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7/17/2016

Three Police Officers Killed in Baton Rouge

Filed under: General — JVW @ 10:01 am



[guest post by JVW]

It’s getting worse and worse out there for police. Three Baton Rouge Police Department officers were shot and killed earlier today. They were responding to reports of a man who was “shooting indiscriminately when he walked out between a convenience store and car wash across from Hammond Air Plaza,” according to eyewitness accounts provided to a local radio station. When police arrived, at least two other suspects opened fire, suggesting that this was a coordinated ambush.

Baton Rouge, of course, was the site of the July 5 shooting of Alton Sterling as he was being arrested for illegally selling movies and compact discs.

Here is the link to Twitter moments for this developing story for those who like to follow the news that way.

– JVW

193 Responses to “Three Police Officers Killed in Baton Rouge”

  1. One suspect is reported dead, and two others are believed to be at large.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  2. In addition to the three dead officers, three others are reported to be wounded. Here’s hoping the wounds are not life-threatening.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  3. There should be a change in police culture.

    Specifically, this thing where police officers are reluctant to use appropriate force against a violent black suspect because their lives will be ruined if there is a fatal shoot needs to stop.

    Blacks are 1/8 of the population. They are 2/5 of the cop killers. They commit about 1/2 the total violent crime, and more than half of the murders. Cops are people too and should be able to apply their policing in a race-neutral way. This means they should not allow themselves to be murdered because they are afraid to use appropriate force with a black suspect.

    Cops go into communities all across the country and, at great risk to themselves, save black lives every day. The terrorist organization Black Lives Matter, with this complicit President and Attorney General among others, have effectively forced cops to pull back on policing. This has cost many black lives.

    Chicago alone is on track this year for over a thousand more people, mostly black people, shot this year than last year, and over 200 more fatal shootings than last year.

    Black Lives Matter is killing innocent black people, destabilizing the United States, and murdering cops as well.

    Oh, and blacks disproportionately, and by a lot, are perpetrators rather than victims in interracial crime. Most black people are not criminals, but too many are, and THEY need to be the ones to do the improving and, in the interim, the apologizing.

    Why should a group that does far less crime constantly have to apologize to the group which does more?

    RIP to these brave and decent officers and pray for the best for their families.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  4. ABC News Tweets that the President has been briefed on the developments in Baton Rouge and that the White House is offering assistance to local officials.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  5. “Chaos umpire sits And by decision more embroils the fray by which he reigns”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  6. Time for the famous obama beer summit.

    mg (31009b)

  7. Time for the police at the next memorial to turn their backs as Obama speaks.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  8. Greetings, mg: ( @ (31009b) – 7/17/2016 @ 10:29 am )

    Shouldn’t that be malt liquor at this point ???

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  9. Eight years on, it seems like they’re doing crack.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  10. I am on the cusp, the knife’s edge, of saying very unkind things about BLM.

    No, I am not joking. I am the kind of guy who has to follow up his words with action. Otherwise I can’t look at myself shaving the next morning.

    My “Brush With Greatness” in the Navy came when, after I was mobilized in 2001, they needed somebody to be an advisor to the Filipino armed forces They needed an LT/LCDR who had certain specified fleet experience and had curriculum development experience to ride along with the Filipino navy and marines, advise as they conducted counter-terror ops against the various Moros, and a few other odds and ends. I checked all the blocks. So I identified myself. I volunteered to go.

    Better me than someone who had never been there.

    I was a naval reservist activated after 9/11. Letting me go would be an admission on the command’s part that they didn’t really need reserve augmentation. The word came down from the Chief of Staff. I would not volunteer for that job or any other job.

    But you know what else came with it? Respect. As one O-6 on the staff put it to me, a lot of guys claim special skills such as language when it means special pay. Then those special skills go absent when it’s time to put them to use and, possibly, their owner at risk. I had to their complete shock done the opposite. Basically they went out with their general call for aid in complete confidence nobody would be stupid enough to answer the call for volunteers. The plan being they’d put out the call, no one would roger up, and they’d pick some a$$hat and execute sentence.

    Navy meaning Never. Again. Volunteer. Yourself.

    They didn’t figure on me, though. They thought I was there for the same reason they were. To hide out.

    Probably the biggest thing I gained was a friendship with the one Marine tanker on staff. Just by that one small act, raising my hand and saying “I’d be perfect for that job, send me” I had identified as a kindred spirit in one small way. I was doing staff duty in Japan, and I’d rather be somewhere else.

    That and being able to sleep with a clear conscience.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  11. BLM and its supporters spend all their time defending criminals. They aren’t interested in having any civil solution. Not once have I heard them say to not resist police, to follow orders of law enforcement, and abide by the law.

    Dejectedhead (8d99ed)

  12. They’re terrorists and should be treated as such, crushed with force, their supporters imprisoned.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  13. 12. If for no other reason than as a vividly frightening show and tell for the “capital T” terrorists.

    urbanleftbehind (f44868)

  14. If Beau Biden truly loved this country, time for his father to honor his memory and go Brutus.

    urbanleftbehind (f44868)

  15. You are correct, 11b40. Schlitz, Colt 45?

    mg (31009b)

  16. Big Bear, though it was discontinued in 2012. Don’t destroy my appreciation of Mando Calrissian.

    urbanleftbehind (f44868)

  17. This is old, and not exactly on topic, but fits the general view at the moment:

    http://conservativetribune.com/truth-about-black-crime/

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  18. MD, are you aware of any jurisdiction on Earth where black people commit less violent crime? Or the same amount of violent crime? Or nearly the same amount of violent crime?

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  19. We can be sure of one thing … the President has acted stupidly.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  20. “They’re terrorists and should be treated as such”

    Well, the action itself is of course disgusting and horrible, but I think we need to start treading a lot more cautiously about using this word “terrorist”. Natch I disapprove of the violent and idiotic BLM routine, and if you wanted to get academic about it, “terrorist” would not be out of the question. But words are political footballs as well as descriptors, and if we keep carelessly labeling every outrage the work of “terrorists” then pretty soon we’ll all be terrorists, from one perspective or another. (Think of a world where imaginary Rolling Stone frat-boy gang-rapists who don’t really exist mean that all white college frat-boys are suddenly “terrorists”. Hysteria can be a very fast-spreading disease, and most people don’t stop to think, which is how you prevent it.)

    Think of the different ideas of “terror”: there are simple ones like the old IRA [not the later incarnation, who are just bonkers], who simply wanted a specific, stolen piece of real estate returned (Brendan Behan, one of the funniest and most humane writers of the 20th century, was under this definition a “terrorist”). What they were conducting was simple asymmetrical warfare against a far larger power. Same could be said of the old-fashioned PLO, who also simply wanted a specific piece of real estate back. Though PLO tactics were not merely impractical, but also insane. Michael Collins mostly won his fight, Yasser Arafat did not. But both of them, if they had won their local scuffle, would have then declared victory and gone home.

    You can’t say that about the Red Brigades, Shining Path, al-Qaeda or ISIS or Bill Ayers or Eldridge Cleaver, who all have/had world-altering, civilization-destroying ambitions. It’s another kettle of fish. What sort of words do we use to make these distinctions?

    Were the guys who opened fire at Lexington and Concord “terrorists”?

    I’m not trying to defend BLM or these hideous shootings. I’m just trying to say, be careful with words. There are people in the world who say things like the Tea Party are terrorists, who are not laughed out of town. Slippery slopes and all that jazz.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  21. Terrorists. Crush them.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  22. From Allen West:

    “Black Lives Matter issues HUGE threat if Trump is elected”

    “If Donald Trump becomes President, you are fooling yourself if you think we’re far from having a coup our own selves,” [BLM activist Shaun] King tweeted. “I’m dead serious.”

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  23. If TEA partiers start calling for the deaths of individuals in no uncertain terms I’ll start taking this false moral equivalence seriously.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  24. ^

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  25. I linked that because I thought it was a particularly poignant example of getting back in the face of the BLM crowd in a verbal exchange.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  26. “this false moral equivalence seriously.”

    It’s not moral equivalence. It’s not even moral. It’s just linguistics.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  27. “Today’s episode of ‘Gunplay, USA’ is brought to you by, the National Rifle Association. The NRA, where the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.”

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  28. For the umpteenth time:

    Ladies and gentlemen, we are in a war. Pretend otherwise at your own peril.

    Deuce Frehley (73c323)

  29. @Steve57 — I think you’re misunderstanding me. My point is not a moral one or a political one. It’s just that Mencken as usual was right: American political discourse is observably very careless, lazy and shallow. (Choose your poison: “You’re a raaaacist! A fascist! A Commie pinko! A naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews!”) None of these words has a precise meaning, or even a remotely rational one, in the way they get thrown around. (For instance, for our purposes in American discourse, “fascist” has effectively come to mean “anything the hard Left doesn’t like.” Which is of course a rabidly stupid understanding.) I was against “gay marriage” not because I dislike gay people or want to deny gay people domestic happiness, but because if we start arbitrarily changing the meanings of words to suit us on a whim, we walk into a conceptual minefield and we have no idea what will happen next.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  30. My senator, Cornyn has introduced legislation to make killing a police officer a federal crime. I despise the notion and I’ll tell you why (as if there was any doubt I’d tell you what I think). There is no need for such a law. Killing a a police officer should be, if it isn’t already, a capital crime in every state. It is in Texas. Is somebody more dead under federal law than they are under state law?

    Steve57 (193d96)

  31. ^

    The Democrat Party had the bright idea to elect and nominate a man whose political mentor founded a domestic terrorist organization which bombed the Pentagon and whose political mentor’s wife went to prison for her part in murdering two Chicago police officers to fund the domestic terrorist organization.

    This is what we get.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  32. If the choice in this election is “corrupt status quo” versus “kick over the table”, I’d go with the latter.

    My problem with Trump has always been Trump, not his basic message (both parties have lost their way). Now, maybe he’s like the Danny DeVito character in “Other People’s Money” and the 4th-grade “intellect” is all to fool the rubes, but he sure does come off like a ignorant, shallow and somewhat retarded rich guy who thinks his sh1t doesn’t stink. Which is off-putting.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  33. hunson abedeer, just so you know, I wasn’t accusing or suspecting you of anything.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  34. If the choice in this election is “corrupt status quo” versus “kick over the table”, I’d go with the latter.

    My problem with Trump has always been Trump, not his basic message (both parties have lost their way). Now, maybe he’s like the Danny DeVito character in “Other People’s Money” and the 4th-grade “intellect” is all to fool the rubes, but he sure does come off like a ignorant, shallow and somewhat slow rich guy who thinks his sh1t doesn’t stink. Which is off-putting.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  35. hunson’s points came from a good place. He’s just wrong. BLM is a domestic terrorist movement.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  36. Off-putting vs. national security criminal, Hillary Clinton. I’ll go with the former, even if it is off-putting.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  37. And hey, if Trump screws up too bad, he can always be bipartisanly impeached and replaced with Mike Pence.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  38. 29. If that is the case (a capital crime in every state, per state statute/criminal code) it is nothing more than grandstanding. Cornyn is always being accused of RINOsity, so he’s doing a little show out. Though I would not be surprised if there were some laggard states, particularly the sagebrush rebellion states out West and more recently liberal states in the east.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  39. Once again.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  40. I don’t know why Cornyn thinks killing a police officer should be a federal crime since police officers are not federal employees.
    God, he was on the Texas Supreme Court, yet he seems to be confused about what’s federal jurisdiction VS what’s state jurisdiction.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  41. 33.hunson’s points came from a good place. He’s just wrong. BLM is a domestic terrorist movement.

    I agree with hunson, Denver Guy. The reason is that BLM is a gang like La Raza Nation or MS-13 so they are domestic criminals or a criminal organization. Home grown jihadists and jihadist infiltrators and immigrants and refugees are part of an international terrorist organization or cartel. It is best to distinguish between the two or you’ll have the democrats referring to the GOP, the NRA and National Right To Life as terrorists. Remember how “hate speech” and “hate crimes” started and now you call somebody an a-hole and it’s hate speech.

    Beside, Bush started the whole thing by not calling a moslem jihadist what they were after 9/11. He called them “terrorists” because he didn’t want to hurt all those millions of moslems in the religion of peace’s feelings. Terrorism is a tactic not an army or an enemy. Islam is the enemy, terrorism is their tactic.

    Words mean things. Lets keep the criminals, criminals and the terrorists, terrorists.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  42. I know it’s a small thing, but still. If we are to pretend words mean things:

    http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/WorldWarIILeaders/p/World-War-Ii-Korean-War-Lieutenant-General-Lewis-Chesty-Puller.htm

    Coming under intense attack, Puller won a Bronze Star when he signaled USS Monssen to aid in rescuing trapped American forces. In late October, Puller’s battalion played a key role during the Battle of Guadalcanal. Holding back massive Japanese attacks, Puller won a third Navy Cross for his performance, while one his men, Staff Sergeant John Basilone, received the Medal of Honor. After the division left Guadalcanal, Puller was made executive officer of the 7th Marine Regiment. In this role, he took part in the Battle of Cape Gloucester in late 1943 and early 1944.

    So, Puller “won” a Navy Cross as if this is something that spills out of a Pinata if you beat it enough.

    And for what? For signalling the Monssen, as if the crew of the Monssen
    deserve nothing for replying to the signal. Also, you wouldn’t know from the
    write up, this is the action in which Douglas Munro lost his life and became
    the first and only Coastie to EARN the Medal of Honor.

    Pretty f***ing disgusted this day our year of Our Lord 2016.

    P.S. I’d bet if Chesty Puller had lived to see this day he’d feel pretty much like I do.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  43. …Beside, Bush started the whole thing by not calling a moslem jihadist what they were after 9/11. He called them “terrorists” because he didn’t want to hurt all those millions of moslems in the religion of peace’s feelings. Terrorism is a tactic not an army or an enemy. Islam is the enemy, terrorism is their tactic.

    Words mean things. Lets keep the criminals, criminals and the terrorists, terrorists.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6) — 7/17/2016 @ 12:51 pm

    It’s more than what you say. The Islamic State is not a thing but an idea.

    Sincerely, just some idiot.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  44. I agree with you about that Steve57. I always hear people say this guy or that guy “won” this or that medal. They didn’t “win” crap! They earned it. War isn’t a damn video game. When you stop to realize what these men went through to earn and be awarded the recognition of a medal the hair stands up on the back of your neck. Just ask yourself: “What would I have done”. That helps you understand the valor of these men in battle. It’s against human nature.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  45. How many more, Mr. Speaker, How many more?

    mg (31009b)

  46. Would you please elaborate on what you mean by “The Islamic State is not a thing but an idea”.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  47. “Would you please elaborate on what you mean by “The Islamic State is not a thing but an idea”.

    Heh, I’ll make it even more confusing for ya. Daesh is a reification.

    Lose some sleep!

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  48. Denver Guy (21d3a4) — 7/17/2016 @ 11:34 am

    are you aware of any jurisdiction on Earth where black people commit less violent crime? Or the same amount of violent crime? Or nearly the same amount of violent crime?

    less crime tahn in the United States?

    Most places except maybe for South Africa.

    Than other groups? That used to be the case in the United States before 1930. The bog crininakl group was Irish. That’s where the name paddywagon comes from.

    This is not something intrinsic. It has to do with differential law enforcement, made possible by residential segregation, and an extreme drop in street crime among other people.

    Currrenlt, in Continental Europe, and that includes France, I think Moslems and not blacks are associated with crime.

    Also many places where they are a small minority, and some otehr group has a disproportionate numnber of crimionals..

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  49. You would know more about valor than I would, Hoagie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjC_QAQyUP4

    If the children can make the time I’ll talk about White Feather, Gunny Hathcock.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  50. @ Steve57 (#29): I also was mildly disappointed, if not too surprised, to see Sen. Cornyn’s legislative proposal, and I agree that Sen. Cornyn ought to have known better than to make it: It’s unneeded and statist, an affront to federalism and the concept of a limited federal government operating under enumerated powers.

    Re him knowing better: Every public official should know this sort of stuff, not just the lawyers, but yeah, he in particular should know this. The Texas Supreme Court’s jurisdiction, oddly, is only civil, and the state district court bench he had in San Antonio also only heard civil cases. But his experience as Texas Attorney General — as top state-wide law enforcement official — certainly ought to have given him direct first-hand experience which ought to have given him practical and jurisprudential pause, since, for example, his office handled all of Texas capital punishment appeals in both the state and federal courts. Cornyn has signed SCOTUS briefs that paved the way for Texas to execute plenty of cop-killers, an exercise in justice in which we’d just as soon not have any more federal interference than is absolutely essential.

    I would be very surprised to see our junior senator support this bill, wouldn’t you?

    Finally: I enjoyed reading your comment about Never Again Volunteering Yourself. Bully for you, and Go Navy! 😀

    Beldar (fa637a)

  51. when you have a political movement, that seems to inspire the targeting of law enforcement, much like the black liberation army of the 1970s, then it’s probably a regretable but necessary recourse,

    narciso (732bc0)

  52. Never let it be said, Beldar, that I didn’t do the least one can do.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  53. 46. I think a case could be made for California (at least vs. Hispanics) from the mid 1990s to about 2010 – but of course Old Man Jerry had his big ol’ early release program which made Crenshaw Ave again worthy of mention in rap songs. Lots of B-on-B recently in San Berdo and Bakersfield.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  54. #46 Sammy,

    The term paddywagon came from rounding up the Irish drunks and and transporting them to “the drunk tank.”
    It wasn’t called the paddywagon because Irish were running around with switchblades cutting people up.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  55. Also, my friend, it’s important to know I am not the only one.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  56. I agree with you about that Steve57. I always hear people say this guy or that guy “won” this or that medal. They didn’t “win” crap! They earned it.

    I agree with both of you. My grandfather didn’t pull his DSC, his SS or his PH out of a box of Lucky Charms. They were hard earned medals following a harrowing battle in WW1 France. However, I tend to cut a bit of slack for most, because usually when someone says “Wow! You won that?!” they aren’t being dismissive, flip or insulting. They genuinely can’t think of a better word. Being presented with a military award and the story behind it strikes a feeling of genuine awe you won’t normally see anywhere else.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  57. Obama has a great future.

    After he leaves the Presidency with some quotes from the Koran… he’ll take up residency as the leader of BLM after converting to Islam… then he’ll change his name from Barry to Barack… what’s that? … he already did that part. Reverend Wright will be renewed as his spiritual advisor along with Allah and he’ll go around the world speechifying like the Clintons.

    Pts (ce7fc3)

  58. And then there was John F’n Kerry, and his medals (which he didn’t actually throw over the WH fence) … so yeah, I’m sure going back to and before the Roman Legions or the armies of the Chinese empire, there’s been a political and PR aspect to medal-awarding, and sometimes medal-scheming. The story of LBJ’s Silver Star was one of the most fascinating and revealing tales told by Robert Caro in “Means of Ascent.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  59. My dad, my grand dad, my great grand dad, my grand uncle, weren’t hunting medals. Totally concur, Bill. And I do not mean this in any way disrespectful.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  60. It was the McAuley, right, Beldar?

    Steve57 (193d96)

  61. I can’t get the image of the rabble rouser in chief high fiving himself over dead police officers.

    mg (31009b)

  62. The story of LBJ’s Silver Star was one of the most fascinating and revealing tales told by Robert Caro in “Means of Ascent.”

    In which he “earned” the only medal for which no member of the crew earned a medal.

    May I vomit now, or should I hold off til later?

    Steve57 (193d96)

  63. Barack knows one thing for certain, the Baton Rouge police acted stupidly.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  64. Given the way medals are sometimes awarded, won may not be the wrong word.

    My stepfather was a medic in the Chosin Reservoir. When an officer ordered him not to go back for more injured men, he ignored the officer and brought at least one back to safety. The officer wrote up paperwork to award him a medal, then got killed. Eventually the paperwork was found, and he was awarded the Silver Star in 1997/8. Literally through an Act of Congress, the Defense Appropriation bill. He wasn’t the only one: a few others received medals in the same way for service in WWII and Vietnam as well as Korea. In a way, it is a crapshoot (a comparison he used, btw).

    Besides the medal, he got frostbite in his fingers, loss of hearing, and PTSD (they just called it shell shock then) that made him impossible to live with. My mother almost literally threw him out of the house after 8 years. But he had more integrity in his frostbit thumb than can be found in any modern politician.

    kishnevi (4490a8)

  65. Steve 57,

    Dude, we get that your family served our country.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  66. This doesn’t sound like an ambush. He was walking down the street with his rifle in open sight. And the Baton Rouge police say he was the only gunman. Nutjob looking to die and take some cops with him, in my opinion. Probably read too much s***, by idiots on the internet, about armed resistance against a tyrannical government.

    The news stories I’ve seen don’t mention his race, which likely means that he is a minority. If he were white, all the stories would have “NRA” in the headline.

    nk (dbc370)

  67. We’re all over the place, narciso. Like a disease. Like herpes. Somebody should call a cop.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  68. …Dude, we get that your family served our country.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/17/2016 @ 3:13 pm

    Aww, Ok.

    I was afraid somebody maybe missed the shrine I built in the entryway.

    Now, who wants to head down to the VFW for an ice cream as I tell you about the Navajo class of fleet tugs?

    Steve57 (193d96)

  69. #70 Steve 57,

    Except that herpes doesn’t TALK so much about where it’s been or what it’s done. (LOL! )

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  70. Nobody except my dad ever served in a tug boat built after Navajo. Which is quite a thing, building a whole class of ships to be manned by the Steve57 clan.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  71. @72 maybe herpes needs a better PR person.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  72. I blame Jindal.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  73. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OO1pOqRJkA

    Rabiosa.

    Look up the word in Spanish. Then understand it can mean…

    more.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  74. I put a recording of Alexander’s Feast (Handel, to a poem by Dryden) into the CD player, and as I read this thread the first “big number” plays

    ’TWAS at the royal feast for Persia won
    By Philip’s warlike son:
    Aloft, in awful state,
    The godlike hero sate
    On his Imperial throne; 5
    His valiant peers were placed around,
    Their brows with roses and with myrtles bound;
    (So should desert in arms be crowned);
    The lovely Thais by his side
    Sate, like a blooming eastern bride, 10
    In flower of youth and beauty’s pride.
    Happy, happy, happy pair!
    None but the brave,
    None but the brave,
    None but the brave deserves the fair. 15

    CHORUS
    Happy, happy, happy pair!
    None but the brave,
    None but the brave,
    None but the brave deserves the fair.

    There are plenty of men in the armed forces and police forces of this country who deserve the fair. Plenty of women, too.

    kishnevi (3e3b90)

  75. I blame Jindal.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 7/17/2016 @ 4:06 pm

    Who doesn’t?

    Steve57 (193d96)

  76. I would prefer to honor the women by acknowledging what they did do, not pretending. It is now possible to tour the USS Constitution and learn what the wymyn who fought in the revolotion accomplished.

    This is an exaggeration, but only mildly so.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  77. This never would have happened if it weren’t for George W. Bush enabling Hurricane Katrina to hit Louisiana in 2005.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  78. Were there black troops at Iwo Jima. Yes. Were they brave. Yes. Did they take Suribachi? F*** no.

    Appalled at the rewrite of history. Love and kisses. Your friend, as always, Steve57.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  79. “Baton Rouge, of course, was the site of the July 5 shooting of Alton Sterling as he was being arrested for illegally selling movies and compact discs.”

    Try allegedly brandishing a gun.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  80. Barack just said, “As of right now, we don’t know the motive of the killer. We don’t know whether the killer set out to target police officers or whether he gunned them down as they responded to a call

    Oh my God.
    Our President is totally sick in the head.

    Because if he gunned them down as they responded to a call, then that gives the killer more moral authority than if he just gunned them down if there wasn’t a call.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  81. In the Pence thread, off topic, about when the news broke:

    182. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/17/2016 @ 9:19 am

    Barack has actively fomented this hatred for the police.

    That’s not what he’s done. He’s tried to avoid being against anyone, actually. The problem is he has not called out anyone telling lies. He doesn’t want people to hate the police, but he doesn’t want people to hate the hatemongers, either.

    The other day on ABC, he did not allow Eric Garner’s daughter to ask him a question on the air, although she was inviteed to the show, and apparently given the idea she would be on the air. The reason is:

    1) He won’t bring a false prosecution, although his Justice Department will encourage and pressure local jurisdictions, like Florida, and Baltimore, to do so.

    2) He won’t say that.

    Right now there’s a campaign to get the federal goverbnment to bring charges in Eric Garner’s death. (I had thought that there was no investigation. There is one, but it’s not going anywhere fast, according to Attorney General, Loretta Lynch.)

    Obama is coming under pressure from Al Sharpton to bring charges, but he’s not caving in.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/al-sharpton-eric-garner-widow-esaw-lead-brooklyn-march-article-1.2714068

    Carr and her family remain hopeful that Officer Daniel Pantaleo, cleared of criminal charges in Garner’s death, will still face federal civil rights charges in the fatal arrest.

    But Obama doesn’t want anyone to tell anyone no, and what’s more, that the answer deserves to be no.

    He’s not caving in on that. But Barack Obama, while not willing to maliciously prosecute anybody, is not breaking with Al Sharpton, or any of the other liars, either, you see. And so he refused to let Eric Garner’s daughter ask him a question. She yelled and he saw her privately.

    Barack Obama strives to occupy the middle ground. Even when that middle ground isn’t anywhere near what’s right or what maybe could put an end to this.

    And Al Sharpton is a complete fraud, among other things. There was a story in the newspaper, just today:

    http://nypost.com/2016/07/17/al-sharpton-sued-for-allegedly-swiping-16k-from-arizona-man/

    He took money and supposedly was going to help someone who had a complaint about Verizon. The man didn’t know that Al Sharpton was getting paid a lot of money by Verizon.

    He’s such a charlatan — why do so many people refuse to acknowledge it?

    You have to really understand this thing to realize that, and most people do not. It takes real comprehensiopn of the whole thing to realize that arack Obama is not so much evil, as a charlatan. Who just won’t take a controversial position on certain matters when that involves calling other people close to the Democratic Party charlatans and crooks.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  82. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 7/17/2016 @ 4:26 pm

    Because if he gunned them down as they responded to a call, then that gives the killer more moral authority than if he just gunned them down if there wasn’t a call.

    The question is whether or not this as premeditated, and whether this was a conspiracy. Obama would prefer people to believe that it wasn’t.

    The question indeed is, did the person who called 911 call 911 because he saw someone he thought was dangerous, or was the call an ambush? Obama, really, raally, doesn’t want this to be a conspiracy to kill police, or at least he doesn’t want people to believe that.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  83. Thanks, Sammy, for clearing the matter up.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  84. #86 Sammy,

    You can’t start shooting at the police. Period.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  85. The Baton Rouge killer – who killed 3 police, and another one is fighting for his life – came from Kansas City. Today was his 29th birthday. NBC News did not reveal his race, and maybe the police have not released that,or asked people no to mention it. Theymade it sounds little bit like he
    might be white, because there is this idea he was part of some group that sounds like it made up mostly of whites (The “New Freedom Group”, which is a Sovereign Citizen” group)

    But he’s a black separatist, and ex-military and a former Nation of Islam (Farrakhan’s group) member who railed against “crackers” on YouTube.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  86. @Steve57 — with all due respect for your service, sir…

    My step-grandfather (who married my grandmother after the unusually premature death of my biological grandfather), if you can believe this, fought in front-line combat in both WW1 and WW2. How something that weird happened takes too long to explain. But, despite his brave and honorable service which I respect, as a result of it he suffered from massive PTSD, was never able to be a good husband or father, and probably contributed, emotionally at least, to my grandmother’s suicide. It was such a cold, damaged situation that my mother (an otherwise very warm, honorable, loving person) never even mentioned to me that this person even existed until he was on his deathbed and she said Well I guess we have to go visit your grandfather. My thought (I was a pre-teen at the time) was, “we have a grandfather and you NEVER mentioned him?! WTF?!?”

    Those are some of the awful things war does to people. It’s horrible, and there’s surely much worse than that, but you look at it and you think of what Sandburg said about war.

    I’m a very good student of history, and to tell you the truth I can’t really think of a war that the US couldn’t have otherwise carefully avoided, one that was truly necessary to fight, since the Barbary Pirates expedition under Jefferson. I was sitting with my mother one night, (a well-read person), talking about issues of politics and history, and I said, “You know I’ve been thinking about it, and I find it almost impossible to name a war that wasn’t completely stupid and unnecessary.” I believe Churchill himself would have agreed.

    Men like yourself who have served with bravery and integrity are worthy of complete respect. It’s the people who asked them to serve in the first place whom I’d call to task with great severity.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  87. Obama:

    “Everyone right now focus on words and actions that can unite this country…We need to temper our words, and open our hearts.”

    Translation: Don’t say anyone is a liar.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  88. 89. That was not an attempt to justify it. That was an attempt to minimize it, and especially the reaction. There’s a difference between a person who carries a gun and starts shooting when confronted, and a conspiracy by at least two people, to shoot police. Or one person acting alone, I guess, if he called the police on himself.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  89. “What’s a nice Jewish girl doing in a place like this?”

    Yeah. It didn’t work then.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSl14XrGT5g

    Steve57 (193d96)

  90. Let me hoist a few to the girls in Haifah for the tight sweaters, for the effort.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  91. Sammy,

    Did you hear the old joke about the black separatist who was walking down the street with a RIFLE, when all of a sudden the police showed up?
    Well, actually, there isn’t an old joke that starts that way.

    He’s just a murderer.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  92. Steve57 (193d96) — 7/17/2016 @ 12:13 pm

    Is somebody more dead under federal law than they are under state law? In 1963, there apparently was no specific federal law against killing a president (although i think that really can’t be netirely true)

    But Oswald was going to get prosecuted in Texas.

    I this case, however, it really is a local crime, unless it involves an interstate consopiracy.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  93. I’m sure Milhouse will be along shortly with the correct spelling.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  94. I want to be early to say, I did appreciate it Haifah girls. No matter how you spell it.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  95. @94 (re link): I dunno, man. Pretty much all Middle Eastern music sounds like one long exactly-the-same tedious traditional song you’d be obliged to play at a wedding, then get bored. Even Irish music, the most monotonous music in the world, is more entertaining. But then I grew up on Mozart and Schubert and Scott Joplin, so what the heck would I know.

    But I agree, the girls were cute.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  96. Obama sucks monkey turds. Of course the shooter shot the police as they “responded to a call”. He provoked the call by walking down the street shooting his gun. The police have to respond to these calls. He baited them with himself. When he heard the sirens, he put himself into a position to shoot at them.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. Prez Barcky sez STOP!
    teh divisive rhetoric
    recognize greatness!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  98. The correct spelling of Haifa is Chet yod fe heh.

    No need to wait for Milhouse.

    Know how you tell one Mozart symphony from another? Look at the CD track listing.

    (And I’m the guy with three complete sets of them🤓)

    kishnevi (3e3b90)

  99. Hunson, you decide if I served honorably. You and Leviticus. Get your heads together.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  100. Thanks, kishnevi. Awfully appreciative.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  101. Always at your service, sir.

    kishnevi (3e3b90)

  102. How does it happen?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EgYZjqjWaQ

    Steve57 (193d96)

  103. however, you spell it, saladin, razed it after capturing it in 1187, to prevent further crusades, an interesting note about the timing of the nice attack, it commemorate the razing of an indian cementery in 1925, by wahhabis,

    narciso (732bc0)

  104. I need to meet a nice Jewish girl, Kishnevi. Who can make the gifelte fish.

    No, I an not laughing.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  105. “Know how you tell one Mozart symphony from another? Look at the CD track listing.”

    Actually, the correct answer is, don’t be a tone-deaf retard. And then you learn to play the stuff yourself. (While learning to play John Lennon and Jelly Roll Morton on the side.) And then you listen to the late piano concertos and the chamber music before the symphonies. Then you do the major operas. Then your head explodes. Then you listen to Wagner and late Strauss. Then you stop caring about the opinions of people who worry about how you spell Haifa in Roman lettering, which is what we use with this whole durn internet thingy. Actually, you stopped caring about their opinions somewhere between some of the late piano concertos.

    “And I’m the guy with three complete sets of them”

    Can you play any of them? Now would be the time to shut up and have fewer opinions.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  106. actually those were the mamelukes a century later,

    narciso (732bc0)

  107. Perhaps I should be.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  108. if one can’t laugh at the manifold absurdity of this world, then ‘what’s the point’

    narciso (732bc0)

  109. Sorry, narciso, for being late.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  110. The next fortnight has the potential to be an all time Mid-Summer’s nightmare.

    The murders to date have pretty much been perpetrated by individuals. The mass protests have not been super violent. With the coming heat, I anticipate at lest one Ferguson to beak out somewhere. The kindling is everywhere and the matches are primed to fire.

    If I am a conspiracist, I can scarcely imagine a better scenario than for mass violence to erupt this week, the better to distract from Trump’s coronation and the free/earned GOP media.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  111. i’m not sure who it is that wants to start a war in this country, but that’s what it sure looks like…

    redc1c4 (039791)

  112. the next baltimore cop is on trial, so there’s goes another quarter of the city, and the judge let the slm and occupy run rampant in cleveland, shades of come nineveh come tyre,

    narciso (732bc0)

  113. Team Alinsky wants a war.

    Barack was supposed to not only lower the rise of the oceans, but he was also going to put everyone back to work and hypnotize Jihadists into tending rose gardens.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  114. it’s hard not to see ‘a hard rain’s gonna fall’ the dylan version, edie brickell was to sing songy a cover,

    narciso (732bc0)

  115. I’m fairly confident that’s a violation of the start treaty,

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/b6c9eec8-9c9d-317e-b15c-c61f7a3b74c1/ss_is-russia-building-a-nuclear.html?nhp=1

    narciso (732bc0)

  116. “Know how you tell one Mozart symphony from another? Look at the CD track listing.”

    Wins the internet for stupid. Oh, and tone deaf.

    Hum a few bars of Don Giovanni for me, why dontcha.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  117. And to think, kishnevi, (sp? who cares), I had such high hopes for you.

    Now back to spelling Haifa in Roman lettering, leave the real stuff to the rest of us.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  118. civility, should be tried,

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/238892/

    narciso (732bc0)

  119. Whale ho! Moby is a good word to describe Christoph. He is fatter than most whales, though.

    nk (dbc370)

  120. Christoph seems to be constantly disappointed, people let him down. Perhaps he should move on while his dignity is still intact?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  121. “Every one right now focus on words and actions that can unite this country rather than divide it further,” Obama said.

    He also said:

    We don’t need inflammatory rhetoric. We don’t need careless accusations thrown around to score political points or to advance an agenda. [E.g., the accusation that law enforcement is systematically racist?] We need to temper our words and open our hearts, all of us.
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  122. I want to see a nuclear blast in space. What would it look like?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlE1BdOAfVc
    Five men at ground zero of a nuke blast at 10,000 feet.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  123. that’s less than two miles, in the lower troposphere.

    narciso (732bc0)

  124. Less than two miles? That’s how much you can miss the trail and still die.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  125. Interesting that at the moment of detonation the men felt a heat pulse. That heat pulse is down welling long wave radiation, the stuff global warming myths are made of.

    Reduced from 20 million degrees to a warm breeze by 10,000 feet of air.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  126. “Perhaps he should move on while his dignity is still intact?”

    What dignity? This is the durn internet. There’s no dignity, never has been. Remember, Chuckles?

    And also, while we’re on the topic of dignity… why are the two of you so fixated on anything I say? You could ignore it, you know. Lots of what I say is pretty ignorable.

    Two teas, both with sugar please. In the back of an alley.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  127. I usually just cuss them and move on.

    Sometimes by using clever visual aides. (jpg)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  128. not quibbling but space would probably be about 80 miles up, optimum distance for an emp..

    narciso (732bc0)

  129. You know that the emp is apocryphal, a plot device for SciFi movies, right?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  130. Sorry narciso. It’s best to hear these things from friends.

    Are you going to be okay

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  131. If Obama were any kind of decent he’d spend some portion of his statement reading Alton Sterling’s 46 page rap sheet.

    lol

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  132. I had a conversation with my sister about Comanche.

    http://www.robinsonlibrary.com/america/indians/wars/comanche.htm

    I could see having this conversation with one of my nieces or nephews which is in itself deeply weird enough.

    I came away from the experience thinking it was almost normal.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  133. why if you read through his lecture syllabi, at university of chicago, crime is a result of oppression and inequality, there is no free will.

    narciso (732bc0)

  134. Abstract: An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) over the United States could end modern life in America overnight. Whether caused by an enemy attack (a nuclear device detonated above the atmosphere) or by a natural phenomenon (a geomagnetic storm), an EMP can cause entire regions of the country to lose electricity—permanently.

    Just reading the abstract now. Not looking at the body of the link at all, just the absract.

    For an emp (the stripping of electrons from electric conductors) to affect the whole America the nuclear blast would have to be big enough to leave a crater from D.C. to Las Vegas.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  135. Greetings, Steve57: ( @ (193d96) —7/17/2016 @ 7:31 pm )

    One of my favorite books is T.R. Fehrenbach’s “Comanches: The History of a People” which seems to have had its title Progressivefied to “Comanches: The Destruction of a People”.

    I’ve long thought that it would be a good game plan for dealing with our Muslim brothers and sisters with whom they seem to have much in common. Mr. Fehrenbach brings up some of the similarities even though the book was original published in 1974.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  136. @129–“I want to see a nuclear blast in space. What would it look like?”

    The United States did so — 1n 1962.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P764e7fW-UM

    Here is a shot of a nuclear detonation in space via ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) by the USA in 1962.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  137. I still don’t know, 11B40

    Steve57 (193d96)

  138. 142. Yes, EMPs are largely a fantasy.

    nk (dbc370)

  139. Sez 1635.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  140. it’s never been detonated high enough over a major city, you want to take that chance?

    narciso (732bc0)

  141. Dove season starts in a month.

    Just thought you should know. I set my clock by it.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  142. Month and a half.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  143. is that like rabbit or quail season,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWs2IYkQ09I

    narciso (732bc0)

  144. Yes, but better, narciso.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  145. With bacon.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  146. Nuclear weapons space tests: Teak, Orange, Starfish Prime, Checkmate, Bluegill, Kingfish (1958-62). Effects of electromagnetic pulse and the artificial van Allen radiation belts from nuclear explosion beta radiation trapped by earth’s magnetic field mirroring effects in outer space. Note that this film is declassified relatively low-definition, low quality film. For extensive, much higher quality, widescreen format and fully restored declassified film estored declassified film of these tests, please see Peter Kuran’s excellent films and DVDs “Nukes in Space”, “Atomic Filmmakers”, and “Trinity and Beyond”; info at http://www.atomcentral.com/

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  147. celestial navigation.

    I don’t know about the rest of you.

    http://www.landfallnavigation.com/kcnb.htm

    I’d like to know where I was.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  148. ….yet the Bushes & Romneys & their allies want Hillary Clinton to protect us from domestic & foreign terrorists.

    The same Clnton’s who have ruined the middle east & europe and now bring their hot mess to the USA homeland.

    The same Clinton’s who have thumbed their noses at the rules of law, just like the BLM supporters & their gun-toting cop-murdering sympathizers thumb their noses at law.

    …..yet the Bushes & Romneys & their allies want Hillary Clinton to protect us from domestic & foreign terrorists.

    ….we get the leaders the Bushes & Romneys & their allies deserve….

    ….yet the Bushes & Romneys & their allies want Hillary Clinton to protect us from domestic & foreign terrorists.

    The same Clnton’s who have ruined the middle east & europe and now bring their hot mess to the USA homeland.

    The same Clinton’s who have thumbed their noses at the rules of law, just like the BLM supporters & their gun-toting cop-murdering sympathizers thumb their noses at law.

    …..yet the Bushes & Romneys & their allies want Hillary Clinton to protect us from domestic & foreign terrorists.

    ….we get the leaders the Bushes & Romneys & their allies deserve….

    John (20e1e6)

  149. John, spamming your crap does not change that its crap.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  150. I am disgusted and hold myself in contempt if for a minute i did any such thing.

    Steve57 (57d6bd)

  151. Baton rouge. It’s almost funny. The red baton. Baton is hard to translate into the English. Stick, maybe.

    Yes, I am disgusted.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  152. I liked the part where he said, “hot mess”.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  153. OK, maybe baton isn’t that hard to translate into the English.

    Stick will do.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  154. Steve57, the Pontiac Ventura of love.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  155. With rich Corinthian leather.

    Yes, I know I am mixing my metaphors.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  156. I suppose it helps, not having all that sheet metal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHvbdGoFQtI

    Steve57 (193d96)

  157. There is nothing funny about this.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  158. A widow will go home alone as will an orphan.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  159. Yes, technically to to be an orphan you have to lose both parents but pretty much everyone can **** me right about now.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  160. “Baton rouge. It’s almost funny. The red baton. Baton is hard to translate into the English. Stick, maybe.”

    Stick doesn’t quite do it justice. It’s a tough phrase to translate, I grant ye. I think for “baton,” it’s something more purposeful (stick is a caveman weapon, baton is not) like nightstick, club, billyclub, but none of them are quite right. This is just a guess, but I’m thinking “rouge” refers to blood-red, not just the color red, so a literal translation would be something like “blood-soaked bat.” I don’t know the history of the city, I have no idea what they were thinking.

    On a different note, I am glad you are amused by the phrase “rich Corinthian leather,” which I am told the gentleman simply made up, because there’s really no such thing. One of the best marketing gestures ever, and it cracks me up to this day.

    The other one of course is the greatest TV commercial of all time, submitted for your approval:

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+charlie+commercial&&view=detail&mid=87C74A257F3CB9B9E81F87C74A257F3CB9B9E81F&rvsmid=87C74A257F3CB9B9E81F87C74A257F3CB9B9E81F&fsscr=0&FORM=VDMCNL

    I’m not kidding, it’s the greatest ad ever. I could write an entire book on this thing. One day, maybe I will.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  161. What was it Oscar Wilde said? To lose one parent smacked of indifference but to lose both smacked of carelessness.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  162. I lived in Japan Mr. Abedeer. Almost nothing translates or transliterates word for word the same.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  163. “What was it Oscar Wilde said?”

    Great line, of course, and I’m glad you remember it and it has meaning for you.

    But if we’re going to get into the issue of “what was it Oscar Wilde said?” we’ll be here for the next fifty years. Best writer in English after Mister Shakespeare. What was it Brendan Behan said about him in his epitaph for Wilde? He wrote it originally in Irish Gaelic, my translation is crude:

    Fair is the path that is lived in sunlight,
    Harsh is the path that is far from God’s gaze.
    My life on you, Oscar boy:
    Yourself had it both ways.

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  164. “I lived in Japan Mr. Abedeer.”

    Hai, soo desu nee. Boku wa, dai-gaku de, nihon-go no benkyo sh’te imasita, ga, zenbu ga wasuremasita yo-oo.

    Pick somebody else to get clever with, boyo.

    Cheers!

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  165. And here I was thinking I was doing well thinking of the Ruarri Mactire.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  166. Didn’t know it was a competition, Sir.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  167. “Didn’t know it was a competition, Sir.”

    It’s not, of course. Just a bit of sparring, keeps the claws sharp. All good wishes! You seem like a very good soul, so trust me when I say I have all respect and proper fellow feeling. Nazda’rovia! (don’t know if I got the spelling right, but my pronunciation, I assure you, is hearty.)

    hunson abedeer (80144e)

  168. Ruarri = Red Haired king
    Mactire = son of the land

    I guess you’ll have to take it on faith it means red wolf.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  169. Also,

    Var hedet du is is Swedish for what’s your name.

    And hon har snugg rumpa is Swedish for, if I need to translate Rumpa, you are hopeless.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  170. Also, my 1854 cuirassier is 200 years old this month. Yes, it was rehilted. The blade is from 1816.

    I’m throwing myself a party.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  171. It is not a saber technically it is a pallasch.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  172. After three police officers were killed in Baton Rouge, LA, conservative media immediately blamed President Obama, claiming that he has added “fuel to the flame of racism.”

    snailme (2fcd13)

  173. Steve,

    Do you now understand that Christoph is a nasty pile of Canadian blubber, who only comes here to dirty up the threads, and the only way to engage him is to tell him to go hum a few bars of Don Giovanni on Richard B. Spencer’s foreskin?

    nk (dbc370)

  174. I felt it was important for you to know I can say, “She has a nice @$$” in multiple languages. Your tax dollars at work. I did actually go places, on your dime, thank you very much (what would we do without NATO). And check out the lower units.

    And here I am. elevating the conversation.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  175. Per Wikipedia

    The foundation Baton Rouge, Louisiana, dates to 1721, at the site of a bâton rouge or “red pole” Muscogee boundary marker. It became the state capital of Louisiana in 1849.

    kishnevi (98ea1b)

  176. Obama now says it’s the cops own fault.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  177. There’s a detailed story with a well labeled map, taken probably from a satellite photograph, as to how this went down in the Wall Street Journal today. I am not sure of the scale of the larger map.

    I would say he went looking for police – and didn’t find them right away – but in the end stumbled upon the 3 officers he killed.

    First he went to a part of Baton Rouge not to far from police headquarters. He saw a police car and parked maybe 30 to 60 feet away ad walked to the police car/ It as empty. Then he got into his car and drove away maybe 400 to 500 feet where he saw a policeman vacuuming his car at a car wash. He again parked not right next to where he was, and walked over but by the time he walked over, the policeman was gone.

    Next, he proceeded on foot back to the first place. By this time a 911 report had come in about a man with a rifle and he saw a few policemen. Now a rifle has a much greater range than a handgun. So he shot two policemen, killing one and wounding the other. The wounded officer proceeds to retreat around the corner of the building. There is another deputy there who takes cover behind a dumpster. Long follows the wounded policeman and, standing at the corner, kills both the wounded officer and the one who had been behind the dumpster (who had come out to try to help the wounded officer.)

    Long is standing right at the corner of the building, and he sees another officer approaching from the direction he came and shoots him. Long them goes back to his car, scaling a wall to do so, and encounters a deputy who had taken down the license plate number of his car. That deputy had gone back into his police car, where there was equipment to run the license plate number, and was off his guard. He shoots him, critically wounding him. Later he shots another officer nearby. Then he starts heading back to the police officer who was wounded in his car, possibly intending to finish him off, but there’s a SWAT officer on the other side of the car wash, more than 100 yards away who kills him.

    After Long was dead, somebody updated his Facebook page to say he was still alive. He had been in Baton Rouge since at least Tuesday, apparently not alarming anyone. He attempted to duplicate his CDs, paying someone $50 to take him around to CD stores, and sold or gave away some copies of his book. One of the persons in a group whom he spoke to for about 20 minutes, while promoting his book “The Cosmo Way,” said it was like hanging around with Charles Manson and not even knowing it. He had not said a word about police, or anything racist, and had conveyed the impression of being a thoughtful man who had found himself after spending two years in Africa.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  178. Obama now says it’s the cops own fault.

    AZ Bob

    I read that yesterday and I’m fortunate I was alone at the time because I’m sure the look on my face was inhuman.

    I don’t have the words to express my disgust at Obama. He just justified murder because of a grand notion of bigotry that Obama himself has admitted is unfair and untrue. Black Lives Matter is a slogan to spray paint on the community. It’s not an expression that black lives should be preserved or Obama would try to keep black communities safe. Tearing down the police like this is going to have terrible consequences for all those lives in places like Obama’s Chicago that desperately need police to be more proactive than they probably can safely be these days. Those black lives mattered to the cops, but they don’t seem to matter that much to Obama.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  179. Dustin (ba94b2) — 7/19/2016 @ 8:27 am

    Obama..just justified murder because of a grand notion of bigotry that Obama himself has admitted is unfair and untrue.

    He is not justifying murder but he says it happens because some people don’t trust the police, which seems to be true.

    Now if the mistrust was based on reality, it might be a good thing to admit it so as to cut down on the number of haters. But it is different when it is based on lies. There is no good way to stop doing what you are not doing in the first place. And people can always invent new lies. Obama is counseling appeasement. It won’t work.

    Or it will work if everybody lies together and understands nods and winks.

    That is, if what the people spreading these lies really want is to raise the street crime level in segregated black areas, to make drug dealing profitable and safe, (I mean what business wants its customers and its retail dealers to go to jail?) And to keep these areas segregated and poor – no “gentrification! – so as to make political hacks representing these areas free from election challenges, at least as long as the incumbents are protected when redistricting time comes. (The parts of the Voting Rights Act that has been interpreted to mean protect black incumbents at all costs, even if their districts are the ones that lost the most population – have not been repealed or overturned by the Supreme Court. They don’t want to lose even if their constituents vote with their feet, as they invariably do if conditions are horrendous.)

    And if they’ll then stop the agitation if they get all that.

    Black Lives Matter

    More properly and accurately called Black Lies Matter.

    is a slogan to spray paint on the community. It’s not an expression that black lives should be preserved or Obama would try to keep black communities safe. Tearing down the police like this is going to have terrible consequences for all those lives in places like Obama’s Chicago that desperately need police to be more proactive than they probably can safely be these days. Those black lives mattered to the cops, but they don’t seem to matter that much to Obama.

    Are you suggestiing that blacks commit a lot of crime in segregated black areas? You cannot say that. That’s racist.
    Besides which, doing something about that violates the “no snitching” rule. Black Lives Matter only when it does not contradict the “No Snitching” rule.

    And the other lie is that police misconduct or incompetence, when it occurs, affects only blacks. The statement that “lack Lives Matter” implies that non-black lives already matter.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  180. Even with all the handicaps, new and old being placed on police, a police inspector has figurwed out a way to reduce crime by 40%.

    The idea is, first of all, that only a very few people are committing alot of the crimes.So he I made up a list’’ of the worst 30 repeat offenders in the precinct. he then – this top ranking policeman – personally visited every person on the list to warn them to change their ways. He says whatever happened in the past isn’t going to happen anymore. We’re not going to tolerate it. they harass tehm, giving them summonses for minor infractions such as speeding or running red lights — even jaywalking or riding their bikes on the sidewalk — to let them know officers are serious. their pictures are given to all policemen – they are the top suspects if something they do gets
    done.

    http://nypost.com/2016/07/18/this-one-cop-brought-crime-down-40-percent-in-his-precinct/

    So far this year, crime in the 60th Precinct is down in all major categories. As of Sunday, robberies had dropped by 52 percent and shootings by about 43 percent, resulting in four fewer people being shot.

    Taylor said what makes the numbers even more astounding is the fact that around 15 million people visit his precinct each year to go to the beaches, amusement parks and minor-league baseball stadium.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  181. Another officer shot dead in the line of duty today in a drive-by ambush, this time a captain.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  182. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/07/19/the_false_black_lives_matter_narrative


    Look, I’ll repeat this again. I guess it takes it. The beginning of a lot of this, some people think it’s Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, and you can’t leave that out. But I’m telling you.

    I saw Malik Zulu Shabazz last night with Megyn Kelly on Fox News, and all he wanted to talk about was “hands up, don’t shoot” out of St. Louis, out of Ferguson. That’s all it was. That was the justification for everything they’re doing. A lie. And he was last night trying to make everybody believe that Michael Brown was an innocent guy walking down the street and he was shot in the back — with his hands up — by a cop! Megyn threw all the facts at him. He didn’t care. It does not matter.

    He just accused her of making up stuff and lying about the facts. And then the grand jury? They lied too. Everybody else lied. Everybody knew that that cop went headhunting. So they’re using a lie. My whole point is, what if Obama had gone on television and instead of sustaining the life of that lie had called that out for what it was and what it is? He could have taken the ammunition away, and he didn’t do it. And these incidents keep happening based on that and this frenzy that’s continue to be worked on by Black Lives Matter.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  183. Rush Limbaugh:

    What you need to look at is men versus women, and the truth is the cops are killing men like 95% of all victims are men, regardless of race, if you wanted to look at it that way.

    So men could come along and say that the cops are inherently biased against men, because 95% of all shooting victims by the police are men, but you don’t see men’s groups coming out and saying that. But that is much more true than anything Malik Zulu Shabazz is saying.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)


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