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9/28/2016

Media Darling Alicia Machado Has . . . Interesting Past

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:30 am

Big Media’s new anti-Trump hotness seems to have something of a checkered past. A past which includes accusations of threatening to kill a judge. Associated Press, February 5, 1998:

A Venezuela judge said Thursday a former Miss Universe threatened to kill him after he indicted her boyfriend for attempted murder.

Venezuelan beauty queen Alicia Machado threatened “to ruin my career as a judge and … kill me,” Judge Maximiliano Fuenmayor said on national television.

The 21-year-old Machado, who created an international stir in 1996 when she gained 35 pounds after being crowned Miss Universe, allegedly called the judge after he issued an arrest warrant Wednesday for Juan Rafael Rodriguez Regetti.

Rodriguez, 26, is accused of shooting and wounding his brother-in-law, Francisco Antonio Sbert Mousko, outside a church in Caracas last November where Sbert’s wife _ Rodriguez’s sister _ was being eulogizing.

Rodriguez apparently blamed Sbert for driving her to commit suicide.

The victim’s family accused Machado of driving the getaway car, but Fuenmayor has not indicted her, citing insufficient evidence. The judge said there were no witnesses to place Machado at the scene _ or to back up her claim she was home sick at the time.

She also has been accused of having a child with a cartel kingpin. When someone told authorities about all the top-level drug traffickers at her daughter’s baptism, it did not go well for that someone:

In 2010, the Mexican attorney general’s office said Machado was romantically involved and had a daughter with notorious drug lord, Jose Gerardo Alvarez Vazquez, also known as “El Indio.” The allegation came from a witness who testified the two were romantically linked, according to CNN.

This witness said El Indio and several other known drug-traffickers attended Machado’s daughter’s baptism in 2008. The witness — who went into protection soon after giving this testimony — was shot and killed at a cafe in Mexico City in 2009. Machado has since denied these reports, claiming her child’s father is a well-respected businessman.

Machado’s response when questioned about the getaway driver allegation: “I’m not a saint girl” — but that’s not important now. What’s important, she says, is that Donald Trump was rude to her.

Big Media will certainly agree.

[Cross-posted at RedState.]

250 Responses to “Media Darling Alicia Machado Has . . . Interesting Past”

  1. Which is funny considering that certain folks in the left social media have been trying to make Trump and “Legitimate Business” of NYC or Atlantic City connections. Which isn’t sticking to the die hard Trump fans. This sort of story won’t stick to die hard members of the Clintonista army.

    Charles (ab4016)

  2. Yeah, this isn’t going to work for Hillary!. Especially after Trump makes that commercial of her laughing about getting a child rapist that she knew was guilty (“he passed the polygraph” she says chuckling “which made me lose my faith in polygraphs”) off on what appears to be a misdemeanor by blaming his 12 year old victim for coming onto him.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  3. Machado said as Miss Universe, she was made to travel in a dog carrier that was strapped to the roof of Trump’s car.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  4. Machado said as Miss Universe, she was made to travel in a dog carrier that was strapped to the roof of Trump’s car.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9) — 9/28/2016 @ 8:51 am

    She’s lucky. Trump could have put the dog carrier on the top of his private jet.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  5. Sniffy didn’t have to hit the Big Butt lure when Shaky made her cast. Putting Big Butt through the public grinder appears to be doubling down on stupid. Again.

    I doubt the Saga of Big Butt will prove to be a decisive factor in 41 days but time spent on attacking Big Butt is time lost on casting light on Shaky hiding in the shadows.

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  6. Is she still in Venezuela? If she is and is still overweight, I hope she keeps her track shoes on.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  7. Hillary Clinton repeated her incessant lie last night that the criminal justice system is infected with “systemic racism.” Race “determines” how people are “treated in the criminal justice system,” she said. Blacks are “more likely [than whites] to be arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated” for “doing the same thing.” Such a dangerous falsehood, should Clinton act on it as president, would result not just in misguided policies but in the continued delegitimation of the criminal justice system. That delegitimation, with its attendant hostility and aggression toward police officers, has already produced the largest one-year surge in homicides in urban areas in nearly a half-century.

    #nevertrump feeding at the public trough hopes this gravy train burgeons.

    DNF (ffe548)

  8. Hillary Clinton is trying place Donald Trump into a stereotype that he doesn’t quite fit.

    The worse part of this stereotype is the idea that people like the way she’s trying to portray Donald Trump as being…actually exist. It’s actually an imaginary type of person she’s trying to make him out to be.

    Now it is a fair assumption that most of the incidents she’s talking about actually were wrong, but also that they didn’t take place quite the way she said they did, and for the reasons she said they did.

    I think it’s pretty clear, also, that Donald Trump likes to personally attack people and has no particular animus toward women. Or minorities. This is being misrepresented as more limited than it is.

    And there’s actually much wronger things to attack Donald Trump for – but she’s actually trying NOT to lower people’s opinions of Donald Trump too much – things are safer for her that way. The attacks are moderated, and she makes him no worse than her calculations tell her are necessary to win. I don’t know how many people notice this.

    She wants the person attackws to (at least eventually) acquiesce in the attack. She doesn’t want a too strong defense. She doesn’t want to make enemies. She doesn’t want someone to really go on the attack against her.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  9. Been to Venezuela a couple times, there’s a potential Miss Universe on nearly every street corner.

    DNF (ffe548)

  10. DNF @8 I think your quotation comes from here:

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/hillarys-debate-lies-14759.html

    This was written by Heather MacDonald who wrote the book The War on Cops.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  11. Beauty queens are willing to put themselves up for critique on symmetry, form, and fitness. Why shouldn’t it matter that she packed on very impressive amount of weight in a short time? Trump, IIRC, actually made a lot of excuses for her, and defended her.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  12. Among other things that have collapsed in Venezuela under Chavez and Maduro, is ordinary policing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Venezuela

    The country’s murder rate is also one of the highest in the world, with 82 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants.[3][4][5][6] In 2008, polls indicated that crime was the number one concern of voters.[7] According to Venezuela’s Prosecutor General’s Office, 98% of crimes in Venezuela do not result in prosecution.[8]

    It didn’t help that President Hugo Chavez freed thousands of violent prisoners some years back.

    By 1993, Venezuela’s murder rate stood at 21 homicides per 100,000 people… in four years, the murder rate had increased from 25 per 100,000 in 1999 to 44 per 100,000 in 2003.[40]…Venezuela is currently among the countries with the highest murder rates in the world.[42][43] Recently, the murder rate in Venezuela is the subject of some dispute according to the Associated Press, since Bolivarian government slowly denied access to homicide statistics.[44]

    A non-governmental organization known as the Venezuelan Violence Observatory (OVV), which collects crime data from seven different universities around the country, provides data of homicide rates in Venezuela.[42] The OVV puts the homicide rate for 2013 at approximately 79 per 100,000[42] and the murder rate in the capital Caracas at 122 per 100,000 residents.[6] In 2015, the OVV’s murder rate data showed an increase of the rate to 90 per 100,000 with an estimated 27,878 Venezuelans murdered adding up to nearly 20% of murders in the Latin American region

    This makes Venezuela worse than Detroit, or New Orleans before Katrina.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  13. not including the expanded Minnesota subsample taken from the PPD U.S. Presidential Election Daily Tracking Poll, a Gravis Marketing Poll released on Monday finds the race tied at 42% and another recent SurveyUSA Poll finds a six-point lead for Mrs. Clinton.
    “Minnesota is in play,” Larry Jacobs of the University of Minnesota Humphrey Institute, told Patch. “Trump is only six or seven points behind and has not campaigned actively in Minnesota, whereas Democrats are counting on Minnesota and have actually put some money in. So, I think these are surprising results.”

    The PPD U.S. Presidential Election Daily Tracking Poll conducted an expanded subsample of 771 likely voters in Minnesota from September 21 to September 23, which was weighted to reflect the above shift in demographics, found Mrs. Clinton leading Mr. Trump by just 2 points, 44% to 42%, with Gov. Gary Johnson getting 5% and Dr. Jill Stein 2%.

    Seven percent (7%) remain undecided, slightly higher than the national average.

    Further, Mr. Trump’s voters were far more loyal and committed (89%) than Mrs. Clinton’s voters (77%), presenting a real challenge even if they switch to third-party candidates. We are watching the state closely, will poll it nearly every week and adjust the state’s rating on the 2016 Presidential Election Projection Model when new data warrant a decision to do so.

    Until then, the once-deep blue state of Minnesota will remain a BATTLEGROUND.

    DNF (755a85)

  14. Evidently, Miss Machado is also a hard porn star.

    DNF (755a85)

  15. “Hillary Clinton is trying place Donald Trump into a stereotype that he doesn’t quite fit.”

    No, Shaky just applied the lessons of The Art of Baiting a Clueless Buffoon successfully for the second time. The Khan episode being the first. Sniffy can’t help himself and his organ grinders can’t control him. The complete lack of self control is a larger issue than the type of bait.

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  16. WTF. Her job as a beauty pageant queen was to appear appetizing to others. Not satisfy her own appetites.

    Double chinned today on ‘Today,‘ babbling in broken ‘Inquish,’ next to an absurdly anorexic Natalie Morales, JR appears to be 100% right. Ask the frog, too. ‘Miss Piggy’ will always be U.S. Prime. ‘Miss Universe’ is pork roll. [‘That’s quite a stab, from old flab…’Bob Hope, ‘Road To Hong Kong’, 1962]

    “Hey! Hey! It is NOT a beauty pageant! It is a scholarship program!” – Gracie Lou Freebush [Sandra Bullock] “Miss Congeniality,” 2000

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. “Evidently, Miss Machado is also a hard porn star.”

    – DNF

    I always suspected that zerohedge had that element to it.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  18. Let’s just say that the Clinton Campaign Oppo Research team blew it on this one.

    Skeptical Voter (1d5c8b)

  19. Mr. Trump is continuing to execute on his plan to beat that pig

    happyfeet (c27aef)

  20. Bob 23 @18. The Khan episode is where the Clinton campaign brought to the podium at the Democratic National convention the father of an officer killed in Iraq a dozen years ago at the time when the IUDs first started. His father has been making him into a hero who sacrificed his life, but what it was is he got all the other soldiers out of the way but didn’t really truly understand the risks of what could happen when a strange car drove up to the gate.

    The soldier who was killed and his father are Moslems so the idea was to show that Moslems could be loyal Americans in the fight against Islamic terror, and presumably most were. And it implied the question: “What is Trump doing being suspicious of Moslems?”

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  21. Now when it comes to Machado, the point that hit hardest at Trump – you could see – is that this woman says she’s not going to vote for him. So he said OK. he also wanted to know where they found thsi women [Detectives, detectives. Private detectives and maybe some police, criminal and legal connections]

    The Clinton campaign had a commercial prepared using her, but Trump didn’t know that.

    Hillary was going to make this problem with her into an exemplification of a horrid attitude toward all women.

    Here’s how it went:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/us/politics/transcript-debate.html?_r=1

    CLINTON: You know, he tried to switch from looks to stamina.

    But this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs, and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers, who has said…

    TRUMP: I never said that.

    CLINTON: …. women don’t deserve equal pay unless they do as good a job as men.

    TRUMP: I didn’t say that.

    CLINTON: And one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. He loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. And he called this woman “Miss Piggy.” Then he called her “Miss Housekeeping,” because she was Latina. Donald, she has a name.

    TRUMP: Where did you find this? Where did you find this?

    CLINTON: Her name is Alicia Machado.

    TRUMP: Where did you find this?

    CLINTON: And she has become a U.S. citizen, and you can bet…

    TRUMP: Oh, really?

    CLINTON: … she’s going to vote this November.

    TRUMP: OK, good. Let me just tell you…

    (APPLAUSE)

    HOLT: Mr. Trump, could we just take 10 seconds and then we ask the final question…

    TRUMP: You know, Hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials. Some of it’s said in entertainment. Some of it’s said — somebody who’s been very vicious to me, Rosie O’Donnell, I said very tough things to her, and I think everybody would agree that she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her.

    But you want to know the truth? I was going to say something…

    HOLT: Please very quickly.

    TRUMP: … extremely rough to Hillary, to her family, and I said to myself, “I can’t do it. I just can’t do it. It’s inappropriate. It’s not nice.” But she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, many of which are absolutely untrue. They’re untrue. And they’re misrepresentations.

    And I will tell you this, Lester: It’s not nice. And I don’t deserve that.

    He means he didn’t dserve this personal attack because he avoided one on Bill and Hillary. It’s all tit for tat with Trump.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  22. It’s all tit for tat with Trump.

    In this case, ‘tit for fat.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. Re: Khan affair:

    Survivors are often made into sources of moral authroity. The attack the man’s father made on Donald Trump, or the claim that there was Moslem hero in the Iraq war, somehow bothered Donald Trump, and he had to denigrate his parents in some way in order, in his mind, to stop them from being sources of moral authority.

    Now the father had spoken, but not the mother, and they usually like to put on mother’s of soldiers. So he said, having noticed she was there but had a head covering, maybe she wasn’t “allowed” to speak, meaning by religion, or possibly because her husband is her boss.

    It turns this is not really so – she spoke on other occasions. The father said she was (or would be) too overcome with emotion to speak to the convention, and that’s why she didn’t speak. And also I think that she’d told him to take politics out of his speech.

    Donald Trump could not acknowledge the basic point that there could be a loyal Muslim soldier who lost his life who was maybe even deserving of the Medal of Honor, or some other posthumous medal, and still argue that, neverthesless, the soldier’s father wasn’t right about whatever he was disputing with Donald Trump about.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  24. stinkypig stinks.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  25. The Machado story is only interesting in the context of the election insofar as it reveals something about Trump’s character.

    The fact that she has a checkered past is irrelevant to whether or not Trump’s rudeness to her says something revalatory about *him*.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  26. I love how the illary campaign is trying to find a woman who is so offended by Trump that she won’t vote for him.
    Especially considering Bill Clinton unzipped his fly in the presence of dozens of women not named illary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  27. > I think it’s pretty clear, also, that Donald Trump likes to personally attack people and has no particular animus toward women. Or minorities. This is being misrepresented as more limited than it is.

    I agree that it’s not particularly directed against any identifiable group. But that propensity to just be an asshole to people is one of the primary reasons I dislike the man, and it’s one of the reasons I don’t want him as head of state: if he’s President, he’ll be treating the rest of the world that way *in our name*, and there will be repercussions on all of our relationships.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  28. Principles arguments won’t get you anywhere with this bunch, aphrael. These are people who openly, loudly scoff at the idea of having principles beyond “winning.”

    Leviticus (43f828)

  29. i love him he’s powerful and rich

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  30. As opposed to the unifying strategy of the Obama Era. That’s one of the things I love about the Obama/Clinton years, aphrael, all the racial healing.

    Colonel Haiku (f292fa)

  31. But that propensity to just be an asshole to people is one of the primary reasons I dislike the man… he’ll be treating the rest of the world that way *in our name*, and there will be repercussions on all of our relationships.

    Pfft. Yeah. Tough love sucks. Sometimes it takes a real a-hole to kick a few lazy azzed butts and generate ‘repercussions’… like moving out of Uncle Sam’s basement and start making their own way through life, paying their share of the bills for a fricking change.

    ‘Aide: Sir! Patton’s taken Palmero! Monty: Damn!” — ‘Patton,’ 1970

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. I hope Mr Donald wins. I can’t imagine how badly things will go if stinkypig wins.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  33. 9. I meant:

    This is being misrepresented as less limited than it is

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  34. Colonel, The Barack has festered so much racial healing that there hasn’t been a race riot since last night!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  35. I have heard the story of Clinton defending the rapist, is there really a recording of it?
    That in an ad would have to be the equivalent of a multi warhead ICBM,
    Does Clinton have a MAD weapon in her arsenal??

    Maybe we could get a write in candidate after all…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  36. Trump needs to sit the clinton rape victims in the front row.

    mg (31009b)

  37. Oh, and that was very funny, AZ Bob, thanks.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  38. Principles arguments won’t get you anywhere with this bunch, aphrael. These are people who openly, loudly scoff at the idea of having principles beyond “winning.”

    Leviticus

    Stop sliming Hillary supporters.

    Richard Fernandez has a pretty good explanation.

    The strategy of “by any means necessary” appeals to the militants confident they possess the truth and are on the “right side of history.” For them the rules are made to be broken. They could cheat because history gave them license to. “By any means necessary is a translation of a phrase used by the French intellectual Jean-Paul Sartre in his play Dirty Hands. It entered the popular civil rights culture through a speech given by Malcolm X at the Organization of Afro-American Unity Founding Rally on June 28, 1964. It is generally considered to leave open all available tactics for the desired ends, including violence.”

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  39. @32.

    He’s white.
    He’s wealthy.
    He’s Presbyterian.
    He’s a successful capitalist.
    He’s got power.
    He’s got a pretty wife.
    He’s got lovely ex-wives.
    He’s got great kids.
    He’s got a big airplane.
    He’s got a helicopter.
    He’s got property.
    He’s got cash in his pockets.
    He’s got money in the bank.

    He’s got it all. In that shining city on a hill. He’s the quintessential Ugly American. And all real Americans enviously aspire to be and to have what he has.

    ‘Death Valley Days’ Reagan would be so, so proud.

    “Because you’re on television, dummy!” -Arthur Jensen [Ned Beatty] ‘Network’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. corrupt crybaby comey needs a tissue

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  41. illary would never accept winning at any cost.
    She’s too principled.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  42. He’s white.
    He’s wealthy.
    He’s Presbyterian.
    He’s a successful capitalist.
    He’s got power.
    He’s got a pretty wife.
    He’s got lovely ex-wives.
    He’s got great kids.
    He’s got a big airplane.
    He’s got a helicopter.
    He’s got property.
    He’s got cash in his pockets.
    He’s got money in the bank.

    An which of these attributes, if any, cause you angst DCSCA?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  43. Sorry, aphrael, my sympathies are much, much closer to home: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440382/white-working-class-deplorables-clingers-elites-obama-hillary-clinton

    Colonel Haiku (f985d9)

  44. @47. Cash in the pockets, of course.

    Loose change and folding green wear out the lining in those suit pockets. Better to keep plastic in the billfold.

    “The American Express card. Don’t steal home without it.” – Willie Mays Hayes [Wesley Snipes] ‘Major League’ 1989

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. I doubt very much Donald carries “loose change and folding green wear”. Hell, even I don’t and I’m no billionaire.* Aside of “He’s white” which is a happenstance of birth the rest are personal accomplishments and failures of life. We all have those to one level or another.

    *Driver license, health insurance card, two credit cards and two bank debit cards to access cash. But zero cash.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  46. Back in 1998, there was a functioning judicial system in Venezuela.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  47. Media Darling Alicia Machado Has . . . Interesting Past

    Dahling… isn’t that your face on Elmer’s Glue?

    “Stick it in your ear.” -‘Popeye’ Doyle [Gene Hackman] ‘The French Connection,’ 1971.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  48. “Media Darling Alicia Machado…”

    “Is moose and squirrel!” – Boris Badenov, ‘Rocky & Bullwinkle Show,’ 1959-64.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  49. 38. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/28/2016 @ 12:26 pm

    I have heard the story of Clinton defending the rapist, is there really a recording of it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4 It starts at about 1 minute and 15 seconds in. and doesn’t go to the finish. The quality is not good. She affects something of a southern accent

    I think there is video too. I saw it a bit of it somewhere (on TV I think.)

    Here is a story about this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akO1mCpg4w8 (the audio included is of better quality)

    Interview with the prosecutor http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/25/prosecutor-in-controversial-case-says-clinton-had-no-choice-but-to-defend-rapist/

    Fact Check org: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/

    Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  50. i think it’s good how people are stripping for the pig but i still don’t wanna vote for her

    I like Trump!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  51. 56.38. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/28/2016 @ 12:26 pm

    I have heard the story of Clinton defending the rapist, is there really a recording of it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4

    It starts at about 1 minute and 15 seconds in. And doesn’t go to the finish. The quality is not good. She affects something of a southern accent

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  52. Here is a story about this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akO1mCpg4w8 (the audio included is of better quality)

    Interview with the prosecutor http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/25/prosecutor-in-controversial-case-says-clinton-had-no-choice-but-to-defend-rapist/

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  53. he also wanted to know where they found thsi women [Detectives, detectives. Private detectives and maybe some police, criminal and legal connections]…

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/28/2016 @ 11:44 am

    Oh, come on, Sammy, you’re overthinking this. The Hillary! campaign didn’t need to go through all that. They just googled “Miss Venezuela 1996,” got her name, then rifled through Hillary!’s lesbian porn collection. And, bingo.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  54. Factcheck… perhaps. Snopes is far from an honest broker of anything.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  55. snopes is sleazy and corrupt like james comey

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  56. There are interviews of Juanita Broderick available on YouTube.

    One has excerpts included in some kind of report done by a reporter called Lisa ((NBC News’s Lisa Myers) in 1999. (Juanita Broderrick is actually aboiut 2 or 3 years older than Bill Clinton. The incident happened in 1978 when Bill Clinton was Attorney General of Arkansas but running for Goernor for the first time)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2n4JbgFqSs

    There’s a Fox News interview by Sean Hannity done circa 2007.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KZ8ICvutc0 Uploaded on Mar 27, 2007

    Juanita Broderick says that Hillary Clinton’s story about only believing Bill Clinton about Monica Lewisnky two days before Bill Clinton’s grand jury testimony in 1998 is unbelieveable.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  57. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/28/2016 @ 1:42 pm

    Oh, come on, Sammy, you’re overthinking this. The Hillary! campaign didn’t need to go through all that.

    The difficult part would have been finding out about the incident in the first place.

    They probably used more than Google.

    Then you might find out online something about where she is now. Finding her location and contacting her might also have required a dozen or more telephone calls, and maybe some lies and impersonation – maybe finding some friend of a friend.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  58. The most hurtful rape is what the msfm is doing to the tax-payers.

    mg (31009b)

  59. Meanwhile, since the price of pork is in play: Cruz offers to help Trump prep for next debate

    ….and the wife and the father remain oh so proud. [‘Where’s the beef?’-Clara Peller ‘Wendy’s’ TV ad, 1984]

    “Love For Sale.”– Cole Porter, 1930

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. @55 Bob23

    She should have gone with vote for Hillary or Madonna strips.

    Pinandpuller (b58302)

  61. 53. Bob23 (ce7fc3) — 9/28/2016 @ 1:18 pm

    A victory in the war against Political Correctness — Congress soundly overrules Obama’s veto on lawsuits against terrorist states.

    A 97-1 vote in the Senate is another form of political correctness. Only it’s really correct, this time.

    One thing: Relations between nations don’t have to be equal, especially surface equality, which ignores the characters of a government.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  62. Twitter rumors seem to indicate Sniffy is holding Conway responsible for Shaky violating some sort of oppo research agreement between the campaigns. If Shaky did so, it’s because she’s very confident of the ability of the media to shape whatever Sniffy dumps on her in her favor.

    A forty day bum fight in a pig sty lit by a dumpster fire seems an appropriate final act for the 2016 Presidential campaign

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  63. Why does Harry Reid hate Americans?

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  64. Yep, Ballard, followed by #NeverTrumpers falling to the ground, buns up, in a kneeling position…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  65. No, snopes is not an honest broker. This is how they lie:

    What’s not true: Hillary Clinton

    did not volunteer

    to be the defendant’s lawyer, she did not laugh about the case’s outcome

    She didn’t volunteer, but she wasn’t forced to take the case. She was asked and she agreed. And no one ever said she laughed about the outcome. She laughed because her client passed his polygraph. She laughed because she knew he was guilty as sin. Later.

    She did audibly laugh or chuckle at points, not about “knowing that the defendant was guilty”

    The dumb broad at snopes claims the audio is hard to hear. But you know what? The transcript on the screen isn’t hard to read. You can see the relevant part on the screen at the 1:37 mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4

    The Hillary Clinton Tapes

    He took a lie detector test! I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs [laughter].

    She’s laughing because she knew he was guilty, not innocent like he claimed, and still he beat the polygraph. Judging by the course of her life she probably asked the guy for tips on how to do it, and considered that payment enough.

    Also they include this quote.

    As Hillary Clinton said while looking back on the case during a 2014 interview for Mumsnet: “I had a professional duty to represent my client to the best of my ability, which I did. He later pled guilty to a lesser included offense. When you’re a lawyer you often don’t have the choice as to who you will represent.

    beginning at the 0:51 mark

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  66. Cruz offers to help Trump prep for next debate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8OoaQVABg8

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  67. The truth of the matter is if Hillary Clinton wasn’t being protected by the DOJ and the media, she’d be on the lam, and Bill Clinton would be on whatever was around at the time.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  68. Judging by the course of her life she probably asked the guy for tips on how to do it, and considered that payment enough.

    And no doubt when she came across William J Le Petomane Clinton, she was truly impressed at what a fantastic liar he was. Not that any of it rubbed of on her; she’s a TERRIBLE liar.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  69. To continue, beginning the 0:51 mark.

    …a prosecutor called me years ago, said that he had a guy who was accused of rape… and the guy wanted a woman lawyer… would I do it as a favor to him

    I left out the journalist’s intervening remarks. So yes, sometimes a lawyer doesn’t have a choice. But in this case, she did. She could have said no to doing this favor.

    And don’t forget, she did blame the 12 year old.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  70. Trumps blunt anti PC style is one of the things that his supporters like, and have got him this far this cycle.

    Remember when W. was so polite he wouldn’t even defend himself…that worked out really well

    Remember when McCain was so PC he forbade his campaign from even using Obama’s middle name…yeah, that worked out well.

    Remember the super polite, milk toast, uberweenie Romney sweet talked himself from inevitable to execrable in three months?

    Remember when all the conservatives were saying we can’t win because we are always trying to use Marquess of Queensberry rules in a streetfight? True then and true now.

    Unfortunately, the only time conservatives will streetfight now is against the street fighter trying to save their miserable asses, and his supporters, from a woman who will finish and forever seal the USA’s fundamental transformation into a globalist hellhole.

    If you nevertrumpers would gain an ounce of self awareness and instead of unleashing the very rhetoric you complain Trump uses on our enemies on him, and your fellow republicans that support him, and turn it on the democrats, maybe we could start moving the country back in the direction we on the right all want it to go. You may not like Trump, but he is our only and last hope; suicide is not a principle. Principles are not unbending iron that exist alone, they are ideals that must be prioritized with and against other principles. It’s a principle that you don’t kill, it’s a reality that in war you kill. We are at war.

    There was a great movie made illustrating this conflict of principle, Sergeant York. Go watch it and get your mind right.

    LBascom (c230be)

  71. If the 12yo is around and wants a bit of revenge, it would make that Romney-cancer ad look tame. OF course, all the feminists would say the little skank had it coming.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  72. If you nevertrumpers would gain an ounce of self awareness

    We have considerably more self-awareness than your candidate does (hint: a number you cannot divide by).

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  73. 31. Leviticus

    “These are people who openly, loudly scoff at the idea of having principles beyond “winning.””

    Its not nice to talk about the Clintons that way.

    champ (56cd04)

  74. First Lady Michelle Obama: “We need an adult in the White House.”

    =blink= Indeed.

    “On your feet, boy. Now!” — Officer Sam Wood [Warren Oates] ‘In The Heat Of The Night,’ 1967

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. > You may not like Trump, but he is our only and last hope

    One of the things that baffles me about statements like this is this: we know that Trump has been on both sides of most major issues. On what basis can anyone conclude that this time he’s telling the truth?

    You see him as your only and last hope; I see him as a con man taking advantage of your desperation.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  76. You may not like Trump, but he is our only and last hope

    Then we have already lost.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  77. The Democratic party hacks working in the propaganda wing of the DNC somehow got the idea in the empty little heads that if they call themselves “fact checkers we’ll all of a sudden think they’ve become non-partisans who are only interested in the truth.

    https://nextrepublicans.com/2016/09/26/politifaked-politifact-calls-sanders-true-trump-false-on-same-claims/

    …In his outreach to the black community, Trump has said that black youth unemployment is 59%. Over the summer, Socialist Bernie Sanders said the same unemployment was 51%. According to Polifact, Trump is Mostly False, while their favorite Comrade Bernie is mostly true. For Trump’s use of the SAME STATISTIC they say “Clearly, black youths have a harder time finding work than whites. But Trump exaggerates the issue through his misleading use of statistics.” For Bernie these scum sucking swine say “The statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information, so we rate it Mostly True.”…

    There links to “Politifact’s” “fact checking” for both Trump and Sanders at the above article. Here’s their “fact checking” on Sanders.

    …The statistic EPI used, known by the wonky shorthand U-6, is officially called a measure of “labor underutilization” rather than “unemployment.” EPI itself used the term “underemployment” in its research.

    …It’s a real statistic, but Sanders didn’t really describe it the correct way.

    “He should have been clearer,” said Tara Sinclair, a George Washington University economist. “But I think the overall scale is right. Both education and race are predictive of employment outcomes in the United States. A number of different studies show that even for the same levels of education, minorities appear to have worse average employment outcomes.”

    Our ruling

    Sanders said that for African-Americans between the ages of 17 and 20, “the real unemployment rate … is 51 percent.” His terminology was off, but the numbers he used check out, and his general point was correct — that in an apples-to-apples comparison, African-American youth have significantly worse prospects in the job market than either Hispanics or whites do. The statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information, so we rate it Mostly True.

    And their “fact checking on Trump:

    Tara Sinclair, an economist at George Washington University, offered a clue.

    Sinclair told us Trump’s percentage probably comes from a Bureau of Labor Statistics statistic called the “employment-population ratio.” This is a figure that gauges employed people, age 16 and older, as a percentage of the entire population of adults.

    In May, the bureau said the employment-population ratio for blacks ages 16 to 24 was 41.5 percent. Flipped over, that would mean that the unemployment ratio – although such a statistic is not published by the bureau – would be 58.5 percent. That’s pretty close to the 59 percent figure Trump cited, Sinclair noted.

    Our ruling

    Trump says the unemployment rate for black youths is 59 percent.

    The unemployment rate is a widely used term with a specific definition: It refers to the percentage of jobless people in the workforce who are actively seeking employment. In May, the unemployment rate for blacks ages 16 to 24 was 18.7 percent, or less than one-third of Trump’s claim.

    Trump’s campaign didn’t respond to our question about where the candidate got his 59 percent figure. But it appears likely it comes from a computation of all 16- to 24-year-old blacks who aren’t working and may not even want a job, including high school and college students.

    Clearly, black youths have a harder time finding work than whites. But Trump exaggerates the issue through his misleading use of statistics.

    We rate his statement Mostly False.

    Trump used the same statistic (u6) as Sanders (u3). He did not use the official unemployment rate for black youth, but then neither did Sanders. But it’s ok when the Democratic-Socialist does it. It’s a crime when the Republican does it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  78. Well, I admit it’s a tenuous hope…

    http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/putin-ups-the-ante/

    LBascom (c230be)

  79. That should have been:

    Trump used the same statistic (u6) as Sanders. He did not use the official unemployment rate (u3) for black youth, but then neither did Sanders. But it’s ok when the Democratic-Socialist does it. It’s a crime when the Republican does it.

    Steve57 (0b1dac)

  80. Don’t include me in your we, Kevin M.

    mg (31009b)

  81. @84- Truth? TRUTH?????????????? LOLOLOLOL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pfS5wjc2LA

    “If you want the truth, go to God, go to your gurus, go to yourselves. Because that’s the only place you’re going to fid any real truth. But, man, you’re never going to get any truth from us. We’ll tell you anything you want to hear; we lie like hell. We’ll tell you that, uh, Kojak always gets the killer, or that nobody ever gets cancer at Archie Bunker’s house, and no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don’t worry, just look at your watch; at the end of the hour he’s going to win. We’ll tell you any shit you want to hear. We deal in *illusions*, man! None of it is true! But you people sit there, day after day, night after night, all ages, colors, creeds… We’re all you know. You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here. You’re beginning to think that the tube is reality, and that your own lives are unreal. You do whatever the tube tells you! You dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube, you even *think* like the tube! This is mass madness, you maniacs! In God’s name, you people are the real thing! *WE* are the illusion! So turn off your television sets. Turn them off now. Turn them off right now. Turn them off and leave them off! Turn them off right in the middle of the sentence I’m speaking to you now! TURN THEM OFF… – Howard Beale [Peter Finch] ‘Network,’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. 92.@84- Truth? TRUTH?????????????? LOLOLOLOL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pfS5wjc2LA

    “If you want the truth, go to God, go to your gurus, go to yourselves. Because that’s the only place you’re going to find any real truth. But, man, you’re never going to get any truth from us. We’ll tell you anything you want to hear; we lie like hell. We’ll tell you that, uh, Kojak always gets the killer, or that nobody ever gets cancer at Archie Bunker’s house, and no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don’t worry, just look at your watch; at the end of the hour he’s going to win. We’ll tell you any sh-t you want to hear. We deal in illusions, man! None of it is true! But you people sit there, day after day, night after night, all ages, colors, creeds… We’re all you know. You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here. You’re beginning to think that the tube is reality, and that your own lives are unreal. You do whatever the tube tells you! You dress like the tube, you eat like the tube, you raise your children like the tube, you even think like the tube! This is mass madness, you maniacs! In God’s name, you people are the real thing! WE are the illusion! So turn off your television sets. Turn them off now. Turn them off right now. Turn them off and leave them off! Turn them off right in the middle of the sentence I’m speaking to you now! TURN THEM OFF… – Howard Beale [Peter Finch] ‘Network,’ 1976

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. Bob23: I agree with PJ O’Rourke on this one. She’s wrong within normal parameters.

    Voting for her is basically a vote for a continuation of the broad stream of post-cold-war politics, handled by someone who has no charisma but appears to have reasonable *legislative* skill. I don’t see her as being fundamentally different from either Obama or her husband. We have a reasonably good idea of what we’re getting with her, because we’ve seen it for three decades.

    Voting for Trump is voting for a wild card: an obvious con man who makes grandiose promises backed by nothing, and whose instincts appear to be those of a bully.

    I honestly expect a Trump administration to be the worst administration for civil liberties since Wilson’s, for example – while Clinton’s would be slightly worse than Obama’s has been.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  84. Network is about that generation, the ones that included cronkite and sevareid and smith, I imagine holden’s max schumacher, is the latter or perhaps huntley, finch’s beale, is one who
    has glimpsed the outside of the cave, in his madness, his delusion, chayevsky based on another broadcaster christine chubbuck, that’s first time I heard of it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  85. you mean like her attacks on the first amendment re citizens united, and the basselay case re benghazi, her preference for the australian option in terms of firearms confiscation, I don’t know what she’s planned for the 3rd amendment,

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. 20. Sorry, strictly soft porn, no sharing.

    DNF (755a85)

  87. wilson’s expansive view of executive power, was spelled out in his hopkins thesis, congressional government, which was a result of importing german progressivism into the american experiment,

    narciso (d1f714)

  88. Thanks all

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  89. Attacks on citizens united worry me less than a proclaimed desire to “open up the libel laws” (making it easier for public figures to sue the press), or hiring as a top advisor a man who has publically called on you to pressure the FCC to revoke a competitor’s license.

    Like I said: she’s wrong within normal parameters. He isn’t.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  90. This is about as good an article about what we can observe for certain about Clinton’s health,
    this, and no more do we have adequate data for
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/hillary_clintons_lyin_eyes_.html

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  91. 93. Time to move to Toronto then, target.

    DNF (755a85)

  92. My only disagreement, aphrael, is that she, too, is outside of normal parameters,
    she had a large section of the executive branch, including the president, and CENTCOM head,
    all using insecure email to help her hide her scandalous activity

    the rule of law has already been lost in this country, electing Clinton will accelerate it

    at least Trump will have people, lots of them, willing to oppose him

    I don’t know the future, so I don’t know which one would end up worse for the country and why/how

    I would like them to MAD with the skeletons and buried bodies,
    and a write in really have a chance,
    or that conservative guy who I think is on the ballot in some states
    it matters little what his policies are, it would be hard to be worse

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  93. DNF, at 103:

    > 93. Time to move to Toronto then, target.

    I’m really not sure what you’re saying here. Could you spell it out for me?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  94. mind she used the tools provided by maverick/feingold, the soros inspired incumbent protection act, but she availed herself of these as a public official,

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. 104. Trump is going to win by a sufficient margin as to obviate Democrat efforts to steal the election. It’s your nightmare.

    DNF (755a85)

  96. clearly there is a pattern in her public actions, her willing to conform with OIC blaspheme regulation about salafism, another suggestions re agw skeptics,

    narciso (d1f714)

  97. 108. I cannot even respect the position you rebut. Like TFG’s pet mutant piranha is within normal parameters.

    DNF (755a85)

  98. Don’t include me in your we, Kevin M.

    mg, you lost LONG ago. 1964 anyway.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  99. you mean like her attacks on the first amendment re citizens united

    Trump has attacked Citizens United.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  100. about the remedy, which didn’t really solve the problem, in fact it empowered zaphod and red queen to an ever greater degree,

    narciso (d1f714)

  101. whereas reasonable moves toward public safety are deemed shibboleth,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/298202-wsj-and-rudy-giuliani-lester-holts-fact-check-on-stop-and-frisk-was-dead-wrong/

    narciso (d1f714)

  102. The main difference between Trump and Hillary is that they would corrupt the government differently, and the short-term results might be more palatable under Trump, but the long-term damage might be worse.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  103. 111. I was all of 12 when AuH2O lost.

    DNF (755a85)

  104. The best argument for Trump I can see is:

    Trump is impeachable.
    A coup against Trump would be forgiven.
    and things of that sort.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  105. 115. By now you’d think Mr. M’s nether regions would be empty.

    DNF (755a85)

  106. I guess his air america gig didn’t work out, this was after he pretended to be some borderline radio talkshow

    narciso (d1f714)

  107. 115. Earth to M, “corrupt the government”? Been on the dark side of the moon this century?

    DNF (755a85)

  108. the daughter is a chip off the old block,

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/weiner-father-law-exposed/

    did I recollect she sees republicans as the enemy, not some foreign power

    narciso (d1f714)

  109. In the latest, and most dramatic – if perhaps entertaining – escalation of diplomacy between the US and Russian, earlier today Secretary of State John Kerry threatened to cut off all contacts with Moscow over Syria, unless Russian and Syrian government attacks on Aleppo end. Kerry issued the ultimatum in a Wednesday telephone call to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. Kerry told Lavrov the U.S. was preparing to “suspend U.S.-Russia bilateral engagement on Syria,” including on a proposed counterterrorism partnership, “unless Russia takes immediate steps to end the assault on Aleppo” and restore a cease-fire.

    Meanwhile, the Russian Foreign Ministry presented a different version of the call, which focused on Lavrov’s demand that the U.S. compel opposition forces to separate themselves from extremist groups. He told Kerry that many U.S.-backed groups have merged with the al-Qaida-linked Nusra Front and said Nusra was getting U.S. weaponry that way. He made no reference to the “ultimatum” showing how seriously Russia is taking it.

    DNF (755a85)

  110. I been wondering, why is no one talking about this:

    http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/09/28/frank-gaffney-obamas-attempt-slip-irreversible-internet-surrender-under-radar-three-days-fix-this/

    I mean granted, Trump calling a fat beauty queen fat two decades ago is an important issue that should be thoroughly investigated and proper punishments meted out, but it seems odd something else almost as important is completely ignored.

    Just curious…

    LBascom (c230be)

  111. It’s In His Kiss It’s In Her Eyes

    Does she tell the truth we want to know
    How can we tell if she’s not full of bull?
    Is it in her walk?
    Oh yeah! She needs a cane
    Does she suck Bill’s c*ck?
    Oh no! She will refrain
    If you want to know if she can go
    It’s in her eyes
    That’s where it is
    Oh yeah
    Or is it in her style?
    Oh no! She wears pantsuits
    In her stool or bile
    Oh no! That’s just FruitLoops
    If you want to know if she can go
    It’s in her eyes
    That’s where it is
    Whoa oh it’s in her eyes
    That’s where it is
    Whoa watch her and look real close
    Find out what you want to know
    If she’s fit and not gone bye-bye
    It’s there in her eyes
    How about the way she acts
    Oh no! They’re all that way
    And you’re not listenin’ to all I say
    If you wanna know if she can go
    It’s in her eyes
    That’s where it is
    Oh it’s in her eyes
    That’s where it is

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  112. Jay Vee told people of color last week that he will take it as a personal affront if they do not dutifully vote and Trump succeeds him.

    “Hillary Clinton’s campaign is in panic mode. Full panic mode,” said Leslie Wimes, a South Florida-based president of the Democratic African-American Women Caucus.

    “They have a big problem because they thought Obama and Michelle saying, ‘Hey, go vote for Hillary’ would do it. But it’s not enough,” Wimes said, explaining that too much of the black vote in Florida is anti-Trump, rather than pro-Clinton. “In the end, we don’t vote against somebody. We vote for somebody.”

    Affront is the least you have coming.

    DNF (755a85)

  113. even the chutzpah value has limited utility, btw the epa made another pair of sacrifices for the skydragon,

    narciso (d1f714)

  114. DNF, at 107: if Trump wins, it will be to the detriment of the country, and we will rue it.

    But I am not, and never have been, an “if so-and-so wins I’m leaving the country” drama queen; this is my home, and I’d much rather stay and fight to preserve what can be preserved in the wake of the Trumpian catastrophe than run like a coward to take shelter in someone else’s land.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  115. fine and when she’s deemed most opposition hate speech and called for gun registration what will you do then?

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. 129. “Drama Queen”. Right address, wrong street.

    DNF (755a85)

  117. 130. Re: “stay and fight”.

    Following 8 years of divisiveness, fighting will undoubtedly be our primary occupation for years.

    No more grease for the skids can be found.

    DNF (755a85)

  118. Total myopic disregard for the disastrous 8 years of the Obama era. Like it never happened and wanting moar!

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  119. sometimes it really does feel like they are using the blank magazines in ‘they live’ as a template, so the fbi lost track of rahami’s associates, but they know where in the world they are, they are confident in telling us he acted alone,

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. it’s like ground hog day, and they are stephen tobolowsky’s character.

    narciso (d1f714)

  121. The Pogo Principle… We have met the enemy and he is us.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  122. I was a wee lad when the watergate witchhunt was ongoing, my friend clarice can tell you the prosecutors were as irresponsible then, as they are now, the bureaucracy has been totally weaponized to prevent anything but a direct assault,

    narciso (d1f714)

  123. > when she’s deemed most opposition hate speech

    I don’t expect that to happen.

    I think it’s far more likely that Trump, with both houses of Congress behind him, will “open up libel law” in a way that allows opponents to be sued into oblivion.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  124. rip agnes nixon,

    narciso (d1f714)

  125. To illustrate how bad things are for Deutsche Bank, stock price at an all time low, sitting on $45 Trillion in CDS obligations, Turkey has expressed an interest in buying the bank.

    DNF (755a85)

  126. > Total myopic disregard for the disastrous 8 years of the Obama era

    I don’t think the last eight years have been “disastrous”; I think they’ve been “ok but less good than desired”. And I think that *most* of the things which made them “less good than desired” are the result of long-term economic trends that have been under development for the entirety of the post-cold-war era.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  127. honestly if you can’t read the writing on the wall, I don’t know what to tell you,

    narciso (d1f714)

  128. 138. OTOH, 2 million Federal employees hate his guts and will obstruct at every turn.

    Histrionic Princess.

    DNF (755a85)

  129. I can only conclude aphrael is very young and has never experienced what “not disastrous” was like.

    LBascom (c230be)

  130. 142. Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin

    DNF (755a85)

  131. LBascom @144: I’m 42. Maybe that’s ‘very young’.

    Narciso @142: that’s precisely how I feel about Trump; if you can’t read the writing on the wall, I don’t know what to tell you.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  132. 144. Fall of ’82, for instance.

    DNF (755a85)

  133. No, 42 is way too old to be that clueless…

    LBascom (c230be)

  134. a little older, but I do have a historical perspective,

    narciso (d1f714)

  135. DNF at 143: it’s histrionic to listen to Trump’s words about something like “opening up libel” and *be concerned that he might do what he says he wants to do*?

    I think Trump’s a con man, which means I think it’s unreasonable to believe any positive promises he makes; he might or might not deliver. But at the same time, I think it’s reasonable to think there’s a *risk* that he might do anything negative that he says he thinks we should do, and I see no reason to believe that the nominal Congressional leadership of his party would be able to successfully stand against him on that, or that they’d even try.

    On the other hand, you seem to think it’s reasonable to believe his positive promises and unreasonable to grant any credence to his negative suggestions. That strikes me as being a kind of hero-worship: a combination of belief that he’ll do what you want and belief that he won’t do what you don’t want … with nothing other than simple blind faith to back it up.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  136. This fellow will help you understand just what your standard of okay amounts to:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aG4cSui3zbs

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  137. 146. That’s Ok, you just continue focusing the way you “feel”.

    The fight will go easier for you.

    DNF (755a85)

  138. here’s a list of vapid nbc propaganda slut lester crowley’s appallingly insipid questions

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  139. Colonel Haiku,

    “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by KQTH-FM.”

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  140. Or this fellows take:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440382/white-working-class-deplorables-clingers-elites-obama-hillary-clinton

    Seriously… read this… I am curious to hear your thoughts about it.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  141. perhaps but we know exactly what she has wrought on three continents, you want to promote her based on that record,

    narciso (d1f714)

  142. *laugh*

    I’m choosing my phrasing carefully.

    What we’re experiencing right now is not, in fact, disastrous. It’s a barely muddling along mediocrity, with serious problems.

    Things could be much, much, much worse. We could have a rapidly shrinking GDP. We could have twenty percent of the adult population desperately wanting to find work but unable to find it. We could have hundreds of thousands of people homeless.

    Those would be disasters.

    What we have now is slower growth than historical average, combined with job creation which is insufficiently rapid to keep up with population growth, accompanied by a real lack of good economic prospects for non-college-educated working people. That isn’t good, but overall it’s a muddling along, rather than a catastrophe.

    (The catastrophe is coming, though: automation is going to take out the taxi and truck driving industries, and a huge chunk of the service sector as well).

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  143. I agree aphrael, that the last 8 years have not been disastrous if by that you mean “Jimmy Carter Style” disastrous.

    The problem is since the housing bubble we regular working people observe the rich elite being spoon fed our tax dollars till they ran out then they were replaced by simply making money out of thin air. The Fed ahs been dumping billions into banks while keeping interest rates so low the banks would rather put the cash into mutual funds than into consumer or business loans. So Klinton’s friends an family get richer and richer and we get screwed….again.

    We have the news media, Hollywood, TV stars and sport celebrities making ridiculous sums of money while the democrats contort themselves trying to figure out how to squeeze the next round of spending out of the middle class. And the way the above entertainers thanks us is by disrespecting our flag, our country and calling us “deplorables”.

    Our economy is lethargic and the only way to change that is to change who is in charge. When we observe big cities that have sunk into Somalia style conditions while having the same old same old democrats running them for decades and even entertain putting another democrat in the White House to me that’s a sign of insanity. Social, cultural and national insanity. Add to that allowing declared enemies immigration and convincing everybody that a man using a girls bath/locker room is a civil right instead of a psychological condition and we are going insane.

    The democrats got us here and they are woefully incapable of getting us out!

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  144. more to the point, she invited the homophobic sharia loving taliban booster father of the pulse massacre to that rally, shows contempt but not one but two constituencies

    narciso (d1f714)

  145. Narciso: I voted against her in 2008. I did not vote in the Democratic primary this year, and I urged my friends who were voting not to vote for her.

    It’s not so much that I want to promote her as I consider Trump to be so unacceptable that I’ll vote for whoever is most likely to defeat him. That happens to be her, but that’s contingent – my vote is anti-Trump, not pro-Hillary.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  146. 150. #nevertrump does not get that the ‘Deplorable’ is not worried about Trumps’s downside.

    Your cares are nothing but trash. We are worried about jobs, jihadis, monitors in our children’s bathrooms, living out our lives free from malicious suits and court orders, corruption and extortion by every bureaucrat who spies out our freedom in some harmless endeavor, on and on.

    Lawyers have bequeathed us a lawless Nation, where everyone lies all the time and robs us with impunity.

    Plainly we have noting to talk about, you and I.

    DNF (755a85)

  147. ironically she seemed the lesser evil in 2008,

    it’s quite possible we’ve run out of magic tricks, when this last round of musical chairs, has run it’s course, one doubts she has a clue as to what do since she doesn’t even acknowledge present realities,

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. vote for johnson, ‘the less harmful choice’ in your environs, he’s six ways wrong on the issues of liberty,

    narciso (d1f714)

  149. Colonel Haiku,

    The overt and gratuitous stereotyping of white working class people is wrong, and it predates the Obama era; I remember encountering such stereotyping *in the 1990s*.

    I completely agree that the lost ground among the white working class is a serious problem, and that it is worthy of liberal sympathy.

    It’s *absolutely* fair to call out liberals for maligning members of the white working class. Absolutely. There’s a real problem among liberal coastal urbanites, this tremendous disdain for working class rural midcountry white people; it’s *not ok* and it’s *every bit as evil* as the racism we like to castigate.

    Many political allies are just *wrong* on this, full stop.

    And at the same time, some of the specific criticisms in that article are problematic.

    This one really gets to me.

    > “Typical” (along with “they” and “them”) is a favorite stereotyping adjective of Obama’s and reappeared recently during his Laos trip, when he blasted Americans as racist: “Typically, when people feel stressed, they turn on others who don’t look like them.”

    I wouldn’t phrase it quite the way Obama did, but … yeah, it’s true that when people are stressed, *we* tend to reflexively retreat into insider-groups and turn on the outsider-group. It’s a normal part of human nature to do this. So observing that people do it isn’t blasting them as racist; it’s acknowleding that humans often have less than desirable responses.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  150. DNF:

    I’m confused.

    You are worried, in part, about “living out our lives free from malicious suits and court orders”.

    I am worried about an attempt to open up libel law to make it easier for a public figure to maliciously sue someone who criticizes them.

    You think my cares are nothing but trash.

    IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, I don’t understand. It seems like what I’m expressing concern about is, in fact, something that you say you’re concerned about.

    ——-

    > #nevertrump does not get that the ‘Deplorable’ is not worried about Trumps’s downside.

    I’m not quite sure how to respond to that, because I’ve never actually used the word ‘deplorable’, and because I don’t understand who you are referring to when you say that.

    That said, I’ll try. It *looks to me* like you’re using ‘deplorable’ as a synonym for ‘hardcore trump supporters’ using the same type of insult-repossession that might lead a gay rights activist to proudly proclaim himself a ‘f****t’. (word asterisked out because otherwise i might get trapped in the spam filter).

    Assuming that I’m right about your usage, my response is:

    I don’t speak for #nevertrump in this regard; I speak for myself. I understand that a lot of Trump’s supporters aren’t worried about Trump’s downside. I expect that if Trump is elected, in a decade or so they’ll realize they were wrong to not be worried about Trump’s downside.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  151. Narciso: voting third party is, in essence, abstaining. It would be saying that I refuse to choose between Trump and Clinton and so I will let someone else make the choice for me.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  152. he’s been doing this for 8-10 years now, I don’t give him the benefit of the doubt, the party has totally written off working class whites, in lieu of indoctrinated aspiring white collar indoctrination product, of course the templates they are inculcated with prevent consideration of any alternate view of the current environment,

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. I have reservations about him, somewhere between kevin and ballard, however the reality is this round of ‘global themonuclear war’ will go on regardless, I was outvoted in the primary this time as in the two previous instances.

    narciso (d1f714)

  154. Aphrael, do you think the leaders of other nations typically criticize their people when in other countries? Or, worse still, make a habit of it?

    Colonel Haiku (aa1d82)

  155. aphrael,

    As a liberal, when have you ever been concerned about the “downside” of policies? There’s nothing but downside to liberal policies.
    I mean, do you stay up at night worrying about Syria, Libya, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, China’s incursions into the seas near its neighbors?

    Come on, man.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  156. “Typically, when people feel stressed, they turn on others who don’t look like them.”

    I wouldn’t phrase it quite the way Obama did, but … yeah, it’s true that when people are stressed, *we* tend to reflexively retreat into insider-groups and turn on the outsider-group. It’s a normal part of human nature to do this. So observing that people do it isn’t blasting them as racist; it’s acknowleding that humans often have less than desirable responses.

    Oddly, when we used to get “stressed” we did tend to retreat into an insider group. We would huddle together, gather our collective strength and call ourselves “Americans” and push our group forward. We can no longer do that since patriotism is now synonymous with racism and we are no longer “Americans” in Obama’s country we are white, black, Hispanic, straight, gay, 50 other “genders”, rich or whatever. Just NOT Americans. Millionaire footballers disrespecting the country are what Obama’s America is.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  157. Likewise, I have reservations about Clinton; I don’t think she has the imagination or the political courage to look for and implement solutions to the economy’s long term problems. She’s a *caretaker* at best – an incrementalist who is unwilling or unable to challenge the fundamental assumptions of the post-cold-war economic order her husband helped create. I think there are real challenges coming that she’s not really equipped to handle.

    But Trump isn’t equipped to handle them anyway, and while I trust her to come up with a mediocre split-the-baby approach that merely postpones the day of real solutions, I don’t trust him to do anything other than make it substantially worse while claiming to be making it better.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  158. Cruz Supporter – I worry about the downside of policies *frequently*. Both liberal policies and conservative policies. I think the law of unintended consequences is a real thing and we should be more cognizant of it.

    That said, mostly when I stay up at night worrying, I’m worrying about personal things – relationship problems, work stress, and the like. I think that’s fairly normal. :)

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  159. that’s an assumption, why do you think she’s a caretaker, except in the example of the overlook motel, she wants to cancel fracking, as a sacrifice to the skydragon, that’s one of the few things which have generally out of their control,

    narciso (d1f714)

  160. Colonel Haiku – I don’t know. I imagine some do and some don’t.

    But, assuming you’re talking about the Laos-related quote I posted, I don’t think that’s a fair characterization, at least not of the part quoted in VDH’s article.

    “Typically, when people feel stressed, they turn on others who don’t look like them.”

    That isn’t bounded on Americans. It’s not a comment about “the American people”, it’s a comment about “people”.

    Maybe there’s more surrounding context which VDH didn’t include in his article.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  161. her complaint against citizens united is hollow, yet that is among her top priorities, deindustrialization is indeed a concern, yet she will do nothing but exacerbate it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  162. Rev. Hoagie – while there’s something to that, I also think there’s a degree to which members of minority groups *never felt fully included as Americans*. Which is to say: the black man and the gay man have historically been part of the out-group, even during such rallying; and it seems reasonable for us (I meet one of those criteria) to want to be considered as part of the in-group as the straight man and the white man.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  163. Narciso – I’m saying that the best-case scenario for a Clinton presidency is as a caretaker, twiddling the dials of the machine of the post-cold-war economic order. She’s not going to build a new economic order or tear down the existing one. There’s nothing in her proposals which suggests that, there’s nothing in her history which suggests that, and if she’s as corrupt as it appears, then certainly her debt to the people she’s done business with would prevent that.

    A big part of Trump’s appeal on some level is that he promises to tear down the post-cold-war economic order and replace it with … something. that will be ‘better’. believe him.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  164. and he keeps rubbing the wound, and pouring carbolic acid into it, because that’s what community agitators do, they don’t fix any problem, they just prevent any actual solutions,

    narciso (d1f714)

  165. perhaps such sentiments would still go on, if they weren’t fanned 24/7

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/298262-detroit-man-threatened-to-bomb-murdered-police-sgts-funeral-at-church/

    narciso (d1f714)

  166. it’s more about politically acceptable templates, rather than facts,

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-iraq-1475077154?mod=e2two

    robin has outlined the underpinning of these transformational networks at invisible serf’s collar,

    narciso (d1f714)

  167. @95.Network is about that generation…

    On the contrary. It remains hauntingly prescient. A satire then; a reality now.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  168. there are certain resonances, ubs could be fox but just as easily cnn, msnbc is too ludicrous to have envisaged except after altered states,

    narciso (d1f714)

  169. aphrael,

    Clinton has demonstrated a greater contempt for law coupled with with much deeper links to the permanent government than Trump could ever dream of. They are both amoral, unprincipled, unethical scum and voting for one to prevent the other due to a lesser evil argument is an exercise in very weak sophistry.

    Your willingness to actually vote for scum has responsibility attached when she proves the depth of her quite obvious utter corruption.

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  170. can we stop with the improvisional weirdness,

    http://circa.com/politics/mary-j-blige-hillary-clinton

    narciso (d1f714)

  171. aphrael,

    It doesn’t sound like you share the same sense of urgency about the economy, about race relations, or even about the world being set on fire.
    We want solutions — not a caretaker.

    As a liberal, you may be satisfied with the chaos and the status quo, but I’m not.

    I want change. I want hope.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  172. Problem is, Trump offers slogans, cliches, and fantasies, not solutions.

    Kishnevi (a77570)

  173. well some of his advisors like moore, sessions flynn have promise, roger stone still kind of unsettles me in his without portfolio role,

    narciso (d1f714)

  174. #187 Kishnevi,

    I would rather have Trump’s non-solutions than illary’s non-solutions.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  175. aphrael,
    I am surprised that you see Clinton as merely a “caretaker”.
    I don’t see her as a “caretaker” in the State Dept.
    Did she not corrupt the entire Dept, as well as the office of the president and CENTCOM, by setting up an email system to thwart FOIA, even at the obvious risk to national security, so she could be unaccountable for her actions, both public and private?
    That enough should put her in jail, but she corrupted the DOJ and FBI as well (if they had not been corrupted already) because to find her guilty of crime would have put Obama as an accessory.
    Is this not undeniably true?
    She made bad policy concerning Libya, Egypt, Syria, Russia, Iraq, and Iran,
    did she not?
    She lied to the public repeatedly for political partisan gain,
    did she not?
    She continues to stoke the flames of racial animosity that will result in greater harm primarily to inner city African American populations,
    does she not?

    The rule of law has already been lost at the highest levels of our government. Electing Clinton will bring a continuation of near-dictatorial tyranny to our nation.

    I agree Trump is a con man, not to be trusted. Perhaps you see Clinton as a Tyrant you can live with, and Trump a tyrant you cannot.
    No matter how bad Trump is, I am confident he will have more opposition to slow him down than Clinton will.

    Clinton will continue the “fundamental transformation of America” accelerated under Obama. If that is what you want, fine,
    but that is in no way “caretaking”, it is advancing the destruction of what once was the United States of America, terribly flawed, though it may be, it was at least in theory founded upon the principle that people had rights by virtue of their humanity and the order inherent in the universe,
    not dependent on the whims of a few in the oligarchy of the Supreme Court and high ranking officials, some not even elected, in the Executive Branch.

    I am not sure when the date and time of death will be determined, but we may have already passed it. I’m guessing one of these days I may just end up homeless or in jail because I believe what Obama said he believed 8 years ago.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  176. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI5hrcwU7Dk

    “There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today…

    We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale.

    The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale…” Arthur Jensen [Ned Betty] ‘Network,’ 1976

    WW2 ended over 71 years ago. The Cold War ended a quarter century ago. Yet much of the American mindset and culture- particularly in the bowels of government and Rustbelt bars- remains stuck– or cling- to a time long over, when only the American colossus strode the world.

    Capitalists adapted their corporations accordingly. And one running for president knows it’s sucker bait to peddle that soft, cozy myth to win favor- and votes. He knows his market. He understands his target audience. It’s a good business plan.

    Yeah. Build that wall.

    “Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet!” -Chevy ad campaign, 1970’s

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  177. There is no status quo.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  178. She’s a *caretaker* at best – an incrementalist who is unwilling or unable to challenge the fundamental assumptions of the post-cold-war economic order her husband helped create. I think there are real challenges coming that she’s not really equipped to handle.

    But Trump isn’t equipped to handle them anyway, and while I trust her to come up with a mediocre split-the-baby approach that merely postpones the day of real solutions, I don’t trust him to do anything other than make it substantially worse while claiming to be making it better.

    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 9/28/2016 @ 6:05 pm

    Narciso – I’m saying that the best-case scenario for a Clinton presidency is as a caretaker, twiddling the dials of the machine of the post-cold-war economic order. She’s not going to build a new economic order or tear down the existing one. There’s nothing in her proposals which suggests that, there’s nothing in her history which suggests that, and if she’s as corrupt as it appears, then certainly her debt to the people she’s done business with would prevent that.

    A big part of Trump’s appeal on some level is that he promises to tear down the post-cold-war economic order and replace it with … something. that will be ‘better’. believe him.

    aphrael (e0cdc9) — 9/28/2016 @ 6:13 pm

    What are the fundamental assumptions of the post-cold-war economic order? What would building a new economic order consist of? Is it possible to tear down the existing one without building a new one? What would that consist of?

    If you think the post-cold-war economic order consists of importing cheap labor and cheap manufactured goods, I guess he is promising to tear that down. I don’t know about labeling those policies as some kind of “economic order” and I don’t think that’s what you mean. Your opinions are almost always couched in these vague abstractions, metaphors and reifications.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  179. @184- More like clones. Start with Sybil the Soothsayer.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  180. Caretaker? More like an undertaker…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  181. well chayevsky elided the difference between east and west, as the anchors today, pretend salafism doesn’t challenge the west’s predominance, corporations are not in and off themselves neutral, but part of the liberal order on too many issues,

    narciso (d1f714)

  182. Economic considerations are not the fundamental issue of humanity,
    but economic considerations can be the fundamental basis for tyranny.
    One cannot be free if one has no economic freedom,
    unless it is the freedom to die in protest.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  183. the last 25 years, have shown they have little wisdom to show us, the bush/clinton codominium agree more than they disagree, ‘the center cannot hold’ because it doesn’t stand for anything real,

    narciso (d1f714)

  184. So…
    James Comey asks Congress to stop calling him and his colleagues “weasels”.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  185. #10 ” there’s a potential Miss Universe on nearly every street corner”

    That may be. My opening offer was one roll of Charmin and a chicken to be named later. She called me a fat yanqui pig (hey my BMI is only high because I power lift) so I sweetened the offer with 1L of diesel and after brief hesitation, she went for a 1 for 1 condom replacement.
    At this point my career as a beauty queen scout took a turn for the worse. Driving high speed in a Lada away from a murder scene with her pimp, porn scenes where a woman hacks the email servers of a muslim concubine and a pantsuited harridan and then adds Anthony Weiner and goes foursome… I filled pigs bladders with air and floated into Guyana just to regain sanity.

    The true sad story is that after being told to lose 35 lbs, this woman had to turn to porn in order to soothe the demons unleashed by Trump

    steveg (5508fb)

  186. 200… Comey doesn’t cotton to weasel, how about stoat?

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  187. #200

    Huh
    Guess I had the wrong man

    steveg (5508fb)

  188. I think both as well as marmots would sue for defamation,

    narciso (d1f714)

  189. The look of lose
    Is in her eyes
    A look her smile can’t
    disguise

    The look of lose
    Is saying so much more than
    Just words could ever say
    Those Crazy Eddie eyes
    Well they take the breath away

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  190. @198. Don’t over-think it, Narciso. I worked at one of the networks in NY in the 80s as those loss-leader news divisions were pressured to become profit centers for real when the media firms were bought and sold by conglomerates. The most startling thing I encountered in day to day work were people who were exactly like the characters portrayed in that film. It was uncanny. And it remains the most satirically accurate portrayal of how the business operates. Especially as the transition by network suits to turn news divisions into profit centers was ramped up. For instance, sports is entertainment. And Roone Arledge was put in charge of ABC News to do for it what he did for ABC Sports– make it a moneymaker. Hard news journalists had kittens over that as budgets cuts and ratings pressures poisoned their well. What next, Howard Cosell reporting from the White House lawn? Shades of Woody Allen’s ‘Bananas.’ News and entertainment are one in the same today. Paddy was spot on. ‘And now, a few scenes from next week’s show… fade to black.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  191. I don’t think they could recognize hard news if it hit them in the face, hence safe spaces, the puerile sentiments of the court jesters like maher and camelbert don’t really qualify as commentary either, history economics religion, they haven’t any understanding, and they are proud of it,

    narciso (d1f714)

  192. The recurrent question, does the head of NU really believe that stuff? Has there been an infestation of those brain leechy things from the Star Trek movie??

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  193. I want a safe space from people who talk about microaggressions…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  194. I confess to knowing little about hardball politics, but I had always assumed that if Roger Stone called Robbie Mook and said: “Hey Robbie, you gotta meet this disgruntled former Miss Universe contestant” that would not be not the sum total of the vetting process used by the “smartest and most capable woman ever”. “the person most qualified to be President ever.”
    But then I remembered her email server

    steveg (5508fb)

  195. @209. Well, the technological advances are a factor now too. Anybody can be a reporter with a smartphone now and upload it to the world. The wall was broken ages ago. For instance, dig up the huge fuss caused by Cronkite crossing over into entertainment for just a few seconds- literally- doing a walk-on and delivering a few benign lines at the end of an episode of the Mary Tyler Moore show in the mid 1970s.

    Today being able to do that is just a routine clause in their contracts and another revenue stream. Watch the films ‘Dave’ ‘The American President’ or ‘Contact’– the lines aren’t blurred- they’re trampled in the dust.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  196. Here’s a little dose of reality, the middle class has shrunk over a quarter century plus to 20% of the population:

    Let’s say someone has a good middle-class job that pays $65,000 a year. That job goes away in a changing, disrupted world, and his new full-time job pays $14 per hour — or about $28,000 per year. That devastated American remains counted as “full-time employed” because he still has full-time work — although with drastically reduced pay and benefits. He has fallen out of the middle class and is invisible in current reporting.

    More disastrous is the emotional toll on the person — the sudden loss of household income can cause a crash of self-esteem and dignity, leading to an environment of desperation that we haven’t seen since the Great Depression.

    Millions of Americans, even if they themselves are gainfully employed in good jobs, are just one degree away from someone who is experiencing either unemployment, underemployment or falling wages. We know them all.”

    This is where the bright shining lies come in. The worker now earning $28,000 annually is counted as employed, but there is no official metric for the household’s increasing insecurity and loss of opportunity.

    Even worse, nobody tracks the erosion of benefits. Not only has nominal pay plummeted from $65,000 to $28,000, the deductions for the employee’s share of healthcare insurance have skyrocketed, along with co-pays for meds, visits to a doctor, eyewear, etc.

    The lucky employees may still receive the benefit of matching 401K retirement funds from the employer, but the matching sums have declined.

    This is death by a thousand cuts. According to a report by the St. Louis Federal Reserve, real (adjusted for official inflation) wages have risen a mere 3% since 1970–46 years ago.

    Could the 25 million Invisible Americans be the key swing demographic in the upcoming presidential election? As I noted in What If We’re in a Depression But Don’t Know It? (September 23, 2016), The top 5% of households that dominate government, Corporate America, finance, the Deep State and the media have been doing extraordinarily well during the past eight years of “recovery,” and so they report that the economy is doing splendidly because they’ve done splendidly.

    The gulf between reality and the official happy story of “recovery” spewed by the status quo’s well-paid army of apparatchiks, flunkies, flacks, hacks, toadies, lackeys and functionaries gorging at the trough of the status quo is widening to the point of surrealism. Memo to the D.C. Beltway/mainstream media apologists and propagandists: the 25 million Invisible Americans are no longer buying your shuck-and-jive con job.

    DNF (755a85)

  197. what explains bezos carlos slim and rupert gazette, the last is just marginally better than the other two, but their saccharine content causes hypoglycemia,

    narciso (d1f714)

  198. well they were the paper that called ubl, well known saudi dissident, a far cry from when frederick forsyth wrote for it,

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/media-fraud-reuters-ipsos-poll-showing-hillary-6-sampled-44-democrats-33-republicans/

    narciso (d1f714)

  199. Daily I converse on the one hand, with healthcare professionals making their living off 18% of GDP and on the other hand, trailer trash making do with part-time work and transfer payments from Federal, State and County sources.

    In both cases, the status quo is not sustainable and is deteriorating rapidly. Government is of necessity defaulting on its debt in plain view.

    DNF (755a85)

  200. 198. “Economic considerations are not the fundamental issue of humanity,”

    Could you elaborate?

    DNF (755a85)

  201. it’s ayer’s revenge, an cohort of totally brainwashed drones, who can’t tell live from memorex,

    narciso (d1f714)

  202. Hey Bob23, Hillary’s getting the largest post debate bump since 1976. Please post some more about online polls.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  203. 1964 was a great year, Kevin M. I was 16 and just got laid.

    mg (31009b)

  204. What was the guy’s name, mg?

    Sorry… Low hanging fruit/hanging curveball…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  205. dunno coronello, it’s like they want to crash into the rocks, at ramming speed, to see what it feels like,

    narciso (d1f714)

  206. My first time was one night after 4H club

    steveg (5508fb)

  207. @215- Great. The bubble talk is accurate. And the thing is, $65K in LA or NYC is a joke… In Pittsburgh or Des Moines, it would go a little further… but not much more.

    We usually visit the local thrift store to peruse old books. The store remains the busiest retail establishment in the area– parking lot always filled. And it gets to you watching parents shopping for school clothes with their kids there… Anecdotal to be sure… but indicative of a definite problem in this economy.

    I’ll never forget starting college and pricing a new Camero at $8000. Yeah, said I, I’ll get one after school in 4 years. By then they were already $18,500 and climbing…

    @223… 2016 is nothing like 1968. Not even close.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  208. Dustin, it appears you received the largest post-debate bump… on the head. You best get that checked out, the brain swells with no place to go and it results in casting votes for demented Democrats.

    SteveG… I bet your membership on the track team virtually guaranteed virgin wool… Amirite?

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  209. @216- Leg lights, blush and cleavage.

    Megyn Kelly is as much a journalist as Lois Lane, Brenda Starr, Miss Polly Purebred, Ron Burgundy and Ted Baxter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  210. I just raised slow ones.

    steveg (5508fb)

  211. it’s too soon to tell, like mao said about the french revolution, the story bores me to tears,

    narciso (d1f714)

  212. Kelly is smarter than most.
    She tried to help Machado, regroup, but once it was clear machado wouldn’t or couldn’t say if anyone else ever heard “miss Piggy” and Miss good housekeeping etc, Kelly just wished her luck and closed out.
    I mean we always make fun of the Miss Duck Festival and her “world peace” speech, but then during a Presidential race we play womens card and Hispanic card based off of the word of this genius

    steveg (5508fb)

  213. well taylor, has gotten a little snippy of late, colin had stronger language he expressed btw,

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/28/colin-powell-u-s-should-not-single-out-just-muslims-as-being-bad/

    I think neal postman aptly called it ‘amusing ourselves to death’

    the oj and later condit circus masked the ragnarok that was around the corner,

    narciso (d1f714)

  214. I guess she’s more like faye dunaway’s role, she’s roughly the same age as her in 1976.

    narciso (d1f714)

  215. 1964 was a great year, Kevin M. I was 16 and just got laid.

    No wonder you’re so grumpy lately.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  216. DNF,

    The issue is not the economics of the situation. Many things that Trump brought out are quite true — I have never disputed that.

    H1-B allows tag-teams of low-expectation foreigners to compete with US STEM graduates, replaced every few years by the next wave of the team. One on one, the competition might be fair, but a tag-team makes any fight impossible to win.

    US companies have completely forgotten that they are US companies and the US government has as well. So, companies that stay here are taxed and regulated into the ground, and companies that build factories overseas are welcomed. There is no low-wage worker in a modern technical factory. It’s not about wages, it’s about the business environment. And right now COMMUNIST China is nicer to capitalism than the Land of the Free.

    Fine. I agree. It’s, well, it’s that Donald Trump is not very bright, unable to control his temper, unwilling to listen (we’ve had 8 years of THAT already), and unable to lead us out of this mess. He is quite likely to make it much worse as he flails around trying to fix it with stupid nostrums.

    The message is fine, the messenger is not.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  217. I’m looking at Clinton’s ad with Machado. Particularly the bit where she’s humiliated by being called overweight, juxtaposed with this hard core clip of Machado riding dirty on some guy, like an Energizer bunny in heat. Oh did anyone get around to mentioning she does XXX vids?

    You think Hillary knows?

    And she became a US citizen just this last May 2016, because we have a shortage of coke whores with limited English doing sex vids in America?

    Guessing on that last bit.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  218. I’m looking at Clinton’s ad with Machado. Particularly the bit where she’s humiliated by being called overweight, juxtaposed with this sex clip of Machado riding dirty on some guy, like an Energizer bunny in heat.

    Oh did anyone get around to mentioning she does dirty vids?

    You think Hillary knows?

    And she became a US citizen just this last May 2016, because we have a shortage of coke sniffers with limited English doing sex vids in America?

    Guessing on that last bit.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  219. @238– But she’s not a journalist. And certainly not a field reporter or correspondent. She reads what’s on the teleprompter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  220. Comey is so dirty he makes a garden of roses smell like poop.
    This con man needs serious jail time.
    RICO

    mg (31009b)

  221. On a route like the i-10 in LA, this would be a death sentence: https://www.yahoo.com/news/america-carpool-again-man-ticketed-195900431.html

    urbanleftbehind (96e5d8)

  222. Judging by the course of her life she probably asked the guy for tips on how to do it, and considered that payment enough.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/28/2016 @ 2:25 pm

    And no doubt when she came across William J Le Petomane Clinton, she was truly impressed at what a fantastic liar he was.

    Lie Number 1: That he was from Hope, Arkansas, famous for its watermelons. He told that to everyone.

    In reality, while he was born there, (or was he?) and lived there till about the age of 4 or 5, he was from Hot Springs Arkansas, a place were all sorts of illegal things existed in the open, including casinos and slot machines on the street, a place run by a political machine that was controlled, until his death, by one of the Founding Fathers of the organized crime in America, if not the main founder, Owen Vincent “Owney the Killer” Madden, 1891-1965, a man Bill Clinton knew personally, because his step-uncle, Raymond Clinton, was a important member of the machine – meetings were held at his Buick dealership – and he owned many slot machines that were placed on the street. It was a place where the illegal activities were protected because of payoffs to the Governor, Orval Faubus, and he also no doubt told her the inside story of the Little Rock school crisis of 1957, which was ginned up in order for Orval Faubus to defy the Arkansas political tradition of a Governor having only 2 two-year terms, aftrr which he just kept on running for re-election every two years, a place so tinged with political influence that when Joe Valachi testified before the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations of the U.S. Senate Committee on Government Operations in October, 1963, the first detailed exposure for many Ameericans to the Mafia, its Chairman, John L. McClellan (D-Ark.), (1896-1977, House 1935-1939, Senate 1943-1977) visited him privately in the D.C. jail just before the hearings, and asked him not to mention anything about Hot Springs Arkansas! And he didn’t.

    Now that it was all closing down because of the new Governor, Winthrop Rockefeller, and the death several years back from old age and emphysema of the genius, and real life Lex Luther, Owney Madden, there was strong effort to not let new generations know about it.

    It was closing down. Bill Clinton had thought the fix was in at the draft board in 1969, like it had been during World War II, but it wasn’t, and he’d had to go through all sorts of contortions to avoid being drafted – he didn’t want to take the out of the reserves which his step-uncle arranged for him – until the draft lottery took place in December, 1969, after which he avoided the draft by the simple device of changing his date of birth, which he could do because of the continuing influence of the macihne.

    Donald Trump really ought to have asked for Bill Clinton’s birth certificate. Not the one he has now, but evidence of what his date of birth was before December, 1969. That was what was probably the secret contained in his passport file, which Bill Clinton I think arranged so that nobody would ever ever, look at it.

    Hope was a place connected to the Hot Springs political machine – a kind of suburb and a place many associated of the machine went into exile after Jan, 1, 1948 for a couple of years.

    It wasn’t just Bill Clinton’s lies, she was impressed with – it was his cover-up skills. He knew everything.

    And he was going to become president.

    Not that any of it rubbed of on her; she’s a TERRIBLE liar.

    She’s terrible at inventing lies. At telling them, she may be pretty good. She’s a good actress.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  223. Bob23 (ce7fc3) — 9/28/2016 @ 8:46 pm

    20 Trillion in debt and we want MORE and BIGGER government programs… Donald trump claims that’s the reason we have to start demading more money from NATO countries and Japan and South Korea to pay for their defense – as if those countries didn’t have budgetary constraints. The U.S. can create money, and it’s maybe the only country that truly can.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  224. 214. The film Dave was already made in 1993. I saw it several years later.

    From the Sammy Zone: (message extracted from a *.QWK file, so the Message number is blank, and the Conf. 602, which should be the message number)

    Date: 02-10-98 (22:07) Number: Unassigned Ref: NONE
    To: ALL
    From: SAMMY FINKELMAN
    Subj: A speech President Clinto
    Read: Not Posted Status: PUBLIC
    Conf: 602

    @SUBJECT:A speech President Clinton probably never will deliver N
    You can use this thing in TPD if you think it good.

    A Speech President Clinton Probably Never Will Deliver.

    Note: the following is heavily based on a speech in a movie. However,
    even in that movie, it is not delivered by the real President. Something
    like this is, in its own way, as big a fantasy as the events in Star Trek,
    even though no natural laws are contradicted.

    SEPT 13, 1998: Speech delivered before a special joint seession of
    Congress:

    (applause ends) Mr. Speaker, the Vice President, members of Congress,
    my fellow Americans.

    I wish I could be here today under different circumstances. There
    certainly are a lot of things about this country that we could be
    discussing, but I realize that’s not possible now. As all of you know,
    my former deputy White House counsel has implicated me in a scandal
    involving Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan. And once people like Sam
    Donaldson and Dan Rather (my apologies if I sound like I’m singling
    them out) start talking about a scandal for more than 3 news cycles,
    and the House Judiciary Committee even begins a serious inquiry, it’s
    hard to talk about anything else any more.

    So, fine, let’s talk about it.

    Bruce Lindsey has accused me of —– Let me read this here to make
    sure I get this right — illegally influencing government regulators
    on behalf of major campaign contributors; interfering with an ongoing
    Justice Department investigation; and violating Federal election laws in
    the area of campaign finance.

    Okay, let’s get right to the guts of it. Each one of these charges is
    absolutely true.

    I’m the President, and, as Harry Truman and Ronald Reagan used to say,
    the buck stops here. So I take full responsibility for every one of
    my illegal actions.

    But, you see, that’s not the whole story. I think that each one of you
    is entitled to the whole truth. I have here, written proof — in the
    form of notes, memoranda, and personal directives, proving that Bruce
    Lindsey was also involved in each one of these incidents, and, in most
    cases, planned them as well.

    Now – allegations of wrongdoing have also been made against Vice
    President Gore. Now, as this evidence will prove, at no time, and in
    no way, was the Vice President involved in any of this affair. Bruce
    just made all of that up. Vice President Gore is a good and decent
    public servant, and I’d like to apologize for any pain this may have
    caused him or his family.

    And while we’re on the subject, I’d like to apologize to the American
    people. You see, I forgot that I was hired to do a job for you – and
    that was just a temp job at that. I forgot that I had 250 million
    people who were paying me to make their lives just a little bit better.
    And I didn’t live up to my part of the bargain.

    You see, there are certain things you should expect from your President.
    I ought to care more about you than I care about me. I ought to care
    more about – I ought to care more about what’s right than I do about
    what the polls say. I ought to be willing to give up this whole thing
    for something I believe in, because if I’m not — if I’m not – if I’m
    not — then maybe I don’t belong here in the first place.

    Tomorrow, Monday, I will submit my resignation to Secretary of State
    Madeline Albright, effective at noon, Sept, 19, 1998 – leaving a few
    days for a White House staff to be selected.

    I will stop making decisions as President tommorrow. I hope that you,
    and the American public, and President Gore, will forgive me.

    I appreciate the kind words said by the Reverend Billy Graham today,
    and I thank Senator Kerrey for his fine words earlier today on Meet
    the Press – even though, for once, he broke the rules and answered a
    hypothetical question.

    Thank you.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  225. For DNF at 209
    Short version, which is all I have time for
    Man does not live by bread alone
    You can be rich and be a miserable and evil human being.
    Being at peace in a relationship with God and reflecting His goodness is far better,
    even if poor,
    but yes, that is not what the election is directly about.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  226. http://710wor.iheart.com/onair/mark-simone-52176/how-did-donald-trump-actually-treat-15152900/

    How Did Donald Trump Actually Treat Miss Universe When She Got Fat? (January 28, 1997)

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  227. “I am not a weasel.”

    — James Comey, FBI Director

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  228. Cruz Supporter, at 186:

    I’m with Kishnevi’s comment at 187 and Kevin’s comment at 241.

    Trump is not going to provide solutions; he’s going to provide grandiose promises combined with excuses and finger pointing when he f—s things up and fails to deliver.

    I’d prefer something better than a caretaker; that’s why I cited my belief that Hillary is a caretaker at best as a “reservation” about her.

    But given a choice between a caretaker and an obvious flim flam man, the caretaker wins.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  229. Gerald A, at 194:

    the international economy has, for the last twenty years, been largely oriented around a program of (a) free movement of capital, (b) more-or-less free trade in goods, (c) increasing free trade in services, under the theory that this will bring about the same benefit for the international economy that reducing internal trade barriers brought to national economies – allowing local specialization to drive up productivity and thereby increase wealth, and allowing competition to drive down prices.

    The Trump program is aimed at the heart of that; it explicitly calls for the abrogation of *existing* international trade arrangements and their replacement with something different, designed to do a better job at protecting American workers. Which is to say: it’s heavily premised on the notion that free trade in goods and services is harmful to America and that we should restrict it and only allow specifically targeted trade which is beneficial.

    This will inevitably cause the cost of goods and services to go up, and it runs the risk of inducing retaliatory measures which, in aggregate, can cause the international economy to seize up.

    Trump promises that he’ll replace it with something “better”, but on what basis would I believe anything he says?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  230. Narciso, at 199:

    there’s a fundamental criticism of the international economy which is central to both the Sanders and Trump campaigns, and it has a lot of merit: even if you agree that globalization has been good for the American economy *overall*, the distribution of those gains has been uneven, and there are groups of people (including but not limited to white working class Americans) who have been totally hosed by it: the jobs they were good at went away because foreign labor was cheaper, and to the extent they’ve been replaced, they’ve been replaced by less high-paying and less satisfying jobs.

    this is inarguably true.

    more broadly, gloobalization has resulted in serious downward pressure on the price of labor, which is bad for *all* working people. it’s *somewhat* balanced by a reduction in the price of goods, but only somewhat, because a lot of goods (housing and health care, most noticeably) aren’t subject to the downward price pressure that manufactured goods are.

    the question is: what do we do about it?

    nobody has a good answer.

    the Trump answer is to renegotiate all of our trade deals so that they are better. This is magical thinking, innocuous and ineffective in the best case and disastrous in the worst case.

    the alt-right answer is to kick out all of the immigrants, which will restrict the supply of labor and thereby drive up the price.

    the traditional conservative answer is to sharply reduce government spending, which in theory will cause the money the government is spending to be spent on things that increase demand for labor, and to reduce regulations, which will increase economic activity and increase demand for labor. The second half of that will help some, but not enough.

    the neoliberal answer is to provide transitional assistance and training to those whose jobs are lost, but (a) that doesn’t seem to work in practice and (b) it’s been promised before and not delivered so nobody believes it will happen this time.

    the socialist answer is to use price controls and regulation to prop up the price of labor, which will reduce demand for labor and increase costs.

    the worst thing about all of this is that the problem is going to get worse. the taxi and truck driving industries will lose 80% their jobs in the next ten years, and a lot of customer service jobs will go away, too. there’s an army of unemployed coming — and the plans of all political factions are inadequate to the problem.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  231. well one would examine if the assurance that were given to us, how been observed in good faith, now that huge swaths of american industry has been offshored to mexico and china, was that even in the spirit of the accords, much less the letter,

    narciso (d1f714)

  232. aphrael,
    Perhaps you missed my discussion above.
    As said by someone else, Clinton is an undertaker, not caretaker.

    Globalization means nothing compared to the break down in the rule of law in the highest levels of government.

    MD in Philly (9d8092)

  233. 88. 91. Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/28/2016 @ 3:25 pm

    Trump used the same statistic (u6) as Sanders. He did not use the official unemployment rate (u3) for black youth, but then neither did Sanders. But it’s ok when the Democratic-Socialist does it.

    I think you’ve got them.

    Saying that what Sanders said is MOSTLY TRUE and what Trump said is MOSTLY FALSE when they more or less said abiut the same thing can only be explained by bias on the part of Politifact.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  234. 260. He’s not in Volodya’s pocket. It’s just that the Obama Adminisrtration has no idea what to do if they accuse Russia of hacking. They don’t want to start a new cold war. This let Trump express doubt it was Russia at the debate.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  235. steveg (5508fb) — 9/29/2016 @ 4:02 pm in Trump to Aides thread:

    (Note how Ms. Machado is a snowflake about being called fat 20 years ago, but when challenged about driving the get away car from a murder, she says “hey, that was 20 years ago)

    18 years ago. Two years AFTER the beauty pageant.

    By the way, how does wheel woman for a murder, baby momma of a cartel leader, etc get a passport?

    Contacts the Hillary Clinton for president campaign?

    The Clinton campaign says she contacted them in the spring.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)


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