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7/13/2016

FBI Agents Involved In Hillary Clinton Email Investigation Required To Sign Non-Disclosure Agreements

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:05 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Everything involving Hillary Clinton has a foul and treacherous stench that threatens to suffocate any remaining decency in the halls of government. It almost seems as if her sole mission in this life is to force the masses to be reminded of the brutal, unyielding truth that amassed power in the hands of the few will ultimately cost us our freedom.

Sources said they had never heard of the “Case Briefing Acknowledgment” form being used before, although all agents must initially sign nondisclosure agreements to obtain security clearance.

“This is very, very unusual. I’ve never signed one, never circulated one to others,” said one retired FBI chief.

An FBI agent currently on the job admitted, “I have never heard of such a form. Sounds strange.”

Meanwhile, FBI agents expressed their “disappointment” over FBI Director James Comey’s decision not to recommend charges against Clinton, sources close to the matter told The Post.

“FBI agents believe there was an inside deal put in place after the Loretta Lynch/Bill Clinton tarmac meeting,” said one source.

Another source from the Justice Department was “furious” with Comey, saying he’s “managed to piss off right and left.”

I have questions. They may be ignorant, but nonetheless: If agents are required to sign a standard nondisclosure agreement from the get-go in order to gain security clearance, wouldn’t that also cover any investigation in which the agent was involved with during their employment, and wouldn’t they be bound by it after they were no longer employed at the DOJ? Also, wouldn’t said nondisclosure agreement to gain security clearance also come with severe penalties if not adhered to? And, couldn’t we assume that those penalties would include prosecution and even possible time served, depending on which section of the United States Code was violated?

In considering James Comey and the choices he may have made, this would ring true: A reputation for doing the right thing under pressure is hard to make and easy to break.

–Dana

99 Responses to “FBI Agents Involved In Hillary Clinton Email Investigation Required To Sign Non-Disclosure Agreements”

  1. Wow.

    Dana (995455)

  2. We’ve all heard of “sell-outs”, but this was a fire sale. For shame, if true.

    Colonel Haiku (89fd8e)

  3. But if an FBI agent were to disclose information, couldn’t they just claim they were “extremely careless” and didn’t do so with “intent“?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  4. But… but… I’m sure Director Comey had a good reason… right?

    Colonel Haiku (89fd8e)

  5. omg the fbi is so sleazy

    who are these losers what signed this?

    i want names

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  6. as with benghazi, the cia forced the nda’s, so the administration could spin it’s narrative, we’ll probably get the real scoop in 2018

    narciso (732bc0)

  7. If agents are required to sign a standard nondisclosure agreement from the get-go in order to gain security clearance, wouldn’t that also cover any investigation in which the agent was involved with during their employment,

    Yes, so the question is what is this all about?

    It might be that, given the election, some people might be sorely tempted to leak somethin,, especially something potentially criminal or treasonous.

    James Comey was warning his agents:

    DON’T DO THAT!

    This new anti-disclosure form also might cover some things not covered by the usual confidentiality restrictions, like legal arguments that were made or contacts between the FBI and defense attorneys.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  8. The State Department and CIA officers at Benghazi (and Waco) were also required to sign non-disclosure agreements which carried Draconian penalties for anyone who was inclined to tell the truth about events leading up to the attack, during the attack, and after the attack.

    Those not dead or hospitalized were dispersed to concealed locations around the globe to keep investigators from talking to them. It’s how Hillary operates, strong arm tactics and the very real threat of incarceration, or worse.

    ropelight (596f46)

  9. I don’t know Comey didn’t answer this question correctly.

    “gross negligence” means you know it is classified information and you don’t take care that it doesn’t get outside a place it is supposed to be.

    “extremely careless” means that you are not distinguishing between what is classified and what is not.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  10. And if we have all these penalties, who was doing the leaking about a RICO investigation?

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  11. New polls reveal that Hillary Clinton is now back in the lead against Donald Trump in untrustworthiness.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  12. there are so many instances where investigations, are prespun, like the irs, then proscribed and misdirected, the only real evidence about benghazi came from guccifer and judicial watch,

    narciso (732bc0)

  13. GUccifer had nothing about Benghazi and we don’t know that what was leaked was an accurate text of the memos Sidney Blumenthal sent. It was the first revelation of her secret e-mail adddress.

    Judicial Watch has found out some things but that came after the Trey committee.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  14. I can’t say I’m surprised by any of this. Everyone was talking about how the FBI was going to leak.

    scrubone (c3104f)

  15. while they were focused on the phony north korean hack of columbia, some misdirection

    https://twitter.com/BrianHubbs1/status/753337360662704128

    narciso (732bc0)

  16. GANGSTER GOVERNMENT: New York Post: FBI Agents Tell Us Lynch and Clinton Struck a Deal on That Plane.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/238591/

    Colonel Haiku (89fd8e)

  17. I think that the Post view is wrong.
    The deal was probably more of a wink and a nod arrangement understood by every higher up before the investigation was even started. The lowly serfs in the FBI were tools to make it look like there was a real possibility of indictment. This new non disclosure agreement simply reminds them where the piwer lies, now that it is obvious they were used.

    The meeting itself might be a reminder to Comey of where the power lies–not with him! Or it have been done to give Lynch an excuse to quasi-recuse herself and leave the blame for the decision on Comey and not her.

    kishnevi (e95dc4)

  18. The deal was sealed long before Clinton and Lynch met on the tarmac in Phoenix. That meeting was staged so Lynch would have an excuse to recuse herself from having to make a prosecutorial decision thereby avoiding sullying herself and by implication the man who appointed her: Barack Obama.

    The problem was always how to let Hillary off the hook without damaging Lynch or Obama, so Slick Willie came up with a plan to let Director Comey take the hit. By meeting with Lynch she was able to distance herself from the the decision, and by implication insulate Obama from criticism. Hillary was able to wiggle out of a prison sentence, and good old James Comey agreed to take one for the team.

    ropelight (596f46)

  19. This is the kind of crap America gets when Democrats control the Executive Branch.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  20. I know someone or someones is trying to play us,
    just not sure who or what.

    Like 19 hrs into an episode of “24”.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  21. the nda’s were after the fact, the coordination had to happen before the meeting, note the example of the fdic hack that was covered over for two years,

    narciso (732bc0)

  22. Wow, watching Megyn Kelly hand DL Hughley his own ass. What a sorry sonuva bi+ch.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  23. Yes, a known ass-clown, narciso. But Hughley was by turns rude, ignorant, racist, buffoonish, hysterical, insulting and moronic. He exceeded expectations.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. Off topic. It was reported and posted by me that Philando Castile didn’t have a concealed carry permit. Turns out he did have a CCP. The confusion arose because the sheriff of Ramsey county, where Falcon Heights is located (and where the shooting took place) had no record of Castile ever applying for a CCP.

    However, Falcon Heights is adjacent to Hennepin county (Minneapolis is the county seat) and Castile applied for and received a CCP from Hennepin county in June of 2015.

    ropelight (596f46)

  25. Thanks for the update, ropelight,
    Where did you see that?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  26. it was on cbs news, and also fox 9,

    narciso (732bc0)

  27. “No longer a Republican.”

    That says it all.

    njrob (f61f34)

  28. Ropelight, I thought that Castile was a resident of Ramsey County and that under Minnesota law CCPs are issued by the county of residence.

    Does this mean Castile actually lived in Hennepin?

    kishnevi (e95dc4)

  29. Coming from Wikileaks in October.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  30. kishnevi, Castile’s CCP was issued by the Sheriff of Hennepin County and mailed to an address in Robinsdale, MN.

    ropelight (596f46)

  31. that was an update piece, there are so many lies, omissions, coverups in this administration, a real muckraker would be comatose from the exertions,

    narciso (732bc0)

  32. keith ellison’s district as it turns out,

    narciso (732bc0)

  33. Moms Demand Hot Action might have a point. Carrying a gun might be more likely to get you killed than to save you from being killed.

    We keep making it easier and easier for trigger-happy cops to shoot us. It used to be that they would carry an untraceable drop-gun to plant on their victim. Then cellphones came along, and the drop-gun became unnecessary because they could say the phone looked like a gun. Now, with CCW, there’s actually a real gun actually carried by the victim.

    nk (dbc370)

  34. I think that was a freudian slip, nk,

    in fact i’m aware of a police officer who as part of a proactive unit, he did do the drop gun trick, he went to prison for a spell, he may have gotten out, seven years ago, sterling just wrestled with the officer and lived,

    narciso (732bc0)

  35. that was an update piece, there are so many lies, omissions, coverups in this administration, a real muckraker would be comatose from the exertions,

    That’s what they count on.

    Dana (995455)

  36. that’s why there is a very select few, herridge, atkinson, heck even jason leopold, finds a nut occasionally,

    narciso (732bc0)

  37. Don’t worry… agents can talk freely with congress about improper or illegal behavior under the whistle blower statutes.

    Please remember that Director Comey is a big, big fan of transparency, and so is AG Loretta Lynch.

    Pts (ce7fc3)

  38. If agents are required to sign a standard nondisclosure agreement from the get-go in order to gain security clearance, wouldn’t that also cover any investigation in which the agent was involved with during their employment, and wouldn’t they be bound by it after they were no longer employed at the DOJ?

    Outside of the counter-intelligence types I don’t know why FBI agents would
    have TS/SCI clearances. I can see all of them having secret clearances. The
    reason being that TS/SCI clearances are extremely expensive, requiring
    detailed Special Security Background Investigations

    They can talk about investigations. There’s

    Steve57 (7185fa)

  39. At least with president Trump, the media, Congress and the courts would oppose him. Even if Trump is every bit as bad as Hillary, his presidency could be good for the country by forcing the Left to make some concessions to the need for a rule of law. It would be temporary, of course, but it would still be better than nothing.

    In the last eight years, we’ve seen the IRS and other federal agencies used to attack political organizations, we’ve seen the federal government destroying records in defiance of court orders and lying to the courts, we’ve seen the President of the United States provoking riots and attacks on police, we’ve seen the Left make large strides in subverting the US military (which is something they have to do before they can completely dispense with the Constitution), we’ve seen multiple cases of the President ignoring or violating the Constitution, we’ve seen the FBI subverted for political reasons, and we’ve seen our president aiding and abetting countries that want to destroy us.

    Seriously, Patterico, how much does it take before you realize that even Donald Trump is better than complete destruction of the rule of law?

    Cugel (68191f)

  40. “Seriously, Patterico, how much does it take before you realize that even Donald Trump is better than complete destruction of the rule of law?”

    “Laws,” like “Peoples” and “Traditions” and “Posterity”, are but mere phantoms next to the very real emotional pain of admitting you were wrong and wrong-headed from the beginning about your so-called countrymen whom those laws supposedly protect.

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  41. If agents are required to sign a standard nondisclosure agreement from the get-go in order to gain security clearance, wouldn’t that also cover any investigation in which the agent was involved with during their employment, and wouldn’t they be bound by it after they were no longer employed at the DOJ?

    Outside of the counter-intelligence types and perhaps a few other small special units I don’t see most FBI agents having TS/SCI clearances. The reason being that they require something called a Special Security Background Investigation (SSBI), which is an extremely lengthy and expensive process. You list just about every aspect of your life for the previous ten years along with family and references and investigators deploy to check out every detail to make sure you aren’t hiding anything. They don’t, of course, interview your references because you wouldn’t have listed them if they weren’t going to say nice things about you. They talk to them to find out who else knows you and then they develop a slate of people they do want to interview.
    Besides, most FBI agents aren’t going to need access to TS/SCI material, and hence have no need to know so it’s unjustifiable; even if you have the clearance your agency has to demonstrate you have a “need to know” for you to gain access to TS/SCI information. Depending on the backlog if there is one it can take 18 months to three years to complete the SSBI.

    I can see all of them having a general service or GENSER Secret clearance as that only requires a National Agency Check (NAC). It’s a records check, to see if you have a clean arrest record. It’s quick and cheap, and it could come in handy. You also don’t need any special “need to know.”

    But these clearances, and the standard NDAs and other forms that go with them, are so the agents can access government classified information. The counter-intel types would need it because government classified information is presumably what the spies are stealing (although industrial espionage, particularly at defense contractors and dual-use technology manufacturers is also a concern). I’m sure they had to have the counter-intel types go through the data on Hillary Cliunton’s server.

    Normally these agents can discss most aspects of an investigation. The standard NDA doesn’t cover investigations. But why should it? Normally there’s nothing classified about most aspects of an investigation and once it’s over and the case disposed of in the courts one way or the other the agents are free to discuss it.

    Here’s Hillary Clinton’s GENSER classified information NDA.

    http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HRC-classified-NDA1.pdf

    As you can see it just refers to safeguarding information produced by the government.

    That’s why these agents are saying this is extremely unusual. This NDA applies only to this one case and all aspects of it. Which means, of course, the way this was resolved is extremely shady. It should have been prosecuted, and Clinton would have lost. There are a whole host of things she would have had to defend herself against, and she wouldn’t have had a defense for a single one. She would have gone away for a long time.

    Steve57 (7185fa)

  42. Sorry about 43. I was typing along and it disappeared. I thought my self-aware laptop Skynet had highlighted and deleted the entire text so I just started over.

    I had no idea Skynet submitted it.

    Steve57 (7185fa)

  43. GANGSTER GOVERNMENT: New York Post: FBI Agents Tell Us Lynch and Clinton Struck a Deal on That Plane.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/238591/

    Colonel Haiku (89fd8e) — 7/13/2016 @ 5:00 pm

    !!!!!

    I don’t believe it, coronello! I. JUST. DON’T. BELIEVE. IT!

    Because I figure Billy Jeff and Tiger Beat struck the deal during that golf outing on Martha’s Vineyard last August.

    Lynch just met Billy Jeff in Phoenix to let him know all the arrangements were completed, all potential troublemakers gagged, all other loose ends tied up, and perhaps interviewed to continue on as AG in the next Clinton administration. And by interview I mean provide Billy Jeff with a complimentary Lewinsky.

    Steve57 (7185fa)

  44. Wow.

    (OK, no points for originality. But that is the thought which popped up in my head.)

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  45. Notice that FBI Director James Comey testified the decision not to charge Hillary Clinton was “unanimous.

    James Comey’s definition of unanimous is different than mine.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  46. Thanks for that link with info on the background of Sterling.

    I stumbled across this:
    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/07/12/el-paso-police-chief-attacked-calling-blm-radical-hate-group-citizens-defend/
    About one police chief speaking out against BLM, I saw where the Milwaukee co sheriff did too,
    I would like to gather information about African Americans who are taking a public stand against BLM
    If anyone can post things they run across I would appreciate it. I have too many contacts who think they need to go along with BLM out of deference and respect for some of their contacts. I would like to gather evidence that it isn’t just white privileged Republicans who have issues with BLM

    I saw a blurb somewhere about King’s step #1 of planning active action in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, get the facts straight. (I looked it up, you can read the whole thing on line). King was an imperfect man as even the best of us are, but I think that letter is superb.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  47. Come to think of it, didn’t Comey perjure himself in his testimony before Congress about the unanimity of the decision among the investigating team?

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  48. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/14/2016 @ 5:17 am


    I saw a blurb somewhere about King’s step #1 of planning active action in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, get the facts straight. (I looked it up, you can read the whole thing on line). King was an imperfect man as even the best of us are, but I think that letter is superb.

    I posted it here on Patterico, twice in two different threads.

    This was quoted in the New York Daily News, by a columnist who didn’t seem to realize that that was what was not going on now. There doesn’t seem to be any question in his mind whether injustices exist, but only on the extent of it, where he did see a problem.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/errol-louis-americans-heal-thyselves-article-1.2707527

    Errol Louis was focusing on the third step: Self purification. Which is also a problem.

    Martin Luther King was concerned there, I think, that people should not be tempted into violence or property destruction or anything besides correcting what was wrong. Which made sense to worry about, since he was organizing marches and demonstrations and boycotts and maybe sit-ins, and he needed them to be pure and engage in no objectionable behavior because he was appealing to other people’s consciences.

    He got a lot of his ideas of course, from admirers of Mahatma Gandhi.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  49. I would like to gather information about African Americans who are taking a public stand against BLM
    If anyone can post things they run across I would appreciate it.

    MD, Larry Elder is great.

    Denver Guy (21d3a4)

  50. I heard of Sh. David Clarke, know what he looks like, and share many of his views. But I’ll admit I expected him to talk like a JC Watts/Gap Band protege and instead he sounds like he could part of a “Da Bears” skit

    urbanleftbehind (e8b0ab)

  51. Steve57 (7185fa) — 7/13/2016 @ 9:58 pm

    Lynch just met Billy Jeff in Phoenix to let him know all the arrangements were completed, all potential troublemakers gagged, all other loose ends tied up..

    Lynch didn’t meet Billy Jeff. Lynch was surprised by Billy Jeff. (The best proof is taht Clinton had arived at the airprt easrly, while if were an arranged “coincidnce” on the part of BOTH of them, they would have made it look more coincidental.

    Billy Jeff mostly wanted to see if Loretta Lynch would refuse to see him. If she would refuse to see him, it meant there was a possibility he or his wife would be indicted. It meant there might be something going on he didn’t know about, but she might have been forewarned about.

    He needed to know that to know whether or not Hillary should go ahead with the FBI interview. If theer were no new problems on the horizon, she would; if there were she would not, because an indictment would probably be delayed past the presidential election if it wasn’t going to happen immediately, and she could push a decision further into the electio zone simply by not getting interviewed.

    It was important that this take here by surrpise, but that she would have some oppportunity of refusing ameeting. Outright arrangiong one would probabkly be declined. Meeting at an event would emean nothing. This kind of a situation where active avoidance would be required but also would be possible was just what he needed.

    He probably also tried to get some other information, filibustering with talk about matters. He probably was looking for a hint as to whether or not a special prosecutor might be appointed. Just what she did not REFUSE to talk about would be an indication.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  52. Thanks folks,
    Sammy, I did not mean to steal your thunder, you are probably the one that referenced King that zi originally saw
    I am always happy to give credit when I remember who to give it to, but it usually is “I saw somewhere…”

    I am going to look up what I can find from Sowell and Walter Williams as well

    What King dealt with was the same as today, lots of people apathetic and rabble-rousers who want violence and anarchy to not let go to waste.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  53. I’ve seen him on Fox
    If I was president I would put him somewhere high up

    Jc watts. Yeah I should look him up

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  54. No, no, it’s not stealing thunder. I’m glad somebody else agreed as to its significance and meeaning. But you said you didn’t remember where you saw it. Did you also find the text of the whole speech?

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  55. I mean the text of the letter from the Birmingham jail.

    Now tghat I looked fior it, I found it here:

    https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

    It’s the first sentnece in the 6th paragraph.

    Here is his description of “self-purification:

    Mindful of the difficulties involved, we decided to undertake a process of self purification. We began a series of workshops on nonviolence, and we repeatedly asked ourselves: “Are you able to accept blows without retaliating?” “Are you able to endure the ordeal of jail?”

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  56. #54 Denver Guy,

    Larry Elder is awesome. He gave serious consideration to running against Barbara Boxer in 2004.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  57. I conclude that nixon was no good at obstruction of justice, he was caught after all, he had to resign, because of the feckless top men who care more for their reputations, over the fate of the nation, and the consequences of this, spread to southeast asia, and were crimson red, it led to bloody dominoes in Iran, and the start of the jihad in afghanistan, both of which we are dealing with today,

    narciso (732bc0)

  58. as a people, we are too fracking forgiving,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/283341-dem-congressional-candidate-america-got-what-it-deserved-on-911-one-of-the-greatest-events-in-human-history/

    he was an attorney for ksm’s kin, who financed the attack,

    narciso (732bc0)

  59. what difference does it make,

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/238654/#respond

    when justice is blind and dumb,

    narciso (732bc0)

  60. Perhaps the Clintons are more ruthless than Nixon ever dreamed of.

    Thanks again Sammy, yes, I found that last night and read it all.

    If BLM pledged and lived out that letter I would support them.
    But that is “if” in a bigger font than will fit on a screen of any size.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  61. I think jim crow was a fatal wound to the body politic, three quarters of a century, after the civil war impressed the notion of taney’s conclusion, we could have survived the burden of slavery, but it set the camps, with barbed wires, like world war one trenches,

    narciso (732bc0)

  62. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 7/14/2016 @ 8:07 am

    If BLM pledged and lived out that letter I would support them.

    But that is “if” in a bigger font than will fit on a screen of any size.

    Well, the very name of that movement or organization is a lie, so they’d have to change that first.

    But they want to tell people that everybody who is not black doesn’t know anything.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  63. The talking point that I have heard claims that it means “Black Lives Matter-Too”,
    but I think that is what is fed to the “useful idiots” per the 60’s nomenclature.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  64. like occupy, it was run out of the white house, the first iteration were the dream defenders,
    who toppled the police chief in sanford.

    narciso (732bc0)

  65. 62. narciso (732bc0) — 7/14/2016 @ 7:21 am

    I conclude that nixon was no good at obstruction of justice,

    Nixon wasn’t trying to obstrct justice. It was all the work of John Dean, and the two times Nixon assented to something it was meaningless and after the fact.

    The first time was on June 20 or 23 or so, three or six days after the Watergate burglary, where Nixon agreed to try to hide the connection of the burglars to the Committee to Re-Elect the President after it was already known

    John Ehrlichman was roped into a meeting with Haldeman to discuss an idea he had not in fact proposed, according to Silent Coup. The idea was that the CIA should tell the FBI that tracing the burglar’s cash would comprimise something the CIA was a doing in Mexico. The CIA refused to do so and that was the end of that. On July 6, 1972 Nixon told L. Patrick Gray to conduct a full investigation. Nixon had tried, not to protect himself, but maybe to protect his loyal, and perhaps overzealous, aide G. Gordon Liddy whom he had some pity on.

    The second time was on March 20, 1973 where John Dean persuaded Nixon to send money to E. Howard Hunt a day after he had already given him the money. The reason John Dean invented for giving the money was that E. Howard Hunt, notionally, was threatening to reveal the burglary of the office Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist, which Nixon did not consider illegal, but, rather, politically damaging and legally controversial. It was not done for any self-interested or criminal reasons. Nixon said you could buy time with that but that’s all.

    In March 1973, Nixon was not interested in, or aware of, anything concerning Watergate that Hunt might know that he (Nixon) might want him too keep silent about, and John Dean knew that. That’s why he had to invent a different reason for asking Nixon to approve giving him “hush” money.

    Nixon had no interest in hiding any facts about the Watergate break-in once the connection to his re-election campaign became known, and once his campaign manager, John Mitchell, resigned. Nixon never came to any firm conclusion as who had authorized it, and for the most part, he was content to let the chips fall where they may.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  66. Sammy you miss the point, we’ve had to bear the burden of nixon for forty some years now, because the gop are feckless poltroons,

    narciso (732bc0)

  67. The lie is that nobody cares when police kill black people, and that pressure is usually needed to get them investigated properly – it is needed when what yyou want is an improper investigation; or that black people are disproportionately killed by police; or that the chief danger to black people is police brutality when actually, per Andrew Young, 93% of blacks killed are killed by other blacks (who are not the police)

    Now that’s not the 99% exaggeration that Rudolph Giuliani used (and on top of that he said they were kids) but 93% is pretty high.

    Of course the argument is made, it’s worse to be killed by a policeman. But it hardly ever happens, and when it does it’s usually investigated properly, and if it isn’tm very little is needed to get it done, and eliminating that altogether is like trying to eliminate bus drivers running over people. Imagine a campaign against bus drivers, and every incident played up.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  68. 71. Actually, Republicans were very solid on national security issues and this has been a vulnerability for Democrats all these 40 years. :Liberalism” is the chief reason George Bush the Elder, and ot Mike Dukakis, was elected in 1988.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  69. because of the feckless top men who care more for their reputations, over the fate of the nation, and the consequences of this, spread to southeast asia, and were crimson red

    Yes. Bill Clinton was principally responsible for that. He had arranged for the creation of a freshman Democratic caucus which gor recoignnized as a powerful group and pushed the cause of “ending the war” by cutting off all military aid to South Vietnam. He would have been its leader, except for the fact that he lost his own race for election to Congress. But it lived on without him. it led to bloody dominoes in Iran, and the start of the jihad in afghanistan, both of which we are dealing with today, </blockquote. I suppose you coudl atrrebute Iran to the fact that Jimmy Carter was president and not Gerald Ford, but that really didn't cause the second Soviet coup in Afghanistan and all the rest that followed.

    The one thing you can say is that having, honest, quality people in the Executive branch of the federal government always matters when it comes to matters of foreign and military policy.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  70. Oops. The last half of that should be:

    it led to bloody dominoes in Iran, and the start of the jihad in afghanistan, both of which we are dealing with today,

    I suppose you could atrribute Iran to the fact that Jimmy Carter was president in 1978 and 1979 and not Gerald Ford, but that really didn’t cause the second Soviet coup in Afghanistan and all the rest that followed. There, the problem was letting Pakistan dictate to whom the aid went to.

    The one thing you can say is that having, honest, quality people in the Executive branch of the federal government always matters when it comes to matters of foreign and military policy. You may not see any critical decisions being made, but there can be decisions made that matter later.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  71. yes, the shah was an unsteady proxy, but without carter’s wavering, perhaps there could have been a successor regime, as we had in egypt, after the arab spring, the soviets were emboldened to support first taraki and amin, who still was untrustworthy enough to trigger the soviet invasion,

    narciso (732bc0)

  72. past has been prologue,

    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/103576/the-cold-wars-arab-spring

    the sum total of obama’s policy, has been in part to bring egypt back in the russian orbit, ditto iran and syria,

    narciso (732bc0)

  73. Carter prevailed upon the Iranian generals not to make a coup, and they did more, they did a coup in favor of Khomeini at the first sign of trouble. And got killed as a reward.

    The argument that Alexander Haig had used was t avoid blodshed and that’s what they thought they were doing. Khomeini actually was almost tamed.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  74. I appreciate the sensitivity of our hosts position as a prosecutor, but given the investigating LEO’s ‘no reasonable prosecutor’ standard, I am curious what Patterico can say without violating any sort of personal or ethical boundaries…he is one of the most well positioned commentators on the web to have a view…and I haven’t seen his.

    noway (2640f4)

  75. here’s an African American police officer who doesn’t like black lives matter:
    http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/12/black-police-officer-says-why-hes-against-black-lives-matter-movement-6001826/

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  76. This just means that the FBI Agents involved won’t be able to get a book deal, telling the intricacies of her personal life.

    Dana, I don’t think you’d be happy even if she provided full color photos of her last lower GI exam. Sheesh!

    Tillman (a95660)

  77. Re: 81 – Tillman, I did not see a /sarc tag – are you serious?

    This is all about hiding the corruption of the investigation. The entire FBI is tainted from top to bottom.

    Steve Malynn (1d7837)

  78. Steve, it can’t be completely tainted, or they never would have needed to ask agents to sign those forms.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  79. Maylynn, that’s what they would have you believe, isn’t it? It’s all one vast, intricate conspiracy.

    Tillman (a95660)

  80. Tillman, the corruption is so blatant even a partisan clown like you should smell it.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  81. SPQR, I don’t believe the wild conspiracy that Dubya planned 9/11 and I don’t believe that Hillary has the FBI under her thumb, either. 99% of the time, conspiracy theories are wrong. But I shouldn’t have to tell you that.

    Tillman (a95660)

  82. he’s preparing for the doc brown ‘passing of gas’ protest.

    narciso (732bc0)

  83. Conspiracy theories sometimes are too complicated – the conspiracy is actually done in a much simpler way.

    > From: Carol L Moore
    > To: LA-AGORA@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU
    > Subject: Discrimination & Conspiracy Theories
    > Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 3:51 PM
    >
    > As with many other things in life, one must
    > be discriminating in giving credence to
    > various conspiracy theories. Some are totally
    > on target, others off the wall, with a whole
    > range in between. Some are enragingly true,
    > some fun, some tedious,
    > some just plain annoying.
    >
    > Carol Moore in D.C.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  84. Breaking News: Suspected terrorist attack using a truck in Nice, France on Bastille Day. AT LEAST 30 DEAD.

    Sammy Finkelman (372aad)

  85. #81, #84, and #86, in which Tillman demonstrates an unhinged Hillary! partisan has to construct a straw man the size of the Sears Tower to avoid Clinton’s obvious felonies.

    Steve57 (67f76e)

  86. ….I don’t believe that Hillary has the FBI under her thumb, either…

    Tillman (a95660) — 7/14/2016 @ 2:39 pm

    As if the title of this thread would imply anyone thinks that.

    You’re going to need a lot more straw.

    Steve57 (67f76e)

  87. …It’s all one vast, intricate conspiracy.

    Tillman (a95660) — 7/14/2016 @ 2:23 pm

    Again, who said it was vast or intricate other than you?

    I can name names; I can name the names of he conspirators. Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin, Cheryl Mills, and Jake Sullivan. Not very vast, is it?

    And I’m using the word conspiracy in the legal sense.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

    (g) If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy.

    I think the farm supply store is still open. Best head down and get another truck load of straw.

    Steve57 (67f76e)

  88. By the way, Tillman, from the way you use it, I don’t think “intricate” means what you think it means.

    Instead of using intricate, try using “f***ing obvious.” It better conveys the reality of the situation.

    Steve57 (67f76e)

  89. Steve57, you talk as if bulldozing the FBI, from the top all the way down, is as easy as the breeze. I seriously doubt that. What, exactly, is this conspiracy you’re so convinced of?

    While two wrongs don’t make a right, let’s not forget that Bush’s White House lost 22 million emails and used private (or at least RNC) email servers too. Just think of the conspiracies that could be conjured up from that slick trick, Bub.

    Tillman (a95660)

  90. Deroy Murdock on the Clinton Conspiracy </strike Crime Family in National Review May 27, 2016:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435968/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-crime-family-where-politics-and-mafia-meet?target=topic&tid=3525

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  91. I keep on mishandling formatting.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435968/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-crime-family-where-politics-and-mafia-meet

    This is not a conspiracy of which all trace is hidden

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  92. actually the traces are very obvious, if you know where to look,

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3449580/posts

    narciso (732bc0)

  93. @94, in which Tillman demonstrates malfunctioning in this fashion is by design.

    Steve57 (193d96)

  94. @#Tillman (a95660) — 7/14/2016 @ 8:57 pm, I meant.

    Steve57 (193d96)


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