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Not Even Optics Matter In This Election

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:17 pm

[guest post by Dana]

I guess if truth doesn’t matter in this election, why would something as trivial as optics?

Earlier this week, we learned that the pro-Taliban, gay-hating father of Orlando terrorist, Omar Mateen, was given priority seating behind Hillary Clinton during her campaign rally in Kissimmee, Florida. The criticism from Trump, as well as others, was well-deserved. Clinton spent the next day ignoring questions about Mateen even as her campaign tried to brush it off. Finally, she was pressured into publicly disavowing him.

But then this happened:


This, while Trump, with Foley beaming behind him, attacked Clinton about Mateen’s prominence at her rally:

“Wasn’t it terrible when the father of the animal that killed the wonderful people in Orlando was sitting with a big smile on his face right behind Hillary Clinton? And by the way … a lot of the people here — how many of you people know me? A lot of you people know me,” Trump said, addressing the crowd behind him as Foley raised his hand.

“When you get those seats you sort of know the campaign, so when she said, ‘Well, we didn’t know,’ he knew, they knew.”

Dumb, dumb dumb.

(Lest we focus only on Trump’s complete lack of awareness, let’s not forget the left’s brazen double-standard.)

Obviously, comparing a disgraced congressman and a pro-Taliban, gay-hating father of a terrorist who killed 49 individuals is not even on the same level. But, as I’ve repeatedly said: Trump should really stop giving the Democrats and the media so much to work with.


105 Responses to “Not Even Optics Matter In This Election”

  1. Idiots abound.

    Dana (995455)

  2. In one sense Foley’s presence is worse than Mateen.

    The real ground for Trump’s campaign is against the perverted politicians and criminal careerists that dominate the Beltway.

    Fokey,as a flagrant example, should have been told to leave, not allowed to have a prominent seat.

    At first, I thought this was so incompetent that it might have been sabotage. But I was overlooking that Foley’s fall occurred long enough ago that campaign staff might not have recognized the name.

    kishnevi (1e395f)

  3. is that your final answer,

    getting rid of foley, left us with a hack with two mistresses, thankfully he selfdestructed before he did more damage, he did enough voting for obamacare,

    narciso (732bc0)

  4. It’s more than optics. Trump has surrounded himself with low characters all his life.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. There’s a disgraced congressman married to Hill’s gal Huma.

    What difference does it make?

    Oh, and I was reminded today that Carlos Danger was ahead in the polls at one point running for mayor of NYC.

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  6. All my life, I wanted a President who did nothing worse than any New York City Democrat did.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. look at the carp, that was recycled in the 94 governor’s race,

    narciso (732bc0)

  8. BTW, where’s my speech policeman?

    Hey, CS, is it ok if I call Mark Foley a closeted homosexual pedophile?

    nk (dbc370)

  9. I think your choice is simple here, Dana.


    A. DJT is stupid beyond words.


    B. DJT’s entire strategy is to hand the Oval Office to HRC.

    I don’t think that there is much in between.

    This is why so many Trump supporters are so angry. They understand, deep down, the level of sheer incompetence in the Trump campaign…over and over again.

    But who benefits from it?

    DJT’s good friend.

    Simon Jester (ba9f7c)

  10. no, simon, we saw a terrorist, protected by this admininstration, slaughter 49 people, his chief enabler was allowed to get out of the country, his father who likely inculcated this notions is a welcome guest of red queen, and that (redacted) who sits in the oval, used the grief of a victim of this attack as a pitch for gun control. get a clue about what matters.

    narciso (732bc0)

  11. How many of you could pick MF out of a lineup?

    Its not like he’s been on the news lately.

    Speaking of disgraceful congressmen, a Levin caller noted that The Navy is naming a ship for Murtha.

    Sounds like its ripe for some friendly fire incidents.

    Pinandpuller (928ad9)

  12. @10 narciso

    If Corey Levendowsky had detained Mateen’s wife at a rally we’d never have heard the end of it.

    Pinandpuller (a12946)

  13. Mateen’s wife may be in a Navy brig undergoing enhanced interrogation pursuant to the Patriot Act. Or in a Florida swamp, but I consider the first more likely.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. in this administration, shirley you can’t be serious,

    ah the charming mrs. fields, her little tome seems to suffer from zakaria syndrome, trite narratives but mostly plagiarism,

    narciso (732bc0)

  15. Sigh. The reason could be to keep her quiet. Mateen was “not unknown” to the FBI, remember?

    nk (dbc370)

  16. this is an administration where they protected the san bernardino duo’s accessory from arrest,

    narciso (732bc0)

  17. they way they cheered the somelives matter, yet conversely bronx cheered a moment of silence for fallen dallas comrades, is that optics, auditory hallucination or does it matter at all,

    narciso (732bc0)

  18. I hope she’s getting waterboarded with Coca Cola like they do in Mexico.

    According to Joseph Wambaugh a Mexican prison riot came under control when a beverage truck showed up and started unloading cases of Coke.

    Pinandpuller (c16705)

  19. The truth, you can’t handle the truth!

    I think Trump was making a point, and as usual those with their own agenda cannot understand, I mean are incapable of understanding, anything beyond.

    Say, did you know Christ had sinners at his ralley’s, and He forgave and accepted them? He didn’t deny the their existence?

    OK, I’m sure now you nevertrumpers are flinging holy water around and moaning for the good Lord to protect you from the blasphemy of comparing Trump to Christ, but that’s not what I’m doing. I’m contrasting the Christian perspective with, well, Hillary, who’s first instinct is always to lie, even when the truth sounds better.

    It takes a real Christian to discern these things, a hater cannot. I really believe this is the point Trump makes, even if Trump himself doesn’t fully understand it.

    OK, I’ve set myself up for devastating attacks, go!

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  20. Narciso, my friend, we don’t disagree. Mark Foley is just some perve.

    But here is the thing. DJT is supposed to be all smart. He hired “the best people.”


    After HRC’s terrible optics, any decent organization would have vetted EVERY. FREAKING. PERSON. IN. CAMERA. VIEW. WITH. TRUMP.

    The press were going to be looking for people in the shot with DJT. Right? That’s the game plan, year after year.

    Here is the thing. The meme warefare is all about claiming equivalence. No, they aren’t equivalent. But think about what the press hammers on, every single day. What the late night comics hammer on, every single day.

    Who are these jokers running DJT’s campaign?

    Unless, of course, it’s part of his plan.

    Simon Jester (ba9f7c)

  21. “… is not even on the same level.”

    You know that, but you still do it.

    Trump’s not the one playing the Democrat’s game. YOU are.

    tom swift (be1908)

  22. But I was overlooking that Foley’s fall occurred long enough ago that campaign staff might not have recognized the name.

    If this is true, kishnevi, then it again points to the amateurish not-ready-for-prime-time campaign Trump is running.

    Dana (995455)

  23. and they would make it about something else, simon, I don’t know what was the ultimate deal with foley, although the coda with hastert suggests there was more smoke than fire,

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. LBascom, I think Hillary was knowingly pandering to Muslims with Mateen’s father there. I don’t believe Trump was pandering to pervs. She’s that calculating and devious. He’s, well, he’s just Trump.

    Dana (995455)

  25. of course, and her cigar store indian, has a history of courting salafi, including the big dog, the godfather of the ikwan infrastructure in the states,

    narciso (732bc0)

  26. now I haven’t liked him since 2000,

    I don’t know why others trust him,

    narciso (732bc0)

  27. Politics makes strange bedfellows, eh, LBascom?

    nk (dbc370)

  28. What’s the current protocol at rallies these days?

    I saw Reagan at our local airport in ’84 and Quayle at our CC in ’92.

    All I can remember is going thru metal detectors and a lot of SS scrutiny.

    Do you have to show I.D. Or what?

    Pinandpuller (0845e7)

  29. seriously, did they learn nothing from ghost busters, rhetorical,

    narciso (732bc0)

  30. Dana,

    It’s easier to try and imagine the blow off of the con than it is to imagine the existence of an actual campaign. Although he cannot use GE contributions to repay primary loans and he can’t use campaign money forpersonal expenses he has probably banked enough by now to quit and claim it didn’t cost him a dime. He can set up a PAC and filter the money back to his businesses without much strain.

    Rick Ballard (d51940)

  31. Clever, nk.

    LBascom (0b9b35)

  32. we’ve seen many simulacrum of campaigns, maverick and mittens, with apologies to grand duke potemkin,

    narciso (732bc0)

  33. So the latest pay for play emails and the fact that peoples working at the State department looking for someone to run the Big foundation isn’t news worthy? I was hoping for some great commentary about that stuff. Not hey look who was their and their… Oh well.

    Msl (a8c328)

  34. I tried two threads ago, they prefer the miguelito lovelace anklebiting routine,

    narciso (732bc0)

  35. consider whose running a real campaign she garnered maybe 300 out a thousand, in a similar venue, trump had 8,000 supporters, same in sunrise, abington, miami,

    narciso (732bc0)

  36. Yes, yes, we know that you all have different priorities, which can only be addressed by a piece of New York sewer flotsam. Who cares about morals, or ethics, or character, or temperament, or the dignity of the Office of the President? Those are like so quaintsville, dude.

    nk (dbc370)

  37. “Mark Foley” 29k returns on a news search.

    “Omar Mateen” 1,080k returns.

    Mark Foley’s disgrace was due to homosexuality, what many in the country don’t consider a resigning offense. This particular gay, if he had come out forthrightly, most likely would have been re-elected.

    Highly hypocritical of the Dems, featuring the living reminder of a gay massacre
    at their campaign stop,

    While Trump features Foley, hounded out of office on account the Dems needed a get out the vote push in a midterm.

    I like those optics. Farking brilliant actually.

    Like a meteor shower —– Tonight Perseid’s

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  38. I think Trump did oversee the placement of Mark Foley at the stump. Probably called him on the phone and said “Come on down. We need you at a prominent spot behind the dias.”

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  39. Rubbing our noses in it, you think, papertiger? Or is it just that he himself cannot climb out of the sewer?

    nk (dbc370)

  40. And it’s neat how you left out that Foley was soliciting teenage Congressional pages.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. Did he though? The way I remember it the incriminating email was to an 20 something page, the scandalous bit being Foley’s position of power over the page, rather than underage illegality.

    And Foley was brought down over his emails – rightly or wrongly interpreted.

    How’s that for optics versus the lawlessness of the red queen, and her much more consequential and extensive email scandals.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  42. Let her bring Foley’s appearance up on camera, if she dares.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  43. nk,

    Wasn’t the Congressional page over the age of 18 at the time?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  44. MsL and narciso,

    I wrote about Hillary this week and a commenter expressed something to the effect of “big deal, yet another Hillary corruption story”. I think people just expect whatever next layer of corruption is exposed, and there doesnt really seem to be much left to say.

    Dana (995455)

  45. what matters dana, what lasts, instead of what is momentary chortle or something,

    narciso (732bc0)

  46. They know who we are. A nation of cowards unable or unwilling to act in our own defense. Because that might make our abusive Muslim spouse violent.

    Let me guess, you didn’t know you were married to Islamic rage boy. But I digress.

    And deservedly so. We all know Christians+high horses=we deserve it. Blah, blah, blah.

    So, cowards, welcome to the whirled where optics don’t matter. Nobody, not even your enemies, are trying to pretend anymore.

    Steve57 (3ee6a4)

  47. And it’s neat how you left out that Foley was soliciting teenage Congressional pages.

    nk (dbc

    I think you liberal Democrats call that a Saturday night.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  48. well dillinger, as I dubbed him, put his significant other in at fannie mae, and was a protector even after the subprime bubble burst,

    narciso (732bc0)

  49. There was more than one, they were teenagers when he solicited them, and it was going on for ten years. And can you guess who was Speaker at the time?

    nk (dbc370)

  50. I think you liberal Democrats call that a Saturday night at Haiku’s house.


    nk (dbc370)

  51. Big nothing. Foley was “disgraced” because the Republicans were in the fit of a moral panic and threw him overboard. Threw away his seat too. What did he do that was so terrible? He propositioned former pages, when they were no longer under his authority in any way, and of legal age. That’s certainly not illegal, and I don’t see how it’s even unethical. Is it also unethical for a teacher to date a former student, or a manager a former subordinate? At worst his behavior was unseemly. But the GOP was trying to appear purer than pure, so out he had to go.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  52. they were teenagers when he solicited them

    No, they weren’t. He got to know them when they were pages, and kept in touch with them, but didn’t start anything sexual until later.

    Milhouse (5a188d)

  53. You so crazy, nk. Don’t forget teh safe sex, you don’t need another case of anthrax.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  54. I’m still struck how a page kerfluffle, still got 29 times, more hits than a terrorist attack on our own shores, mind you that wasn’t how it was played,

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. Ten years of emails. Egad!

    How is it that Foley’s private emails, which he has the right to privacy, are open fodder for the world?

    Sounds like a crime.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  56. Lets say Foley’s placement wasn’t an accident, good move?

    Think Trump is making a run for the San Francisco vote?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  57. papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/11/2016 @ 10:12 pm

    Think Trump is making a run for the San Francisco vote?

    Well, he is. He;s been very clear about that. Except it can’t be precisely San Francisco because he knows he can’t carry California. He’s thinking in terms of national polling, although, when he discusses strategy with his advisers, he thinks by state, and that’s why he’s campaigning only in certain states. That’s why both he and Hillary were in Florida.

    As for what’s going on here, sabotage is definitely a possibility. And only maybe one key person would have to be involved in the sabotage.

    And what was this question Trump asked? Did he ask how many people know him? It should be rather, how many people he – Donald Trump – knows. Of course he (Trump) wouldn’t recognize many people he has talked to over the years.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  58. Msl (a8c328) — 8/11/2016 @ 8:52 pm

    What we’ve got is a few scattered pieces of the jigsaw puzzle, and there’s not much of a picture visible with that yet. Except that Hillary Clinton was running at least a part time political office out of the State Department. And not Obama’s politics and patronage. Hers.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  59. HELLO???? HELLOOOOO??????? Who is CHELSEA “LEATHER PANTS” dead animals CLINTON “MEZVINSKY”……………..married to??????? Who is CHELSEA MEZVINSKY’S …….FATHER IN LAW.

    Former Congressman??? DISGRACED??????

    Wtf is wrong with this COUNTRY???

    This is EXAMPLE #1 of the MFM creating the narative. What CRIME did Mark Foley become CONVICTED OF????? What CRIME was he CHARGED WITH????

    GUS (30b6bd)


    GUS (30b6bd)

  61. “I am not a slut! She is even more pregnant!”

    nk (dbc370)

  62. papertiger (c2d6da) — 8/11/2016 @ 10:09 pm

    How is it that Foley’s private emails, which he has the right to privacy, are open fodder for the world?

    Sounds like a crime.

    Well, that’s not the only thing.

    There was Newt Gingrich’s intercepted telephone call in 1998, the secret recording of Mitt Romney (saying 47%) in 2012, and now, in 2016, somebody probably obtained Melania Trump’s immigration file, a serious violation of the Privacy Act – only they can’t leak it because it is a very serious violation of the Privacy Act and Obama would investigate it and not cover it up. That won’t be leaked any more than anyone will leak Donald Trump’s tax returns.

    They can only use the information in Melania Trump’s immigration file to try to cause the problem to be discovered. They know what to look for.

    Bill Clinton’s passport file was pre-emptively not really looked at in 1992, and nobody really knows what was in it.

    The problem wasn’t that it would show some connection to the Communist Party or the KGB or something, because it wouldn’t show that even f there was one.

    Probably the real problem with Bill Clinton’s passport file was his date of birth.

    Which was probably originally different than the one he has used ever since late 1969. I highly suspect he changed his date of birth after the draft lottery of December 1, 1969. Because Bill Clinton was connected enough, and Hot Springs Arkansas corrupt enough still in 1969, to do that.

    He’s the only politician in the 1980 Almanac of American Politics without a date of birth, only a month “August, 1946.”

    It is Bill Clinton’s birth certicate – the original one – that everybody should have been interested in. Or what day he used to celebrate as his birthday when he was in high school.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  63. 50. It sometimes takes information you learn years later for something to become more clear.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  64. Don’t ask me how exactly Bill Clinton could have changed his date of birth in December 1969. But that he could do it, I don’t want to question too much.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  65. Mark Foley was flirting with an intern.
    Bill Clinton was touching, cigaring, and Jiping on an intern.
    Bill Clinton’s “WIFE” does not seem to OBJECT to William J Clinton, EJACUTATING on a YOUNG INTERNS BLUE or BLEW dress.
    Could someone remind me of what Mark Foley did????//

    GUS (30b6bd)

  66. EJACUTATING!!! Whatever it takes.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  67. Remember back when us old farts kept saying that our education system was AFU? This is the result.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  68. It is really too bad that Hillary is running unopposed.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  69. Kevin M, I’m sorry partner, but I don’t know you. Has it ever occurred to you that RODHAM cannot run at all??? I mean, Rodham has some illnesses that preclude her from even WALKING much.
    I’m not sure I got your point, but Rodham is NOT WELL. I certainly pray for her, and I will also wish her well in her retirement. In prison.
    Hillary Rodham is a filthy dishonest pig. But I do pray for her health.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  70. Sammy Finkelman

    Didn’t the guy who looked up Bill Clinton’s passport die suddenly?

    That place has more leaks than the roof of Vince Foster’s mouth.

    Pinandpuller (ce7737)

  71. C’mon, Patrick. There is no parallel here. Foley’s son didn’t slaughter a crowd of people.

    creeper (0b142a)

  72. A.B.Stoddard, late of the Hill, now Real Clear:

    #nevertrump may stll be talking but no one listens to codgers’ dribbling.

    DNF (755a85)

  73. 77.

    In the old days, the television news used to have a one-minute segment at the end of a local newscast where they’d have someone at the station announce the station’s editorial position on a subject. They told you straight-up where they, as an institution, came down on an issue.

    They dropped this practice. Under fire from conservatives for bias, they tried to obliterate every overt, honest expression of opinion on an issue. So they stopped announcing their official position. To hide, to disguise their actual position.

    But they still wanted to get their opinion out there.

    So they simply started smuggling it into their news coverage.

    But that wasn’t the worst of it. The worst was this:

    If you’re not going to admit, for example, that you disagree with the Tea Party on ideological grounds, and yet you still wish to undermine them, you have no choice left but to simply attack them on a personal level.

    DNF (755a85)

  74. Mark Foley was obscenely all up into Meghan’s cowardly disgrace-to-the-uniform daddy’s “Republican Main Street Partnership”

    definitely not a good person

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  75. “#nevertrump may stll be talking but no one listens to codgers’ dribbling”, said a 67-year old anonymous commenter on Patterico’s Pontifications. “It’s a disgrace”, he continued. “I try to tell them that Zerohedge is The Way and The Light, and Donald Trump the Savior, but nobody wants to listen to a grouchy old man. They just say ‘Sit here by the fire, grandpa, and we’ll bring you a nice bowl of vegetable soup. It’s easy to chew and good for the digestion.'”

    nk (dbc370)

  76. It is still going to be Hillary or Donald sworn in Jan 2017.

    cedarhill (69fdd2)

  77. It was a little creepy for a Congressman in his early 50s to be sending suggestive messages to a 19 or 20-ish year old Congressional page, but it’s not a crime to be “creepy.”
    The reason the GOP threw Foley under the bus is that it was an election year and they didn’t want the MSM to use the Foley issue as a national wedge issue.
    The GOP lost that cycle big time, anyhow.
    Also, there seems to be a real animosity toward gays by some people on our side of the aisle. We’ve got people characterizing Foley as a “pedophile” even though the young men he pursued were apparently of majority age.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  78. Trump should really stop giving the Democrats and the media so much to work with.

    If Jesus Christ returned to Earth and ran for president as a Republican, the Democrats and the MSM would be attacking him as sexist, homophobic, racist and a religious fundamentalist.

    gahrie (12cc0f)

  79. Also, there seems to be a real animosity toward gays by some people on our side of the aisle.


    That moniker, originally CRUZ SUPPORTER, never did quite ring true.

    Although “animosity” is overstatement. Even “disapproval” is too strong. Let’s say “non-approval”.

    nk (dbc370)

  80. foley was only a “disgraced congressman” because he was/is(?) republican. If he was a democrat he would be a hero and potentially an elder statesman.

    Jim (a9b7c7)

  81. Narcisso@55 – you mis-read the numbers.

    This whole effort to try to argue that candidates are responsible for the viewpoints of every person who appears in a photo with them at a public rally is completely stupid.

    Jonny Scrum-half (f266c1)

  82. Foley and the local GOP bigwigs he was sitting with behind Trump knew he’d be noticed. Were they trying to help or hurt?

    crazy (fcf2fd)

  83. “It was a little creepy for a Congressman in his early 50s to be sending suggestive messages to a 19 or 20-ish year old Congressional page, but it’s not a crime to be “creepy.”

    – Cruz Supporter

    Try 16 and 17 year old pages. He had sex with the 19 or 20-ish pages.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  84. 74. Pinandpuller (ce7737) — 8/12/2016 @ 2:38 am

    Sammy Finkelman

    Didn’t the guy who looked up Bill Clinton’s passport die suddenly?

    No, I think the person who looked it up – actually maybe didn’t look it up – was a woman. She was fired. I always suspected, from the way it played out, that she was a double agent, who made motions to look at the passport file to make sure nobody else did. Ross Perot’s passport file was also looked at.

    Oh I see.

    The name of the woman was Elizabeth Tamposi, a patronage appointment from John Sununu’s New Hampshire, but the actual person who carried out the search, on her instructions, was Steven M. Moheban. Elizabeth Tamposi, according to Wikipedia, said she was asked to search the files by White House aide Stephen K. Berry to check for a possible letter by Bill Clinton renouncing his citizenship, or inquiring about doing so. The Inspector General was told all sorts of conflicting stories, and could not sort out the truth.

    I think Elizabeth Tamposi later went bankrupt (not 100% sure it was her) and also lost her inheritance because she challenged her father’s will. Steven Moheban is still alive, and practicing law in New Hampshire and Massachusetts, it seems. Stephen K. Berry is also still alive, and president of the Rural Cellular Association, and also works for Bank of America/Merrill Lynch. Nobody died.

    And now, yesterday, I was thinking again about what would be in that passport file that would be damaging to Bill Clinton. I think this could be because his passport file would have contained the date he would have given as his date of birth before December 1, 1969, the day of the first draft lottery. You wouldn’t learn who paid for his trip, etc, from the passport file.

    I suspect his pre-December 1, 1969 date of birth was differentt than what it is now, which is August 19, 1946. That date of birth actually raises all sorts of questions. His mother’s husband, who died mysteriously in a one-car accident, was not re-united with his wife until December 7, 1945. (a date I read along time ago. Christopher Ruddy may have been leaked misleading information making it later than Dec. 7)

    That date of Dec 7 – when William Jefferson Blythe Jr arrived in Chicago (there were close ties between Hot Springs and Chicago by the way – Chicago was the headquarters of the Outfit and the big big boss resided in Hot Springs, Arkansas, where he ran the whole show till the end of 1946 and again during the 1950s*) would necessarily make William Jeferson Blythe III a trifle premature, but reporters asked around in 1993 and 1994 and all people said that he wasn’t. (saying that he was, of course, would raise other issues and create a complication – what kind of treatment he had etc, and it would have raised these questions early in his life too.) There is an obvious possible explanation but it’s probably wrong, and in any case a too early birth would have had to be noted.

    There’s much confusion and disinformation

    A reader writes:

    This is from the article from London Times for 1/5/99 by Damian Whitworth: (excerpt from article) Virginia, Bill’s mother, said that Bill was born prematurely after she suffered a fall. But when Vanity Fair tracked down the midwife, she denied he was born prematurely. “Not at that weight. I remember he was a nice size baby, between eight and nine pounds”. (end of excerpt). (My note – this would appear to be yet more evidence that Blythe was not the father of Bill). In the Vortex article (previous email), it indicates that Tyrrell (“Boy Clinton”) theorizes that “one of Virginia’s family or friends at the county morgue found (Blythe who had died recently) and “married” (Virginia) to Blythe”. FYI.

    I think at least part of the answer is that the original date of birth was correct – there’d be no reason to fake it – but that it was changed or “corrected” in 1969.

    Bill Clinton traveled to the Soviet Union before the draft lottery so his passport file would have contained a previous date of birth, if there was one, and maybe a notice of correction.

    If this is so, of course, after Bill Clinton became president, this was probably all taken care of, and the records cleaned up, although probably not without leaving a trace visible to the discerning eye.

    * A lot of people associated with the machine in Hot Springs Arkansas and related criminal activities, moved to Hope, Arkansas, during the interregnum. So it could be maybe you could say: They may have lost Hot Springs, but there still was Hope.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  85. That place has more leaks than the roof of Vince Foster’s mouth.

    What place?

    Anyway, the point is, that this account in the New Republic dated MArch 14, 1994, of the reason why Saudi Arabian Ambassador to the United States Prince Bandar bin Sultan had a secret unscheduled meeting with President Clinton and Sandy Berger sometime in July 1993, is probably a Vincent Foster case leak.

    Prince Bandar has to be one of the top suspects in Vincent Foster’s death, because he lived right next to Fort Marcy Park and officials would go to meet him there, and the explanation for his meeting not only probably doesn’t really check out, but the White House – and the leak could have come from no other place – takes back its explanation in the same article. It cautions against generalizing too much, or at all, yet at the start of the artivle it is touted as an example!

    And the leak happened right at the same time as several known Foster case leaks happened.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)

  86. 88. crazy (fcf2fd) — 8/12/2016 @ 7:50 am

    Foley and the local GOP bigwigs he was sitting with behind Trump knew he’d be noticed. Were they trying to help or hurt?

    Foley trying to help himself. Somebody else who knew who he was? That could be hurt.

    Sammy Finkelman (490095)


    Gus. I’m taking a shine to you. Buddy.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  88. Leviticus spurned Foley’s advances after he discovered it wasn’t Matt Foley…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  89. What’s your goddamn problem, Haiku?

    Hey, Leviticus? You know why Haiku always has sex on his mind? Cause Milo Yiannopoulos won’t give it to him where he really wants it.

    nk (dbc370)

  90. Just having some fun, Goatboy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. Leviticus has done nothing to provoke that kind of “fun”.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. You seem to have a fixation on this Milo fella, nk. Must be the 13th time you’ve mentioned him. Is he another goatherd?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  93. Virtue-signaling!… Live from Chicago!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  94. yes, it seems like a prince albert in a can, rally on her part,

    narciso (732bc0)

  95. Neither have most of the people who support the Trump candidacy, but that hasn’t seemed to stop you from your whining.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  96. this is when personal entanglements become policy,

    narciso (732bc0)

  97. Calling out an [vulgar word for anus] for being an [vulgar word for anus] is not virtue signalling. And if you have a beef with my whining, why the gratuitous dirty cracks to Leviticus?

    nk (dbc370)

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