republican until he ran against Obama, and sponsored McCain-Feingold.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:27 amCol. H.: You can pretend this stuff isn’t happening. You can pretend to be surprised that the media is fixated on it. You can pretend to be surprised that there was a video with Trump saying things like this.
I just wonder whether you’re going to continue to pretend the same things when the next video comes out. Do you doubt — can anyone doubt? — that there’s a whole pack of video and audio recordings that are going to come out on exactly the schedule that the Clinton campaign most desires?
And are you going to continue to pretend that Trump can win?
Beldar (fa637a) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:29 am@Demosthenes: Her’s McCain on the Ex-Im bank. His statement is practically the dictionary definition of cronyinsm.
“Yesterday, I voted in support of Arizona small businesses and the jobs they support by joining 65 of my colleagues in voting to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank,” said Senator McCain. “Since 2007, 148 companies across Arizona, mostly small and medium-sized enterprises, have tapped into the financing opportunities provided by the Ex-Im Bank to grow their business, create jobs, and export $1 billion in products to countries like Mexico and Australia.”
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:29 am@Demosthenes: If you’re not sure what the Ex-Im bank is, it is a fund that lends money to foreign countries to buy American products. The lion’s share of the fund is for supporting Boeing, but if you’re connected you can get your beak wet.
So, for example, if Qatar’s airline wants to buy a Boeing, the government will lend them the money to do it. But not, say, Delta. Wish the government would pay my customers to patronize my business, but I don’t have enough juice.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:32 amSo, you’re going to ignore my questions at #129, Gabriel? In favor of trying to tar someone as cronyist when he was cleared of charges of acting improperly vis a vis Lincoln Savings and Loan, and later testified on behalf of the plantiffs against Charles Keating?
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:33 amI’m not pretending, Beldar. I’m saying it’s about time one fights fire with fire, instead of folding one’s tent. Stop being played and then falling on one’s back and going into doggie submission every goddam cycle.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:34 am@Demosthenes:So, you’re going to ignore my questions at #129, Gabriel? …My contention is that both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are corrupt cronyist liberals, and neither of them is fit or deserving to hold the office of President of the United States.
No I’ll answer it. I agree with that statement 100%. Both are cronyist liberals, both are unfit. That said, one of the two will be inaugurated in January. I think one of them will be much less bad to live under.
In favor of trying to tar someone as cronyist
You have a lot to learn about Senator McCain and I’ll let you catch up with what I posted above.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:35 am@ Gabriel Hanna, #140:
And yet you will vote for one of them. Thanks. That’s all I wanted to know.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:36 am@Demosthenes:And yet you will vote for one of them.
This is a lie. Retract it. I have never said I will vote for either.
Cite or retract your lie.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:38 amBoth are cronyist liberals, both are unfit.
except for Mr. Trump
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:39 am@Demosthenes: While you are searching my comments for any statement that I will vote for Trump or Hillary, and preparing your retraction, how about that Export-Import bank? Crony capitalism, yes or no? And is McCain excused for supporting it, and if so why?
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:40 amThis is actually not true. The vice president is chosen by the electors, as is the president. If the majority of electors voted for a ticket consisting of a) a dead person as president and b) a living, qualified candidate as vice-president, then upon being sworn in, the new VP would immediately success to the presidency, per Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.
Actually not. There is a provision where the VP succeeds a sitting President (Art II) and a provision where a VP-elect succeeds a President-elect who subsequently dies (25th A), but if the presumptive winner dies before the electoral college votes, there is no written rule, and certainly no rule about what happens if a candidate dies before the vote.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:40 amtypical progressive hypocrisy
Bad words are much worse than actual multiple rapes
joe (debac0) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:42 amBad words are much worse than actual corruption
Bad words are much worse than actual facilitating Irans nuclear program
Bad Words are much worse than payinng $1.7b in cash to Iran
Bad words are much worse the actual release of state secrets via an unprotected email server.
“on exactly the schedule that the Clinton campaign most desires?”
This piece details Clinton’s methodolgy in directing propagandists. It’s Glen Greenwald pushing a Guccifer 2.0 ‘revelation’ so caveat lector applies but the media Whore’s List certainly appears accurate (if somewhat incomplete).
Rick Ballard (b9de6e) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:43 am@Demosthenes: I will tell you, Demosthenes, how I plan to vote. I have said it before.
I will vote for the candidate, in my state, that is on the ballot, and most likely to deprive Hillary Clinton of my state’s electoral votes. I will make that determination when the ballot is in my hand using the information available at that time. I live in a deep blue state, so I could very well end up voting Green or Socialist Workers, but it will be for whoever the #1 non-Hillary is at that time and I do not know who that is yet. The decision will be purely tactical.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:43 am“Let’s be honest here… Hillary Clinton should be declared unfit for the highest office in the land because … she’s violated multiple security laws … she put America’s national security at risk through her private email servers”
After all her crap, I don’t understand how she can still have clearance for access to any classified stuff at all. I have questions:
1) When she left SecState, did her security clearance(s) naturally expire, or does she get to keep those clearances for life?
2) If her clearances did expire, how does she get them back? Who is the guy, or what is his title, that actually signs off on the paper that says “HRC has top secret clearance now?”
It’s one level of outrage that she won’t be prosecuted for her security crimes, but it’s a whole ‘nother in-your-face insulting level of incredible corruption that she is _still_ allowed to handle classified stuff!
gp (0c542c) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:43 amBut… but… but Trump says he likes pussy!
No, he says he likes to grab it and take it by force. His defense is “So does Bill Clinton!”
Am I the only one who sees just how weak that is>
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:43 amhe’s definitely not one to beat around the bush
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:46 am“on exactly the schedule that the Clinton campaign most desires?”
Rick Ballard (b9de6e) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:47 amBeldar
This piece details Clinton’s methodology in directing propagandists. It’s Glen Greenwald pushing a Guccifer 2.0 ‘revelation’ so caveat lector applies but the media facilitator’s list certainly appears accurate (if somewhat incomplete).
@Kevin M:he says he likes to grab it and take it by force.
He was actually talking about what women “let” him do, so no. But the media has noted your uncritical acceptance of their line on this, and thanks you.
Your characterization makes as much sense as saying that Trump was boasting of planning to murder his supporters or Fifth Avenue.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:48 amRomneycare is cronyism
Good god, people are still saying idiotic crap like this. Just shows you that the Internet is not the teaching tool we always hoped it would be. “Romneycare” was passed by a 80% Democrat legislature over a number of Romney vetoes. All Romney did was try to lessen the damage.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:49 am#130 –
Absolutely the correct path – but do you really think any porgressives have any ethical or moral integrity to do the right thing. Remember it takes 2/3 vote in the senate. that will require 15-18 democrats to have an ethical and moral compass.
joe (debac0) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:50 amHe was actually talking about what women “let” him do…
So, they say “Donnie, please grab my pussy and push me up against the wall”?
Sounds more like he just does it and hope it works out, and if they scream or something, his detail pays them off.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:51 am@Kevin M:All Romney did was try to lessen the damage.
That’s my approach to this election, and I’m getting called “un-American” for it. Demosthenes needs to apply his own standards fairly and consistently.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:52 ampervy Mitt Romney failed completely and on purpose to raise obamacare as an issue in the campaign
he is of very poor character
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:54 am@kevin M:if they scream or something, his detail pays them off.
There are enough women willing to accommodate famous, rich or powerful men, that I doubt that he or Bill Clinton or even Bill Gates would ever need to resort to force or coercion.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:54 amBeware of those disgusting, rough types, Kev. Keep teh brutes penned up at least 50 yards from the portico at all times. You should have your fainting couch reupholstered in something a little more masculine, though.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:55 am@Kevin M: Look at Anthony Wiener. There were still women wanting to sext with him no matter how big a joke he became, because he’s famous. He’s probably doing that right now.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:56 amOkay, Col. H. I give up, you clearly won’t engage.
I’m going to assume the best, rather than the worst, from that. Enjoy the rest of the election, and tell yourself whatever makes you feel best along the way.
Beldar (fa637a) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:59 am@Kevin M: The accusations about Bill Clinton date back to when he was obscure. There’s been nothing like that for twenty years. Once he got famous, he didn’t need to do things like that anymore.
Maybe in the next three weeks we’ll see women lining up to accuse Trump of sexual assault but I don’t find it all that likely. Then again, Trump, so never say never. The only one I’ve seen close so far has said that even though she thought he was scary she thought she should “give this rich guy a chance” and went out with him any way.
Gabriel Hanna (4b5ebc) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:01 am“No, he says he likes to grab it and take it by force.” Is there a woman who’s making that charge? Has he committed an actual assault, or was he a celebrity making a boorish boast on a tawdry show in our sewer pop culture? Has he said anything half as bad as the filth that’s passed as sitcom comedy for the last couple of decades? Does he treat women worse than do the NFL players America is going to cheer today? Does he degrade women more than popular music does?
gp (0c542c) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:02 amThanks, Beldar, you do the same.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:06 amwhat we’ve learned is the diseased pig desperately wants people to talk about “p***y” instead of for reals issues
she’s very worried about a debate format where people might ask actual issue questions instead of the ones propaganda slut lester crowley was asking
i think that’s interesting
and kinda funny given that without her one she’d never have gotten anywheres near the nomination
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:06 am@ Gabriel Hanna, multiple (but especially #147):
I reached a conclusion about how you will vote based on what I have seen you say. Yet how you’ll vote has apparently not yet been determined. For that, I owe you an apology. I’m sorry.
That said…
Romney is not corrupt, or cronyist. Or, frankly, all that liberal — though he’s obviously not all that conservative either. He’s a traditional GOP blue-blood moderate, who tries to pose as what he thinks will get him elected. And if I refused to vote for him on that basis, I would have to refuse to vote for any elected office above dogcatcher. Nevertheless, he was manifestly fit to be president.
You’re closer on McCain. But the Senate Ethics Committee found during the Lincoln S&L investigation that he did not act improperly. And while I’m no friend to the Export-Import Bank, one vote does not make you a cronyist. You’d have a better argument from my perspective if you criticized him for the unconstitutional McCain-Feingold Act. While I would still say he is fit to be president, I won’t deny it’s a closer deal…and I would have said so at the time.
Demosthenes (09f714) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:11 amMy suspicion is that Trump likes women about as much as Liberace did and all these stories about his womanizing are made up by him, or by women paid by him such as Marla Maples. And the poetic justice of being hoist by this petard ….
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:13 amDoes ancestral geography explain Trump’s followers and opponents?
I’m English and Danish, so it works in my case.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:16 ampervy Mitt Romney and sleazy cowardly John McCain both spectacularly blew their chances to be president
but Mr. Trump’s cause is righteous and just
he knows our little country has to be saved from the crimes dysfunctions and molestations of that oozing stinkypig
he’s enduring this race with grace and integrity not for himself
but for you and me
and I love him for it
#StillWithHim
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:16 amSome peoples don’t like authoritarians.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:18 amgp (0c542c) — 10/9/2016 @ 9:43 am
Security clearances, I think, are a personal thing, and they don’t even go with the job unless maybe it goes with being an elected official sometimes.
The security investigations are basically a farce. Now if they were to approve everyone it wouldn’t look good, so they disapprove people based on criteria that are probably not really important for most people, like having a lot of debt (the idea being a person would be tempted to take money pr seek money from a foreign power)
They don’t end when someone leaves the job for which they required to get one. Maybe they have an expiration date.
Sandy Berger, who stole dicuments from the National Archives lost his security clearance, but it was negotiated so that should be only for a limited amount of time, so that he could get a job in a Hillary Clinton Administration if she had been elected in 2008. (they didn’t say that was teh reason but it was obvious to me)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Berger
I think afterwards he had a security clearance till the day he died. (that is useful for a lawyer or for a foreign policy adviser to Senator Hillary Clinton in her 2008 presidential campaign – he can be present at classified briefings of the candiidate should any occur and they would have had she won tghe nomination.
He was caught stealing copies – the copy that was intended for the 9/11 commission. But they had already been suspicipus of him.
That particular theft for wich he was caught was probably done to help him and Bill Clinton spin a fairy tale as to how they had prevented the Y2K Millenium bomb plot from succeeding by giving an alert. There was no such alert.
Other things he stole might have been not to invent imaginary acts against terrorism but to hide acts that got in the way of preventing 9/11, like perhaps the rejection of the offer by Sudan to turn over Osama bin Laden, which Bill Clinton spoke about before claiming later it was a mistake and such an offer never happened. Perhaps Sandy Berger stole the evidence. Also things that might have made Bill Clinton’s reversing himself about killing bin Laden look worse. Bill Clinton created a paper trail of wanting to kill bin Laden but probably never intended to do so.
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:22 amthat’s why we have to stop that pig
the noose of authoritarianism is nigh upon us
one state under pig
the corrupt bureaucracy
the corrupt courts
the corrupt military
the sleazy fbi to enforce her whims and edicts
and a propaganda slut media to chirp and burble her praises
there’s no coming back from that
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:23 amAnd so, the GOP will lurch forward, in Act IX of “There’s Nothing We Can Do” and lose, quite predictably, 60-40 to a candidate who makes no bones about locking them out of national politics forever through speech and electoral regulation.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:25 amnk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:13 am
No, I think it’s real but he deliberately overstated the case when talking with people like Howard Stern, Billy Bush and Bill Clinton.
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:27 amWell said but you are addressing the wrong audience. There is only one person who can say this to the American people and make it stick, but he’s too busy tweeting about beauty queens, talking about pussy and putting out all those verbal fires he started. He blew it.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:30 amNo, of course not. Party line vote at best. Many Republicans would side with Hillary. Hell, the GOP nominee donated to her presidential campaign.
So impeach her day one for one email. Day two for one other email. Keep it going.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:30 amAs we knew he would.
DRJ (15874d) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:30 amThanks, Sammy!
gp (0c542c) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:34 amMr. Trump’s already done us all a great and selfless service by exposing the corrupt pig-loving rot what’s infected the Republican party
#StillWithHim
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:35 amBig picture truth here.
They say failing teaches you how to succeed. I can only imagine how much Trump will know about success in the next two weeks of carefully timed recordings worse than this, victims real or not, tax returns, and probably some stuff much darker than any of us will imagine. Two weeks more of a carefully timed process for full impact on election day.
Boy Trump sure knows how to run the media, says Scott Adams.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:37 amSecurity clearances, I think, are a personal thing, and they don’t even go with the job unless maybe it goes with being an elected official sometimes.
It’s two-fold for most people. There is the status part — having passed the background checks, signed the forms, and been authorized to gain clearance — and the active state of that clearance, where you are working with such material for a sponsoring organization. In her case, since the original status was ex officio, it would be specified by the same statute that granted her the clearance. I suspect that she maintains the clearance afterwards to allow continued access to documents from her tenure and to advise when consulted. This may be revokable.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:38 amDonald Trump’s real behavior is, or was, not as bad as that of Bill Cosby or Bill Clinton or Arnold Schwarzenegger, but worse than Rudolph Giuliani or Isaac Asimov (who apparently would overpretend to be interested in many women he encountered, and never used degrading language/)
Now Mike Pence wants him to imitate Saint Augustine. I don’t think Donald Trump even understands what Mike Pence means.
A conference call by aul Ryan was postponesd till Mondday, after the debate to give Donald trump a chance to see if he can clear the air.
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:38 amHappyfeet is still with trump and says Romney is too pervy. I’m a proud critic of Romney and I have no idea where the notion he’s a pervert could come from. Happyfeet is proud of Trump and calls Mccain sleazy? Keating 5 is a pebble in the shoe of Trump’s sleaze.
Happyfeet, you take this satire of a crazed Trumpkin all the way, man.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:39 amThat still means he is not secure in his heterosexuality, Sammy.
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:40 am#StillWithHim
You misspelled #StuckOnStupid
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:40 amto the White House and beyond Mr. Dustin
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:40 amThat still means he is not secure in his heterosexuality, Sammy.
It means, like everything else, he has an emotional age of 12.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:41 amHillary should indeed invite Trump to the White House in gratitude for what he and every one of his primary voted have done for her.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:42 amKevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:38 am
But she wasn’t supposed to retain classified material. Her lawyers had a lower level of clearance but it was eventually determined that some of the material theyretained (on the grounds it would help her to answer questions in an inquiry) had a higher level of security than which they were ckeared for.
Everything was turned over to the FBI, except for one backup USB drive which they hid and claimed disappeared, and it’s still missing. Also a laptop was said to be lost in the mail. The FBI accepted these explanations.
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:42 amA conference call by Paul Ryan
If Ryan dumps Trump, Trump is dumped.
If Ryan doesn’t dump Trump, Ryan can kiss his future good-bye as he will be hated by both sides.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:44 amBut she wasn’t supposed to retain classified material.
This is certainly true. A security clearance only gives you ACCESS. Only a facility rated and authorized to hold classified material may do so, and only such classifications as authorized. This generally does not include home servers in bathrooms, laptop computers, briefcases or lawyers.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:48 ampaul ryan’s a skanky pig-loving pooter-poot
with super-hawt abs
if he had dumping superpowers he woulda done used em already
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:49 amNo sane person believes that Mitt Romney is not the most moral and least “pervy” person in American politics since George Washington. What you looking to do that requires an insanity defense, happyfeet? Don’t do it, it won’t work. Juries just don’t buy it, anymore.
nk (dbc370) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:50 am#StillWithHim
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:58 amKevin M (25bbee) — 10/8/2016 @ 7:23 pm
Is this from Dr. Seuss, somewhere?
This is not a 100% joke. People used to be able to do that. They used to mail children a little over 100 years ago.
It was cheaper than a train ticket. (Adults probably weighed too much or it just wass too strange to try.)
It didn’t happen all that many times, and the last ones were against postal regulations. In fact even the first ones weren’t really supposed to happen, and only happened because of very friendly post office workers, or postal workers close to the family.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/people/mailingchildren.asp
http://postalmuseumblog.si.edu/2013/02/very-special-deliveries.html
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/9/2016 @ 11:00 amKevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 10:25 am
No, she wants the Republican Party. What she wants to lock out of national politics forever is any alternative to the Republican Party, or any kind of insurgent campaign.
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/9/2016 @ 11:04 amOf course it’s Seuss. Google “will you please go now”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 10/9/2016 @ 11:14 amAnd I see the name Richard Nixon was once substituted in an Art Buchwald column that ran in the Washington Post on Tuesday,July 30, 1974 (and was syndicated)
Here’s a YouTube video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz4lZcDO7mg
I don’t think I saw hat Dr. Seusss book. It was not his last one. I think hislast one was You’re Only Old Once
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQEtUhjAgA
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/9/2016 @ 11:27 amJust went through a security clearance. They have to be renewed every 5 years. I hope to be retired by then because it was a real pain.
My understanding is that clearances are “owned” by the requesting employer or agency.
Article here talks about needing a “sponsor” in order to do consulting.
mark (8216a3) — 10/9/2016 @ 11:35 amhttps://news.clearancejobs.com/2011/07/25/independent-consulting-and-your-security-clearance/
https://news.clearancejobs.com/2014/05/31/will-security-clearance-transfer-next-job/
Different kinds of clearances have different renewal periods. It’s not really owned by the employer, unless your employer is the government organization that granted it, but it has to be connected to an employer. If you switch employers the new one has it transferred over.
Gerald A (a48c32) — 10/9/2016 @ 11:54 amillary Clinton had a security clearance. But for some reason, her clearance transferred over to her staffers who didn’t have that level of security clearance.
From what I understand, Jimmy Comey, Loretta Lynch, and Barack all say that’s totally cool.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/9/2016 @ 12:14 pmJames Comey’s a sleazy corrupt FBI flunky you can’t trust him
not sure about the others
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 12:17 pmAt least Tom Brady is back in the saddle today. All is well.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 10/9/2016 @ 12:53 pmI bet he didn’t kneel for the national anthem!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 12:17 pm
That;s right.
And then Mike Pence cites him as authririty for why Syrian refugees can’t be vetted!
Just what kind of vetting can’t you do with alleged syrians that you can do with people from Pakistan? You mean, rely on the government that they are citizens of to tell you things?
Sammy Finkelman (6e331b) — 10/9/2016 @ 2:48 pmyes yes but that’s Mr. Pence’s bad for not bringing me on as an advisor early on
happyfeet (28a91b) — 10/9/2016 @ 2:50 pm“194. No sane person believes that Mitt Romney is not the most moral and least “pervy” person in American politics since George Washington.”
And he lost the election, didn’t he.
You guys are so funny. Not funny ha-ha. Funny stupid.
Your schemes for how the RNC can dump Trump and manage to get someone else elected is just like the Birthers who think that f they can prove it, that Obama will be un-elected for the last 8 years.
Despite what you try so hard to believe, US Presidential elections are binary. Whoever gets 270 EVs wins. And the only two people who have a chance to get 270 are named Trump and Hillary.
The Republican candidate was decided in July at the convention. Do you think all your wailing will undo that?
“194. No sane person believes that Mitt Romney is not the most moral and least “pervy” person in American politics since George Washington.”
And he lost the election, didn’t he.
You guys are so funny. Not funny ha-ha. Funny stupid.
Your schemes for how the RNC can dump Trump and manage to get someone else elected is just like the Birthers who think that f they can prove it, that Obama will be un-elected for the last 8 years. “Ooh, ooh, electors this and ballots that and the Democrats will just stand down and let us have our way without even dreaming of tossing sticks in our spokes.”
Despite what you try so hard to believe, US Presidential elections are binary. Whoever gets 270 EVs wins. And the only two people who have a chance to get 270 are named Trump and Hillary.
The Republican candidate was decided in July at the convention. Do you think all your wailing will undo that?
The only person who stands between Hillary and the Oval Office is Donald Trump, and you are doing whatever you can to dump shit on him. Which, admittedly, isn’t much because let’s face it — nobody pays any attention to 2 dozen Monty Python retard-level posts on a blog. Whatever your plans and schemes are, only the 45 people who read this blog know them and none of them will have any effect.
If nevertrump anti-trump would have an effect, it would be from bigboys like NRO and WeeklyStandard, and they’d be lively places instead of the ghost towns they currently are.
Happyfeet is still the most cogent person on this blog. Although there is a lawyer or two that I would want to have as my attorney in court — but if I saw them having a beer in a bar I would leave and find another bar.
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 10/9/2016 @ 3:00 pmHappyfeet is still the most cogent person on this blog. Although there is a lawyer or two that I would want to have as my attorney in court — but if I saw them having a beer in a bar I would leave and find another bar.