Idiot: “Nazi Who Originated Donald Trump Jr.’s Skittles Analogy Was Hanged at Nuremberg”
I hate this person (Naomi LaChance at the Intercept) for forcing me to defend a Trump.
DONALD TRUMP JR.’S tweet comparing Syrian refugees to Skittles has deep roots. The concept dates back at least to 1938 and a children’s book called Der Giftpilz, or The Toadstool, in which a mother explains to her son that it only takes one Jew to destroy an entire people.
The book’s author, Julius Streicher, also published a newspaper that Adolf Hitler loved to read, Der Stürmer. The newspaper published anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, anti-communist, and anti-capitalist propaganda. In 1933, soon after Hitler took power, Streicher used his newspaper to call for the extermination of the Jews.
German Propaganda Archive Hitler said: “One must never forget the services rendered by the Stürmer … Now that Jews are known for what they are, nobody any longer thinks that Streicher libelled them.”
Streicher was hanged at Nuremburg in 1946 for crimes against humanity.
Oh Good Lord. Naomi LaChance, grow up.
This was Donny Jr’s tweet:
This image says it all. Let's end the politically correct agenda that doesn't put America first. #trump2016 pic.twitter.com/9fHwog7ssN
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) September 19, 2016
Whether you agree with his point or not (I do), nobody can possibly deny that this is a reasonable analogy. With polls showing 13% of Syrian refugees are ISIS sympathizers, a policy of letting in thousands of Syrian refugees is very likely to let in some terrorists.
Claiming that anyone who makes the point “a small minority can be dangerous” is JUST FOLLOWING THE NAZI PLAYBOOK ABOUT JEWS!!!!11!!!!!!1! is typical leftist idiocy.
It is, in fact, the type of idiocy that helps Trump get elected. So be proud, Naomi LaChance. You’re doing your part.
What a maroon.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/20/2016 @ 6:57 pmyou think it’s easy to make vox seem wise, the publisher of the intercept, really picks them,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 7:01 pmWatch Hillary’s left eye, the one she wore the fresnel lens over during her Benghazi testimony B4 Congress:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-20/trump-regaining-north-carolina-lead-hillary-unexpectedly-postpones-local-fundraiser-
So she is strung together with bailing wire.
DNF (755a85) — 9/20/2016 @ 7:27 pmDONALD TRUMP JR.’S tweet comparing Syrian refugees to Skittles has deep roots. The concept dates back at least to 1938 and a children’s book called Der Giftpilz, or The Toadstool, in which a mother explains to her son that it only takes one Jew to destroy an entire people.
No.
It goes back to a 1951 Pulitzer Prize winning novel- later popularized in a 1954 film:
“Ah, but the strawberries, that’s, that’s where I had them, they laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, with geometric logic…”
“I kid you not.”– Captain Queeg [Humphrey Bogart] Caine Mutiny, 1954.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/20/2016 @ 7:56 pmI embrace our host’s observations and adopt them as my own. Playbook, indeed.
The proper party to take offense at Donnie Jr’s Tweet is The Wrigley Company, a division of Mars, Incorporated, which makes Skittles. (Mars is entirely owned by the Mars Family.) Donnie could, and should — and would, if he were actually a serious businessman with a clue about how actual businesses build and cherish their reputations — have said “bowl of candy” while still making exactly the same point. Skittles is a valuable registered tradename. In the constipated language used by IP lawyers, Donnie has misappropriated and publicly used that tradename for a political purpose without license or permission. Taken literally, he has suggested that some Skittles are deadly. If Donnie had said “one can of Coca-Cola in the carton,” I doubt the Coca-Cola company would have been happy either. Will Mars sue? Probably not, although they might send a nasty-gram.
But other than for intellectual property purposes, no — Donnie’s Tweet was not inherently racist or fascist or whatever. Hitler liked dogs, so do I, but I am not a Nazi. If someone wants to try to prove that about Donnie, this doesn’t do it.
*****
Tonight I’ve been watching S1E18 & S1E19, the two most recent episodes of HBO’s “The Circus,” which I occasionally find infuriating, but always find compellingly watchable. The jaw-dropper for me tonight was when Halperin was interviewing Andrea Mitchell, who’ll be a debate moderator. Halperin intro’d the segment by saying he’d been her protege and that she is legendary, etc. Then (my transcript, my italics):
Halperin changed the subject. Left unexamined: Why is Andrea Mitchell already marshalling Hillary Clinton’s apology for her even before the debate airs? Why is she repeatedly and conspicuously self-identifying with Hillary Clinton? Is there a different standard for men and women candidates? If a male candidate who’d been diagnosed with pneumonia, decided to press on to the point of collapse and convalescence, what does that show about his judgment? What does it show about hers? Male or female, do you want the President of the United States to try to be superman or superwoman to the point of collapse and convalescence at public events?
Not that this is surprising in the least. Trump should just be glad it’ll be Mitchell, who’s predictable, instead of someone like, oh, hmm, I dunno, say … Megyn Kelly.
Also on “The Circus,” there was some great footage of Pence, both private & public. His public spiel is a refreshing contrast to Trump’s: Authentic, but contained and naturally dignified. I may actually look forward to the Veep debates with something other than overwhelming disgust and horror.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:11 pmgood gravy, it’s embarassing beyond measure, nothing to fear, martha raddatz, hack extraordinaire, will be doing double duty, attacking pence and covering for kaine,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:14 pmIt’s like they can’t figure it out. When the thing they last tried fails they just try it again.
This was dumber then when they showed us nudes of Melania. Yeah, I’m sure that cost Trump a lot of votes…
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:34 pm“I’M GUESSING THAT HE USED IT FOR THAT PRECISE REASON: Donald Trump Jr.’s Skittles Comparison Used to Be a Feminist Meme About Men and Rapists.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/244412/
Colonel Haiku (7caebd) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:53 pmSo, when Hillary says that fully HALF of Trump supporters are dangerous, she’s a super-uber-Nazi. Got it.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:56 pmwell you’re not suppose to extrapolate that way, bad ubu, sit,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:00 pmYou know, Trump is not 100% against the media, but he is very good at making them look biased and stupid.
Again, try to picture Jeb in his place.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:07 pmKeeping with the hard-coated candy theme, the source of this meme is a male feminist comedian on Tumblr who used the analogy of poisoned M&Ms and rapists.
(No, I’m not making that up.)
Xmas (3a75bb) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:12 pmThe only people who thought Jeb! had a chance were the MSM and Trump propagandists, birm.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:14 pmright that’s why they ponied up 150 million dollars in early money,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:17 pm@Kevin M:he only people who thought Jeb! had a chance were the MSM and Trump propagandists, birm.
Then who donated $150 million to nominate him? Wasn’t his own money.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:20 pmnarcisco beat me to it. Ted Cruz, last man standing, didn’t make Jeb’s total.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:21 pmAbove-referenced (#5) nastygram from the makers of Skittles.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:24 pmthey thought they could play the romney playbook, not realizing the playing field had changed utterly,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:25 pmTrust the Washington Post to ignore the Streisand Effect, thinking they are somehow scoring off Trump in so doing.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:27 pmThere’s no single source. You can find M&M metaphors and analogies that predate Skittles. Skittles are even more brightly colored, they’ve grown into the colored-candy metaphor of choice. It’s something called “open and obvious”: the metaphor works even if no one has specifically suggested, pointed out to you, or set a precedent for saying on the internet that “Hey, those are a bunch of multi-colored candies we eat by the handful.”
This is all nonsense about nonsense on stilts.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:32 pmOmidyar, that’s the name that was on the tip of the tongue, who hired and fired matt taibbi, who has proved a mostly dependable hack at Rolling Stone,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:35 pmCf. apples, barrels, Ben Franklin writing that “the rotten apple spoils his companion.” Obviously racist on its face, I guess.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:35 pmillustrating absurdity by being absurd,( remember him?)
https://twitter.com/GodfreyElfwick/status/778146801312563200
narciso (d1f714) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:39 pm@Beldar:There’s no single source. You can find M&M metaphors and analogies that predate Skittles.
I always used poisonous mushrooms for those sorts of analogies.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:56 pmHaving said something good about Pence already tonight, I’ll share another conclusion I came to over the weekend, watching the Sunday morning talking head shows: Kelly Anne Conway is far and away the most effective Trump surrogate ever. Whatever else she’s doing with/for the campaign, in that role she is just flat out gifted. She tap-danced on Chuck Todd’s forehead. I ran some of the interchanges back; they break down into a clear pattern: By the time Todd finished a question, she had formulated a one-sentence verbal elbow to reject whatever the unfair premise to the question was (there is always an unfair premise to any Chuck Todd question to any GOP candidate), and then she pivots at lightspeed to what it is that she planned to say before he opened his mouth. I can certainly see why she & Ted Cruz got along.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:58 pmMr. Hanna, were I a better Bible scholar or a more diligent internet researcher, there are likely antecedents there too.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:59 pmIf you’re actually really interested in the Nuremberg Trials as trials, at a granular level — you know, what the evidence was, who the lawyers for both sides were, who the judges were, how the prosecution & defense team members did or didn’t get along — this is a pretty good book: The Nuremberg Trial, by Ann Tulsa (2010).
Skittles weren’t mentioned.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:03 pm@Beldar:were I a better Bible scholar or a more diligent internet researcher, there are likely antecedents there too.
2 Kings 4:39-40
Then one went out into the field to gather herbs, and found a wild vine and gathered from it his lap full of wild gourds, and came and sliced them into the pot of stew, for they did not know what they were. So they poured it out for the men to eat. And as they were eating of the stew, they cried out and said, “O man of God, there is death in the pot.” And they were unable to eat.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:13 pm@Bob23: As I get older I think the Nuremberg trials did more harm than good. For one, the Soviets got the Nazis blamed for some of their war crimes, and a lot of them ought to have been in the dock. For two, we punished some of the German military for using the same tactics we did (Doenitz, unrestricted submarine warfare). Three, we confused war with moral crusades. The Nazis were awful and we sided with the only power on earth even more evil. Which is fine, but we all lied to ourselves about what we did, with consequences that go on to this day–Communism has been spared its moral reckoning.
Not to mention we’re stuck with Nazis and neo-Nazis as stock movie villians.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:18 pm@ Bob23: That’s a terrific movie. I’ve watched it maybe 10 times, most recently this spring. It’s on most “best lawyer movie ever” lists. It’s not scrupulously accurate, but it’s still remarkably thoughtful and thought-provoking.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:29 pmPlus it still cracks me up to see Col. Klink.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:32 pmYou would probably enjoy that book, Mr. Hanna.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:35 pm“(T)ypical leftist idiocy?” How are those on the right not guilty of doing the same thing with their “alt-right” smear? Goose/Gander.
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:35 pmOnly caveat: It’s written by a Brit, and the British barristers’ viewpoint was quite distinct from their American, French, and Soviet counterparts. Perhaps its coincidence, but the British contingent generally comes off best in this account.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:36 pmWorse yet, Nuremberg seems to be the foundation for the fools who think that they can outlaw war, and they have begun their crusade in our country by emasculating our armed forces. The World Court has yet to stop any conflicts, and it seems to be rather toothless in their aftermath. A few men with knives have more significance today than all the lawyers who are seeking their place on the head of that particular pin.
BobStewartatHome (b41b89) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:39 pm@Beldar: I will check that book out. I read a lot of history.
@Bob23:Yes, life is very, very messy…So I think people lie to themselves and others consistently and constantly. It gives us hope, and hope is critical if humans are to endure.
I think truth is better than false hope, and that true hope is made, not given or found. And that comforting lies are most likely to lead to repeating mistakes.
I don’t blame people for being imperfect, and I don’t fault anyone who did their best in a bad situation with what they had the time. But I do think that a necessary evil must not be confused for a good, and that people should act with their eyes open and do their best to learn as much as they can.
Gabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 10:49 pmSyrians are a well-rounded, sweet and colorful people.
So what’s the beef?
Or is it just bull.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/21/2016 @ 1:21 amYou know, even if I had complete confidence that whatever ‘vetting’ of the refugees would catch 100% of the Islamist sympathizers, I would still oppose bringing in the refugees. Our real unemployment rate, U-6, stands at 9.7%, but Barack Hussein Obama wants to admit another 110,000 people, the vast majority of whom do not speak English, and lack the skills, other than manual labor, which are needed in the American economy. All of them will need to be fed and clothed and housed. Basically, with a large number of Americans already either unemployed or underemployed, our good President wants to admit yet another 110,000 welfare recipients! That’s just nuts.
Which is why it’s standard Democratic policy.
The economist Dana (f6a568) — 9/21/2016 @ 3:17 amEveryone should be prepared for violence in the near future. Make sure you have a few weeks worth of food and water, matches, batteries and bullets. The uni-party hacks will be in your area by election day. This will be the fight for FREEDOM.
mg (31009b) — 9/21/2016 @ 3:40 amHappy Trails.
But it was raaaaacist to use Skittles as the example, ’cause Skittles was what Trayvon Martin was going to buy.
The Dana who heard the dog whistle (f6a568) — 9/21/2016 @ 4:32 amThe lovely Miss LaChance wrote:
As noted here, variations on the expression “one bad apple spoils the whole bunch” have been around since the 19th century, if not earlier. Miss LaChance claiming that Herr Streicher was somehow the originator of the concept shows what a poor scholar she is; it took me all of two seconds to find the information, via Google.
The cunning linguist Dana (f6a568) — 9/21/2016 @ 4:40 amDana, you cunning linguist, you. I see what you did.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 5:53 amWhat? Who, me?
The baffled Dana (f6a568) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:21 amDana, it’s just $3 and Barry will forgive you.
Oh, and comparing the Jewish minority in Germany in 1938, who were peaceful, patriotic, hard working, and incapable of comprehending the danger they were in, to the influx of muslims who seek to conquer and dominate the West, is an intellectual failing that far surpasses the inability to see the appropriateness of the bad apple/poisoned candy metaphor. But if Miss LaChance has her liberal credentials in order, she is a closet anti-Semite who probably believes the Nazi propaganda from that era. Certainly any good progressive believes in the extermination of Israel even if they decline to be plain spoken about their support of what is politely considered the final solution.
BobStewartatHome (b41b89) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:23 amAre you planning to do this by your lonesome? Have you made friends with your neighbors? You can spend a few grand on a 1911 with all the bells and whistles or stock up on SKSs or Moisin Nagants or Spanish .308 Mausers.
You’re talking a campaign. Have you put any thought into this?
By the way, Campbell’s soup is no sale. 69 cents a can at Tom Thumb. If you are lazy. For economy’s sake I recommend:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1944-COOK-BOOK-OF-THE-UNITED-STATES-NAVY-WWII-RECIPES-COOKING-FOR-LARGE-GROUPS-/301818212634?hash=item4645c4711a
Trust me. Or don’t. You’ll make back the purchase price.
Then there are the latrines. You don’t want your troops getting sick, do you?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:50 amI recommend Excalibur crossbows.
http://excaliburcrossbow.com/
Because I don’t think I could survive the attention
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:53 amyes yes you have to fight for freedom
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:54 amI’ll make chocolate chip pancakes for the crew, if that’s what it takes
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 7:12 amThe corpsmen hated it when the Navy fed the Marines steak and eggs on D-day. I don’t know what else you can do, except men into battle on an empty stomach
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:01 amSorry. CORPSE-men. An Obamaism.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:03 amDue to the Walmart three wolf T-shirt and the electric scooter, I am now a sex object.
Thank you, 2016.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:23 amhttps://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Mb2d411f3d92f08065b479b79249f3e3fo0&pid=15.1
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:28 amThe Marines didn’t participate in the D-Day assault
Angelo (562b5c) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:30 amThe left uses (roughly) the same analogy the Donny used about gun ownership and they find it perfectly acceptable
Angelo (562b5c) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:38 amThree Skittles, eh? It took just one Trump to poison the GOP.
nk (dbc370) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:41 amMr. nk you are returned to us
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:46 amI was thinking of bloody Tarawa. Peleliu. There was more than one.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:53 amWith polls showing 13% of Syrian refugees are ISIS sympathizers, a policy of letting in thousands of Syrian refugees is very likely to let in some terrorists. I very seriously doubt 13% of all Syrians refugees support ISIS.
I don’t agree that the poll means what they say it means.
In fact that poll asked the question as to what their view of ISIS was.
83% – which is a very high number – said it was either “negative” or “negative to some extent.”
13% said it was positive” or “positive to some extent.”
How does that become 13% ISIS sympathizers?
That poll didn’t even ask if they were prefer ISIS to win, let alone if they would participate in or tolerate somebody else they knew practicism terrorism against civilians in foreign countries.
In fact, here’s the reason some people answered that their opinion was positive or positive to some extent: (the poll included 5,100 respondents in seven Arab countries and in Syrian refugee camps located Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey)
http://english.dohainstitute.org/content/6a355a64-5237-4d7a-b957-87f6b1ceba9b
You could try comparing it to other polls taken in other places because you can get numbers like that for anything, including Nazis.
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/42-percent-of-Austrians-think-Hitler-rule-wasnt-all-bad
So we should be looking for Austrians to start murdering Jews?
If this is the best argument anyone has taht some sSyrian refugees might be terrorists, it is a pretty poor argument because, if so, people identified as ISIS members should include people who turn out to come from Syria. But they don’t. ISIS doesn’t trust people from Syria.
One thing forgotten in all of this is that the terrorists have a security problem – it’s very hard for them to find people they can trust. Osama bin Laden used to vet the terrorists personally, and so also Anwar al-Awlaki. There are all kinds of circles within circles in terrorist organizations as they try to find out who is reliable.
The Syrian refugees coming in at this point are people who have bene in camps since before ISIS started telling people not to come to Syria and instead do things where they were, so they are pretty much totally excluded based on their known biography. At the time they left Syria, anyone synpathetic to ISIS would have been told to stay. Even later that’s just about thw e worst way to send someone, and ISIS woulsd no longer trust anyone after being out of touch for two years.
People in charge of ISIS are from Iraq, or from Gaza, or from the Gulf states, or maybe from the former Soviet Union, or second generation Moslems from Western Europe.
Syrians – I mean real Syrians – never get above the local level.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/21/2016 @ 9:08 amWelcome back, nk. Hope you are doing well.
Dana (995455) — 9/21/2016 @ 9:31 amI’m fine, thank you, Dana. Busy raising money to bribe the Cubs to throw the World Series.
nk (dbc370) — 9/21/2016 @ 9:58 amAnd here I was thinking the Cubs did this for free.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 10:04 amMr Finkelman, it doesn’t even matter if the Syrian refugees aren’t supportive of Da’ish; what matters is that bringing 100,000 Syrian refugees into the United States is bringing in 110,000 welfare recipients!
Our taxes are already too high; we don’t need to start adding more people to leech off of our tax dollars.
The economist Dana (f6a568) — 9/21/2016 @ 10:35 amThe economist Dana, it doesn’t even matter if they are welfare recipients or not, it’s the ideology behind progressive immigration policy that is the problem.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/20/hillary-clinton-record-on-visas/
LBascom (c230be) — 9/21/2016 @ 1:22 pmThe Marines didn’t participate in the D-Day assault
Angelo (562b5c) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:30 am
I was thinking of bloody Tarawa. Peleliu. There was more than one.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 8:53 am
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The U.S. Marines: when it absolutely, positively must be destroyed overnight.
Colonel Haiku (a74c52) — 9/21/2016 @ 1:28 pmNaomi has a false memory of history class in which they reviewed Jews indiscriminately killing German people
the wolf (f7979a) — 9/21/2016 @ 2:01 pmCoronello, you might want to ask Chesty puller about the US Navy.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 2:44 pmYou can’t, Coronello.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 2:46 pmChesty Puller.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 2:47 pmfuque you, basically.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 2:51 pm66. The economist Dana (f6a568) — 9/21/2016 @ 10:35 am
It shouldn’t do that, more than temporarily – the assistance cuts off pretty soon, maybe before they can get on their feet – if it is done properly. It doesn’t really do that, anyway.
If nothing else, meatpacking plants located far from major cities come to recruit them.
Obama’s doing this to set an example for Europe.
In the meantime his policy in Syria is pathetic. Thy narrowed down the list of suspects for the bombing of a UN aid convoy to Aleppo to…Russia. That wa sathe only plane in the air. But they are not accusing Russia yet. Maybe they missed a plane from some unknown military power.
The more the rest of the world is against both accepting refugees and intervening in Syria the more Syrians can be killed without causing problems for Assad, Russia and Iran, and I think they want to kill and starve enough so that people will have no more fight in them. They don’t really wantt o expel them because that creates enemies for the regime. It’s not genocide so much as metropocide.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/21/2016 @ 3:12 pmNaomi and all those other pretend lefties are actually on Trumps payroll, pass it on.
Anon (06555b) — 9/21/2016 @ 3:20 pmNew York Times bi-weekly or so update on Venezuela:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/world/americas/venezuela-oil-economy.html
There is not even enough drilling mud in one location to keep all of the rigs running. Now people are thinking or claiming that if Venezualan oil production collapses oil prices possibly could go up, although Venezuela accounts for only about 2% of the world’s
output, if at the same time something happened to cut production somewhere else, like in Nigeria or Iran.
That sounds far-fetched.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/21/2016 @ 3:21 pmSammy, and then there is this:
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/21/national-academies-study-shows-500-billion-immigration-tax-on-working-americans/
LBascom (c230be) — 9/21/2016 @ 4:32 pmhttp://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/09/21/navy-newest-destroyer-remain-virginia-repairs.html
Is anyone surprised by this?
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 4:35 pmAhh, well, the whole purpose of a shakedown cruise is to expose defects.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 4:37 pm@ Dana Who: Franklin was thought to be paraphrasing Shakespeare’s Taming of the Shrew, Act I, Scene 1:
The book I linked above on the Nuremburg Trials does address its long-term international, political, and moral implications, and reaches decidedly mixed conclusions. In some respects it was undeniably a triumph of civilization, diplomacy, and the rule of law. In others, not so much.
It benefits a great deal, like much recent scholarship about WW2 and its aftermath, from the fall of the Soviet Union and consequent opening of many Soviet records that had long been concealed from the west: We always knew the Soviet judges had orders from Moscow to go all-out for convictions and death sentences regardless of the evidence, because there was no other explanation for their verdicts. And yet even that had nuance, and there was an interesting and, ultimately, arguably an inspiring story of what went on behind the scenes of the Soviet delegation.
But a lot of what I enjoyed about the book was the level of detail on things like where the prisoners stayed, what they wore, and how they were guarded; how they chose their lawyers from among the alternatives available, and then how those lawyers and their clients got along with each other in and outside the courtroom; how the spectacular logistical challenges of conducting a multi-defendant multi-month public trial simultaneously in four spoken and even more written languages was managed; and many other details like these. There were unlikely and unknown heroes — among them, for instance, International Business Machines and its American civilian employees, whose brand-new prototype office dictation systems were re-purposed and rushed into heavy, sustained use for the running multi-channel multi-language simultaneous translations. Even the heaviest sledding — the long but essential discussion of the differences between the Anglo-American, Continental, and Soviet criminal justice systems, even in military court martial contexts — I found fairly engaging. But then I’m weird that way.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/21/2016 @ 4:53 pmA “leak” in the propulsion system. Detected by a crewman. Bath, Maine, to Naval Station Norfolk, Virginia. And your littoral warfare vessels are tied up at the dock. The military-industrial complex isn’t what it used to be.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 9/21/2016 @ 4:55 pmhow many trannies did they shake out is the question
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/21/2016 @ 4:58 pmspeaking of a bad batch of skittles
https://twitter.com/eksymons/status/778723393180868608
narciso (d1f714) — 9/21/2016 @ 5:19 pmso lone wolf isn’t really his bag, there as bad as the t-dawgs
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3799846/He-bad-connections-Neighbor-says-s-no-way-chicken-shop-terrorist-charged-using-weapon-mass-destruction-acting-alone.html#i-c911d76789232ce3
narciso (d1f714) — 9/21/2016 @ 5:21 pmIt’s ironic you mention it.
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/bt1-andrew-gallagher-risked-his-life-to-save-others-aboard-uss-belknap/
I was thinking of BT1 Gallagher.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 5:27 pmA leak under pressure, isn’t getting better.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 5:33 pmYes, the Belknap suffered major damage due to collision. But Gallagher fixed a leak. He didn’t let it go.
Steve57 (0b1dac) — 9/21/2016 @ 5:39 pmthey don’t seem to be furthering them the meme,
https://twitter.com/LisaDaftari/status/778638491982950400
btw the journal shows shout out to recently deceased al adnani, as well as awlaki and co, but that’s not listed on the charge sheet,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/21/2016 @ 5:42 pmLBascom (c230be) @77
Well, if you want o talk about that, then there’s this, which appeared today in the New York Times, and is a little bit more real although it pretends that if Trump is elected (or maybe that’s if some people got their way because that’s not even Trump’s policy) 11 million people would be deported and zero net immigration; and the other way, more refugees and some extra immigration, partivularly of families of people here – basically current law with some additions. And it gives projections both ways.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/business/immigration-reform-disparate-ideas-disparate-futures.html
The 5.2 percent tax Breitbart cites is a ridiculous fallacy which the report does not say. It says average wages will decline because there will be more low skilled workers in the United States but NOT that the average wage at nay skill level will decline.
The only effect would be maybe for low skilled workers, and it’s been measured, and it is sligght. and then it is not like Breitbart is for raising the minimum wage, so what are they talking about anyway. Doesn’t Breitbart believe that the minimum wage reduces employment, doesn’t give peole a start etc?
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:36 pm88.
Kishnevi (39af22) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:42 pmHeard that on NPR, with a rather different description. Thanks for clarifying.
NPR said “two well-dressed” men took out the pressure cooker and took the suitcase, implying they were just helping themselves to a free piece of luggage, and ran a quote from some NYPD type about how lucky they were the bomb didn’t go off while they were handling it. Two random guys taking the suitcase and innocently leaving the bomb behind, if you listened to NPR. My first thought was, “Wait, that sort of thing only happens in Miami!”
Here’s from the New York Times article:
Just the opposite of what Breotbart claims it says. Now there can be some argument about the Trans-Pacific Partnership and other trade agreements really brings benefits, because theer are all kinds of assumptions built into it.
It does assert alleged losses but they are are like pressure on land, housing and natural resources, and lower wages only for workers with scant education who compete directly with immigrants in the labor market. (although the effect is very small)
The New York Times artivle also says:
The political projections aren’t worth too much. The economic projections are more important. And it doesn’t read it like Breitbart.
So anyway they have:
Current projection: U.S. population: 345 million
Imaginary Trump: U.S. population: 323 million
Imaginary HRC: U.S. population: 360 million
This is all by Joseph Chamie.
Now it talks further: It also says:
Then it says some predictions were made by presidents in the past that didn’t turn out.
In 1965, the country was 84 percent white, 4 percent Hispanic and less than 1 percent Asian. Today it is 62 percent white, 18 percent Hispanic and 6 percent Asian. (I don’t think President Johnson [romised that it wouldn’t change. He promised that what wold happen would not reshape the structure of our daily lives. And basically, it didn’t.)
Reagan’s promise that there never would be more unauthorized immigrants wasn’t true, and any idiot could have told you it wouldn’t be true because the job ID requirements weren’t strong enough to accomplish that purpose and aonly a totalitarian state could do that. You’d have to eliminate all work off the books and punish households and small businesses. Ain’t gonna happen.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:44 pmBeldar (fa637a) — 9/20/2016 @ 9:35 pm
Not racist. The alternative is racist. That alternative would say high crime rates are inherent. Well, another alternative is a complete denial of reality.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/21/2016 @ 6:47 pmGabriel Hanna (7e037e) — 9/20/2016 @ 8:34 pm
The nudes of Melania was coupled with a story that the pictures were shot in the United States in 1995 which would have meant she violated immigration law. That was the real purpose of it.
But Melania says she never even entered the United States until 1996, and then she had a H1-B visa.
I don’t see amy actual claim by any known person that these pictures were shot in the United States in 1995, or any evidence to that effect beyond the story that accomplanied the pictures.
This is the latest maybe:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/melania-trump-immigration-letter-photographer-new-york-post
Conclusion: The leak of the photios was a Clinton dirty trick, and the aim was to claim that Melania Knauss had worked illegally in the United States, this exposing Donald Trump as a hypocrite, or something, because he wasn’t divorcing her.
Clinton wanted this 1995 date to appear in an impeccably non-friendly to HRC source.
Sammy Finkelman (dec35d) — 9/21/2016 @ 7:24 pm