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8/17/2016

That Time Trump’s New Campaign Executive Told Me to Go Fuck Myself

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:22 am



As noted below by Dana, Breitbart.com’s Steve Bannon has joined Trump’s campaign. The New York Times reports:

Donald J. Trump has shaken up his presidential campaign for the second time in two months, hiring a top executive from the conservative website Breitbart News and promoting a senior adviser in an effort to right his faltering campaign.

Stephen Bannon, the executive chairman of Breitbart News LLC, will become the Republican campaign’s chief executive, and Kellyanne Conway, a senior adviser and pollster for Mr. Trump and his running mate, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, will become the campaign manager.

Steve Bannon is . . . not a fan of mine, as you are about to learn. I have never fully told this story publicly, but now seems like a good time.

Back in 2012, Breitbart.com ran a post designed to embarrass Bono from U2. The centerpiece of the post was a video in which ambush artist Jason Mattera confronted “Bono” with some questions about his financial dealings. “Bono” not only denied having anything to do with his own businesses, but even denied being the singer for U2!

Fun story. Just one problem: as Mattera later admitted, he had actually confronted a Bono impersonator, mistakenly thinking it was Bono.

Once it became obvious that the post was garbage, Breitbart.com took it down, with no explanatory note. New York Magazine later asked editor Joel Pollak about it, and Pollak said he could “neither confirm nor deny” that the post had been taken down due to a case of mistaken identity.

I wrote a post criticizing Breitbart.com’s lack of forthrightness in acknowledging their error. As I said:

Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone. But people carefully watch how you handle mistakes.

The right way to do it is to quickly, forthrightly, and thoroughly admit error — to move to correct the error, apologize, and explain how it happened.

The wrong way is to pretend it never happened, and to lawyer it up.

. . . .

I’ve met and spoken with Joel Pollak, and he seems like a smart man, and I’m sure he has the best interests of Breitbart.com at heart. But this is not how you handle it when you make a mistake. You gotta say: hey, we screwed up. At matters stand now, the biggest mistake in this affair was made, not by Mattera or his editor, but by Pollak.

My criticism did not go over well with Steve Bannon, the executive chairman at Breitbart News. The next day, a Breitbart staffer told me this in a Google chat:

I was told by Bannon — with Larry listening — to tell you, from them
Fuck you, go fuck yourself — you’re the enemy and a backstabber
And you’re dead to them
that’s a quote — and I was told to go tell you

(“Larry” is Larry Solov, the co-founder of Breitbart.com.)

So, to sum up, when Breitbart.com made an error, they first tried to pretend it hadn’t happened. Then, when called on it by an honest critic, Steve Bannon declared that critic the “enemy” and told him to go fuck himself.

He’s perfect for Donald Trump.

UPDATE: Larry O’Connor has some good questions about how long Bannon has been talking to Trump, and how those conversations might have influenced coverage of Trump at Breitbart.com. Apparently Bannon had been talking to Trump for months, advising him about how to run his campaign, even as Bannon headed a “news” site that covered Trump regularly. O’Connor says Andrew Breitbart was against such incestuous relationships between media and politicians, and that Breitbart.com has a lot of explaining to do. It’s hard to disagree.

278 Responses to “That Time Trump’s New Campaign Executive Told Me to Go Fuck Myself”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  2. Bono’s so elusive he’s like a slippery lil fish

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  3. UPDATE: Larry O’Connor has some good questions about how long Bannon has been talking to Trump, and how those conversations might have influenced coverage of Trump at Breitbart.com. Apparently Bannon had been talking to Trump for months, advising him about how to run his campaign, even as Bannon headed a “news” site that covered Trump regularly. O’Connor says Andrew Breitbart was against such incestuous relationships between media and politicians, and that Breitbart.com has a lot of explaining to do. It’s hard to disagree.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  4. i still can’t believe he dropped the f bomb on you

    what a pooper

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  5. Bannon and Trump are made for each other. Both are dishonest and when you call them on it, they become vile, vulgar, and hateful. Perfect.

    I will never vote for Donald Trump. Ever. And I haven’t been over at Trumpbart in about 2 years. Don’t plan on going back, either.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  6. So what, it turns out every major outlet was in bed with red queen, asking approval while she ran a simulacrum of a campaign, they have minimized every scandal she has had on four continents.

    narciso (732bc0)

  7. > you’re the enemy and a backstabber

    This says a lot about the worldview on both the far left and the far right.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  8. Ben Shapiro on the radio echoed Patterico and had issues with the Trump coverage at Breitbart.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  9. God, I miss Andrew Breitbart.

    Bru (839505)

  10. Mr. Trump’s a tall stack of flapjacks on a brisk sunday morning in early fall. Step out on the porch and downward drifts the plaintiff honks of the candandian geese birds as they wing their way to sunnier climes.

    The future is clouded in darkness.

    Let Mr. Trump light the way.

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  11. Breitbart-in-name-only.

    BTW, a top executive at a popular local business took my order for two egg McMuffins this morning. The middle executives were busy with other customers.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. Biden Ryan 2016

    mg (af411c)

  13. Oh, this is TOO good. I was just reading Bannon’s bio. Now I have a question for happyfeet. Is the phrase “goldy sacky” still perjorative (Note, I assume your silly baby talk is just some weird performance, but in case I’m wrong, “perjorative” means insulting, or what Trumpkins might call a Sick Burn!)? Or, are you now going to tell us that there is really nothing wrong with Goldman Sachs (you might also try to convince us that Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia).

    JJ (32dd4e)

  14. Ah, c’mon. The DNC owns –owns!– and co-ordinates with every single major newspaper and TV news outlet, plus the soft power of Hollywood, and you want to yelp in pain that Trump cozies up to a website?

    I’m gonna be interested listening to you squeal in agony and rage under the lash of Hitlery. Forever, essentially, because if she wins it’s game, set, match, and there will never be Republican political dominance ever again. Ever. Of course, since we have a UniParty system, there’s very little point to Outer Party dominance, except sometimes they keep the mask on. With Hitlery, you are going to be staring into the direct sulphurous face of Lucifer himself.

    Enjoy. It’s what you wanted.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  15. Cheetoh McEgo: “Say, happy, good to see you.”

    Happyfeet: “I am glad to see you, Mr. Donald, like I am glad to see nicely sliced kiwi on my plate at breakfast.”

    Cheetoh McEgo: “But I have a question for you, happy.”

    Happyfeet: “What is it, Mr. Donald? Is it about making America great again, and keeping sleazypants out of the Oval?”

    Cheetoh McEgo: “Indeed it is, happy. I will not only need the very best votes, but votes like yours. People who believe in what I want to do, and help me on that journey.”

    Happyfeet: “Mr. sir Donald, it pains me like a papercut to tell you I won’t vote again.”

    Cheetoh McEgo: “But why, happy? You say I am the only choice, and support me relentlessly. You even remind people of the consequences of not voting for me…but you aren’t going to vote?”

    Happyfeet: “Mr. Donald sir, I don’t want to be on a jury. Also, I would rather spend the time it would take to register to vote and to vote making waffles with blueberries.”

    Cheetoh McEgo: “You hurt me, happy. It’s like you say that you support me, but don’t really mean it. It’s like you saw that horrible things will happen if you know who is elected, but you don’t believe that either. I’m so disappointed in your.”

    Happyfeet: “Sorry to hear that Mr. sir Donald.”

    Cheetoh McEgo: “It’s like all of your posts are just some kind of joke to you, and you don’t really believe in freedom and elections.”

    Happyfeet: “A pikachu has to do what a pikachu has to do, Mr. sir Donald.”

    trumpyfeet (ba9f7c)

  16. The Wall Street Journal front page story also says that Steve Bannon is a former banker with Goldman Sachs (the notoriously pro-Clinton company, going back to when it endorsed Bill Clinton’s economic plan in 1992. Of course there have been a lot of power struggles within it, and many people pushed out in the course of time.)

    I don’t think Donald Trump is trying to lose, (everyone would prefer winning) but the same thing cannot necessarily be said of all people working in his campaign, who also have their own future careers to look after. Trump recruited Bannon, but who told Trump about Bannon?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  17. Yes bannon worked for goldman, when he got out of the navy, then opened up his own boutique firm and went into film production

    narciso (732bc0)

  18. I said after the convention that the race was Trump’s to lose, and it appears he is doing just that.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  19. Someone posted a picture of Bannon on Twitter last night where he looked like Russell Crowe playing old and confused John Nash in A Beautiful Mind.

    JVW (bd0723)

  20. Does anything happen out of your petty slights, take a look at the world it’s a horror and too many seem fine with it.

    narciso (732bc0)

  21. One is known by his enemies pretty much as one is known by one’s friends.

    Good stuff, Pat.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  22. Dear Patterico

    I want to thank you so much for your small but marginally important impact. Every time you dissuade a Trump voter from going to the polls, you help me take another step toward victory. Keep up the good work!

    Signed — Hillary Clinton

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  23. “It’s a pity they can’t both lose.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  24. Dear Patterico:

    Thank you so much for your small but incrementally important impact. Every time you dissuade a Trump voter from going to the polls, you reduce global pollution. Keep up the good work!

    Signed,

    Humanity

    nk (dbc370)

  25. the plaintiff honks of the candandian geese birds

    Whom are they suing? And are they using the unconstitutional Migratory Bird Treaty Act? (Missouri v Holland‘s justification rests entirely on a silly mistake made by a youthful Louis Henkin in reading the notes of the Philadelphia convention.)

    as they wing their way to sunnier climes.

    Except that they don’t, any more. As you’ve surely noticed in your new home, they stopped migrating about 30-40 years ago, which is something like 300 in goose years, so by now they’ve probably forgotten even how to.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  26. Bono – or someone who looked just like him – was in Nice during the terror attack on Bastille Day. Just makes you wonder, doesn’t it? I think I’ll write an article . . .

    ThOR (c9324e)

  27. i knew they were litigious little geese birds

    but i didn’t know they were goddamn lazy

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  28. Happyfeet: “I am glad to see you, Mr. Donald, like I am glad to see nicely sliced kiwi on my plate at breakfast.”

    <gasps in shock> You eat threatened birds for breakfast?! After all your concern about those filthy Canadian geese?! For shame, mr feets. Is it because they’re foreign, and therefore are unworthy of protection?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  29. do they even make kiwi birds anymore

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  30. but i didn’t know they were goddamn lazy

    Didn’t you notice that they were still there in the dead of winter, mooching on what humans with more breadcrumbs than sense provided them?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  31. do they even make kiwi birds anymore

    That one sliced on your breakfast plate was probably the last one. I hope it was delicious.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  32. i did not notice about the geese birds

    i swear sometimes i hear them flipper flappering in the sky, but maybe i’m just remembering that from when i was little

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  33. BTW a kiwi is a bird, not a fruit. The fruit, which was universally known as the Chinese gooseberry until the NZ marketers decided to change its name so it would sound like it belonged to them, is now known as the kiwifruit.

    Except by those of us who still call it Chinese gooseberry because we see no reason to follow the fashions every time someone decides to rename some thing or place. I will not stop saying Bombay or Madras, or Peking, or even the Interboro and the Triboro. And I will not give up the Chinese gooseberry.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  34. Feet, have you ever heard of a new thing called poke? I just got an ad for a new restaurant called Koshe Poke, which claims to offer “Hawaiian style sushi”, which I’d never heard of before so I googled it and apparently it’s the new thing.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  35. Who should I turn to now for my Michelle Fields plagiarism updates?

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  36. Kiwi is also the term for New Zealander, and the Polynesians are known to have a taste for “long pig”. Trump’s chef is not a Maori by any chance, is he?

    nk (dbc370)

  37. 9.God, I miss Andrew Breitbart.
    Bru (839505) — 8/17/2016 @ 8:03 am

    Apparently, so does Breitbart.com.

    I don’t mind website shilling for their choices. We all do, whether in comments or as a website. What I have no patience for is the sites that demolish the in-party contestants so their favorite has an easier path. That destroys the career chances of the other candidates in the long run, and damages the party’s depth and therefore the future.

    I won’t go to Drudge Report anymore. Not because he supported Trump, but because of the ridiculously damaging headlines he used to damage Cruz and the other candidates. That’s beyond petty – Ted will be damaged by those headlines and stupid nickname for election cycles to come. And people wonder why he refused to support Trump and his enablers. I can’t stop visiting Breitbart – I’ve never been there (they tell me it’s nice – sorry, couldn’t resist), but that’s the kind of shenanigans I will not provide website hits to.

    The only support I have for Trump is the not-Hillary vote. It’s a binary selection – the winner will be one of those two. I trust that should Donald win, he will be the most closely observed president in modern history. The media will be after him (they will have re-discovered journalism at that point), the Republican rank and file in congress will be after him, and the Democrats will be after him. He wouldn’t be able to draw breath without being questioned about his need for oxygen.

    If Hillary wins *crickets* about what she is doing in office. I fear the crickets more than I do the Trump microscope. I also fear that Trump, having secured the nomination, is preparing for his next event – the election throw. But that’s another topic.

    Advo (322ad6)

  38. Everyone makes mistakes. Everyone. But people carefully watch how you handle mistakes.

    The right way to do it is to quickly, forthrightly, and thoroughly admit error — to move to correct the error, apologize, and explain how it happened.

    The wrong way is to pretend it never happened, and to lawyer it up.

    “Obama is a good man.”

    When are you going to walk that one back?

    champ (56cd04)

  39. yes yes we did poke bowls a lot in LA – they been around awhile but now they’re moving eastwards

    here in Chicago they’re kind of new and the lines make grabbing them for lunch kinda challenging – but places where you can get them are popping up fast

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  40. You told me to go f myself to death a couple of months ago and I assume I’m not the only who’s been attacked by you like that so am I supposed to shed a tear for you because some mean man hurt your feelings?

    Jcurtis (8d990d)

  41. Jcurtis, perhaps you should research whether Bannon is Canadian born.

    SPQR (5c592f)

  42. I see that our esteemed host has set a trap. :)

    My criticism did not go over well with Steve Bannon, the executive chairman at Breitbart News. The next day, a Breitbart staffer told me this in a Google chat:

    I was told by Bannon — with Larry listening — to tell you, from them
    Fuck you, go fuck yourself — you’re the enemy and a backstabber
    And you’re dead to them
    that’s a quote — and I was told to go tell you

    One must assume, given that our host gave us a direct quote, that he screen captured or otherwise saved the exchange. When it is denied by Messrs Bannon and Solov, our host will then produce the screen cap. Since Messrs Bannon and Solov will be too f(ornicating) lazy to read through the comments, they’ll never even see the warning that the trap was set.

    The soon to be amused Dana (f6a568)

  43. Our host quoted:

    I was told by Bannon — with Larry listening — to tell you, from them
    Fuck you, go fuck yourself — you’re the enemy and a backstabber
    And you’re dead to them
    that’s a quote — and I was told to go tell you

    Somehow, I’m betting that our host has heard worse, and escaped this conversation with his feelings unhurt.

    The wryly amused Dana (f6a568)

  44. No, you’re supposed to assess Bannon’s credibility in the light of this anecdote showing his fundamental dishonesty, and the attitude he takes to those who point it out.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  45. Why would I care where he’s born, spqr? By the way, the exact quote was: “go fuck yourself. Make it painful”, so it wasn’t quite as bad as I thought. That was the tables turned someone suing Lewandowski thread after I pointed out that Patterico seemed excited and supportive about a nuisance lawsuit

    Jcurtis (8d990d)

  46. Hey, someone told me the news site “The Blaze” was pro-Cruz and deeply affiliated with the natural born Canadian candidate. So if Cruz had won the primary and hired some people from The Blaze to join his campaign, it would have been a terrible horrible thing! Am I right?

    Jcurtis (8d990d)

  47. God, I miss Andrew Breitbart.

    Bru (839505) — 8/17/2016 @ 8:03 am
    =================================

    I miss AB, but I miss the United States of America even more. I had grown so fond of her…

    Colonel Haiku (9be3ce)

  48. U2… Sweet Baby Jesus, I hate that band!!!

    Colonel Haiku (9be3ce)

  49. That time Barack Obama’s minister told America to go f*ck itself!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  50. The future is clouded in darkness.

    Let Mr. Trump light the way.

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/17/2016 @ 8:04 am

    yes yes!

    he will indeed light the way!

    i’m so excited how he will light the way

    he will lead us – with LIGHT – right over a cliff!

    it’ll be so great as we fall

    oh and i love bannon the Man helping the Don

    he’s the type of goldy sack we need

    he’ll make sure only the right goldy sackies get their money

    not that woman, but only the men

    making goldy great again

    sadfeet (ddead1)

  51. all of Mr. Trump’s sackies are reformed ones who’ve repented of their sinful sacky ways

    and i say hallelujah!

    people can change you know

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  52. Dumpster fires put out a lot of light!

    SPQR (2ba2b2)

  53. I’m in love with teh land that I’m talking about
    I’m in love with teh land that I can’t live without
    I’m in love, but I sure picked a bad time
    To be in love
    A bad time
    To be in love

    Colonel Haiku (9be3ce)

  54. nk (dbc370) — 8/17/2016 @ 10:01 am

    the Polynesians are known to have a taste for “long pig”.

    That was New Guinea, and it was actually a new phenomenon in the Twentieth Century, and they came down with a version of mad cow disease.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  55. @37 Advo

    Glenn Beck and Rafael Cruz said that Ted was annointed by God. Drudge’s headlines and links reflected that.

    I suppose that he did to Ted what the DNC did to Bernie, but were any of the stories relating to religion(or lack therof) inaccurate?

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  56. More mad cowbell.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  57. all of Mr. Trump’s sackies are reformed ones who’ve repented of their sinful sacky ways

    and i say hallelujah!

    people can change you know

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 8/17/2016 @ 12:32 pm

    yes yes

    our word is clear they can repent

    conveniently only ones who joined trump have repented

    they’d never lie and be who they are!

    making double standards great again

    sadfeet (ddead1)

  58. “ANJEM CHOUDARY VERDICT: YOUTUBE AND TWITTER REFUSED TO DELETE RADICAL PREACHER’S EXTREMIST POSTS, COURT HEARS.

    To the best of my knowledge, Choudary expressed no negative concerns regarding the new Ghostbusters remake, which may explain why Twitter was so willing to give him a pass.”

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/241537/

    If ANY of you are still on Twitter, just WTF is the matter with you!?!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (9be3ce)

  59. yeah i don’t get that either

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  60. Mr happyfeet,

    I sure hope that you will preempt making waffles topped with blueberries in order to go vote in early November.
    Sliced kiwi fruit on your breakfast plate is great, but let’s focus on Making America Great Again before we focus on Making Breakfast Great Again, whaddya say?!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  61. You know, if Trump should lose, there will one obvious thing to blame:

    Not enough people wanted to vote for him.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  62. I miss AB, but I miss the United States of America even more. I had grown so fond of her…

    Neither Hillary nor Trump is even inte3rested in putter her back together. They simply want to pick over the bones differently.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  63. *putting

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  64. Finkelman, yeah that’s the Kuru. The final stage of the disease is characterized by inappropriate fits of laughter and the afflicted cannot sit without being propped up. I’m not even joking.

    Jcurtis (8d990d)

  65. i’ll think on it a little

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  66. Mr happyfeet,

    Just think about how wonderful waffles will taste knowing that stinkypig isn’t occupying the Oval Office.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  67. yeah but i live in deep blue chicago

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  68. Refusing to support the republican nominee because he is a social conservative populist and hoping he will lose will get you what you deserve. Social conservative populists are half of the republican party and the only part that is growing in numbers. neo-con artists, movement conservatives, ayn randists and the wealthy corporatists have bought the presidential nomination in the past ;but no more. Populists and trump will be around after the election to make sure that the party is pro populist.

    populism now (0cf599)

  69. “I was told by Bannon — with Larry listening — to tell you, from them
    F–k you, go f–k yourself…”

    Very Dick Cheney of him, eh. Did he at least buy you dinner before you got ‘Leahy-ed’?

    Yeah. Sounds like he’s perfect for Trump— and good at hailing a cab at Madison and 54th in a rainstorm.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  70. Trump is a social conservative populist? That’s the funniest line today.

    But the reality is that I wouldn’t vote for Huckabee either.

    SPQR (5c592f)

  71. @ #37- your unwillingness to step outside your comfort zone by checking out pro Trump sites is why you and those like you think Trump isn’t going to win and why people that do view those sites aren’t disheartened by your fortune telling.

    For example, check out a few stories from Gateway Pundit:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/numbers-nevertrump-websites-see-huuge-decline-influence-traffic-2016/

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/dems-crisis-la-times-poll-shows-trump-surging-african-americans/

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/37000-watch-donald-trump-online-wisconsin-hillary-cant-fill-high-school-gym-philly/

    Trump IS going to win, then you’ll be in the unfortunate position of hoping he doesn’t make America great again, so you can at least be right about that.

    Pride goes before the fall, as they say.

    LBascom (66034d)

  72. he’s gonna beat that pig so good

    and he’s gonna earn the thanks of a grateful nation

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  73. LBascom, Jim Hoft? Oh, wow, you _so_ win the credibility contest there …. 😂

    SPQR (2ba2b2)

  74. you would think the looter of lagos, and nasrallah patron would get more attention,

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/11/five-devastating-facts-about-hillary-clintons-foreign-funder-gilbert-chagoury/

    narciso (732bc0)

  75. Well SPQR, feel free to show where they have their facts wrong.

    I won’t hold my breath if you don’t mind…

    LBascom (66034d)

  76. I concur with #22 from PTS (ce7fc3) — 8/17/2016 @ 8:42 am

    YOU now have 2 choices in this upcoming 2016 presidential election. Trump or HiLIARy?

    But if you want YOUR Liberty, there is only 1 choice – and that is Trump.

    Trump has built things. What has HilLIARy ever built?

    See – http://www.infowars.com/this-is-how-we-fight-for-america/ . GLZ.

    Gary L. Zerman (ab669e)

  77. who explicitly welcome the racketeers of somelives, the ones who gun down law enforcement, and who is on the other side of the ledger,

    narciso (732bc0)

  78. Trump is not a Social Conservative.
    Neo-Nazi Skinheads are not Social Conservatives.
    Trump has no desire to allow the population to have any more Liberty than necessary. The less Liberty for the little people the better, as far as Eminent Domain Trump is concerned. Hey, little old lady, get out of the house you owned and lived in for the last 90 years. I own it now and I’m bulldozing it so I can park my limousine.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  79. Trump has built things. What has HilLIARy ever built?

    A trail of lies, corruption and dead bodies. You need harder questions.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  80. I should just sit back and break out the popcorn, but I can’t resist…

    Trump bragged about being so rich he couldn’t influenced by money, but now it looks like he sold his campaign to the highest bidder:

    ‘The Mercers basically own this campaign’

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/291772-billionaire-father-and-daughter-linked-to-trump-shakeup

    Tillman (a95660)

  81. Trump also has a trail of lies, corruption, and dead businesses, many dead businesses formerly belonging to middle class individuals.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  82. *couldn’t be influenced

    Tillman (a95660)

  83. if not for breitbart, would we know that the administration shut down haney’s investigation of the tabligh network, which was why that sham with the iphones was just that,

    narciso (732bc0)

  84. the mercer’s and cambridge analytica, captained the brexit campaign, so those are good indicators,

    narciso (732bc0)

  85. looks like some dorner wannabes

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/290132-two-armed-black-men-dressed-in-tactical-gear-arrested-after-pursuit-in-los-angeles/

    how did that name go down the memory hole.

    narciso (732bc0)


  86. Refusing to support the republican nominee because he is a social conservative populist and hoping he will lose will get you what you deserve.

    No, it will get you what YOU deserve. I’m screwed either way, so I’d just as soon make sure the Trumpies who fukked everything up get what’s coming to them.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  87. Gary L. Zerman (ab669e) — 8/17/2016 @ 2:35 pm

    Never trust content from Infowars.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  88. Did some delusional clown say Trump is a social conservative?

    nk (dbc370)

  89. yet cnn deliberately edited the threats of a family member of a milwaukee thug, in order to make it appear like a peace offering,

    narciso (732bc0)

  90. Dear Patterico

    Hillary would NEVER tell you to go fuck yourself!
    She is so happy you’re coming over to her side.
    She thinks you’ll love her Supreme Court picks.

    She thinks a nice gesture would be to appoint FBI Director Comey.
    His respect for the Rule of Law is only second to hers, and his alignment with the new
    reality should be rewarded.

    Thanks again for helping her!

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  91. the Polynesians are known to have a taste for “long pig”.

    That was New Guinea, and it was actually a new phenomenon in the Twentieth Century, and they came down with a version of mad cow disease.

    No, it wasn’t. It was all Polynesians, including Maori, and they’d been doing it for centuries. Not millennia, because they weren’t there for millennia, but their ancestors probably ate long pig too, wherever it was they came from.

    New Guineans, who are Melanesian, not Polynesian, were also cannibals since time immemorial, and there’s no record of how long kuru had existed there. Just because both they and their disease were discovered in the 20th century doesn’t mean they came into existence right then, and nor did their diets and diseases.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  92. But the reality is that I wouldn’t vote for Huckabee either.

    I think if I were in a swing state, and the alternative was Clinton, I’d force myself to vote for Huckabee. I think.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  93. For example, check out a few stories from Gateway Pundit:

    Why would any sane person want to do that? Jim Hoft is a liar, so what value could one get from seeing what lies he’s telling today? Any story that’s actually true will be reported by credible sources. If it isn’t, then that’s strong evidence that it isn’t true.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  94. Gary L. Zerman

    Wow. First Gateway Pundit and then straight to Infowars. Can Stormfront be far behind? Mr Zerman, what I just wrote about Gateway Pundit goes triple for Infowars. Any story that’s true will be reported by a credible source. If the only source for a story is Infowars, that is proof positive that it’s a lie, and therefore not worth reading.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  95. and the odds that a times, dog trainer or bezos story is actually true, and not edited or omitted in anyway is what exactly,

    narciso (732bc0)

  96. Jonny usually had his azz saved by Bannon. Now D. Johnny trumps him with his own Bannon to the rescue.

    Ever the Quest. Cartoons, cartoons… cartoons, all.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  97. Hillary found her Luca Brazzi Biden.

    nk (dbc370)

  98. Love the new hires. Kellyanne and Bannon should make the no trumpers useless as teats on a boar.

    mg (af411c)

  99. a nun boar

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  100. more like a puyallup, nonsensical creature from dr. doolittle,

    narciso (732bc0)

  101. Why would I care where he’s born, spqr? By the way, the exact quote was: “go fuck yourself. Make it painful”, so it wasn’t quite as bad as I thought. That was the tables turned someone suing Lewandowski thread after I pointed out that Patterico seemed excited and supportive about a nuisance lawsuit

    jcurtis:

    See if you can figure out why I might get pissed off when someone suggests (baselessly) that I support nuisance lawsuits.

    Think about it, really hard, and report back.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  102. Did Breitbart pretend it never happened? Here’s a link that suggests they did not pretend it never happened:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120424214116/http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/03/21/Editors-Note

    “EDITORS’ NOTE

    “by JOEL B. POLLAK

    “Last night, we removed an article about Bono at the request of the videographer who had provided the links to the videos upon which the article had been based.”

    Andrew (b12b60)

  103. Don’t pretend this comment of mine never happened!

    😜

    Andrew (b12b60)

  104. it would appear that were the case, honestly you don’t want to admit you were taken in by a bono impersonator, oh the huge manatee@ from an Ahia friend,

    narciso (732bc0)

  105. Love the new hires. Kellyanne and Bannon should make the no trumpers useless as teats on a boar.

    Snicker. I brag about all the great bargains I find at Goodwill and Dollar Tree, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  106. art o da deal

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  107. Fack is, silk panties want clean bottoms. Trump is bargain basement so he gets bargain basement people.

    nk (dbc370)

  108. Trump is bargain basement so he gets bargain basement people.

    that’s quintessentially failmerican

    cf obamarobertscare

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  109. like steve schmidt, how about mike murphy, he specializes in high end kamikazi exercises,

    narciso (732bc0)

  110. Yes, it’s true of Obama too.

    nk (dbc370)

  111. he hired bennett and tyler on a provisional basis, and we see how that worked out,

    narciso (732bc0)

  112. Speaking of bargain basement, AliExpress (retail Alibaba) now has a U.S. presence and you can order shoddy Chinese goods directly from them, using an anonymous gift card, if the flea market re-sellers have turned you off of eBay.

    nk (dbc370)

  113. of course, you can be robert shrum, who’s record is 0-6

    https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/765576348924608512

    narciso (732bc0)

  114. I brag about all the great bargains I find at Goodwill and Dollar Tree, too.

    Hey, I got a classic 50’s Osterizer at Good will once. Another time I got some Fantastic Fours in the 30s. Don’t knock Goodwill. People throw out the strangest things.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  115. “People throw out the strangest things.”
    That’s just like when my sister said “That don’t taste too hot cold.”

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  116. I DO NOT knock Goodwill. I got a brand new Land’s End jacket, and a brand new Nordstrom shirt of that very fine twill weave, each retailing for about $80.00, for $5.00 each, in one visit one time.

    nk (dbc370)

  117. It’s not only castoffs. Businesses will clear dead, or slightly blemished, inventory because they can claim the retail price of the item as a charitable contribution.

    nk (dbc370)

  118. I am pretty sure Rico is told so more often than most of his readers.

    http://www.infowars.com/dr-drew-gravely-concerned-about-hillary-clintons-health/

    In order that I may be reunited with my daughter I am voluntarily jumping thru a gauntlet of psychotherapists and their tests made all the worse because they are deathly afraid of lawyers and courts.

    I guess Hill really doesn’t give a rip about America.

    DNF (ffe548)

  119. Canadian geese still migrate. They squabble with the ducks on my street twice a year as they travel between Canada and whatever place it is they spend the winter.

    kishnevi (d097a6)

  120. 111. Ah, but not all the bargain basement pipples, some are holding out for a sh!ttier deal.

    DNF (ffe548)

  121. Goodwill and Salvation Army often have some really good finds.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  122. #nevertrump may be backing a terminally diseased biatch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-democrats-idUSKCN10T01G

    DNF (ffe548)

  123. #nevertrump may be backing a terminally diseased biatch:

    That’s the very best reason to “back” either Hillary or Trump: “He/she won’t be there for long.”

    nk (dbc370)

  124. luca brasi, might be pressed into service,

    narciso (732bc0)

  125. I’m sure the purge will much more relaxed after the election,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/290201-air-force-officer-faces-investigation-over-bible-on-his-desk/

    narciso (732bc0)

  126. 128. So Woodrow Wilson suffered a massive stroke in 1919 but hung on until death in 1924.

    Small comfort Hill cannot perform duties they’ll just drag Granny Rotten around for cameos until 2024.

    Chiraq will be a carbonized coprolite by then.

    DNF (755a85)

  127. she reminds of john gill in ‘patterns of force’ who holds the strings?

    narciso (732bc0)

  128. LBascom, friends of mine blogged for Hoft when he was at death’s door to keep his blog productive. People he trashes now. You are a clown.

    SPQR (18e87f)

  129. 86: If that’s how they want to roll, how about a Greenlight for Papers Act? The one market in the US where African Americans can be honorary whites – the Brown early release and the Dorner moves ugh.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  130. We have the 25th Amendment now.

    Anyhoo, I want to see the chart from the examining physicians and you should too. Journalism is a fiction genre.

    nk (dbc370)

  131. Patterico, why is it hard for you to admit that you were ecstatic about a nuisance lawsuit agaisnt someone you despise? Does it call in judgment your legalistic credibility? Not so strict adherence? Bad temperament?

    jcurtis (1ed21a)

  132. Hillary’s been telling the rule of law to go f&ck itself.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  133. #122, DNF: Again, infowars?! What is with you people? How can you imagine anyone sane is going topay any attention to you when you cite that sewer as if it had relevant information?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  134. Canadian geese still migrate.

    Not around the Great Lakes they don’t. Why should they? They’ve got it made right there.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  135. well it’s dr. drew, which means hln I think, but if twit john oliver who tangled with a chechen warlord, is worthy source material,

    narciso (732bc0)

  136. whenever possible I look at the source material, but it turns out they were right about the milwaukee whitewash,

    narciso (732bc0)

  137. 139. Look at the article, its direct quotes of the physician who’s show is syndicated.

    What is with you people is you want thinking to be done for you, that’s why you hide out beating your meat with fellow self-abusers.

    Attack the substance fool, don’t drag out your dead cat dismissal seeking to absolve yourself of mediocrity. You cannot think, therefore you dismiss out of hand.

    DNF (755a85)

  138. The other thing is, the Trumpkins’ record of accusing Trump opponents of the things that are wrong with Trump. To me, this is more of an indication that Trump is demented, as I have been saying all along, than that Hillary is.

    The way Trump is a liar and not Cruz; the way Trump is an adulterer and not Cruz; for a couple of examples.

    nk (dbc370)

  139. You know who had a syndicated show? Bozo the clown.

    nk (dbc370)

  140. 136. I like you, was married at one point to someone who might have produced an informed opinion given Granny’s chart.

    Despite a major in Biology and Medical Coding cert, I’d really rather have a trusted internist’s summary of ‘the chart’.

    DNF (755a85)

  141. 145. And this is my point, you continue to run from actually dealing with conflict in some positive disposition allowing resolution. Instead you will only accept enmity and strife.

    Well you will be rewarded.

    DNF (755a85)

  142. You know who was a doctor? Kermit Gosnell. Jack Kevorkian too.

    nk (dbc370)

  143. Well, that’s what it’s all about. I refuse to compromise with the New York huckster or the suckers who follow him.

    nk (dbc370)

  144. you know what’s funny is when al ghuardian shows more balance,

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/17/stephen-bannon-donald-trump-campaign-chief-breitbart

    so ben howe is an arbiter of ethics, when he posted a photoshopped pic of the huntress three years, making her look how does pikachu put it, a hoochie, and the apology was unsatisfactory,
    you can add the daily caller who took the national enquirer’s lead and slandered her as well,
    with no apologies except from jim treacher, among the contributors, a standup guy whose opinion I defer on,

    narciso (732bc0)

  145. 149. Ah, but why claim narciso or I follow Trump, when all we are imploring is that those who think God has spoiled the lives in the least little way be restored to their senses.

    “All things work to the good for those who love Him.”

    Plainly God is sovereign and can use your antithesis to be a blessing. Tell us pray how you see that working out with HRC on life support in the Lincoln Room?

    DNF (755a85)

  146. I’m sure the purge will much more relaxed after the election,

    What you’re not hearing is that Colorado Springs has had a serious problem of aggressive Christian proselytizing. Now if this colonel keeps a bible on his desk for his own use, that’s one thing. But if its presence there when he meets with subordinates conveys a message to them that they will do better if they adopt his religion then it’s very much not OK. Perhaps an acceptable resolution might be that whenever he has a meeting with a subordinate he should put it in a drawer.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  147. and the mff is the way they have found to try to silence christians, it’s run by all sorts of upstanding folks like borderline 9-11 denialists and fmr powell chief of staff wilkerson,

    narciso (732bc0)

  148. 150. Replacing Manafort was a good move in itself.

    DNF (ffe548)

  149. 152. Freedom from microagression, yeah, that’s in the Bill of Rights.

    DNF (ffe548)

  150. Manafort had his place, but some of his extracurriculars from a while back brought some unneeded baggage, remember when lewandowski was the subject of the two minute hate,

    narciso (732bc0)

  151. until schweitzer went through the tax filings of the guistra affiliated foundations, ironically named fernwood, perhaps in homage to martin short, he couldn’t tell where
    the scam originated with the uranium,

    narciso (732bc0)

  152. 156. I do remember the hue and cry over the attack on Michelle Fields maintained by this august forum.

    Sublimating CO2 and mirrors and blatant skank lust.

    DNF (ffe548)

  153. now trump’s camp taking up wayne madsen’s two scoops of crazy, toward my paisan was upsetting, but I moved on, over macho grande,

    narciso (732bc0)

  154. I’d prefer to get an explanation from nbc abc cbs ny times salon huffpo wapo on theirs first. Once you guys fetch that we can talk briebart

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  155. A man who kills people he doesn’t know on orders, and orders others to do the same, is not much of a Christian to begin with. This Colonel is a hypocrite, if not a heretic or false prophet.

    nk (dbc370)

  156. 161. That’s a little too elliptical for me to make out.

    DNF (ffe548)

  157. is that your final answer, that would be a surprise to the last seventy five years going back to the army air corps,

    narciso (732bc0)

  158. 139. Look at the article, its direct quotes of the physician who’s show is syndicated.

    Would you look at an article on stormfront, just because soneone claimed it had alleged quotes from an alleged physician? I’ll bet you would. What good are such quotes? If you think it’s a valid story then find a valid source for it; if you can’t then that proves it’s not a valid story, so why should I soil myself by looking in that sewer?

    In any case, what sane person would be interested in quotes from a “physician who’s show is syndicated”? What sort of qualification is that? Is this person an expert on whatever topic it is that he’s being quoted for?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  159. I want Trump to win so I can see like 1 000 000 strokes and aneurysms of the uber alles crowd.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  160. Going by the photos, the colonel had his Bible always open to Philippians. I read Philippians just now, and didn’t see anything particularly threatening. But having a superior officer who is open about his faith is one thing, but having a superior officer who is militant about his faith, can be something very different. And there is nothing in the news article which gives any information on that point.

    kishnevi (d097a6)

  161. 145. And this is my point, you continue to run from actually dealing with conflict in some positive disposition allowing resolution.

    How does it allow resolution to suppose that having a syndicated show gives a person some sort of expertise on any subject? I don’t even know what the subject is, but you want people to look at a post on infowars as if such an article could possibly convey useful information. All it really tells us is that you are the sort of scum who reads infowars.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  162. Mulhouse, she ain’t well. Don’t know what she got. But something is deteriorating quickly. Not like 70 is the new 40 or something.

    Maybe Bill gave her untreated syphillis? Her Md is too mortified to run the blood work for fear of the answer.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  163. 168, I read Salon, it has some useful stuff. Why not Infowars?

    Jeez, always ad hominem

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  164. 152. Freedom from microagression, yeah, that’s in the Bill of Rights.

    Freedom from official proselytizing is in the Bill of Rights.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  165. Major. I promoted him. My fault.

    nk (dbc370)

  166. Trump is far more likely to have STDs, of ALL kinds, that he contracted firsthand AND secondhand.

    (Anticipating GUS.)

    nk (dbc370)

  167. any real news you might be interested in,

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/17/leaked-board-documents-soros-organization-tried-to-buy-supreme-court-ruling-on-illegal-immigration/

    the real life blofeld, who is magyar not from gydinia,

    narciso (732bc0)

  168. A man who kills people he doesn’t know on orders, and orders others to do the same, is not much of a Christian to begin with.

    Really? Christians should not join any army or put themselves under any human command?! Is that the Orthodox view?! Sounds Quaker to me.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  169. If it’s not from a treating physician, it’s suspect. If it’s from a nontreating physician who hasn’t had access to all of her medical records, then it’s garbage. In October 2008, the Dems were suggesting that John McCain’s cancer surgery meant he’d die in office. McCain doesn’t get many “last laughs,” but on this occasion, he does.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  170. Butt hurt Cruz supporters. Lol. What babies.

    171 .. Unless the religion is Secularism. Then it is ok?

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  171. RKS, you are aptly named, because Rodney King’s Spirit is currently being tortured in Sheol and will be for the rest of eternity.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  172. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-17/3-out-5-texans-support-secession-if-hillary-wins-presidency

    Um, no, that’s not what the poll says. The headline is a brazen lie. And that makes the person who linked to it either a brazen liar or a gullible fool.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  173. Like I said, attributing Trump’s faults and misdeeds to Trump’s opponents, is a favorite Trumpkin tactic.

    nk (dbc370)

  174. 168, I read Salon, it has some useful stuff. Why not Infowars?

    Because Salon is a respectable publication. Infowars is a filthy sewer. Do you read Stormfront too?! Would you respect anyone who did, or who regarded anything he read there as useful?

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  175. A man who kills people he doesn’t know on orders, and orders others to do the same, is not much of a Christian to begin with. This Colonel is a hypocrite, if not a heretic or false prophet.
    nk (dbc370) — 8/17/2016 @ 8:29 pm

    That is a lie.
    Satan is the father of lies.
    So stop lying.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  176. 176 Beldar always makes me laugh.

    You expect her personal physician to speak publicly about a patient?

    Um, Counselor, if I wanted to speculate on how good or bad someone case was on TV, I talk to neither the Plaintiff nor Defendents lawyers. I talk to a third party lawyer with some expertise who can make their own educated judgements.

    So I have no idea if Dr Dfrew Pinsky is that type MD but I would expect an outsider be the best party to talk to about Hillarys health.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  177. Oh plus he could lose his md license too. Hippa no no

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  178. Waitaminnnit is this all about that ridiculous story Trump is circulating, complete with fake documents, that Clinton is sick?! Evidence from a reliable source or withdraw. And no, one picture of her slipping on some stairs months ago is not evidence of anything except what’s been widely known for a long time, that she has a liking for the bottle.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  179. She’s been staying herself with flagons, like the Good Book says.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  180. how do you define respectable, they engineered a round of lawfare against the american spectator, or have you forgotten,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/17/ryan-lochte-ordered-to-remain-in-brazil-as-questions-raised-over/

    narciso (732bc0)

  181. Um, Counselor, if I wanted to speculate on how good or bad someone case was on TV, I talk to neither the Plaintiff nor Defendents lawyers. I talk to a third party lawyer with some expertise who can make their own educated judgements.

    So I have no idea if Dr Dfrew Pinsky is that type MD but I would expect an outsider be the best party to talk to about Hillarys health.
    Rodney King’s Spirit (d28741) — 8/17/2016 @ 8:54 pm

    Unlike court cases, where the information is public, health conditions are not public; therefore, a doctor who is speculating is just pulling feces out his arse and flinging it at his viewers, hoping something sticks.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  182. Milhouse, FWIW, I don’t believe the Greek Orthodox Church allows the clergy to shed blood. We differ from the Northern European Christians in that — distinguishing between clergy and laity. The clergy does not kill and the laity does not preach. FWIW, I am no ordained priest. 😉

    And I know for sure that proselytizing is frowned upon by the Church, and is a crime in Greece.

    nk (dbc370)

  183. The good part about Ryan Lochte being ordered to remain in Brazil and have his passport confiscated is he’s already in the US. So, in Lochte’s case (but not necessarily the other swimmers’ cases), Brazil is locking the barn door when the invited guest has already bid adieu.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  184. Milhouse, stop being a hysterical fool.

    Salon and Infowars are about on equal footing. I have read both. They both suck balls.

    But guess what so does the NY Times.

    Worse than Pravda.

    I am not fan boy of any outlet.

    I read.

    I judge.

    I don’t let streams of words that paint a collectively stupid picture cloud my judgement.

    Like millions of words telling me forcing coverage of more services by insurers will lower healthcare costs.

    Only an idiot thought that true.

    Plenty at Salona and the NY Times. Billions of articles.

    All propaganda.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  185. John, your denomination probably does not consider me a Christian at all, not being either a Calvinist or an Arminianist, so all samee-samee.

    nk (dbc370)

  186. well he’s not a chaplain, but he does rely on the bible as sustenance, like that passage from ephesians which can’t be considered insulting in any way, but we must be dragged into the mire, that is what passes for civilization now,

    narciso (732bc0)

  187. Proselytizing is required by Christ, though. So Churches that frown on it are frowning on a requirement Christ gave.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  188. By DNF’s logic if Dr. Oz went on the View tomorrow and opined Hillary was in excellent health, we would have to accept that. Pinsky is an internist (aka jack of all trades), addiction specialist, and his current academic position is a professor of psychiatry. He’s not a neurologist, which is the field under which Hillary’s alleged problem falls. So he has little expertise on this topic.

    Of course, if he diagnosed Willy Jeff as a sex addict, that would be more substantial.

    kishnevi (d097a6)

  189. Um, there’s nothing even slightly corrupt about trying to influence judges by funding amicus briefs. That’s what amici are for. Describing it as “buying a decision” is dishonest.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  190. You’re mistaken there, nk. If you accepted Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, being God Himself, as your personal Lord and Savior, admitting you have sinned and can’t get to Heaven on your own, and that He is the only way, then you are a Christian. Denomination does not change that.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  191. I would tend to doubt that, protestants value the personal connection over the institution, but it all begins at the same place,

    narciso (732bc0)

  192. Greek Values!

    Yeah, how is that working out for you?

    Paragons of many things but productive values are not one of them.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  193. 171 .. Unless the religion is Secularism. Then it is ok?

    Secularism is a policy, not a religion.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  194. Secularism is very much a religion. Don’t fool yourself.

    John Hitchcock (89487c)

  195. @ RKS (#184): You are entitled to use whatever standards you choose in assessing credibility.

    But in any courtroom in the Anglo-American world over the last three centuries, a physician who has neither examined the patient nor the patient’s records will not be permitted to give testimony about the patient.

    You don’t amuse me at all, oddly enough, RKS.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  196. honestly, I think they get their ordination out of a cracker jack box, now martin luther did slip a cog toward the end,

    narciso (732bc0)

  197. It’s working out real good, actually, thank you for asking, RKS. How are things in the trailer park? Are you using the Wifi at the public library or are you sitting on the sidewalk outside the internet cafe?

    nk (dbc370)

  198. an opinion freely given is what it’s worth, however we know how liberally singer who was no psychologist and renshon were about W,

    narciso (732bc0)

  199. Milhouse,

    She does not look well and does have something. She is taking like a vacation next few days …. Low energy. It happens at 70. You get sick.

    Regardless, Those docs were probably created by Hillary to smear Trump anyway. Like that boat in Havana Harbor 100 years ago. Useful prop.

    Maybe Dan Rather can figure out where the docs came from?

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  200. a so called professor or law, zaphod and dread pirate roberts mentor btw, sees fit to ruminate about breaking confidentiality, chew on that,

    narciso (732bc0)

  201. NK, you are the one bragging about shopping at Goodwill. I drive a Bentley.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  202. actually she’s two years younger that trump, razorback is the same as trump, and he looks like william hickey from prizzi’s honor,

    narciso (732bc0)

  203. Beldar,

    This ain’t a court room of the law.

    It is the court of public opinion.

    So while Pinsky might not be a Neurologist that is not the point,

    Point is Hillary won’t be telling us the truth and her MD is barred from doing so.

    So we must speculate.

    Or is that illegal now too?

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  204. Trump looks pretty healthy to me.

    Hillary does like one event per day and needs her mess to get to the next day.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  205. Plus I could care less about her health.

    She is wrong on policy.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  206. Mess is Meds

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  207. I looked askance at the previous accounts relayed by ed klein, because they seemed like excuse making to avoid the benghazi hearings, but now who the heck knows,

    narciso (732bc0)

  208. RKS:

    Salon and Infowars are about on equal footing.

    Well, that should tell anyone all they need to know about you.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  209. Milhouse

    I don’t let the patina of Ivy League stench excite me.

    Salon is a cesspool of propaganda and so is Infowrs.

    Just one puts on cologne to hide the stench. The other does not bother.

    Neither showers

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  210. well david talbot has a funny understanding of journalistic integrity,

    http://www.salon.com/2008/10/11/sarah_palin_alaska/

    nowadays he pursues the white whale of allen dulles, but back then as beldar would remind you,

    narciso (732bc0)

  211. Add most NY Times articles to that stench.

    I am whole.y unimpressed with high brow writers who flat out lie and only look at stories from one vantage point while spouting platitudes which not onl are wrong but they would never adhere to.

    Amoral and totally without wisdom.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  212. This ain’t a court room of the law.

    It is the court of public opinion.

    So while Pinsky might not be a Neurologist that is not the point,

    Point is Hillary won’t be telling us the truth and her MD is barred from doing so.

    So we must speculate.

    Or is that illegal now too?

    It’s not illegal, it’s just stupid and tells the world that those who give it credence are idiots.

    You have no need to speculate. In the absence of any reliable evidence all you can sensibly do is not form an opinion. The default state of affairs is that she has a presumption of being as healthy as anyone her age. To question that presumption you need evidence, and you have no means of getting any, so the presumption remains in place. That’s how it works, whether you like it or not. The uninformed opinion of some GP with a TV show is worth exactly as much as the opinion of a psychic — with or without a TV show — or the mutterings of a street bum.

    That’s why, as Beldar says, in a court case this TV doctor would literally not be allowed to testify. Not that his testimony would be discounted; he wouldn’t be allowed to give it in the first place. Because it’s of zero value. That means it should have no place in non-legal conversation either.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  213. @ RKS (#211): Speculating isn’t illegal, no.

    But you’re not even speculating. You’re just fantasizing.

    Again, not illegal, and entirely your prerogative. But don’t expect it to persuade anyone except other fantasists who share your fantasies.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  214. 218

    That article is pretty funny.

    Infowars worthy but instead of 8th grade vocabulary, 12th. Hurrah for Salon. So witty!

    Mil house and the like consider that “smart” journalism.

    To me it is a hatchet piece written by bigot.

    Alaska was great before the oil boom cuz all these independent minded people were here and now the imports are stupid! Like Palin!

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  215. we can’t assume he eats paste, but we can reasonably infer,

    http://tammybruce.com/2016/08/joe-biden-outs-military-aide-with-nuke-codes-at-hillary-campaign-rally.html

    after eight years of this cigar store indian, I don’t ever want to hear a criticism of another republican runningmate,

    narciso (732bc0)

  216. If a candidate wanted to be transparent, he or she would release a report from his/her treating physician, waiving privacy rights to permit them to speak candidly. To counter against the bias of a treating physician, the treating physician would then make available to pool reporters — typically themselves with medical backgrounds — who could also go over the medical records without releasing them to the general public. If they see anything in the records inconsistent with the opinion of the treating physician, they could so report and the candidate would then be under public pressure to submit to an independent medical examination. (Forcing an IME via court order is something that’s entirely common in personal injury litigation; but in the court of public opinion, only public pressure and the resulting electoral consequences can compel a candidate to release anything — tax returns, Goldman Sachs speeches, etc.

    Obviously neither Clinton nor Trump is going to do anything remotely close to that. They’re both utterly secretive and thoroughly corrupt, and the voting public is letting them get away with it by voting for either of them.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  217. 221 Beldar

    Anyone reading this biog to be convinced of anything in the political realm is likely a moron to begin with.

    I am here for the banter but I rarely learn much.

    And if just for the banter then I am joyful of the existence of mr Patterico

    But it is not fantasy to think her sick. 70 is not fun.

    Plus I will take an internist observations of her health over a lawyers.

    Sorry counselor.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  218. The irony to Biden is he was saying Trump can’t be trusted with nuclear codes and here stupid says what he says.

    But hey, Mulhouse thinks them bright.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  219. well when they have done their research, not pass on second hand gossip, I learned a great deal here, about southern california justice or lack there of, too many cases to consider,
    the nature and practice of counterterrorism, the real nature of the health care plan, and I’ve offered contributions here and there,

    narciso (732bc0)

  220. 224

    Yeah, no duh.

    This is blood sport.

    All this integrity talk makes me want to puke and stuff a sock down people throats.

    It is all fugazy. All kabuki theatre.

    What is wrong with you people?

    Wake the frack up!

    Trump is an American. Confused but pro America.

    Hillary a globalist and collectivist . She thinks we deserve less and other more … Except her.

    Pick.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  221. 227 I said on politics. Not some technical stuff. We can all learn more about the ins and outs of torts. Or whatever.

    Rodney King's Spirit (d28741)

  222. Lawyers are trained to spot bulls**t, RKS.
    Consider yourself spotted.

    nk (dbc370)

  223. Lawyers are trained to spot bulls**t, RKS.
    Consider yourself spotted.

    nk (dbc370) — 8/17/2016 @ 9:52 pm

    Oh, for fu*ksakes. Lawyers run on bullsh*t.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  224. where there was a nearly total protonic reversal was rauhauser, one of the nazguls, criticizing breitbart for being too pro russian or something.

    narciso (732bc0)

  225. The Spirit of Rodney King wrote:

    Mulhouse, she ain’t well. Don’t know what she got. But something is deteriorating quickly. Not like 70 is the new 40 or something.

    My guess is bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

    She actually has the symptoms, including a decreased ability to stand and walk.

    The Dana who isn't a physician (f6a568)

  226. Breitbart.com has a lot of explaining to do.

    Fuck you. You’re an enemy and a backstabber. You’re dead to them.

    😀

    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  227. Yeah, except for the fact that she isn’t anatomically bovine. Has BSE ever been reported in humans? Falling-down drunkenness, OTOH, has been reported in humans. Many times.

    (nvCJD is a human disease that appeared about 10 years after BSE, and is therefore commonly supposed to be caused by eating BSE-infected meat. But AFAIK BSE remains confined to cattle.)

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  228. Aw fer …. Legs don’t go bad unless the brain does? Old people don’t get hip and knee replacements unless they’re brain-damaged? Ever heard of sciatica, arthritis, gout, hammer toes, in-grown toenails, corns, blisters? Ill-fitting shoes, especially the stupid ones women wear, can make a person walk funny.

    nk who had a slipped disk before he had a stroke (dbc370)

  229. Properly-fitted shoes that women wear can make women walk funny, and I’m fine with that.

    John Hitchcock (863836)

  230. #230 nk,

    I can think of a couple of lawyers (Barack, Hillary) who are failing to spot BS. In fact, they’re actually the ones facilitating the most BS!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  231. Y’all do realize that bovine spongiform encephalopathy is the technical term for Mad Cow Disease, right?

    The Dana who is amused that some people can't spot a joke (f6a568)

  232. Yeeees, Dana. We got it.

    So Billy and Hillary are out for dinner, and Billy orders a t-bone steak. The waiter says, “I take it you don’t care about the mad cow, Mr. President”. Billy says, “Of course I care, but she likes to order for herself”.

    nk (dbc370)

  233. So friends of hamas, that was a thing right?

    narciso (732bc0)

  234. Um, yes, that’s why I wrote that she’s not anatomically bovine.

    Milhouse (ce9efb)

  235. Yes, narciso, I think we’re all aware that Clinton is literally in bed with the Brotherhood.

    Milhouse (ce9efb)

  236. It’s better to have a President who is in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood than a President who is in bed with a Slovenian hooker!
    (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  237. Yes, yes, it is. We were in bed with Stalin for four years. Reagan was in bed with Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war. And with the mujahadeen now called jihadists who later sheltered bin Laden and we’re now fighting in Afgahnistan. Bad foreign alliances are curable. Low morals and low tastes and an indelible stain on the Presidency are not.

    nk (dbc370)

  238. Yes, yes, it is. We were in bed with Stalin for four years. Reagan was in bed with Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war.

    Not literally.

    And with the mujahadeen now called jihadists who later sheltered bin Laden and we’re now fighting in Afgahnistan.

    No, he wasn’t. Not even figuratively. The mujahedin were the ones whom we restored to power in 2001, and whom we’re now fighting together with in Afghanistan.

    Milhouse (ce9efb)

  239. Sigh. I should know better here, but….

    BSE is one form of the general transmissible spongiform encephalopathies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmissible_spongiform_encephalopathy

    What we call “Mad Cow Disease” is the result of BSE prions “jumping” rarely across the species differences to create a new human prion disease. This happened, basically, because the UK was supplementing cattle feed with dead cows (some of which had BSE) for extra protein. In this country, we supplement cattle feed with soybeans, and that is harder to do in the UK. Hence the corpse supplements.

    http://www.webmd.com/brain/mad-cow-disease-basics#1

    There are many forms of these in humans, some of which are essentially genetic (mutations in the PrP gene that are predisposed to improper folding).

    http://memory.ucsf.edu/cjd/overview/types

    Prions are misfolded forms of a protein called PrP. They “recruit” properly folded forms into the misfolded form, which in terms leads to damage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion

    You know that one that worries me? Chronic Elk Wasting Disease. This one seems to be transmitted easily.

    http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/publications/fact_sheets/pdfs/cwd/cwd012803.pdf

    http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surprising-discovery-about-spread-of-chronic-wasting-disease/#.V7XZ25MrLBU

    I sure wouldn’t eat elk jerky. But I could be wrong.

    Yes, the semester begins soon.

    Anyway, I’m sure everyone is going to carry on about this, and many nits will be picked, but I thought it was important to put the correct information out there.

    Not that it will stop kvetching, I realize.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  240. #246 nk,

    We actually were playing both sides during the Iran-Iraq War because we wanted a stalemate.
    Iran was the much more populous between the two, so in order to facilitate a stalemate, it was necessary to tip the scales a little bit on behalf of Iraq.
    Of course, we allied with Stalin during WW2 in order to defeat Hitler. But that probably never would have happened had Hitler not turned on the Soviet Union in the first place.
    And obviously, we supported the Afghanis when they were invaded by the Soviets.

    In all those instances, we were choosing the lesser of two evils. Ironically, which is our argument for choosing Trump over Clinton — an argument you reject.

    There were strategic justifications for siding with Iraq, Stalin, and the Afghanis. But what do you believe is the strategic justification for being in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood today? And if it’s an “above board” strategic justification, then why does the Clinton Foundation go to such great lengths to obscure those ties? And why does Huma seem to be so coy about those ties?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  241. I thought you were using “Slovenian hooker” metaphorically. I tried to, in my answer. One bad alliance which can be terminated, sometimes with extreme prejudice as in the cases of Saddam and Khadafi, is not as bad as a person whose character will lead to any number of bad alliances and bad decisions. Barometers, litmus strips, red flags, canaries in coal mines … that sort of thing. Didn’t Trump already say that he was “neutral” towards Israel?

    nk (dbc370)

  242. Milhouse, Osama bin Laden, the Osama bin Laden, his very own self, was one of the mujahadeen who was fighting against the Soviets with weapons supplied by Reagan. The ones we restored to power in 2001, the Northern Alliance, were the opium-dealing faction of the remnants, while the religious faction of the remnants was allied with the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

    nk (dbc370)

  243. No, bin Laden and other Arab volunteers who fought with the Afghan mujahedin were not supplied by the USA at all. They brought their own supplies. US support went only to the Afghans. The Taliban didn’t even exist at the time; they’re strictly a post-Soviet movement.

    CS, had Hitler not turned on Stalin the unions would have remained anti-war, and done everything they could to sabotage the war effort, just as they did in the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand from the beginning of the war until Babarossa. And the pro-war vote in Congress wouldn’t have been nearly as lopsided; there’d have been a strong anti-war faction in Congress, the civil service, and even the cabinet, trying to undermine the war. The US was lucky that by the time it entered the war it didn’t have to deal with that crap.

    Milhouse (ce9efb)

  244. 139 Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/17/2016 @ 7:31 pm

    .#122, DNF: Again, infowars?! What is with you people? How can you imagine anyone sane is going topay any attention to you when you cite that sewer as if it had relevant information?

    The same story, apparently, is at Newsmax, Zero Hedge and Breitbart.

    All of which sometimes run stories that are “off.” Alex, or Inforwars by the way, sometimes has leads to something, although by itself it worse than worthless.

    Somebody’s spreading this story, and Inforwars is only part of it.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this partivular version of the story originated with the Clinton campaign, – that is, Hillary Clinton’s people created and leaked false medical documents – because she is maybe hiding something about her health and wants Donald Trump to make a wrong, and rebuttable, claim. Or cause reporters to become very cautious when they find out something real.

    And then, nobody will pay attention if something shows up in public appearances.

    Here is the Fox News version of the story:

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/08/18/dr-drew-gravely-concerned-about-hillary-clintons-health

    And this is even after Roger Ailes departed and joined the Trump campaign! Alies’ agent is Susan Estrich, Michael Dukakis’ campaign manager. First she helped him win, and then she helped him lose.

    A doctor appeared on KABC’s McIntyre on the Morning show. The host thought he would debunk it. I wonder where they got that idea from, and what he precisely said.

    Here’s the Washington Post version of the story:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/16/clinton-campaign-pushes-back-on-theories-about-the-candidates-health/

    The Clinton campaign attributes concerns about her health, I think, to the vast right-wing conspiracy.

    I guess we’ll have to look at the New York Times story. They are the most careful, and probably the best, although New York Times it omits things which it doesn’t know how to evaluate the truth of.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-stamina.html?_r=0

    The questioning of Mrs. Clinton’s energy levels comes as some of her conservative critics have been trying to push the narrative that she is battling an undisclosed illness that makes her unfit for the presidency. Last week, the Fox News host Sean Hannity devoted considerable time on Mrs. Clinton’s rumored medical problems. The right-wing Drudge Report has also prominently displayed images of Mrs. Clinton appearing to stumble and looking unwell.

    We get two new sources (besides Infowars, Newsmax, Breitbart, Zero Hedge, and KABC) from the New York Times: Sean Hannnity (who is on Fox, among other places) and the Drudge Report. The New York Times does not repeat whatever it is that Sean Hannity and company is saying.

    Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a communications professor at the University of Pennsylvania, said that Mr. Trump appeared to be nodding to age and sex stereotypes of women being too frail to handle strenuous activities.

    “He is playing into that loop of clips that Sean Hannity is playing,” Ms. Jamieson said. “What does it mean that she’s not up to it? It could be ‘she’s a woman and you know what happens when a woman gets older.’”

    I don’t think, though, that the sources that Trump is drawing on are saying that Hillary Clinton is nearly 70 years old. And how many people think woman age worse than men? Do they?

    This response, by Kathleen Hall Jamieson is clearly not an honest response, because there are some very specific claims being made, like Parkinson’s disease.

    I think Hillary Clinton may be seeding the speculation with all kinds of wrong information to throw people off the track and make people more cautious is spreading the idea. That’s the way a Clinton covers things up.

    It’s getting curiouser and curiouser.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  245. Milhouse (ce9efb) — 8/18/2016 @ 9:29 am

    US support went only to the Afghans. The Taliban didn’t even exist at the time; they’re strictly a post-Soviet movement.

    U.S. support during the Reagan Administration went to or through Pakistan’s rogue military intelligence agency, the ISI (the InterServices Intelligence agency) and they decided who got the money, and they only gave money to Islamists, of varying shades of black. A good portion of it maybe was siphoned off, too, and embezzled.

    But, of course, that would have had to end by the time al Qaeda and the Taliban got started, although there was still probably lots of money going to Pakistan.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  246. Infowars is an outfit that does a lot of good, original reporting that the mainstream is terrified to do, or too in the tank to do.

    Alex Jones is a unique combination of touched, salesman, balls the size and consistency of cannon shot, and unstoppable.

    Denver Guy (4750ec)

  247. nk (dbc370) — 8/18/2016 @ 7:41 am

    Reagan was in bed with Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war.

    No, no he was strictly neutral.

    Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger was pro-Iraq, along with Saudi Arabia, and he even caused an non-military Iranian plane to be shot down, which ended the war. (The downing of Pan Am 103 in Dec. 1988 was thought by some to be retaliation for that.)

    Oliver North and John Poindexter were pro-Iran and sold them weapons. Casper Weinberger compensated for that by sharing intelligence, because contrary to what Reagan thought, it could have tipped the balance. All this was going on without Reagan quite being aware of it. He wasn’t really a agood manager.

    Bad foreign alliances are curable. Low morals and low tastes and an indelible stain on the Presidency are not.

    Bad taste doesn’t matter so much, and the stain goes away with the staining president I think, but we do have to worry about a tendency to make bad foregn alliances.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  248. But that probably never would have happened had Hitler not turned on the Soviet Union in the first place.

    Wrong. Both dictators despised each other. Stalin had plans to attack Germany, but Hitler struck first. The only reason Stalin agreed to the partition of Poland was he thought that it could provide a platform to go into western Europe.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  249. Denver Guy, uh …. No.

    SPQR (2ba2b2)

  250. Bill H,

    So you’re saying you believe that we would have still allied with Stalin following a Soviet invasion of western Europe? Isn’t it possible we would have just sat back and watched Hitler and Stalin knock each other’s brains out for awhile?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  251. Bill H (971e5f) — 8/18/2016 @ 10:19 am

    Stalin had plans to attack Germany, but Hitler struck first.

    The thesis of a book, “Stalin’s Folly” is that this was a offensive defense startegy, but that';s giving him credit. The arrest of very many people the week of June 15 1941 (which for many Jews, probably saved their lives) was kind of preparation for that. But it was all more long term. Stalin desperately wanted Hitler not to attack any time soon. He expected that, too.

    One thing that also would have kept him away from starting a war, was the idea that war would be an economic disaster. There was actually a whole secret memorandum written around 1927, around the time Stalin was assuming power, that war would be impossible to finance. It’s detailed in the book “The Storm Petrels” (I that or a very similar name.)

    Indeed after World War II, Stalin did not start a war, and he only approved the proposal to invade South Korea by the North Korean dictator Kim Il Sung, whom he had installed, because he thought thought it was easy to do, and it would be over and done with very soon, as Kim Il Sung argued.
    And no Soviet troops were involved.

    The only reason Stalin agreed to the partition of Poland was he thought that it could provide a platform to go into western Europe.

    Well, something like that I suppose, but Stalin also thought that World War II would be like workd War I, and he never expected France to fall.

    He actually hesitated to carry out the agreement, waiting to invade until about Sept. 17 – until he was sure Poland would lose, and wouldn’t fight. Then he had the little war with Finland, which did not go so well for the Soviet Union, and Stalin made peace with Finland after it surrendered about 10% of its territory. (all the Finns there were evacuated to the rest of Finland) The “Molotov cocktail” was invented by the Finns at that time.

    The Soviet Union and Finland has actually maybe 4 wars altogether – two around 1918/1919 and two during World War II. Stalin also made peace again with Finland when victory in Europe was approaching.

    All the time Stalin had his army, he didn’t start any big war, or any war he thought that would last that would involve any Soviet troops. Now subversion and diplomacy, that was another thing.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  252. Stalin was completely unprepared for the German invasion, and so were communists and their supporters all over the world, including the unions, who had to turn on a dime from pacifists to warmongers. Had Hitler not turned on him, the communists would have remained anti-war, and the USA’s entry into the war would have been a lot more complicated.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  253. Bad foreign alliances are curable. Low morals and low tastes and an indelible stain on the Presidency are not.

    nk (dbc370) — 8/18/2016 @ 7:41 am

    Bad foreign alliances have concrete consequences, e.g. the Iron Curtain. An “indelible stain on the Presidency” or whatever exists in the mind. Which largely summarizes the Never Trumper mindset.

    Gerald A (945582)

  254. If memory serves, Axis Japan attacked Hawaii, America declared war on Axis Japan then Axis Germany stood w/its ally as Hitler declared war on America. Doesn’t seem all that complicated.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  255. So you’re saying you believe that we would have still allied with Stalin following a Soviet invasion of western Europe? Isn’t it possible we would have just sat back and watched Hitler and Stalin knock each other’s brains out for awhile?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 8/18/2016 @ 11:00 am

    C’mon CS, don’t be stupid. I never said any such thing in my life, much less in my comment. It was well understood that Stalin didn’t like Hitler at all, and there were plans to move into western Europe. There was absolutely no other reason for the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. The Russians were searching for a working springboard, and the Germans were trying to head-fake the Russians. It very simply worked out in our- and particularly Great Britain’s favor that Hitler just could not take the long view.

    It’s possible that Hitler and Stalin could have traded knocks for a while without us in the arena. Well, actually they did, particularly since we had decided that although a state of war existed between us and Germany, it was decided that Japan was the immediate focus. Lend-Lease was merely getting equipment to the Russians as well as GB.

    In any event, Stalin was going to go for it. Hitler just got greedy first. When we entered the war, the upper eschelon of the Wehrmacht knew they were finished.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  256. Lawyers would be out of work without illegals.
    Deport them both.

    mg (af411c)

  257. i believe ryan (swimer) believes he got robbed at the point of a gun and that’s what counts really if you think about it

    his truth is his truth and plus he had to swim in poo poo water

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  258. Bill H,

    It was a simple question based on what you said earlier — not a definite assertion of your point of view.
    Earlier, you told me I was “wrong” without providing a whole lot of context, so I asked you to clarify, and now you’re telling me to not be so “stupid.”

    By the way, Patterico’s set up some new rules of engagement which you may not have seen.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  259. the Polynesians are known to have a taste for “long pig”.

    That was New Guinea, and it was actually a new phenomenon in the Twentieth Century, and they came down with a version of mad cow disease.

    Milhouse (5a188d) — 8/17/2016 @ 3:48 pm

    No, it wasn’t. It was all Polynesians, including Maori, and they’d been doing it for centuries. Not millennia, because they weren’t there for millennia, but their ancestors probably ate long pig too, wherever it was they came from.

    New Guineans, who are Melanesian, not Polynesian, were also cannibals since time immemorial, and there’s no record of how long kuru had existed there. Just because both they and their disease were discovered in the 20th century doesn’t mean they came into existence right then, and nor did their diets and diseases.

    I have a book The Family That Couldn’t Sleep: A Medical Mystery By D. T. Max and it says on page 81:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=NiikOpeJ6KEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=family+couldn't+sleep&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjajbnh28vOAhXI2yYKHVzWAQYQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=customm%20of%20eating&f=false

    What wasn’t known was that the cannabalism was new to them…

    Click on the link taht says Page 81 and you’ll se eteh whole page, and the next, and teh next (at least if you are logged into GMail or Google?)

    Now maybe otgher people did eat human flesh, but there was no kuru there. Cannabalism, like homosexuality, can be a vector for some diseases that don’t really spread in other ways, but if theer no start, theer may bne no disease.

    It is certainly true other people ate human flesh. Some Japanese military commanders – these were high ranking officers – developed a taste for it during World War II, and George H..W. Bush might have become a victim of that if he’s been captured.

    Kuru tapered off in New Guinea as people stopped eating human flesh. But the book says they’d only started not so many years before.

    The Southern Fore learned it from the Northern Fore from the Kamano, who were the most technologically advanced of them all. It started with the Southern Fore when somebody died, they thought of sorcery, and this person’s body was carried to Krawanti and cooked anmd portions distributed throughout the district. And then people said: “This is sweet. What is the matter with us, are we mad?? Here is good food and we have neglected it.”

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  260. Mr Finkelman wrote:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if this partivular version of the story originated with the Clinton campaign, – that is, Hillary Clinton’s people created and leaked false medical documents – because she is maybe hiding something about her health and wants Donald Trump to make a wrong, and rebuttable, claim. Or cause reporters to become very cautious when they find out something real.

    The HITECH act was part of the 2009 porkulus bill, and it required that all medical records be digitized, ostensibly so that health care providers could obtain a patient’s past medical records, but I’ve always believed that it was to make the damned things searchable. Why, after all, would there be a requirement that the records contain a Body Mass Index, when a physician can see whether you are obese, other than to make BMI searchable?

    Well, it would be karmic justice if some hacker got into the lovely Mrs Clinton’s real medical records, and published them.

    The Dana who believes in karmic justice (f6a568)

  261. The Dana who believes in karmic justice (f6a568) — 8/18/2016 @ 1:20 pm

    Why, after all, would there be a requirement that the records contain a Body Mass Index, when a physician can see whether you are obese, other than to make BMI searchable?

    Well, if weight and height is recorded, and every doctor does this, (or has a nurse do this, rather) you could calculate it.

    Writing down a BMI would be for historical records – to compare with weight 2 years ago – and to enable care for one patient to be split among many physicians, and may be Washington’s idea of trying to force physicians to pay attention.

    Well, it would be karmic justice if some hacker got into the lovely Mrs Clinton’s real medical records, and published them.

    This is probably not to be expected. I keep on saying, the Clintons know how to keep things secret.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  262. Torn on this not-so-stanky pee episode – sometimes I think Ryan swimmer needs to be dragged to the nearest Brazilian consulate. But then I need to reflect that I’m lucky my drunk escapades did not end up with me dead in the “wild hunnits” (on our way back from downtown Chicago clubs, me and my cohorts, young Mexican american males from the far southeast side, would stop off in some random black far south side residential alley south of 100th street and use the facilities). As Tony Manero said in Saturday night fever, once said, everybody’s got to dump on somebody else.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  263. Seriously, the nkvd had the rote kapelle ring, which gave Stalin plenty of warning, for that matter dusko popov had warned hoover about Italian experiments on torpedo bombing. Which wererehearsals for pearl harbor.

    narciso (732bc0)

  264. Sammy, even if the Fore were telling the truth about it being new to them (and also about kuru being new to them), they learned it from the Kamano. How long had the Kamano been doing it? And did they get kuru? In any case, none of this is relevant to Polynesians, which New Guineans are not.

    AFAIK all Polynesian cultures are definitely known to have been cannibalistic for centuries. Not the way the Fore ate their own dead as a sort of funeral rite; Polynesians, including Maori, routinely killed people for food. Not just enemies, either; chiefs slaughtered their own people and thought nothing of it.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  265. …simply put, you must survive the beginning……..the early days…

    firefirefire (933c5b)

  266. ……in the later days,,the people will speak. Clearly.

    firefirefire (933c5b)

  267. 272. narciso (732bc0) — 8/18/2016 @ 3:21 pm

    Seriously, the nkvd had the rote kapelle ring, which gave Stalin plenty of warning,

    yes, they did, but Stalin discounted it or something. He ws not prepared. If he did anything that was like preparation, that was preparing to attack – but on a more extended time frame than he had.

    for that matter dusko popov

    The British XX agent codeamed “TRICYCLE, and the original model for James Bond

    had warned hoover about Italian experiments on torpedo bombing. Which wererehearsals for pearl harbor.

    That was not an experiment. That was an actual destruction, by the British, of the destruction of the Italian fleet at Taranto on the night of Novemner 11-12, 1940.

    The Italians studied it. Also the leadoff question on his questionairre was about Pearl Harbor, albeit land targets. (Well, Canaris was trying to sabotage things in every way, or most ways. It was all ultimately, a failure.)

    All that J. Edgar Hoover did was threaten Dusko Popov with prosecution under the Mann Act, for taking a girl with him to Hawaii. H also tried a bit of double cross communicaitons, but not credible at all, so that the British recalled him. Popov had rought with him the microdot system for communicating with Garmany – Hoover, in a Readers Digest artivcle in 1946, pretended to have discovered this by the work of his FBI, when actually it was handed over to him. The story was slightly different in the 1957 book, “The FBI Story” but still false. He only told FDR about the mcrodot, but not about Dusko Popov’s explanation as to why he thought the Japanese were planning to attack Pearl Harbor, which reasoning he had actually been given by his friend, the Canaris deputy Johnny Jebsen. Hoover was being defended as late as 1982/3 by some people from the fBI in the American Historical Review. There;’s been a recent book about Popov.

    Here’s some more about this, which includes the citation:

    http://intellit.muskingum.edu/wwii_folder/wwiipearl_folder/wwiipearltricycle.html

    Bratzel, John F., and Leslie B. Rout, Jr.

    1. “Pearl Harbor, Microdots, and J. Edgar Hoover.” American Historical Review 87 (Dec. 1982): 1342-1351.

    2. “Once More: Pearl Harbor, Microdots, and J. Edgar Hoover.” American Historical Review 88 (Oct. 1983): 953-960.

    These articles focus on the Tricycle case and on the Abwehr questionnaire brought by Dusko Popov.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)

  268. Rich Galen thinks it’s John Podesta’s btother who really was responsible for the contract.

    Sammy Finkelman (44f942)


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