Patterico's Pontifications

9/27/2016

Sniffy Donald at the Debate

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:45 am

Someone made a video of all Donald Trump’s sniffs from last night’s debate.

This is what passes for substance these days. And if this had been Hillary, it’s all we would be talking about. IS SHE SICK? IS SHE GOING TO DIE? DID YOU HEAR HER SNIFF SNIFF SNIFFETY SNIFF? I can see the headlines on Breitbart, linked by Drudge, and three nights of discussion on Hannity. I can see it all.

Hey, Trump has Breitbart, Drudge, and Hannity. Hillary has all of Big Media. Surely one of those hacks will seize on this.

164 Responses to “Sniffy Donald at the Debate”

  1. It’s not the first time, either!

    Patterico (bcf524)

  2. A nervous habit, grabbing air before plunging ahead. And if the old boy likes to party, lay off him, narc.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  3. Trump has built a lot of fortune in vice. His Taj Mahal casino featured a strip club owned by Bob Gans, a man convicted of human trafficking. Trump’s slept with employee models. Would a rich guy like that not abuse drugs?

    Like with the tax return dodge, if Hillary had done it, the Trump Defense Force would be going nuts saying it’s absolutely essential she take a drug test. I think it’s a pretty valid question and Trump could settle it easily with a little test.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  4. Oh for Keerist sake…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  5. An effin’ Junior Howard Dean on the make…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  6. Yep, that’s me, Howard Dean! AND THEN WE’RE GOING TO CALIFORNIA AAAAAAAAAAARGH

    Does Cocaine Cause Hair Loss?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  7. The left has snapped up his sniffle issues. The meme going around on social media is “I am not saying that Trump has a Coke habit, but he sure is sniffing like a Coke user.” Or “not saying he is a Coke user, but he is from Wall Street area and we know they use drugs to stay ahead.”
    Nearly all of my extreme left friends have been sharing dumb jokes like what the Las Vegas Senator shared about Romney and his tax returns.

    Charles (59abb2)

  8. Come to think of it, an LSD habit may explain why a guy who prides himself on what he believes to be a rational take on politics and current affairs would mutate into a Clinton voter.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  9. Patterico,

    Which, in your considered opinion, is more capable of generating 270 electoral votes? Does Sniffy have a clear edge over Shaky or will Shaky’s edge in being slightly less repellent carry her through to victory?

    Would a seltzer bottle duel resolve the contest or should the electorate demand pie throwing as the ultimate test?

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  10. I find it easy to believe that Trump’s real beef with Muslims is that they don’t drink, they don’t gamble, and they impose the death penalty for drugs, homosexuality and adultery. New York limousine libertines worried most.

    nk (dbc370)

  11. Trump Idolatry has turned previously rational individuals into blathering imbeciles.

    John Hitchcock (668e03)

  12. Come to think of it, an LSD habit may explain why a guy who prides himself on what he believes to be a rational take on politics and current affairs would mutate into a Clinton voter.

    Colonel Haiku

    My drug of choice is butter.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  13. Hugh Hewitt has an interview with Cruz taped this morning that explains Cruz’s support of Trump. It’s worth listening to:

    http://www.hughhewitt.com/wp-content/uploads/09-27hhs-cruz.mp3

    BobStewartatHome (d2c7a4)

  14. Bob23, those who actually read your links will read this:

    Online polls carried out afterwards gave a different outcome – handing the title to Trump.

    Such polls are self-selecting, and more likely to pick up the views of those who vote, although CNN’s study also reflected a similar bias.

    Funny how the polls that Trump won are also the polls that are meaningless. As I noted to Lbascom when he made the same argument as you, there are threads full of Trump fans talking about manipulating these polls and then using them in arguments on threads such as this one in an effort to convince morons to go with the real ‘winner’ even if he didn’t win. I think that’s dishonest and manipulative.

    As far as I know, only CNN and Breitbart commissioned actual scientific polls, which showed Trump losing the debate. CNN’s poll was unfairly weighted so it doesn’t really matter. I would be happy to see you post any source showing valid polls showing Trump won this debate, but so far it’s just the same stuff Ron Paul fans always used to skew, sometimes with DDOS type botnets. In fact it’s the same people doing it.

    That you guys think you need to resort to this actually makes Trump look worse, you know.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  15. Let’s see how the state by state polls shake out over the next week before we rush to judgement.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  16. bob, call Sean Hannity and he can tell you what a great job you’re doing. Tremendous job. Everyone is saying it. Believe me. The Nuclear.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  17. A debate against as brazenly corrupt, dishonest and incompetent a person as Hillary, with a record of disastrous failure, should have been a slam dunk.

    For anyone but a narcissistic reality TV show star.

    Pathetic.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  18. Look, it’s a squirrel.

    This was canned. It was Maddow’s first crack before they got off stage. Anything to deflect from observing Maudie closely.

    Just consider what she physically did last evening. Not much. And the movements made were unsteady.

    There’s something wrong with her.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  19. Who elected Lester Holt to craft secret questions and decide what to ask, anyway? Since when is an NBC News reporter an arbiter of the national agenda?

    Nobody who watched that pie fight can tell you why either of these twits want to be president.
    Unless you buy into Maudie’s belief, ‘it’s my turn.’Or JR’s phrase, ‘make America great again.’

    Next ‘debate’ they should be directly asked why they want to be president. That worked out well for Teddy Kennedy— and America, in 1980. Didn’t it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. @14. No. It’s not.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  21. “He passed the test.”

    I suppose if you bury the bar below the frost line that might be true. Another view is that Clinton could be a HoF organ grinder based upon how she made the monkey dance. Her own responses truly sucked, what wasn’t stilted was insipid pap but she sure knows how to push Trump’s Ooooh – SHINY! buttons while Trump provided ample evidence of his unique blend of admamantine ignorance coupled with his mask of rambling incoherence.

    He may not be able to get any worse but I sure wouln’t bet on it.

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  22. Funny how the polls that Trump won are also the polls that are meaningless. As I noted to Lbascom when he made the same argument as you, there are threads full of Trump fans talking about manipulating these polls and then using them in arguments on threads such as this one in an effort to convince morons to go with the real ‘winner’ even if he didn’t win. I think that’s dishonest and manipulative.

    Think again sparky.

    http://patterico.com/2016/09/26/presidential-debate-open-thread-ready-or-not/#comment-1931978

    LBascom (c230be)

  23. Nero admitting to using blow did not bother a lot of
    people. Bill Clinton has a nose like a vacuum cleaner
    according to brother Roger.
    Lets not forget the Mena airport traffic.
    If the Donald was a partyer we would have more evidence
    than the sniffles.

    gbear (70736b)

  24. @27– Lester’s cameo serving lemonade in the greenhouse in ‘In The Heat Of The Night’ was excellent.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. If Trump has a coke habit, don’t you think it would have shown up on his physical which was being discussed… what, all of last week?

    Semper Why (5fe03f)

  26. LBascom,

    Your most recent comment defending your reliance on online polls to prove something is simply a link to a different comment that links to Powerline that links to the same damn article we were just talking about. The article that admits you’re relying on online polls that prove nothing.

    So when you say “think again” do you mean literally we should think again about the same argument you just repeated? Something tells me you aren’t debating in good faith. Call it a sixth sense.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  27. it’s kinda funny, seems all the news coverage today is simply pointing out all the spots where Trump didn’t address where Hillary was guilty of lying, guilty of destroying evidence, guilty of war crimes, guilty of incompetence, guilty of hypocrisy…and listing all her crimes in detail. Her short comings are getting much more airtime today than would have ever been possible yesterday.

    Stosh (ab2f0c)

  28. Dustin, you are tiresome.

    At 15 you complained about online polls conducted afterward. I linked to a story about snap polls.

    I’m done engaging you; it’s too much like wrestling a pig.

    LBascom (c230be)

  29. 25. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/27/2016 @ 10:42 am

    Who elected Lester Holt to craft secret questions and decide what to ask, anyway?

    http://debates.org/index.php?page=commission-leadership

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  30. 25. 36. The electors who elected Lester Holt to craft secret questions and decide what to ask:

    Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr.

    Michael D. McCurry

    Howard G. Buffett, Chairman and CEO, The Howard G. Buffett Foundation (and son of Warren Buffet)

    John C. Danforth, Former U.S. Senator

    Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr., President, Purdue University (former Republican Governor of Indiana)

    Charles Gibson, Former Anchor, ABC World News with Charles Gibson

    John Griffen, Managing Director, Allen & Company LLC

    Jane Harman, Director, President and CEO, Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars (former Dem member of Congress)

    Antonia Hernandez, President and CEO, California Community Foundation

    Reverend John I. Jenkins, President, University of Notre Dame

    Jim Lehrer, Former Executive Editor and Anchor of the NewsHour on PBS

    Newton N. Minow, Senior Counsel, Sidley Austin LLP

    Richard D. Parsons, Senior Advisor, Providence Equity Partners LLC

    Dorothy S. Ridings, Former President, the League of Women Voters and former President and CEO, Council on Foundations

    Olympia Snowe, Former U.S. Senator

    Shirley M. Tilghman, Former President, Princeton University

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  31. Dustin, you are tiresome.

    At 15 you complained about online polls conducted afterward. I linked to a story about snap polls.

    I’m done engaging you; it’s too much like wrestling a pig.

    LBascom

    Snap polls are online polls. Read your own links.

    You also responded to a passage explaining this by linking indirectly back to that same passage.

    I also posted proof you Trump fans were flooding those very online polls to ensure Trump won them all. Remember how Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders ‘won’ every debate in these polls?

    Online polls, aka snap polls, are unscientific garbage.

    I agree that this is just like wrestling a pig. You’re not discussing this in good faith.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  32. a yucky diseased pig

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  33. Hillary is gloating, Trump is whining. That tells you who won. Hint: It’s the cheerful winner who celebrates; not the whiny loser who meowls “It wasn’t fair”.

    nk (dbc370)

  34. “Dustin, I agree with LBascom. You are truly very tiresome. You might find Daily Kos more comfortable. There no one will disagree with you.”

    – Bob23

    Dustin has far more respect here than both of you idiots put together.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  35. @37. =yawn= And who elected those very, very, very few to decide the national agenda for 330 million Americans, Sammy?

    Nobody.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  36. You can’t shame the shameless, Leviticus. Trump does have a chunk of former Ronulans from alt.light-in-der-lederhosen and they’re using the same tactics of “jamming” the internets.

    nk (dbc370)

  37. 41- Hillary was no doubt the more experienced debater, and that showed. But is that what winning is predicated on? Maybe at a college debate club event, but not a at this debate. This one was about Hillary’s health and Trumps temperament. In other words, it wasn’t based on points , it was pass/ fail, and neither failed.

    Who lost was the American people, who instead of seeing anything substantial got birtherism, speculation on Trumps tax forms, and whether Trump was against the Iraq war before or after 2003. Designed to obscure the fact that Hillary started birtherism, the Clinton foundation is shady as hell, and Hillary voted for the war and then sabotaged it.

    The whole thing was an ugly spectacle that moved no one. On to the next!

    LBascom (c230be)

  38. My.

    ‘Doctor Dean’ seems to have quite the intimate knowledge on the telltaled signs of cocaine use.

    Doesn’t he. =sniff=

    If only he was so keenly observant about ‘criminal’ signs closer to home- like in his own son.

    Howard Dean’s son arrested for felony burglary.. – Free Republicwww.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/932740/posts?page=136

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. Leviticus, if gaining respect means calling those I disagree with names like you and nk do, I’ll not miss it.

    LBascom (c230be)

  40. Memo to Maudie:

    Subject: Passport Stamps as Stamina

    Sitting on your butt for 11 hours bantering with Congress is like a flight from San Francisco to Singapore, eh Maudie.

    I once changed planes at DFW. I now tell people I’ve been to Texas.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  41. LBascom (c230be) — 9/27/2016 @ 12:52 pm

    With that particular comment (and only that comment) of yours, I fully agree.

    This election reminds me of the condemned man asking his executioners to hurry up and get it over with, because the wait was so intolerable.

    Kishnevi (1f8073)

  42. I noticed the sniffing, and also some change in voice.

    I don’t mean to go all conspiratorial here, but I think there’s a chance it means something; DJT may have a cold.

    In other earth shaking news, dog bites man….

    Arizona CJ (b4cd1f)

  43. Let’s play “Doctor Dean.”

    Bill Weld always appears ruddy-faced, as if he just staggered out of a Boston bar.

    Diagnosis: DRNUKARD!

    Bill Clinton leans stoop-shouldered, pale and motionless.

    Diagnosis: CADAVER!

    Joe Biden is gains hair as he ages.

    Diagnosis: PLUGS!

    Hillary Clinton forgot she wasn’t supposed to delete emails.

    Diagnosis: DEMENTIA!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. Maybe Captain Obvious is needed. For the slow on the uptake…

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/globalism_soros_and_charlotte_now_i_get_it.html

    LBascom (c230be)

  45. Yeah Bob, Ace expands on the problem, but I can’t seem to get a linked comment to post.

    One thing that has impressed me more and more over the past two years is how powerful the left is in colonizing the thoughts of all citizens — including commentators on the right.
    Andrew Breitbart used to say — he said this the first time I met him — that the left creates a “Matrix,” as in the movie, a prison of illusion and reality distortion. When you are in the Matrix, he said excitedly, you can’t see the Matrix itself.
    Many commentators on the right — I included — are thoroughly colonized by leftist memes. How could we not be? We are constantly mesmerized by them, a thousand cult chants a day whispering at us from our electric soma boxes. […]

    I think that our current politics has been organized around the central concept of Emptiness for a long time, and I think maybe this year, a year of rejectionism, is the year when people begin to see through the Emptiness.
    So I would just suggest to the Chattering Classes and the Twitterati:
    Are you really judging what she said, or are you simply regurgitating the Conventional Wisdom as to what is credited as counting as an “informed answer” in these moronic affairs?
    Because people less colonized by parasitic, invasive leftist memes might have seen this show differently than you did.
    Just because you know the Matrix exists does not mean you can see the Matrix.
    To see the Matrix, you actually have to escape the Matrix.
    You have to purge the Matrix from your brain.

    LBascom (c230be)

  46. it’s the analogy of the cave, updated, where you see shadows and think they are the real thing, but it you can look past into the sunlight,

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article104382951.html

    narciso (d1f714)

  47. From Narciso’s link @56
    Before the debate, the tally was nine Clinton, three Trump, six undecided and three Johnson. Afterward, it became seven Clinton, three Trump, six undecided and five Johnson

    Notice what red queen lost went to bluntman. Trump gained none.

    Kishnevi (1f8073)

  48. Subject: Passport Stamps as Stamina

    The problem is, that was several years ago, almost entirely before her concussion in December, 2012, so it doesn’t prove anything, exceot ifyou assume that if she has a problem, she has it going back to 2009..

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  49. I agree that Hillary Clinton “won the debate”.
    I also think that Mr. Trump likely moved closer to winning the election.
    I expect the next batch of national polls to show Hillary moving/increasing her lead. They can’t help themselves; they’re trying to disqualify Trump by “consensus”. It won’t work, I don’t think.
    So the polls will do the same after each debate. And then, they’ll tighten before Election Day.

    And then we’ll see whether this will be another Brexit vote, or if the lack of a true “ground game”, combined with massed voter fraud in places like Philadephia and Pittsburgh will swing the election to Hillary.

    Evan3457 (79ccc1)

  50. Kishnevi (1f8073) — 9/27/2016 @ 2:51 pm

    what red queen lost went to bluntman. Trump gained none.

    That’s the way it is.

    It works the same way with votes that Trump loses, and that’s all Hillary’s anti-Trump commercials can do..

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  51. I want a patent on that btW, I was following the ewok down the rabbit hole,,

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Leviticus, thank you that was kind of you to say.

    Lbascom and Bob23 (who has ignored my question about what other names he has commented here under), I am not trying to win any popularity contests. I’m on a conservative blog telling people I’m voting for Hillary. I’m not worried about what a couple of drive-by Trump Spam kids have to say about me.

    It’s still a fact that you both keep referencing online polls as proof that we can’t believe our lying eyes about Trump’s mediocre performance last night. And it’s still a fact that online polls do not mean anything, and that skewing and spamming about them is dishonest and manipulative.

    I imagine the cocaine joking is meant to poke Trumpkins more than be realistic. Trump is old and frail, unable to keep up with Hillary for 90 minutes (and she is almost as old). It would be amazing if he was using cocaine. But something was going on with his sniffling, and his demeanor was erratic as usual, so I’d love to know more about his health and what drugs he really is taking.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  53. when he’s president he can do lines of coke off the constitution and then poop on it lol

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  54. indeed, happyfeet. Thanks for sharing.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  55. she collapsed like a sack of potatoes, and the press went in lockdown, as mark steyn noted, whereas he had the sniffles, compare and contrast, and yeargh, that level headed epitome of
    rationality, borderline 9/11 denialist,

    narciso (d1f714)

  56. this may have been brought up before,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee8-GfgRm2o

    narciso (d1f714)

  57. Speculating that Trump has a drug problem is no different than speculating that, say, a prominent politician’s father might have been involved in the JFK assassination.

    I really despise people who do that sort of thing.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  58. yes, following wayne madsen down a rabbit hole, rarely goes well,

    narciso (d1f714)

  59. As Patterico mentioned at the start of the debate, don’t look at her eyes. I had already noticed how she looked tired, drugged, ill and not very healthy. As has been written about Hillary Clinton, the story is in her eyes. She was alert for 1.5 hours. But she couldn’t handle any of the usual after-event stuff and had to be attended to to make sure she didn’t collapse. Let’s follow-up… if she continues with a light campaign schedule, she is not up to this job and the intense physical and mental stress that it entails… not even taking her lying, crooked nature into account.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  60. “One down. Two to go.” -Maudie.

    Ever the Clinton, eh Bubbette?

    “Four down, three to go.” Astrogroupies, ‘The Right Stuff,’ 1983

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. well they’re sniffing something in that gym??

    https://twitter.com/DavidRutz/status/780806057744601088?lang=en

    narciso (d1f714)

  62. @71. Windows on the soul. Tired. No stamina.

    “You should see them from my side!”– ‘Kid Shelleen’ [Lee Marvin] ‘Cat Ballou’ 1965

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  63. She was alert for 1.5 hours. But she couldn’t handle any of the usual after-event stuff and had to be attended to to make sure she didn’t collapse.

    I imagine she collapsed into a limo like a dying star, cackling all the way to whatever tank they store her in.

    she is not up to this job and the intense physical and mental stress that it entails

    That’s probably good. I’d rather see Kaine take over as soon as possible. But interestingly Trump was even less up to the job than Hillary, fading far faster, breaking a sweat, unable to concentrate on a topic for even a full sentence at any time past the first twenty minutes of the debate. I was actively wondering if Hillary would have a problem with this ‘stamina’ thing Trump has been rambling about, but I think she wound up looking like the less old of two very old people.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  64. good gravy, kaine is the solon cubed, skydragon, salafi somelives matter acolyte,

    narciso (d1f714)

  65. Everyone in the same room with Hillary comes down with something. Could be Parkinsniffles.

    Jcurtis (1937e0)

  66. Yes, Narciso, and also the 3rd best (worst-est) of the Virginians to choose from – Warner would have been a more palatable to the then-larger pool of economically rational NeverTrumpers, and while he would no doubt frag her onstage, Webb would have been an excellent counter.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  67. If you’ve ever worked in television production and know about omnidirectional microphones you’ll get a sense why Trump’s audio drew attention. A little surprising as I didn’t notice it in the broadcast all that much. The mike heads were positioned differently for him and for her– having to do with height– but had she positioned hers the way his was, you’d have heard her wheezing, too. He should have just tipped him mike slightly and that sound would likely have gone.

    It’s a personal preference to position the mike as long as the levels were adequate but his was right beneath his breath stream. Whoever was the audio engineer for this and set up the lecterns gets the spanking for it– but JR could have repositioned it and not affected the levels too much.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  68. For those who don’t want to listen to the mp3 recording linked above, here’s a transcript link to Hewitt’s Cruz interview today.

    Cruz stressed again the importance of Trump’s brand new public commitment to choose SCOTUS Justices exclusively from the list of 21 names that his campaign has published. It is indeed a good list. Yes, committing Trump to anything is like trying to nail Jello; but in fact Jello rarely escapes from the refrigerator, and using Pence as the intermediary and, if necessary, essential witness to prove up this explicit quid-pro-quo, this formal reciprocal commitment, does in fact publicly bind Trump more definitely than he has yet permitted himself.

    I do not think former Cruz fans who are now attacking him — including for example our host here and Allahpundit at Hot Air — are being fair in omitting to mention this “exclusivity” argument re the SCOTUS. As Cruz said again in this interview:

    I wanted to see greater specificity, a greater degree of comfort, that Justice Scalia’s replacement and the subsequent justices would be principled Constitutionalists. You and I both know many of the people on that list of 21. It is a terrific list, and the commitment on Friday they made that they would only nominate from that list, to me, was a big deal, and that was enough to move me over to a yes.

    Cruz has never said that by itself, any other of the secondary reasons he now mentions as reasons why one might conscientiously vote for Trump — the “binary choice” argument, the addition of Mike Lee’s name to the SCOTUS list, Trump’s new position on internet legislation, immigration, whatever — would have prompted him to announce his support.

    So why do his critics pretend that he said or implied that? It’s the SCOTUS, stupid. That’s the entire gist of Cruz’ rationale.

    Why do they ignore the obvious fact that personal forgiveness might reasonably take a few weeks to process?

    Why do they ignore, or at least unfairly minimize, the principal reason Cruz cited to begin with: That he was keeping his commitment to support the GOP nominee?

    Please note: I’m not voting for Trump either. I’m not persuaded that, public pledge of exclusivity or not, Trump is bound to the names on that list. I’m not persuaded by the “binary choice” argument (which makes perfect sense if the issue is defined as “realistically affecting the presidential election,” but no sense if the issue is defined to include larger issues, like “can I live with myself having voted for anyone so spectacular unfit as each of these two candidates?”) Cruz hasn’t converted or convinced me.

    But I don’t immediately jump from that conclusion to: “Therefore Cruz must be a craven politician lying through his teeth!”

    I’m just disappointed in the sloppy analysis.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  69. I really despise people who do that sort of thing.

    Beldar (fa637a)

    Hate is like drinking poison and hoping the other person dies. Not a good long term strategy.

    While I doubt Trump was on cocaine due to his age, he’s been rolling around in every vice he can find for decades. I am skeptical of his sobriety claims. I’m skeptical of his claims about his taxes. I find his supporters smearing the family of Ted Cruz to be utterly unlike asking Trump to provide information about his health, and given his erratic behavior, a drug test.

    Am I asserting he was on any particular drug? Of course not. Is it amusing to watch the same Trumpkins who have spread every rumor now scramble to demand proof? Of course.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  70. Of course I’m not suggesting Beldar is a Trumpkin by any stretch of the imagination. Hopefully I wasn’t unclear on that.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  71. I’ll believe that horsesh*t, Dustin, when I see Trump physically collapse once, not even the multiple times Hillary Clinton has been photographed doing so.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  72. Howard Dean’s Elves… note who they are for future reference.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  73. , like “can I live with myself having voted for anyone so spectacular unfit as each of these two candidates?”)

    Thank you.
    This is a reason for being neverTrump which a number of people here seem unable to grok.

    I will vote for Trump, probably, based on the fact that it will lessen the number of avowed Marxists in the federal agencies.

    To me that is the only reason to vote for him.
    And it depends on him not doing much to remind me of all the reasons I despise him.

    Kishnevi (413847)

  74. “34. it’s kinda funny, seems all the news coverage today is simply pointing out all the spots where Trump didn’t address where Hillary was guilty of lying, guilty of destroying evidence, guilty of war crimes, guilty of incompetence, guilty of hypocrisy…and listing all her crimes in detail. Her short comings are getting much more airtime today than would have ever been possible yesterday.”

    It’s almost as if he knows how to play this game.

    Pretty good for a no-nothing clown, huh, getting the MSM to talk about all of these Hillary problems? Whereas if he had brought that stuff up, the new coverage would be all about how mean and nasty he was about Hillary.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  75. one can dislike trump, but not lose perspective,

    https://www.facebook.com/jaltcoh/posts/10103339705315575

    narciso (d1f714)

  76. he doesn’t even drink he’s practically a mormon

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  77. Cruz stressed again

    A Texas leaguer. Always.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  78. @90. Don’t think the SOCTUS list means a damn thing to him. He’s a pragmatist, not an ideologue. Negotiating, making the deal, getting it done and moving on to the next project is what he’s all about. NYC, 1980’s-style. SCOTUS lists are just a bone to the hanger-on ideologues. He’ll have a list, toss a name to the Congress an let them chew on the bones. Then get back to getting things done.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  79. @ Bob23, #91:

    Who, exactly, thinks Hillary Clinton is a masterful debater? She generally comes in command of her talking points, and is more or less okay. But that’s the best you can say about her — she’s not a master. She has no charisma. She has no relatability. She steps on her own scripted mike-drops. She was bested by Obama repeatedly in 2008, who actually is a good debater when he puts in the prep. And of course, a master would not have felt the need to hide her primary debates from the public, as Hillary did this time around.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  80. no washington wants certain things done, even when we don’t want to, robertscare, stimulus, the libyan incursion, the rhodes roadshow,

    narciso (d1f714)

  81. ’ll believe that horsesh*t, Dustin, when I see Trump physically collapse once, not even the multiple times Hillary Clinton has been photographed doing so.

    Colonel Haiku

    Yeah yeah yeah. The Team R thing. You reject, categorically, any discussion of the GOP guy’s flaws because HILLARY!

    Whether Hillary’s health is great or awful has nothing to do with Trump’s health. Hillary’s collapse at the memorial is a valid issue, but is it as serious as mentally collapsing and being incoherent throughout the presidential debate?

    Trump’s displays remarkable megalomania. A few months ago there were some (tabloidish) stories about how Trump was diagnosed with metabolic disorder in the 1990s by a doctors who treated that with amphetamines (lawfully prescribed). But the real evidence is what we’ve already seen in Trump’s sociopathic treatment of anyone in his way and his paranoid and extreme insecurity. I paid that stuff no more stock than the tabloid stuff Trump was using against his foes, but I do have some curiosity now.

    I’m very biased against Trump, due to his incredibly immoral history. I’ve never abused drugs and perhaps I’m just off base due to this inexperience. But there’s something incredibly alien to me about Trump’s behavior and I’m morbidly curious as to the reason. Drugs would kinda be a comforting explanation.

    All that said, But but but Hillary is the excuse for everything I could ever say about Trump. That won’t get you guys across the finish line in November.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  82. Trump is an ignorant buffoon who couldn’t win a high school debate against a freshman. He proved it last night and he will prove it again next time.

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  83. I agree with Demosthenes. Hillary was very meh last night. She merely survived 90 minutes and paid attention to what was going on and what her talking points were.

    But that was the better performance of the two by far.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  84. @ Bob23, #96:

    But Trump is a first time debater (in this style) and he held his own.

    For the first half-hour, he more than held his own. And I say this as someone who remains Never Trump…he actually goaded Hilary into making a few flubs, and for a few minutes I thought he was going to run away with the night. But as the debate went on, Trump got more and more erratic, and Hillary started needling him into some unforced errors. Those last ten minutes were really rough to watch. You could see the Cheshire cat grin on Hillary’s face as she realized she was going to make it out of the night with, at worst, a draw. And I say that as someone who remains Never Hillary.

    Overall, I’d say it was a small win on points for Hillary, but it’snot going to move the needle much. It might stop her falling in the polls; it might slow Trump’s rise. But I’m fairly certain that, even if you disagree with me on that, you’ll agree that probably not many minds were changed. If you hated ’em, loved ’em, or didn’t care…you still do.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  85. no we go by evidence, and there is little, you would think wayne barrett would have turned up some in 30 years, he’s basically recycling the greatest hits before he started after guiliani,

    narciso (d1f714)

  86. which was why lester holt questioned him 7/1 he did red queen, now need I recall admiral ackbar,
    to see the next ambush is underway,

    narciso (d1f714)

  87. here’s a fun video even without sound

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  88. you know when it gets silly, when this fellow makes a lick of sense,

    https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/780892029656195076

    that’s when smod goes into a parking orbit,

    narciso (d1f714)

  89. R.I.P. Shimon Peres

    Icy (1dd25d)

  90. he was the godfather of their nuclear program, arranged the coordination with the brits and french on suez, before he became an old softy in the 70s

    narciso (d1f714)

  91. There is no way we can beat the Hillaryites. They are indomitable. Indefatigable. I was watching Bull and picked up my smart phone to play a game of solitaire. When I hit “deal” and an ad came up: Register to vote for Hillary. Help Hillary win Pennsylvania! Then it clicked to a voter registration form. The line for “Party Affiliation” was already filled out “Democratic” AND COULD NOT BE ERASED!! IOW, they would ONLY let a person register if they registered Democrat.

    Honest folks just can’t beat these people. If they’re signing kids up on games at their smart phones they must be signing up felons at the half way house and illegals at the welfare desk. Add multiple voting and dead people and they are unbeatable.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  92. Scott Adams:

    But the most interesting question has to do with what problem both of them were trying to solve with the debate. Clinton tried to look healthy, and as I mentioned, I don’t think she completely succeeded. But Trump needed to solve exactly one problem: Look less scary. Trump needed to counter Clinton’s successful branding of him as having a bad temperament to the point of being dangerous to the country. Trump accomplished exactly that…by…losing the debate.

    Trump was defensive, and debated poorly at points, but he did not look crazy. And pundits noticed that he intentionally avoided using his strongest attacks regarding Bill Clinton’s scandals. In other words, he showed control. He stayed in the presidential zone under pressure. And in so doing, he solved for his only remaining problem. He looked safer.

    By tomorrow, no one will remember what either of them said during the debate. But we will remember how they made us feel.

    Clinton won the debate last night. And while she was doing it, Trump won the election. He had one thing to accomplish – being less scary – and he did it.

    Adams has a different way of looking at things.

    FYI two days ago he endorsed Trump after being (allegedly) pro-Clinton to that point:

    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-endorsement-from-clinton-to

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  93. @94-Who, exactly, thinks Hillary Clinton is a masterful debater?

    Based on her sleep alone comment at the Benghazi hearing, and perhaps battery usage- she’s likely been de masterdebater of the household for years. But let’s ask Huma to verify.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  94. @ Dustin (#82): Thanks for the disclaimer, and yes, “despise” was an exaggeration.

    Further to my own comment above (#80), regarding the “exclusivity” commitment that Cruz got from Trump, it’s here, as part of the list announcement, and it includes this very clear and unequivocal sentence as part of a direct quotation from Trump’s own lips:

    This list is definitive and I will choose only from it in picking future Justices of the United States Supreme Court.

    Is it legally binding? No. Is it constitutionally enforceable? No. Can Trump be trusted to keep even unequivocal and clear promises (like the ones he originally made to release his taxes)? No. Does it even help to get them in a signed writing? No, ask the lenders who he sued to be released from his personal guarantees of the Chicago Trump International Hotel when his companies defaulted on their loans. If he can claim the 2009 real estate crisis was an “act of God,” I’m sure he can come up with some excuse when he breaks his word on this promise. (Most likely: “Ted Cruz should have helped me elect more Republican senators, now I have to compromise with Chuck Schumer and so I’m appointing [David Souter clone] instead of anyone on my list.”)

    But look: As an advocate and a negotiator, I’ve established to my own satisfaction the value of doing everything possible to pin down — and then to make an indisputable record of the pinning down — of people whom I was sure I was going to see on the witness stand again, at which point they were more than likely going to change their stories materially and quite possibly lie outright.

    Cruz did a workmanlike political job here. Mike Pence, as intermediary, is the unimpeachable corroborator if there’s every any future backtracking about the terms of the deal from Trump.

    One last point: Making a spirited attack on Hillary Clinton or the progressive movement or the Democratic Party — even while Donald Trump is the GOP’s presidential nominee — is not at all the same thing as making insincere statements praising Donald Trump. But I expect the eeyores to bleat that Cruz is only doing that, and only supporting other GOP federal and state candidates up and down the list, because he’s sold out and he’s cynical and he’s just another lying politician. Bah, humbug on that.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  95. Scott Adams is a troll who’s all about building the Scott Adams commercial brand by drafting off Trump.

    Can’t stand the guy.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  96. Rush said the donks farked with the gain on Trump’s mic.

    Living in Sacramento with the “random” open mic on the floor of the Assembly trick, always catching a Republican in a compromising moment, never the other party, despite corrupt and crooked being their universal trait, it’s not hard to believe.

    So I’m calling shenanigans.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  97. Everyone I talk to here in California seems to be in one of two camps: airhead LIV (“let’s make history again”) or disgusted (“what a terrible choice we have been given”). Then again, you’d be nuts to be loudly for Trump here, so maybe some are lying.

    But the race is running on pure inertia. Zombie voting. Very few (the SJWs and the Good ol’ Boys) are happy about the contest. If Hillary can’t close it here, she can’t close it anywhere. I suspect it’s the same for Trump in Texas. They’ll vote for him, sure, but only for a lack of choices.

    This contest is still ripe for an October Surprise.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  98. I agree with Demosthenes. Hillary was very meh last night. She merely survived 90 minutes and paid attention to what was going on and what her talking points were.

    But that was the better performance of the two by far.

    Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/27/2016 @ 6:33 pm

    Lol… I bet you guys were big fans of animatronics like they did with the “Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln” exhibit at Disneyland. Priceless!

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  99. well westworld is coming back so it seems fitting, although this time they take the side of the androids, some sprockets matter,

    narciso (d1f714)

  100. Masturbator yes, master debater, no…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  101. Look at Beldar, jumping to conclusions about Old Man Cruz.

    Exactly nobody accused Rafael of being accessory to the JFK assassination, but it’s awfully convenient for closet Clinton supporters to push that fib rather than promote their girl honestly, out in the open.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  102. Scott Adams is a troll who’s all about building the Scott Adams commercial brand by drafting off Trump.

    Can’t stand the guy.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 9/27/2016 @ 8:15 pm

    The idea that identifying with Trump helps his brand makes NO sense to me.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  103. @ Gerald A, #119:

    The idea that identifying with Trump helps his brand makes NO sense to me.

    Really? Because it makes sense to me. Every time he says something about how Trump is an nth-level rhetorical genius, he draws controversy. Controversy draws eyeballs. Eyeballs mean publicity. Publicity drives name recognition — and perhaps sales, which Adams has always been about, being a builder of his own brand, NTTAWWT.

    How does this NOT make sense to you? Was this not a major element of Trump’s winning the nomination in the first place — saying pot-stirring stuff, and getting free airtime as a consequence?

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  104. Nor I, Gerald. And I like the guy.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  105. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, and Scott Walker would have each wiped the floor with Hillary last night.
    Who were the people during the primaries telling us that Trump was a sure thing in the general election?

    papertiger, where have you and your buddy ropelight been the past couple months? You’ve been leaving all the heavy lifting to those of us who had Trump as #17 on our list of hopeful nominees! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  106. I’m very biased against Trump, due to his incredibly immoral history. I’ve never abused drugs and perhaps I’m just off base due to this inexperience. But there’s something incredibly alien to me about Trump’s behavior and I’m morbidly curious as to the reason. Drugs would kinda be a comforting explanation.

    I’m biased against Trump due to his incredible ignorance, unjustified arrogance, unsuitability for the job, and for destroying the GOP chances this cycle. But I DO have quite a bit of knowledge about substance abuse, particularly speed and coke, mostly from an observational POV. I have never gotten that impression from Trump.

    Further, I find it hard to believe that a candidate with as many enemies as Trump could possibly keep such a DEMANDING addiction secret from any length of time. It is as demanding and relentless as smoking. It is one of a very few things that would get the GOP to toss him from the ticket, and there are many who would wish that very much.

    Nope. Not possible in a fishbowl with so many enemies watching.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  107. @ Gerald A, #119:

    The idea that identifying with Trump helps his brand makes NO sense to me.

    Really? Because it makes sense to me. Every time he says something about how Trump is an nth-level rhetorical genius, he draws controversy. Controversy draws eyeballs. Eyeballs mean publicity. Publicity drives name recognition — and perhaps sales, which Adams has always been about, being a builder of his own brand, NTTAWWT.

    How does this NOT make sense to you? Was this not a major element of Trump’s winning the nomination in the first place — saying pot-stirring stuff, and getting free airtime as a consequence?

    Demosthenes (09f714) — 9/27/2016 @ 8:38 pm

    Eyeballs? His blog is not some huge revenue generator. Ever heard of DILBERT? That’s his revenue generator.

    Gerald A (a48c32)

  108. @ the Colonel, #115:

    I actually don’t like animatronics. But I’m not a big fan of incoherent craziness, either.

    And for the record, Dustin and I actually don’t agree on how Hillary did last night. I think she won the debate by just a bit, though she certainly lost the first half-hour. But I wouldn’t say hers “was the better performance of the two by far.” When Trump was driving in those little barbs, she totally failed to handle it well. When she stood back and let Trump ramble for a couple minutes at a stretch, though, she started doing much better — if only because she did what she’s done all election season to date (get out of the way, and count on her opponents to sink themselves). Again, her smile toward the end of the debates said it all. She knew she was going to come out just fine at that point.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  109. Howard Dean. Class act all the way. He personifies the fevered, contemporary Democrat.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  110. please obama’s the most alien in terms of basic reactions, not birthplace, red queen is nearly as robotic, unsympathetic delusional, trump is your typical flamboyant businessman, what’s so surprising about that,

    narciso (d1f714)

  111. and he almost did win the nomination, and they thought his crazy was important enough to give him the party chair, he infused the infrastructure of the party with the strigoi blood of the nutroots, who are one part 9/11 denialist, take mark cuban, extreme libertine, same guy, anti police, anti military, anti faith, well that’s a big pie,

    narciso (d1f714)

  112. @ Gerald A, #124:

    Yes, I know what Dilbert is. Do you understand the concept of freebie marketing? Because if it doesn’t make sense to you why someone would try and drive traffic to their (free) blog, and then attempt to redirect a portion of that traffic to the thing that makes them money, then I’m not sure I can help you.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  113. They were both meh, but Trump – for all his many faults… and he does have many – at least appeared to be from our species. Hillary Clinton is a basket case that has to be propped up, medicated and only God knows what else.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  114. Drafting off isn’t the same thing as identifying with. Please read closely before you carp at me.

    Just look at his circulation/pageviews in the past year. Ask yourself how many times before this year you saw a cartoonist quoted or linked on major media sources for something completely unrelated to his cartoons.

    He’s a lamprey. That’s my opinion, you are free to put the guy’s face on your t-shirt if you want and buy his books or subscribe to his newspapers, whatever floats your boat.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  115. it’s just bizarre, of course lester holt started the debate with a minitrue press release, and trump through the red pill out there,

    narciso (d1f714)

  116. how often does a minimally talented singer or actress, throw their two cents into the mix, and the press react with baited breath, by contrast anyone who comes out publically for trump, in the arts and culture community have to face a hailstorm,

    narciso (d1f714)

  117. Sorry, that was intemperate. Let’s try this:

    Please read closely before you carp at me before you attempt to engage me in a civil discussion based on something I’ve written.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  118. Look at her eyes… when my children were much younger, for their amusement, I used to look at them cross-eyed and then let one eye slowly move laterally until it was looking in the same direction as the other. She does it without trying and it’s unsettling in a candidate running for the office of president, to say the least.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  119. good gravy, every public statement, she has made in the last five years has been a lie, (the lillian hellman) she has amassed a private fortune, trading on her office, and inviting every mobster oligarch warlord on three continents, perhaps four, to compromise our entire diplomatic strategy, you can’t get all the blood from cyrenaica to the niger river basin that she has enabled, broken agreements, ask the ukrainians the value of the 94 agreement,

    narciso (d1f714)

  120. Also @ Gerald A, #124:

    Here’s evidence for what I’m talking about. I went over to his blog, and then clicked through to the comics section. The comics are free too, of course. But mixed in with them are a couple of posts. One from September 19 is a perfect example of what I’m talking about. It implies that Adams saw Trump’s rise coming, by quoting something he had written previously. The intent here is to make you think that Adams is a genius, or at least a very smart fellow. And what do we find right below that? A suggestion to buy his latest book, and a link to Amazon.

    I used to be quite a fan of both Dilbert and Adams. Not so much either anymore…but there’s nothing mysterious about why he’s doing what he’s doing here.

    Demosthenes (09f714)

  121. the earlier example explains the odd reaction to boko #diplomacy, the enduring agony that haiti probably hasn’t suffered since the time of the filibusters, of course the whole sad pocket war in libya, that fed into syria, and worked it’s way back onto european shores, right out of the headline,

    narciso (d1f714)

  122. yeargh by virtue of the connections I have laid out, is willing to yell squirrel, and you’ll bite on it, like the mossasaurus in jurassic world at feeding time,

    narciso (d1f714)

  123. these are the things that are on the table, mostly because ‘bothan spies’ hackers brought the information to us, the congressional committees, rarely seriously investigated, the fbi don’t get me started, most major media is focused on syria, like they were on the balkans two decades and they miss the story,

    narciso (d1f714)

  124. The flame of revolution is coming. The only thing we don’t know is the spark.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  125. 138… true that, narciso!

    Colonel Haiku (5328f3)

  126. 144… I agree with that. ag80. I’ve been conversing with a niece about the current election climate, the need to cut thru the incessant bullsh*t put out by the media, the Democrat Party, Hollywood, etc… a hard rain’s gonna fall, sooner than later.

    Colonel Haiku (5328f3)

  127. Told her that the youth in SoCal may be among the last to feel it. But it will be felt.

    Colonel Haiku (5328f3)

  128. Just for old times sake… http://ace.mu.nu/archives/hellen%20thomas.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  129. by ctluthu’s beard, why for the love of pete,

    narciso (d1f714)

  130. MICHAEL BARONE: Did Trump deconstruct Hillary among “marginal” voters? In this column Barone reassesses his original assessment of the debate. Read the whole thing…

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/michael-barone-did-trump-deconstruct-hillary-among-marginal-voters-in-this-column-barone-reasses/

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  131. Let her haunt you I your dreams…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  132. it’s like the creature from lake placid, all three films,

    narciso (d1f714)

  133. Worth a watch and a listen… James T. Harris… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aG4cSui3zbs

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  134. More like The Dark Crystal that used to scare our young’uns…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  135. Am disappointed hf didn’t connect the sniffing to a blown out depends on HRC.
    Or did I miss it?
    Sometimes hf is too clever and one slips by me.

    The is one poster that makes me want to write “pop goes the weasel” every time I see they have a new post. Posts well written, but often littered with passive aggressive and obvious attempts at sly, deniable insinuation… you know, weaseling.

    Sometimes I think it’s hf’s good sibling. The one that Mom taught to use capitals, punctuation, full sentences and innuendo rather than truncating the post to the point: “nasty pantsuit pee stank” like the bad brother does.

    which one is more honest and honorable ask myself. hmmmm, I can’t say. better to blame it on the two buffoons running neither of whom seems honest or honorable. they’ve set a low bar when it comes to behavior and who can blame the partisan whose persona begins to morph into the worst of hrc and her surrogates… or djt with his bombast.

    when did my country fill itself with trigger warned snowflakes and weasels

    steveg (5508fb)

  136. Anyone think Hillary bombed with her “racist” meme?

    what is my ip (de59ed)

  137. Ed Cox, Nixon’s son-in-law:

    People say there’s no way that Donald Trump is going to carry New York. That’s the cognoscenti. The fact is, it feels like – I was around in 1980, and no one thought Ronald Reagan would carry New York. But you felt, underneath all the commentary, there’s a real brush fire going on among the working men and women of the state. And Ronald Reagan won in 1980, therefore. I’m surprised in New York State.

    You feel the same thing now. Look, we’ve got ten really crucial congressional races going on here. We’ve picked up more members of Congress in New York State than any other state, over the last six years, an important part of our majority. As I feel what’s going on in those areas, and how Donald Trump will affect them in our crucial races, even in unexpected areas like the mid-Hudson area, he’s doing very well. He is helping our candidates.

    So it has the feeling of 1980 to it, where there’s a potential for him to carry even New York, which means even though it looks like a horse race now, it could be a Ronald Reagan 1980 kind of blowout.

    Trump is within the margin of error in PA.

    DNF (755a85)

  138. 150. The #nevertrump dinosaurs are going to be more extinct than paleoconservatives in four years.

    There is no way with the coming landslide McConnell will oppose judge appointments and the Collins and Murkowskis in his cartel of DIABLOS will be cowed early.

    DNF (755a85)

  139. 123. “I’m biased against Trump due to his incredible ignorance, unjustified arrogance, unsuitability for the job, and for destroying the GOP chances this cycle.”

    Trumps rise is “lifting all boats”, look at Cox’s quote.

    Mr. M.’s prognostications go down the rabbit hole and will never be recalled by himself. He’s a friggin’ legend in his what passes for ‘mind’.

    DNF (755a85)

  140. Kevin, thanks for the point about Trump and his fishbowl. It’s a compelling argument. That and Beldar’s reaction to the cocaine claim give me great pause that my claim was out of line (though it was actually quite sincere).

    At any rate, I’m tired of being ticked off at Trump. As I said above, hate is like drinking poison and hoping the other guy dies. Thinking about Trump so negatively does me absolutely no good, even though it’s hard to ignore that this election, Trump v Hillary represents a significant and depressing point in our nation’s history.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  141. Mr. Trump is surmounting the obstacles

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  142. If you’ve anger, focus it at the people who deserve it in spades…

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440382/white-working-class-deplorables-clingers-elites-obama-hillary-clinton

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  143. “That’s probably good. I’d rather see Kaine take over as soon as possible.”

    My God, man, what won’t you wish for!

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  144. “Raphael Cruz protesting Batista in Austin Texas circa 1959 (red arrow points to Cruz)

    See that guy carrying the Cuban flag. You see him right? Why was that guy handing out leaflets with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans on Aug 9th 1963, along with the guy who YOU insist isn’t Ted’s father”

    – papertiger, 7/21/16

    “Exactly nobody accused Rafael of being accessory to the JFK assassination.”

    – papertiger, 9/28/16

    As effortless in your revisionism as your pumpkin-headed idol.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  145. Watch this video of Hillary Clinton: ‘’Why aren’t I 50 points ahead’ of Trump?” It’s about one minute long. As many have said, never mind the audio, turn the sound off, watch her face and gestures.

    http://youtu.be/_T8tMk-ZOx8

    Scary, isn’t it? Like some wacko doing a Hillary impression. Every few seconds she flickers in and out of a micro-trance where her face goes blank as if she were confused and disoriented, “where am I … what was I doing?” Then she picks up where she left off and resumes talking. Her gestures look robotic, like amateur animation, close but not quite right. Macabre but do cast your vote for her, you deranged sods…

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  146. Trump in a landslide.

    mg (31009b)

  147. narciso (d1f714) — 9/27/2016 @ 9:05 pm

    she has amassed a private fortune, trading on her office,

    But that’s OK, since she disclosed the facts that would lead you to that conclusion, unlike Donald Trump, who’s hiding his income tax returns.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)

  148. Exodus 20:16 Levi. Read. Ponder. Hold it close to your heart.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  149. Thank you, Leviticus, for doing the Googling I was tempted to do when I read paperpuddy’s comment.

    These Trumpkin shills are fish in a barrel, but eventually one gets tired of such easy targets and ends up letting them just sliver away. You’re high-energy! Bravo. 😀

    Beldar (fa637a)

  150. fish in a barrel

    Canadian Cruz calls that breakfast.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  151. Cruz offers to help Trump prep for next debate

    ….and the wife and father are oh so so proud….

    No thanks.

    “Love For Sale.”– Cole Porter, 1930

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  152. I’m searching the memory. Was there ever a time when the closeted for Hillary crud, and or the media, thought Trump won a debate?

    I was gone for a while, so I might have missed it if it happened.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  153. * crowd.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  154. It’s just the elections that Trump wins. Way I remember.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  155. Not even Trumpbart for the last one.

    Hillary’s debate win from seven scientific* polls:

    Morning Consult +23
    YouGov +16
    CNN +35
    PPP +11
    Gravis/Breitbart +5
    Echelon +26
    NBC/SM +31

    *conducted using standard statistical methodology.

    Rick Ballard (67b11b)

  156. Re the compulsive liar who posted #171 above, he’s given us another fine example of him just flat misrepresenting the facts. The actual Q&A, with surrounding context, was this:

    HH: This threat to the 2nd Amendment, the overturning of Heller, the threat to the 10th Amendment and the overturning of all federalism jurisprudence of which Justice Kennedy is a part. All of that goes out, and the expansion of the regulatory state is unchecked and it’s exponential in its growth. Given that, will you be out campaigning for Donald Trump? And if they ask you to help with debate prep, would you do so?

    TC: I am happy to help. I have conveyed that to them. I will do whatever I can to defeat Hillary Clinton. My heavy focus this cycle, in addition to defeating Hillary, is on preserving a Republican majority in the Senate, and I am working hard to help my colleagues get reelected. I’m working hard to raise money for them, to help turn out conservatives in their state. And then I’m also working hard in the state of Texas to turn out conservatives, because if conservatives stay home this cycle, we could see really bad results on down ticket ballots, on judicial races, on state rep races. I don’t want to see that happen. So I’m going to do everything I can to urge conservatives to come out and vote, even if they may not be thrilled at the candidates on the ballot. I’m urging them to come out and vote anyway, because the consequences of staying home, I think, are really quite significant.

    The liar who posted #171 above takes a hypothetical question about “debate preparation” and treats that hypothetical question as if it were a direct answer from Cruz, describing an offer he had made to Trump. It wasn’t. Cruz didn’t address that particular issue (debate preparation), and only said that he had conveyed to Trump (presumably through Pence) that he (Cruz) was “happy to help.” But Cruz then pointedly went into detail about the non-hypothetical help he actually is rendering down-ticket for other GOP candidates.

    This is another fine example of how the people who most vigorously and consistently accuse Cruz of falsehoods or even insincerity instead only demonstrate themselves to be compulsive liars. This is true of Donald Trump. It’s true of almost the entire media. And it’s certainly true of the troll who posted #171 above.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  157. Haiku,

    I agree with anyone who observes that many of Trump’s fans are indeed deplorable people. Hillary and Mitt Romney both take flack for calling it like it is on a significant percentage of the voting population, but that doesn’t mean their aren’t such folks out there.

    I would prefer Kaine to Clinton in the White House. I question the sanity of anyone who doesn’t. Obviously I’d rather Pence than Kaine, but to answer your question, one thing I won’t wish for is the Trump ticket winning. That’s the ticket David Duke is voting for. It’s unfortunate that you have to choose between Jeremiah Wright or David Duke as bedfellows, but you made your choice and I made mine. Nobody gets to vote without some real disappointment this year, except of course those deplorables on both sides.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  158. david duke, is a punk chased out of at least two continents, even his hosts in tehran, look at him crosseyed, like the guest that won’t leave, however in the 90s, when political correctness,
    wasn’t nearly as stultifying as now he gained an audience and his supporters ended up with the successor to edwards, and governor blanco,

    narciso (d1f714)

  159. Trump can’t do anything about a mope like Duke voting for him any more than Hillary Clinton can prevent the Revolutionary Communist Party’s support for the Clinton/Kaine ticket. You choose evil, it’s on you.

    Colonel Haiku (d0a528)

  160. This YouTube shows the collusion between Hillary and Lester Holt.

    Everytime Hillary scratches her nose it signals Holt to cut Trump off and soft pitch it over to Hillary for one of her prescripted memorized zingers.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  161. The shakey Hillary bit highlighted by Pat ( http://patterico.com/2016/09/26/shaky-hillary-reappears-in-debate-whoo-okay/ ) was the one time Trump refused to allow the mic back to Holt, interrupting the relevance of Hillary’s zinger she had prepared for Trump attacking her on stamina, fitness for office.

    papertiger (82d7e8)

  162. Its hard for many of us to tell who won the debate, because we are so familiar with many of the faults of both nominees, so if something is demonstrated very clearly, it doesn’t add anything new. Of course, Donald Trump isn’t all that well informed, and is mean and uncaring. Of course Hillary Clinton makes some unfounded charges. It has no shock value. We may notice better what they say about public issues.

    Sammy Finkelman (fbd892)


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