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9/10/2016

The Mishandling Of 9/11 Remembrances

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:39 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Tomorrow marks the 15th anniversary of 9/11. And what better way to commemorate one of the most horrific moments in America’s history than with a “twin tower” mattress sale:

Mike Bonanno, owner of Miracle Mattress in Houston, has since apologized for the tasteless ad, stating that it was produced by employees without his knowledge.

“We will be silent through the 9/11 Anniversary to avoid any further distractions from a day of recognition and remembrance for the victims and their families,” Bonanno said in a news release. “We take full responsibility for our actions and sincerely regret the hurt and pain caused by this disrespectful advertising campaign.”

“There is very little we can do to take away the hurt we have caused, but we can begin with silence through the Anniversary and then do our best to follow up with actions that reflect the seriousness of our mistake,” he said in the statement.

While most of us certainly agree that the commercial was not in good taste, it’s nowhere in the same leagues as the college professor who willfully tore down students’ “Never Forget” 9/11 remembrance posters. According to Professor Margot Lovett, members of the Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) student group failed to obtain the necessary “permission from student government” to hang the posters. Therefore, she claims she had to tear them down. And just so you know, Professor Lovett also believes that U.S. imperialism was to blame for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Note that as Lovett confronts YAF students who are documenting her actions, she doesn’t simply remove the posters and hand them back to YAF members to use later, instead she crumples them up:

In spite of Lovett’s rationale for tearing down the posters, Kyle Chiu, the Vice-Chair of Saddleback College YAF, claims the group has been hamstrung by school officials:

[C]ampus leaders refused to grant their club active status because officials want to change some parts of the group’s bylaws. With that, he said, a previously approved 9/11 memorial slated for Sept. 8 was canceled.

“The funny thing is that these are the exact same documents we submitted last year with no problem at all,” Chiu said. “This technically keeps us from active status, thus giving the Student Development Office what they feel is justification for canceling our event. An event the same office approved a couple weeks before.”

“Due to the cancellation of the 9/11 Never Forget Project, all of the reservations for equipment, space on campus, as well as official notifications to campus groups were forfeited,” he added.

YAF released a statement announcing that they would proceed with their 9/11 Never Forget Activism Project on Monday, in spite of it having been cancelled by school officials. Let’s hear it for pushing back against the man!

Let’s face it, we all know that the day Professor Lovett goes out of her way and marches across campus tearing down Hillary Clinton posters, or any other pet cause of the Social Justice Warriors, will be the day that her purple hair turns white.

–Dana

79 Responses to “The Mishandling Of 9/11 Remembrances”

  1. Good grief.

    Dana (995455)

  2. Professor Lovett also believes that U.S. imperialism was to blame for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

    Blame Canada: April Galspie.

    “Mike Bonanno, owner of Miracle Mattress in Houston, has since apologized for the tasteless ad, stating that it was produced by employees without his knowledge.”

    Texas. Tasteless, indeed.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  3. the purple haired fascist doesn’t even work for a real college and what is she 90

    it just never happened for her did it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  4. nasty little troll doll

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  5. Bachelors Degrees in Social Justice are now available. We appear to have entered some sort of space-time warp. Can faster than light travel be far off?

    BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5)

  6. social justice majors sounds like community organizing, again bosnia seems to be were the seeds of 9/11 were set, I elaborated on that on my own blog, which is why intervening against assad, seems to stupidity on stilts,

    narciso (d1f714)

  7. Texas. Tasteless, indeed.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:23 pm

    Is that comment meant to be an indictment of the entire state of Texas because of the unthinking actions of one store owner and his staff?

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  8. I should point out that most college students, to say nothing of those in high school or younger, have little or direct memory of 9/11. Someone who is now 21 would have been 6 years old. They have to rely on what filters through to them from adults. I know my first awareness of national news and world news started with the Six Day War when I was 8. I didn’t really know the details, but I knew Israel had won decisively and that was A Very Good Thing.

    But to have SJWs be the filter through which 9/11 is viewed is A Very Bad Thing.

    kishnevi (4490a8)

  9. Good point, kishnevi, especially in light of Lovett, who is a professor of History.

    Dana (995455)

  10. How about an Hawaii cruise ad for Dec 7th featuring nearsighted Japanese tourists. Just think of the fun!

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  11. If someone wanted to run a “clean sweep” slate for the Saddleback Valley Community College Board, the electorate is heavily Republican. Then a 10% cutback in staff …

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  12. Then a 10% cutback in staff

    If this happens don’t neglect to bar your windows and increase the coverage of your home security sensors. That “staff” lives in your neighborhood. They’ll be bored to death and in need of cash.

    BobStewartatHome (f2b3a5)

  13. Well, here’s part of the problem: After sitting on a panel and meeting with around 80 people to discuss 9/11, and address angry audience members, Lovett said:

    .. she and her colleagues on the panel are considered campus “rabble-rousers.”But there have been no repercussions as a result of the BRC statement. “I’m tenured,” she said and then looked up, as if praising heaven.

    Dana (995455)

  14. @9. They have to rely on what filters through to them from adults.

    Not really. There’s plenty of more or less unfiltered real time video to absorb the event pretty much in the same way the rest of the nation– and the world did– at least the first 24 or 48 hours or so– as it unfolded. That is, if you could get the kids to watch it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  15. “Mike Bonanno, owner of Miracle Mattress in Houston, has since apologized for the tasteless ad, stating that it was produced by employees without his knowledge.”

    You mean, like his daughter? The woman in the ad?

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  16. Get a free box cutter with every mattress.

    Pinandpuller (dc13fb)

  17. Ace:

    When you give immunity to someone who broke the law, the point is to use that guy’s testimony against the Bigger Fish (Hillary, Kendall, Mills), not to just give the criminal a get out of jail free card so you can bury the investigation.

    Whatever. Let’s make sure Hilary wins. That will really help us take back the country in 2024. Whatever’s left of it.

    Oh, but the party will be nicely purged by then and really ready to start racking up some victories.

    And the NeverTrumpers will have guaranteed their high position in what remains of this niche rump party.

    So, you know: All that good stuff.

    Hillary won’t be so bad. I mean, so far she’s conducted herself beyond reproach.

    It’s now the Moast Conservative thing to actively campaign for corrupt statist progressive authoritarian criminals like Ms. Clinton. Didn’t you know that? Didn’t you know the #SmartSet had decided that for you?

    DNF (755a85)

  18. Legal Insurrection has posted a moving tribute.

    gbear (defc54)

  19. I just looked up Dr.Lovett in “Ratemyprofessor”. Most student reviews are positive. This does not surprise me because anyone who takes a gender studies class probably shares the same mindset. There are a few dissenting negative reviews, probably from students who had her for something other than gender studies (after all, she is a “history” teacher). Nearly all of them complain that she uses the class to push her agenda. Here is one of them:

    Margot is a nice person, but when it comes to having the students “discuss” a topic, it’s the equivalent of verbal worksheets. She attempts to make you come up with thoughtful responses, but you’ll quickly find that she already knows the answer and ends up treating you like a child. Essays are graded by the proximity of your answer to her opinions.

    Tony (ff2fe4)

  20. God Bless Ace Bailey and his family. A man made to make underprivileged kids laugh.

    mg (31009b)

  21. Remember the Mattress Sale!

    Can’t wait for their mattress sale commemorating the Alamo. No mattress (or customer?) will survive.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  22. #2 “Texas. Tasteless, indeed.”

    In the immortal words of Lyle Lovett: That’s right, you’re not from Texas; but Texas loves you anyway.

    avid lurker (09c966)

  23. OH NOES!!!!!

    UPDATE: CBS News reports the pool of reporters who travel with Clinton “are being penned in at 9/11 memorial, not informed of her current whereabouts.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/243626/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. pens are for piggies they got it backward

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  25. We’re all going to have fainting spells if stinkypig wins.
    Hopefully, our #NeverTrump friends will offer us some smelling salts and a comfy chair to sit in … after they’re done celebrating.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  26. The YAF poster is pretty graphic, but it is high time that someone on campus gives the youth an honest portrait of our enemy.

    Yes, Virginia, there is an enemy.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  27. These revisionist lemming Democrats have gone out of their way to try to disappear the pic of the “falling man” who went out of the WTC tower window to escape the flames. It’s how they roll.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. Oh my!!! Hundreds leave 9/11 ceremonies in Lower Manhattan early feeling faint and near collapse from heat and seek shelter in family or friends apartments!!!

    Oh wait. Apparently only Hillary Clinton did.

    The CNN video of Maudie being held up and stumbling like a sick drunk into her black van speaks volumes. There’s something wrong with her. And the media keeps making excuses for her about it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. She’s got low energy.
    You would too, if you had written 87,000 emails during the past eight years!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  30. After Jadis Hillary spoke the Deplorable Word against Real Americans and the Virtual Frog Infantry who defend them, a vengeful LORD couldn’t just let her take a 9/11 ceremony in vain like that.

    https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/775007255360069632

    She’s fighting them and losing movement like my Alzheimer’s-addled grandpa used to fight us when getting him into the car. Highly telling.

    Definitely the greatest news of the day.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  31. I took some Computer Science classes at Saddleback, which is near my home, in 1995. The department was quite good. The husband of the Chair teaches some classes at UCI, including “Data Structures.”

    The classes in non-STEM programs are weak but many are transferrable to UC four year colleges.

    I know that basic remedial-type courses like Algebra are crowded and need more classes. I doubt there is a shortage of gender studies instructors. My daughter attended that college for two years and transferred to UCLA where she got her BS and MS. My daughter-in-law also attended there and transferred to Cal State Chico. These kids are just trying to get on with their college education. It is shameful that such radicals can get tenure in these very basic institutions.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  32. There’s something wrong with her. And the media keeps making excuses for her about it.

    I was looking for the big black guy with the syringe. Maybe he was off today and that was the problem.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  33. I just looked at the video posted at Ace. The big black guy was holding her up as they got her into the van.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  34. Ten years ago a movie was released that was roundly panned, not for the quality of the movie itself but because it was “too soon”. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481522/

    Wonder if this, like *GhostBusters*, is now ready for a “timely” remake?

    Pouncer (806511)

  35. “Ten years ago a movie was released that was roundly panned, not for the quality of the movie itself but because it was “too soon”. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481522/

    Wonder if this, like *GhostBusters*, is now ready for a “timely” remake?”

    We’ve got the script already:

    http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  36. oh my goodness that video at #35

    that’s a very very sick and feeble criminal stinkypig

    doddering old women get their licenses confiscated and have their asses put in eldercare for a lot less than that

    it’s cause of they’re a danger to themselves and others

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  37. 34. Her staff says it is the heat.

    She couldn’t stands the 80 degree or so temperature.

    The question is, did this happen by itself, or did Vladimir Putin poison her somehow, and if he did, why does he not realize that hurts Donald Trump’s chances? I guess his not being familiar enough with American politics could explain that.

    I think Hillary Clinton’s getting the wrong medication. She’s known to have hypothyroidism, and to also be taking Coumadin to prevent blood clots. Shes also taking extra Vitamin B12. Her cough probably comes from a dry throat/infection. The infection, though, shouldn’t be chronic, even if it’s strep throat.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  38. when will twitter censor the video

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  39. it’s funny to watch the secret service thugtrash as they ineptly try to block the cameras from getting video of the stumblepig

    they’re not good for much are they

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  40. here’s what the pig’s propaganda sluts at cnn were supposed to push as the narrative today

    9/11 audio tapes reveal livid Hillary Clinton

    Newly released audio reveals Hillary Clinton’s reaction to the 9/11 attacks and her criticism of the Bush administration and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani over safe air quality claim.
    Source: CNN

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. Texas Democrats. Tasteless, indeed.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:23 pm

    FTFY – No L, I, or R would unthink in this manner.

    Is that comment meant to be an indictment of the entire state of Texas because of the unthinking actions of one store owner and his staff?
    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:39 pm

    No, Hoagie, just unthinking Texas Democrats.

    felipe (023cc9)

  42. Coumadin can cause lots of problems if the metabolic levels are not constantly monitored. One would assume that she has daily house calls though.

    She’s an old, out-of-shape, overweight woman trying to play a younger person’s game. I can see how she could become exhausted, but you’d think her morning would be good.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  43. kishnevi (4490a8) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:41 pm

    I completely agree.

    felipe (023cc9)

  44. here’s a direct link to the stumblepig video on youtube

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  45. Just remember, guys:

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/774062203213385728

    Also re Dr. Harambe, from Dr. Drew:

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/18/dr-drew-gravely-concerned-about-hillary-clintons-health

    “”Both of us concluded that if we were providing the care she was receiving, we would be ashamed to show up in a doctors’ lounge,” Dr. Drew concluded. “We would be laughed out. She’s receiving sort of 1950s-level care by our evaluation.”

    Pinsky said Clinton has received unconventional treatments over the years, calling the medical decisions “bizarre” and speculating that it could be causing uncommon side effects.

    He said Clinton had two episodes of deep venus thrombosis, or blood clots in her legs, and suffers from hypothyroidism. He said the drug she was given for hypothyroidism was “very unconventional” and used in the 60s.

    Pinsky then said Clinton was put on an anticoagulant that “really isn’t used anymore,” adding that a person of Clinton’s stature would be expected to receive a newer drug.

    After Clinton fell and hit her head in 2012, she suffered a “transverse sinus thrombosis,” which he called an “exceedingly rare clot” that he has only come across once in his career.

    He said in his estimation, the earlier treatments she received may have led to problems with her “coagulation system.”

    “So the very medicine doctors are using may be causing this problem and they’re using an old fashioned medicine to treat it – what is going on with her health care? Maybe they have reasons, but at a distance, it looks bizarre.””

    It looks like chickens coming home to roost. May her host body and the mysterious juju that keeps it going continue entertaining us until November.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  46. And a 19 sec one on twitters… Nothing to see here!

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/365746.php

    This is not teh Sick Old Lady candidate you are looking for #NeverTrumpers !

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/11/2016 @ 12:39 am

    Especially his daughter. Anyone with a free will will exercise it; some will use it recklessly.

    felipe (023cc9)

  48. She needs to avoid garlic, mirrors and direct sunlight!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  49. The subject can be restored to operating condition with a mere 1 hour defragmentation and dialysis cycle.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  50. Texas Democrats. Tasteless, indeed.
    DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:23 pm

    ============================================

    Ain’t no meat, however stringy, cain’t Texas BBQ fix!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  51. Ozzy appears at 9/11 Memorial… https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsFY1JuWEAAUGnj.jpg

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. Then there’s this more damning version

    https://twitter.com/OldRowOfficial/status/775008564158930944

    NOT a stumble. She was unable to walk.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  53. 9. The Cuban Missile crisis took place before I knew anything about what was going on. I didn’t know about it, although my father later said, in passing, some years later, that the world almost came to an end or something like that. So that’s the cloest I have to how it felt at the time.

    My first real knowledge of President Kennedy came the day he was assassinated. I was 8 3/4

    I really did not know about the 1964 election. I mean I didn’t know who was the Barry that some other children wanted to see “with a bullet in his neck, a knife in his back, and a rope on his chest, hanging on the WhiteStone Bridge – undressed!” I did not sing along, though. I hated that. Just on general principles.

    It was a parody of some other song.

    I think I knew at least the major stories in 1965/66.

    I began following the news on a daily basis in April, 1967 the Monday after the Friday of the military coup in Greece – and just then the whole crisis in the Middle East erupted. I haven’t stopped since, with a few minor exceptions.

    So people born before 1995 should remember 9/11, and people a few years older than that, in great detail, but it has been in atomosphere and talked about a lot since.

    Rush Limbaugh says people know things that happened after they were born. Note he says born, not when someone was ten years old. They wouldn’t have found out about it till 5 to 10 years later, but 5 to 10 years later, people are still talking about it. I am sure kishnevi and others heard things related to World War II, which children nowadays wouldn’t hear, but from that, something even now hangs over. But I think they’ve finally stopped talking about the Civil War in the United States. There was an upsurge of interest at the time of the Centennial, and then interest fell through the floor. The fact that slavery was a backdrop probably keeps some interest alive, but today’s students would probably place in the 1830s rather than the 1860s.

    For people younger than 20 now, how much they know about 9/11 probably depends on how much their family was affected – a 3 year old, born in 1998, might have known a lot if it affected daily activities or somebody’s life a lot.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  54. omg hilarious spin from National Soros Radio propaganda slut Merritt Kennedy

    Video published on Twitter appears to show Clinton being assisted into a van. The woman in the video appears unsteady on her feet and wobbles on her way into the vehicle. Tamara is seeking comment from the Clinton campaign about the authenticity of this footage, as well as further information about the incident.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  55. Re: Hillary’s fainting:

    If she’s having any trouble breathing, that could explain the fainting, or maybe her blood pressure has been lowered too much.

    She may not have good doctors, and is too secretive to consult any others.

    I think what we probably have here is a failure to correctly diagnose what’s going on, and/or symptoms caused by medications. Is drinking alcohol maybe not being taken into account?

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  56. interesting

    Mr. Trump was there at the same ceremony

    maybe the pig had another allergy attack to him

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  57. 47. Yes, bad or inferior medical treatment, as is typical for many VIPs, but what explains the fainting? I would say most likely low blood pressure. Or she’s not getting enough oxygen.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  58. RE: Hillary’s health:

    Here’s a possible explanation, at least of the coughing (and aleergy is one common wrong diagnosis)

    http://www.fauquierent.net/cough.htm

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  59. She has Parkinson’s.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  60. did you notice that in the video where she’s leaving chelsea’s new york penthouse she’s not wearing the same outfit she had on at the ceremony

    i wonder if she pooped herself

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  61. I don’t think Parkinson’s is the explanation. It’s too serious and disabling. I think it’s the “explanation” she may want out there, because it can be debunked. Her interest in Provigil several years ago is better explained as an attempt to avoid jet lag. Why would she have her State Department staff research medications her doctor was proposing? You could think of a few reassons, but the contetxt seems to be something about military pilots staying awake Jake sullivan wrote taht he made amistake in saying taht the military invented the drug.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  62. 62. Irritable bowel syndrome?

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  63. poor old woman you can’t take her anywhere

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  64. Sammy,

    Why do you always look for (and find) the real hidden reason behind things? Try Occam’s Razor for a change.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  65. 44. Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/11/2016 @ 10:06 am

    Coumadin can cause lots of problems if the metabolic levels are not constantly monitored. One would assume that she has daily house calls though.

    They were testing for – actually tghe platelet clot levels – every week or so in the 1990s.

    I think the doctors don’t test enough for it. It is affected very much by what else someone eats.

    In case of emergency, it can be counteracted by Vitamin K, which would be given before any operation. It stays in the blood maybe 3 or 4 days or so.

    She’s an old, out-of-shape, overweight woman trying to play a younger person’s game. I can see how she could become exhausted, but you’d think her morning would be good.

    Her doctor doesn’t understand what she’s doing, or is not being allowed to know enough. she seems to be fine most days, zand has lots of scheduled appearances.

    Having trouble because of the heat means there’s something wrong with her sweating or temperature control.Some doctor here might prpose what commonly prescribed dfrug might cause that. She probably has too little salt and too little water in her system.

    http://www.aafp.org/afp/2005/0601/p2141.html

    Some medicines can put you in danger of heatstroke. Tell your doctor what medications you are taking. Some medicines that may affect heatstroke are….

    •Thyroid pills

    •Water pills

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15875615

    The thyroid axis is involved in thermoregulation, and its dysfunction dysfunction leads to loss of thermal homeostasis. Hyperthyroidism predisposes an individual to heat illness and hypothyroidism to hypothermia.

    She has hypothyroidism, but maybe she could be given too much hormone, or is what happened the result f too little thyroid hormone?

    It would be more like she didn’t take it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/sep/08/underactive-thyroid-was-slowly-killing-me

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  66. 66. Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/11/2016 @ 11:02 am

    Sammy,

    Why do you always look for (and find) the real hidden reason behind things? Try Occam’s Razor for a change.

    What would Occam’s Razor be over here?

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  67. Post up about Hillary’s fall this morning.

    Dana (995455)

  68. We’re all going to have fainting spells if stinkypig wins.
    Hopefully, our #NeverTrump friends will offer us some smelling salts and a comfy chair to sit in … after they’re done celebrating.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/11/2016 @ 8:02 am

    When are you fools going to figure out you can’t insult people into voting for Trump? It just shows you Trumpkins can’t make the case for voting for Trump. All you have is ridicule.

    Pro tip: that’s not the way to win friends.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  69. Steve57,

    That’s not intended as an insult against you.
    Many NeverTrumpers prefer Hillary to win; George Will, Glenn Beck, Kori Schake, Max Boot, Paul Wolfowitz, Meg Whitman, our friend Dustin, etc.
    Some NeverTrumpers have literally said at this blog that they can’t wait to see our reaction when Hillary wins, although they generally direct that sentiment toward the Trump voters who supported him throughout the primaries and insisted he would ultimately win, as opposed to someone such as myself who is only voting for him because he’s the nominee.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  70. “”Both of us concluded that if we were providing the care she was receiving, we would be ashamed to show up in a doctors’ lounge,” Dr. Drew concluded. “We would be laughed out. She’s receiving sort of 1950s-level care by our evaluation.”

    Pinsky said Clinton has received unconventional treatments over the years, calling the medical decisions “bizarre” and speculating that it could be causing uncommon side effects.

    He said Clinton had two episodes of deep venus thrombosis, or blood clots in her legs, and suffers from hypothyroidism. He said the drug she was given for hypothyroidism was “very unconventional” and used in the 60s.

    Pinsky then said Clinton was put on an anticoagulant that “really isn’t used anymore,” adding that a person of Clinton’s stature would be expected to receive a newer drug…”

    It looks like chickens coming home to roost. May her host body and the mysterious juju that keeps it going continue entertaining us until November.

    Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/11/2016 @ 10:12 am

    Yes. Hillary! is paranoid about secrecy, as we’ve seen with her illegal server, which was only set up to keep her information away from Congress, FOIA requests, the courts, and the American people. She could give a rat’s @$$ about keeping her information secret from foreign intelligence services. Similarly, she chooses staff not based on their competence but on personal loyalty and sycophancy. I mean, my God, Hillary! has been a disaster at every job she ever had. But to be fair, her own measure of success is graft and corruption, she never cared about anything else. Why should she care if her court toadies were good at their jobs, as long as they would aid and abet her criminal enterprise by helping her hide the evidence.

    We shouldn’t be surprised to find this paranoid, obsessed-with-secrecy-uberalles unindicted felon chooses her doctors on the same basis. Incompetent doctors, but they can keep a secret.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  71. Steve57 (9595d5) — 9/11/2016 @ 11:44 am

    Yes. Hillary! is paranoid about secrecy, as we’ve seen with her illegal server, which was only set up to keep her information away from Congress, FOIA requests, the courts, and the American people. She could give a rat’s @$$ about keeping her information secret from foreign intelligence services.

    That’s where I disagree with you. If some information that was personally important to her was obtained by a foreign intelligence agency, it ultimately might become available to the American people, or to prosecutors. And what was on server was information related to her.

    Besides, the same tactics that would safeguard information from foreign intelligence agencies needed to be used to protect the server from her political rivals (who might be acting illegally) or from American hackers, like the ones who got into the personal AOL account of the Director of the CIA, or the personal account of James Clapper.

    (The hacker got into the CIA Director’s AOL account by, first, impersonating a Verizon employee, which enabled him to get enough information to be reset his AOL password. Clintonemail.com, of course, had no lost-password reset – a very serious vulnerability that almost every big system has.

    It also may have required the personal attention of an administrator to link any new devices to it. That’s maybe why Huma Abedin needed Hillary’s Blackberry – because she couldn’t log on to her clintonemail account from any other device in the Washington area other than maybe what Bryan Pagkliano had and eeven then maybe what he did is call up the local New York based SYSOP, Justin Cooper, first, beause he may not have had a permanent account. To hack into it, you’d have to penetrate any linked device first, and this what maybe happened with the female aide of Bill Clinton’s.)

    Being secure from Congress, FOIA requests, prosectors, Inspector generals, the American people, and possible future presidentiallly appoined inquiry commissions was an additional level of security that no other system could provide!

    I agree with you that she didn’t care about national security secrets. But she did care about whatever was on clintonemail.com.

    She even made the security at state.gov weaker by causing the newly-installed anti-phishing spam filter to be disabled for awhile in 2010 or 2011, until Bryan Pagliano, probably, could whitelist her clintonemail.com e-mail address without making a record of that. She didn’t care too much about that. That’s because they weren’t, for the most part, her secrets. But she did care about whatever was on clintonemail.com

    Similarly, she chooses staff not based on their competence but on personal loyalty and sycophancy….We shouldn’t be surprised to find this paranoid, obsessed-with-secrecy-uberalles unindicted felon chooses her doctors on the same basis. Incompetent doctors, but they can keep a secret.

    She doesn’t know how to tell who is and who is not a great doctor, and may not realize that there’s a difference in quality between different doctors.

    Sammy Finkelman (337057)

  72. Sammy, there is a simple INR test now for coumadin dosing that is done in the field and some patients do themselves.

    http://inrselftest.com/for-patients/what-is-pt-inr-self-testing/

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  73. Testing PT/INR every 4 to 6 weeks is crazy. My father used to have someone come over – they useed to have visiting nurses – I think – maybe once a week and that was too infrequent. If the dose was never calibrated right in the first place, every time it is tested it is going to show an up and down. It’s very much affected by diet. For any measure to be good the diet has to be stable and the Coumadic dosage has to be stable.

    I know they reduced the frequency of testing.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  74. @55. Interesting take. You had to be made aware for the missile crisis to truly see the genuine fear across the country in play. Even as youngsters, around your age, we were aware mainly because we watched the parents and neighbors prepare and our daily routines were drastically changed through it.

    There has not been anything close to that kind of guttural fear across the nation and neighborhoods-since that time. Not even 9/11 comes close. Of course at school we’d practiced ‘duck and cover’ drills and lined up along the hallways, seated, with hands clasped behind our necks to protect from flying glass. Futile silliness of course. But it made for making the possibility of a thermonuclear exchange all the more genuine in day to day life.

    In what was then unusual, the radios and TV were left on all the time– up and down the streets in the neighborhoods. People who didn’t have bomb shelters in their backyards or were close to a designated Civil Defense fallout shelter were trying to assemble makeshift ones in their basements–as my mother tried to do. Food stores were sold out of everything and streets grew quiet. We were living at that time in North Jersey, not to far from a primary target, NYC, with father at work in Manhattan and mother on the phone with him constantly while instructing us where to stay when a CD alert was broadcast: under the cots shed set up in the basement and away from the window between the shelving full of canned food when the flash occurred.

    We’d of course been vaporized all the same.

    Nothing in my lifetime has even come close to that kind of pervasive sense of genuine apprehension.

    Today, for kids, it’s a Cold War curiosity; a chapter in a history book, fodder for movies or perhaps as video game as well.

    There’s a lot of real time television about 9/11. And like thousands of others, I’d done a lot of banking and shopping under the WTC; caught the PATH to Jersey and usually took the subway uptown from there. As you likely know, most people weren’t aware of the existence of a large public concourse; a shopping and banking complex beneath the towers, nor the size and importance of that transit hub to Jersey, the boros and uptown. Or the ‘yuge’ bank of escalators as well.

    Television never really was capable of capturing the sheer size of the WTC and over the years I’ve found it hard to explain that to adults alive to see the place on TV but had never been to the towers first hand. Television does that. Of all the NYC buildings I was ever in the only one I ever felt an uneasy awareness about was the World Trade Center. You could feel the elevators move to and fro as they moved up and down and barely sense the building sway with the winds as it was designed to do. It was unsettling. No other building made me feel better to be done with busness and out of it.

    On the other hand, as kids we never understood my late grandmother’s steadfast refusal to buy a TV set made in Japan until the time came in 1969 when there simply wasn’t one around she could afford that was ‘Made in the USA.’ We’d ask ‘why’… and she always respond: ‘They bombed us.’

    It was a very real ‘something’ to her. To us kids, not so much.

    So it will happen with 9/11. Like picnicking at Gettysburg.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. 76. DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/11/2016 @ 1:38 pm

    @55. Interesting take. You had to be made aware for the missile crisis to truly see the genuine fear across the country in play. Even as youngsters, around your age, we were aware mainly because we watched the parents and neighbors prepare and our daily routines were drastically changed through it.

    I was in the beginning of the 3rd grade. Nothing changed in any routine. My father was in his grocery store most of the day. My brother was still at home (not in any school) that year. Nothing that I remember happened in school.

    In what was then unusual, the radios and TV were left on all the time– up and down the streets in the neighborhoods. People who didn’t have bomb shelters in their backyards or were close to a designated Civil Defense fallout shelter were trying to assemble makeshift ones in their basements–

    I don’t recall any of that.

    The time I remember the radio staying on was with the assassination of President Kennedy the next year. I was home from school. We got off Fridays early. A neighbor, whio worked as a TV repairman, came in and told my mother and me. I put on the radio by my desk and kept listening to it.

    Later I was sent to fetch my brother from kindergarten, and I met him on the way, (to my father’s store) and I told him. He told me he already knew. I was surprised he already knew, as I didn’t expect a school to tell children about that, as it had nothing to do with school.

    On that Friday, I went to library, as usual, to return books. I met someone and asked who would be the next president. he said “Lyndon Baines Johnson.” That was the first I heard of Johnson.

    I don’t think I watched television news – I think we still got our main news from the radio – at least anyway updates – but my parents saw Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald (I think) My mother said he took the law into his own hands. (my personal feeling has always been that he was afraid they would not carry out the death penalty – Ruby himself said he wanted to spare Jacqueline Kennedy having to go to the trial.)

    There has not been anything close to that kind of guttural fear across the nation and neighborhoods-since that time. Not even 9/11 comes close. Of course at school we’d practiced ‘duck and cover’ drills

    Never happened in my school, at least not by 1960 or 1961. That was maybe only in certain public schools.

    We were living at that time in North Jersey, not to far from a primary target, NYC,

    Everybody who ever wrote about this thought the main target was cities. That’s in Fail Safe. All the people who wrote books in the 1950s thought that way. I am not sure that was true. But it is probably true now about North Korea. A missile Kim Jong Un launches at Manhattan, would probably fall wide of teh mark, out to sea, or in New Jersey, or maybe the missile might be intercepted by the Strategic Defense Initiative if it’s still maintained and tggehy are on alert. Or the North Korean regime might be gone.

    My feeling since Sept 11, 2001 has always been that there would not be another attack soon – they shot their bolt – but there could be a second more devastating attack 20 years later.

    There’s a lot of real time television about 9/11. And like thousands of others, I’d done a lot of banking and shopping under the WTC; caught the PATH to Jersey and usually took the subway uptown from there. As you likely know, most people weren’t aware of the existence of a large public concourse; a shopping and banking complex beneath the towers, nor the size and importance of that transit hub to Jersey, the boros and uptown. Or the ‘yuge’ bank of escalators as well.

    the only part of the World trade Center I’d ever been in was the path to PATH trains to New Jersey. I was there maybe a few times in 1985-1986. I remember the concourse. I’d never been in the buildings.

    Of all the NYC buildings I was ever in the only one I ever felt an uneasy awareness about was the World Trade Center. You could feel the elevators move to and fro as they moved up and down and barely sense the building sway with the winds as it was designed to do. It was unsettling. No other building made me feel better to be done with busness and out of it.

    So they really were unstable.

    Someone Who was in Hatziolah mentioned a few years later taht he was there. Someone else told him to go in. He said he wasn’t going to go in. The person asked why. He said the building was going to come down. Which it proceeded to do right then. They escaped.

    So it will happen with 9/11. Like picnicking at Gettysburg.

    It may take awhile for that, as it did with Gettysburg actually. They’ll still be doing the annual reading of the names in 2085 – even in 2100, although they’ll have to get people who weren’t alive then to read the names. Provided of course that the site is not destroyed, in which case the whole might get subsumed in another memorial.

    Now after several hundred or a thousand years, they might mix up the location, and put the site of the Twin Towers in Battery Park, or at Police Plaza.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  76. The ultimate in mishandling 9/11 remembrances. Courtesy of President Yorkie Terrier b***h.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/09/report-911-moment-of-silence-moved-up-because-obama-got-restless.php

    …The report, by Peter Hasson, is based on a Defense Department source.

    The moment of silence was supposed to occur at 9:37 a.m., the time of day when the Pentagon was hit. But the moment of silence was moved up. Hasson’s source says that Obama made the decision because he arrived early and didn’t want to wait…

    If this is true, and had I been in charge, I can’t honestly say words would have failed me. One word wouldn’t have failed me. “No.”

    I wouldn’t have said , “No, sir” because President Plastic Dashboard Chicago Jesus wouldn’t lower himself to speak to me directly, so I know I’d be speaking to one of his sycophantic throne sniffers, and they wouldn’t be in my chain of command.

    If President Tiger Beat didn’t want to wait, I would have told his butt boy that nobody is making him wait. His motorcade is right there. He’s free to leave, and we can have the ceremony without him. If court toady responded that would make King Putt look bad, I’d have said, so would moving up the ceremony to accommodate the itch in his pants. Or, more likely, his tee time at Andrews.

    Big, empty talk? I don’t think so. Although keep in mind I’m speaking as a guy who spent the last half of his 20 years as a reservist. Our unofficial motto was, “I’ve quit once, I can do it again. I have a track record.” There is a practical consideration. That audience at the Pentagon would have been full of men and women I might have to lead one day. After Obama leaves office. And I can only do that if they know loyalty and respect runs down the the chain as well as up. That’s what the ceremony is really about. Yes, we honor the dead, but we honor those who will come after us. The ceremony is not for the dead it’s for the living. We’re a team, and we owe each other respect. Along comes Obama, who demands, chop chop, we change things to convenience him. Like some ensign cutting to the head of the line because everybody else is “only” enlisted. Worse, unlike butterbars Obama never put on a uniform. No, that can’t be allowed. The code must be observed, and if I don’t observe it I’m done as an officer anyway. Nobody should follow me if I turn into a dancing bear at the hint of Obama’s displeasure. I’ve just let down every good leader who set the example for me, and I’ve disgraced myself. I can’t allow that to happen.

    Besides, what’s to worry about? Obama is going to court martial me because he wanted to disrespect the dead? Good luck with that. Likely a military judge would throw it out because our Freshman Dorm Preezy was exercising undo command influence, as has happened because Tiger Beat is wont to do just that. If not, no jury of my peers would convict me.

    Steve57 (9595d5)

  77. years ago, I thought less of bob graham’s investigations, but since awlaki emerged from the san diego connection, and other reports arising out of sarasota, then he we have the fact that both abu zubeydah, and ghassan sharbi had some interesting ties to saudi officialdom, one has to revisit the matter,

    WMD’s ended up the issue of lowest common denominator for two reasons, many countries had supplied the precursors, also terrorism and dictatorship, defines about two thirds of the general assembly,

    narciso (d1f714)


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