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8/31/2016

The Big Immigration Speech

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:07 pm

It’s news, I guess, theoretically. And it’s about to happen. So, let’s talk about it.

277 Responses to “The Big Immigration Speech”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  2. it’s bedtime already though

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. iced coffee

    mg (31009b)

  4. Here we go. Finally.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  5. Already he is harving trouble reading.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  6. Substantantive

    Patterico (bcf524)

  7. Haven’t watched such a great impression of Colonel Klink since Hogan’s Heroes was cancelled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. Just began watching it about 5mins ago, off a recording. So far, so good, talking about the bad guy who killed Kate Steinle now.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  9. Wow, you must be pretty happy with this part of it:

    Trump’s immigration speech is firing on all cylinders! End catch and release; end sanctuary cities; remove dangerous criminal illegals…
    Larry Elder

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  10. Turn the focus on Americans, stop pandering to illegal immigrants… people who disrespect our laws and our national sovereignty. What’s not to like about a focus on “the well-being of the American people”?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. Trump’s immigration speech is firing on all cylinders! End catch and release; end sanctuary cities; remove dangerous criminal illegals…

    …and there’s never been an escape from Stalag 13!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  12. I think he’s saying he wants to build a wall… yes… yes, he is.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. Zero tolerance for criminal aliens. I wonder what the LA County DA’s office policy is? I’m asking, I don’t know….

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  14. For whatever it’s worth, he is reiterating and emphasizing — with (for him) a fairly high degree of specificity — what has been his policy position from Day 1.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  15. “and there’s never been an escape from Stalag 13!

    Deportation squads, man.

    Operation Wetback + employer enforcement + wall + work with Mexicans on a southern border wall for them (!) = success.

    P.S. There weren’t all that many successful, long-term escapes, no.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  16. SMELLS LIKE…VICTORY.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  17. * — HOW he is going to “make Mexico pay for the wall” remains one of those niggling little To Be Determined details.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  18. SMELLS LIKE…VICTORY.

    Trump’s at every damn location working his ass off; Hillary’s in a secret medical facility getting an infusion so she can last another day or two.

    I say, advantage Trump!

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  19. Unfortunately, he also reiterated his anti-capitalist, anti-conservative promise to punish companies that move jobs outside the U.S.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  20. Unfortunately, he also reiterated his anti-capitalist, anti-conservative promise to punish companies that move jobs outside the U.S.

    Protectionism for the win.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  21. What we need to do is foster a better environment for employers… less burdensome regulation, tax incentives, etc., the sort of policies that liberal Democrats abhor.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  22. Amen, Colonel.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  23. do corporations really want competition, seeing how much pelf they provide to the democrats,

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. It’s more than news, it is history.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  25. Yes, Colonel, I agree!

    felipe (023cc9)

  26. 24

    You have to understand, Patterico is a failed conservative, former Republican, Trump hater and Hillary supporter… so of course he sounds like MSNBC and simply can’t seem to help himself.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  27. Hillary’s plan for all of our issues is to FINALLY force the rich to pay “their fair share of taxes”.

    A one-stop-shop liberal plan for success

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  28. well clearly it’s a not a softening of policy,

    narciso (732bc0)

  29. Amnesty delayed, is Amnesty granted.

    What I’ll never, ever, understand is why American envoys who are confronted by Mexican press of pols who tell them how evil we are about the desire to enforce our border, fail to even mention the locked-up tight Bolivian border by the Mexicans themselves.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  30. Ugh…”Mexican press OR pols…”

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  31. it’s just like when russia criticized us over gitmo and abu graib, they have a nasty practice of their own, they developed in chechnya, filtration points, essentially pits were detainees were interrogated and often disposed of,

    narciso (732bc0)

  32. Patterico Troll Syndrome . . . is that what it stands for?

    Icy (1dd25d)

  33. Style: Very good, seems to be mastering the teleprompter.

    “Substantative” content lol: Very good. Lots of specifics on his plan, all of while I liked, and brilliant politically to challenge Hillary and the media to cough up her specifics.

    Decision: KO by any standard. Tonight is one of those nights that I don’t feel terrified at the prospect of him winning. That may change…will change, I’m sure, but tonight I feel good.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  34. PTS (ce7fc3) — 8/31/2016 @ 8:03 pm

    Insulting one’s host; smooth move.

    PTS: “Hey! I’m peeing here!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  35. that was the most delicate way to put it felipe,

    narciso (732bc0)

  36. heh, Icy. BTW, good to see your comments.

    felipe (023cc9)

  37. “Amnesty delayed, is Amnesty granted.”

    Just like ‘payment delayed is definitely not payment denied.’ The key provision is that they still have to go back temporarily before they come back…and temporary can turn permanent in a real hurry.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  38. I feel I am growing, narciso. Into what? Who knows.

    felipe (023cc9)

  39. I find evidence is better than invective, which is to often dismissed,

    narciso (732bc0)

  40. 34

    Insult?

    He said he is no longer a Republican. check
    Leaving the Republican Party is failing conservatism. check
    Trump hater. Double check.
    Hillary supporter. Check again… not voting for Trump supports Hillary.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  41. Patricia (5fc097) — 8/31/2016 @ 8:15 pm

    I believe you are speaking for me as well.

    felipe (023cc9)

  42. Thanks felipe. It’s good to be hanging around in a non-obituary capacity for a change.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  43. rip juan gabriel, he’s been given the mexican version of michael jackson for the last four days,

    narciso (732bc0)

  44. Leaving the Republican Party is failing conservatism
    — On the contrary: Leaving conservatism has been the Republican Party’s greatest failing.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  45. just filling in,

    narciso (732bc0)

  46. This is what patriots have been wanting to hear since the days of the minute men of the 90’s that culminated with the resulation to build the wall in 2006…thAt still hasn’t been built.

    We will see if America wants to survive, or if the democrats and the nevertrumpers will damn us and the world to globalist hell

    LBascom (09d352)

  47. “Unfortunately, he also reiterated his anti-capitalist, anti-conservative promise to punish companies that move jobs outside the U.S.”

    That wasn’t anti-conservative, that was anti-globalist crony corporatist.

    Oh, wait. Maybe that IS anti-conservative…

    LBascom (09d352)

  48. Excellent speech

    Straight forward.
    Simple to understand.
    Bullet Points with specific plans of action.
    Spoke to real concerns of American people.

    I’m sure haters and liberals will talk about how hateful and misanthropic Trump was, but his double play today of a successful visit to Mexico followed by this speech really took the Dems by surprise.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  49. Since he’s going to lower taxes and reduce regulations, companies will no longer be exporting jobs overseas; therefore, the threat he’s voicing is totally unnecessary — right?

    Icy (1dd25d)

  50. I saw Juan Gabriel here a few years ago and he was fantastic. The crowd was great too. Everyone was singing along and his mariachi group was the best I’d seen.
    No I did not have a taco bowl, but some Modelo’s disappeared mysteriously.

    Trump will probably do better with Mexican Americans and African Americans than Romney. Hillary will do better with RINO’s than Romney (yeah Joe Scarborough). Good riddance

    steveg (5508fb)

  51. Icy
    Threaten stick, offer carrot.
    Seems to be a theme

    steveg (5508fb)

  52. 44

    Perhaps, but that’s largely due to the tenured professional political class.

    Now, for the first time, we have a non-politician candidate who has the potential to cause a non-violent revolution in this country and get back to true values that once made the party great.

    This is something to embrace and celebrate, not vilify and mock with elitist cynicism.

    If not now… when?

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  53. he was a great talent, however they have dialed to eleventy, specially now that he was cremated, while the mob expected a public ceremony, everything in mexico is in shadows down there, they publically supported all the guerilla movements abroad, yet deal ruthlessly with home grown elements, they deport every cuban emigre who sets foot in the country, (the reason there was a boycott of corona, in the late 90s) yet for themselves, you know the drill,

    narciso (732bc0)

  54. And where was Maude?

    Getting script from Dr. Vlassic Pickle.

    Take two dills and call her in the morning.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. 54

    Dills will be left on vibrate while she’s in the shower.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  56. Threaten stick, offer carrot.
    Seems to be a theme

    — It is THE theme of the progressive movement. And make no mistake, Mr. Smart Manager has no real intention whatsoever of shrinking the overall size & scope of government. He just wants to make it control things differently.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  57. “Mr. Smart Manager has no real intention whatsoever of shrinking the overall size & scope of government. He just wants to make it control things differently.”

    Ideally after extirpating the Party of the Permanent Civil Service root and branch (first triple ICE officers, then fire the third that just happen to be Democrat sinecures.)

    He is attacking the Cathedral media (manufactures consent) already. It remains to be seen whether the professoriate (makes decisions) or the Permanent Civil Service (enforces the outcome) will be more fully targeted next.

    A more ‘diverse’ people will always require Bigger Government to handle the inevitable and predictable conflicts of diversity. Trump indicates that he’s interested in removing the ‘illegal immigrant’ supply of the diverse element, which will in the long run reduce the demand for bigger government to handle the conflicts in that section. Smart!

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  58. Leaving the GOP = failing conservatism.

    Possibly not accurate.

    Dustin (ff3764)

  59. “, the threat he’s voicing is totally unnecessary — right?”

    Icy, if multi-national corporations want to relocate to take advantage of low worker compensation/safety laws without the concerns of environmental and a million other regulatory laws here in the U.S., then they should have to pay a steep penalty for that if they want to market their products here.

    You may feel fine hamstringing domestic production to promote worker Utopia and environmental purity at home at the expense of slave labor and environmental destruction abroad so as to have access to cheap consumption, but there is a price to pay for your indulgences regardless. You are bargaining away your country’s future for your temporal guilt free pleasures, which is fine, just don’t pretend to be some kinda virtue driven ideologue while you do it. You’re just a selfish self absorbed navel gazer trying to act the part of virtuous sage.

    You ain’t fooling anyone but yourself.

    LBascom (09d352)

  60. It IS good to read your comments, Icy. I got so used to glancing at monikers in a quick scroll, I’d read “icy” and think, “oh no, who died now?”

    Teh Iceman cometh and no one’s on ice!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  61. I think the carrot will be a very low rate on repatriations mixed with various tricks to create a short term disincentive for leaving.
    Wealthy corporations can hire the smartest people and sooner or later they will regain the advantage if policies remain static, so my guess is that most will gladly work here and use their cash here as long as the greedheads in the business of government can keep their filthy pee stained hands away from the cash.

    One of the good things about Trump is that he is not one of those “groomed” candidates.
    We have one here named Das Williams. He is on all the left boards and for all the left hot button issues. The D’s have buttered his way up and he has never held a job that wasn’t created as a way to pay him to be a professional politician… kinda like el muy lind-O y su esposa Michi who wake up every day not feeling in humbled awe of being leaders of a great nation, but who instead choose to live under a cloud in the house slaves built.

    Trump is the antidote to what amounts to political ebola… well, he’s the only antidote we’ve got right now and the patient is flatlining, so I’m in

    steveg (5508fb)

  62. Wait til November 9th, Mr. Colonel.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  63. @54 DCSCA

    Dos Pepinos for Sister Hillary.

    Pinandpuller (b06cac)

  64. I’m for lower corporate taxes, removing onerous regulations, eliminating Obamacare’s employer mandate . . . IOW, reducing or eliminating existing penalties rather than threatening new ones.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  65. But, but, but, but, Trump is a RACAMATIST or SUMPTING!!! But but but but, it will cost ELEVENTY!!!!! TRILLION PESO’S to DEPORT all of those LOVING FAMILIES…..

    Right???

    You dimwits are going to LOVE….Rodham. She’s so much more reasonable.
    Patterico, you will need a LICENSE soon.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  66. Never change, GUS!

    Lord knows, you haven’t so far.

    Icy (1dd25d)

  67. Thanks Icy. I’ll stand behind what I say. God Bless.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  68. Btw Icy, I agree with you on onerous taxation and gubmint intrusion, BUT, that is what LIBTARDS dooooo. More Money, More Money. YOUR MONEY.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  69. Build the wall- Save the Snails that the coyotes and crimaleins are killing on the border.

    mg (31009b)

  70. Or as Hewitt later said: “This was a 100 percent great day for Donald Trump.”
    Ruh Ro- rinos doing the about face.

    mg (31009b)

  71. He’s always talked a good game. And his talk is worth as much now as it was last week. He’ll say anything from moment to moment and the P.T. Barnum demographic will eat it up.

    The donations had dropped on his website, with all his post-convention gaffes, that’s all that happened. Now they’ll shoot up up again. Hit that button, boys! Aqua Net doesn’t grow on trees.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. The catheter coalition is leaking. Red queen needs a mop.

    mg (31009b)

  73. here’s the full text of Mr. Trump’s speech

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. The fundamental problem with the immigration system in our country is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors, political activists and powerful politicians. Let me tell you who it doesn’t serve: it doesn’t serve you, the American people.

    bam he nailed it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. Those who abuse our welfare system will be priorities for removal.

    stinkypig can’t even criticize this for fear of calling attention to Mr. Trump’s bold commonsense approach

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  76. Watching the people of Arizona cheer on the Cheeto is interesting. He recently endorsed the Leader of The Gang of Eight who has no intention of building a wall and has actively fought against it at every turn except about every six years when he changes parties and acts like a republican to get reelected. Tuesday we watched as Johnny McShame won the primary over an actual conservative. Foul and disgusting does not begin to describe the ads he ran against his opponent.

    People cheer like Trump has thrown a small child into a gorilla enclosure at Trumps platitudes yet place the most obstructionist senile doddering old fart right back in the position to block any attempt to enforce actions against illegal aliens. Just goes to illustrate that when speaking of the Masses the “M” is silent.

    Azygos (198248)

  77. Patterico Troll Syndrome wrote:

    Hillary supporter. Check again… not voting for Trump supports Hillary.

    Why? Hillary Clinton will carry California, by a huge margin, even if our host voted for Donald Trump. He can vote for Gary Johnson or someone else, or not vote at all, and it won’t make one bit of difference in the outcome.

    I’m voting for Gary Johnson. Pennsylvania hasn’t been carried by a Republican since 1988, and Mrs Clinton will carry the Keystone State easily; my vote for Governor Johnson won’t help Mrs Clinton, but it will state that I do not support Mr Trump.

    The Dana who can count (f6a568)

  78. I’m almost tempted to vote for him just to see him go back on all this stuff. Almost. Because it won’t make no never mind. His true believers will find excuses for him; the drones will say that they only voted for him because of “R”; the gold diggers will say they never believed him in the first place; the pervs will say better him than Cruz; and the resigned will say our other choice was Hillary.

    nk (dbc370)

  79. i doubledog dare you

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  80. Foul and disgusting does not begin to describe the ads he ran against his opponent.

    you have links i would like to see

    he really is a disgusting p.o.s. nonpareil

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  81. Our Windy City barrister wrote:

    I’m almost tempted to vote for him just to see him go back on all this stuff.

    You don’t need to vote for Donald Trump just to see that. And in Illinois, your vote won’t matter anyway.

    The realistic Dana (f6a568)

  82. Thank you, Dana, I just realized that. I don’t have to wait until January 21, 2017. Just until next week.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. Donald Trump said:

    Those who abuse our welfare system will be priorities for removal.

    Then we’ll be deporting millions of actual American citizens as well, which I would be perfectly happy to see happen.

    The only solution to illegal immigration is to end welfare, period. Not reform it, not try to make it tougher, but just flat end it. We have to make it a choice between not working and eating; it has to become a situation where if you don’t work, you just flat starve to death. then you’ll see a whole bunch of people who could never find jobs finding jobs, and American employers having American workers rather than Mexicans. The illegals would self-deport and stop coming because they’d have no jobs.

    Of course, we won’t do that, and I’m not stupid enough to think that we ever would, but it’s really the only solution.

    The coldly realistic Dana (f6a568)

  84. even if you don’t vote for him Mr. Trump wants to secure the border for you and deport the criminal illegal aliens preying on your children

    it’s very inspiring to see someone so dedicated to helping america break free from the demeaning chamberslut paul ryan status quo it’s mired in

    there’s hope for a new day yet

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  85. Put not your faith in mens,
    Who wear corsets over their Depends.

    nk (dbc370)

  86. he’s gonna beat that pig Mr. nk

    then he can say

    i work is done

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  87. #83, Now that is a Conservative view point.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  88. I think Happyfeet is Ann Coulter. Or a tranny-like pre-op version of her.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  89. This election is reminding me more daily of 1980. Not because Trump is Reagan but by THE ESTABLISHMENTS response to the “foreign Body”

    It went from ignoring the foriegn body
    Fighting the foreign body
    Losing to the foreign body
    Now accepting it.

    All these RINO Pigs see is their future paycheck and have decided Ruh-Roh our $$$ is in jeopardy so maybe I change my tune on Trump.

    Really only shows was vile pigs these filth are who live off the Govt and the Govt News Cycle.

    Reagan was the same. They mocked, insulted, screamed, yelled …. and shockingly as the day came they calmed down and after he won they celebrated AS IF THE VICTORY WAS THEIRS. James Baker Uber Alles comes to mind as one of them.

    LOL, goes to show you winners rule and losers drool.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  90. Comparing Trump to Reagan is like comparing Pee Wee Herman to Clint Eastwood.

    BTW, happyfeet is definitely not Ann Coulter. He is a much better writer and you cannot fake that.

    nk (dbc370)

  91. hah you’re wrong guess again

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  92. oopers #91 was for Mr. Spirit

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  93. Of course, we won’t do that, and I’m not stupid enough to think that we ever would, but it’s really the only solution.

    It’s also the only decent and moral solution. We now have a government that rewards sloth and penalizes industry. There is nothing moral or “compassionate” about that.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  94. And the same holds true for their principal demographics. Thirty-six years ago, Reagan’s core had fought WWII. Trump’s core danced disco. Audie Murphy vs. John Travolta.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. Vote for Mrs. Bill Clinton. Yeah… that’s teh ticket!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  96. Or teh New Mexican fellow with teh glazed eyes…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  97. Happyfeet, I really don’t want to slosh through posting links to them. He promoted that she voted against supporting our Troops even though she was a State Senator not Federal. He called her Chem-Trail Kelly insinuating that Dr Kelli Ward believed in the Chem-Trail nonsense. I don’t remember seeing any ads she placed attacking him personally but almost all his ads attacked her personally.

    And yet we see a huge crowd of people who voted for McShame Laughing and flirting like hoors while Trump gives a speech McShame would never endorse in a non-election year.

    The “M” in Masses is silent.

    Azygos (198248)

  98. Granny catheter will explode before the election. And then all the lawyerly constitutionalists with diplomas everywhere will demand obama serve a third term.

    mg (31009b)

  99. The Return of teh New Pollution

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  100. “A divided U.S. Supreme Court refused Wednesday to reinstate North Carolina’s voter identification requirement and keep just 10 days of early in-person voting.”

    Elect Mrs. Bill Clinton!

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  101. Vote your conscience. It’s your call… the rest of us merely have to live with the consequences.

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  102. If every single person who voted for McCain or Romney voted for Trump, but nobody who voted for Obama voted for Trump or for a third party, Trump would not get elected.

    Of course, there’s turnover in the electorate, but that’s a quick dirty calculation you can make.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  103. I’d mention Trump’s promises aren’t reliable, but we already know that if Trump went to the left on amnesty his supporters would be completely OK with that. Because it happened last week.

    If Trump shoots a guy dead in the street today, the same crew of partisans will line up to tell me that not only are they voting for him, but I’m a real bastard if I don’t too.

    It’s a shame Johnson isn’t really a libertarian or that party would really have a golden opportunity here.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  104. Mr Finkelman’s quick dirty calculation is better expressed as: if every smart person voted for Donald Trump, but nobody who was stupid voted for Mr Trump or a third party candidate, Mr Trump would not get elected.

    Fixed that for you.

    The repairman Dana (f6a568)

  105. 103.I’d mention Trump’s promises aren’t reliable, but we already know that if Trump went to the left on amnesty his supporters would be completely OK with that. Because it happened last week.

    If Trump shoots a guy dead in the street today, the same crew of partisans will line up to tell me that not only are they voting for him, but I’m a real bastard if I don’t too.

    I’m Hillary! Clinton, and I approved this ad.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  106. 98. Obama would resign for whatever reason (maybe a Stage 1 Lung Cancer “diagnosis”) and install Biden. In that scenario, would that mean 3 months of VP Nan from San Fran?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  107. …and when disco wasnt cool anymore, they went punk or heavy metal/ballad rock.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  108. dear wapo please to put me down too i don’t approve of hillary i think she’s a smelly pig

    best,

    happyfeet

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  109. Here is a chart of the abysmal collapse in US Manufacturing:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/01/ISM%20august%202016%20table.jpg

    No bright spot anywhere.

    DNF (755a85)

  110. 104. Even in grimy PA, it is an even contest.

    DNF (755a85)

  111. 103. Whether you are a bastard or not is hardly as noticable as your schtoopid.

    DNF (755a85)

  112. DNF, I have asked this twice before of you. Perhaps you did not see it. Perhaps you have no answer.

    Presuming all the news you present from ZeroHedge is accurate, how will electing Trump help?

    kishnevi (41a4d3)

  113. I’m Hillary! Clinton, and I approved this ad.
    No, she wouldn’t, because it is the truth, and Hillary wouldn’t recognize the truth if it fell on her.

    kishnevi (41a4d3)

  114. DNF: Hillary Clinton has a 7 point lead over Donald Trump in the Keystone State.

    There’s still plenty of time until election day, but if Donald Trump has a chance in Pennsylvania, then my vote won’t be needed anyway, because he’ll be headed to a landslide victory across the country.

    The Dana in Pennsylvania (f6a568)

  115. 102. Not particularly insightful.

    Romany lost > 1.5 Million of the base voting for McVain but mostly made that margin up getting 10% more Indies.

    More to the point, 50% of those eligible to vote have not seen fit to show up at all.

    We have no data on these people but that 13 million voted in the Republican primaries, the total being the most ever.

    DNF (755a85)

  116. 115. CNN? That’s rich.

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/20/trump-state-poll-tracker/

    In recent weeks a poll had him up 5 in PA. Uncritically reporting polls is idiocy.

    DNF (755a85)

  117. 113. I answered at length threads back, it is your turn to justify being herded once again into the box car.

    DNF (755a85)

  118. Clinton currently has a 7.3 point lead in Pennsylvania (Trumpbart fantasies notwithstanding). The speech last night should solidify the very solid 40%-43% ceiling which appears to be the height of his aspirations.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  119. Breitbart: we’ll make up numbers out if thin air to help the delusion.

    Meanwhile, DNF, my question posed in 113 remains unanswered.

    kishnevi (41a4d3)

  120. 118.
    The only thing I’ve seen from you are sneers and rants.

    I will therefore assume you have no answer.

    kishnevi (41a4d3)

  121. @The repairman Dana

    The only thing is, there are people who are “stupid” who vote for the Democrat, and there are other people who are “stupid” who vote for the Republican. I would agree that the people who usually vote for the Republican, are, on average, better informed.

    Hillary Clinton, by rights, of course, should get fewer votes than John Kerry did in 2004. People have a really bad opinion of her, and it’s actually getting worse as more people get better informed, and as she goes on.

    But slightly more people have a really bad opinion of Donald Trump. Although in the latest (ABC) poll it’s 60% who have a bad opinion of Trump and 59% of Clinton. It could be the sample, though. Trump should have stayed at about 65% negative opinion or gotten worse. Maybe to some people, it has aspects of a zero-sum game.

    The problem is there are a lot of really partisan Democrats – not that many, but enough – who are maybe ready to believe in the vast right wing conspiracy, or for some other reason do not absorb the informaton that there’s an integrity problem with Hillary Clinton, and there’s more people with such biias than among Republicans. Criticism isn’t made that much by pro-Democrat leaning news media, and none by elected officials.

    And they are ready to believe anything about Donald Trump – that he’ll cause a nuclear war or give strength to the KKK, which they imagine is an actual functioning organization, and not just a unorganized fringe group, like the 9/11 Truthers.

    The people who have a bad opinion of Donald Trump probably don’t all find all the same things wrong with him.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  122. And then there’s the factor that Hilary Clinton is associated with the Democratic Party for many years, whle Trump is a more or less newcomer to the Republican Party, or maybe what could be called a prodigal son. He did make some kind of an attempt to be named George H. W Bush’s vice president in 1988.

    http://nypost.com/2015/11/09/was-donald-trump-almost-on-the-george-h-w-bush-ticket/

    The potential Bush-Trump ticket was first revealed in a new biography by historian Jon Meacham, who writes in “Destiny and Power: The American Odyssey of George Herbert Walker Bush” that the 41st president considered the idea “strange and unbelievable.”

    The book claims Trump was the one seeking to be veep and asked Bush aide Lee Atwater to vet him for the ticket. But Trump claims it was the other way around.

    See also:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-considered-george-h-w-bush-vp-article-1.2427484

    http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/quayle-trump-vice-president-pick/2015/12/06/id/704772/

    Anyway, he was definitely a Republican at that time, but he was not a well-known Republican. This could explain why more Republicans find things wrong with Trump than Democrats do with Hillary Clinton)

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  123. “And they are ready to believe anything about Donald Trump – that he’ll cause a nuclear war or give strength to the KKK, which they imagine is an actual functioning organization, and not just a unorganized fringe group, like the 9/11 Truthers.”

    The irony is that the closet the USA ever got to nuclear war was under a Democrat President (JFK) and the FACT that the KKK was an invention of the Democrat Party.

    At this point, it seems obvious that Trump is pivoting to a much more Presidential demeanor and will make many appearances. This in effect will defeat Hillary’s decision to “run out the clock” and she will be loathe to give any Q&A’s since the email issue just gets worse and worse and her lies more and more obvious.

    The electoral votes notwithstanding, this could well turn the popular vote in Trump’s favor in the next weeks.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  124. 107-
    it would be worse with Ryan…
    lmao

    mg (31009b)

  125. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/31/2016 @ 7:12 pm

    What’s not to like about a focus on “the well-being of the American people”?

    It’s a way of saying, to paraphrase the dred Scott decision, that other people have no rights which the United States government is bound to respect. There’s no other meaning that it is possible to attach to such a comment.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  126. Icy (1dd25d) — 8/31/2016 @ 7:33 pm

    HOW he is going to “make Mexico pay for the wall” remains one of those niggling little To Be Determined details.

    Rush Limbaugh explained it awhile back and said it was on Trump’s website. (basically, make Mexico an offer it can’t refuse)

    I said on another thread that unless at least about 2/3 of the American public was wholeheartedly behind the idea of making Mexico pay for a wall – not just building a wall, but making Mexico pay for it – Mexico would escalate the confrontation, and the United States (that is Trump), and not Mexico, would cave in. (if Trump would ever actually attempt this)

    Yesterday, Trump said, Mexico didn’t yet know that it was going to pay for it. He said he didn’t discuss it with the president of mexico. The president of Mexico said on twitter he told him Mexico wouldn’t pay for it.

    Splitting the difference, most probably he volunteered that and Trump let it go and did not discuss it.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  127. Denver Guy (4750ec) — 8/31/2016 @ 7:36 pm

    ; Hillary’s in a secret medical facility getting an infusion so she can last another day or two.

    You think she’s getting blood transfusions for her anemia caused by a disease with no name, or undergoing kidney dialysis? Or maybe what – a chronic infection, maybe Lyme disease, for which she’s getting intravenous antibiotics? Chemotherapy for her leukemia?

    I say, advantage Trump!

    No, in that case, advantage Hillary!!

    We have vice presidents ready to take over.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  128. “he volunteered that and Trump let it go and did not discuss it.”

    That would be entirely consonant as an illustration of the Master Persuader demonstrating his grasp of the Art of the Deal in reality.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  129. Mr. Trump’s policies have far-reaching implications!

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  130. While physical fidelity is of utmost importance, any sustained attack by Trump on these grounds risks making her into a sympathetic figure.

    urbanleftbehind (194c53)

  131. Mr Finkelman wrote:

    What’s not to like about a focus on “the well-being of the American people”?

    It’s a way of saying, to paraphrase the dred Scott decision, that other people have no rights which the United States government is bound to respect. There’s no other meaning that it is possible to attach to such a comment.

    Certainly there is: it can, and does, mean that we are more concerned with the benefit of our own citizens than we are with the good of other people; it does not in any way state that “other people have no rights which the United States government is bound to respect.”

    Under our current (unenforced) laws, we are saying that American citizens and legal immigrants are to be preferred, in policy, over those who are here illegally. It does not mean that an illegal immigrant detained here has no constitutional rights.

    That’s one of the problems that Mr Trump’s plans — whatever they are — to deport illegal immigrants has: any illegal caught here still has a right to an immigration court hearing, and there’s no way on God’s earth that we’ll hold eleven or twelve million hearings.

    The Dana channeling Antonin Scalia (f6a568)

  132. I’m getting web vibes. Not so long ago, in certain quarters, you could get yourself called some nasty names for mentioning Vickie Weaver (aka “who?”).
    I feel in the ether that Kate Steinle (aka almost “Who?”) is reaching the same status.
    I note that Trump’s Angel Mothers lack all moral authority.
    Funny.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  133. DNF (755a85) — 9/1/2016 @ 8:39 am

    More to the point, 50% of those eligible to vote have not seen fit to show up at all.

    It’s avery bad idea to rely on that. They are, most of them, not going to cotr, and their preferences are not too different. They are somewhat more likely to vote for a person outside normal politics (which actually isn’t sucha good thing a lot of the time) but you can’t ASSIGN THEM to Trump. Trump may get afew people like that, but how many? For what reason should they all, or most of them, or even a higher percentage of them than the old electorate, go to Trump? What special appeal does he have to previous non-voters? He gets things done?

    They would more be inclined to vote for the Green Party or Libertarian, or someone like Bernie Sanders or split their vote randomly among all contenders (remember these are people who haven’t been foollowing politics much)

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  134. I am hopeful that Patterico and his Dancing Pattericans (in honor of the Dancing Itos) will put this site into a blind trust, part ways with the site and move to more suitable climes like, Morning Joe, The View, Daily Kos or Huffington Post, all mixtures of elitist snobbery and entertainment in the guise of realistic, honest content.

    “Already he is having trouble reading…. substantative”… Wow.. good one for an 8th grader or liberal.

    Like him or not, Donald Trump is the only hope at this critical juncture for the GOP, conservatism, and likely the Republic.

    I’m sure many of you disagree with this, but that’s your problem… truly.. if you can’t see what’s been going on, especially the last 8 years.

    I also hope the simpletons keep harping in junior high style about Trump’s mannerisms, etc., etc., as does Hillary and place all their efforts into that as a defense… because the Dems certainly appear to be on the defensive now.

    I’d really like to hear Hillary’s 10 point plan on immigration, now that Trump has clearly and unambiguously stated his.

    (BTW, for those suggesting what PTS stands for, its Piss The Simps)

    Here’s a resource for deserters and Hillary Enablers

    http://www.hatworx.com/umbrella-hat.html

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  135. Frankly PTS, I like it. Colorful too.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  136. 136 Thank you, Rev Hoagie. I enjoy and side with your posts as well.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  137. The problem is there are a lot of really partisan Democrats – not that many, but enough – who are maybe ready to believe in the vast right wing conspiracy, or for some other reason do not absorb the informaton that there’s an integrity problem with Hillary Clinton, and there’s more people with such biias than among Republicans. Criticism isn’t made that much by pro-Democrat leaning news media, and none by elected officials.

    The underlying problem is scandal fatigue.
    The right in general has been trying to pin scandals on Bill and Hillary for almost twenty five years now. People now in their thirties have no memory of Bill and Hill not being suspected of something, except for the eight years of GWBush when they (partially) faded into the background.

    But until now,because there was usually much smoke, many mirrors, but little fire (meaning direct evidence) of any wrongdoing beyond Bill being a perennial adulterer, those efforts rarely had an impact. So by the time the latest episode came up, most people developed a callus, and even the fact that we now had direct evidence of wrongdoing tends to get blunted by the feeling of “been there, heard that”.
    And of course, knowing there is firm evidence requires paying detailed attention to the news.

    There are however plenty of Democrats who realize she has no integrity. Problem is, they realize that Trump also has no integrity. So they will vote for the liar whose policies accord with their ideas.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  138. “I am hopeful that Patterico and his Dancing Pattericans (in honor of the Dancing Itos) will put this site into a blind trust, part ways with the site and move to more suitable climes like, Morning Joe, The View, Daily Kos or Huffington Post, all mixtures of elitist snobbery and entertainment in the guise of realistic, honest content.”

    – PTS

    Thinking you’re a moron doesn’t make us elitists.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  139. if you can’t see what’s been going on, especially the last 8 years.

    We have seen and understood.
    We also see and understand that a Trump presidency will not solve things, and may even, by officially making the GOP into the Party of Big Government, make them worse.
    For instance:
    Trump threatens to end federal money sent to sanctuary cities.
    Why not end federal money sent to all cities?

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  140. 139

    Thinking I’m a moron merely makes you unobservant and arrogant.

    You would be an elitist for other reasons

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  141. Elitists can be morons, too.
    An example of the phenomenon in action
    http://www.wbur.org/news/2016/08/31/police-please-no-storrowed
    The students include those going to places like Harvard and MIT, and the signs referred are rather obvious (Trucks can’t go here! Low clearance! Etc.)

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  142. No sell out on illegals populists now take over republican party. Good by ayn randists and neo-con artists. don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

    2016 and beyond (d57bde)

  143. #140 kishnevi,

    Since Trump’s not a perfect conservative, let’s enable a perfect liberal to have the keys to 1600 Penn Ave!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  144. @143 I see someone rattled Perry’s cage.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  145. “Hillary’s in a secret medical facility getting an infusion so she can last another day or two”

    She’s undergoing the treatment that Keef Richards used to do to clear his blood of heroin and God knows what else. In Mrs. Bill Clinton’s case, it’s clearing her system of pure, unadulterated bullsh*t.

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  146. We need to teach the GOP a lesson.
    So let’s elect Hillary so she can inflict damage upon America.
    And then four years from now, the American electorate will wake up (just like they did in 2012 and 2016 … LOL) and elect Ted Cruz!

    They may not have liked Ted Cruz well enough this year — but they’ll love him in 2020!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  147. Since Trump’s not a perfect conservative, let’s enable a perfect liberal to have the keys to 1600 Penn Ave!

    He is not even an imperfect conservative. He is as much for big government as she is. The only difference is he wants to use it for different things.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  148. He is not even an imperfect conservative. He is as much for big government as she is. The only difference is he wants to use it for different things.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c) — 9/1/2016 @ 1:28 pm

    Why do you insist on defining conservativism around one issue? Based on that argument Reagan was probably as much for big government as Carter and maybe even Mondale. In fact that was an argument people made about Reagan.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  149. Mr Finkelman wrote Re:

    What’s not to like about a focus on “the well-being of the American people”?

    That: “It’s a way of saying, to paraphrase the dred Scott decision, that other people have no rights which the United States government is bound to respect. There’s no other meaning that it is possible to attach to such a comment.”

    Sammeh, although you don’t realize it, you have highlighted some of the liberal reasoning that has infected much of the country and turned it into a magnet for people who are not qualified to migrate here and so they disregard the law and jump fences and queues. No nation, no people can prosper without acting in its/their own self-interest. And thank you for calling Sammeh out on that horsestuff.

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  150. Icy! you said “niggling” and that’s raciss!

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  151. kishnevi,

    So effectively you’re ‘cool’ with Hillary having the keys to 1600 Penn Ave.
    At least Dustin has admitted she’s his preference.
    When will the rest of you guys admit to it?

    Trump’s not a good conservative, but neither is Hillary.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  152. “It’s a very bad idea to rely on that.”

    Especially when the actual percentage of the VEP who are non-voters is 38%. The hidden army of Trump voters must all be planning to register at the last moment as well. They sure haven’t made themselves known as yet in terms of increased registration.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  153. Please… Mrs. Bill Clinton is the obvious solution. The polling says so and so will all of the illegal voters whose numbers will only increase upon her election. Vote for her or sit this one out. In the end, it’s all the same.

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  154. Why do you insist on defining conservativism around one issue? Based on that argument Reagan was probably as much for big government as Carter and maybe even Mondale. In fact that was an argument people made about Reagan.

    That shows how politics has trended in the last generation.

    American conservative thought has two poles. One is authoritarian/status quo, and shared by European conservatives. The other is limited government and distinctly American. To the extent Europeans want limited government, it is something they learned from America. European conservatives and progressives merely fight over what big government can be used for.
    Trump and his base are at best European style conservatives.
    I want a healthy American conservativism.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  155. So kishnevi in retrospect Reagan wasn’t worth voting for in 1980. Correct?

    Gerald A (76f251)

  156. I am not “cool” with Hillary. I despise her. I am uncool enough with her that (unless Trump does something even more brazen between now and Nov. 8, which of course is quite possible) I may well vote for Trump. Or else do some sort of NOTA vote (write-in Augustus Sol Invictus, maybe). I certainly won’t vote for her. And I plan on voting for Rubio and any other Republican on my ballot in the down ticket races, although much of that, given the part of Florida in which I live, is spitting in the wind.

    But I think Trump will be a disaster for the country, and a disaster for small government conservatism.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  157. Gerald: he was.
    Although in 1980, my first vote, I voted for Anderson.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  158. Gerald: he was.
    Although in 1980, my first vote, I voted for Anderson.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c) — 9/1/2016 @ 2:12 pm

    He wasn’t based on the criterion you’re applying to Trump.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  159. @83-The only solution to illegal immigration is to end welfare, period.

    A wall and a few watch towers work better. Ask Berliners, circa 1962 – 1989.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  160. Gerald, Trump is for protectionism, expanding government intrusion in different ways, strong military, weak foreign policy. Reagan was mildly for the first, certainly wanted the third, but against the second and fourth items.
    And he was a social conservative, which Trump is not.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  161. @132- any illegal caught here still has a right to an immigration court hearing, and there’s no way on God’s earth that we’ll hold eleven or twelve million hearings.

    There are plenty of mothballed carriers and assorted, idle vessels, floating empty right now costing millions, ready to ‘hold court’ anchored or crusing outside the 12-mile limit.

    A few months of surplus everything, seasoned with seasickness, might just afford them the option of electing to go home on their own. ‘Course such a naval experience might be considered cruel and unusual punishment, eh.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  162. What’s not to like about a focus on “the well-being of the American people”?

    It’s a way of saying, to paraphrase the dred Scott decision, that other people have no rights which the United States government is bound to respect. There’s no other meaning that it is possible to attach to such a comment.

    The Dana channeling Antonin Scalia (f6a568) — 9/1/2016 @ 10:38 am
    Certainly there is: it can, and does, mean that we are more concerned with the benefit of our own citizens than we are with the good of other people; it does not in any way state that “other people have no rights which the United States government is bound to respect.”

    In the context of immigration it means a lot more than that. It means that any argument about how bad anything will be for the illegal immigrants, or potential legal immigrants is inadmissible.

    It could be that the harm from some immigration to any Americans is virtually infinitesimal, and speculative at that, and the harm from the opposite policy is very great to the immigrants – nevertheless the interest of the American citizens must be placed first. That’s what this means.

    There’s no weighing of the harm to the immighrants against the gain for the American citizens , but, reversing natural law, it is all that whatever is not permitted is forbidden, and that what is permitted should only be permitted if is argued that it is of net benefit to the United States.

    And that’s the same thuing as “other people have no rights which the United States government is bound to respect.”

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  163. And furthermore that the authority of Congress shall be treated as unchallengeable AND NO MATTER WHAT THE RESULTS, THE LAW MUST BE ENFORCED.

    Since when has absolute power not corrupted?

    Do we hear anything about: Before enforcing the law, let’s revisit it?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  164. Seems what you are saying Sammy, is to focus on the well being of the American people means somehow to similarly focus on the detriment to the immigrant.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  165. And I don’t think that what somebody lobbying for “enforcement” wants is actually is decided by anyone’s interpretation of what benefits Americans.

    I know how this goes.

    Should an argument be made that a certain kind of immigration does benefit the United States, it will sneeringly be said that all the people who are for this are selfish – that it only benefits some Americans – and that’s enough for them, you don’t even have to argue gainers versus losers. It will, for instance, be argued that it is the rich people, and businesses that want “cheap labor” who want more immigration, or even letting people stay who are already here – those are the people who want to let poor people come or stay. It’s the evil Chamber of Commerce. This by people who are not against the rich or businesses in any other way. As if it would only be “the rich” who would benefit from cheap labor, and not the middle class even more so, if it fact it would matter to the rich at all – for them it is no big deal how much child care or elderly care or other kinds of personal service costs. As if they were for other things that raised the cost of labor, like a higher minimum wage, or applying the minimum wage to farmworkers.

    It will sneeringly be argued that is Democrats who want immigration because they want voters. And no one will say that, at least if Republican Party was normal on this issue, Republicans could find, to balance them off, categories of immigrants they could favor who would tend to vote Republican.

    And if it is argued that immigration is needed to help fund the Social Security system, it will sneeringly be said, that’s because of all the abortions the Democrats advocated – they promoted abortion and now they need replacement people – as if, even if that were true, it still would not be true that that would be something that would be of great benefit to the Social Security system (provided the people found work, which they will if they are not spoiled and entrapped by some Democratic policies like Medicaid. And there the problem is Medicaid, not more immigration. Obamacare is not going to get into a death spiral because of immigrants.)

    And in all that it never will be mentioned that maybe the reason some people maybe might be for some leniency is that they have human feelings – even though former Texas Governor Rick Perry and Ohio Governor John Kasich have actually said exactly that – because, as I said, it is not consdidered by the hardliners that non-U.S. citizens have any rights which the United States government is bound to respect. They don’t even entertain such arguments. They are off the table.

    Or otherwise explain this:

    http://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-blog/rick-perry-i-dont-think-you-have-a-heart/

    “But if you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they’ve been brought there by no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart. We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society.”

    I didn’t even have to wait for the audience to groan to know my book deal was as dead as Perry’s presidential hopes for that year.

    The meaning of them being a drag is that these people will eventually become legal. Even combining “a heart” with self-interest – or at least the same self-interest involved in the state educating anyone – was no good for these people. I don’t know – maybe it’s not cost-effective to provide free public education, but it is abenefiit that voters have voted themselves.

    Not weighing the harm to the illegal people versus the loss to the U.S. citizens means you assign a value of zero [0] to the interests of the immigrants or would be immigrants.

    And, on top of that, if someone argues there is in fact a benefit to American citizens, they find a sub-category of citizens for whom they assert it is not – not that they specially care about them for any other purpose. It’s just that it’s got to benefit every single possible American citizen.

    Am I not right?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  166. 166. Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/1/2016 @ 3:01 pm

    Seems what you are saying Sammy, is to focus on the well being of the American people means somehow to similarly focus on the detriment to the immigrant.

    No, it doesn’t, but that’s what people who bring up the idea of benmefitting americans mean, be3cause the assumption is that the two are in opposition.

    Furth3rmore, when you stop immigration, or deport people, that’s all you know you are doing. You know you are hurting some other person. You are not helping anyone, and you’re costing the government money, too (which may help some people who work for the government if you assume they would never find a better job than persecuting people.)

    Mark Krikorian, a big immigration hawk, argues that the benefit to Americans and the detriment of foreigners is not in fact in a 1-1 relationship, but he’s talking on an international level.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/439595/an-end-to-mexico-bashing

    Mark Krikorian also had an op-ed piece in the New York Daily News on Tuesday, in which he actually some disagreement woth something donald trump said. The upshot is that he is for lower immigration and fewer immigranmst and he doesn’t so much care whether they are legal or illegal – whatever gets you fewerr immigranta, that’s what he’s for.

    I mean that’s what it amounts to.

    He wrote this before Trump’s trip to Mexico and his speech.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/mark-krikorian-trump-tripped-immigration-article-1.2767404>

    To Sean Hannity, he repeated Jeb Bush-style talking points about how legalizing illegal aliens isn’t really amnesty if they pay “back taxes.” Then when Anderson Cooper asked if illegal aliens will be sent back to their countries, Trump said, “There is a very good chance the answer could be yes.”

    As haphazard and even comical as this is, it’s driven by a problem of Trump’s creation: He has said that he wants a “deportation force” to quickly remove all 11 million-plus illegal aliens. This is not present in the immigration platform on his website. No immigration-control thinker has ever suggested it. He just made it up because it sounded good at the time.

    The problem is that, unlike his other, sound, immigration proposals — better border enforcement, ending sanctuary cities, reducting Middle Eastern refugee resettlement — deporting 12 million people is neither practical nor politically sustainable….

    …Trump’s comments suggest he’s fallen for the belief that the only alternative to mass deportation is mass amnesty of all but hardened criminals. This is a false choice.

    What Mark Kriokorian wants is the status quo, except making it a little bit tougher on illegal immigrants.

    He’s for E-Verify for everybody, punishing cities that resist deportation, a check-in check-out sysetm for visitors, no longer releasing 80% of the people who cross the border…

    AND a permanent illegal immigrant population, with the number going down slowly, by attrition.

    Actual enforcement of the law as written? Of course not! Enforcing it halfhazardly and randomly> Definitely!!

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  167. kishnevi (8f5d8c) — 9/1/2016 @ 12:38 pm

    The underlying problem is scandal fatigue.
    The right in general has been trying to pin scandals on Bill and Hillary for almost twenty five years now. People now in their thirties have no memory of Bill and Hill not being suspected of something, except for the eight years of GWBush when they (partially) faded into the background.

    But until now,because there was usually much smoke, many mirrors, but little fire (meaning direct evidence) of any wrongdoing beyond Bill being a perennial adulterer, those efforts rarely had an impact. So by the time the latest episode came up, most people developed a callus, and even the fact that we now had direct evidence of wrongdoing tends to get blunted by the feeling of “been there, heard that”.

    The scandals just…fade away. In some cases because there’s actually nothing to do anout them. Cattlegate was way past the statute of limitations when it became public in 1994. The Lincoln bedroom was basically nothing by itself. Both of them became known because of decision by the Clintons to make it known.

    In a good Clinton cover-up you also have a lot of red herrings. And they often try to get the people pursuing them, or skeptical of them, think they know the truth – but it’s all wrong. Congressional committees bark up the wrong tree. Special prosecutors get frustrated by the lack of co-operating witnesses.

    Other times they feed the beast with something relatively harmless, or that impacts onther people not named Clinton, but make them work hard for it.

    Often it seems maybe that a Clinton cover-up was covering up something not worth ccvering upp. that means the cover-up was successful.

    And of course, knowing there is firm evidence requires paying detailed attention to the news.

    You could still get things very wrong if you went by tyeh mainstream conservative media. I acn give a few examples where I have totally different takes on some things.

    There are however plenty of Democrats who realize she has no integrity. Problem is, they realize that Trump also has no integrity. So they will vote for the liar whose policies accord with their ideas.

    Two problems with that:

    Is there any prominent Democrats who will say she has no integrity. Will even a newspaper endorsing her, say that?

    And, secondly, they may not realize how bad her integrity really is, how skilled (I mean compared to Trump??) she and her associates are at coverups, and how she is basically the candidate of a political machine, and the whole Democratic Party, on the national level, has become a completely dishonest political machine. (actually it started already in the 1980s)

    And we don’t have any idea if what she would do in the way of corruption.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  168. Trump said he didn’t want anbyone coming into teh united states illegally to have any possibility of becoming a citizen.

    Cubans, also?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  169. “But I think Trump will be a disaster for the country, and a disaster for small government conservatism.”
    Your team of republicans allowed obama to rape the taxpayer. susie c. got it all started by voting obamacare out of caucus. what a dunce. And trump will do worse? Don’t bogart that joint, my friend.

    mg (31009b)

  170. Frum – go stick a dildo up your crusty day Canadian ass!

    The Wall Sale (of captured assets) doesn’t preclude the narc-ocracy from just cutting a check. That may actually engender a detente amongst the rival groups as they negotiate/ contribute their respective share.

    urbanleftbehind (194c53)

  171. I his Verizon/samsung devices self moderate (3 letter word) 😞

    urbanleftbehind (194c53)

  172. well you remember ‘clear and present danger’ the problem is the successors to the el chapo, the guadalajara cartel, are not amenable to that sort of negotiation,

    narciso (732bc0)

  173. 170.Trump said he didn’t want anbyone coming into teh united states illegally to have any possibility of becoming a citizen.

    Cubans, also?

    I assume he means everyone. Why wouldn’t he? Why would Cubans be treated any different than Mexicans or Hondurans? Why would Syrians or Germans or French be treated any different? This isn’t 189, we don’t need millions of immigrants to man the expansion of the nation or power the industrial revolution. We have 330 million people. Eliminate welfare an we’ll have full employment in months. If we would stop rewarding sloth and penalizing industry we could make America great again. Also if we would blackball smart a$$ ungrateful football players and suspend them like they should be that would help too.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  174. Wet foot dry foot. Got to be a real strong 400+ EV candidate to propose ending that.

    urbanleftbehind (194c53)

  175. rest assured no good ever comes out of an obama policy, deliberately,

    http://babalublog.com/2016/09/01/troglodyte-cuban-exile-badmouths-castro-regime-on-national-public-radio/

    narciso (732bc0)

  176. I came here legally, my parents had to wait six years just to get the visa, my father had to wait 12 years to go to a third country, not come here directly, my grandfather eight years,

    narciso (732bc0)

  177. Reality.

    https://youtu.be/1jIctcmnhOk

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  178. this just in from denmark,

    https://twitter.com/MastaKace/status/771331484854652928

    narciso (732bc0)

  179. Eliminate welfare an we’ll have full employment in months.
    Not really. The official unemployment rate says just under 8 million are looking for work. Donald Trump said the real number is above 93 million.

    TANF recipients represent about 3 million….that’s the closest you can come to a number representing people collecting welfare because they can’t find enough work. You can have a job and still be eligible for food stamps. So that 3 million includes both unemployed and underemployed. The latter work, but don’t get paid enough to maintain their family unassisted. Usually part time help.
    IOW, a lot of welfare recipients already work.

    kishnevi (10c258)

  180. And you may not want to snark at the guy in SF too loudly.
    http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/08/30/kaepernick-says-hillary-prison-media-cuts-anti-clinton-plea-coverage-385003

    My guess would be he was for Bernie.

    kishnevi (10c258)

  181. well even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally,

    narciso (732bc0)

  182. I assume he means everyone. Why wouldn’t he? Why would Cubans be treated any different than Mexicans or Hondurans? Why would Syrians or Germans or French be treated any different? This isn’t 189, we don’t need millions of immigrants to man the expansion of the nation or power the industrial revolution. We have 330 million people. Eliminate welfare an we’ll have full employment in months. If we would stop rewarding sloth and penalizing industry we could make America great again. Also if we would blackball smart a$$ ungrateful football players and suspend them like they should be that would help too.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38) — 9/1/2016 @ 5:05 pm

    ===============================================

    Yes!

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  183. short answer, cuban americans still vote republican, this is why janet reno with eric holder’s assistance made such a show about rendering elian, at the same time the 9/11 hijackers were coming into the country,

    narciso (732bc0)

  184. what do you say now, nk,

    So, what is this, suit #1,478 that Trump has filed? He sued the DOJ over his case for racial discrimination. He sued the plaintiff in the Trump University case. Pfui! It’s fro show. The suit will survive an anti-SLAAP motion until after November 8 and that’s all Trump wants.

    nk (dbc370)

  185. kishnevi (8f5d8c) — 9/1/2016 @ 12:49 pm

    Why not end federal money sent to all cities?

    Nixon started, or maybe enlarged it, aroun 1970. It was called “revenue sharing.” The idea was why should washington make all the decisions, just because it was getting all the money?

    Now the federal government can borrow money at zero percent or even less than zero percent, and it doesn’t have to pay it back either, but just rolls it over.

    It runs a deficit of something around 20%, meaning that for every $5 the taxpayers send to the federal government, they get $6 back in spending.

    So there’s a natural inclination to run things through Washington, plus people can unite their efforts, and once it is done, it tends to stay done.

    Washington, of course, also uses spending as a means of controlling or trying to control the cities and states, and this no-money-for-sanctuary-cities is an example of that, albeit one highly unlikely to pass Congress, but an idea useful possibly for electing Democrats from the targeted cities. The supreme Court prevented Congress from using the power of the purse to force cities and states to expand Medicaid – I;m not sure on what grounds. Maybe the legislation was defective. The Supreme Court said they could not make participation in the Medicaid program conditional on expanding it. Of course, Congress wasn’t really serrious about withholding the cash.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  186. kishnevi (10c258) — 9/1/2016 @ 5:59 pm

    The official unemployment rate says just under 8 million are looking for work. Donald Trump said the real number is above 93 million.

    Then he’s using the “non-participation in the labor force” statistic.

    That’s where he got a 59% unemployment rate for young black males. The same statistic is 49% for white people. (lots of young people attend school or college and the statistic probably counts everyone over 16, or maybe even 15, and maybe just goes up to 19. I don’t know.)

    What’s usually called unemployment is 19% for young black males, and about 9% for whites.

    Sammy Finkelman (e1ddc6)

  187. Hah! Trump filed suit in Maryland, a state that does not award attorneys fees and court costs to defendants who prevail with an anti-SLAPP. Always looking to do it on the cheap. Roy Cohn taught him good.

    nk (dbc370)

  188. Gerald, Trump is for protectionism, expanding government intrusion in different ways, strong military, weak foreign policy. Reagan was mildly for the first, certainly wanted the third, but against the second and fourth items.
    And he was a social conservative, which Trump is not.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c) — 9/1/2016 @ 2:36 pm

    My point kishnevi was not to say that Trump and Reagan have the same policies. You seemed to be defining conservatism by solely by government spending. By that measure Reagan wasn’t conservative.

    Now, suddenly, you’ve added a few other issues into the mix, but you’re largely cherry picking. You ignore SCOTUS (Reagan’s nominee, Scalia, died recently). Trump is proposing tax cuts, just like Reagan. Then there’s issues that weren’t issues during Reagan’s day, like Obama’s executive order on illegals. Trump has voiced support for ending the war on coal, something else that wasn’t much of an issue back then, although Reagan was generally skeptical about claims of current or impending environmental disasters. There’s other ways Trump is conservative by any normal criteria.

    I’m not aware of how Trump’s for expanding government intrusion in different ways. Maybe you mean his support for mandating health insurance, which is not technically an expansion at this point (and SCOTUS is connected with that too). Other than that I don’t know of anything.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  189. well considering the last outfit that was taken down, by this atty,

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/how-hulk-hogan-beat-gawker-880687 o

    of course in all the two minute hate, against thiel, the opposite side was funded by a russian oligarch, veselberg,

    narciso (732bc0)

  190. reagan was pro amnesty as was bush, what did he get for his troubles signing simpson mazzoli, the
    new voters shockingly supported republicans less in the next cycle, than the one before, and there was no enforcement follow through,

    narciso (732bc0)

  191. Gerald, what about forcing companies to manufacture here and not overseas? His scheme to make Mexico pay for the wall is based on a large scale expansion of regulation of wire transfers. He voiced the idea that local police and prosecutors should be under federal control.

    If federal spending is the criteria then Trump wants to increase it.

    But I was pointing to the four things which, beyond immigration, seem to be Trump’s priorities. Not cherry picking.

    Reagan appointed Scalia, probably the most conservative Justice in recent years. Even Thomas is not quite so conservative.

    I was thinking of the Reagan who said the problem with government is government. Has Trump ever said anything close to that?

    kishnevi (10c258)

  192. But I was pointing to the four things which, beyond immigration, seem to be Trump’s priorities. Not cherry picking.

    I was thinking of the Reagan who said the problem with government is government. Has Trump ever said anything close to that?

    kishnevi (10c258) — 9/1/2016 @ 7:00 pm

    Yes you were cherry picking. Leaving out tax cuts, coal/climate change and SCOTUS to name a few, are some very big things and immigration is clearly a big thing.

    I know he doesn’t say things like that. He’s not a small govt. guy. Which brings us back to your original statement, which is still wrong:

    He is not even an imperfect conservative. He is as much for big government as she is. The only difference is he wants to use it for different things.

    Gerald A (76f251)

  193. after 1986, the dems went scorched earth on practically any republican high court nominee, of course bork was the most infamous cases, who were the dem staffers steering the debate, current sherbank frontman john podesta, the recipient of funds pass through by manafort, from that ukrainian organization, and doj spokesliar eric schultz, of fast and furious fame, remember that little episode,

    they scored a direct hit with bork, they spooked reagan into withdrawing ginsberg, who has proven himself worthy of having been nominated, and we ended up with anthony kennedy, subsequently there was a push to have a candidate with little paper trail, david souter, I rest my case,

    they tried again with thomas, but could only put off a glancing blow, with their insinuations,
    their loss still put jane mayer, who’s been libeling for some 20 years on the map, and moved jill abramson up the latter, where she ended up captaining carlos slims,

    narciso (732bc0)

  194. they had smaller successes along the way, blocking future senator sessions, as well as judge hanen for a decade until 2002,

    narciso (732bc0)

  195. sometimes the nut finds a squirrel… we hold these truths to be self evident.
    OK, but at least some anecdotal evidence is on my side. Look at the Kerry-Edwards ticket

    steveg (5508fb)

  196. and Saint Pope Reagan the Great gave us O’Connor and Kennedy on the SCOTUS. Whatever Scalia did was positive the 2 of them scorched it all to the left. Two of the most radical & leftist justices we’ve EVER had/have.

    even Saint Pope Reagan the Great screwed up on abortion. Reagan was left with an “undefinable sense of guilt” after watching abortions skyrocket in California while he was governor due to the abortion bill he signed into law. Sure he felt bad for what he did and turned out to be a great champion of the unborn, but he still opened abortion pandora’s box and it hasn’t been shut by anyone since.

    go figure.

    yet the fake conservatives hold Trump’s feet to the fire for what? what exactly is their supposed standard? Bush? Bush the father raised taxes, brought us into Iraq. Bush the son? exploded spending (the only other president who is worse is Obama), gave us common core, did nothing about illegal immigration, should have gotten the status of forces once he knew Obama was the president (but instead left it for Obama the Coward to cut & run) and gave us the moderate & weak-backed untested John Roberts as Chief Justice, instead of making the fully proven dyed-in-the-wool conservative Antonin Scalia.

    yet all of the prospective SCOTUS justices proposed by Trump all line up with Scalia. no rotten Kennedy or O’Conner apples.

    YET the fake conservatives want americans NOT to vote for Trump. Which allows the presidency to go to Clinton. Which is their quisling plan all along.

    I just dont care for the fake conservatives Cruz, Kasich, et al. They have done nothing to halt the leftward tilt of the nation into the “progressive” sewer.

    so yeah, compared to the fake conservatives & establishment family “conservatives” i.e. Romenys, McCains, & Bushes, I am willing to go with Trump. What do I have to lose? Since Reagan none of the Republican party presidents or candidates have done anything to halt liberalism or make the USA more conservative.

    all the other fakes have proven to be exactly that: “fakes.”

    Ace (20e1e6)

  197. but he thought the unproven allegations of lurch’s committee, recycled by gary webb, and then in kill the messenger was just fine,

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/01/john-kerrys-chief-of-staff-thought-people-were-obsessed-with-clinton-email-story/

    narciso (732bc0)

  198. and of course, he’s a fmr? washington post reporter, like glen johnson of the ap,

    narciso (732bc0)

  199. And Santa did not being me a pony!!1

    nk, not Ace (dbc370)

  200. @nk, not Ace

    disprove one thing I posted? instead of drunk posting.

    …and here come the crickets….

    Ace (20e1e6)

  201. “YET the fake conservatives want americans NOT to vote for Trump. Which allows the presidency to go to Clinton. Which is their quisling plan all along.”

    Quisling… great word.

    But realize that the Pattericans have given a lot of thought to this election, probed their consciences, examined their values, denounced the GOP, and have decided to make the very intelligent (in their opinions) decision to NOT vote for Trump in order to save conservatism and Republicanism.

    They are not simply staying home on voting day like a bunch of Beavis and Buttheads, but are making enormous effort to resist going to the polls, likely having their significant others lock them in reinforced rooms like werewolves anticipating the moon so they can stay their restless hands from going to the voting booth and pulling the lever.

    What brave activists they are!

    Treason and Hillary enabling takes strange shapes, does it not? LOL

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  202. yes, the conservative and/or republican party finally becomes the party of Romney and his old man: A liberal republican party that is merely a wall against anything NOT democrat or progressive, BUT parallel to the goals of the democrat party. Once you work to help elect Clinton & defeat Trump there is no going back.

    Ace (20e1e6)

  203. @PTS

    “Treason and Hillary enabling takes strange shapes, does it not? ” yes indeed. yes indeed.

    “What brave activists they are!” exactly.

    The fake conservatives never fought this hard against liberalism or the democrats.

    You can see all the quislings in the republican party by all of the ex-members of the Reagan and Bush administrations who say they will not only NOT vote for Trump but actually VOTE FOR Clinton. They probably were wolves in sheep clothing while they worked in those administrations.

    Ace (20e1e6)

  204. Look, buddy! I don’t care whether or how, in your mind, you condense 20 years of the Presidencies of three Presidents into three whiny paragraphs so yeah, chirp, chirp, chirp to you. You prove the point I’ve been making all along, that Trumpkins want a sugardaddy who’ll give them the goodies they want.

    nk (dbc370)

  205. BTW, which relabeled troll are you? What are your other troll identities?

    nk (dbc370)

  206. One of the goodies I want is a foot up Hillary’s PC ass. (except for the leakage)

    steveg (5508fb)

  207. That’s a reason I can understand, steveg. I feel the same way about both of them.

    nk (dbc370)

  208. @ 210- Yeah, “goodies” like secure borders, pro American trade deals, and creating policies that will promote more employment.

    Damn greedy Trumpkins…

    LBascom (09d352)

  209. that would require a hazmat suit, impervious to andromeda,

    narciso (732bc0)

  210. @nk and what”goodies” do I want? especially what “goodies” do i want after 28 years of failed republican presidencies or presidential runs, uncontrolled debt, uncontrolled spending, increased illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, abortions, war, lose of jobs, the list goes on and on….how is that wanting “goodies” to prevent these types of national catastrophes?

    you prove you are a liberal.

    also my liberal friend, disprove one thing I wrote is wrong?

    You advocate to NOT vote for the republican nominee, which WILL ALLOW Clinton to become president, yet you call anyone who votes for Trump, a “Trumpkin looking for a sugar daddy”? again with the drunk posting.

    Im calling you out as a quisling and a cowardly liberal masquerading as a fake republican who wishes to have the future of america determined by a Clinton Presidency.

    again, prove one thing I posted is wrong.

    Ace (20e1e6)

  211. Grasping, Greedy, Grifting Clintons Shellacked American Taxpayers With Millions of Dollars in Costs to Support Clinton Foundation Staff
    —Ace

    “Degenerate scumbags and permanent Welfare Cases — they have the mentality of the hardcore welfare addict. They simply do not comprehend that other people are working for the money they’re scooping up, and have absolutely no shame about Hoovering up as much of it as the law will allow.

    And maybe a little bit more than the law will allow.

    The Former Presidents Act provides for paying the staffers of former presidents. Bill Clinton was bilking the system out of more money than any other president before, and for more people.

    A cute trick they did was to spread the subsidies around among many of their staffers — this resulted in many of them also getting government benefits. I guess if you get some minimum threshold of subsidization under the act, you then in turn are eligible for government benefits.

    They were using this money to pay their Permanent Traveling Political War-Room, that is to say, the staff of the Clinton Foundation. By making the US government pay the costs for their benefits, the Clinton Foundation got to not pay those costs.

    And thus an organization all about sucking up sweet, sweet cash for the Clintons got to suck up even more of it.

    That’s the general background. I do suggest you read every wonderful word of this story.

    But, the background out of the way, let me quote some specific stuff:

    After leaving the White House “dead broke”, in the words of Hillary Clinton, they quickly raked in tens of millions of dollars from book deals, speaking fees and consulting gigs. At the same time, Bill Clinton was relying on his connections to some of the world’s deepest-pocketed donors, corporations and governments to seed a global philanthropy operation that overlapped with his consulting work and speaking fees and his wife’s work as Secretary of State — and served as a jumping off point for her presidential campaign.

    [U]sing the GSA records, POLITICO pieced together a list of Clinton loyalists who at various times have had their earnings supplemented by federal payments of about $10,000-a-year using funds from the Former Presidents Act.

    The list reads like a field guide to Clinton World.

    It includes longtime Bill Clinton aide Justin Cooper, who despite not having a security clearance, any apparent training in cyber-security or a job at the State Department, in early 2009 helped set up the private email account that Hillary Clinton would use to send and receive classified information as Secretary of State. Her use of that system was dubbed “extremely careless” by the FBI director. Cooper continued working to maintain Clinton’s private email system — including advising her top aides Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills on attempted hacks — through at least 2012, according to emails released by the State Department.

    During some of that period, Cooper was on the GSA payroll, drawing a federal government stipend from February 2011 through 2013, according to the records obtained by POLITICO.

    At the same time, though, Cooper was working with Doug Band, a trusted Bill Clinton lieutenant, and Declan Kelly, a top Hillary Clinton fundraiser-turned-State Department official, to launch a global consulting firm called Teneo. It did lucrative work for foundation donors and entities with business before Clinton’s State Department. And it signed a contract reportedly worth $3.5 million with Bill Clinton to serve as a “honorary chairman” (though the former president ultimately kept only $100,000 of that, according to his tax returns and a source familiar with the arrangement). Teneo also paid Abedin as a “senior advisor.”

    All the while, Band and Abedin were working together to broker meetings between Secretary of State Clinton and donors to the foundation, where Band served as an official until 2012, drawing a salary that in some years exceeded $111,000-a-year.
    Yet, despite the profitable consulting business and his foundation compensation, Band continued drawing a taxpayer-funded stipend from the GSA until 2013.

    Here’s a Clinton aide’s defense:

    Generally, the aide explained that Clinton “wears several hats — among them being former President of the United States and the founder of the Clinton Foundation. His staffing reflects those roles.”
    The aide added “there is no legal prohibition that would preclude the former president’s staff from receiving compensation from other sources or doing personal work for the former presidents. We are unaware of any legal prohibition that would preclude these activities.”

    Sound familiar? We are unaware of any law that would criminalize our criminal behavior.

    Isn’t that what they always say?”

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/365586.php

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  212. as my link upthread points out, this is not merely about the predominantly mexican illegals now, but from a whole host of other countries, many of whom we assume the credentials are valid, but as we’ve discovered re greece and bulgaria, we have little clue who these people are,

    narciso (732bc0)

  213. @ nk the coward

    so you have no answers?

    you just troll and makes posts that do not have any facts to back them up, you simply name-call and you sound like a liberal.

    so you are ok with:

    28 years of failed republican presidencies or presidential runs, uncontrolled debt, uncontrolled spending, increased illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, abortions, war, lose of jobs, the list goes on and on…

    and to nk the coward:

    what I post is not in my mind…

    …it is FACT. If its not then PROVE ME WRONG. if you think its “in my mind”, or “whiny” then why even post? so you troll and post, why? why jump in? huh? coward, why jump in?

    what is wrong with what I posted? prove one thing I posted is wrong.

    …but a cowardly quisling troll such as you, doesn’t have an answer.

    You are an agent of lies, you are a political agent who HATES the USA, and an agent who wants to help elect Clinton.

    isn’t that right “buddy”?

    Ace (20e1e6)

  214. GUS get down wit’ yo BAD self!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  215. Oh my, somebody done went and put sand in Ace’s Vaseline.

    nk (dbc370)

  216. “Ace’s” — shoulda been in quotes.

    nk (dbc370)

  217. @nk the fake republican & liberal coward.

    so all you got is nothing? the alcohol getting to you I see. still just drunk posting.

    fine.

    here lets do this again and give you a 2nd chance:

    …and Saint Pope Reagan the Great gave us O’Connor and Kennedy on the SCOTUS. Whatever Scalia did was positive the 2 of them scorched it all to the left. Two of the most radical & leftist justices we’ve EVER had/have.

    even Saint Pope Reagan the Great screwed up on abortion. Reagan was left with an “undefinable sense of guilt” after watching abortions skyrocket in California while he was governor due to the abortion bill he signed into law. Sure he felt bad for what he did and turned out to be a great champion of the unborn, but he still opened abortion pandora’s box and it hasn’t been shut by anyone since.

    go figure.

    yet the fake conservatives hold Trump’s feet to the fire for what? what exactly is their supposed standard? Bush? Bush the father raised taxes, brought us into Iraq. Bush the son? exploded spending (the only other president who is worse is Obama), gave us common core, did nothing about illegal immigration, should have gotten the status of forces once he knew Obama was the president (but instead left it for Obama the Coward to cut & run) and gave us the moderate & weak-backed untested John Roberts as Chief Justice, instead of making the fully proven dyed-in-the-wool conservative Antonin Scalia.

    yet all of the prospective SCOTUS justices proposed by Trump all line up with Scalia. no rotten Kennedy or O’Conner apples.

    YET the fake conservatives want americans NOT to vote for Trump. Which allows the presidency to go to Clinton. Which is their quisling plan all along.

    I just dont care for the fake conservatives Cruz, Kasich, et al. They have done nothing to halt the leftward tilt of the nation into the “progressive” sewer.

    so yeah, compared to the fake conservatives & establishment family “conservatives” i.e. Romenys, McCains, & Bushes, I am willing to go with Trump. What do I have to lose? Since Reagan none of the Republican party presidents or candidates have done anything to halt liberalism or make the USA more conservative.

    all the other fakes have proven to be exactly that: “fakes.”

    Ace (20e1e6)

  218. Ace, why don’t you ban a few peeps that kick your Azz???

    GUS (30b6bd)

  219. @GUS

    I guess you like to drunk post too? cannot even tell what you mean.

    cheers

    Ace (20e1e6)

  220. It’s not that Ace. This “Ace” clown has been here before, during the primaries, under a couple or three different handles. Pouncer, Rouncer, Dancer, Prancer, something like that, I can’t remember.

    nk (dbc370)

  221. @nk

    so who do you think I am? I obviously got in your head. It seems you are the one with sand up on the brain as well as up the butt.

    you are worrying about who you are dealing with and you have no idea who you are dealing with.

    LOL

    hah…you’re once a coward, you’re always a coward.

    here my cowardly liberal traitor friend, try again for a 3rd time:

    …and Saint Pope Reagan the Great gave us O’Connor and Kennedy on the SCOTUS. Whatever Scalia did was positive the 2 of them scorched it all to the left. Two of the most radical & leftist justices we’ve EVER had/have.

    even Saint Pope Reagan the Great screwed up on abortion. Reagan was left with an “undefinable sense of guilt” after watching abortions skyrocket in California while he was governor due to the abortion bill he signed into law. Sure he felt bad for what he did and turned out to be a great champion of the unborn, but he still opened abortion pandora’s box and it hasn’t been shut by anyone since.

    go figure.

    yet the fake conservatives hold Trump’s feet to the fire for what? what exactly is their supposed standard? Bush? Bush the father raised taxes, brought us into Iraq. Bush the son? exploded spending (the only other president who is worse is Obama), gave us common core, did nothing about illegal immigration, should have gotten the status of forces once he knew Obama was the president (but instead left it for Obama the Coward to cut & run) and gave us the moderate & weak-backed untested John Roberts as Chief Justice, instead of making the fully proven dyed-in-the-wool conservative Antonin Scalia.

    yet all of the prospective SCOTUS justices proposed by Trump all line up with Scalia. no rotten Kennedy or O’Conner apples.

    YET the fake conservatives want americans NOT to vote for Trump. Which allows the presidency to go to Clinton. Which is their quisling plan all along.

    I just dont care for the fake conservatives Cruz, Kasich, et al. They have done nothing to halt the leftward tilt of the nation into the “progressive” sewer.

    so yeah, compared to the fake conservatives & establishment family “conservatives” i.e. Romenys, McCains, & Bushes, I am willing to go with Trump. What do I have to lose? Since Reagan none of the Republican party presidents or candidates have done anything to halt liberalism or make the USA more conservative.

    all the other fakes have proven to be exactly that: “fakes.”

    Ace (20e1e6)

  222. I think it was Blitzen

    steveg (5508fb)

  223. I can’t criticize too much because I’ve been “that guy” who drinks from the plastic jug… and then blesses you all with a post

    steveg (5508fb)

  224. I’m sorry ACE, I didn’t know there were to ACE’S. You’re a different clown!!
    Do you drink alot ACE?? You certainly went to the ALCOHOL accusation quickly!! Clown.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  225. it was too short a movie review to be the ewok, and it’s too decisive, he’s more splunge.

    narciso (732bc0)

  226. @ nk:

    Arguing on the internet is like playing chess with a pigeon.

    You may win your argument. Regardless, the pigeon is just going to sh*t all over the board and strut around like he won anyway.

    So why do we do it? 😀 I guess in my case, sometimes the answer is just, “Because I felt like it.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  227. Not blitzen, Beto.

    Colonel Haiku (167584)

  228. Presuming all the news you present from ZeroHedge is accurate, how will electing Trump help?

    Research the German economical miracle during the 1930s.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  229. Bannon is kicking the clinton bandwagon off the roadway and into the ditch. You malcontents better lube up for Americas Johnson.

    mg (31009b)

  230. Meanwhile:

    Poor foolish Mitch McConnell still pretends that there’s a really good reason, based on political comity, for the GOP Senate majority to continue to handcuff itself by letting the Dems filibuster anything on which the GOP can’t get 60 votes — meaning, everything the GOP cares about. The rationale, you see, is that the next time the GOP is in the Senate minority (like, say, January of next year), the GOP will be able to block the Democratic majority unless they can get some GOP votes to overcome conservative filibusters and get 60 votes for clotures.

    But today, Harry Reid, current and out-going Senate Minority Leader, has already announced that the filibuster is dead and that the next time the Dems have a majority, Reid’s successor Dems will simply nuke it by majority vote as they revise and re-approve the formal Rules of the Senate for the 115th Congress.

    This is something I’ve been predicting since 2014, here and elsewhere. But even Ted Cruz has supported McConnell on this. Senate Republicans are bound and determined to maintain their righteous belief that this time, when Charlie Brown runs up to kick the football, Lucy won’t pull it away.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  231. team republican is too old and too stupid to fight the good fight. Pathetic

    mg (31009b)

  232. Just another reason to be happy the republican party of traitors and liars is almost over.

    mg (31009b)

  233. No fight against the 1/2 breed president on giving the internet away. Republicans could probably suck a grapefruit through a garden hose.

    mg (31009b)

  234. This article nails it—on several fronts:

    “After Conservatism”
    by Samuel Goldman writing at The American Conservative

    For all his many faults, Donald Trump displays one great virtue as a presidential candidate: he is a remarkably effective dispeller of illusions. Early in the campaign, Trump dispelled the illusion that his rivals were the strongest field of candidates in the party’s history. As the frontrunner, he dispelled the illusion that “the party decides” on the nomination. As the presumptive nominee, he dispelled the illusion that candidates inevitably try to broaden their appeal beyond their core supporters. Who knows what illusions The Donald will dispel by November.

    Of all the illusions Trump has dispelled, however, none is more significant than the illusion of the conservative movement. Rather than being the dominant force in the Republican Party, conservatives, Trump revealed, are just another pressure group. And not an especially large one. [emphasis added] In state after state, voters indicated that they did not care much about conservative orthodoxy on the economy, foreign policy, or what used to be called family values.

    As the conservative movement approaches retirement age, finally, its rhetoric has become almost unintelligible to outsiders. Rather than making arguments addressed to normal people, conservative leaders invoke limited government almost fetishistically, as if the words themselves possessed the power to convince. Ted Cruz’s reputation as an orator rests on his mastery of this jargon. [emphasis added]

    Yep.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  235. he’s just a creepy sore loser anymore

    boy ain’t right in the head

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  236. he’s just a creepy sore loser anymore

    boy ain’t right in the head

    Ted Cruz or  . . .  ?

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  237. yes yes harvardtrash ted he’s twisted off

    peak harvardtrash ted you can’t even see in your rear view mirror anymore

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  238. Ah ha! I thought you meant certain of the local commentariat for a moment. 😉

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  239. nonono too early for that

    plus we’re on the very cusp of day of labor!

    i wonder how many people will get murdered to death in chicago this weekend

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  240. i wonder how many people will get murdered to death in chicago this weekend

    Fewer than will catch AIDS in San Francisco.

    nk (dbc370)

  241. australia says aids is no longer a public health issue and they should know cause of they’re australian

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  242. ‘My friends died,’ heckler shouts. ‘So did my son,’ Joe Biden shoots back

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  243. Not much of a particular demographic in Oz that is our “down low” population

    urbanleftbehind (194c53)

  244. Hf, if that happened recently, that jag who heckled Biden may have done more to derail Trump than any actual Democrat.

    urbanleftbehind (194c53)

  245. i do not follow

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  246. Might stir his competitive juices and find a larger quick-hook-for-Hillary constituency than expected.

    urbanleftbehind (194c53)

  247. If Mr. Goldman were more full of it, we wouldn’t need to import Russian guano. There are two forests that he ignores in favor of his trees:
    1. Hillary! If Hillary were to drop out, Tim Kaine would beat Trump in every state except possibly Idaho. Hillary will still beat him in forty.
    2. What Trump, himself, said.

    nk (dbc370)

  248. DCSCA wrote:

    The only solution to illegal immigration is to end welfare, period.

    A wall and a few watch towers work better. Ask Berliners, circa 1962 – 1989.

    Actually, the Communists were trying to prevent illegal emigration, something the wall and the watchtowers and guards and dogs did very well. Me, I’d like to see a lot of illegals emigrate!

    The historian Dana (f6a568)

  249. You guys had all the right in the world to b!tch, moan and complain during the primaries. Even to pointing out the “Buckley Rule” and being gung-ho conservative which I am too. However, once the dust settles and the Party has picked a candidate you rally behind that candidate. You don’t run around spouting off about how bad he is and how the enemy will win or how you’re not voting for him. At that point you stopped being conservatives, you stopped being Republicans and you became Hillary! enablers. Apparently Ace noticed.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  250. sometimes they forget who the plum lolly is

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  251. Plum lollies are for plum lolly suckers.

    nk (dbc370)

  252. Mercer needs to rethink his pay by the word strategy. TL;DR comments are counterproductive and obvious targeting mismatches indicate a dysfunctional algorithm.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  253. I love that you Trump guys are still bashing Cruz upthread. Trump supporters sure hate everything I believe in, huh?

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  254. At some point in the last 30 years the electorate moved from center-right to center-left.

    I think no conservative could win the 2016 election. And so the Republicans have nominated Trump, who is no conservative.

    So here is the question for conservatives: given that the electorate rejects conservatism, at least in Presidents, do you want a seat at the table to influence policy or not?

    The Donald might give you an 1/8th loaf, rather than the 1/4th you used to get from George W. Bush. But Hillary is going to take away 1/2 a loaf from you and distribute it to the progressives that will be given a seat at the table if she wins.

    We learned that with the first Clinton administration, and we learned it with Obama. The far-left gets a seat at the table. They get appointments to the powerful government position that no one has heard of. The far left will be auditing your non-profit application and approving your firearm background check, and setting the rules for them administratively. They’ll be president of your kids’ college when they go, they’ll be appointed to the blue-ribbon panel that determines your kids’ schools’ curriculum. They’ll be deciding when and how and if immigration and other laws are enforced, and throwing the book at Christian bakers and florist while declining to prosecute Muslim bakers and florists. This happens now.

    So, think about this. Even Republicans rejected Ted Cruz. So what is the next move now? Make your appeal even more selective? Leave the country? What?

    Or toil patiently through the institutions as the Left did, which means working with the people who actually can get elected.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  255. The Donald might take two loaves, Gabriel. Why do you assert he’s going to do anything I want him to do? He’s already not dropping out of the race, and I want him to do that. QED.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  256. sometimes he likes to make extra sammiches ahead of time for the road is all

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  257. @Dustin:The Donald might take two loaves, Gabriel.

    You have how many decades’ evidence on Hillary Clinton as to what she will do…

    You have now how much evidence on what the media will do for a Democrat president…

    You have how much evidence on how Democrats run the government, and how much of it is Democrats…

    But sure, you pick the path of increasingly selective appeal and see how it ends up serving your ideals.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  258. Gabriel,

    I’m curious as to whether President LePetomane would hinder any aspect of implementation of the Republican legislative platform. He doesn’t appear to possess the intelligence and/or skill, let alone the stamina, to do much more than play with shiny objects. He would probably be very satisfied to put his name on something every month. Ryan and McConnell should be able to get much more than 1/8 out of him without much effort at all.

    Rick Ballard (3ff5f2)

  259. @Rick Ballard:President LePetomane

    I’m saving President Dwayne Elizondo Herber Mountain Dew Camacho for President Kanye, who is the Jesus Christ to Trump’s John the Baptist.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  260. You can lead ’em to water, Gabriel… and all that…

    Or as Pointy Williams might say, “You can take the b*tch out the ghetto, but you just can’t take the b*tch out the ghetto!”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  261. 259.I love that you Trump guys are still bashing Cruz upthread. Trump supporters sure hate everything I believe in, huh?

    Trump supporters ended when the primaries ended now they are Republican voters in case you fail to recognize that. And these Republican voters hate everything Hillary! believes in, not you. Unfortunately, if you believe they hate what you believe in I suggest you must believe what Hillary! believes.

    You have allowed your vitriolic hate of Trump to morph you into a democrat and you just can’t accept it yet.

    Rev. Hoagie® (785e38)

  262. Or put yet another way…

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/242879/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  263. Can’t accept it yet, don’t recognize it yet, Hoagie. They’ve gone Australian on this. They’re being buggered by the Left and they won’t feel it until tomorrow.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  264. hah u got morfed

    happyfeet (e5234f)

  265. Samuel Goldman:

    Early in the campaign, Trump dispelled the illusion that his rivals were the strongest field of candidates in the party’s history.

    Who said anything like that? It was one of the biggest fields, but not a strong field. None of them knew how to argue with Donald Trump – and Ted Cruz didn’t want to.

    As the presumptive nominee, he dispelled the illusion that candidates inevitably try to broaden their appeal beyond their core supporters.

    No, he tried that, and certainly did after the nomination, but the trouble is, Trump doesn’t want to lose any supporters, no matter how on the fringe they are, or almost no matter.

    On Wednesday, he acted like the caricature of a politician, saying different things to different people.

    Sammy Finkelman (9570ad)

  266. @Sammy:On Wednesday, he acted like … a politician, saying different things to different people.

    FIFY

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  267. 272. No, like a caricature of a politician. An exaggeration.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  268. @ Hoagie (#267), who wrote:

    Trump supporters ended when the primaries ended now they are Republican voters in case you fail to recognize that. And these Republican voters hate everything Hillary! believes in, not you. Unfortunately, if you believe they hate what you believe in I suggest you must believe what Hillary! believes.

    This is the silliest thing I’ve ever seen you write. Your suggestion is just stupid, Hoagie, and you know I don’t believe in or support Hillary Clinton.

    You’re a nice guy. I wish you well with your health issues. But Trump is making you very soft-headed.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  269. Hoagie, nothing has “morphed” me to make me hate Trump. I’ve hated Trump since at least the mid-1980s, and by the early 1990s, when I was a partner in a NYC-based BigLaw firm that sometimes represented other major clients in his various blown deals and bankruptcies, I’ve had a very solid basis for evaluating him as a businessman. He stands for nothing except Trump — he has no ideology except narcissism, he has no values except the current inflation-quota of his ego. I feel exactly the same about him today as I did this time five years ago, or five months ago, or five weeks ago, or five days ago, or five minutes ago, because he hasn’t changed and can’t change and doesn’t want to change.

    Seriously, Hoagie, it’s distressing to see you become a Trumpkin shill. Vote for him if you want. But you’re gone full facilitator and true believer, as best I can tell. And your insults make me not like you very much at all anymore.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  270. I’ve met the Rev Hoagie®, personally, at a lunch in Hatboro; he also met Perry there. Hoagie is a great guy.

    He and I both live in Pennsylvania: he’ll vote for Donald Trump and I’ll vote for Gary Johnson, and neither of our votes will matter, because Hillary Clinton will carry the state, by a comfortable margin, and get all twenty of Pennsylvania’s electoral votes. Neither my vote for Mr Johnson nor Hoagie’s vote for Mr Trump will carry over to another state’s votes.

    There’s actually a (slight) possibility of a reverse of 2000, with Donald Trump winning the popular vote but Hillary Clinton winning in the electoral college. It worked in our favor in 2000; might not this time around.

    But the most important thing for the #NeverTrumpers is to not skip voting, to get to the polls and vote! Those ‘down-ballot’ races are hugely important.

    The friendly Dana (f6a568)

  271. You have how many decades’ evidence on Hillary Clinton as to what she will do…

    You have now how much evidence on what the media will do for a Democrat president…

    You have how much evidence on how Democrats run the government, and how much of it is Democrats…

    But sure, you pick the path of increasingly selective appeal and see how it ends up serving your ideals.

    Gabriel Hanna

    I actually have a few decades more evidence of Trump’s poor behavior and lefty politics. It’s just that he has this celebrity talisman of protection and if he shot a guy in the street his supporters would still say he’s the one they will vote for.

    Hillary and Trump are the same politically, but Trump is simply more dangerous to the nation. Country comes before party.

    Dustin (ba94b2)


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