The Time Patterico Got Pneumonia
I missed the first week of law school due to pneumonia. It was actually a relapse, because I didn’t take care of myself the way one should when one gets pneumonia. This causes me to say to Hillary Clinton: don’t try to power through pneumonia. It’s a bad, bad idea.
Several days before I was supposed to move in to my apartment in Austin and start law school, I was diagnosed with pneumonia. My friends from high school and I had planned to tube down the Brazos river just before school started, but it wasn’t clear whether I’d be able to make the trip, due to the pneumonia. When the time came, I really wanted to go, and I felt mostly better. So I went.
If you have never tubed down the Brazos, the idea is: you sit in a tube for several hours and you drink beer. It’s a lot of fun, but it’s not the best regimen for recovering from a serious illness like pneumonia.
My parents came down to see me off, and not long after they left, I felt awful. I made my way to the doctor, who told me that I’d had a relapse. I needed to get antibiotics and rest. As I rode the bus back to the stop near my apartment, I felt worse and worse. When I picked up the prescription at a drug store near my apartment, I was barely able to stand up. I had about a four-block walk to the apartment. I made it about half a block in the August heat, and ducked into a convenience store attached to a gas station. I walked to the back near the freezer and sat on the floor. Every so often I would open up the freezer and put my head partially inside.
I finally gathered the strength to walk the half block back to the drug store. I walked up to the prescription counter and told the very nice girl who had filled my prescription that I could barely stand up. Could she call me a cab? Instead she was nice enough to take a break and just drive me to my apartment herself. She could see how bad I was feeling — and it was Texas in 1990. People were friendly and caring.
I should note that, at the time, I was a very healthy young man. I was nearly 5’11” weighing a wiry 145 pounds, and jogged regularly.
My parents ended up returning to pick me up and take me back to Fort Worth to recuperate.
I had to get my homework from someone. The head of the TQ (a small section of students to which I had been assigned) found a young woman in the TQ, who was driving to Fort Worth that weekend to visit relatives, to call me with the assignments. When the phone rang, my sister Holly answered the phone, and — intrigued to hear a girl’s voice asking for her brother — nosily asked: may I tell him who is calling?
Her name was Christi. She is now Mrs. P.
Christi had worked up a whole scenario in her head about why I was in Fort Worth. The nosy woman who had answered the phone (my sister Holly), Christi decided, was really my wife. I wasn’t really that sick, she thought; I had just gotten homesick and missed my wife, who for reasons unknown was still living in Fort Worth.
It would make a great story to say that this episode of pneumonia is what brought Mrs. P. and me together, but I don’t think it was. A mutual love of ping pong and the same music probably had more to do with it. Among other things.
Anyway. My point is: pneumonia is to be taken seriously. You don’t just power through it. You don’t engage in photo ops with young girls and pretend like you’re fine until someone shoots a video showing you’re not.
And when someone asks what’s wrong, you tell them the truth.
Hillary still has a lot to learn. Frankly, at age 69, I don’t think she’ll ever learn what she needs to.
Ding.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:39 amI’m still not sure Hillary even has pneumonia. She’s got something, or several things, and she needs to hop off the train. She is endangering her life. I say this without rancor. Like you say, it’s just wrong to think you can power through illness. Nature is in control here, not Hillary.
I also think the DNC is thinking along the same lines today.
Patricia (5fc097) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:02 amAnd I still think you “met cute” even though you probably would have met her anyway since she was in your group! 🙂
Patricia (5fc097) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:02 amThis is a fine post, Patterico, without all the weirdness or ickiness that the political season seems to bring.
We all think we are strong, until we aren’t.
Thank you for sharing the story.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:14 ami hope you washed your hands
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:18 amWonderful story,
MD in Philly (7412ee) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:27 amBut I suspend judgment on what Clinton has.
There are many, many forms of “pneumonia”, some more serious and debilitating than others.
And I am not going to give a lecture on it.
(I heard that sigh of relief…)
“Tubing on the Brazos”??? Uh, no. Brazos River anywhere near Austin is nobody’s idea of a place for a tube float — muddy, slow moving, and no scenery to speak of, plus the mosquitos will eat you alive.
Methinks you meant the Guadalupe River, between Canyon Lake and New Braunfels. That’s where UT students go to tube.
LKB (738b91) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:58 amIs there any coven member who cares enough about Clinton to counsel against continuing the campaign due to potential permanent damage to her health? I doubt it. If Clinton is forced to withdraw, the coven will be dissolved and her sycophants will not be able to cash in for much more than they have already received. The video is good evidence of preparedness on the part of the coven in dealing with incidences of obvious ill health. I wonder if everyone on the campaign staff watches Weekend at Bernies as a training aid.
Rick Ballard (e1ddf2) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:01 amPops is a doctor (the real kind, not the Krugman kind) and will readily tell anyone that pneumonia is the old man’s friend; it helps along those near the end who medical practitioners cannot or will not usher into the other side.
Which isn’t the cheeriest thought, and I wouldn’t wish it on either of the jokers who could be America’s next C-in-C.
But then again I’m rooting for team Sweet Meteor of Death.
JP (f1742c) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:05 amNice story with a happy ending. Glad you and Mrs. P got introduced to each other in such a memorable way.
NJRob (a07d2e) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:05 amalso holy grail, this is a woman who lied about who she was named after, most recently pretended a mob of unruly 1Fs were bullying her from taking the LSAT.
erick ortiz (d1f714) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:08 amToo many people have paid too much on the come for Hillary to quit. Even if she wants to, which she does not.
Ingot (ae7422) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:09 amGood story
However – several items in the video make me question if it is pneumonia
First the legs, especially the first couple of steps are not consistent with the leg movement associated with dizziness, dehydration, fainting. The leg movement is initially very jerky and more consistent with the leg muscles getting mixed signals with how to take a step.
She may have pneumonia, and the pneumonia may have triggered and/or aggrevated the other issue, but the primary cause of the convulsive leg movement is not pneumonia
joe (debac0) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:15 amWhat is pneumonia?
CNN – 2 hours ago
god i hate them
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:21 amI fully understand that the narrative of Hillary suffering from pneumonia is the best than most can hope for here.
The fact of the matter is that she has been going through these coughing/choking attacks for months now. Apparent seizures have been coming to light over the last few weeks and the large black gentleman following her around, palming a Diazepam pen over the last few months is not doing so because of pneumonia.
Drider (80d1fd) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:44 amIt seems like Hillary even feels it best to lie about her health as she has lied about everything else.
I had a similar sort of experience with my first case of pneumonia. I was a healthy fit 25 year old–a bit exhausted from my six months of active duty and basic training. I’d just come home to San Diego to resume my law practice. I thought I had a cold; my long time GP diagnosed it as pneumonia. I said, “No way”. He said “I’ll show you the X rays.” I went home and got in bed–weak as a kitten and stayed that way for almost six weeks. Which is about the amount of time left in this political campaign.
I don’t like Hillary–but assuming that the diagnosis is true and correct (always a risky assumption when hearing anything from Team Hillary) she’s going to have some significant physical limitations during the rest of her campaign. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody–even Mrs. Clinton.
Skeptical Voter (1d5c8b) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:46 amGreetings:
Queen Tantalus, perhaps ???
11B40 (6abb5c) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:52 amMore Mrs. P stories & less Mrs. C stories please 🙂
Bobby (7ba9cb) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:54 am“I don’t like Hillary–but assuming that the diagnosis is true and correct (always a risky assumption when hearing anything from Team Hillary) she’s going to have some significant physical limitations during the rest of her campaign. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody–even Mrs. Clinton.”
I’ll admit it. I do not share near the patience that you do sir.
When a person plans on finishing the job on changing the nation into a banana Republic that Obama started, in particular with the weak, craven GOPe Congress that we have running the show now.
Drider (80d1fd) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:56 amI simply do not give well wishes to people who I detest.
I love stories with a twist at the end.
A.S. (23bc66) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:13 amI see this explanation of pneumonia from the Hillary campaign as an excuse to explain away her coughing fits. I distrust her and her people that much.
Dejectedhead (0c7c2f) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:29 amLKB,
He went tubing with high school friends, so closer to Ft. Worth.
Xmas (3a75bb) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:37 amThe only thing you can be sure of is that if Clinton and the DNC is forced to finally admit pneumonia then whatever she has is much, much worse. Don’t be surprised to use this “pneumonia” as an excuse to avoid the debates with Trump as well as her continuing avoidance of real press conferences (even though the press is on her side).
scr_north (6879b0) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:40 amBased on the People Magazine story about rampant debilitating illness in Clinton’s NYC campaign office, I suspect she got the flu and _that_ developed into pneumonia. Which also suggests that, yes, she could still be contagious.
Two and a half years ago, we moved from Colorado to Utah. We used pods from PODS, and I spent our last week in CO boxing and loading stuff. I was so wiped out that when we drove my CO to UT, my wife drove all the way, and I slept most of it. At the hotel in Utah, I actually sideswiped the car parked next to ours — I think the first time in my (then-)61 years I had ever been at fault in an accident — and my wife, seeing how sick I looked, took me to an UrgentCare. The doctor there told me I was “two steps short of full pneumonia” and put me on bedrest for a week. (Fortunately, it was going to be that long until our pods showed up in Utah.) And I pretty much slept in bed all that week.
Keep in mind that (a) I rarely get sick and (b) when I do, I get over it very quickly. This was easily the sickest I had been since a very nasty bout with some virulent flu strain back in 1990. So, I have a hard time buying all aspects of the story coming out of the Clinton camp.
bfwebster (c3c3ef) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:42 amIt’s perfectly understandable that Mrs Clinton could become dehydrated. After all, she probably limits the amount of fluids she drinks to avoid having to sit in wet Depends® for so long.
The very snarky but probably very correct Dana (f6a568) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:43 amomg she does NOT have pneumonia she’s a liar
she’s got a messed up clotty-head cause she’s a defective shrew who’s taken very poor care of herself cause of she expects people like her humador to do everything for her
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:45 amAnyone wonder if Mrs Clinton will stop standing behind those stupid “Stronger Together” signs?
The extremely snarky Dana (f6a568) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:47 amwtf
everybody needs to just slow down
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:53 amHillary’s problem is the chronicity of the lung inflammation, and this episode is almost certainly recurrent, and will recur…because she has underlying health issues either compromising her swallowing reflex or pushing fluid into the lungs.
She wouldn’t be pushing if her condition were a contagious form going around she would take some time to recuperate. She fears discovery. she flees form a simple explanation because their isn’t one and she fears the full situation revealed would destroy her world.
SarahW (3164f0) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:56 amTheir= there
SarahW (3164f0) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:56 amI am going out on a limb and risking my medical credibility:
She definitely has something.
There.
More details perhaps to be divulged later,
Emphasis on perhaps,
Don’t bet on it
And don’t be quick to believe it.
That is as definitive as I will get.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:15 amThough I will say flu to pneumonia would fit if others were sick,
But so would psittacosis if they had a sick bird.
And not all cases of pneumonia are as severe as some have described,
Hence, “walking pneumonia”
She’s had signs of lung inflammation (coughing fits) for over a year.
SarahW (3164f0) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:17 amPolly wants an antibiotic!!
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:17 amSquawk!!!
And probably it gets better and then it gets worse.
SarahW (3164f0) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:18 amyeah like the the mystery black guy is the pneumonia fairy
hell no
this is one messed up pig on a very fundamental level
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:20 amChronic recurrent cough causes include postnasal drip from allergies (as claimed) or sinus infection, gastroesophageal reflux, and subclinical asthma.
That is why I am not going to be more definitive.
Some of you are acting as if this is just another murder mystery where the butler did it.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:21 am
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:23 amthe“I had pneumonia”– Patterico.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:27 am“I had pneumonia.”– Chuck Schummer
“I had pneumonia.”–John Podesta
“I am Spartacus.”– Tony Curtis
Whatever it is, it seems to be chronic. I’m sure like all people with chronic problems, she thinks, oh, I’m okay 90% of the time! I can do it! Add this understandable denial to her ambition and the ambitions of the money men supporting her, and you have a terrible situation.
Patricia (5fc097) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:24 pmAnchoring is a thinking error, but I simply think it’s been going on too long to excuse as a a recent exposure to some contagion. Her appearance, gait, inability to reliably stand without support has also been going on for some time.
It wouldn’t have been fibbed about as heat exhaustion if that were all she was dealing with.
SarahW (3164f0) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:24 pmA Dr. (Dr. Ted Noel) on Youtube has concluded that Hillary Clinton might be suffering from Parkinson’s Disease.
Dejectedhead (0c7c2f) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:27 pmIt’s been rather amusing reading the earnest explanations from HRC apologists regarding why making medical conclusions about HRC is bad, but it’s AOK peachy keen to play amateur psychiatrist and diagnose DT as being mentally ill. It’s particularly amusing when the lists they post to alibi their own bad behavior seem to describe HRC rather well.
#nooneisindispensableparticularlynotHRC
M Scott Eiland (1edade) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:30 pmNPR propaganda slut Brian Naylor says the lying stumblepig is just following “a long tradition“
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:33 pmWilliam Henry Harrison was only 68 when his physician diagnosed him with a case of pneumonia. According to that same doctor, it was pneumonia that killed President Harrison, 30 days, 12 hours, and 30 minutes into his presidency.
So can it be serious? Yes. Is this? We have no clue, any of us.
What is for certain is that this creates a political opportunity that Trump can exploit through deed more effectively than through words.
hatefulfeet & others assure us daily that Trump is a good man. If so, he should have nothing to fear from releasing his own medical records, tax returns, college transcripts, and other personal records. This incident creates the perfect opportunity for him to demonstrate by deeds, not words, that he’s different from her in some material way.
(But I’m not holding my breath, ’cause he ain’t, and therefore can’t.)
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:41 pmSomeone explain to me later, if you will, what I did to trigger the moderation filter in the comment I left at about 2:40pm Central time. Thanks.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:42 pm@41- And what better time to run a thorough, ‘official’ range of tests on her for it than after the election– if she wins.
Oops, America, too late.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:47 pmI’ll bet that I’m not the only commenter here who knows that TQ stood for “Teaching Quizmaster” at Texas Law School, btw. TQs are what taught us the difference between “writ ref’d n.r.e.” and “writ ref’d w.o.j.,” and why it was important to include that in our citations of Texas intermediate appellate cases, right? I still remember my TQ fondly today, but our host has better grounds than most UT law grads, it would seem.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:48 pm@14- What is pneumonia?
Hellllo, Larry and Jerry! Sounds like a ready-made plot for a ‘Seinfeld‘ reunion special with a post office twist.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:50 pmWhat causes a person to act like they were dead drunk and 90 minutes later act perfectly normal? Pure speculation, but maybe diabetes or–now this is way out there–we saw a body double in front of Chelsea’s apartment. I am sorry to speculate, but the lack of truthfulness on the part of her campaign forces one to speculate. And what fell from her pant’s leg?
Bald01 (25839a) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:51 pmpeople are really talking about this at work in a way they never did with benghazi or emails or the Clinton Global Criminal Cartel
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:51 pmQuestion: If Hillary Clinton had a stroke and was completely and apparently irreversibly comatose on October 31, 2016, what percentage of the vote would she win on November 8th?
The very serious Dana (f6a568) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:58 pmDavid Nichol’s 2011 book, “Eisenhower 1956: The President’s Year of Crisis–Suez and the Brink of War,” is a first-rate read that I highly recommend for many reasons. Among them is its exploration of the degree of candor — and lack thereof — of Pres. Eisenhower and his physicians and the White House staff in connection with Ike’s heart attack(s) and his recuperation. Recall that 1956 was an election year; indeed, the Suez Crises was on the brink of the election. About the best that can be said of Ike & his docs’ candor is that it looks pretty good in comparison with his immediate successor (JFK, who lied constantly & shameless about his medical condition). Otherwise, the book reflects very well indeed on Ike and his wisdom and fitness to be president.
By contrast to Eisenhower or Kennedy, LBJ was comparatively open about his heart attack and later medical ailments, sometimes to the discomfort of those around him (“Hey, partner, come close and lemme show you my belly scars right here!”). Reagan and his team were commendably transparent after his assassination attempt.
One largely forfeits privacy on these issues as a condition for asking the voting public’s support — or at least, that’s been the case before this election cycle. This year, both candidates believe themselves above all that, though.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 12:59 pm@50. What makes you think she hasn’t had a small one already and recovered ‘fully?’
Oh, right. ‘pneumonia.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:01 pm@ serious Dana (#51): Are we also to assume that the public is allowed to learn of the stroke, or that it otherwise can’t be concealed? If so: I’d say possibly more than if she’d had no stroke, since everyone would presume that Kaine would take her place.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:01 pmQuestion: If Hillary Clinton were captured, on tape, by ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN, smoking crack cocaine and acting like all three of the Stooges afterward, on October 31, 2016, what percentage of the vote would she win on November 8th?
The extremely serious Dana (f6a568) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:05 pmMr Beldar: Yes, I assume that we’d have to learn something, given that the conditions I set up would have her out of the public eye for the last eight days of the campaign.
The usually serious Dana (f6a568) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:07 pmEven if Maudie had suffered a small stroke a while back- even years ago– after the ‘fall’ or such- and recovered ‘fully,’ which would be perfectly acceptable in the real world, they’d keep that in the super secret double probation file in Clintonworld given the Eagleton treatment for starters.
They just don’t trust the American people to be fair to them.
Gee, can’t imagine why.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:09 pm@54. 30%. “Tokin’ hard base.”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:11 pmOh. I figured it out, disregard my question re the moderation. (Moderators, feel free to delete prior version if convenient rather than un-moderating and releasing it.)
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William Henry Harrison was only 68 when his physician diagnosed him with a case of pneumonia. According to that same doctor, it was pneumonia that killed President Harrison, 30 days, 12 hours, and 30 minutes into his presidency.
So can it be serious? Yes. Is this? We have no clue, any of us.
What is for certain is that this creates a political opportunity that Trump can exploit through deed more effectively than through words.
hatefulfeet & others assure us daily that Trump is a good and honest man. If so, he should have nothing to fear from releasing his own medical records, tax returns, college transcripts, and other personal records. This incident creates the perfect opportunity for him to demonstrate by deeds, not words, that he’s different from her in some material way.
(But I’m not holding my breath, ’cause he ain’t, and therefore can’t.)
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:12 pm@ serious Dana: The people who don’t care that she talked about drone strikes in her private-server emails which were almost certainly hacked by foreign intelligence certainly wouldn’t care about a little crack cocaine smoking. But in what way are either she or Trump not acting like one of the Three Stooges now?
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:17 pmReagan and his team were commendably transparent after his assassination attempt.
Actually the Reagan people were selectively ‘opaque’ and for good reason at the time and carefully ‘transparent’ with the proper photo ops. It was only in the later years after he left office the American public learned the deptth of the details of how close Reagan came to death.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:20 pmMr. Trump’s a good man and true
and he got the whole whirl on his shoulders now
he’s the only one what can save us from getting pigged!
this unholy pressure, he’s handling it with aplomb
that’s ample evidence of a robust and hale constitution you ask me
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:25 pm#54
steveg (5508fb) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:26 pmShe’d still carry all of California’s blue coastal districts and nearly every Major University town across the land.
Mr. Trump’s a good and honest man it’s true
and he got the whole whirl on his shoulders now
he’s the only one what can save us from getting pigged!
this unholy pressure, he’s handling it with aplomb
that’s ample evidence of a robust and hale constitution you ask me
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:26 pm@2 She’s got something, or several things, and she needs to hop off the train. She is endangering her life. I say this without rancor.
Apparently Maudie is hell-bent on running for President– or die trying.
How can any American- ‘compassionate conservatives,’ et al.,- deny a public servant with that dedication and drive to shamelessly serve the people!!
Shame on us!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:32 pmTo the troll who haunts these comments under the initials DCSCA: I didn’t say “perfectly transparent,” I said “commendably transparent,” as part of my comparison to Eisenhower or Kennedy.
You want “complete transparency,” you might get it among surgeons around the operating table. The same surgeons step outside the OR — whether to talk to family, the press, or a mortality/morbidity review — and they will be selective and do some editing in the exercise of their professional judgment.
That’s why you want to hear from both the treating physician(s) and from other physicians who are unbiased but who’ve reviewed all of the medical records, including all of the objective findings and the subjective complaints and test results they contain.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:33 pmSo you agree, then, hatefulfeet, that he should therefore immediately release his tax returns, medical records, and academic transcripts?
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:34 pmMr Beldar asked:
Mrs Clinton is trying to be at least a little bit subtle about it now, more Larry Fine than Moe Howard, but the slapstick still comes through.
Donald Trump? Pure Shemp Howard, all the way through.
The usually serious Dana (f6a568) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:36 pmmaybe so… let’s circle back on this in a few months
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:36 pm@64. =yawn= Sunlight is a great disinfectant.
Selectively hiding facts from the public for ‘good’ or ‘bad’ isn’t ‘commendable’ at all.
See Hillary Clinton for details.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:37 pmThe month Trump has uncontrollable coughing attacks and collapses a few times on camera is the time he needs to release his medical records.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:40 pmUnless she has one of the longest running case of pneumonia I’ve ever heard of, I doubt it.
steveg (5508fb) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:44 pmI also doubt it because she lies about everything from A-Z, so why skip “P”.
(stop yourself hf… I know what you are thinking)
In my opinion, releasing records when there is no serious suspicion is just giving opposition media ammo to use against political opponents.
Trump should release nothing.
Dejectedhead (789ca6) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:47 pmThere are now at least two media sources saying the Democrat leadership is talking about taking her off the ticket.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:05 pmp is for pickles, locked tight in a jar
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:07 pm‘P’ is for pulse:
KIMMEL: “Is your health good?”
MAUDIE: “Take my pulse.”
Fast-forward to Clinton distraction: que the pickle jar.
She never answered Kimmel’s direct question about her health with a simple ‘yes.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:11 pmKimmel being an arbiter of knowledge about a Presidential candidate is part of the problem.
At least he gave her a pickle jar to open. That’s more scrutiny than most press give her.
Dejectedhead (0c7c2f) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:14 pm53/Beldar:
Right, I’d think Hillary’s new campaign slogan should be, “I promise to be too sick to last too long and you’ll get Tim Kaine.” That’s a very appealing slogan to those of us who have learned that democracy doesn’t work/”Don’t blame me – I voted for Kodos.”
JRM (de6363) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:16 pmI think the “I won’t live too long” campaign might actually be effective this presidential cycle.
Dejectedhead (0c7c2f) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:22 pm@75– What does it matter ‘who’ asked it? Jimmy Kimmel, Andrea Mitchell or Donald Trump? Point is, she never answered the direct question with a direct ‘yes.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:25 pmKaine?
President Harvey Korman?????????????
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:26 pmGotta love the LA Times, shilling for Hillary as obligingly as a high paid lawyer. On 9-11, it reported that she “left” after “feeling unwell.” Today’s front page story by Seema Meta and seen on the table at a Starbucks, shows a photo of her walking with people which is described as her “leaving” the ceremony. No photo of her being held up. “All the news we think you need to hear.”
Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:27 pmA Cruz supporter explains why he’s going to vote for Trump:
http://atimes.com/2016/09/deplorably-trump-is-going-to-win/
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:30 pmFDR’s WH intimates and doctors knew he was seriously ill in 1944 and hid the facts as he ran. Had it been made public and he ran anyway would the nation have changed presidents amidst a war? It did anyway when he died in office in April,1945 and Truman stepped in. But if FDR’s illness was known, would more scrutiny been placed on his VP choice? Truman might never have been on the ticket.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:43 pmNorth Carolina started mailing early voting ballots out on September 9th. A Toricelli maneuver would have to occur very quickly and I really doubt it will. A withdrawal – voluntary or involuntary – might be enough to finish off the early voting idiocy.
Rick Ballard (e1ddf2) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:44 pm#78. I’d never expect a direct answer from any politician to a question like that.
Dejectedhead (894633) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:54 pm#73
Now I am starting to wonder what was in that jar.
Nothing good I’d guess… something she could easily have disproved by chugging it.
Kimmel should feel like the dupe he was… took one for the team there Jimmy
steveg (5508fb) — 9/12/2016 @ 2:57 pmYou think that’s a good story let me tell you about the time I got pneumonia after buying beer from the freezer section of a convenience store in Austin, Texas back in August of 1990…. 😉
Love the twist happy ending, too bad this election can’t promise the same thing.
Sean (00d7f5) — 9/12/2016 @ 3:18 pm“But if FDR’s illness was known, would more scrutiny been placed on his VP choice? Truman might never have been on the ticket.”
Actually, FDR’s condition was known to party leaders, which is precisely why Truman was on the ticket. They could not risk allowing the then-VP, Henry Wallace, to become president, so they forced a switch. Those at the top knew full well that FDR was dying and could not survive a fourth term.
sauropod (5c1c0b) — 9/12/2016 @ 3:26 pmthat would be clem kadiddlehopper,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/12/2016 @ 3:55 pm“I had pneumonia”– Patterico.
“I had pneumonia.”– Chuck Schummer
“I had pneumonia.”–John Podesta
“I am Spartacus.”– Tony Curtis
That had me laughing. I feel the need to reciprocate.
The Hillary video with audio, finally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbAJsFc_d_A
Drider (340c7b) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:03 pmIf she really has pneumonia then this announcement is cataclysmic, not because of the illness but because it will be the first time in 30 years of public office that someone from inside the Clinton team has told the truth. Don’t bet the farm on this announcement.
Sewer Urchin (f761c0) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:05 pm“So you agree, then, hatefulfeet, that he should therefore immediately release his tax returns, medical records, and academic transcripts?”
The same way all men should immediately release their credit report, sexual history, and embarassing photos to all women before they even consider dating them.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:05 pm“Apparently Maudie is hell-bent on running for President– or die trying.”
She’s criminal enough to know that jail awaits her if she doesn’t.
“How can any American- ‘compassionate conservatives,’ et al.,- deny a public servant with that dedication and drive to shamelessly serve the people!!
Shame on us!”
nickmullen, a highly underrated Tweeter, had this to say:
“Memo from Dr. Jonathan Realman
Hello I am the physician in charge of Hillary Clinton, and I just have to say that she is not dying. But she does have a disease. It is called perseverance and integrity, with further complications stemming from honesty and do-goodsmanship. Unfortunately for her, the only cure is a prescription of White House, and that’s something only the American people can authorize. Thank you. Also she has cancer thanks”
“But in what way are either she or Trump not acting like one of the Three Stooges now?”
Trump knows when to let the opponent hang theyselves. Note that we on the alt-right have been enthusiastically helping them along this entire time by forcing their staff to emotionally respond to ZyklonPepe1488:
https://twitter.com/JayFivekiller/status/775439332278546432
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:15 pmmore about klem, he has ties to skydragon worshipers, and the salafi underground,
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/295229-tim-kaines-radical-roots
narciso (d1f714) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:19 pm@81- BBBBBBut he’s not an ideological conservative — or a Texan!! Boo-hoo!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:29 pmI like The Onion’s take…
Pneumonio virus terrified knowing what Clintons are capable of
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:31 pm@84– In her case it would have come naturally: lie.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:32 pm54.Question: If Hillary Clinton were captured, on tape, by ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN,…
… would Donald Trump ‘bomb the s–t out of them?’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:38 pm“I love stories with a twist at the end.”
A.S. (23bc66) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:13 amBernie Bernbaum, “Miller’s Crossing”FIFY
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/12/2016 @ 4:47 pmThis just keeps getting better!!!!!
CNN’s Cooper interviewing Maudie live- 8 PM EDT:
AC- “How many times has this happen to you before?”
Maude- “It has only happen twice.. as best as I can recall…”
“….. it sure seems like an allergy to me…”
Another pretzel performance.
Maudie, you’re in a hole. I’d tell you to shut up and stop digging but you go deeper with every shovelful of ‘stuff’ you toss out to us. Its priceless!!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:08 pmHelpful but not reassuring link there, narciso
nk, you out there?
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:17 pmHaven’t seen so many ‘damage control reports’ on television since that ‘Voyage to the Bottom Of the Sea’ marathon on MeTV. But Crane and Nelson never stumbled aboard the Flying Sub.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:18 pmI missed a week of 3rd year cardiothoracic surgery because of pneumonia, come to think of it,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:21 pmwasn’t really that sick,
and no one had to bring me school work
so I didn’t get a wife because of it.
But I did get to do my reading by day and sleep by night,
which was great.
will readily tell anyone that pneumonia is the old man’s friend;
That quotation is from Osler’s Textbook of Medicine, 1905 edition. He was getting older and felt it, The previous edition described pneumonia as “The special enemy of old age.”
The quick recovery of Hillary is most suspicious. Maybe a syringe of Valium but that does not go with “pneumonia.”
The big Black Guy has been identified as Tim Madison, the chief of her SS detail. He denies the object is a syringe but says it is a tiny flashlight. It certainly was dark (not) the days when he was carrying it.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:35 pm“Helpful but not reassuring link there, narciso”
Tim Kaine no more radical than the pope or a grown-up Marco Rubio feeling homesick, don’t see the problem.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:35 pmThis is interesting if true.
Mike K (90dfdc) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:37 pmWill Maudie’s campaign make her available to the press for any pix of her on her back in bed with an IV in her arm? You know, in the interests of open and full disclosure?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:38 pm“The quick recovery of Hillary is most suspicious. Maybe a syringe of Valium but that does not go with “pneumonia.””
My medical training was firing off scenarios like ‘aggressive IV fluid replacement via central line’ but then I realized that ‘body double’ was possibly more parsimonious.
A naked Hillary statue would have far more add-ons and weird dangly bits than Trump is all I’m saying
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:38 pmhe’s the solon on steroids,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:39 pmMaudie’s excuses in this evening’s CNN interview w/AC are priceless.
Did you know, there’s a lot pneumonia going around these days?
And here we all thought we’re supposed to be on the watch for the zika virus.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:46 pmThat seems necessarily true, Mike K.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:52 pmThey didn’t take her to an ER…
Really, a potential president collapses and the secret service does not take her to the ER??
Does it make sense for any reason other than secrecy?
Glucose and time to pass for low blood sugar to correct would make a lot of sense.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 5:54 pmThere’s probably a Clinton Family ICU in Chelsea’s apartment to match the one in Chappaqua.
Rick Ballard (e1ddf2) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:02 pmMD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:21 am
The thing is, with me, I don’t think it’s the butler.
It’s nothing obvious – nothing that’s been suggested.
Now I think there’s some metabolic process that’s not quite working right that can cause
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:08 pmthe ATP in some muscles to become completely depleted much too easily. What that is, is beyond my knowledge. And I think her doctor(s) may be diagnosing her with too many different diseases.
110 md, so agree.
Patricia (5fc097) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:12 pmfwiw,
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/12/bill-clinton-says-hillary-has-had-fainting-spells-on-more-than-one-occasion/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:22 pmTony Curtis- I am Spartacus!
In what universe? Kirk Douglas was the actor that portrayed Spartacus in 1960!
Yoda (310909) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:26 pm@110- If memory serves, Joe Kennedy kept meds in safety deposit boxes across the country for JFK as he campaigned.
It’s likely there’s a ‘Clinton Clinic’ next to the secret server space at ever family locale and in some secure locales across the land. Lots of meds and hydration IVs…. and, of course, nitro tabs and penicillin, for Bubba.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:29 pmYoda,
But I think it was TC who first chimed up “I am Spartacus” when everyone started saying so.
I hope things are better for you.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:31 pm@116. Yo… DA-h… See it again. You miss the meaning.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:31 pm@118. Bingo.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:32 pm@89– hilarious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:36 pmBeldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 1:12 pm
The book, “A Pictoral History of American Presidents” which my parents got many years ago, and I read and kept – it goes up to Eisenhowerr – I see it is COPYRIGHT (C) 1955 by John and Alice Durant published by A.S. Barnes and Company – says:
So his physician didn’t call it pneumonia. He called it bilious pleurisy. Later physicians called it pneumonia.
Bilious means characterized by an excess of bile. This must have been connected to some medical theory. Pleurisy means inflmmation (changes, like in a fire) of the pleura (the memnrance containing the lungs) with stuff spilling out.
Medicine was different then. Note people said then (in contravention of Benjamin Franklin, (and modern medical “wisdom”) that being exposed to cold causes colds. It does, I think, if it shuts down the production of antibodies, and stress does that.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:47 pmImagine you’re Chuck Schummer at a memorial function attended by hundreds and Maudie comes up to you close, shakes hnds– maye a hug… and in conversation, you tell her you just got over a bout of pneumonia and she responds to your face, “Gee, I was diagnosed with pneumonia two days ago.”
What color does Chuck turn– frightful white, terrified yellow or just plain furious red?
And who admits to not liking to have to drink water? The stuff essential to sustain life. Get Smart’s Hymie?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:53 pmthe original cut of ’54, was more nausea inducing, than what was originally released,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:00 pmHaving had pneumonia in my 30’s, what you say sounds just about right. I’m not completely convinced that Hillary HAS pneumonia though. She was in terrible shape going into this campaign, and it’s not surprising that she cratered now that the Show has started.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:08 pmExcuse my Off Topic-
The Time MD in Philly Got Agitated About His Daughter’s Schooling….
MD thought he would look in the textbook for AP Physics being taken as a sophomore in HS, titled “College Physics”. Her teacher is a former atomic scientist in the weapons program of a country not the US, who decided he didn’t want to blow up the US. (“Thank you”, BTW.)
The book looks interesting, description of the approach sounds good, turn to the chapter on the First Law of Thermodynamics (what was that again?).
The chapter starts off with (I kid you not, wish I was):
Earth’s average temperature is increasing. The 1980’s were the warmest decade in recorded history. However, each decade since has beaten that record….
…See one consequence in Figure 12.1
The figure shows photos of the Muir Glacier in Alaska in 1941 and 2004….
Not mentioned is all of this info:
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/more-alarmist-nonsense-about-glaciers/
which shows that Glaciers have been melting since the 1700’s, and that remains of previous forests are often revealed by the retreating glaciers.
arrgghhhh!!!!!
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:15 pmI guess I can be thankful they started out with such an easily disputed claim.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:18 pmgack, it’s just mind arson, with a a larger torch.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:22 pm#125
Whoa there KevinM
Out of shape?
steveg (5508fb) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:24 pmThis woman had 30,000 emails deleted because of the yoga!
I demand a retraction from you, you Trumpist shill!
I caught pneumonia three weeks ago and I’m still feeling the effects. Pneumonia is a bitch.
WarrenPeese (8935cc) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:34 pmIt started with a nasty flu virus, and it went from shivering to sweating to coughing, and I couldn’t shake this fever. On Day 8 I went to the clinic and they put me on antibiotics. Even though the pneumonia was treated, my energy sucks, I can’t work out like I normally do, and I sleep and nap a lot more.
When Hillary had her big coughing fit on Labor Day, I knew it was pneumonia because I was coughing exactly like that. You’re right, Pat, this isn’t something you “power through”. Jennifer Granholm is partisan moron.
The question I have is what caused Hillary’s pneumonia, because it’s usually something else that causes the lung infection to happen, and I don’t take at face value their claim that it was an “allergy”.
Imagine if you will, Ms. Clinton after 60 minutes of Hot Yoga
steveg (5508fb) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:39 pmMaybe I should mess with the authors by sending a harsh rebuke, asking why they used such an easily falsifiable claim for evidence of a warming earth…, that they should find some examples that can’t be debunked.
Whatcha think?
I once reiterated in an on-line discussion my experience in a 300 level college bio class when the instructor asked, “If God made everything, why did He put only finches on the Galapagos Islands???” My colleagues and I, never before having had reason to doubt evolution and at the time none being “serious” Christians”, nevertheless decided, “He did it because He wanted to hear such an idiotic illogical statement millions of years later”. I was told that no one could have ever said such a thing and that I was a dishonest discussant…
years later I have come to learn that Darwin himself used many such arguments, that God could not have created certain things because “He would have done it this way instead”, and that more modern Darmin apologists continue to do the same.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:40 pm#131 steveg,
Please, I’m trying to eat my dinner! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/12/2016 @ 7:50 pmyears later I have come to learn that Darwin himself used many such arguments, that God could not have created certain things because “He would have done it this way instead”, and that more modern Darmin apologists continue to do the same.
The idea that God happens to think exactly as oneself can be found in both theists and atheists.
I had pneumonia in both lungs at the age of eight. I was out of school for over a month. The doctor told my mother to beat me on the chest several times a day to loosen up the mucus, a technique then used for kids with cystic fibrosis. I ended up with bruises on my chest for several weeks after, and my temperature remained at 99.4 as its normal for over twenty years after. According to the doctor, I came close to dying, and was left susceptible to bronchitis and worse in cold weather. Which is why we moved to Florida a year later and I go a little overboard on treating myself when I get a cold.
So I know pneumonia is no small thing.
But Hillary has been maneuvering to become POTUS since January 1991. She’s not going to listen to common sense.
kishnevi (35d300) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:25 pmI *thought* it was the Brazos. I don’t remember any great scenery. It was a chance to float and drink beer. But maybe my memory is wrong.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:28 pmI *thought* it was the Brazos. I don’t remember any great scenery. It was a chance to float and drink beer. But maybe my memory is wrong.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/12/2016 @ 8:28 pm
Just make sure it is not the Sulphur River in NE Texas that you find yourself tubing down. That is unless alligators, snapping turtles, and thousands of water moccasins you wish to of their company partake. Grew up near it I did. Also the mosquitoes by the millions.
One time Yoda was hunting near the Sulphur, when all of a sudden two mosquitoes grabbed Yoda, one on each shoulder. Starting to fly away with Yoda they were, when I heard one buzz to the other. “Hey Shmi, let’s take down to the river and eat him there.” The other buzzed back, “Let’s not do that Shmo, the big ones will take him away from us!”
Yoda (310909) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:00 pm(let’s take him)
Yoda (310909) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:02 pmMaudie says it went like this when she met Schumer at the 9/11 memorial:
“Hi, Hillary, I’ve just got over a bout of pneumonia. But I’ve told no one I had it. How are you?”
“Hey Chuck, I was told I had pneumonia two days ago!!!”
She must truly be on meds if she believes Americans will swallow that pill….
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:08 pmMD in Philly, I would talk to your school board. They ordered the darn book.
Think of all the parents who never catch things like that!
Patricia (5fc097) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:15 pm@75 Dejectedhead
Jimmy Kimmel has a direct line to Dr Drew, he should have sandbagged her.
Pinandpuller (006ace) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:20 pmMr. Finkelman, I promise, my remarks here are addressed to everyone except you. Please don’t take it as a personal challenge to argue about every damned thing. Google “William Henry Harrison pneumonia” and tell me how many other sources it has; mine says 384,000. Google “William Henry Harrison bilious pleurisy.” I get 34,600, but let’s dig deeper.
Google “William Henry Harrison diagnosis” and Google helpfully not only gives lots of links, it provides an answer:
But let’s dig even deeper. Let’s go to Wikipedia (yes, I know we’re casting broad nets, but humor me, as so many here humor you every day), the opening paragraph of which’s entry on Harrison tells us this: “Harrison died on his 32nd day in office[a] of complications from pneumonia, serving the shortest tenure in United States presidential history.” Later, in the second regarding his death & funeral, Wikipedia expands:
That last bit is a reference to the New York Times, the “Science” section of which in 2014 featured an article entitled “What Really Killed William Henry Harrison?” Before advancing their alternative theory of enteric fever, the authors actually quote from Dr. Thomas Miller:
Then:
Now in fact, Mr. Finkelman, I’d done each of the things I’ve just asked you to do before I made my comment here. I didn’t go to the library to find your 1955 pictorial history of presidents. But I am confident that it’s entirely fair for me to have phrased my comment exactly as I did, re-stating Dr. Miller’s diagnosis without vouching for it myself, because I anticipated that some Trumpkin shill would attack me for this very kind of nonsense.
I’m sorry it was you instead. I identify with your tendency to quibble because I share it. Please understand that my temper right now, in these comments, is strained. The time you and I have wasted on this is a damned shame, and I ask that before you again attempt such a massive quibble, you first ask me upon what I have relied, or whether I even wish to discuss it further. Best regards.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:23 pmDear lord, I’m again in innocent error. I didn’t Google “William Henry Harrison bilious pleurisy” before leaving my comment, only “William Henry Harrison pneumonia” and “William Henry Harrison diagnosis.” Plus I read Wikipedia. Plus I read the NYT article.
Have I saved us another two hours argument by this admission? Let’s hope so.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:25 pmMikeK
Tim “The Eclipse” Madison.
Pinandpuller (006ace) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:27 pmPneumonia can’t cause seizures. It can exacerbate existing chronic conditions like Parkinson’s which itself causes loss of motor functions and seizures. But Pneumonia by itself doesn’t cause those seizures.
I too have had pneumonia. I’ve also learned to monitor people who have Parkinsons and who are susceptible to stroke, which also – incidentally – makes the same people susceptible to pneumonia.
Ultimately, whether Hillary has Pneumonia is now besides the point. Nobody should believe anything coming from her supporters and handlers. America can ill afford her behaviour, weaknesses and vices as magnified by the power of the Oval Office. She may well be as bad as Obama, if not worse. How do Americans limp along further when she adds how many trillions in debt without corresponding productivity (especially in manufacturing goods and services) and God-knows how many millions more third world immigrants flooding in?
Terry (aec200) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:45 pmSammy
James Garfield survived about 12 weeks after getting shot. He ended up with pneumonia as well.
He might have actually survived but for his doctors probing the wound with unsterile fingers and instruments.
Pinandpuller (006ace) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:51 pm@111 MD in Philly
Is it possible to hook up a human to a hummingbird feeder?
Pinandpuller (006ace) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:54 pmHillary does not need Americans to accept that she is honest. Watch her extensive campaign operation. She barely talks to the press and never seems to do anything. If Hillary is the candidate on election day, all she needs to do is be less scary than Trump to most voters.
Do they even need to edit this thing?
I would rather hear LBJ say it than Hillary screech it, so hopefully no edit.
Absolutely people tube on the Brazos. They do it about halfway between Austin and Fort Worth. They also tube on Comal and Guad.
Awesome story.
Dustin (ba94b2) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:56 pm@112 Rick Ballard
Where do you think the missing medical supplies from Haiti went?
Pinandpuller (006ace) — 9/12/2016 @ 9:56 pm@141 Beldar
Well, there aren’t any Harrison shills left to attack you.
Pinandpuller (006ace) — 9/12/2016 @ 10:10 pmPeople even own businesses renting tubes to tubers (?) on the Brazos River, and they name their businesses after it. I don’t know if any rapids or fast water is involved.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:32 pmAnd on the subject of TQs from UT Law, I had the sad occasion to write an “in memoriam” post on my own blog some years ago, alas. 🙁
Your story is better, Patrick, but mine explains in some detail about TQs and TQ groups if anyone else is curious to that degree.
I’ll bet DRJ remembers her TQ too.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/12/2016 @ 11:42 pmnarciso, anybody,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:06 aminterested in being the sender of the letter to the book authors? I do want to avoid my child getting drawn into my kerfuffle somehow.
LOL! None of Hillary’s BS story adds up. She doesn’t have pneumonia. If she did, it’s of record-breaking duration, meaning YEARS.
ocean (38f70a) — 9/13/2016 @ 12:55 amDoes anyone know what kind of miracle water illary was drinking? Sips of special water cures pneumonia. The cheese on the moon is swiss.
mg (31009b) — 9/13/2016 @ 2:29 amThe lovely Mrs Clinton was dehydrated and weakened by pneumonia, yet was spry enough to make an appearance outside her daughter’s apartment a couple hours later. Dehydration that serious is normally treated by intervenous administration of normal saline, often including electrolytes. Now, just why would IV bags, poles, and needles be stored at Mrs Mezvinsky’s apartment in the first place?
The Dana who isn't a physician (f6a568) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:04 amthe lying pig has herpes all up in it
she’s a clinton, so we know we can take this to the bank
everything else?
pneumonia dehydration overheating allergies
safe to say these are all piggy pig lies
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:28 amStick a fork in her #nevertrump, she’s done.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-health-replace-contingency-228037
My Dad’s passing in May was precipitated by pneumonia in Jan. After living a year in a box car in the ’30’s lesser Depression losing an infant brother, he had recurrent issues and never really cleared it completely.
The Borg are in disarray and need a term to chill anyway.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/13/2016 @ 3:58 amMcConnell, Ryan and ibn Dunham meet like today to plan the lame duck session. Doubtless talk will consider the parlous state of the establishment cooperative effort. What to do, what to do?
Another glimmer of life for #nevertrump, not dead from the neck down!
DNF (ffe548) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:04 amI sure do tire of idiot Trump Idolators assuming #NeverTrump is voting Hillary, despite the many of us who have declared Hillary is ALSO not an option. They’re idiots believing their own lies.
John Hitchcock (6df630) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:16 am64. “to the troll [insert Trumpkin name here]”
No one exceeds you in contemptuousness of regard. Just sayin’.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:27 am159. Again, idiot is an appropriate characterization for those who intend and will not be dissuaded from losing.
The shoe fits sucka, put it on.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:29 amnevertrump wanna do sore loser harvardtrash ted all up in it
they’re using strategy!
mmmm velvet constitution feels so good to rub it
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 4:44 amDear Patterico: I re-read my post at #4, and then I looked over the thread.
I guess I called it.
Despite all of the nonsense, thank you for sharing a nice story.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:19 amVery Important:
The Clintons said she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday – but they didn’t say it had anything to do with her fall!
And that’s still their position, if you pay close attention.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 9/13/2016 @ 6:20 amLoss of lunch money shows.
mg (31009b) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:32 amEarly voting is not a problem for a change of candidate, and no maneuver is needed. Hillary Clinton is not a candidate in the election on November 8th. NC voters will be electing 15 electors; they will be faced with a choice between a slate of 15 candidates who have promised that on December 19th they will vote for Clinton and Kaine or whoever else are the Democratic Party candidates on that date, another slate of 15 candidates who have made the same promise for Trump and Pence or for whomever the GOP has nominated in their place, another 15 for Johnson and Weld or whomever the LP says, etc. Votes cast for the D slate count no matter whom the DNC is now instructing its electors to support. So the deadline for changing candidates is the morning of December 19th.
Milhouse (e21178) — 9/13/2016 @ 8:48 amWhy December 19th? What is the point?
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:04 amon a more serious issue,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3786979/What-s-excuse-ISIS-executioner-orchestrating-atrocities-France-scolds-male-jihadists-not-launching-attacks-women-terror-cell-crushed.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:17 am151. Thank you, that was helpful.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/13/2016 @ 9:26 amhttp://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/09/12/doctors-weigh-in-on-hillarys-health/
DNF (ffe548) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:19 amit’s odd there is no documentation provided no, even redacted, and the press doesn’t give a farthing,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:21 amI don’t see much opening for Congress to fix the election now for the Elites. At least not unless HRC kicks in the very last weeks.
Changing to Kaine saves the votes but he has no name recognition. Biden, OTOH, is perhaps too recognizable.
I could be wrong.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:37 ambiden is a punchline
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:39 amyou would think, but he’s more a knave, we failed to miss like smod,
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/12/exclusive-john-kerrys-state-department-funneled-millions-to-his-daughters-nonprofit/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/13/2016 @ 10:43 amThat’s when the president and vice president will be elected. Clinton, Kaine, Trump, Pence, and all the rest are campaigning to persuade people to vote on November 8th for electors who will then vote for them on December 19th. But they themselves are not candidates in November.
Milhouse (02c8a3) — 9/13/2016 @ 5:54 pmDCSCA (797bc0) — 9/12/2016 @ 6:53 pm
Well, it could be her doctor told her not to drink water, or else she’ll get depleted of sodium, which she may have a problem with because of low levels of thyroid hormone.
http://www.turner-white.com/memberfile.php?PubCode=hp_jan07_adrenal.pdf
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:28 pmHere’s a winning slogan for the Democrats:
NickM (d6362a) — 9/13/2016 @ 7:37 pmKaine 2017: Normalcy is just a blood clot away.
Bag ladies are past the learning:
https://theintercept.com/2016/09/13/colin-powell-emails/
DNF (ffe548) — 9/14/2016 @ 3:23 am176. Then again Parkinson’s patients have trouble swallowing, aspirating water into their lungs.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/14/2016 @ 3:24 amKarma:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-13/buffett-loses-1-4-billion-as-wells-fargo-tumbles-on-scandal
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/09/13/117-million-gone-oprah-loses-more-than-weight/90305990/
DNF (755a85) — 9/14/2016 @ 3:32 amDCSCA (797bc0) — 9/13/2016 @ 1:55 pm in Maternity Leave thread:
The press traveling ith her was kept away and had no idea what was going on and was not even aware really that she had left. About an hour and a half after she left – and they may still not know exactly when this hapened – a statement was issued by her campaign about overheating. Then she appeared in front of the press, which had been assembled outside the building where her daughter Chelsea lived, and remarked on how it was a beautiful day in New York. Then she ditched the press again.
Her campaign later claimed that they felt any annuncement about her pneumonia should come from her doctor, and that the doctor couldn’t say anything until she examined her again. The doctor – please note – did not attribute the collapse to the pneumonia. Probably because actually it’s related to a different problem.
That the collapse is related to the pneumonia is maybe what we’re supposed to think, but the doctor didn’t say so. I think it was just thrown in there as a red herring. I think doctor has a very specific theory as to why the collapse happened, and it is only indirectly related to the pneumonia.
(By the way, by being so chary, the doctor could maintain confidentiality, without strictly speaking, lying)
Both Bill and Hillary Clinton have (while not being able to settle on a frequency) admitted she has collapsed other times, but that they managed to keep it from the public till now. (except that probably half the public believes that they’re lying about there being previous collapses, so there’s no follow-up.)
The collapse may be related to low sodium, and/or low blood pressure, and (following this theory) the factt that the way her health is being managed, there’s a tendency for that to happen. A doctor would have a better guess as to exactly what’s going on. We’re not even close to the truth yet.
When there’s a crime, the police often obtain security video, voluntarily or by subpoena/search warrant, but that wouldn’t have happened here.
Private people can get it too, but they’d have to knock on doors, and ask for it, and probably pay, and the press I don’t think goes out of its way to obtain video. It’s not an assassination. They already have a video which came in over the transom. Who’d go looking for it and be willing to pay money for it? The National Enquirer? That company is represented by Hillary Clinton’s lawyers. Fox News?? Roger Ailes has been fired and maybe nobody had the presence of mind or the interest or the willingness to spend money to get exclusive footage.
Also there may not have been any private buildings or stores with cameras facing in that direction
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 9/14/2016 @ 7:23 amI mistakenly posted on another thread a comment to the effect that at the time Hillary Clintoo remarked that it’s a beautiful day in New York, the video showing her collapse had either not come out or not circulated much, and wasn’t known to Hillary, and there was only the statement by her campaign that she had left the ceremony at the World Trade Center site because she was dehydrated,
and she wanted to say that it was really nothing, and she didn’t feel bad at all.
At the time she made those remarks, the reading of the names ceremony was still not over, I understand.
Sammy Finkelman (329d95) — 9/14/2016 @ 7:54 amFrom Morning Jolt. September 13:
Here is Martosko-Merrill Twitter exchange:
https://twitter.com/dmartosko/status/774355790991851520
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/14/2016 @ 2:34 pmhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/14/here-are-the-juiciest-colin-powell-comments-about-trump-and-clinton-from-his-leaked-emails/
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/14/2016 @ 2:43 pmHillary shouild really make things public, Then she could get a 14th, 58th, 235th opinion. If she doesn’t want taht she could consult the Medical Medium.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/14/2016 @ 2:44 pm