Trump Praises Putin; Lewandowski Applauds; Plus: READER POLL!
In the recent town hall, Trump once again praised Vladimir Putin, calling him “a leader far more than our president.” Grabby Corey Lewandowski echoed the sentiment, saying Putin is stronger than Obama. (The lack of pesky checks and balances is always a plus, amirite Corey?) This morning Hugh Hewitt jumped in:
Putin's an evil man. POTUS a good but incompetent man. Putin has served his country's national interest better. https://t.co/6R2N0dajHM
— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) September 9, 2016
1. That's why he is an evil man. Projection of Russian power back into Middle East, rebuild of military, annexation https://t.co/SFcKZDZLLI
— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) September 9, 2016
2. Crimea, cyber-espionage, intimidation of Europe…this is great power politics that, while morally repugnant, is effective.
— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) September 9, 2016
3. When Nixon met with Mao it didn't make Mao any less the greatest murderer of post WW 2 era, but most historians rank him effective leader
— Hugh Hewitt (@hughhewitt) September 9, 2016
It occurred to me while I was reading this that Mao — who was actually the worst mass murderer in all human history, not just post WW2 — is also not Hillary. Which made me wonder:
If we could reanimate Chairman Mao and put him up against Hillary, who would the Trumpers vote for? The nationalist who put his country’s interests first . . . while killing about 45 million people in his country? Or the dirty stinky socialist woman who hates America?
Let’s find out with this READER POLL!
Very important caveat: assume Chairman Mao, while previously an avowed Communist, is now running as a Republican. He now says he will appoint judges suggested by the Federalist Society, build a wall, and Make America Great Again, just like he did for China.
It’s a binary choice. Here’s the poll.
I’m predicting about 30% for reanimated Mao.
If you don’t vote, you can’t complain about the results.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:33 am“A good but incompetent man”
Hewitt is a twit.
Hillary on news ISIS is pul
DNF (ffe548) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:36 am2. Cont. Hillary on news ISIS is pulling for Trump:
IOW, #nevertrump pretty please induce the Great White Satan to step in front of a bullet.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:38 amGreetings:
It’s hard to judge a social justice warrior like Mao from a different century.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:41 amTo be fair, Rodrigo Duterte is a starter kit – Mao by these standards and I’d vote for him in a heartbeat over HRC.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:43 amPutin is the ultimate squirrel.
Americans can’t name the 50 States with their capitols are silly putty in the hands of government propagandists like Rhodes, a sometime screenwriter.
We are not exceptional, but pathetic.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:47 amNot exactly, Putin is the ultimate Great White Defendant.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:51 am“Intimidation of Europe”
Our handmaiden Merkel has backed away from supporting Ukraine because of our fecklessness, e.g., total failure in Syria to supplant Gazprom as natural gas supplier to Europe.
Hewitt is an ignoramus.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:55 amOur esteemed host wrote:
In the real world, I can vote without voting for either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.
The real world Dana (f6a568) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:59 amWhat do you want to bet this poll has low turnout?
Patterico (45770e) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:00 amComparing Trump to Mao? I guess this is the next logical step for nevertrumpers after comparing him to Hitler became too silly even for progressives.
Still pretty freak’in silly though.
LBascom (a49e60) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:05 amNnnnnnnope.
Just seeing where the dividing line is between the genuine Lesser of Two Evils crowd and the #NeverHillary crowd.
I am not comparing Trump to Mao — and in a poll between Trump and reanimated Mao I would cheerfully vote Trump.
Who did you vote for in this poll, LBascom? Or did you not vote because it was a ridiculous choice?
I’ll pause now while that sinks in. Not with you, maybe, but with others.
Patterico (45770e) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:12 amWhat do you want to bet this poll has low turnout?
Patterico (45770e) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:00 am
LOL! Well done on the poll, maybe now they will understand. I said earlier, in the year, that 2016 would have the lowest turnout. At least, in the general, people can write in a candidate.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:12 am11. This is what passes for an effort to justify being parasites in the gut of apparatchiks of the Borg. One observes who signs their checks and kow tows as inconspicuously as possible.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:13 amWhich is not to suggest that I think people should not vote in this poll.
I think you should. Really.
So far reanimated Mao has 38%. But that’s after very little time and very few votes.
Patterico (45770e) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:14 amNo question that Putin is a more powerful effective leader than Obama.
But almost ANYONE is a more powerful effective leader than Obama.
Poll is stupid and sophomoric.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:15 am12. Implausible evidence of deniability. You are no where near a line.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:16 amWhy don’t you
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:23 ampolepoll these fvckers? https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/243444/Four years ago I was told that fear of Russia was really stupid and old fashion. I’m so confused.
AZ Bob (d6a3a9) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:23 amOr are we teh fvckers we’ve been waiting for?
Colonel Haiku (f2bc98) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:25 amSo are you saying that Ted Cruz can’t even beat Chairman Mao?
Sad!
Pinandpuller (9ac09b) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:46 amI hope Hillary has a coughing fit during the Presidential debate.
Dejectedhead (26df9b) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:51 amstinkypig is even more unaccountable and totalitarian-minded than vladimir putin
she’s a nasty and wholly lawless criminal pig
and she wants to do it all up in america
she has to be stopped
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:54 ami have a few minutes so i will explain to the silly nevertrumpies what do not have a finely honed moral compass the key difference between stinkypig and Mr. Trump
we already have loads of evidence that failmerica’s corrupt propaganda slut cnn ap npr trash are foursquare in the pig’s corner
we already have loads of evidence that failmerica’s corrupt and sleazy Department of Justice is foursquare in the pig’s corner
we know beyond a doubt that corrupt James Comey and the corrupt fbi piggy-pansies serve the pig with all their useless cowardly hearts
we know for a fact that Mr. Trump has no such fascist alliances in place
advantage: Mr. The Donald
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:01 amI would vote for the Libertarian candidate.
Charlie Davis (285510) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:01 amDo you understand Latin, Patrick ? If so, you should know reductio ad absurdum.
That’s what you did. Mao destroyed China for decades.
Putin is asserting Russian interests. We don’t agree but he is nothing like Mao and I think you know it.
Mike K (a398b9) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:07 amWhat’s a #NeverMao guy to do?
Third party, write in, or stay home. There’s a reason turnout has been low…
Glenn (c50b61) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:08 amPatterico, you ARE comparing Trump to Mao, in that you think they are both evil. As for me, I’ve been on the Trump train from the start, because I don’t think he’s evil at all. I think he was the best choice out of all his republican challengers AT THIS TIME. Eight years ago, hell, even four years ago, he wouldn’t have been my choice, but at this point the Republican establishment has proven to be utterly untrustworthy, and PC has grown into a monster that only Trump has been willing to challenge.
So play your little gotcha games to justify your stubborn pride, but I for one am not impressed. Even Levin has conceded Trump is the only rational choice; your island is getting smaller by the day.
LBascom (a49e60) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:14 amI hope a few Trump supporters would balk at voting for Mao but it sounds like several would happily vote for Putin. In fact, it probably wouldn’t even be a tough choice because Putin is a real man like their guy Trump.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:31 amTrump will be a joke as President. He won’t take advice in his campaign or as President, and he will do whatever he feels like doing. He thinks this is what his hero Putin does.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:41 am“JUDGING BY the amount of time NBC’s Matt Lauer spent pressing Hillary Clinton on her emails during Wednesday’s national security presidential forum, one would think that her homebrew server was one of the most important issues facing the country this election. It is not. There are a thousand other substantive issues — from China’s aggressive moves in the South China Sea to National Security Agency intelligence-gathering to military spending — that would have revealed more about what the candidates know and how they would govern. Instead, these did not even get mentioned in the first of 5½ precious prime-time hours the two candidates will share before Election Day, while emails took up a third of Ms. Clinton’s time.
Sadly, Mr. Lauer’s widely panned handling of the candidate forum was not an aberration. Judging by polls showing that voters trust Mr. Trump more than Ms. Clinton, as well as other evidence, it reflects a common shorthand for this election articulated by NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick last week: “You have Donald Trump, who’s openly racist,” he said. Then, of Ms. Clinton: “I mean, we have a presidential candidate who’s deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate. That doesn’t make sense to me, because if that was any other person, you’d be in prison.”
In fact, Ms. Clinton’s emails have endured much more scrutiny than an ordinary person’s would have, and the criminal case against her was so thin that charging her would have been to treat her very differently. Ironically, even as the email issue consumed so much precious airtime, several pieces of news reported Wednesday should have taken some steam out of the story. First is a memo FBI Director James B. Comey sent to his staff explaining that the decision not to recommend charging Ms. Clinton was “not a cliff-hanger” and that people “chest-beating” and second-guessing the FBI do not know what they are talking about. Anyone who claims that Ms. Clinton should be in prison accuses, without evidence, the FBI of corruption or flagrant incompetence.
….
Imagine how history would judge today’s Americans if, looking back at this election, the record showed that voters empowered a dangerous man because of . . . a minor email scandal. There is no equivalence between Ms. Clinton’s wrongs and Mr. Trump’s manifest unfitness for office.”
My poll of one: the Washington Post and much of the media need to be shown how the hog eats the cabbage.
Colonel Haiku (f2bc98) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:44 ami know what if we ran stinkypig against hillbilly bigot Kim Davis
it would be pig vs. pig which is more fair cause of Mr. Mao is not eligible to vote cause of constitution
(pretend like you can’t write in Mr. Trump)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:45 amIf Putin was qualified, i.e. A natural born American (born under American authority to American citizens) then I would have no problem voting for him if he was taking the same policy positions Trump is. That’s assuming he loved his country and law abiding as Trump is too. And I could see an American Putin being such an American too.
I’m pretty sure a qualified Mao would still be a democrat commie though, so no, I wouldn’t vote for him.
LBascom (a49e60) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:47 amif it was Putin vs. stinkypig then yeah Mr. Lee is right you’d have to go with Mr. Putin
let’s hope it doesn’t come to that though (fingers crossed)
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:50 amWas that from the WaPo, colonel?
Hewitt did say that he knows someone well whose wife is with the FBI, and Comey’s name is dirt among the agents, like Steve57 has said, they know by experience what should happen to someone as careless as Clinton, assuming that she was merely careless
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:52 am(Which most of us don’t think).
Mr. Trump is gonna go to that dead lady’s funeral
i just notice this bar a block from here has a schlafly beer sign in the window one of the neon kind
she sued them and lost i believe
i hardly ever go to the neighborhood bars but there sure are a lot of them
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:54 am“Comey’s name is dirt among the agents”
My daughter is an agent and I asked her about Hillary a few weeks ago. She has been a lefty since law school when she told me, as I was picking up the check for her graduation dinner, “You are a white male and your days are numbered.”
I didn’t take it personally but as a member of a disdained subset of humanity.
She said she will NOT vote for Hillary but won’t vote for Trump. She thinks the FBI “will be OK” but no mention of Comey.
Mike K (a398b9) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:00 amSpeaking of Comey’s reputation being dirt among the agents, Patterico’s reputation as a conservative, common sense kind of guy is dying (if not dead) fast.
The more dramatic and contrasting he tries to be, the more ridiculous and puerile he looks.
But hey, its his blog and so far, any fool with a computer can start a blog.
Mao… really?
How about “would you vote for a race of alien reptilian invaders using humans as a food source or Donald Trump?”
This would be more in keeping with his mental age, I’d think.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:02 amWhy not, hf? Schlafly probably had access to A-B formulas and could probably make a much better batch herself. Hopefully, the street next to your North Side neighborhood bar isnt subject to this on a weekend night.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:05 amhttp://www.cwbchicago.com/2016/09/new-video-shows-brawl-gunfire-less-than.html
the mean streets of chicago are awash with blood Mr. urban
murder stalks these streets, and worse things besides
you have to keep your wits about you
you have to make good choices
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:09 amSince Mao had more in common with Hillary!, both being communists, than he had with Trump the more accurate poll would be:
()Trump
() Mao
Your turn to choose one. You gotta make it fair by replacing one commie with another. It’s only a matter of degree.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:23 amwell it’s like in daniel, there is the big horn, and the little horn, in that alternate sliders template I go with red queen, now obama’s mentor ayers wanted to wipe 25 million of the books, somewhat as in winter soldier
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:25 amHaving considered it carefully, I’m going for Mao. He doesn’t speak English or know the American idiom well-enough to tailor his particular brand of left-wind propaganda to American prejudices, and will thus be much more easily subverted and replaced by the Alt-Right hordes. He would also have the generally salutary effect of killing off all the bourgeoise Communist useful idiots and Che-lovers, which would free us alt-righters up to support a Reanimated Hirohito counterparty using our zombie tech. (This assumes massive Chinese invasion on the level of Canada. If the Chinese demographic invasion stalls enough that we don’t need a leader matching the race, we can go for Reanimated Teddy Roosevelt.)
Additionally, if it fails and he establishes a dictatorship, America as Chinese power will have a much better chance of future scientific, demographic, and technological success with China’s 105 IQ baseline than America as 95-IQ Mexican extension(though admittedly this would require the Chinese to actually learn how to be creative rather than just copying everything from whitey like they normally do, which may be too tall an order for even the most motivated Communist.)
The biggest joke, of course, is that it’s already happening:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-08/china-rises-in-the-american-heartland-giving-as-it-takes-away
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:26 amthere’s a parallel with the race up in alaska, lisa mxlplk, remember her ended up with the republican nomination, after the mayor of anchorage dropped out, so miller is running as the libertarian, and the democrat is contemplating a write in campaign,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:28 am@33 LBascom
If Mao wins I’m moving to Formosa.
Pinandpuller (d7c535) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:30 ambegich is the one looking into the writein vote, miller is the maverick trump supporter,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:30 amTrump > Hillary > Mao
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:34 am“If Mao wins I’m moving to Formosa.”
That only works if there’s an America to defend you, genius.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:34 amJoe Miller gets the shock of his lifetime, when President Trump’s advance team turns out to be several pasty slavic men wearing dull drab olive fatigues with “nutria” winter hats. You vill be good “regional governor”, da!
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:35 amIf you had to have dinner with Marilyn Monroe or James Monroe, who would you choose, and why?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:35 amI remember when my older sister used to have slumber parties, and she and her friends would ask each other stuff like, “Who would you rather kiss; Billy Jones or Jimmy Smith?”
Or … “Who would you rather marry; Tom Cruise or Rob Lowe?”
Of course, none of them was ever going to marry Tom Cruise or Rob Lowe, but it was a fun game for young girls to play on a Saturday night.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:40 amOn the other hand, either Trump or Hillary IS going to become our next President.
That’s not a game — that’s reality.
lisa mxlplk is almost as feeb in the head as that diseased stinkypig
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:40 am@44 narciso
She can be defeated if she says her name backwards.
Pinandpuller (d7c535) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:40 ami just checked it’s tied between the pig and Mr. Mao
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:43 amthat was a joke, because in the runoff election, the authorities decided her name could be spelled ‘any which way they can’
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:44 amseems like near beer,
http://www.westernjournalism.com/facebook-co-founder-donates-20-million-to-dems-in-effort-to-defeat-trump/
well I remember doc (zuckerberg) grumpy (savarin) sleepy (hughes) but which elf is he?
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:50 amAlso absolutely LOLing at Hewett calling these ‘evil’:
“Projection of Russian power back into Middle East, rebuild of military, annexation”
Which we pretty much did and do (though outright annexation isn’t liked by the State Department so much as creating a weak puppet state for Perpetual Foreign Aid and Davos Dollas)
“2. Crimea, cyber-espionage, intimidation of Europe…this is great power politics that, while morally repugnant, is effective.”
Assuming that we don’t do the last two is childish thinking at best. As far as Crimea goes, can’t beat Sailer:
http://www.unz.com/isteve/crimea-as-comedy-of-divorce
Takeaway: Even though nominally on our side Hugh Hewitt is a lightweight embarrassment on the details.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:51 amIf you had to choose a week-long vacation in either Wasilla, Alaska or Wichita, Kansas, which would you choose?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:52 amMr Supporter asked:
James Monroe has been dead longer, so maybe his corpse won’t stink as badly.
The Dana who uses odorarm deunderant (f6a568) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:53 amDifficulty with a Polish surname is a reason why a downstate (IL) LaRouche follower bested Aurelia Pucinski in the Dem primary for IL Secretary of State in 1986. Pucinski suffered the double whammy of downstaters not wanting someone with such a weird name and also black voters who did not want a representative of the old Vrdolyak 29 Chicago City Council bloc elevated to statewide office.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:53 amMr Supporter asked:
What season? No to Wasilla in the winter, yes in the summer.
The meteorologist Dana (f6a568) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:55 amyes, but the family had held the seat for 30 years, that made it a travismockasham,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:55 amThey would be better off buying votes directly from individuals for that kind of money.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:56 amTrump will be a joke as President. He won’t take advice in his campaign or as President, and he will do whatever he feels like doing. He thinks this is what his hero Putin does.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:41 am
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The man is liable to say almost anything at any time.
OTOH, Mrs. Bill Clinton has proven herself to be a mendacious, walking criminal conspiracy prone to leaving humanitarian disasters – that will negatively impact our world for generations – in her wake.
Colonel Haiku (9e91a2) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:56 amGoaway: Dyspepsia Mook
Colonel Haiku (9e91a2) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:58 amwell lets be pragmatic the russians fought at least two wars under as many czars or czarinas, to seize the land that comprised the crimea, and two more to hold it, so they aren’t giving it up,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:58 amDystopia Max,
Obviously, Hugh Hewitt cut you off the last time you phoned his show and you’re still angry about it.
Don’t take it personally — he may have just been up against a hard break.
When Hugh characterized Barack as a ‘good’ man, he was doing so in the context of comparing him to Putin, who has actually had people murdered.
Hugh can’t stand Barack, and he says so every day.
Putin is an evil bastard. Although he may be helpful to us in fighting some strains of Jihadists. We’ll see. Let’s not ignore the fact that the Soviets/Russians have exported vicious anti-Semitism for the past hundred years.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:00 am#61 The Meteorologist Dana,
You raise a good point, as you often do.
I suppose I’d have to be fair and offer the choice of Wasilla VS Wichita during the same season. So, winter VS winter, or summer VS summer, etc.
I don’t know if you ever saw the Robin Williams/Al Pacino movie entitled Insomnia, but that 21 hrs of summer daylight in Alaska would certainly mess me up! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:05 amwhat they ignore is the evidence that wadi haddad was in their employ, he was the islamic state, to arafat’s al queda, run by the gru’s sakharovsky, according to the romanian defector pacepa,
https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160909/1045143075/mahmoud-abbas-kgb-claim.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:08 amIf we could reanimate Texan JR Ewing, TV’s greatest and most admired and despised corporate scoundrel, and run him against the pantsuited, post-meanpausal, lecturing and finger-wagging Maude Findlay, for whom would YOU vote?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:13 amin other news of little consequence,
https://twitter.com/evil_SDOC/status/774204281520029696
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:15 amSilly poll question.
David in Cal (2b55d5) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:18 amPutin is a man who loves his country and his people. America could learn a thing or three. Hugh Hewitt is incapable of learning: he’s a little bit biased.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:18 amYes.
*And presumably, Vladimir Putin.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:20 amI voted for Mao. May as well go with the actual Communist.
kishnevi (125429) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:27 amWere it not for Morro (now Abu Sayaf (Sp.?)) problems, certain Phillipine Islands would would be U.S. States by now, and thus Duterte would be a legit competitor.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:28 amdoubtful we gave up the phillipines under the bell act, after 1946, although beginning with lansdale, there was a relationship that ran from magsaysay to marcos, duterte came from a family with ties to marcos, but he joined the edsa as a youth,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:32 amHey Patterico?
Did Mr. Feet vote this time?
If he did, make sure he gets put into the jury pool, would you?
Thanks,
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:33 amOh Hugh, shame on you.
When “Nixon met Mao,” the Big Dick’s Plumbers were reassigned to work at the Committee to Reelect The President (CREEP) after they’d already successfully broken the law and broke into Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:33 amIt’s a tough call, because I’d hope that Reanimated Mao would have learned from the mistake of his 5-year plans. Clinton appears to have no ability to learn from her mistakes.
Xmas (3a75bb) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:37 amCoke or Pepsi?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:37 ama little more elaboration here, including a plot right out of ‘black widow’ the book not the graphic novel,
http://www.directmatin.fr/france/2016-09-09/attentat-dejoue-le-commando-etait-teleguide-par-daesh-depuis-la-syrie-738132
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:38 amactually the official democrat, ray metcalfe is a former republican, the republican is a dino, the libertarian is a republican, and the writein is a former democrat, got all that,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:40 amYeah, I got all that and I’d still rather kiss Billy Jones.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:46 amThe Flintstones or The Jetsons ?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:46 am69.
I have always assumed any one anyone who studied at a Soviet university was at least a useful idiot, if not a fellow traveller. No need for the KGB to explicitly recruit them: in fact the opposite. Why pay if you can get it for free?
But evidence that Abbas is some sort of idiot, useful or otherwise:
kishnevi (125429) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:47 amhttps://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160728/1043712279/palestine-to-sue-britain.html
70. At that point in history (1972/76/80), that would have been a Democratic primary battle which would have spared us that peanut farmer guy. Bella Abzug, the Maude of her time, didnt even beat Daniel Patrick Moynihan head-on.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:48 amThe NeverTrumpers problem is they consider Trump the equivalent of Chairman Mao, and thus excuse their vote for Hillary! It’s the moral relativism we are accustomed to seeing . . . on the left. They use their revulsion at Trump as an excuse to vote for the statism they desire under the false flag of Trump not being “conservative” enough. We see through your charades.
Jame
James Kliegel (aba1f3) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:48 amI’m trying to decide what to have for dinner tonight; Italian or Mexican. My gal told me it’s a binary choice. (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:49 amwell his dissertation, there was a borderline holocaust denial piece,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:55 amIf we could reanimate Chairman Mao and put him up against Hillary, who would the Trumpers vote for? The nationalist who put his country’s interests first . . . while killing about 45 million people in his country? Or the dirty stinky socialist woman who hates America?
‘You silly little man… Trix are for kids.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:59 amCS, You got one of the Bella Twins?!
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:00 pmand according to another memoirist, abu daoud, he funded the munich massacre, as fatah treasurer,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:05 pmso he would have been on the wrath of god’s sights had they known about him,
North Korea tests and nuke and some ‘foreign policy expert’ on CNN compares this to the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And the Washington Wags wonder why Trump is doing so well.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:06 pmurbanleftbehind,
It’s a binary choice; the Bella twins or the Olsen twins.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:06 pmChoose one — oops, I mean choose two. Or choose a pair! (LOL)
For a better comp, how about the late 90s Doublemint Twins v. Bella Twins. I dont do heroin chic.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:10 pmoddly the stories are in french and italian but I haven’t seen a english broadsheet,
http://www.quotidiano.net/esteri/parigi-isis-gare-de-lyon-1.2495489
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:25 pmI stand corrected,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3780550/Three-woman-arrested-French-anti-terror-police-gas-cylinders-car-near-Paris-Notre-Dame-Cathedral-police-officer-stabbed.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:29 pmMr Supporter wrote:
I can sleep anytime, anywhere, on anything.
When I was a kid, we didn’t have central heat, just one of these large gas burners with one forced air vent, that was s’posed to make it’s way through the whole house. There were many times, during the winter, that I would lay down, on the hardwood floor, right in front of that vent, and fall asleep.
The Dana who grew up poor (f6a568) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:36 pmTrix or Lucky Charms?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:41 pmMr Claus wrote:
Mrs Clinton would have to think that she has made mistakes to learn from them; people who think that they’re perfect don’t believe that they’ve ever erred.
Me? I know that I’m not perfect: backed a Cat 936 loader over a guy’s car yesterday! When I decide that I’m going to smash something, I don’t mess around; I tore it all to pieces.
The Dana who ain't perfect (f6a568) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:41 pmthe young lady involved, sarah h, is a black widow, twice over, and seems not to be able to break the cycle, with her latest beau,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:44 pmTom Brady or Peyton Manning?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 12:46 pmMao. He may be a SOB, but he’s our SOB.
Brendan (2998a5) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:14 pmThis is sort of a “When did you stop beating your wife” question. The Never Trumpers are increasingly out in space.
Gerald A (4363b0) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:26 pmI voted for Hillary in your poll because the body count disparity is too wide to tolerate any other outcome. But if you backed it off to something more equal, like Richard Ramirez (the infamous Night Stalker) or OJ Simpson, I’d at least want a psychiatrist to weigh in on which candidate is actually the greater psychopath.
Eliot (4adec5) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:34 pmI dunno, Gerald, I still have a reasonable doubt that Donald Trump would be unacceptable as POTUS.
I have absolutely zero doubt that Mrs. Bill Clinton would be a disaster and would continue to lead America down the Claymore strewn path to Hell.
Colonel Haiku (9e91a2) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:40 pmThis morning Hugh Hewitt jumped in…
Oh Hughbieeeeee… don’t take your love to town.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:45 pmGerald A,
When did you stop supporting Mao?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:45 pmAmerica will have a DJT on white bread- holds the Mao.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:52 pmGeez Dana, that’s a rather large loader. I hope no one was in the car!
LBascom (a49e60) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:57 pmI almost backed over my foremans truck with a road grader one time, while he was in it. One of the rippers put a little tiny ittsy bittsy dent in his hood before I got it stopped. He was not too happy with me. Still, he took that better than the time I started a water truck and the side spray was on…pointed right at his open window four feet away. He was madder than a wet hen. Probably didn’t help when I fell out of the truck laughing…
I never stopped supporting Mao. That explains why I plan to vote for Trump I guess.
Gerald A (4c4306) — 9/9/2016 @ 1:58 pmJR is correct. Putin is a stronger leader.
DCSCA praises Putin for suckering Americans into paying $75 million/ride on Soyuz spacecraft up to and back from the ISS instead of maintaining limited shuttle operations until a replacement spacecraft was operational. Capitalists are always quarterly driven.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:01 pmAaand, 110 wins the thread.
LBascom (a49e60) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:01 pmDoes Hewitt plan to question the loyalty- or ethics– of Larry King working for a Russian TV outlet?
“Next call. Boris and Natasha in Vladivostok, hello….”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:12 pmObviously, strength more important than ideology to Trump sypporters. I suspect that is because they think Republicans are too weak to stand up to the Democrats, and that’s probably true.
If so, I have a question for them: Why do you think Trump will stand up to them more than Cruz? Cruz was willing to oppose their most cherished legislation, ObamaCare. Trump invites them to his wedding and gives them money for their campaigns. Why do you trust him?
DRJ (15874d) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:27 pmTrump and his wife have always liked the Clintons.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:30 pm@116 Obviously, strength more important than ideology to Trump sypporters. I suspect that is because they think Republicans are too weak to stand up to the Democrats, and that’s probably true.
Nonsense. Trump is the result of the GOP deciding on day one of the Obama presidency to NOT compromise and work with him to get things done. Obstruction has been their mantre.
Voters are tired of nothing getting accomplished; of government shutdowns fostered by the likes of Tedtoo and unproductive talk, talk, talk. That’s why they’re drawn to Trump. And it is totally the fault of conservatives in the GOP. Trump has actually accomplished things. He gets things done. Conservatives, not so much.
Forget Tedtoo.
He’s sourdough.
He’s stale bread.
He’s Texas Toast.
Find a fresh loaf.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:36 pm@117- Maude and Walter were being JR Ewing-ed.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:37 pmFor more about Putin. He’s worse than most people here think.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/22/finally-we-know-about-moscow-bombings/
Essay in the form of a review of a book:
The Moscow Bombings of September 1999: Examinations of Russian Terrorist Attacks at the Onset of Vladimir Putin’s Ruleby John B. Dunlop
(and the New York Review of Books is a generally left wing publication)
See also:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/01/29/kremlin-inc
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:37 pm#110 DCSCA,
There’s a man on the line claiming to be calling from the White House. He says he wants to order his deli sandwich with Swiss cheese and French dressing. And a little Persian seasoning, if you have any.
If I were you, I’d just tell him he’ll have to eat the goddamn sandwich in order to find out what’s in it!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:41 pmNational Review had a cover story in the August 15, 2016. (pages 24-27 1.2)
It’saout the subway bmmbings and the epeople Putin has killed to hide this>
It’s behind a paywall, but the Audible page has a 30 day free rrial.
http://www.audible.com/pd/Newspapers-Magazines/The-Bloody-Czar-Audiobook/B01ETGFFHI
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:44 pmA little Persian seasoning would be Huma, and she’s busy with some stinky pig
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:46 pmBill helped Hillary out today by ALSO throwing Kentucky and West Virginia under the bus for good by mocking “the coal people.”
Hills plan is to put coal miners and coal industry outta business for good.
Bill and Hill don’t need no stinking, sweating, filthy coal miners… they’re too close to what Bill and Hill consider undesirable and probably remind them too much of their true Arkansas white trash selves.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:53 pmPTS,
A little sprinkling of Huma goes great with baloney!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:54 pm@48 Dystopia Max
I will be fine. I’ve known Tso since he was a second lieutenant.
If you get the chance you should look up Chef Peng. Actually kind of interesting in regards to Mao.
And the description of Hunanese cooking sounds like #nevertrump: “Heavy, sour, hot and salty.”
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:54 pmI vote for Johnson, Aleppo and all.
WarrenPeese (8935cc) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:58 pmWhat is up with our political leaders? Bush thought Putin was “very straightforward and trustworthy”; Hillary thought we could “reset,” and now this from Trump. I just don’t get it. At least Bush has the excuse that his comment came early on in Putin’s career and before he had established his current record.
Laura Ingraham had a nice post the other day about why I’m a complete idiot.
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:00 pm@57 Dystopia Max
Sarai Palinkova can see the Middle East from her dacha.
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:01 pmI won’t complain about the results, but I won’t vote in this poll. The reason I won’t complain about the results is because they are meaningless.
I likewise won’t vote for either Trump or Clinton. But the results there will indeed be meaningful, and I do reserve my right to complain. Indeed, I will complain regardless of whether Trump wins or Hillary wins. In either case, I will first blame those who voted for the winner; whoever else is secondarily responsible, theirs is indisputably the primary responsibility.
In apportioning secondary responsibility, I will shovel that freely and widely, including upon my own head. When two competing political parties can produce no better nominees than these, everyone has a share of secondary responsibility, and while we can and doubtless will argue about relative assessments, that discussion will ultimately be about as consequential as a gnat fart at the eye of a much bigger hurricane than Hermine.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:01 pm@58 Cruz Supporter
Don’t you remember that old joke?
First prize is a week in Minot, ND.
Second prize is two weeks.
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:04 pm58. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:52 am
It depends on the season.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:09 pmIf only we could combine The Snuke episode of South Park with Oprah’s mingie talking like Mao.
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:09 pmPutin is lying about hs aims in Syria and Donald Trump pretends to believe him. Barack Obama no longer beieves him, but he has nio Plan B. Hillary Clinton is silent about Putin. Gary Johnson thought ALEPPO was some kind of an acronym and spelled that way. Jill Stein is a super-isolationist who is for cutting the military as much as she dares to (50%), and more aligned with Putin than Trump and ignores reality, as usual.
http://www.jill2016.com/stein_in_russia_calls_for_principled_collaboration
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:15 pm@101 Dana
When my aunt was a teenager she was driving one of my grandparent’s pickups and managed to rub it from one end to the other on a fence post. She said she didn’t see it-she wasn’t wearing her glasses. My dad said,” didn’t you hear it?”
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:18 pm@118
LOL
Yeah, that’s the ticket. Voters are turning to Shorty because they think Boehner/McConnell didn’t do enough to advance the Obama agenda. Good one.
That’s why you see so many obstructionists turning to stinky pig. I know that’s the reason I’m voting for her.
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:19 pm@105 Gerald A
This is the point where the dems ask Hillary,” When did you stop beating Donald Trump?
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:20 pmNow you see I think that Vladimir Putin might have been behind some of the terrorism in Europe, like the Charlie Hebdo attack, just like he was with the Moscow bombings.
The Charlie Hebdo and related kosher deli attack was particularly suspicious to me because you hhave one group of terrorists saying they were working for Al Qaedda and another terrorist saying he was working for ISIS, and the were working togetgher, yet their organizations were enemies.
And also al Qaeda in Yemen called itself al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, not Al Qaeda in Yemen, and ISIS called itself Islamic State and not ISIS. A wrong name might be used by a terrorist recruiter pretendeing to be them.
Putin could easily have gotten the names of terrorists to recruit through intelligence sharing.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:21 pm‘Round these parts, Texas Toast is a favorite. Gimme another heapin’ helpin’.
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:22 pm@111 LBascom
I dropped a Bobcat bucket full of mulch into the bed of a Toyota pickup. I mean bucket and all.
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:25 pmVote neither, just like now, I do! Both still steaming piles of :shit: and :imp: ‘s they are!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:29 pmVote neither, just like now, I do! Both still steaming piles of sh!t and demon‘s they are! Vote for either one, and still voting for a northeast coast liberal demoncrap you are!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:31 pm“Why do you think Trump will stand up to them more than Cruz? Cruz was willing to oppose their most cherished legislation, ObamaCare. Trump invites them to his wedding and gives them money for their campaigns. Why do you trust him?”
DRJ (15874d) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:27 pm
Not only would Cruz have been better, he would’ve been much better.
>>>>CRUZ DID NOT WIN<<<<
Most of us came to this realization a few months ago. Some of us are still struggling with it.
Colonel Haiku (9e91a2) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:35 pmIf given a choice–knowing the truth about Watergate–I would vote for Nixon over McGovern on the theory that we could impeach Nixon and would be stuck with McGovern. Given the same logic, I would vote for Reanimated Mao then give Buffy Summers a call. ]:-)
M Scott Eiland (1edade) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:42 pmCol. H, re your comment about reasonable doubt (#107), in which you wrote:
That is an interesting formulation. But I’m not sure I follow it.
Are you saying that you think it is very likely that Trump will be disastrous, but that there is at least a possibility that he won’t be? And that you simultaneously think it is absolutely certain that Hillary will be disastrous? That’s how I’m reading what you said, and I think that’s what you meant.
If so, I have two reactions.
First, I commend to your reading a standard definition of the term “reasonable doubt,” a sample which I’ve taken from California law, since it’s concisely codified and it’s the standard our host uses in his day-job. (My day-job is mostly about preponderance of the evidence.) This is the definition of “reasonable doubt” given, I believe, in essentially every criminal prosecution to every jury, and its likewise the standard to be used by the judge when he’s sitting as factfinder without a jury (emphasis mine):
I have an abiding conviction that Trump would be an awful POTUS. I respectfully submit that your “reasonable doubt that Trump will be awful” is not, in fact, reasonable, but rather merely possible or imaginary. There is no factual basis in Trump’s history which could lead me to doubt that he’ll be a disastrous president. The only basis on which one can even hope that he could be something other than a disaster is if one believes and trusts him in his current promises (e.g., that he’ll only appoint someone to the SCOTUS from his current list). Since I accord zero credibility to him, I give zero credibility to his promises, and that leaves me with nothing but hopes and imaginary fantasies in which he somehow metamorphosizes into something completely the opposite of the Donald Trump he’s been since his daddy had to send him to reform school.
(I’ll wager our host has made this exact point — that speculation and hope and wishes aren’t a basis for a doubt to be “reasonable” — often enough that he could recite it in his sleep.)
Second, you’re conflating all kinds of “disaster.” I’m have no reasonable doubt (to use your formulation) that both Clinton and Trump would be disastrously bad presidents, but for quite different reasons. It’s important to me that the POTUS not be the co-head of a decades-long RICO criminal conspiracy to subvert justice, for example, so I can’t possibly vote for Hillary. Just that, by itself, I consider disqualifying. But I can list another dozen other reasons, any one of which would prevent me from voting for her. I likewise have a long list of things about Trump, any one of which would prevent me from voting for him. There’s some overlap between the lists — they’re both life-long statists, New York liberals who have been eager participants in and beneficiaries of political corruption, for example.
But these are objectively the two worst major-party candidates in American history, and I frankly expect either of them to jump to or near the top of the list of “worst presidents ever.” I won’t support either with my vote, but yours is your own to do with as you will.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:42 pm@139. Stale and empty calories.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:46 pm@121– We’re fresh out of arugula.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:49 pmexcept obama was the one who joked to putin, about what a great deal they had gotten on alaska, the glare could cut through steel, the huntress warned of the first instrusions by russian air patrols into alaska, the one who deprived poland of missile defense, much as they cut back the interceptors, at ft, greeley, the F-22 at ft. richardson, the ‘reset’, not to mention how the Arctic plan, left the Bering and Chukchi oil, in Rosneft and other assorted consortium
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 3:50 pmthe subsequent ‘flexibility’ which didn’t matter when it came to boston, so who has really been volodya
@136. You don’t get it. Ideology is out. Pragmatism is in. Americans don’t want to be governed, they wish to be entertained.
This is a Dallas vs. Maude election.
So the question is which would you prefer to endure for four years: Hagman haggling as Tilton, Gray and Principal jigged into your living room across a 40 inch screen or a pantsuited Bea Arthur, reminding you of your first wife from 1975, wagging a nagging finger and in a lecturing tone, badgering you to take out the trash in the middle of the 4th quarter of Monday Night Football?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:02 pmCan I help it if I think of Cheetos every time I see Shorty?
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:02 pm“Are you saying that you think it is very likely that Trump will be disastrous, but that there is at least a possibility that he won’t be? And that you simultaneously think it is absolutely certain that Hillary will be disastrous? That’s how I’m reading what you said, and I think that’s what you meant.”
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Beldar… I think it is quite possible that Trump will prove to be a disappointment. I have no doubt Hillary Clinton will be a DISASTER, and that is an understatement. Trump is a work in progress. Hillary Clinton is a piece of work, a career criminal, someone who believes in her walnut-sized heart that she is above the law and that “the Rules” don’t apply to her. Power and acquiring more personal wealth by any means is what matters to her. And she has much to answer for vis-a-vis the current state of much of the world and America’s standing in it.
Colonel Haiku (9e91a2) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:05 pmprinciples lol
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:09 pmDallas? Give me a break!
Everybody knows it’s the Louis de Palma vs. Maude election.
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:09 pm@150. … I think it is quite possible that Trump will prove to be a disappointment…
No, it is quite likely that he will be entertaining. A four year show with an option for four more.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:16 pm@152. It’s Dallas vs. Maude.
De Palma dispatches taxis. JR dispatches enemies.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:19 pm“Ideology is out. Pragmatism is in. Americans don’t want to be governed, they wish to be entertained.”
You’re just warming up, aren’t you? Pragmatism = Entertained What could be more pragmatic? Bravo!
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:19 pmThe comment so nice, DCSCA left it 6485473785 times.
Where’s JD with a rock when you need him?
Leviticus (a1df54) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:23 pmWow: when you accidentally type a random ten-digit number to demonstrate DCSCA’s tediousness, it automatically links to a phone number.
Coincidentally, I’m off to read about the police state under which we will inevitably continue to live for the next four (hopefully) years.
Leviticus (a1df54) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:26 pmThis is just stupid.
The question isn’t whether Putin (or Mao, however unfair that is to Putin) would make a better leader for the US, but whether they make a better leader for their own country. Since the Mao crap doesn’t pass the laugh test (talk about loading a question!), let’s look at Putin vs Obama wrt their own countries.
It turns out it isn’t even close. Putin has been FAR more effective at picking
the USSRRussia up off the mat than Obama has been. Arguably, Obama is more interested in throwing us TO the mat than getting us off it.How to gauge this? In every place that the US and Russia compete, other than oil, Putin wins. And the US’s advantage in fracking has been done over Obama’s opposition.
I don’t know about Mao, but Mao’s heirs have done OK, too.
Result: 4 Lamps of Damocles for Donald Trump.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:27 pm“No, it is quite likely that he will be entertaining. A four year show with an option for four more.”
Are these thoughts random? Or is there some sort of rational organization that I am missing?
By the way, I completely agree with this point. Louis de Palma was, after all, one of the main reasons I watched Taxi (along with Reverend Jim). I would have never guessed that either would become the nominee of a major political party, but if I had been asked at the time, I would have thought it would be Jim. Maybe Reverend Jim is Bernie Sanders.
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:27 pmBy the way, given those two candidates, I’d write in Putin.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:31 pmThe comment so nice, DCSCA left it 6485473785 times.
You misspelled “wrong.”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:32 pmI thought the guy with the lamp was Diogenes. Damocles had a sword over his head.
I get Patterico’s point. There are Trump supporters who say Trump is better than Hillary, and so worthy of our vote. That’s a reasonable position. Patterico’s question to them is what do they consider to be worse than Hillary? That’s a reasonable question to ask, because it separates those who are truly voting for what they consider to be the lesser of two evils from those who would vote for anyone running on the Republican ticket. You may not like the question, but I think it’s fairly posed.
Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:33 pmDe Palma dispatches his mouth in a crude and nasty way.
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:34 pm@156. Repetition is effective messaging to ‘make America great again.’
‘=knock-knock= Penny! =knock-knock= Penny! =knock-knock= Penny…‘
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:36 pmi like Mr. Trump he’s a right proper gesture in the right direction that’s for sure
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:38 pm“Obviously, Hugh Hewitt cut you off the last time you phoned his show and you’re still angry about it.
Don’t take it personally — he may have just been up against a hard break.
When Hugh characterized Barack as a ‘good’ man, he was doing so in the context of comparing him to Putin, who has actually had people murdered.”
President Drone Strike With Collateral Damage And Who Cares if It’s American Citizens can’t exactly claim innocence on that front, and the mysterious bodies around Hillary’s campaign seem to be substantial enough to suspect at least some collusion with the White House on that front as well. Knowing how deferential and fearful the press corps is, I’ll settle for: “The style of the political murder under the ruling regime changes with the country and culture.” Maybe Obama murdered less people, but then again he’s kinda low-energy.
“Hugh can’t stand Barack, and he says so every day.
Putin is an evil bastard. Although he may be helpful to us in fighting some strains of Jihadists. We’ll see. Let’s not ignore the fact that the Soviets/Russians have exported vicious anti-Semitism for the past hundred years.”
More than Saudi Arabia? The Russians are responsible for no greater net addition to the supply of anti-Semitism than the average Jewish Leftist op-ed in Carlos Slim, Jeff Bezos’, or Hulk Hogan’s blog. Getting robbed by the Harvard finance department and having their natural resources sold off by mostly Jewish ‘oligarchs’ who then skip town to lecture Russians on their anti-Semitism from the Caymans can also ‘decrease the peace, inflate the hate’:
http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-rape-of-russia-explained-by-anne/
Anti-semitism is so universal and so expected that it isn’t even a good alt-right litmus test, makes too big a tent to control reliably.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:39 pmthe razorbacks are closer to the kirschner’s south of the equator, they were both left activists,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:41 pmwho came to power, because of ‘forge majeure’ circumstance, greenspan’s interest rate hikes, so undermined their position, that they moved to default, similar factors attend to chavez’s rise in 98,
OK, Diogenes, fine. I wonder why I was thinking Damocles with Trump.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:43 pmFreudian slip.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:44 pmyes, take the example of the maxwell school, which seems to have gone juden frei, and michael doran no longer teaches there, despite his insights into arabian and persian politics, the chairman of the board, is prince talal, who has liberally funded similar programs at georgetown
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:46 pm(esposito) harvard, princeton and berkeley, (bazian) a caveat, he also was a major player in the ground zero mosque matter,
No, DSPCA,
It’s “The Monkees” vs “Rosie’s Nuts”
And more Peter than Mickey.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:49 pm@ 156- seems everyone is just repeating the same things over and over and over again. Thing is, I can understand the Trump supporters doing it, they are trying to persuade others to do what they consider is the right thing. What I can figure out is why someone like Baldare repeats ten thousand times over he isn’t voting for either candidate because both are unacceptable. What the heck is the point of that?
LBascom (a49e60) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:56 pmit’s all about virtue signalling and jockeying for class position
it’s quite laughable and shallow
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:03 pmThe revelation of the ‘secret server’ alone simply proves they learned nothing from the 1990’s. A vote for a progressive this cycle is actually a vote to go 30 years retro if not no place at all.
Conservatives cling to the believe they’ll ‘Obama’ Maudie for four years, endure the once unendurable then run a TBD hard right ideologue in an era where ideologues are as outdated as the Betamax.
Someday there will be a woman president. Just not this woman.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:04 pm@172–What I can figure out is why someone like Baldare repeats ten thousand times over he isn’t voting for either candidate because both are unacceptable. What the heck is the point of that?
Which candidate this cycle does a ‘not voting’ help?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:06 pmMao not the worst mass murderer in history. Islam is and continues to be the worst mass murderer in history. Over 270,000,000 slaughtered to date and growing. Google tears of jihad for references. This does not include the misery of the scores of millions taken as slaves, sex slaves, and children over the last 1,400 years and which continues.
On the Mao Clinton fiction, get a life.
whirlwinder (747b4c) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:21 pmShorty, himself, continues to re-fight the nomination battle, which he has long since clinched. Is it presidential? Does it move him closer to the White House?
Is there any question why the rest of us follow suit?
When should we expect him to start building those Reagan-like bridges?
ThOR (c9324e) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:22 pmI hate to tell you this but anti-Semitism is so pervasive these days even Jews hate each other. Just look at all the liberal Jews selling Israel down the river.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:23 pmi like him
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:23 pm@177. When should we expect him to start building those Reagan-like bridges?
When Ronnie did: his second term.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:24 pmDana and LBascom
I used to work at a place that posted OSHA handouts.
The one I will never forget involved a guy who was working under a front end loader bucket without blocking it first.
At some point he unhooked the wrong hydraulic line and that’s how Hillary lost a voter.
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:28 pmIf Trump wins, the new and improved DoJ (Christie or Giuliani) will be in position to prosecute Hillary for obstruction of justice, perjury, destruction of evidence, et al.
If Hillary wins, I doubt (LOL) that Loretta Lynch will choose to prosecute President Hillary.
I guess we all have to vote our conscience.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:35 pmResult: 4
Lamps of DamoclesPinocchios forDonald TrumpKevin MKevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:27 pm
FIFY
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:38 pm“A vote for a progressive this cycle is actually a vote to go 30 years retro”
40 years! An 80s revival would be a nice change of pace (and going back to 1986 but NOT passing the amnesty would be too sweet to contemplate).
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:41 pminteresting about that sailer piece, summers through his lt schreiber, made a killing in russia, literally, he’s also involved in behavioral research over here, constructivism whose most incarnation is common core,
what we have discovered is the facade presented in the 90s about russia was indeed kabuki, somewhat like weimar germany, the oligarchs were the former nomenklatura, and the siloviki came from the security services, volodya was notably in the latter group, but he worked with many of the former,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:42 pmi like mr. mao he’s better than ice cream and pickles and he’ll make america great again just like he did for china at least he’s not a stinky pig like the stinkypig
— happyfeet
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:52 pmChairman Mao has the edge. As predicted, it’s a low turnout poll. It’s a dumb choice (as is our choice in this election) and as a result the fanatics are more likely to vote. That means my 30% for Mao prediction was low.
I wonder if there is good news for Trump buried in this experiment.
Before you discount the results as a lark, ask yourself: for most people, what is a vote but a lark?
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:58 pmlets do the agrabah walk again, remember that cul de sac,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:09 pm” 172.@ 156- seems everyone is just repeating the same things over and over and over again. Thing is, I can understand the Trump supporters doing it,…. What I can figure out is why someone like Baldare repeats ten thousand times over he isn’t voting for either candidate because both are unacceptable. What the heck is the point of that?”
Try googling “virtue signalling”
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:11 pmoddly the administration has made such a pact with russia ‘it will last as long as a melon, on a schoolhouse door,’ much like the gaza ceasefires, that red queen is so proud about,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:17 pmI just need not to be pigged on for the next four years
whatever you can do to facilitate this for me
I would take it as a personal kindness
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:21 pmWhich candidate this cycle does a ‘not voting’ help?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:06 pm
And the real answer is neither one? A claim to my vote no one has but me! So, by not voting for Hillary, neither her or Trump profits! By not voting Trump, neither he or Hillary profits. My non-vote vote actually counts twice as a no vote to Hillary, and a no vote to teh Donald! Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Trumpanzees!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:22 pm(And the real answer is neither one!)
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:23 pmonly someone who’s family did not have to leave a communist country, could be cavalier enough to vote for mao, and actually I would amend that tweet, obama has been remarkably successful in fundamentally transforming this country, every institution has either been ‘pounded to rubble’
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:27 pmor sustained severe damage,
Yoda really wishes for a “none-of-the-above” choice and require a new election with the last two losers excluded from participation! None-of-the-above, win with a 50 state landslide this year it would!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:27 pm“Seems everyone is just repeating the same things over and over and over again. I hate when people do that! Thing is, it’s a binary choice and if you don’t vote Trump you’re helping Hillary.”
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:30 pmWarren Peese
Gary Johnson should have to stand at the outskirts of DC and yell,” A leppo!”
Pinandpuller (62d17c) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:31 pmSh
Sh!t!!! Yoda, change his name to “None-Of-The-Above” I could have, and won this election w/o even campaigning, I could have! Alas, too late to change name legally and to register for election in most states it is!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:33 pmapropos of nothing, an interlude in the argument clinic,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YuX6zvdBzo
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:34 pmBefore you discount the results as a lark, ask yourself: for most people, what is a vote but a lark?
To some it is giving the party the bird. To others, it’s a smoke scream.
‘Get a Lark, get a Lark, get a Lark to-DAY!…”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:42 pmHewitt is just flat wrong. Obama is not a good man. He’s a malevolent anti-American who hates this country. And he’s not incompetent. He’s achieved everything he’s set out to do. He’s destroyed the economy, our sovereignty, our military, and made us a laughingstock.
Exactly what a you’d expect a malevolent, hateful, anti-American to want to do.
Steve57 (9595d5) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:43 pmMy comment is in moderation and I didn’t use a single word I couldn’t have used in in front of a nun at Catholic elementary school.
Steve57 (9595d5) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:45 pmso refresh my memory, did red queen’s state department, rave all over al jazeera,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:47 pmFrom Glenn Reynolds…
“So I’ve made no secret of being unhappy with my choices in this presidential election, a feeling that I share with most voters, judging by the polls.
Trump is a blowhard who seems to have something of a man-crush on Vladimir Putin. His business dealings are as shady as you’d expect a New York real-estate developer’s to be, his campaign has been a madhouse, and even on the positions of his that I like, I don’t have a whole lot of confidence that he’ll actually deliver.
Hillary, on the other hand is, well, a crook. Her period at the State Department was marked by pretty much out-and-out influence peddling, the Clinton Foundation seems to be little more than a money laundry, and when she’s asked to explain herself, she sounds like a Mafia boss’s lawyer, only less believable.
I could vote third-party of course, as I have in the past, but that’s not super-appealing either. I would ordinarily lean toward the Libertarian ticket, featuring former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson and former Massachusetts governor Bill Weld, but their positions on a lot of issues I care about aren’t especially libertarian — Weld on Second Amendment rights sounds, well, like a Massachusetts governor, and Johnson seems to care more about marijuana rights than religious freedom. Besides, it’s hard to see them carrying a single state.
The quixotic candidacy of Evan McMullin, backed by some “NeverTrump” Republicans, seems even less likely to accomplish anything (except maybe keep some consultants employed). And I interviewed Green Party nominee Jill Stein last election cycle and she’s a nice lady, but her chances look even poorer, and her outright-socialist platform would be a disaster in the unlikely event she won.
So what to do? Well, the answer to me comes from a column by Bill McGurn in the Wall Street Journal, noting that the worst scandal in Hillary’s email scandal isn’t what Hillary did — we expect her to act like a crook — but rather that the supposedly professional, nonpartisan civil service rolled over for her, and even offered cover. As McGurn writes:
Even today her former department is still resisting efforts to make public the emails she tried to hide. Groups such as Judicial Watch have done yeoman’s work in forcing the emails into the sunlight—but they have also had to get court orders to pry them out of an obstructionist State Department.
It’s a disturbing pattern, and unfortunately it’s not limited to State. There have been similar questions about the integrity and professionalism of the IRS ever since the American people learned in 2013 that it was unfairly targeting conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status.
Three years, many congressional hearings and disappearing hard drives later, there is still no evidence the IRS has ended the practice.
And the FBI and Department of Justice have seemed curiously uninterested in going after people for behavior that, in other circumstances, would be a surefire ticket to federal prison.
The reason, of course, is that the civil service, though supposedly professional and nonpartisan, has become a Democratic Party monoculture. Federal employees overwhelmingly vote for Democrats, donate to Democrats, and, by all appearances, cover for Democrats as a routine part of doing their job.
When Richard Nixon tried to weaponize the IRS, top officials at the Service made a stink. Under Obama, the IRS weaponized itself.
And, of course, the press is in the tank for the Democrats as usual. Bad news about Obama and Clinton has been soft-pedaled, with reporters sometimes admitting that they don’t want to help Trump.
So if the choice in 2016 is between one bad candidate and another (and it is) the question is, which one will do the least harm. And, judging by the civil service’s behavior, that’s got to be Trump. If Trump tries to target his enemies with the IRS, you can bet that he’ll get a lot of pushback — and the press, instead of explaining it away, will make a huge stink. If Trump engages in influence-peddling, or abuses secrecy laws, you can bet that, even if Trump’s appointees sit atop the DOJ or FBI, the civil service will ensure that things don’t get swept under the rug. And if Trump wants to go to war, he’ll get far more scrutiny than Hillary will get — or, in cases like her disastrous Libya invasion, has gotten.
So the message is clear. If you want good government, vote for Trump — he’s the only one who will make this whole checks-and-balances thing work.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/08/hillary-foundation-clinton-email-fbi-classified-doj-democrat-bias-trump-glenn-reynolds/89929744/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:54 pmmaybe that’s why she failed the dc bar, as well:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3780767/Hillary-Clinton-recounts-yelled-men-law-school-exam-HONY-interview.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:56 pmGary Johnson thought they’d said “a Zippo” and then promptly thought about the fattie in his right shirt pocket.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:57 pmYoda,
I’m just old enough to remember when you used to be against Darth Vader before you were indifferent about Darth Vader!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:59 pmTrump went to Detroit and promised better paying jobs, Federal money to improve education and offer more school choice, charter schools as part of “making America great again.”
Bill Clinton denounced this phrase — “making America great again” as racist.
Clinton used the same phrase — “make America great again” — both times when he ran for office as president.
I wonder if the average democrat voter or Paterican is aware of these type things.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:00 pmCol Haiku,
You are tired and angry and don’t want to be talking about anything but Trump vs Hillary — because you view this as a pragmatic, binary choice election and you are convinced Hillary will be a disaster. You are so tired and angry that you are yelling in ALL CAPS.
I know how you feel. I am tired of you telling me that I only have two choices (which isn’t true) and that you know Hillary will be a disaster but Trump may not be (which may or may not be true). I get that you fear Hillary. I do, too, but that doesn’t make Trump the answer. It doesn’t make Cruz the answer, either, but I use him as a surrogate for conservative ideas. Conservatism is the answer, IMO.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:05 pmthey got at ailes, now they are going for the kill,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/294273-clinton-hack-david-brock-demands-fox-news-chris-wallace-be-removed-as-moderator-of-third-debate/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:09 pmCoronello, all true. But that’s why anybody who thinks electing Trump is going to fix anything is smoking meth. Yes, of course there’s going to be pushback if Trump is President. He’s a Republican. There are different rules for Republicans. Actually, there are rules for Republicans. If Trump jaywalks the Dems and the LHMFM will scream it’s an impeachable offense.
But all it’s going to take is the next Democrat to be elected, and then are no rules for Democrats. Hillary Clinton could go down to the national zoo, personally kill all the animals, invite the LHMFM, Congressional Democrats, and every member of a federal employee union to the BBQ, and they’d all show up and enjoy it. And declare she did nothing wrong.
So at best Trump is a four year stay of execution for the country. And I’m not even convinced of that. We simply can’t fix this country by electing “the right people,” or who will appoint “the right people” to the SCOTUS. Electing Trump is like putting a band-aid on a tumor.
Steve57 (9595d5) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:11 pmDRJ
If you are being literal in insisting you have more than 2 choices, this is technically correct.
A voter can spend their vote on Johnson or Stein — and surely should realize — that in its practical effect it will essentially be used to no effect along with lowering the count that could have otherwise gone to Clinton or Trump — one of whom will certainly become President.
But if one is of a conservative persuasion who cares about conservative values, then one realizes that the choice is indeed binary… it will be Clinton or Trump, and if one cares about the GOP
then a vote for Trump will surely be better than for Clinton and certainly better than wasting their vote on the other two at the back of the pack.
You get this, right?
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:16 pmAnd Trump does not fall into the category of “the right people.”
Steve57 (9595d5) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:16 pmTrump will destroy conservatism, PTS. And that’s the problem.
Steve57 (9595d5) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:20 pmOur host has not made that point. He believes (or claims to) that a Trump victory will bring about a long term transformation of the Republican party into a big government party – as though such calculations are possible. He has not contested the belief that Trump’s court appointments would be more conservative than Clinton’s. In fact you even conceded he wouldn’t appoint another Sotomayor type.
What exactly has Trump been since his daddy sent him to reform school?
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:21 pmDRJ,
When we say it’s a binary choice, what we’re saying is that the next President is going to be one of two people; Trump or Hillary.
Technically, someone can “choose” to vote for Mickey Mouse or for Joe Six Pack of the Peace And Liberty Party. Or for Suzie Q of the Freedom and Prosperity Party.
So, in an academic sense, it’s not a binary choice.
But for all practical purposes in the real world, it certainly is a binary choice.
We’re not saying that Trump is the answer. He just happens to be the only one standing between Chairman Hillary and the Oval Office.
It’s like when Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid jump into the river when they’re cornered by the posse led by Lord Baltimore.
Right before they jump, Butch tells Sundance that the fall is going to kill them. But they decide to jump because they realize the fast-approaching posse is going to kill them, too.
They chose the lesser of two evils, and they survived.
Well, until they ultimately got cornered in Bolivia! (LOL)
Conservatism is the answer. But unfortunately, it’s not on the ballot this November.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:24 pmSo we go with the best option we got. Just as we do in every other arena of our lives.
Yeah, but conservatism ain’t runnin’.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:29 pm“Conservatism is the answer, IMO”
— DRJ
I don’t disagree with that generalization. But that generalization isn’t on the ballot.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:29 pmJinx on ten, Hoagie… you owe me a soda pop.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:30 pm@141 Yoda
Needs must when the she-devil drives.
Pinandpuller (f55ea5) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:41 pmWhat exactly has Trump been since his daddy sent him to reform school
A crony capitalist whose chief skills revolve around losing other people’s money and being a celebrity.
kishnevi (9dfc8c) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:50 pmSo you wouldn’t vote for any of the Republicans who ran for POTUS?
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:51 pmYoda,
I’m just old enough to remember when you used to be against Darth Vader before you were indifferent about Darth Vader!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 6:59 pm
Against him I still am! Vote for Sith Lord Trump Vader, I will not! Vote for Sith Empress Sidious Hil Clintontine, I will not either!
Trumpanzees and Clintonistas, vote for their choice of evil they can! Choosing between Nightshade or Hemlock for my choice of execution, I will never do!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:52 pmRather go back to Dagobah, I would!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:54 pm“Which candidate this cycle does a ‘not voting’ help?
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/9/2016 @ 5:06 pm”
It depends. If you are a so called “conservative” that has spent your life before 2014 cursing democrats and voting republican, then not voting this time helps Hillary. If you are a progressive lifer that has demonized republicans and voted democrat, then not voting helps Trump.
I’ve personally always looked at voting as a duty, one of those responsibilities liberty relies on, and even when I didn’t like the candidate my party put up (and Lord help me did I hate McCain), I did my duty and voted for him because the alternative is, well, we are all living the alternative.
This election is the last, I believe, where if all right thinking people don’t do their duty, the franchise is over. We will be a socialist nation without borders and any future elections will be communist style.
You fools holding out for a superior being that matches your exacting principles will suddenly find even voicing your principles will not be tolerated, like a Christian baker objecting to a government sanctified wedding cake, your reputation, livelihood, and even your freedom will be taken at the first hint of an unauthorized principle, else the society become triggered and thus the order imperiled.
So sayith Hillary, so it shall be done.
Don’t think it can happen? Look around you fools, we’re almost there already. The next generation is being groomed for the chains as we argue among ourselves, and they will not rest easy in them until they are worn by all.
That you see equal evil between Trump and Hillary shows you don’t even know what evil is, but trust me, your smugness at facilitating a Trump loss, and yes, that is exactly what posts like this do, will be turned to despair when you learn true evil, and your virtue will be for nothing under its weight. You may try and gain relief in blaming others that nominated Trump, but it will be as a naked man that rejected a coarse costume as beneath a gentleman such as he, and so cursed the tailor as the cold wind sapped the life from his shivering form, thinking such grumblings will afford some respect, only to see pity or amusement from the slaves in warm rags shuffling past.
LBascom (7b6094) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:56 pmBeldar–
There’s this argument for Trump: he’s at high risk for a stroke or heart attack. He doesn’t listen to doctors (why should they be different?) and this leaves the non-zero possibility that he’ll croak in office, or even before. Leaving us with Pence, who has only one really big strike against his judgement.
Hillary might die, too, and certainly cannot serve two terms. But if she dies, another Democrat takes over.
So, ceteris paribus, one should vote for Trump over Clinton, based purely on maximizing expectancy.
Not that this matters for either of us, you being in Texas and me in California.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:01 pmYoda,
I think we would rather you go back to Dagobah, too. (LOL)
“Not voting” doesn’t keep either of these two choices of the White House, you know that, right, funny guy?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:03 pmOne of them’s going to become President, and so we might as well choose the lesser of two evils.
I would prefer that Christie or Giuliani become the next Attorney General instead of being subjected to the retention of Loretta Lynch.
You obviously disagree.
@ Gerald A (#214), who wrote, speaking of me:
I said that when the Dems resist — using the filibuster if they don’t take the Senate, or a simple majority rule if they do — then Trump would appoint a Souter, which is the same thing as a Sotomayor for all practical purposes.
Like his sister. Not her, because she’s too old. But someone whom Chuck Schumer will mount only token opposition against, i.e., an obvious Souter.
Please don’t put words in my mouth and mischaracterize what I’ve written. Of all the things that rile me up, that’s the worst.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:07 pmremember that classic trek episode written by harlan ellison ‘city on the edge of forever’ in it a jump bank in time, alters three hundred years of history, because edith keeler (joan collins) was supposed to die, but she leads a peace movement that leads to the nazis winning the war,
some time earlier bradbury toyed with a similar concept in ‘sound of thunder’ a freak event in the past leads to a dystopian future,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:08 pm“Conservatism is the answer”
That’s what Rush has been telling me for almost 30 years. I don’t think conservatives even know what the question is anymore.
LBascom (7b6094) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:09 pmBeldar,
You know what Russian Roulette is?
If Hillary becomes President, every chamber will be loaded.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:10 pmIf Trump becomes President, maybe a couple chambers will be empty.
Which gun would you prefer to have put to your head?
@158 Kevin M
Obama is the sick man of Asia.
Pinandpuller (f55ea5) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:12 pm@171 ThOR
Levin just mentioned tonight that it was senate Republicans who sank Reagan’s attempt to abolish the Department of Education.
Pinandpuller (f55ea5) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:24 pmyes I know he contributed ‘but that’s not important right now’
http://heatst.com/politics/hillary-emails-clinton-foundation/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:30 pm@186 Patterico
Mao does better in online polls than on the phone.
Pinandpuller (f55ea5) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:35 pmSo in response to my comment saying I’m tired of being told this is a binary election, commenters decide I need to be told this is a binary election.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:35 pmPatterico needs to implement these straw men in Kansas or somethings…
Rodney King's Spirit (d28741) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:37 pmMao was a piker in number of deaths compared to Rachel Carson. Five hundred million dead and counting.
Azygos (198248) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:46 pmAnd I said that they could end filibusters of SCOTUS appointees. We just heard Reid declare that they will end all filibusters if they retake the Senate. I also pointed out that Manchin would probably not participate in blocking a Trump nominee so they need at least 52 Senators probably.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:57 pmtwenty some years ago, what will be mourning 20 years from now,
http://nypost.com/2016/01/06/you-can-thank-jimmy-carter-and-bill-clinton-for-north-koreas-nukes/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:59 pmIf Trump would have criticised Putin, conservative nevertrumpers would be telling us how unstatesman like he is and is only pushing Putin into a more hostile position, possibly leading to nuclear war, death, and destruction.
If Trump would have said nothing about Putin nevertrumpers would have said that proves he doesn’t understand foreign affairs and is hiding a profound ignorance and/or displaying disinterest in important matters.
No matter what Trump says, or doesn’t say, nevertrumpers will jump all up in Trumps sh!t, because it doesn’t matter to them who wins and they don’t care. Everyday. No matter what. Because it doesn’t matter, they don’t care who wins.
LBascom (7b6094) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:03 pmpast is no longer prologue, it’s not even past anymore,
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0916/glick090916.php3
narciso (d1f714) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:12 pmAt least we can all count on Trump to never let up on Obama, and to never admit that he (Trump) was wrong with all that birth stuff!
Not.
Just like spring professional football. The stuff he is most vehement about is exactly the stuff he’ll abandon whenever he thinks that will benefit Trump. (As he calls himself, in the imperial third person.)
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:15 pmGerald A, I don’t care whether you agree with me or not. And I don’t care what you think about the filibuster or, frankly, anything else.
Just don’t misquote or misrepresent me. Please.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:16 pmIf Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.
Winston Churchill (a90637) — 9/9/2016 @ 9:30 pmBeldar
After the misinformation you’ve written and spread, you don’t deserve to ask for fair representation.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:17 pm“Not voting” doesn’t keep either of these two choices of the White House, you know that, right, funny guy?
One of them’s going to become President, and so we might as well choose the lesser of two evils.
I would prefer that Christie or Giuliani become the next Attorney General instead of being subjected to the retention of Loretta Lynch.
You obviously disagree.
So, prefer NE coast NY liberal demoncraps you do! Christie, Giuliani, and Trump, northeast coast liberal demoncraps, they all are! Get it I do! Trumpanzees loves them some east coast liberals they do!
I think we would rather you go back to Dagobah, too. (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 8:03 pm
To paraphrase a great American, “As for me, I am going to Dagobah, as for you and all of your fellow Trumpanzees, YOU CAN GO TO HELL! And take Trump the Chump, and Hitlery the Nazi, with you.
PS: NO F@CKING LOL!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:33 pmThe particularly obnoxious Trumpkin shill who wrote comment #245 above wrote, of me:
Note how perfectly this embodies the essence of Trumpkin shilling:
First, it’s a content-free ad hominem. It doesn’t advance a proposition or support it. It’s just a bald insult.
Second, not in particular the passive voice — who is it who is going to constrain me from “asking for fair representation”?
You want to muzzle anyone who dares point out that your idol, Trump, is a fool, and that you’re a fool to be conned by him, and that you’re a culpable fool for trying to con others. Yet here I am — still pointing it out.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:34 pmTake you f@cking little troll bastard! Anyone that supports either of these condidates has neither my respect or attention! You can all, K.M.A.
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:40 pmBeldar
Content: Trumps parents put him in reform school.
You’re a effing liar. An accurate assessment, and since its true, not an insult.
As for muzzling you, you have my permission to continue to make a fool of yourself.
Have a nice evening.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:45 pm249
GFY… better yet, get a hotel room and go at it with 248
Have a nice evening
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:47 pmI have this theory that if people vote for people they hate, the politicians will think they like them and give them more of the same. So, by voting for a lesser evil, you are encouraging evil.
Instead, foul the ballot line (so they cannot fix your undervote), or find a thrid party more to your liking.
I GUARANTEE that if the LP gets 15% of the vote, we will get more libertarian-leaning candidates. Perot got nearly 20%, running on a “balance the budget” platform, and lo and behold! The budget got balanced.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:01 pmOh my stars and garters this has gone downhill quickly.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:04 pmMr Puerile Trump Suckup thinks he’s winning something. It’s like he read a chain letter about how Donald Trump would give him $5 for every fukwit post he put up.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:05 pmAnyone, and I MEAN ANYONE, that tells me, “(sniff, whine, cry)” “You’ve just gotta vote for our Hero Trump or it’s a vote for Hillary”, is a f#cking lying little POS NAZI bastard, and can kiss my rosy red A$$. I, and I repeat, I ALONE will determine who I choose to award or not award my vote to! My vote is precious, and I will not award it to a Con man or a shyster! I choose NOT to support either one, and none of you fatuous little Nazis can make me do otherwise. You and your ilk are a cackling cacophony of anti-constitutional ant-American morons. YOU do NOT have the right to tell anyone whatsover, how they should and shall vote!
I will not have my vote sullied by supporting anyone that does not meet the standards that I require of a President! Anyone that supports either of these two POS candidates will be responsible and held accountable for the ill that they do this nation! Either one that wins, is still an East Coast liberal demoncrap. One just lies a little better than the other!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:06 pmYoda can speak clearly when Yoda speak clearly wants.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:08 pmGFY… better yet, get a hotel room and go at it with 248
Have a nice evening
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/9/2016 @ 10:47 pm
Bite me, you little POS PTS disorder troll!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:11 pmHeeheehee,(snicker) He got PTS disorder when his mommy took his passie away from him last year when he was 18 years old.
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:14 pmYoda
Stay here until President Trump deports your criminal alien self.
Did you send an absentee vote to Degobah?
Pinandpuller (f55ea5) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:15 pmPop your mommy’s tit out of your mouth when you speak to me, BOY!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:16 pmAd hominem me, and I will give it back with both barrels, anyplace and anytime!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:21 pmAnd next time, spell “Dagobah” correctly, you pussilaminous little pudpuller!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:26 pm@237 Azygos
Rachael Carson: So who’s on my side?
Powers Boothe: 800 billion screaming mosquitos.
Rachael Carson: I thought that there were 10 trillion.
Powers Boothe: There will be.
Pinandpuller (f55ea5) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:29 pmAnd while I am at it, all of you criticizing our host’s point of view, there’s the door, don’t let it hit where the good Lord split you!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:30 pmBah! I’m outa here. One of my best friends died yesterday, and I am tired of all the little Trumpturds that infest this site recently!
Yoda (310909) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:36 pmYoda,
Your foul-mouthed tantrum would definitely earn ‘The Empire Strikes Back’ an ‘R’ rating.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/9/2016 @ 11:52 pmAre you sure you’re a Jedi Master?
Because we’re not sure. (LOL)
@208 ‘Conservatism is the answer, IMO’
Your answer has failed two generations, been questioned and soundly rejected by the electorate.
Ideology is out. Pragmatism is in.
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@224. You were wearing your powder-blue, double-knit pantsuit when you wrote that lecture. The chaffing is self-evident.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:05 amI’d rather be deplorable than a commie clinton republican or a non voting hack constitutionalist.
mg (31009b) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:20 amTrump is well on his way to a landslide victory. Fvck mao.
I just voted for Hillary, and that’s the only time I’m doing it this year. Why did I vote for her over reanimated Mao? Because I don’t believe Mao in the slightest when he says he will appoint judges suggested by the Federalist Society.
At every turn in his life, Mao lied to gain advantage. He lied about his training to get into the communist party (CCP). When he received communications from Stalin, he lied to his people about them, and lied in responding to Stalin. No one in China trusted Mao because his actions were often based on deception. He lied to Stalin about his military achievements to gain more access to resources and technology (including A-bombs). He lied to Nixon about having no role in the Vietnam War.
I trust Trump considerably more than I trust Mao.
Andrew (6e1554) — 9/10/2016 @ 2:33 amIf a voter writes in “Satan,” do election officials automatically assign that vote to Hillary Clinton?
The Dana at work at 5:53 on a Saturday morning (f6a568) — 9/10/2016 @ 2:54 amFunny, Dana at work at 5:53 on a saturday morning.
mg (31009b) — 9/10/2016 @ 2:58 amI’ve been up since 4:oo getting the smoker ready for brisket, what are you doing?
As for Trump’s youthful misbehaviors, on which subject I’ve been accused of lying, I suppose I might start by pointing to this:
And there’s this. You’ll probably reject it, since it quotes Trump as admitting what I said about him:
In which interview we find a further corroborative detail:
It’s true enough that it was Trump’s father, or perhaps his parents together, who decided to send Trump to military school to reform his ways. Trump’s daddy bought his way in, they were glad to take his money, and he wasn’t there under a juvenile sentence. But don’t kid yourself: The normal track for New York millionaires’ kids, then and now, is via prep schools like Choate, Exeter, and Andover. Little Donnie Trump was just as much of a schmuck as the Trump we see today.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/10/2016 @ 4:17 amI’ll also say that I’m pleased to read that NYMA made it successfully through chapter 11, and it’s still being recommended on a very short list of military schools and boot camps for teenagers who suffer “from emotional, behavioral or mental health issues.” Perhaps Trump could benefit from a refresher course.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/10/2016 @ 4:23 amI’ll tell ya what, Trumpkins: Tell us how well Trump is going to be able to attack Hillary at the debates for sheltering and legitimizing the sexual predator to whom she’s married, when in 2000 — even after Clinton’s impeachment, even after the Starr Report’s details and Monica’s blue dress and the whole parade of women going back to Bill Clinton’s days as lieutenant governor of Arkansas, when he had state troopers pimping for him — Trump was eager to pose for cameras with Bill Clinton, and indeed to pose with Clinton’s arm snuggled around Trump’s then-fiancee Melania’s waist?
That photograph, by itself, creeps me out as much as anything I’ve ever seen.
Trump’s arm candy for this shot, by the way, was Australian swimsuit model and former SI swimsuit covergirl Kylie Bax, whom Trump dated before Melania, and who’s apparently still a fan of Trump’s. Of course, she also dated Howard Stern, so let’s just say her taste in men may be … flexible.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/10/2016 @ 4:37 amyawn
mg (31009b) — 9/10/2016 @ 4:52 amThe decent people of #nevertrump considers Ms. Bachmann a bomb thrower.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/10/2016 @ 5:01 am271, 272, 273, et alia.: “That photograph, by itself, creeps me out as much as anything I’ve ever seen.”
How perfectly, pompously reflexive.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/10/2016 @ 5:04 am208. Conservatism boiled down to a taste for the right people having the right conversations approving the right behaviors in pursuit of the right lifestyles making an ostentatious display of rectitude in all its details.
I give thee unbridled Hypocrisy.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/10/2016 @ 5:25 amBye.
cedarhill (382a17) — 9/10/2016 @ 5:48 amYou’ve become just another evil site.
213. Conservatism has destroyed itself, fighting amongst its ‘members’ rather than the evident adversary.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/10/2016 @ 5:53 amHillary v Mao? Hillary in a heartbeat because even though you think you may know what she’ll do, you definitely know what Mao did.
Which is what a lot of the Trump folks are saying – you don’t know what Trump might do, but you know exactly what Hillary’s going to do so how could Trump be any worse?
My problem with that is that I don’t think the Trump supporters fully appreciate just how much worse worse can get.
With Hillary you don’t know if you’re getting a kick in the crotch or a stick in your eye, with Trump you don’t know if you’re getting a free trip to Disneyland or eaten by wolves. Which door you gonna pick?
Jerryskids (3308c1) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:01 amThere are confessing Christians who thought Obama was great.
Something about deceiving even the elect if possible,
a lot of lack of discernment these days.
I just don’t get it.
Sorry about your loss, Yoda.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:03 amI just want to see the apoplectic reaction of Hollywood and the media if Trump wins. At least we won’t have four more years of butt kissing.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:09 amAs long as we’re examining with limpet eye ancient history:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/09/09/watch-inside-edition-tours-donald-trumps-childhood-home/
Personally, I like Tudors a great deal, Colonials not so much.
281. Discernment between spirits is a gift. Plainly you have not been granted this charisma.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:11 amwhat’s so cool (and exciting) is how Mr. Trump is more awesome today than he was yesterday
but that diseased sickly pig? piggy peaked too soon!
advantage: Mr. The Donald
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:25 amMr. Mao’s spankin that pig!
squeal piggy c’mon squeal for us
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:39 amIt’s Irredeemable Saturday! Have a Deplorable Day!!!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:54 amEven the Trump supporters acknowledge they don’t know what Trump would do as President, but they console themselves that he must be better than Hillary. But what if Trump’s desire to be a dealmaker, combined with his lifetime of being a New York liberal, lead him to govern as Democrat-lite?
In that case, we will have 4 years of President Trump implementing some of the liberal agenda, so Republicans will abandon him as they did Bush 41, followed by 4-8 years of a Democratic President. In other words, we will have 8-12 years of Presidents implementing a liberal agenda. If you think we can’t survive 4 years of Hillary’s agenda, how will we survive 8-12 years of it?
Will this happen? I don’t know, but the point is neither do the “pragmatic” Trump supporters who are letting their idealistic, wishful thinking about Trump guide their votes.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:56 amCop: Come on, we’re headin’ downtown.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:59 amSugar Bear: Where your warrant at?
Cop: Behind that preposition.
Sugar Bear: What?
Cop: Didn’t you go to school? You can’t end a sentence with a preposition.
Sugar Bear: Oh. Then, uh, where your warrant at, motherfvcker?
I may be evil, but at least I’m not Hillary!
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:03 amIn that case he’ll govern like every other liberal Republican since Reagan. Like “Read my lips” Bush Sr. or “Medicare Part D/ No Child Left Behind” Bush Jr..
I also assume Hillary! will govern like democrat-heavy?
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:04 amthe future of the us is already written
you losers failed
but you can fail with a criminal stenchpig humping your face in front of the whole whirl as your crappy little country circles the drain (ikes how humiliating) or you can fail with someone in your sad little white house what won’t weaponize and unleash the fascist epa irs doj all up you butt
if you have a moral compass it’s not a hard decision
ask yourself what would harvardtrash ted and his grimacing harvardtrash sacky do
lol
they do what they’re told!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:06 amAccording to Mrs. Bill Clinton, some of us are “irredeemable”. I deplore people who think that describes my fellow countrymen. I will do everything in my power to make sure a person who believes that excrement is not elected to the highest office in the land.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:07 ami will redeem you by the power invested in me by this tasty breakfast taco i absolve all you naughty thoughts!
this
house
is
clean
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:09 ammeanwhile failmerica’s Chinese betters are free to innovate and prosper
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:17 am“I may be evil, but at least I’m not Hillary!”
How can we be sure?
Frankly this site is more pro Hillary than Hillary sites, LOL.
One would have thought that the #Butthurters and #Sourgrapers would have uncurled from their fetal positions and get back to having a molecule of common sense and logic but that is not going to happen. It’s all good. That small group of zealots can sit around the campfire and howl at the moon. Whatever floats their boats.
Drider (340c7b) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:51 amLOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:55 amI get it sir. I do.
When I voted for Ronald Reagan I heard how he was a Democrat, how he idolized FDR and all that from people like, well, like you.
I voted for him and it turned out pretty darned well. I’m also going to vote for Trump and that is going to turn out pretty darned well too.
PS: It is a tough row to plow but just as with RR, you gotta put your head down and do the right thing.
Drider (340c7b) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:02 amSee you on the other side.
Drider, I served with Ronald Reagan. I knew Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a friend of mine. Drider, Trump is no Ronald Reagan.
Actually I didn’t know him at all but you get the idea.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:13 amRonald Reagan is dead like Kurt Cobain and Lucille Ball and Prince but not Madonna
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:16 amI did not misrepresent anything. You claimed that the idea that we could rely on him appointing judges we like is “nothing but hopes and imaginary fantasies”.
You earlier said you didn’t think he wants to appoint a Sotomayor type. Now if you really believe we have absolutely no idea what he’d do, then you have to believe there’s as good a chance he’d appoint a Sotomayor type as anyone on the list he released (or someone philosophically similar).
Your belief that he might end up appointing a Souter if Dems block his nominee actually reinforces that you think he wants to appoint someone who would be acceptable to conservatives. Therefore, it’s not an “imaginary fantasy”.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/10/2016 @ 10:31 amMy mentioning had nothing to do with Ronald Reagan the man sir. It had everything to do with people, had they had the internet social capacity of that time to tear Ronald Reagan to pieces. They would have.
So to paint a picture. I’m talking about people like you and how people like me had to endure the list of unkowns about RR where people in both parties tore him down.
Trump isn’t Reagan and Cruz sure wasn’t Reagan but then again it is a binary election as they say. Hillary or Trump. I’ll live happily knowing that I twice in my lifetime ignored the curses from the gutter on good and decent men for my love of country. Not my love of my oh so superior self.
Drider (340c7b) — 9/10/2016 @ 11:48 amGeez Beldar, Trump mis-behaved when he was eight years old! Well I never! You are right, no one should vote for such a misbehaver.
I will join you and not vote for the Republican military school misfit, even though doing so helps Hillary win. And at each step, as Hillary strips us of our liberty, wealth, and dignity, I can stand in solidarity with you, loudly proclaiming our higher virtue at not saving America because surely Trump would have done the same.
We can lock arms when Hillary appoints far left Supreme Court Justices, firm in our knowledge Trump would have done as bad, we can stand in brotherhood as Hillary floods red states with our fellow citizens of the world, regardless of creed, honesty, or mode of entry, strong in our certainty Trump lies about doing different. We will rejoice together as Hillary passes anti blasphemy laws against Allah and his prophet to appease the ones who must not be named, positive Trump would have wrought war upon the land.
By voting not, we may sing hosannas to our goodness in embracing the wise words of Edmund Burke, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”.
Our belief that Trump lies about everything he has said positively identifies him as terrible as one who has actually done terrible things, for as it is written, he is damned by our faith, as she in her acts, so we may boast of our self righteous avoidance of responsibility, amen.
LBascom (7b6094) — 9/10/2016 @ 11:48 am“Our belief that Trump lies about everything he has said positively identifies him as terrible as one who has actually done terrible things, for as it is written, he is damned by our faith, as she in her acts, so we may boast of our self righteous avoidance of responsibility, amen.”
Either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton is going to be POTUS sir. It’s really as simple and logical as that.
Voting is not a requirement. If it was we would have a whole bunch of ticked off people just checking any box to get the heck out of the voting booth and get on with their lives.
Voting is a responsibility sir. If you honestly believe what your saying about Trump then you need to vote for Hillary. Yes you will own her and yes people will rightfully point out that you have contradicted every fiber of conservatism by doing so but it is your responsibility to make sure that the devil, in your eyes is defeated.
There are no conscience clearing candidates. There is Hillary and Trump. Take responsibility and vote for one or the other. I for one would love nothing more than to have the Bill Kristol types on the other side of the fence. The zealotry/purity nonsense that has come to pass within the Republican party was distasteful but needed. I don’t want to be on the same side as those types of people again. Win, lose, or draw.
Drider (340c7b) — 9/10/2016 @ 12:28 pmBut what if Trump’s desire to be a dealmaker, combined with his lifetime of being a New York liberal, lead him to govern as Democrat-lite?
“So?” –Dick Cheney.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 12:52 pm#306 DCSCA,
Dick Cheney’s not the only secret liberal supporting J.R. Ewing over Maude; other closeted liberals such as John Bolton, Victor Davis Hanson, and Frank Gaffney are also supporting him.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:10 pmFor those eager to remind me that conservatism isn’t on the ballot — and that is definitely true — thank you for the further proof that even Trump supporters don’t view him as conservative.
Now, as I explained above, let me remind you how I see this election:
As I said above, if you think we can’t survive 4 years of Hillary’s agenda, how will we survive 8-12 years of it? That is what this BINARY CHOICE is for me, and I think 4 bad years (which IMO we will have no matter who is elected) is better than 8-12 bad years.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:11 pmDRJ,
I would submit we’ve effectively just had 8 years of Hillary’s agenda vis a vis Barack.
The country needs a break. (LOL)
It’s never “good betting” to extrapolate what the Presidential election might look like 4 years from now or 8 years from now. A year ago, most people thought that Rubio, Bush, or Cruz would likely have emerged as the nominee.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:25 pmAnd after the first Gulf War when Bush 41 had an approval rating of 117% (LOL), nobody thought that he would have lost a year and a half later to some raspy-voiced dude from Arkansas who couldn’t keep his fly zipped.
We just gotta take one election at a time. The chips will fall 4 years from now, and 8 years from now.
@#307. Gaffney is certifiable. Bolton is just The Walrus- cuckoo-ca-choo.
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@308. JR is certainly more ‘conservative’ than Maude. What you clearly lament is the passing of the era of ideology. Ideologues are out. Pragmatists are in.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:28 pmwe could’ve had four more years of pervy democrat Mitt Romney going to town on America’s corpse with his buttboy Paul Ryan
but no we got four more years of vicious food stamp corpse-rape
sometimes things work out better than you imagine
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:47 pm@ Gerald A: Any time you write to someone something to the effect of “you said X, now you have to believe Y,” then you’ve demonstrated (1) your own dishonesty, (2) your contempt for anything I actually do believe, and (3) your eagerness to debate against straw men who you set up, rather than to actually debate me.
You’ve been marginally civil. This is beyond that line. Misrepresent what I’ve said again, and my civility toward you will end.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:53 pmlol you made a rhymer!
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:57 pmCrickets from all Trumpkins about the photo from 2000 where Trump has let Bill Clinton snuggle up to his fiancee Melania while Trump snuggles up with Kylie Bax.
So I ask again: How are Republicans supposed to argue that Hillary’s been harboring a sexual predator, when the Republican nominee proudly grins and poses for photos with that very same sexual predator literally physically embracing his fiancee?
He gave her money. He gave her husband money. He gave their foundation money. He invited them to his wedding. He chummed around with them for years and years. He got Bill’s advice before getting into this race.
And yet we’re supposed to believe he has standing, that he has credibility, to challenge Hillary?
You picked the worst guy in the country for that, Trumpkins. That was pretty stupid.
Beldar (fa637a) — 9/10/2016 @ 1:58 pm@314. =yawn=
See 119.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 2:02 pmmore crickets on hawt pic of kim davis rubbing her right breast all over harvardtrash ted’s paunch while her hubby watches approvingly
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 2:02 pm@316. In Hollywood that’s called a ‘cattle call.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 2:04 pmThese Texans are just ticked Tedtoo missed the plane and lost to a Noo Yawker.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/10/2016 @ 2:08 pm319. And smelly granny picked the wrong Virginian to take advantage of the 9-year republic’s butthurt.
urbanleftbehind (3538cb) — 9/10/2016 @ 2:44 pmHillary wants to literally sell out the country, do away with our borders, and increase entitlement spending, and Beldar is worried about picture posing.
Belfast, what is your point, why do you continue with comments such as yours? Are you trying to stop Trump supporters from voting? Why do you do that when you claim in to believe Hillary is as bad? Seriously dude, what is your agenda?
LBascom (7b6094) — 9/10/2016 @ 4:23 pmit’s all about virtue signalling and social positioning Mr. Lee
nevertrump is shallow empty and ephemeral it’s a colin kaepernick ideology
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/10/2016 @ 4:27 pm312. Oh come on, Gerald is more decent a human being than any lawyer can be; if not congenitally amoral the practice makes you so.
Not that I’m totally copacetic with decency, mind you.
Blowhard.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/10/2016 @ 6:52 pm308. Your case is pure hypothesis. Empiricism is the means by which mankind says that they know this or that rather than merely believe something to be so.
Nothing Trump says or does in the present figures in your calculus. He is a life-long liberal and that is that. No evidence can be brought to persuade a know-nothing, they have nothing to learn and no mistakes to be made.
May as well call it a life, eh?
DNF (755a85) — 9/10/2016 @ 7:01 pm321, I like the analogy but the only thing missing is that Kaepernick doesn’t seem to have a profit motive for his idiocy whereas the panhandler GOPe pundits will surely die of starvation if Trump wins the presidency. All of the neverTrump rely on handouts from forces who don’t benefit by a Trump presidency.
Jcurtis (c8426c) — 9/10/2016 @ 8:11 pm179. Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/9/2016 @ 4:39 pm
It’s a good litmus test for evil, but not for alliances.
Anti-semites tend to hate each other, or each group following another leader, and splinter, and the worst ones tend to kill each other, that’s true. Think of the Arab groups fighting each other, and the split in al Qaeda (which is not, principaly, anti-semitic, but anti-semitism never exists in isolation for all other evil.)
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1057.htm
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/11/2016 @ 6:57 am