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9/29/2016

Trump to Aides: Don’t Say I Lost the Debate!

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:15 am

There are only two options, and always only these two options: either The Leader won the game, or the game was rigged against The Leader.

Some of Trump’s aides have mistakenly concluded that there is a third option — that Donald Trump lost the debate because he didn’t prepare for it — and Trump is not happy about it. CNN:

Donald Trump is angry that his aides and advisers have conceded to reporters — largely without attribution — that the Republican nominee struggled in his first presidential debate.

In a conference call with surrogates Wednesday afternoon, Trump aides made clear the Republican nominee is upset that his allies publicly acknowledged they pushed him to change his preparation and tactics before his next bout with Hillary Clinton. And he wants them to stop it immediately.

The message was “not subtle,” a source familiar with the call said.

Trump wants his supporters to make an energetic defense of his performance and refuse to concede that he didn’t nail it.

Yes, but how do we know this call really happened? I’ll tell you. Trump’s people deny it happened. That’s how we know it really happened.

Trump campaign spokesman Jason Miller denied the account.

“The entire description of today’s call is completely false and anybody saying otherwise is just making it up,” he said.

Donald Trump’s campaign revolves around the idea that he will look you in the eye and tell you that what you know to be true, is not true. You know he tepidly supported the war in Iraq, maybe quibbling about the timing? No, Trump tells you, I was against it. That “publicist” John Miller who sounds just like Trump, speaks just like Trump, and is obviously Trump? No, Trump tells you, it wasn’t me.

Trump lost the debate and it looks like Hillary is getting a bounce in the polls? No, Trump tells you, I won the debate. Who are you going to believe, the evidence and your own good judgment, or the things that come out of my liehole?

In totalitarian states, there is no option for the game to be rigged against The Leader. The Leader simply always wins — end of story. Now, I’m not saying Trump is a totalitarian leader. I’m not saying that at all!

He’s not in office yet.

But I am saying this, while it’s still legal for me to say so:

Donald Trump lost the debate.

P.S. Also he sniffed a lot.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

137 Responses to “Trump to Aides: Don’t Say I Lost the Debate!”

  1. Have any actual evidence there hiss, this place used to care about such things.

    narciso (d1f714)

  2. Trump’s supporters are losing in the street too.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  3. I don’t think Trump lost the debate at all. I also would never, ever say I lost even if I did. That’s bloody chum for the media. All you’d see would be Hillary ads with Trump saying “I lost”. The fact that the media operative Lester “The Republican Molester” Holt I not get Trump to take his bate is a win. However, the fact that Klepto Klinton didn’t pass out or piss herself is also a win. I declare a draw.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  4. Holt I not get Trump to take his bate is a win.

    Brain fart: Holt did not get Trump to take the bait is a win.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  5. there is no actual evidence, he has a very narrow circle of supporters, conway wouldn’t leak, perhaps staypuft’s they need to put an apple in his mouth,

    narciso (d1f714)

  6. I Worked Hard For My Graft!
    —Ace

    The Washington Insider Power (Marriage of Economic Convenience) Couple who made $57.5 million while Hillary was Secretary of State and Bill was scooping up donations from countries and corporations with business before his (alleged) wife is claiming they worked so hard you guys for their graft…

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/366065.php

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  7. Patterico’s going all Trigglypuff on us now…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  8. I could’ve missed it, but was Patterico plussed – or nonplussed – about Lester Crowley’s professional, straight-down-the-middle approach?

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  9. this is how dr, evil and norma desmond, worked, there doesn’t appear to be a jones memo, this time around, you could bring up eichenwald’s latest scoop, because he’s never been wrong before,

    narciso (d1f714)

  10. He’s apparently a fan of empty platitudes, the kind Hillary Clinton should trademark.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  11. any real news you care to note,

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/tipsheetarchive/09-28-16/

    narciso (d1f714)

  12. Plenty of lawyers will be happy with no borders, higher taxes, no guns, no justice and no white middle class.

    mg (31009b)

  13. At least the “technician” ( read spy ) had a top secret clearance to handle her emails.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  14. seems like eichenwald, is doing a jason leopold, he has a copy of the check does he?

    narciso (d1f714)

  15. magic eighball would say no coronello,

    narciso (d1f714)

  16. 13.Plenty of lawyers will be happy with no borders, higher taxes, no guns, no justice and no white middle class.

    I thought that was the motto of the American Bar Ass’n, mg.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  17. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    — Edmund Burke

    Tell me more about greasing the skids for the Great Ascension…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  18. Apparently, Colonel, nowadays Burke is passé since people seem to believe being a neverTrumper and allowing the evil Klinton to ascend is a virtue. They see no evil in a second eight years of a Klinton after a disastrous eight of Hussein and all his “post racial” harmony.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  19. Rush just asked the question of who had to tell Trump he lost and whether there were any sharp objects in the room.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  20. Saw the Comey hearing on replay last night. He is not a good man.

    Matador (bf79e1)

  21. Trump is an evil man. Those worshiping at the altar of Trump are worshiping evil and sharting on Burke’s grave.

    John Hitchcock (2c6bce)

  22. eichenwald seems to be following fahrenhold’s rules, btw the ppp poll is +9 Democrat.

    narciso (d1f714)

  23. I don’t know how you find these links narciso but you are the best. Never stop.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  24. Lesser of two, Alfred.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  25. He’s a capitalist. She’s a Grifter.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  26. thanks the last came from a comment in the babalu blog, which noticed some ‘irregularities’ in the story, so we have apocryphal kvetching and at least two bowls of borsch, from reuters and ppp, which is thin gruel

    narciso (d1f714)

  27. meanwhile crickets, on this scam

    https://twitter.com/asamjulian/status/781302556333137925

    narciso (d1f714)

  28. i though the diseased pig did very poorly she has no substance

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  29. *thought* i mean

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  30. as I’ve stated before, I don’t entirely trust him, however I like evidence before the hanging that is so easy to gin up,

    the previous administration was so inmeshed with their rapprochement ala medianoche, that they allowed the shootdown of the btr, and backchanneled the stonewalling of helmsburton,

    narciso (d1f714)

  31. Trump will give d.c. hacks diarrhea and pink slips.
    Instead of botox and cash.

    mg (31009b)

  32. Moderation for what?

    mg (31009b)

  33. diarrhea ?

    mg (31009b)

  34. Trump will give d.c. hacks diarrhea and termination papers.
    Instead of botox and cash.

    mg (31009b)

  35. the following 2 words put me in moderation.

    mg (31009b)

  36. slip

    mg (31009b)

  37. as a general rule, I find invective counterproductive,

    narciso (d1f714)

  38. invective is no good

    but today mostly I’m just lovin that Trump

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  39. OK, we get it. You don’t like Trump. Prepare to welcome the new Clinton administration. Give it a rest already.

    champ (56cd04)

  40. it does seem if there is a large enough target, they go after people,

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-moore-in-trouble-for-cuba-trip/

    narciso (d1f714)

  41. How many times did Lester Holt butt in on Trump, to meekly ask Clinton for comment?

    “Any thoughts on the topic Madam Secretary?”

    ANSWER: Everytime Clinton scratched her nose [gave Holt the secret agreed upon signal].

    Watch the YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpjmN_hIkTQ

    How do you know it’s true (besides seeing it happen plain as day with your own eyes)?

    Because Hillary’s surrogates had the video pulled off the net.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  42. It seems reasonable for a candidate to insist that *his own staff* not say he lost the debate, in sort of the same way that it’s reasonable for my employer to insist that I not badmouth them in public.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  43. well there’s the prologue of previous anonymous staffers, badmouthing their client, putatively, and getting rewarded for that,

    narciso (d1f714)

  44. It’s common sense. You don’t bad-mouth your own guy. If you have something to say then say it to him or STFU.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  45. this is just the unsourced reporting of some propaganda slut on a cable news channel Mr. Hoagie

    grain of salt and et cetera

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  46. You’re acting more like a liberal every day.

    Bob23 (ce7fc3) — 9/29/2016 @ 10:55 am

    Yes, he’s acting more liberal by pointing out that a liberal lost a debate against another liberal.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (dd9551)

  47. Trump lost on the level of the obvious, but he may have won on another level by identifying HRC as the status quo candidate and himself as the change candidate.

    Charlie Davis (df08d0)

  48. This is a very important story, if you only have one story to tell today, this is the natural choice. Biggest news out there hands down. Bravo sir, bravo.

    Nevertrumpers, sailing the boat into the shoals out of spite, just like their hero, Buckley.

    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/william-f-buckley-a-case-study-in-narcissistic-personality-disorder/

    LBascom (c230be)

  49. i like Mr. Trump more and more every day

    he’s remarkable

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  50. Hillary has been both a failure and a criminal in public “service”, and above the law. There will be nothing and no one to check her as chief executive. Trump may be ridiculous, but he will not be able to act as Hillary will. She’s been out to limit free speech since 1998 at least, and she still sees it as a target.

    Checking her is more important than any disgust at his vulgarity or stupidity.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  51. the debate didn’t change any minds. clinton is still a moral degenerate war criminal. the debate winner is jill stein and gary johnson.

    debate winners (038133)

  52. i want a swirly cone and a white house free of pigstench

    you’d think i was asking for the moon

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  53. Ace’s 3 major reasons why “NO!!!” on Clinton

    1. The Supreme Court Shifts Unalterably to the Hard Left for a Generation.

    2. Obamacare Will Be Patched Up by an Illegal, Unauthorized Executive Action Slush Fund

    3. An Increase in the Tempo and Illegality of “Dear Colleague” Letters Issued by the Justice Department’s Office of Civil Rights.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/366089.php

    Colonel Haiku (aa1d82)

  54. Tough luck #nevertrump, no one undecided cares.

    Wiggle matching:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/23/20160927_LEHDB.jpg

    Two days and counting.

    DNF (ffe548)

  55. the game was rigged against The Leader.

    It was hugely rigged against Trump in a few different ways. Absolutely, categorically. And you are a flat-out hack if you can’t see it or won’t admit it.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  56. 56, Brief, to the point and seminal. So sad #nevertrump are not joiners.

    DNF (ffe548)

  57. Absolutely nothing but bad news for no energy wrong way witch thru October.

    DNF (ffe548)

  58. Meanwhile, Mario Draghi was in “robust” form yesterday telling Europe’s languid political classes about the need to do more in terms of structural reform – yada, yada, heard that one before – but also the need for other policies to boost recovery in Europe. Optimal fiscal policy? That’s an interesting call.

    The likelihood of banking embarrassment in Germany means his comments about banks being able to operate successfully in zero interest rate environments were particularly elucidating.

    Let’s see.. if interest rates are zero, then borrowers don’t pay any interest and can extend their loans indefinitely? Then banks can’t have any NPLs, and will therefore be absolutely default free?

    Suddenly I understand.

    Banks are enormously complex beasts. They are not simple businesses. To turn around a bank is complex. To reinvent a bank – which is what Deutsche Bank, UBS, CS, and others are desperately trying to do, is one level below impossible.

    Earlier this year we had commodities firm Glencore teeter on the edge of disaster. Swift action, clear plan, and it’s back from the brink. That is not going to happen with banks. In my 30 years of markets I can’t think of a single bank that’s got in trouble that has staged anything like a similar comeback. Once bank’s catch a cold, it often develops into dangerous pneumonia.

    Bank-to-bank overnight lending is struggling for air:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/28/20160928_basis2.jpg

    DNF (755a85)

  59. 64- to be fair, he only calls fat women fat…

    LBascom (c230be)

  60. Were you hatched from an egg, LBascom?

    Your mother is fat. Is that okay if I write that, because she’s only a woman?

    How about this, if you have any daughters or sisters: Your daughter/sister is a disgusting pig. Still okay?

    I feel very, very sorry for the people who have to tolerate you in your daily life.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  61. Gallup reports:

    One in five Americans believe it is best for the president to be from one political party and for Congress to be controlled by another, the lowest level of public support for divided government in Gallup’s 15-year trend. The remainder are evenly divided between those who favor one party controlling both the presidency and Congress (36%) and those saying it makes no difference how political power is allocated (36%).

    Americans’ current preference for one party controlling both the presidency and Congress is near the record high of 38% from four years ago. That fits with a pattern of heightened support for single-party control seen in the past two presidential election years. In 2004, the preferences were more evenly divided. These results are based on Gallup’s annual Governance poll, conducted Sept. 7-11.

    DNF (ffe548)

  62. 67. Defending buxom hard core porn stars, eh?

    DNF (ffe548)

  63. There are only two options, and always only these two options: either The Leader won the game, or the game was rigged against The Leader

    For JR:

    A win would end it.
    A loss keeps it a race.
    A tie is a win.

    His tie was blue.

    “One more peep outta you, weisenheimer, and I’ll butter your necktie.” -‘Harvey’ 1950

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  64. yo mama is fat and she got the zika all up in it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  65. 56. SarahW (3164f0) — 9/29/2016 @ 12:41 pm

    Hillary has been both a failure and a criminal in public “service”, and above the law. There will be nothing and no one to check her as chief executive. Trump may be ridiculous, but he will not be able to act as Hillary will. She’s been out to limit free speech since 1998 at least, and she still sees it as a target.

    Checking her is more important than any disgust at his vulgarity or stupidity.

    That’s very, very true, but there are some other problems with Trump besides vulgarity, which should be absolutely a non-factor in this election, and this really be emphasized enough, or even stupidity. You have to worry about him being evil.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  66. I wouldn’t say Trump is *evil*; I don’t know him and cannot infer that from his public behavior.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  67. remember to look past the reflection on the cave wall,

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/09/the-kabuki-theatre-of-presidential-debates/#comments

    narciso (d1f714)

  68. @ DNF (#69): No, I am defending human decency, something with which you and your preferred candidate are unacquainted.

    Do you really believe that you, and Trump, are admirable for ridiculing people based on their appearances? If so, would you please post a link to a photos of yourself, your mother, your wife if you have one, and all of your sisters and daughters if you have those?

    My God, it makes me feel dirtied to read this comments section. I think I’m about done with this nonsense until after the election.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  69. You too, hatefulfeet. Link to your photo please? Then we can all see “what you got up in you,” and ridicule you in babytalk.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  70. just to be clear, jenna jameson, was on romney’s side the last time around, but not as a victim but as a professional looking out for her investments, the post showed how alicia was a potted plant for quite sometime before this latest dustup,

    I think their analysis has some flaws but illustrates some issues of concern,

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/28/the-emerging-connections-between-the-muslim-brotherhood-and-never-trump/

    narciso (d1f714)

  71. I infer from what is known about her, that Clinton has a large evil streak in her,
    and I agree with SarahW that is why she should not be allowed the presidency.
    By their fruit shall you know them.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  72. why can’t he stay on the links and not remove all doubt,

    Obama responded, after thanking Houchins for her son’s service and praising Gold Star parents, “[T]he truth of the matter is is that this is an issue that has been sort of manufactured, because, there is no doubt, and I’ve said repeatedly, that, where we see terrorist organizations like al Qaeda or ISIL, they have perverted and distorted and tried to claim the mantle of Islam for an excuse for basically, barbarism and death. These are people who kill children, kill Muslims, take sex slaves. There’s no religious rationale that would justify in any way any of the things that they do. But, what I have been careful about, when I describe these issues, is to make sure that we do not lump these murderers into the billion Muslims that exist around the world, including in this country, who are peaceful, who are responsible, who, in this country, are fellow troops and police officers and firefighters and teachers and neighbors and friends. And what I learned from listening to some of these Muslim families, both in the United States and overseas, is that when you start calling these organizations Islamic terrorists, the way it’s heard, the way it’s received by our friends and allies around the world is that somehow Islam is terroristic, and that then makes them feel as if they’re under attack. In some cases, it makes it harder for us to get their cooperation in fighting terrorism. So, do I think that if somebody uses the phrase, ‘Islam terrorism,’ that it’s a huge deal, no. There is no doubt that these folks think, that — and claim that they’re speaking for Islam, but I don’t want to validate what they do.”

    narciso (d1f714)

  73. Wow, narciso your links at #78 and #80 really open up ore questions than answers to my mind.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  74. in fact it’s really not that surprising ms machado’s chosen profession, it’s the logical extension of the pitch first fluke then dunham were making during the campaign,

    narciso (d1f714)

  75. it’s an old story, rev, probably goes back as far as the senior philby aiding ibn saud in his takeover, backed by the indian office of the foreign office, who had historical reasons not to that very thing, to charlie wilson buddying up with hekmatyar, and other assorted members of the peshawar council, whose influence we’ve come to dread,

    narciso (d1f714)

  76. The Gallup analysis of their post-debate survey sure doesn’t provide any help for Sniffy staff charged with denying the obvious. I’m sure Sniffy will now attempt to actually prepare for the next debate to the full extent of his capability.

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  77. the problem outlined in the other link, is there are plenty of people we don’t want to have a security clearance, razorback gave them out like they were in crackerjack boxes, ie: monica lewinsky, a halfway decent skim of mssr snowden would likely had turned up red flags, from his time in geneva,

    narciso (d1f714)

  78. evidence that intelligent life is not a plurality is bountiful, sadly,

    narciso (d1f714)

  79. I think it is more than fair to call beauty pageant winner fat, if she puts on 35 lbs immediately after winning.
    The Beauty Queen signs a contract morals, weight etc and is usually expected to make personal appearances over the course of the following year. She won a contest that is primarily based on looks, so she is expected to maintain that throughout the course contract.

    It may be blunt to say, “hey, you are fat” but still haven’t heard independent substantiation of “Miss Piggy and Miss Housekeeping” but this all was 20 years ago when that wasn’t as big of a deal. (Note how Ms. Machado is a snowflake about being called fat 20 years ago, but when challenged about driving the get away car from a murder, she says “hey, that was 20 years ago)

    Trump saved her crown. He could have fired her and crowned Miss Runner up instead. Sure he used rough language on her during the rehabilitation of her image, but she is better off today than she would have been.

    By the way, how does wheel woman for a murder, baby momma of a cartel leader, etc get a passport?

    steveg (5508fb)

  80. Yes, Trump could have done better. So what. Obama could have done better in the first debate with Romney. Reagan in the first debate with Mondale.

    But instead of acknowledging it and moving on, we have the gleeful “Dump on Trump” hour from people who couldn’t muster a better candidate despite 8 years to look for one, and who seem to want to spend the next 4 groaning over Hillary.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  81. we really dodged a bullet, the first time around,

    http://canadafreepress.com/article/kerry-to-congress-if-you-dont-pass-tpp-that-will-be-bad-because-i-said-you

    I use it as a socratic exercise, thesis and antithesis,

    narciso (d1f714)

  82. you never go full greenhouse

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/29/obama-cabinet-official-says-its-a-good-thing-justice-scalia-died-video/

    who voted for this wonderful character?

    narciso (d1f714)

  83. it’s a social class thing Mr. Mudd

    nevertrumpers are almost all either some varietal of ivy league trash or they’re people who are quite convinced they’ve won acceptance into the ivy league trash set

    Mr. Trump is the antithesis of this sort of vapid social posturing

    the criminal stinkypig is the much-heralded epitome of this sort of vapid social posturing

    plus also the pig is a fashion icon

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  84. think of it as a caste system for a rapidly declining gutterstate with a remarkably faggy navy

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. Yes, Trump could have done better. So what. Obama could have done better in the first debate with Romney. Reagan in the first debate with Mondale.

    But instead of acknowledging it and moving on, we have the gleeful “Dump on Trump” hour from people who couldn’t muster a better candidate despite 8 years to look for one, and who seem to want to spend the next 4 groaning over Hillary.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82) — 9/29/2016 @ 4:12 pm

    The difference is when Obama and Reagan blew it in their first debates they “hit the books” hard in preparing for the second debate. Trump isn’t. And Trump doesn’t think he did bad at all, because just look at those yuge online poll numbers! When a candidate can’t face facts and wants everyone else to live in their fantasy world that is a problem. And ignoring the problem because “Hillary” is just enabling the bad behavior.

    Sean (1d5074)

  86. geez Beldar, no sense of humor?

    Yeah, like Trump, certain people find my bluntly speaking the truth unsettling. The ones that like to believe it’s raining when being pissed on.

    Hey, I’m a fat old man, go ahead, call me that, you won’t be the first and I’ll own it. It is what it is, I don’t try and kid myself.

    I do find it funny you call Trump a con man, evil, stupid, and every other name in the book, but calling a fat beauty queen fat is a horrible breach of decorum. Physician, heal thyself.

    LBascom (c230be)

  87. I do find it funny you call Trump a con man, evil, stupid, and every other name in the book, but calling a fat beauty queen fat is a horrible breach of decorum. Physician, heal thyself.

    LBascom (c230be) — 9/29/2016 @ 4:27 pm

    Last time I checked, Beldar isn’t running for President of the United States.

    Sean (1d5074)

  88. well she was an employee in breach of her contract yet she wasn’t let go, if memory serves. she’s a rather big distraction to the course of this nation’s fate,

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. I think of what we called each other growing up in Catholic School and lol at the thin skin attorneys bare.

    mg (31009b)

  90. well I’m of a different era, but I recall that a private school education didn’t prevent one from being an entitled punk, just a different kind than the ones you find in urban environs,

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. “But I believe that what was more important to Mrs. Clinton was control. Control of the information flow. The ability to smear those who would speak against them. And the ability to control the message.” http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/29/linda-tripp-reopens-vince-foster-filegate-travelgate-scandals/

    SarahW (3164f0)

  92. it’s like the lannisters, the targryns and co, against the starks, it’s not really a metaphor,

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. Scoring a presidential debate is entirely subjective.
    This is not like a football game where there’s a definitive scoreboard.
    Only illary supporters would insist that Team Trump must publicly admit “defeat” in the first debate.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  94. it’s more an empirical question, the supposed sources don’t even mention the particulars that should have been considered, it’s a closed loop,

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. I pointed out the link about the slants, because they had been mentioned before, also this court would just as likely vote down the first amendment, given it’s druthers,

    narciso (d1f714)

  96. In no known universe can a Clinton be consider a superior moral choice to Trump. But the Republican Never Trump crowd is beyond the pale.

    asdf (d28741)

  97. clearly the president of northwestern and st. louis universities concur, and that settle the issue,

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. Whenever someone says “triggered”, I can’t help but think of a gun, and become frightened. Why must these savages use such violent and threatening words?!

    LBascom (c230be)

  99. 76. “My God, it makes me feel dirtied to read this comments section.”

    You are most welcome.

    DNF (755a85)

  100. In their latest poll, released just two days ago, Reuters found Hillary to have a 6 point lead in a head-to-head contest with Trump. But, when you dig a little deeper you find that Reuters’ polling sample included 44% democrats and only 33% republicans. Which would be fine, of course, if it had any basis in reality. But, as The Pew Research Center points out very clearly (see table below), registered democrats represent about 33% of the electorate while republicans are 29%…a modest 4 point gap versus the 11 point advantage in the Reuters sample.

    Of course, this is significant because, as any reasonable person would expect, democrats swing toward Hillary by an overwhelming margin of 84% and, vice-versa, 78% of republicans swing toward Trump.

    Now, using Reuters’ data, Hillary supposedly has a 6-point lead over Trump. However, if we alter the sample data to reflect what Pew says is the real distribution of democrats versus republicans (i.e. 33% vs. 29%, respectively) and apply the same support levels by party affiliation it results in an 8.5% swing toward Trump who would have a 2.5% lead….very inconvenient.

    DNF (755a85)

  101. I think the ‘airing of grievance’ has gotten altogether too heated on both sides of the fence,

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. 112. At a time where the Federal pimp has run out of money to keep his salesforce in heels, jewels and dope.

    Lotta crying to be done.

    DNF (755a85)

  103. 122. The printing presses are about to run 24-7.

    mg (31009b)

  104. #117 narciso,

    He’s certainly got a lot of audacity, doesn’t he?
    I hope when he retires, he just disappears onto the golf course.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  105. it’s like his speeches are knockoff scripts from the west wing,

    narciso (d1f714)

  106. @76 My God, it makes me feel dirtied to read this comments section.

    Beldar sullied: his candidate crashed with a splash.

    “It’s not a crash. It’s a forced water landing.” Chesley Sullenberger [Tom Hanks] ‘Sully’ 2016

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  107. @123– The cast, sans Sheen [aka President Bartlett – gee, wonder why no Maudie stumpin’ from ‘Shakey’]- was pitching woo-know-who in Ohio today. A battleground state now in play. Desperately seeking losin’.

    “Talk to us…” Prez. Bartlett [Martin Sheen] ‘West Wing’ NBC TV

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  108. I think the ‘airing of grievance’ has gotten altogether too heated on both sides of the fence,

    narciso

    The soap box sustains too much weight, and the ballot box won’t give us what we need.

    That’s really disturbing. But yeah, everyone is really irritated with our political system.

    It’s too bad Trump is the sort of guy who cannot recognize and take responsibility for his conduct, be it failure at a debate or anything more sinister he’s done. Hillary has him beat on this fundamental trait. If anything she is more self aware than she should be, making her hyperparanoid and focused on avoiding scrutiny of things she would probably get away with if we knew all about it.

    It’s one reason Hillary wouldn’t be a disaster the way Trump would be. Hillary would be status quo (which is bad, sure).

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  109. she is more selfaware, that’s why she destroyed 13 different messaging platforms, that alone should have charged with obstruction, they convicted scooter libby with less, by losing the notes of the interrogator

    narciso (d1f714)

  110. I didn’t know it was stand up comedy audition,

    narciso (d1f714)

  111. so she left chris stevens choking on his own blood, and beaten unconscious because she cared for his welfare, she let the chagoury’s loot nigeria blind, because she loves the people of that tragic statelet,

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. 127. No forest ’cause trees.

    DNF (ffe548)

  113. 132. Ah, but it was the young Ambassador’s Messiah complex that brought himself to slaughter, meeting the Turkish envoy in No-Man’s-Land, over sending war surplus to enfante ISIL in Syria.

    Hillary stripping security to engender trust among the tribes, remaining incommunicado among her legions, had nothing to do with Mursi’s kidnapping effort.

    DNF (ffe548)

  114. well there are similarities to the shakespear, the british envoy to the rashidis who had a bad run of luck, I was stretching the cosmic string to it’s snapping point,

    narciso (d1f714)

  115. 135. It begs credulity to imagine anyone, e.g., Brennan, had the overarching view of the Benghazi intrigue. The WH gives evidence of playing America into surrender to the Iranians on no expertise whatever, just a stream of forward looking lies anticipating the reaction to its antecedent.

    How appropriate that our Adversary uses artless poseurs to con a nation into defeat.

    DNF (ffe548)

  116. This sort of credulity is maddeningly displayed by #nevertrump who swallows the camel and strains at the gnat.

    The antipathy directed at the emerging democratic selection to oppose manifest evil is regarded unworthy by idiots, dilettantes, pissants and prisses to be their leader.

    Don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

    DNF (ffe548)

  117. 102. “human decency”

    The mess that Ms. Machado is making of her life is not the object of our ridicule. Rather it is the preposterous notion that her employer is defective for noting same in relieving her of her position as a spokesmodel.

    Beldar, pretentious snowflake, aiding and abetting the enemy.

    DNF (ffe548)

  118. 134. In fact, it was Hillary’s initiative to establish the consulate in Benghazi. It was TFG’s strategic scheme to invest America’s future ME policy behind the Mursi-led Muslim Brotherhood.

    The attack in Benghazi enjoyed participation of Mursi lieutenants who together were assembled as the Turkish envoy departed.

    But proof of intent wanting, America turns its attention to trivia.

    DNF (ffe548)

  119. DNF (ffe548) — 9/29/2016 @ 7:05 pm

    Ah, but it was the young Ambassador’s Messiah complex that brought himself to slaughter, meeting the Turkish envoy in No-Man’s-Land, over sending war surplus to enfante ISIL in Syria.

    We don;t know who sent him right then that day to Benghazi. He was meeting the Turkish – really the local intelligence represenatative – so that the weapons should NOT get to the Syrian rebels. There were different Salafi groups, the islamic State of Iraq was really in exile there in Syria.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  120. One BIG LIE about Benghazi, repeatedly asserted by Democats as a known fact, never really quite stated by Hillary herself, is that she was a big friend of Christopher Stevens.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  121. I’ve dubbed it the appalachin conference, or if you wish, the legion of doom, aqap, aqim, ansars of various types and hues, combined their forces, sort of an autumn tryout for salafi,

    narciso (d1f714)

  122. DNF (ffe548) — 9/29/2016 @ 7:59 pm

    In fact, it was Hillary’s initiative to establish the consulate in Benghazi. It was TFG’s strategic scheme to invest America’s future ME policy behind the Mursi-led Muslim Brotherhood.

    That’s Russian propaganda.

    The attack in Benghazi enjoyed participation of Mursi lieutenants who together were assembled as the Turkish envoy departed. /blockquote> If the United States favored prganizations related to the Muslim Brotherhood, then why did they attack the United States and try to get it out of Benghazi?

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  123. 74. aphrael (e0cdc9) — 9/29/2016 @ 3:03 pm

    I wouldn’t say Trump is *evil*; I don’t know him and cannot infer that from his public behavior.

    I said *worry* about him being evil, because it isn’t sufficiently clear yet to definitely say.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  124. I think general hafter has proven a durable proxy for that corner of north africa, he’s a transitional figure from muammar loyalist to chadian pow, to rebel chieftain,

    narciso (d1f714)

  125. bob,

    That’s a classic example of projection.

    Whether or not Hillary did mishandle classified intel (and we all know she did) has nothing to do with whether or not Trump (and his fans like you) have the capacity to own their own misdeeds.

    You could have just admitted I was right about Trump, scored a point for honesty, and said you think Hillary is yet worse. But no. No slight against Trump can be acknowledged.

    Time to go vote in some more online polls, man.

    Dustin (ba94b2)


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