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8/13/2016

L.A. Times Buries Relevant Fact in “Cops Kill Young Minority Child” Story

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 10:42 am



This comes via Jack Dunphy on Twitter, who notes:

Try reading the headline and 12 paragraphs out loud, as I did last night to my wife. As you do it, emphasize the parts of the story that make this a real tear-jerker about a young minority kiddo killed by those evil authority figures:

Vigil held for 14-year-old boy shot and killed by LAPD: ‘Justice for Jesse’

Te vigil Wednesday night for Jesse Romero, the 14-year-old boy shot and killed the day before by Los Angeles police, was not silent.

When it began, the crowd of more than 70 people stood in a large circle. In the center, a group of Aztec dancers yelled and blew a conch, performing to the rhythm of a drum that echoed loudly throughout Mariachi Plaza in Boyle Heights.

Using a bullhorn, organizer Carolyn Vera, 25, addressed the crowd: “As a community here in Boyle Heights, we’re here to denounce LAPD’s killing of Jesse Romero, in case they can’t hear us!”

In an empty lot not far away, a small group of officers stood outside their patrol cars, keeping watch.

At the vigil, men, women and children stood side-by-side, holding votive candles and signs that read, “El pueblo unido for Jesse (The people united for Jesse).”

Another stated, “No más madres en luto (No more mothers in mourning).”

The chanting focused on the slain boy, who died just a few weeks shy of his 15th birthday: “Justice for Jesse.”

But there were quieter moments: a moment of silence and the reading of a poem about the 1968 student massacre in the Tlatelolco zone of Mexico City, Mexico. Both sought to honor the dead students, Romero and anyone else killed by authorities in the U.S. and other countries.

Among those attending the vigil was 28-year-old Etujan Lopez of East Los Angeles, who said he had mixed feelings about the shooting.

“I hear different stories about what happened,” he said. “I think it’s a failure on everyone’s part.”

Lopez said there should be more community programs that help steer children away from gang activities and encourage them to get an education and professional careers.

And here comes the 12th paragraph. Can we get a drumroll, maestro? Go ahead and actually play the nine-second video, just for the drama:

And here it is:

According to the LAPD, Romero was suspected of writing gang-style graffiti in the area before leading officers on a foot chase and firing a gun at them late Tuesday afternoon.

The chase ended when Romero was fatally shot by officers at Breed Street and Cesar E. Chavez Avenue. A handgun was recovered at the scene, police said.

Indeed, there is not a shred of evidence in the story that anything happened except this: a gangster kid tagged a building, led police on a chase, and fired at them, ensuring his own demise. The End.

We’re lucky we’re not sitting through yet another funeral of a police officer killed for doing his job this weekend.

But we have to sit through endless paragraphs about a 14-year-old child — killed by “authorities” just as so many others have been “massacred” — and how the people want “justice” for him because too many moms are in mourning.

And somehow, the writer manages to convey the message: this kid was executed. There’s not a speck of evidence offered to support it. But that’s what they want you to think.

I’ll leave you with the end of the story:

Standing quietly, 17-year-old Julian Montenegro said he came out with his parents to support the Boyle Heights community that he lives in. He said he is bothered by the shooting.

“It’s really awful,” he said. “It instills fear in people of color.”

Not far, Lopez stood silently. His eyes were watery.

“I’m in tears right now,” he said, his hands on his waist. “With tragedy things might change.”

He paused, looking at the crowd.

“Hopefully they’ll change.”

Hopefully! Yes: hopefully gangsters will stop firing at cops. But until such time as it does, “justice” for people like Jesse Romero is going to look a lot like, well . . . the justice that Jesse Romero got.

I’ve got no problem with that.

96 Responses to “L.A. Times Buries Relevant Fact in “Cops Kill Young Minority Child” Story”

  1. I love this tidbit from the article:

    At the police station, the crowd quietly listened to speakers. The rally expressed solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement. Earlier in the evening, Vera had called on Latinos and blacks to stand together against police killings.

    Gee, I don’t know, fellas. That sounds an awful lot like you’re trying to say someone’s life matters besides black lives. You keep talking that kind of talk, and next thing you know you’ll be saying “All Lives Matter.” And that, my friend, is ThoughtCrime.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  2. Aztec dancers yelled and blew a conch

    oh shut up really

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. Journalism is a fiction genre.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. agreed, graham chapman piped up and said ‘this is very silly indeed’

    narciso (732bc0)

  5. Well I don’t know anything at all about this case (reading the LA Times to your wife is cruel in itself), but surely as a professional involved in criminal law, you must know that cops used to sometimes carry an extra unregistered gun and stick it under a dead body to make their case more solid. Did this kid shoot at the cops? I have no idea, but forensics are much better now, so probably. But do you have any skepticism about it? You’re an expert and I’m not. You sound sure of yourself, and I think your judgment is pretty solid, but what’s the other side?

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  6. it’s possible, the one in chicago, was just a hit and run, for which the gangs have put a bounty on any cop,

    narciso (732bc0)

  7. This retort to the phrase “Black Lives Matter” saying “ALL Lives Matter” drives me crazy because it misses the point. (Not that I support BLM, I think they’re a very, very bad idea, but I’m trying to understand and analyze it, the way one might try to analyze the Bolsheviks or Pol Pot).

    The point they’re trying to make is political, not ontological. The fact that all lives matter is of course self-evident, but it’s not part of the discourse they’re trying to create. “All lives matter” is not a rebuttal in this context. Of course the context is manipulated and distorted, but that’s not the point. To counter the point with “all lives matter” is to make a fool of oneself.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  8. yes, it’s critical race theory, derrick bell, was the biggest exponent, and recall who was a star pupil of his,

    narciso (732bc0)

  9. Well I don’t know anything at all about this case (reading the LA Times to your wife is cruel in itself), but surely as a professional involved in criminal law, you must know that cops used to sometimes carry an extra unregistered gun and stick it under a dead body to make their case more solid. Did this kid shoot at the cops? I have no idea, but forensics are much better now, so probably. But do you have any skepticism about it? You’re an expert and I’m not. You sound sure of yourself, and I think your judgment is pretty solid, but what’s the other side?

    It will be revealed in the investigation, I’m sure. The kid’s hands will be checked for gunshot residue. If the gun found by the kid was, say, a semi-auto, casings will be collected to see how many shots were fired from it. Witnesses will be asked if they saw any police fire shots from that gun or plant a gun near the kid. Etc.

    There is no indication of any of that in the story. But they don’t need to present evidence that this may have been a bad shooting, evidently, to turn it into a tear-jerker about a young kid massacred by the authorities.

    That’s the point.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  10. there are so many unblown conches in america

    but not this day

    no sir

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. One of a number of shady things that the evidence might show:

    Leviticus (c5c6f0)

  12. Mary Hawkes was shot in the back , by the way.

    Leviticus (c5c6f0)

  13. Thomas Gibson would know what to do but he got fired for being too manly

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  14. I always thought, that show gave people bad ideas

    narciso (732bc0)

  15. i never saw it

    procedurals are same same as “scooby doo for adults” i think

    i just don’t got no time

    (Thomas was a Fred)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  16. well it’s over the place like kudzu,

    narciso (732bc0)

  17. The Darwin effect is alive and well.

    The blacks are basically self-exterminating. Barry’s home town, Chicago, is a great example.

    Thugs offing one another, or shooting at police and being taken out…. yes..more please.

    This also shrinks the Democrat’s voting base.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  18. The documents show that there were no fingerprints or DNA on the gun Mary Hawkes reportedly pointed at an officer before that cop shot and killed her.

    Happens all the time. Fingerprints and DNA are far harder to get in real life than on the shows. As for “shot in the back” — that can happen too. If I point a gun and you and quickly turn away when you fire at me, I can be shot in the back.

    I’m not saying there aren’t bad or dirty shootings. I’m saying that this type of evidence may not show what you think it shows.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  19. The Darwin effect is alive and well.

    The blacks are basically self-exterminating. Barry’s home town, Chicago, is a great example.

    Thugs offing one another, or shooting at police and being taken out…. yes..more please.

    This also shrinks the Democrat’s voting base.

    Trump supporter.

    When I say “all lives matter” that includes gang members. I deal with a lot of families of murdered gang members. They hurt just like everyone else. And not every gang member is the same.

    Patterico (bcf524)

  20. that’s not a trump supporter that’s a pooper

    do i need to make flash cards

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  21. from the last thread, the media seems to encourage dysfunctional behavior, and repackages it as rebellion, if it was phrased more as a warning maybe there would be a modicum of social peace,

    narciso (732bc0)

  22. hunson abedeer (80144e) — 8/13/2016 @ 11:03 am

    I agree. A possible retort to “Black Lives Matter!” Might be “Then stop killing each other!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  23. Let’s assume that the kid did in fact fire a gun at the police, which for the sake of argument seems likely. Then the question becomes, the kid was just spraying graffiti, which I assume is a rather minor offense. And then he turns around _and shoots at police officers_? Which is a very, very major offense. Why on earth would anybody do that? (I’m not being skeptical, I’m asking the ontological question.) Why on earth would anybody _not_ know _not_ to do that? Why would a 14-year-old _have a gun_ in the first place, much less know how to shoot it? (Well, kids did in the old days, but it was for completely different purposes.)

    I think sociologically it has mostly to do with fatherless boys. I’d be curious to know the family situation. I’m also interested in the knee-jerk assumption that this must be protested in the now-typical banal and thoughtless fashion. Whenever my father discovered I’d done something even mildly bad, he took measures to make sure I didn’t do it again (not violent, simply authoritative). I believe natural human behavior is ordered that way, and this kid probably didn’t experience that order.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  24. Can someone puh-leaze tell Jack it’s racist to be white and want to live.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  25. you know who’s super goddamn white is that hillary clinton

    i’m just not comfortable with that

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  26. He fought teh Law and teh Law won…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  27. I wonder… is this not just another case of schools making students pay for after-school, extra curricular activities?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  28. Where is my g*d*ammed white privilege! Shouldn’t I be sleeping with Beyonce, or at
    least Halle Berry?

    Also, make me a sandwich, woman.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  29. Sorry. The oxen are speaking to me.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  30. The thing is, it isn’t enough to call the papers on this crap. We have to scrutinize the cops, too. A dynamic has built up, that pits police against minorities and benefits Liberal rent-seekers and office holders. They are supported by the police unions, they promulgate the regulations that prey on the poor, they get to play Social Justice Warrior, without actually helping much. and they keep getting elected.

    The police drift into being thugs, the minorities drift into being perpetually (and ineffectually) rebellious, and the Liberals stay in office forever, or until they get so greedy that they get caught on camera with their hand in the till.

    The dynamic may not be deliberate, but it could hardly work better if it was. To break it we much choose our sides carefully in each case. And the cops have not helped matters by being caught multiple times saying one thing happened when video recoding shows something completely different.

    We need to bust the dynamic, and it ain’t gonna be easy.

    C. S. P. Schofield (36f996)

  31. #10
    Was the protest in Key West?
    http://conchrepublic.com/history.htm
    Those Aztecs are going to be very popular. They could probably get some help with the feathers too.
    Maybe bring a few oiled Tongans along for the diversity

    steveg (fed1c9)

  32. you make it sound so dirty

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  33. you don’t think of conchs and mexico right off the bat,

    narciso (732bc0)

  34. Looks like they are trying to outdo BLM and turn their protest into a real happening. Aztec dancers, conch shells, snappy slogans in Boyle Heights’ native language.

    With such a romantic attachment to the splendors of Mexico, I have to wonder why they don’t return.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  35. @19, they aren’t all scum.

    Fighting the uphill battle.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  36. When I say “all lives matter” that includes gang members. I deal with a lot of families of murdered gang members. They hurt just like everyone else. And not every gang member is the same.

    Patterico (bcf524) — 8/13/2016 @ 11:36 am

    “Murdered” gang members? Killed is not necessarily murdered. I’m also certain that the misery thugs bring to their families is significant and indeed the survivors hurt like everyone else. But the thugs should’ve thought that over before their long descent into crime and all its repercussions.

    A few days, weeks, months of familial grief does not mitigate or give value to the life of a true thug.

    Society is much better off without these vermin.

    But then, as an idealistic Hillary supporter, you wouldn’t understand this.

    PTS (ce7fc3)

  37. Pulling off a throw down weapon on a dead subject has a lot of moving parts that would have to go perfectly.
    The information that the dead woman had been accused of stealing a gun just like this one (on Facebook no less) makes it seem more likely than not she had the gun, but stranger things have happened.

    A sad part of the time we live in is the cold prolific reality of young gangsters carrying firearms.
    The kids who are affliated at birth, with gang members throughout the family tree probably need to carry a weapon. They could be shot stabbed, beaten to death just for being a son or brother of a hated rival.
    Teens can be impulsive and sadly I am unsurprised that a young gangster would shoot at a cop.

    Given the prevalence of pistol carrying gangsters, it is surprising that there are not more shootings by the police. We read the grim weekend dead and wounded count from Chicago and think wow those are big numbers, when those are just the guns that were put into play and the true numbers of guns carried by gangster on that weekend was likely in the high hundreds or even 1000 or more.

    My guess would be that in some neighborhoods it would be more remarkable to not find a weapon amongst 4 gang members within a car

    steveg (fed1c9)

  38. With such a romantic attachment to the splendors of Mexico, I have to wonder why they don’t return.

    That’s true, Patricia. When you see the pageantry of the Aztec dancers and look at all the good people waving Mexican flags you begin to appreciate just how much they have given up to come to this country and be abused, murdered and exploited. They left the land of the Aztecs and all it’s wealth, beauty and opportunity to come here and unselfishly benefit us and they are rightly angered by their treatment. Knowing the beauty and splendor of Mexico I fear if they are not granted total victim status on par with blacks they may choose to return to the magnificent cities like Tijuana or Guadalajara. Should that happen it would not only be a great loss to America but a huge cost to their democrat handlers who would need to focus completely on moslem imports. What a shame.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  39. “Murdered” gang members? Killed is not necessarily murdered.

    Yes. Murdered gang members. But thanks for explaining the difference to me. Do you teach a class?

    Patterico (bcf524)

  40. #36

    All gang members are not alike and all gangs are not alike either.
    The son of one of my employees was stabbed to death a few days after his 15th birthday. My employee was a honest, hardworking single parent. The son went to his cousins home after school while dad worked and his older cousins lived in a Westside gang infested apartment complex and had become gang members.
    So this kid, who I’d know for most of his life, got caught up in it.
    I attended court to support my employee and to put a diverse look on his support in case someone with similar views to yours was in the jury.

    One of my clients (who also attended court proceedings) was kind enough to pay for a place in SB Cemetery for the sons ashes.

    My employee was destroyed. Couldn’t work, couldn’t even move some days. He eventually left his job with me and drifted around for years.
    He and his son were not the bad guys here. The 14 to 15 year old Eastside kids who stabbed his son to death were and as much as I understand your frustrations, it is hard to hear someone like my employees son described as vermin.
    I also understand it is hard to be sad over asshole vs asshole violence.
    The host here strikes me as a very professional prosecutor, and as a compassionate person who knows that it hurts to lose a son, even if you’ve known for years that your sons activities were both illegal likely to get him killed

    steveg (fed1c9)

  41. Well said, steveg. You absolutely nailed it.

    JVW (900ded)

  42. Good post. This is why I began following your blog. I heard, probably on TV, a mention of this case and there was a brief mention of the possibility that the kid shot at the cops.

    When I was practicing surgery, I saw a couple of bad police shootings and I know they happen but this does not sound like one.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  43. Greetings:

    One of the things that annoys me about articles like this is the way the perps age and status are manipulated. Someone at the Chicago Manual of Style or some such should firm things up about what is boy, what is child, what is teenager, what is minor.

    F’rinstance, when I was a freshmen in high school, I was a 6-foot something, 175-lb teenage boy child minor who played various sports with the grown men of my neighborhood pretty much every weekend in the Bronx tradition of no quarter asked, none given.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  44. The Darwin effect is alive and well.

    The blacks are basically self-exterminating. Barry’s home town, Chicago, is a great example.

    Thugs offing one another, or shooting at police and being taken out…. yes..more please.

    This also shrinks the Democrat’s voting base.

    And people get all bent out of shape when I say that Trump attracts racist scum.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  45. I would like to drop Mr PTS down at 98th and Alameda some night and see if he can learn tact.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  46. A few days, weeks, months of familial grief does not mitigate or give value to the life of a true thug.

    Society is much better off without these vermin.

    But then, as an idealistic Hillary supporter, you wouldn’t understand this.

    You seem to need a refresher course on Genesis 1:27.

    Which applies even to those, like thugs, Hillary Clinton, Omar Mateen, and Donald Trump, who wantonly and badly misuse the gift given them by the Creator, blessed is He.

    kishnevi (8f5d8c)

  47. I would not discount the possibility the stereotypical mouth breathers feigning support for Trump are merely attempting to echo stinkyfeet’s method commenting in a different manner. There is no functional difference between the probable outcome of even limited exposure to the halfwits wrt support for Trump.

    Rick Ballard (d51940)

  48. there’s a learned cynicism one can acquire after sanford, baltimore, ferguson, baton rouge,
    northern minnesota, they keep insisting we care while they all but put targets on cops heads, and tell us to ignore the jeers,

    narciso (732bc0)

  49. It’s like Comic-Con. Comic-Con’s market is plump young men with the occasional sister of one of them. But there are enough of them to keep the business going. The LAT has its own demographic which knows what it likes to read in the papers, and it’s (more or less) large enough to keep it in operation.

    nk (dbc370)

  50. well comic con is supposed to be entertaining, david ayer’s project is the exception that proves the rule,

    narciso (732bc0)

  51. Rev. Hoagie, 😉

    Patricia (5fc097)

  52. Ballad of the Green Beret Ballard the Green-gilled Fey

    Fighting words upon the screen
    Fearless guy not before seen
    Man who’ll mean just what he’ll say
    Tremble now, he’s a green-gilled fey

    Silver-tongued, he knows what’s right
    Commando of the keyboard type
    Most will fail his test today
    Ain’t no big, he’s a Green-gilled Fey

    Lends a hand to teh cankled gal
    But he claims, he ain’t her pal
    And he’ll type, by night and day
    Courage deep, from the Green-gilled Fey

    Colonel Haiku (58355d)

  53. “the grown men of my neighborhood pretty much every weekend in the Bronx tradition of no quarter asked, none given.”

    Unless you came to Brooklyn. Then you’d be in rather a spot of trouble, my esteemed colleague. Eh, it’s all good, right?

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  54. I understand the necessity for propaganda organs to produce X column inches of prog fodder per day as reinforcement for their weak minded subscribers as well as I understand the probability cops will have to plug some thugs just about every day. I don’t understand the political benefit to be derived from focusing on thugs in Blue Hell plantations who die by making very poor decisions.

    One hundred people were shot in Chicago last week. Most were blacks shot by other blacks. That’s a reasonable example of how much black lives matter on the Chicago plantation but we won’t be reading much about it.

    Rick Ballard (d51940)

  55. because there must be fresh narrative for crump julian to distort, so resist we much, stays in matching track suits,

    narciso (732bc0)

  56. “Which applies even to those, like thugs, Hillary Clinton, Omar Mateen, and Donald Trump, who wantonly and badly misuse the gift given them by the Creator, blessed is He.”

    Your willfully childish moral equivalency in associating those names and their deeds as worthy of precisely equal judgment is disgusting and unChristian. I’d say you should go to hell for causing little ones to stumble, but fortunately people who reason this way usually don’t influence anyone besides themselves, and even children can see the moral horror of not killing the bad guy at a very early age.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  57. Say how has Dick Morris managed to stay alive?

    Did he hire a foot taster?

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  58. Rev. Hoagie’s sarc is serious thought exercise in the Great Lakes/western Rust Belt, full of teadtional ghettos and book-ended by Minneapolis and Dearborn. Hence Ryan kept hi seat.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  59. #57

    Add 3 vertical feet.

    steveg (fed1c9)

  60. Steveg

    We can safely say happyfeet has at least one fan.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  61. Since we are having a sincere discussion about race can I ask if anyone has an explanation about black women and bra money?

    I’ve even seen bills on one side and coins on the other.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  62. Nope.
    I like hf and will not be a part of attacking him here.
    Sure, there may be an issue where I chime in with a disagreement, but this is not that time

    steveg (fed1c9)

  63. Greetings:

    I don’t mind those Aztecas dancers. It’s their open-heart surgery clinics that freak me out.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  64. it’s all an act for pikachu, texas version of andy kauffman,

    narciso (732bc0)

  65. Greetings, hunson abedeer: ( #53 @ (80144e)- 8/13/2016 @ 5:31 pm)

    Living on offshore islands for any length of time causes a form of mental confusion not found in mainland populations.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  66. The only good thing, coronello, about the suck @$$ seventies was the Mercury Capri.

    http://www.mjcclassiccars.com/1974-Mercury-Capri.shtml

    OK. Your X1/9.

    But that’s the last concession I’ll make to the Seventies.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  67. There’s this place in Denver called Casa Bonita (as seen on South Park. They have high divers come out periodically.

    I’m surprised the LAFD doesn’t set up a portable tank so they can go to town.

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  68. The Seventies saw the Volvo emerge as a quasi supercar.

    Volvo! Not even a ****8ng Saab who at least make jets.

    Apparently they acquired a following.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEbSiJJh7v4

    Volvo 242 Turbo teaser

    He seems to have a thing for Fords, so he has that going for him.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  69. Who pulls an engine while leaving the hood on? Seriously, Swedes.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  70. thanks Mr. g

    these times, they’re so divisive

    maybe we should have a dance off

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  71. Volvos and Saabs were legion in the higher number street “bougie” parts of the Chicago South Side before the high-rise projects were emptied unto them via Section 8. Those euro cars plus a fascination with Tennis (way before the Williams sisters, mind you), were pure signal wealth.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  72. Urbanleftbehind

    So may one call Venus and Serena Saab Sisters?

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  73. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen.

    Yes. I am. That much. A D*ck.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  74. Capitalize it, folks.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  75. Maybe, although they truly were from the Compton of rap infamy, and not say View Park or Ladera Heights.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06)

  76. I’m just going to have to take you at your word.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  77. 10,000 Swedes

    Ran through the weeds

    Pursued by one Norwegian

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  78. Maybe, although they truly were from the Compton of rap infamy, and not say View Park or Ladera Heights.

    urbanleftbehind (847a06) — 8/13/2016 @ 8:23 pm

    I was moved to vouch for White’s Smoke Jumpers because I could be accused of being full of s***. And, yes.

    Could happen.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  79. A good set of boots will last you a lifetime. No s***.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  80. The Ewe Ess Navy. Bringing a bigger boat.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  81. How about this one, Steve? Terror of teh World Rally…

    https://goo.gl/images/mhNeaP

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  82. I think Marcelo Gandini of Bertone Studio designed this one, too…

    https://goo.gl/images/5elg77

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  83. You bastardo! You know my weak spots.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  84. is that more a ferrari chasis, on first look?

    narciso (732bc0)

  85. La Forza Faza.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbfq5dGQtiQ

    Forza Motorsport 5 – 1975 Fiat X1/9

    And…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Pjo0wDmAg

    FIAT X1/9 [Forza Motorsport 6]

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  86. They’re rioting in Milwaukee after a police shooting.

    And an imam was shot and killed in NYC, and even though they don’t have a suspect, they already “know” it was a hate crime!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  87. the hive mind brooks no dissent, btw, nothing ideological happened in zug,

    narciso (732bc0)

  88. http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/gun-nuts/2013/05/bravest-soldiers-all

    …Possibly the money motivated some, possibly the 30 days furlough. But most likely, it was the knowledge among the Yankee veterans that if they did not see the war through, all their sacrifice to date would be for nothing. It could still be lost. For whatever reason, enough to get the job done signed up again, and it cost a great many the life they had the chance to save.

    The extraordinary bravery of this lies in the fact that they signed the enlistment papers coldly. It was not done in the heat of battle. There were no drums, no bugles, no visions of glory to spur them on. They were walking into a meat grinder, and they knew it. They had been as badly led and as poorly used as any American troops in history, and they went anyway.

    I can’t comprehend that kind of courage; I can only stand in awe of it.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  89. I take my hat off to any soldier or sailor who would let me lead them.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  90. That blue X is a first year example, a 1974. That was my first new car purchase… to this day, the only big ticket purchase I’ve made where I just had to have one from the first time I laid eyes on one. I went from a ’68 Chevy Nova with a 307 (just 200 hp) and a 4 speed to a car that weighed 2,000 lbs, had a high revving SOHC 4 cylinder with only 67 hp, but handled like a Can-Am car. It changed the way I looked at cars and driving from that point on.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. Someone’s description of Hillary: “A stable hand.”

    I don’t agree.

    She isn’t fit

    To shovel shi+

    From one place to another

    As The Sex Pistols put it.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  92. Plus, if Cernovich is right a steady hand is definitely off the table.

    Pinandpuller (c16705)

  93. There’s a whole propaganda machine going. And not just nationally, but, on the part oof the gang, at the local level.

    there is not a shred of evidence in the story that anything happened except this: a gangster kid tagged a building, led police on a chase, and fired at them, ensuring his own demise.

    There’s not a shred of evidence that anybody is denying that.

    Although in fact they may be denying it, but the newspaper didn’t report that, because it is so wrong. They were actally maybe protecting them by not reporting transparent lies. They were being told A version, or severl different versions of the truth (more likely) that was so obviously counter to the facts.

    The newspaper seems to be committed to respecting the vigil. Seventy people were there! How can they say they were all either fools or liars? And a 14-year old is dead. Don’t speak evil of the dead and so on like that.

    If you wanted something favorable r kind to the biy you might expect the spin to be: Very young man gets caught caught up in gang activities, fires a gun at police, tragic.

    This kind of spin was organized to protect the guilty.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  94. PTS (ce7fc3) — 8/13/2016 @ 1:22 pm

    A few days, weeks, months of familial grief does not mitigate or give value to the life of a true thug.

    Seventy people, and a public demonstration, and calling in the press, (they didn’t just happen to be there) and probably people giving varying accounts of how he died, all of them false, so false that the newspaper apparently didn’t even report what they said, is not familial grief!

    It’s an attempt to discourage the police and prosecutors and everybody from going after gang activity. And of course, the underlying crime was just grafitti.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  95. Coronello, what a coincidence. When my grandfather decided he needed to stop driving I inherited his 307 ’68 Nova. Of course being a granddad’s car it had the two speed Powerglide.

    The 307 was no great shakes. It was basically a 283 block with a small journal 327 crank. It was never considered a performance engine by Chevy, although they did make a marine version that had a few more ponies than the automotive versions’ 200. In fact, the small bore meant you couldn’t use 2.02 heads and none of them ever had a four barrel intake from the factory. Even the marine engine still only had a two barrel intake.

    You almost had to wonder what was the point. Why even go to the bother of making the thing? Although if memory serves it had to do with meeting new emissions requirements.

    Let’s just say it isn’t the premier representative of the American V8.

    I know what you mean about the high revving OHC fours. I spent seven years living in Japan so they were really my only option as I wasn’t about to shell out the money for a six cylinder car. Basically we could get the four cylinder cars for free as Japanese law demanded annual road safety inspections after a car was seven years old that were extremely expensive out in town. It was something like a thousand dollars. So most Japanese would keep a new car for about that long, as new cars didn’t require an inspection for the first five years, then didn’t need another inspection for another two years. Some Japanese are gearheads or collectors so it isn’t as if you never see older classics on the road. But like most Americans most Japanese just own cars as a transportation appliance. So it was worth it to pay for that one inspection but they’d unload the car before they needed to pay for the second inspection. Japanese junkyards were full of cars in pristine conditions. Since we could get the inspection done for $25 on base we didn’t care how old they were and the Japanese would rather give us the car than pay a wrecker to take it away. But you couldn’t get something like a Nissan Skyline GT-R for free, though. Those got shipped to Russia.

    My favorite was hands down my ’80s something Nissan Bluebird with the turbo 1.8L and the five speed manual. I don’t think I ever knew exactly what year, because, who cares? Prior to that my only four cylinder experience was with my dad’s Pinto wagon. It was night and day, that Bluebird was a rocket. Unfortunately the cam belt broke and the valves and pistons collided and that was the end of that.

    There were a few people who had cars, jeeps (Mitsubishi had the license from Willy’s Overland and produced a diesel version of the CJ-3 until 1998) and vans (Mitsubishi had a really cool 4wd van that I never understood why it wasn’t exported to the US) worth investing in the maintenance. In addition to the high end or performance Japanese vehicles you could buy American cars and trucks at the exchange, which was a good way to save money as they were tax free and the Navy would ship them back to the US, but like most people I would just put gas into free Japanese cars and drive them until they broke. It speaks well of them that they rarely did. It was sort of traditional that when our reliefs arrived at the end of our tours we would also give them our cars on our way out. After my Nissan broke I got a Toyota that was at least a dozen years old, drove it for another two years, then gave it to my replacement. For all I know it’s still hauling someone around Yokosuka. I never even changed the oil. That Nissan was the only car I had when I was in Japan that ever broke down on me. If you’ve ever seen a typical Japanese urban street you’d understand why I wrecked my first car; unfortunately I can’t see through walls. That’s why the Japanese install convex mirrors on many intersections so you can see if a car is coming, but that intersection didn’t have mirrors.

    Also, here’s a Japanese driving tip. It’s always the American’s fault if they have a wreck with a local. Four Marines were rear ended and killed on New Years Day by a drunk Okinawan. They were sitting at a stop light on their way to work. And the Japanese cops said the Marines were at fault based upon the logic that if the filthy gaijin had stayed home instead of coming to Japan there would have been nothing for drunk Okinawans to run into. I was stationed at Commander, Naval Forces Japan so every time some sailor or marine (or their spouse) had a serious accident resulting in death or serious injury we were always involved. And it was always the American at fault, such as the Chief down at Sasebo who had the green light and was making a right turn when some Japanese teenager riding his moped illegally on the sidewalk slammed into the side of the chief’s van and killed himself, or the petty officer who was leaving Naval Radio Relay Facility Kamiseya, turned left onto Kaigun Doro (Navy Road, named for the fact the Japanese built what must have been the longest stretch of straight road in all of Japan because the imperial navy built a torpedo factory at the end of it) drove close to a mile down the road when some kid on his rice rocket who must have been going 100mph rear ended her, killing himself. Because Kaigun Doro is so long and straight it’s popular with Japanese guys who want to see how fast their car or bike is. And what was the Japanese cops’ decision. She, who had been driving down that road for several minutes after making the left turn onto it, was at fault for “cutting off” the rice rocketeer. But I digress, and nobody reading this is likely to do much driving in Japan.

    So I got the Nissan, and that was the only car that ever broke down on me, but it was also the only high performance car I owned while I was over there.

    This year the Japanese National Police Agency (NPA) decided, for the first time since Japan got it’s first highway in 1963, to raise the speed limits on some (not all) major highways from 100kmh(roughly 62mph) to 120kmhh (roughly 74mph). Most of the highways run through the various Japanese mountain ranges and they won’t see an increase in the speed limit; just the few relatively straight, flat highways. Actually, many of the highways have an 80kmh (roughly 50mph) speed limit. I don’t know if they still do this as I never owned anything close to a new car, but all the cars I had were equipped with a loud, annoying chime so if you drove just a little over the 100kmh speed limit it would start ringing and keep on ringing. It really, really is irritating. Japanese cops aren’t like Italian cops, who look at you like you’re nuts if have a high performance car and aren’t massively exceeding the speed limit. They are zealots when it comes to enforcing the speed limit, and if you exceed it by 30kmh (18mph) or more it’s no longer a traffic violation but a criminal offense and Japanese judges can and do send drivers to prison for it. But most cars aren’t capable of exceeding the speed limit to that extent as the factory equips them with governors. Thanks to the miracle of GPS newer performance cars “know” when you drive onto a race track and the computer shuts the governor off. But then the traffic is such that much of the time you’ll never get close to the posted speed limit. I once spent eight hours in stop and go traffic between Tokyo and Matsumoto. Or, about a 140 mile long traffic jam.

    It’s just not fun to go fast in Japan, and also I’m allergic to prisons. It’s really not a driver’s country, which makes it all the more amazing that they can build such awesome cars (for export). Actually, after having lived in Japan I do understand why many Japanese cars are the way they are. There are exceptions but many of their cars look good on paper when you’re going over the specs, but they’re something of a disappointment when you get behind the wheel. For instance I drove a Toyota Camry SE with the v6/auto (I don’t believe Toyota offers a manual transmission in any version of the Camry with any engine, which should be a hint of where this is going). When you read the specs you get the impression it would be a fun car to drive. The v6 is rated at 268 horsepower and the SE has the “sport tuned” suspension. But it wasn’t all that fun. It had computer-controlled everything and Toyota is excessively cautious when setting the limits. The traction control was particularly annoying as it just wouldn’t let the engine put sufficient power to ground to even approach wheel spin. And there was no way to turn it off nor were there even settings that would allow more aggressive driving. Basically the driver has a vote as to how the car will drive, but the final decision is made by the computer. All in all it didn’t come close to living up to its potential. But it wasn’t built by enthusiasts so they didn’t give it a soul.

    The Japanese can build an enthusiast’s car, but not in my price range. Although that seems to be changing with joint venture Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ. But there was nothing like that when I lived in Japan, and also my price range then was at most a couple of hundred bucks if nothing decent was available for nothing.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)


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