Judge: Go Ahead and Release Some Clinton Docs After the Election
February 2017 — that’s after the election, right?
A federal judge on Tuesday gave the State Department until February 2017 to release the full 1,600-page file of records about official events during Hillary Clinton’s tenure, assuring that the full batch is not public by Election Day.
Judge Beryl Howell of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia declared that the State Department will have to release at least 300 pages of the records per month to the Republican National Committee (RNC), which has sued the Obama administration over the materials.
The order is nonetheless a setback for the RNC, which had pleaded with the court in August for the entire slate of records to be made public well before the November election.
“The RNC believes that State should produce all the responsive documents no later than October 15, 2016,” it said in an August court filing.At issue are details about official functions held in the State Department’s ornate Diplomatic Reception Room during the time that Clinton was secretary of State, including guest lists.
The RNC had filed a lawsuit seeking the information under the Freedom of Information Act, presumably to see whether a disproportionate number of non-governmental associates of Clinton’s were invited to the events.
I’d be more upset if I thought anyone would actually care what the documents said. But I no longer believe that facts matter much to electoral decisions.
Also I don’t care who wins. So there’s that.
Ding.
Patterico (bcf524) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:31 am“Also I don’t care who wins. So there’s that.”
And let’s have no complaints either
Bald01 (25839a) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:38 amhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-07/trump-has-19-point-lead-military-vets
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/06/88-u-s-generals-admirals-endorse-donald-trump-public-letter/
#nevertrump chickenhawks take note.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:53 amHillary’s very first act will be to appoint that SC justice Obama holding for her. It’s a great opportunity to get a moslem on the bench, dontyathink?
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:53 amThere are already alot of facts on the table, and more are going to be released before the election. The ones here don’t sound like they are too likely to be devastating.
But one thing – the election may go into overtime.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:56 amhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-07/assange-new-clinton-revelations-coming-soon-next-week-says-clinton-knew-meaning-c
Our government, at all levels, is so incompetent they don’t care that they are, dalit.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:56 amOh, don’t worry: everything will be released before the election!
Julian Assange (f6a568) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:59 amIf you believe they are incompetent DNF, try not paying your taxes. They are doing exactly what they want to do just like the “impartial” media is, covering Hillary!.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:01 amOur esteemed host wrote:
Notwithstanding that you think that the two major party contenders are both terrible people, is that really a true statement?
The realistic Dana (f6a568) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:01 amRev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:53 am
If the Republicans have any sense, they’ll confirm Merrick Garlansd in the lame duck session to prevent that. Obama has said he won’t withdraw the nomination after the election, and I don’t think he wants to breakk his word on this, not just to the senate but to Merrick Garland. He also knows doing that would make future Supreme Court nominations even more impossible. The only motive would be to put someone a tad more liberal on the court, and if wants to do that, hed be admitting that perfectly acceptable nominees should not be put on the court if someone might be inclined to not agree with a fraction of his decisions.
Hillary probably has no interedted in nominating aMoslem. They are not alarge voting bloc.
She’s more interested in getting someone on the court who will defer to the president and is not sympathetic to First Amendment claims, either on rpeech or religion.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:02 am10. Oh, please, you really are a toady; it’s unseemly to throw it in our faces.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:11 amThe status quo is intolerable:
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:21 am….or guns, or property rights, or states rights, or tax reform, or beating ISIS, or stopping Iran, or opening up energy. In other words, it could be a moslem but doesn’t have to be a moslem. The name Farhana Khera who heads the NAML group has been whispered. He is a liberal democrat who wants to marry” Islamic law to constitutional law to “advance the inclusiveness” of constitutional law which he describes as “mostly white, mostly Christian and out of date for the modern world”.
When we have ,moslems telling us what the “modern world” is we are at the end times for civilization.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:22 amI’m glad that many DO care, and care very much.
Colonel Haiku (59ae41) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:23 amPeter Thiel.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:29 amSo after innumerable sophomoric attacks on Trump, the quisling host has decided he doesn’t care who wins.
Really?
No more believable than Hillary Clinton.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:31 amWe’re making progress, PTS. Before he didn’t want Trump to win. Now he doesn’t care who wins. By the time Hillary!’s sworn in he may decide he doesn’t want her to win either.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:45 amIBD:
A bit of an oversight not to buy Putin.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:47 amInsty:
Why not care? Reasons.
DNF (755a85) — 9/7/2016 @ 8:58 amTrump had better wear a surgeons mask if he is going to be anywhere near granny cough cough.
mg (31009b) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:00 amTexachussetts underway, not that anyone reads the dailies anymore:
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:09 amhttps://www.yahoo.com/news/dallas-morning-news-endorses-hillary-clinton-134847702.html
why wouldn’t a premiere propaganda slut outfit like CNN or AP or NPR have filed for this information long long ago i wonder
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:15 amMrs. Bill Clinton can set her “Russian reset” where teh Sun don’t shine.
Colonel Haiku (61b436) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:23 amhttp://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/content/chief-judge-beryl-howell
She’s an Obama appointee. Is anyone shocked by this?
Steve57 (747e61) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:37 amBy the way, here is definitive, categorical proof that Hillary Clinton lied to the FBI (and perjured herself if she also testified to this effect):
Hillary Clinton herself, many many times, sent out classified information using the “C” marking in the margin.
Denver Guy (3ef9a0) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:57 amSo our host, faced with a choice between the lesser of two evils, has given up. Does he want to be beaten with a knout or a cudgel? It’s going to hurt either way, and in the immortal words of Hillary, “At this point what difference does it make?”
Skeptical Voter (1d5c8b) — 9/7/2016 @ 10:22 amExcept that Donald Trump is a good man with tremendous wisdom.
Denver Guy (3ef9a0) — 9/7/2016 @ 10:41 amAnd let’s have no complaints either
So, let me get this straight. If the candidates were Charles Manson and John Wayne Gacy, and someone said “I don’t care which one wins”, do you REALLY think that they would have no cause to complain?
The selection of these two monstrous candidates shows how both parties have utterly failed to honor their obligations under the two-party system. Crap vs crap.
In case you missed it, Patterico (and I) have been complaining since March and the result of this sham election will not change that. The result will be crap either way, and there is really no good way to choose between hot steaming piles of crap.
Still hoping for a third option. SMOD is running slightly ahead here.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/7/2016 @ 10:53 amShe’s an Obama appointee. Is anyone shocked by this?
And the tea leaves suggest that the way forward in her career does not include pissing Hillary off.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/7/2016 @ 10:56 amthe quisling host has decided he doesn’t care who wins.
The “Quislings” are the fascists who voted for Trump in the primaries.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/7/2016 @ 10:57 amAfter all “Quisling” was a fascist.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/7/2016 @ 10:58 amA hoped-for reform:
In presidential elections, “None of the Above” is a ballot line. Should it win, the current Vice President serves as President for a year while the primary and election process unfolds again, with all party’s nominees excluded.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:01 ammg (31009b) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:00 am
That should also be the case then, for the debate moderators, and all of Hillary Clinton’s aides.
But nobody else is coughing, so whatever it is, is not so contagious. Even tuberculosis isn’t too contagious. It is not an allergy – it is probably an infection. something has colonized her upper respiratory tract or her throat.
She could have a somewhat weakened immune system. Maybe she’s not getting enough, or the right kind of, votamins and nutrition.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:06 amshe’s just nasty
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:11 amKevin M (25bbee) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:01 am
Better, you can vote on a separate line on the ballot for “None of the Above” AGREE or DISAGREE, while still voting for one of the candidates.
If AGREE gets more votes than DISAGREE, the election is re-run.
Or maybe modify term limits like this:
If any candidate is an incumbent running for his third term or higher, there is a ballot line asking if this person should be eligible to be elected, and two lines for the office itself: One if the incumbent is deemed eligible, and the other if the incumbent is knocked out.
If YES, he can win and whoever wins on the line with the incumbent wins. If NO, he can;t and whoever wins on the line without the incumbent wins.
There might be more, and better, people running on the line without the incumbent.
Also maybe if the line without the incumbent gets less than 50% or ake it 60% of the total number of votes cast than the line with the incumbent included, the election is re-run, with the incumbent excluded.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:14 am> Obama holding for her
I don’t follow. It looks to me like President Obama nominated someone, but the Senate has flatly refused to consider *any* nominee that he puts forward.
So how is he holding it for her? The phrase “hold for her” implies he’s doing something to keep the seat open – but he’s not. If anything, Senator Grassley is holding it for her.
aphrael (3f0569) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:19 amShe’s not entirely honest.
Denver Guy (4750ec) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:20 amIt’s not even that sophisticated, Kevin. it’s PTS’ cutesy way of calling Patrick a traitor because Pat won’t get on board.
Bill H (576c5e) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:20 am37
I like “quisling” because it sounds a bit effete and diminutive, but traitor is fine too.
It doesn’t matter what I think. What matters is there are two and only two choices for President.
If you give it to Hillary, then in many respects the country is sunk.
If one believes Obama has been a liberal/socialistic disaster for the country, then how can one rationalize Hillary will not be worse?
We’re well on the road to this “one world” nonsense with the power elite running the show and I fear the funding mechanism… Global Warming Ponzi Scheme, will make Hillary’s foundation look like amateur hour.
This is not about cutesy labels, but IMHO, the end of the American era unless rational people wake up and do what they can.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:35 amPTS wrote:
To our host, I s’pose it’s like asking whether he ought to vote for Leon Trotskii over Josef Stalin.
But his vote doesn’t matter! He lives in the Pyrite State, which will be carried by Hillary Clinton by landslide proportions. He can vote for Gary Johnson or Mickey Mouse or anyone else, and it won’t matter in the slightest.
The Dana who understands how the electoral college works (f6a568) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:47 amTwo questions, aphrael. First, if Obama wanted his pick approved don’t you think he’ be screaming his lungs out for Congress to “stop blocking” his appointee? And along with Obamas screams a steady stream of news media allies calling Republicans holding up the process every dirty name in the book from “obstructionists” to “traitors” for not approving the very, highly, wonderful Obama pick? Second, if Obama actually wanted a SC pick why would he not nominate at least a Roberts type? Not a Ginsburg and not a Scalia, just a Roberts. That would go through.
Because Obama is holding it for her. They expect her to sweep in with a majority in the Senate and if they win by two votes since they’re democrats that’s considered a “mandate”. Then when it’s safe for the commies Ginsburg will retire, etc., etc..
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:01 pmSo PTS, no idea who Vidkun Quisling actually is or was, eh? I’m not surprised.
Bill H (576c5e) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:02 pmAnd I still don’t understand how not voting for either candidate helps Hillary. If you are so strong for Trump, why in hell are you wasting your time on a never Trump site, when you could be doing something constructive for Trump’s campaign? You know- an actual get-up-off-the-couch effort? I know that attacking the host from the comfort of your not so anonymous keyboard is refreshing for you, but just what have you actually accomplished? You’ve changed no minds, you’ve had zero influence, your voice is not being heard, and for what? So you can feel better about your pathetic life?
You want revenge for the last 8 years, go for it. Me, I’m almost considering Hillary, just to watch you and your kind vapor lock.
Bill H (576c5e) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:21 pm39
I suppose his vote does not matter as a practical matter.
This is an entertainment blog mostly for those who like to discuss things with a bit more importance to the country than the consumer trends set by Kanye West and Kim Kardashian.
Yes, California is probably too far gone now to ever return to a rational social balance: it is OK for the homeless to defecate and urinate on the street in San Francisco (OK in the sense that law enforcement looks the other way). But be warned children: just try and set up a lemonade stand in your front yard without a health card, approved ingredient list, permit, OSHA certificate, environmental impact study, sales license, tax number and so on.
But maybe the host has been too infested by the parasitic purveyors of “the collective” to reason any more as well.
The only safe place then would be to join the collective, take your Soma and be happy.
Still, one must face oneself in the mirror each morning.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:25 pmIf every Republican who doesn’t like Trump refuses to vote for him who wins the Presidency?
If every Republican who doesn’t like Trump in Pennsylvania votes for him anyway and the inner city minorities don’t turn out for Clinton like they did for Obama who wins PA?
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:29 pm“The selection of these two monstrous candidates shows how both parties have utterly failed to honor their obligations under the two-party system. Crap vs crap.”
Nah. Our crap is the best. A real top quality turd, created from the finest food and drink available. You could try to flush it, but it would just Make the Sewer Great Again.
“In case you missed it, Patterico (and I) have been complaining since March and the result of this sham election will not change that. The result will be crap either way, and there is really no good way to choose between hot steaming piles of crap.”
Why not use the more common term ‘dumpster fire’, as long as you’re ‘living rent free in the heads of the punditariat?
“Still hoping for a third option. SMOD is running slightly ahead here.”
Your feeble attempts at nihilism pale in comparison to #blackpill and #frogtwitter. Yes, you even fail at depression.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:34 pmI don’t understand how you can “not care who wins” even if you think they are both bad. The President controls which party has influence in the executive branch. Do you think it makes no difference whether the Republicans or Democrats have most influence in the executive branch? Do you think it makes no difference who the President is when it comes to judicial nominations?
Ken in Camarillo (c5b86d) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:37 pmWell then, I guess that says it all. You’d rather hurt “our kind” than stop Hillary!. Our kind being Republicans with whom you disagree. Great set of morals and lovely priorities. Vote Hillary!, you’ll fit right in.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:38 pmgreen party presidential candidate jill stein is about to be arrested for painting protest message on pipeline equipment in north dakota indian protest. it will probably be a misdemeanor charge but if she is really lucky it could be a felony! this is the last thing crooked hillary needs is someone running for president who is prosecuted for personal convictions not personal gain. jill stein couldn’t buy the publicity she will get as america loves their martyrs! she can run her campaign from her jail cell! now hillary will have to go out their. maybe the pipeline co will sick their attack dogs on her!
dogs of war (35b8fb) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:57 pm#48 dogs of war,
She’s not being prosecuted for “personal convictions.” She’s being prosecuted for vandalism.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:04 pmAhhh, Hillary!
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-J-l_KipKM38/V8-Asn3dytI/AAAAAAABB2k/jjI1qBYsqmUzf3FWTA73PbyYx9yG284yQCLcB/s1600/1%2B1%2B1ninetymilesdEY5n1u1w3aqo1_540.jpg
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:05 pmRev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:01 pm
Obama was being optimistic, in his usual way of making compromises with reality.
He did name a more conservative pick than he otherwise might have. If not a Roberts, at least a Breyer, but not a Sotomayor or a Ginsberg. And he may get his nominee through, in the lame duck session, if Hillary Clinton is elected.
It’s not that they consider that a mandate, but Senator Charles Schumer, who, unfortunately, seems to be a shoo-in for re-election – I never even heard of the Republican or any other candidate – will get rid of the filibuster for all judicial nominees, or better yet, threaten to get rid of it, but agree not to actually pull the trigger, if Senator Mitch McConnell will agree that there will not be any filibuster of the nomination. In this way preserving the filibuster for the nexct time the Republicans are in control.
No, she won’t. She’s going to stay on the court as long as she is able.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:08 pmKen in Camarillo (c5b86d) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:37 pm
I think Patterico would say it’s an imponderanble which oen is ultimately going to work out better, all things considered, and all contingencies accounted for, and he’s not going to attempt to forecast the future.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:10 pmaphrael (3f0569) — 9/7/2016 @ 11:19 am
Good point.
If Obama wanted to keep the seat open for Hillary, he would not have nominated anyone, or he would have allowed Hillary Clinton to make or approve the actual choice and let her announce that she would re-nominate the same person. Ronald Reagan allowed George Bush to name or approve his last nominee for Attorney General, Richard Thornburgh, although I think that was a bit later in the election year.
The argument that’s he’s not complaining is not an argument that he wants to keep the seat open – he’ tryhing not to alienate the Republicans, in the hopes they will confirm Merrick Garland in the end, after the election. And if it goes the way Obama wants, they should. At least he’s not against the Citizens United decision. Hillary said she would make it a litmus test for any Supreme Court nominee she names. That’s a promise it makes no sense to make unless she intends to keep it, because it is easier to do if it was promised before the election.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:19 pmThe Rt Rev Hoagie® asked:
Pennsylvania has not been carried by the Republican candidate since 1988; even when George Bush won two elections, Al Gore and John Kerry, respectively, carried the Keystone State.
It ain’t just the inner city minorities: Philadelphia goes 90% for the Democrats, but Philly isn’t 90% black; it’s actually around 50/50. You have the white union members in Philly who are still deep in the pockets of the Democrats.
In 2012, there were 57 precincts in Philadelphia in which Mitt Romney got zero votes; even in the heavily black areas, there are a few white people, and they, too, voted for Barack Hussein Obama.
Even where I live, a county which is rural and small towns, and has a very low minority population, I’m seeing yard signs for the Democrats, at least as many as I see for Donald Trump.
In 2012, we elected a white Democrat to be our Attorney General, fist time that has happened since the position became elective. In 2014, we elected a white Democrat to become Governor, unseating an incumbent Republican. It isn’t just the inner city minorities which are giving the Democrats victories here.
The Dana who looked at the munbers (f6a568) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:28 pm“In 2014, we elected a white Democrat to become Governor, unseating an incumbent Republican. It isn’t just the inner city minorities which are giving the Democrats victories here.”
This would be something to be alarmed by, not proud of.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:34 pmPTS wrote:
Stating facts doesn’t mean that I’m either happy or proud that they are facts.
The Republican Dana (f6a568) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:39 pmDana:
Your middle sentence re Pennsylvania is just a confirmation of voter fraud and possible voter intimidation.
I was in the tip of the spear (Lowell, IN) of “real” Indiana last week, and I only saw 2 Trump Pence signs. I’m leaning toward Trump (and Duckworth to hem him in), but the Pence age couldnt start soon enough.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:41 pm56
Oh… you thought I was commenting about you?
No, I was obliquely referring to the “Birkenstock Carbon Credit” crowd, Man/Bear/Pig, etc… the peeps who’ve made Kali is today.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:47 pmPete Sessions, GOP Establishmentarian, TX:
#nevertrump is a trace adulterant.
DNF (755a85) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:58 pmThere are currently 8,393,091 people registered to vote in Pennsylvania. The current Democrat registration edge is 918,832 with registered Democrats at 4,094,125 to the Republicans 3,175,302.
Fraud and intimidation really aren’t particularly necessary.
Rick Ballard (3ff5f2) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:01 pmThe Dana who looked at the munbers (f6a568) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:28 pm
Isn’t that the same person who was indicted on criminal charges, including perjury and obstruction, on August 6, 2015, had her law license suspended in September 2015, was found guilty on all charges (seven misdemeanors and two felony counts of perjury) on August 15, 2016, in a trial that began on August 8, 2016, and resigned on August 16, 2016, effective the following day?
That’s what happens if your last name isn’t Clinton, and/or you don’t have very good lawyersd willing to break the law for you.
I think this had something to do with Jerry Sandusky.
She lied about being responsible for breaching grand jury secrecy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/19/us/kathleen-kane-pennsylvania-attorney-general-fights-for-her-political-life.html?_r=0
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:11 pmIt is refreshing to have a candidate who stands up for himself, A brash New York City Man. So much better than some country grifting compassionate conservative spineless creatures as the booshes and romney. What is it with Texans and Mormons in Washington? Time to flush.
mg (31009b) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:18 pm44. Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 12:29 pm
Trump, if every Democrat who doesn’t like Hillary refuses to vote for Hillary, and the percentage of Democrats like that is even higher.
(By Republican and Democrat we should mean people who would otherwise most likely vote for that partiey’s candidate in a presidential election)
Also, maybe McMillun carries Utah and some other states like Minnesota and the House, afetr being deadlocked, chooses McMullin, with Pence as Vice President.
Of course maybe that would require divine intervention.
http://www.270towin.com/maps/jyrEr
Map illusrating a possible outcome if the combined 2-party vote averages a total of around 72% throwing the election into the House of Represenatives.
The beige here is not tossup but McMullin. .
We already had divine intervention in the year 2000.
*It isn’t going to be “Nathan Johnson” – that’s legally impossible, as the Senate only gets to pick from the top two, and in any case the Electors could vote for whomever he designates, regardless of who is on the printed ballot.)
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:29 pmHillary did use to know what ‘classified’ meant, apparently:
https://twitter.com/nia4_trump/status/773357334617853952
“Also, maybe McMillun carries Utah and some other states like Minnesota and the House, afetr being deadlocked, chooses McMullin, with Pence as Vice President.
Of course maybe that would require divine intervention.”
According to his Facebook, he loves corn dogs, the Seattle Seahawks, John Boehner, and Paul Ryan.
The Lord was too busy laughing at your very weakly closeted homosexual pick to hear your prayer, which didn’t sound all that sincere anyway.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:33 pmIf the combined 2-party vote for president is between about 56% and 71% Trump wins, carrying a number of blue and swing states.
If it is between 53% and 56%, the election is again thrown into the House of Representatives, but there may be more than one third party candidate getting some Electoral votes. .
If it is between 51% and 53%, it is also thrown into the House but Hillary Clinton is not one of the three choices.
If it is below 51%, a third party candidate probably wins.
If it is above 74% or so, Hillary Clinton wins.
These are just wild eyes guesses to give you the idea – the true numbers could be 5% or 10% off.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:35 pm62
It will be interesting and amusing to see how “the powers that be” and MSM shield Clinton from what very much looks like destroying evidence and obstruction of justice.
Maybe she’ll say it simply took her 13 tries to replace the SIM card in her only phone, requiring her to replace it 13 times since she used a hammer.
She doesn’t know much about “C” in document classification or tech stuff either
The honest truth is she first tried to wipe the SIM card clean with a cloth but it didn’t work, so she consulted the internet and some really qualified geek types suggested a ball peen hammer.
Oh well… She’s waiting on your 3AM phone calls now!
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:35 pmDystopia Max (76803a) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:33 pm
This is not the Ba’al.
Of course, I’d prefer somebody better than McMullin.
The thing is, the idea of voting for a third party candidate couild really take off in October. And that’s all that negative advertising by Hillary against Trump could produce.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:38 pmAnd yet fraud and intimidation are used constantly. Why? How come some precincts had a 105% turnout for Obama? How come Black Panthers with clubs block voting? Frankly, I didn’t realize there are 4,094,125 federal/state and municipal employees, lawyers and assistance recipients in PA. I’m shocked. I suppose I should be shocked there are over 3 million who still work for a living.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/7/2016 @ 2:52 pm“This is not the Ba’al.”
More of a Moron-i type, right? At least there’s no doubt about the masochistic self-flagellating, but even the prophets of Baal might have balked at taking their cues from unseen gold plates.
“Of course, I’d prefer somebody better than McMullin.”
Trump is categorically better than a stereotypical creepy gay Mormon Deep State lifer who will perfectly slot himself right into any role you want him to play and literally exemplifies the stereotypical G-man combination of both off-putting and pitiful. We’ve had a gay president for the last eight years. We’re about to have our second black President since Bill Clinton. If and when we elect a white president again, we want one untainted by the stink of the present regime, whether he served it in a public or private capacity.
“The thing is, the idea of voting for a third party candidate couild really take off in October. And that’s all that negative advertising by Hillary against Trump could produce.”
Her negative advertising has reached what you might call a ‘ceiling’, or what John Kasich would call ‘satiation’. At this point Trump might even think about easing off a bit to avoid bullying her to self-inflicted death before the election.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/7/2016 @ 3:07 pmhttp://www.infowars.com/video-hillarys-motorcade-includes-ambulance/
Hillary has her first contact with reporters en plane and can’t finish her “Trump loves dictators” conspiracy set up.
Hill begins OH address and can’t finish introduction, thanking dignitaries on hand.
She his “resting and recovering” for days after such aborts.
All #nevertrump has to say about this is: crickets.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 3:31 pmYes. She thinks we’re just that stupid. She could be right.
Steve57 (747e61) — 9/7/2016 @ 3:35 pmI hope when Trump wins he ravages our Judiciary along with every political appointment in every agency.
Time to triple check their PCs for porn and jail/terminate anyone with even a hint of issue.
At this point rather appoint monkeys with a Yes No button.
Or better yet just put Hillsdale College Grads with no legal degree on the benches for life and anyone from Appalachia making decisions in the Agencies.
They could not be any worse and more inclined to fairness and justice.
Our Government is 100% Corrupt.
Rodney King's Spirit (d28741) — 9/7/2016 @ 3:36 pmHere is Shadow Stats’ chart of real unemployment:
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
The BLS says 4.9%. Who are you going to believe?
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 3:45 pmI’ve added up the numbers. Canvas, line, etc., vs. gas. Plus, chicks like motorboats more than sailboats. No. It’s true.
When the excrement hits the fan, I’m going for a motorboat.
Steve57 (747e61) — 9/7/2016 @ 3:50 pm68. “The thing is, the idea of voting for a third party candidate couild really take off in October. And that’s all that negative advertising by Hillary against Trump could produce.”
Not in this space-time continuum.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/7/2016 @ 3:53 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I67cgXr6L6o
Shakira – Dónde Estás Corazón
Quien sabe?
Steve57 (747e61) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:12 pm77
The Clintons will make Bernie Madoff and Enron look like amateurs!
They are basically white trash who got good at theft and power.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:18 pmPeachy per capita GDP:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/07/20160907_GDP2.png
Four more years, woot!
DNF (755a85) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:22 pmthat pig gonna eat their nevertrump lunch
and they be like you just wait stinkypig
you just hold the phone there missie
harvardtrash ted and his harvardtrash sacky gonna tell you how the cow ate the cabbage
in 5
4
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:29 pmStinkypig is trigger-happy and unstable. Just look at the way she either lashes out at everyone as an extremist or as a duplicitous conspirator.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:42 pmgranny cough cough blaming the Ruskies is a serious cry for help.
mg (31009b) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:45 pmStinkypig used to tout the “reset” button she gave Russia as one of the great accomplishments of her tenure as Secretary of Email, yet now she’s saying the Russians hate her so much that they’re going to subvert our election.
It’s amusing how Barack boasted about how he was going to make the world love America again, yet when he goes to China, the Chinese don’t even provide him with a de-planing staircase. And the President of the Phillipines said he wants to cuss Barack out to his face.
And now the Russians want to subvert Hillary.
So much for all of their “smart diplomacy,” huh? (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:51 pmyes, release teh hounds. This election is an Orgy of Ironies, as Dr. K has said.
Colonel Haiku (61b436) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:51 pmMr. Trump is delightful
he is very lovely
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/7/2016 @ 4:52 pmIt would be funny if Trump handed a reset button to Hillary at the first debate.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/7/2016 @ 5:04 pmthose words you are using,
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/how-arianna-huffington-lost-her-newsroom
narciso (d1f714) — 9/7/2016 @ 5:18 pmcondie so nasty
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/7/2016 @ 5:21 pmAll this yammering about Clinton and her emails is just OCD stuff according to Juan Williams on The Five today.
He wondered where the evidence is [that Clinton did anything wrong].
“If she had committed a crime then she would’ve been charged”, he said.
So are you all crazy. Nothing criminally wrong with smashing cell phones, withholding evidence. If there were something wrong with it she would have been charged.
Where did you people get your law degrees?
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 5:23 pmI don’t think juan is a lawyer,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3778095/Trump-calls-ships-fighters-service-members-pitches-defense-boost-Philadelphia-speech.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/7/2016 @ 5:36 pmMaudie equates her vote in the Senate as a public official to that of private citizen JR winging it on the Howard Stern Show. Wow! The power of radio! Next time a hundred callers reach Hugh Hewitt and demand to vaporize Iran, head for the bomb shelter!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/7/2016 @ 5:40 pmmore of the kabuki,
https://twitter.com/jamestaranto/status/773638220991041536/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
narciso (d1f714) — 9/7/2016 @ 5:44 pmjames comey is a singularly corrupt little fbi slut
someone has to set the bar
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/7/2016 @ 5:49 pmLauer is a turd
mg (31009b) — 9/7/2016 @ 6:00 pmClinton Lauer is one bought and paid for sissy-boy.
mg (31009b) — 9/7/2016 @ 6:14 pmDavid Stockman:
DNF (755a85) — 9/7/2016 @ 6:19 pmIs Bill Clinton’s hair stylist shaving his eyebrows these days?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/7/2016 @ 6:33 pmHe’s beginning to look like a department store mannequin.
#nevertrump can’t even put into words a reasonable worry that can be avoided by not voting. Plainly the status quo is the road to ruin and is finally about to begin.
The reason being bond yields are being crushed with Central Banks owning 40% the action. Lower yields of new issues can be sold to the dealers but they will be stuck because pensions and insurance companies will need new issue yields to continue going negative to ever and yon to make their money.
Already the ECB, who will not buy negative yield bonds has run out of qualifying bonds with all German Bunds negative.
The end game is will be comparatively brief. Look for equity volatility to suddenly spike.
DNF (755a85) — 9/7/2016 @ 6:38 pm“Is Bill Clinton’s hair stylist shaving his eyebrows these days?
He’s beginning to look like a department store mannequin.”
Hillary now requires soul energy to stay animate.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/7/2016 @ 6:47 pm“Hillary now requires soul energy to stay animate.”
Is that like chitlins and a down home Alabama accent?
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 6:52 pmso she’s a psychic vampire
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2016/09/07/nbc-devotes-full-report-iran-ransom-revelation-only-seconds-abc-cbs
narciso (d1f714) — 9/7/2016 @ 7:46 pmHere we are watching two factions of a minority party arguing over who gets to throw whom out and keep the rump. Party of stupid. Hillary laughs.
Gabriel Hanna (a90637) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:38 pmMaybe a judge can rule that Trumps’ supporters can have “Lincoln”, and #nevertrump can have, I dunno, “Starship”.
Gabriel Hanna (a90637) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:40 pmYou know what else the Lord was busy laughing at? Me, leaving port, Thailand. The priest whose chapel we crowded, also got a good laugh out of it.
Steve57 (747e61) — 9/7/2016 @ 9:51 pmBeing one who was set up like a mother trucker, and did time in a Fed. Pen. the fact granny cough cough is not behind bars makes me want to puke. This system is so messed up…. Burn baby burn.
mg (31009b) — 9/8/2016 @ 3:53 amMr Finkelman asked:
It is the same person, the one who was once called the Democrats’ new “It Girl,” someone who was (supposed to be) smart, savvy and attractive. She’s still good-looking, but smart and savvy, not so much.
Still, this was a statement about winning elections, and nothing more. The crimes for which she was convicted all occurred after she became Attorney General.
In a way, it had something to do with Jerry Sandusky. Part of her campaign message was that Tom Corbett and his successor as Attorney General had been too slow in bringing Mr Sandusky to trial, and that endangered other children. Her claim that another child had been raped during the long, slow investigation was unfounded. Part of Governor Corbett’s loss in 2014 was a backlash over the Sandusky case.
The Dana in Pennsylvania (f6a568) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:14 amYes the illiterates are a problem, but note the literate leave off reading and thinking once their job training is complete.
Literacy, as exemplified by this forum, is not an American lifestyle.
DNF (755a85) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:41 amPTS (ce7fc3) — 9/7/2016 @ 1:47 pm
In other words “I meant to do that!”
felipe (023cc9) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:52 amEither Trump or Clinton will be President. “Not caring” is the same as voting Clinton.
cedarhill (382a17) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:44 amRead this:
http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/the-flight-93-election/
101. Corey Booker wanted no part of that and told Huma “You keep that” during his VP interview.
urbanleftbehind (e7131b) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:47 am“Here we are watching two factions of a minority party arguing over who gets to throw whom out and keep the rump. Party of stupid. Hillary laughs.”
Not really. A high level of public infighting can often be a proxy for the degree of seriousness over what’s being fought over. If it’s not worth fighting over, it’s not worth paying attention to (note that this lesson applies to other important issues as well.)
Plus Hillary’s factions are mostly the types that no net producer ever wants to deal with on a daily basis (and they mostly don’t reproduce naturally.)
Trump, at least, seemed to think that the ignored Republican working-class faction was worth picking up for a fraction of their real cost. Remember, YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:36 amI am no fan of Trump. Good Lord, no.
And I continue to not understand Trump cheerleaders (as opposed to folks who cringe and close their eyes as they vote for the guy).
Glenn Reynolds makes a fair point.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/08/hillary-foundation-clinton-email-fbi-classified-doj-democrat-bias-trump-glenn-reynolds/89929744/?hootPostID=b85a0ea3ba7f1ae5fc86f875484fe304
What I like about this is that he is well aware of Trump’s bizarre problems. And (more importantly) the value of checks and balances.
What an icky election.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:58 amWill Mrs. Bill Clinton conquer teh Aggressive Frog Throat Syndrome?!?! Tune in next week…
Colonel Haiku (61b436) — 9/8/2016 @ 7:02 amMrs. Bill Clinton’s popularity seems to be in a rapid decline. In fact, one could say she’s about as popular as a Greek accountant.
Colonel Haiku (61b436) — 9/8/2016 @ 7:09 amon the wile coyete front,
https://twitter.com/alimhaider/status/773697263600218112
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 7:39 am#nevertrump claims he ain’t a for reals Republican. Like that is a problem, loozers.
DNF (755a85) — 9/8/2016 @ 7:40 am113. Icky pretty much sums up the last 30 years of GOP nominees.
DNF (755a85) — 9/8/2016 @ 7:46 amyou insist on a counter,
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/08/isnt-flight-93-election-mh370-election/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 8:11 amYork:
In a number of presidential elections in recent decades, especially races between two non-incumbents, the candidate with less governmental experience, especially less national government experience, won.
Barack Obama had a lot less experience in government than John McCain when he defeated McCain in 2008.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/8/2016 @ 8:12 am119. And another:
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/nevertrumps_and_the_end_of_america_as_we_know_it.html
We’ve been worried about that small tent for decades and #nevertrump finds it too inclusive. WTF?
DNF (755a85) — 9/8/2016 @ 8:30 amnow mind you newsmax’s honcho is tied to spectre,
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-intel-briefings-obama/2016/09/07/id/747200/?ns_mail_uid=32944113&ns_mail_job=1685623_09082016&s=al&dkt_nbr=n7gwjsrj
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 8:39 amDNF (ffe548) — 9/8/2016 @ 8:12 am
Let’s see:
1952 Eisenhower beat Stevenson. Fits if you change that to political experience.
1960 Kennedy vs Nixon: Idenitcal length of experience but Nixon had more important offices.
1968. Nixon vs Humphrey. Nixon had 14 years in nationalelective office sinmce 1946, Humphrey had 20 since 1948,anddesides that ahd bene mayor ofMinneapolois.
1988 Dukakis had 1 1/2 terms as Governor,non consevctive – george Bush had a lot more.
2000 George W Bush had 6 years as Governor – much more exp for Ggore
2008 -Obamaindeed had much less than Mccain
Barack Obama had a lot less experience in government than John McCain when he defeated McCain in 2008.
I think there’s no trend.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 9/8/2016 @ 8:49 amthe tricky thing about that, is the mutineers as zarquawi called them (zinni, eaton, baptiste, et al) before he went norwegian blue, always have a loud trumpet, echoing instapundit’s complaint,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 9:01 amgrenier, drumheller, murray, dannenberg, pillar, were the parallel axis
I hope Trump will poll better because then his online supporters will stop harassing me about voting for him and accept that who I vote for is my choice.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/8/2016 @ 9:02 amshe should be somewhat acquainted with the strongest tribe,
https://twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/773880561496625152
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 9:07 amHe has been polling better. I would think Never Trumpers would stop demanding that he drop out. Also, DNF’s link in #121 points out, based on current polling, Clinton’s margin over Trump is about the same as the difference between Trump’s and Romney’s support from Republicans. Therefore the Never Trumper excuse that “He’s going to lose anyway” is invalid. So there’s two things Never Trumpers need to stop saying.
Also any sane person would have dropped the idea that he’s deliberately trying to lose quite a while ago (I’m not talking about you DRJ).
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/8/2016 @ 9:38 amTrump is polling better because he’s mostly shutting his mouth and letting everyone focus on just how crooked Crooked Hillary is. (That’s why I’ve moved from Nevertrump to BitterpilltoswallowTrump. The question is, can he understand the wisdom of keeping his mouth shut, and not try to grab the spotlight. I am not optimistic.
kishnevi (870883) — 9/8/2016 @ 9:44 amthe helmsman know how to steer around shoals,
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/773902738870587392
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 9:44 amSpeaking of helmsmen, last night at the Commander In Chief Forum, when it came time for the military audience to ask questions of their own, a retired naval officer, was brutal.
“Secretary Clinton, how can you expect those such as myself who were and are entrusted with America’s most sensitive information to have any confidence in your leadership as president when you clearly corrupted our national security?”
Hillary responded with yet another variation on the theme of “I never sent or received classified information on my private email.”
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/8/2016 @ 10:45 amMr. Trump’s a very good person who’s vanquishing that pig to save America, and my heart has nothing but love and gratitude for him
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/8/2016 @ 10:59 amDespite what you may think kishnevi, I too am a BitterpilltoswallowTrump. I was never for Trump and I am still not. But like you say, I can’t go Clinton. But I did take less convincing than you. First off I will not throw away my vote by not voting or voting for some third party. I’m a grown up and I realize one of the two major parties will win, plus I remember the damage Perot supporters did to the Republican party and the Republic. There is almost no democrat I would vote for President….who is living. The entire democrat party has careened so far left they are indistinguishable from the communist party and I’d never vote for them either. But honestly, this is not the first time in my life I had to close my eyes to pull the R lever.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/8/2016 @ 11:27 amI don’t know who will win, Gerald A, and I’m happy to hear opinions about why Trump is a good choice. What I hate is being told what a fool or a traitor I am for not voting for Trump.
There was a time when voting one’s conscience was the definition of being an American. Now it seems the definition of being an American is voting for one’s tribe. That is not my country.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/8/2016 @ 11:43 amMost Democrats were already tribalism and now most Republicans are, too.
Job well done, Barry. You did transform America.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/8/2016 @ 11:46 amWe aren’t choosing an ideology about how government should work, we are choosing who should lead our tribe. That means conservatives have already lost. Conservatism isn’t about who can give our tribe the most goodies, but that’s what this election is about. That is what Hillary and Trump are competing to do.
DRJ (15874d) — 9/8/2016 @ 11:51 amSarah Palin was a tribal totem without equal. She brought nothing else to the table.
Mr. Trump is not that.
Mr. Trump represents an emphatic rejection of the failed divisive food stamp agenda (and of the perverted Paul Ryan Mitt Romney trash what go along to get along).
The election of stinkypig, on the other hand, would represent approval and validation of the failed divisive food stamp agenda.
Therefore this election represents a stark contrast: rejection vs. approval and validation.
I choose rejection. But I have a very well-honed moral compass.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/8/2016 @ 11:58 amHappy, I respect the White Sox as a team who historically emphasized pitching, defense and fundamentals in addition to featuring power hitting unlike many of their AL brethren. I cant get behind the White Sox because of the their obnoxious fans. That is probably the dilemna for many regarding Trump.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/8/2016 @ 12:12 pmhttp://truepundit.com/nypd-hillary-clinton-was-wearing-invisible-earpiece-to-receive-stealth-coaching-during-live-nbc-tv-town-hall/
Looks like the next debate could benefit marvelously from a l33t h@Ck!ng sh!tlord with a signal jammer, or even hijacker.
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/8/2016 @ 12:22 pmPTS (ce7fc3) — 9/8/2016 @ 10:45 am
She talked about Headers now.
She also said hundreds of people in our government used an unclassified system to send e-wmail (that even if the contents should have been or were classified – she left out that clause) were not marked classified.
Which is true, The point being that her private e-mail was a substitute for the unclassified system, not the classified system. She doesn’t say she wasn’t on the classified system, either – if she went into one of those tents while abroad, she must have been logged in as Huma Abedin.
And she pointed out that while the state.gov system was hacked, her system was not. And that’s true – the proof of that is that Wikileaks has not posted anything from it, but they have from state.gov. They posted e-mail showing she had directed her State Department staff to research Provigil (a Parkinson’a drug, but also used by the military to keep pilots awake – something taht nmight have been of interest to her as a measn of dealing with jet lag)
But so far Wikileaks has not posted ANYTHING from her server, and I don’t think they are going to.
Sidney Blumenthal’s AOL account was hacked, but hers was not gotten into.
Of course then, she needs to explain why her private server was a mistake. It wasn’t a mistake because it had poor security. It had the best security.
It was secure not only against foreign government and hackers, but also subpoenas, Inspector generals, Freedom of Information Act requests and the president of the United States, should he be interested in finding out what she had done.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/8/2016 @ 12:32 pmMr. Trump is good. Some people are just mad cause of how harvardtrash ted’s campaign imploded.
Spectacularly.
With that ridiculous carly fetalroehha in tow.
wth was that?
What a weird year.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/8/2016 @ 12:42 pmDys:
…or from someone opening a emergency exit ala a Seinfeld episode from the 95-96 season. But are you allowed to view Jewish-penned sitcoms?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/8/2016 @ 12:51 pmSimon Jester (c8876d) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:58 am
Isn’t the Flight 93 scenario, something impossible and seemingly hopeless, like somebody else winning besides Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton?
Flight 93 could have succeeded had the hijackers, who were the least competent of the 4 groups already, and were short one hijacker, bene a littlebit less competent. The hijacker pilot deliberaterly crashe dthe plane. Of course things only gpt that far because the airplane wasn’t shot down – everyobody wants to say that’s the right thing – bit aybe the passengers could recover control of the plane.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/8/2016 @ 12:51 pm“She talked about Headers now.”
Its my understanding that classified material cannot simply be transferred from a classified computer system to one that is not classified.
It not like me sending a gmail account email to someone with a yahoo account email.
This is the part, as I recall, where her staff transcribed classified information into her email account but leaving out the headers, which to their way of thinking would be good proof that it was not classified.
So this is a bit like a thief snipping the tags off of clothes in a store dressing room who is then accused of theft when they are caught carrying a sack full of clothes out of said store.
When confronted the thief replies: “these are not merchandise originating in this store nor being removed from this store because they have no price tags or inventory tags on them.”
A bit too slick, but not for your average democrat voter.
This is sort of: If she’d done anything wrong, she’d have been charged.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/8/2016 @ 12:52 pm@133- There was such a time, yes. But, at that time both parties represented America, and there was a saying; politics end at the border.
That time has passed. We are now in the era of a fundamentally transformed America, and politics is about whether we even have a border. Also, the fight has now matured to the point where both political parties have embraced the globalist mindset over the American people’s interests. This is the real reason for the rise of Trump, and this is the last chance for Americans to vote in their own self interests and the interests of a free and sovereign USA. If Hillary wins, not just the USA, but Western civilization will be over as we know it. We will become just another multicultural region in the new world order of Soro’s vision, the vision of America’s founders having died by suicide.
Sorry to be so dramatic, but that is the situation. The fantasy that a Republican savior will arise after a Hillary presidency is just that, a fantasy. Fact is, though I believe we must try this last hail Mary, I doubt Trump, or Cruz, or any ONE else at this point can save us, as the cancer has metastasized beyond healing. As per Adams observation that our constitution is only adequate for a religious and virtuous people, we now have a population totally unfit for the responsibility of liberty and self rule. We can and will point fingers at each other, fine, but the truth is our general population no longer has what it takes for our constitutional republic to work.
There is a slim chance Trump, someone from outside the ruling elite, will be able to bring back some American pride again, as that is what making America great again really means. That is really the secret behind the success and positive legacy of Reagan; everything he did was basically undone by his successor, except for that restored patriotism. It took 9/11 to shatter that, and it’s lack has been what is driving us to despair. Bringing national pride back is our only hope, as is, our divided house cannot stand.
LBascom (09d352) — 9/8/2016 @ 1:23 pmRev H, I knew you were not a fan of El Tupe.
Where I differ from you is this point
First off I will not throw away my vote by not voting or voting for some third party.
I vote third party as a way of saying expletive deleted to the system that got us to this point. If enough people do that, then the system will start to respond. Or start to openly crumble.
Mind you, my objection to Trump is not his claimed policies.
I don’t agree with several of them, but rational discussion of them would benefit everyone.
My objection to Trump is Trump:. almost certainly a narcissist, to the point that he doesn’t care that people realize it. A man whose career is based on telling people what they want to hear and who holds to contracts only when there is benefit to him. A man who seems to have no knowledge of foreign affairs and foreign trade.
So I don’t trust him to implement those policies, don’t trust him in foreign affairs, don’t trust him to do anything not to his immediate benefit.
kishnevi (91d450) — 9/8/2016 @ 1:32 pmI simply don’t see it that way, and I don’t see any logical way whatsoever to distill the difference between Trump and Clinton Presidencies down to that. It seems like you’re describing what you think is going on in the minds of some Trumpers, and that in turn becomes what the election’s about in your mind. In fact that seems to encapsulate what’s going on in the minds of many Never Trumpers – especially at this blog.
I see it the way DNF’s link at #121 discusses it.
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/8/2016 @ 1:58 pmThat’s the problem kishnevi, I don’t trust him either. However, I very much do trust and believe Hillary will implement all her policies. Every last evil one. So I’m voting Trump.
Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/8/2016 @ 1:58 pmLook at how the courts are striking down voter ID laws in state after state. How does someone end up with the idea that this election is about which tribe gets the goodies?
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/8/2016 @ 2:12 pmActually the link at 121 reinforced DRJ’s point. The writer sees it as his tribe versus the other tribes. The idea that some of those tribes may be converted to the “good” side does not seem to have occurred to him, even though it has occurred to Trump.
And ifbyou notice he is for European style conservativism. He pretty much rejects small government free market conservatism.
kishnevi (91d450) — 9/8/2016 @ 2:16 pm#140 Sadly I agree with a tranny pre-op Happy,
The anger directed at Trump really is about how he destroyed Cruz and the RINO Elitist with low brow politics.
They are apoplectic their Ivory Tower is being rejected by the Republican electorate.
Maybe if they had no been so mendacious and porkulus pigs and accomodating to Obola — someone would believe their motives.
But me, I don’t anyone of them.
Rodney King's Spirit (d28741) — 9/8/2016 @ 2:41 pm“or from someone opening a emergency exit ala a Seinfeld episode from the 95-96 season. But are you allowed to view Jewish-penned sitcoms?”
Only if they’re actually about something, or written by David Mamet(honorary Shtetl of Mettle member.)
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/8/2016 @ 3:00 pmi’m concerned about stinkypig’s health
something’s terribly wrong with her
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/8/2016 @ 3:04 pm@135. Pragmatism is in. Ideologies are out.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/8/2016 @ 3:08 pmThe last gasps in the life of the modern conservative movement surfaced when candidates would slip into emergency response mode, shout ‘Reagan,’ and the body politik simply shrugged or stared blankly with yawning indifference.
‘Our long national nightmare is over.’
DCSCA (797bc0) — 9/8/2016 @ 3:15 pmPragmatism VS Ideology
Due to inequalities revealed as a result of politically correct astuteness, a university in L.A. has made a pragmatic decision due to trigger warnings and micro-aggressions targeting blacks in dormitories, and the discomfort of said blacks not feeling like they fit in with other races (presumably white and hispanic).
The administration has decided to allow the blacks to live in their own dorm with only blacks, thus trampling current ideology and bringing back methods of the 1950’s and 1960’s otherwise known as segregation.
At last political correctness has a progressive and practical victory making lives better and more evolved for the student body.
PTS (ce7fc3) — 9/8/2016 @ 3:26 pmhoochie needs a lozenge
happyfeet (a037ad) — 9/8/2016 @ 3:32 pm“i’m concerned about stinkypig’s health
something’s terribly wrong with her”
While I’d love to see her die mysteriously then have both Trump and Pence tag-teaming Kaine in the first debate, we need a starker and more universally reviled symbol of the Establishment than some random gayface to lose.
Gayface identification: More important than you might think!
http://akinokure.blogspot.com/2012/09/decoding-homosexual-face-1.html
Dystopia Max (76803a) — 9/8/2016 @ 3:55 pmah david spade, I figured you would eventually go full h, the huntress was better than this party and the nation deserved.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:08 pmusually ajit pai, takes up this standard,
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/charge-dems-to-change-first-amendment-to-silence-tea-party-conservative-media/article/2601220
of course, they have an inside man in mark lloyd.
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:10 pmYou want to field that one #nevertrump #loozers?
DNF (ffe548) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:20 pmshe subscribes to the no true scotsman formulation,
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/08/hillary-defends-not-saying-radical-islamic-terrorism-video/
as I pointed upthread, Carlos Slims had little to crow about,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:22 pm#nevertrump believes it’s the Rump GOP, anointed from on high.
The South end for certain.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:23 pmone man leaves, perhaps one enters (although magic 8 ball says unlikely they tag mcawful)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/08/feds-to-drop-charges-against-former-va-gov-bob-mcdonnell.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:25 pmSaying that some of us dislike Trump because of his foolish one-upmanship with Cruz is like saying one doesn’t like Obama because he said “Elections have consequences”.
I knew Obama was trouble because of his past long before then,
Same with Trump.
But as said, Clinton is worse in my mind.
But Trump needs to be a little more careful. Things like showing admiration for Putin is crazy, even if I realize the limited context of what he said.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:25 pmSomeone famous once said “Ya know at some point you’ve made enuf money”:
Jeb! according to Peter Thiel could have given each of his delegates to Cleveland 24 apartments in Trump towers with all that he spent.
Seems raising money ain’t the end of the matter.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:30 pm148. It’s called perseveration. People with damaged brains have circuitous loops of the amygdala. It is a neurological affliction.
#nevertrump exemplifies this failure to move on.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:37 pm#nevetrump believes it is noble make stupid pointless gestures in support of arcane principles, the more unintelligible the better.
An elitist whim.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:42 pmodd that only the journal noted this, in their daily review, other strigoi sightings in perfidious anglia and belgium,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3780550/Three-woman-arrested-French-anti-terror-police-gas-cylinders-car-near-Paris-Notre-Dame-Cathedral-police-officer-stabbed.html
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:43 pmthe second coincidence,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/08/significant-isil-inspired-terror-plot-smashed-by-police/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:49 pmWhile it’s true that Trump’s has some book-learnin’ to catch up on in regards to the Constitution, history, and international politics, we’re constantly assured about the brilliance of Hillary and Gary and how each is inherently ready to take command on January 20 should the nation call them to do so.
This week, Hillary admitted she didn’t remember anything, and is claiming total ignorance about classified classifications that she was trained on yet said she wasn’t trained even though she signed her name acknowledging she did receive the training she said she didn’t recall receiving.
“And what’s the anti-virus software those Republicans keep asking me about? If that like a Vitamin C supplement your doctor prescribes you during the wintertime so you don’t catch the flu?”
And now Gary’s like, “Aleppo? Is that a resort town near Wichita? Or is that near Aspen, Colorado?”
(BUT HE’S A LIBERTARIAN AND HE’S BRILLIANT! HE READ THE FEDERALIST PAPERS 35 YEARS AGO IN COLLEGE!) (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:27 pmwell in bluntman’s defense, he went up against mike ‘unoriginal thought’ barnicle, the al bundy of south boston, but few critics including ambassador hill came off well in this exchange, with acme powder burns all through out,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:39 pmas you see there is a theme, with him,
http://newsbusters.org/search/site/barnicle
the notion that jaish fateh would likely be in charge and they are the other sibling to islamic state, doesn’t occur to him,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:47 pmWhile it’s true that Trump’s has some book-learnin’ to catch up on in regards to the Constitution, history, and international politics
Given how well the book-learnin’ folks have done in foreign affairs since the fall of the Berlin Wall, that might be a feature, not a bug.
But I do want POTUS to understand that Putin is not our friend, and is quite willing to grab whatever he can if not faced with a credible threat of force.
kishnevi (41a4d3) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:55 pmwell here’s the thing, you have volodya who runs the syrian-iranian parlee, the gulf states and turkey with their proxies, and israel is somewhere in the middle,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:56 pmAnd I gave up on Johnson a few weeks back. If I vote for a Libertarian Party candidate, I want him to be a libertarian and not a Republican.
kishnevi (41a4d3) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:57 pmliberty interests do not seem strong with him, except for pot and consensual relations, and on top of that, he sees snowden as some misunderstood patriot,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 5:59 pmsnowden kicked those nsa pansies in the nuts lol
i’d like to buy him a brewski
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:02 pmIf I was Bibi, I would consider sucking up to Volodya.
And Volodya can use the same excuse he gave for interfering in Ukraine and Crimea. There are a whole bunch of Russian nationals in Israel, refuseniks of the Soviet era and emigres of the post Soviet years.
Of course Bibi might hesitate. Anti-semitism was the policy, sometimes official, sometimes unofficial, all the way from Catherine the Great to Andropov.
kishnevi (41a4d3) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:06 pmtime to put away childish things, david spade, when they had the legendary falcon, the predecessor to ames and hansen, taking up his case, I knew the gig was up,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:06 pmthere’s a more proximate tie to these matters, with the current russian envoy, bogdanov, who may have run abu mazen, some time ago,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:08 pmtiming is everything and Mr. Snowden’s timing was impeccable
he deserves better than creepy drug-addled oliver stone’s take on things i think
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:12 pmthe details elaborated here,
http://nypost.com/2016/09/07/if-the-palestinian-president-was-a-kgb-agent/
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:12 pmprobably, although he did a decent job with savages,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:15 pmbesides the horrible bias, it’s some of the worst writing on the subject, (a bug not a feature, I’m sure)
https://www.facebook.com/StandWithUs/photos/a.350931762688.151625.19459912688/10153970269787689/?type=3&theater
but lets face facts, she was the one that thought the ‘peredishka’ was necessary, who stood silent while poland was stripped of missile defense,
narciso (d1f714) — 9/8/2016 @ 6:21 pmSmaller government (one of the alleged reasons for not supporting him) is important.
But…most Never Trumpers who claim Trump’s lack of interest in smaller government is the deal breaker would have no problem supporting some RINO who does not campaign on smaller government…or if they do throw in a line about it here and there, they don’t mean it.
The other conservative principle he doesn’t show much interest in is the social issues, which I care about…but, the RINO types most Never Trumpers would vote for increasingly avoid those issues. Besides that: (1) the courts hold a tremendous sway in that area and I expect his appointments to be much better than Clinton’s, and (2) having no interest also means his Justice or Dept. of Ed. appointees are not likely to persecute schools that don’t open up their girls locker rooms to males. Doing nothing in that area is largely indistinguishable from being conservative.
Are either of those things really why they don’t support him?
Gerald A (76f251) — 9/8/2016 @ 7:32 pm#nevertrump believes
lol
in what?
fatalism and squalor
the slums disease and oppression they wish upon their children would make even jesus shiver
they are the sacred mid-wives of stinkypig’s coven
america wept
happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/8/2016 @ 7:35 pmFunny, I’d rather have a President who sweet talks Putin but rides him like a Ho than a President like Obola who talk tough while on all fours taking Putin’s member.
Rodney King's Spirit (d28741) — 9/8/2016 @ 9:11 pmDRJ (15874d) — 9/8/2016 @ 11:51 am
What they’re competing to do, is to scare people about how much elementary things the other candidate is going to do wrong, and how much destruction oof basics, or what someone regards as basic, te other candidate will do, either deliberately or indirectly.
Hillary Clinton talking about making college more affordable, or Donald Trump talking about improving medical care for veterans , or what either one of them says about changes in tax laws (if anyne is even more than dimly aware of what either one proposes), is just background music, which I don’t think anybody takes too seriously.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:12 amGerald A (76f251) — 9/8/2016 @ 2:12 pm
That’s how. (fighting over creating or eliminating obstacles to voter turnout, and expanding or contracting the electorate, in specific ways.)
Only it’s not about goodies at all, but about mostly imaginary possibilities of losing things or having things taken away. Mostly.
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:18 am“What would you do if you were elected about Aleppo?” MSNBC’s Mike Barnicle asked Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson.
“And what is Aleppo?” said Johnson.
DNF (ffe548) — 9/8/2016 @ 4:20 pm
#neverhillary #nevertrump #neverjohnson #neverstein
Sammy Finkelman (337057) — 9/9/2016 @ 2:22 amNot knowing what/where Aleppo is could be an example of extreme isolationism. To some that might be a positive. Just as cringe-worthy, if not more, was Johnson’s admission that he needed to get smarter (cue the Don Adams memes).
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 9/9/2016 @ 7:11 am