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7/7/2016

Shooting in Dallas [Multiple Updates]

Filed under: General — JVW @ 8:56 pm



[guest post by JVW]

At least two police officers have been shot by snipers in downtown Dallas at a Black Lives Matter rally according to Fox News. Sadly, it appears that one has been killed, and as many as five might be wounded.

Updates will be added as we learn more.

[UPDATE 1] 9:00 pm Pacific – CNN reports that three officers have been killed and eight wounded. This is turning awful very quickly.

[UPDATE 2] 9:03 pm Pacific – The Dallas Morning Herald (their site is unsurprisingly overwhelmed right now) reports that in addition to the three Dallas PD officers, a Dallas Area Rapid Transit officer has been killed.

[UPDATE 3]: From Twitter (obviously):

[UPDATE 4] 10:35 pm Pacific – Regarding the guy who turned himself in, some Twitter users say that it is the brother of one of the march organizers. He has been pictured widely across the internet at the march holding a rifle and the Dallas PD had sent out that photo labeling him a person of interest, but people who know him are pointing out that Texas is an open-carry state and that his whereabouts was accounted for as the sniper shots were being fired.

– JVW

129 Responses to “Shooting in Dallas [Multiple Updates]”

  1. [UPDATE 1]CNN reports that three officers have been killed and eight wounded. This is turning awful very quickly.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  2. I wonder if the cop killer had “intent.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  3. [UPDATE 2]The Dallas Morning Herald (their site is unsurprisingly overwhelmed right now) reports that in addition to the three Dallas PD officers, a Dallas Area Rapid Transit officer has been killed.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  4. 11 cops shot. 1 civilian shot. 2 Dallas PD killed. 1 DART killed. Possible bomb planted.

    Where are the sainted 47%? Why, they are taunting LE who are trying to keep them safe all over the downtown. Save any footage of this you may come across. Big media will be sending all they have down the same rabbit hole the HRC FBI interview notes went.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  5. One of the shooters, a righteous black dude and Soldier of BLM, is not sophisticated enough to realize the consequences of his actions, therefore has no intent but merely gross negligence in the handling of a weapon, which should be a misdemeanor at most.

    It will not be the duty of the police or DA to “get into the head” of the shooter and make up some motive other than gross negligence.

    We expect Hillary to chime in shortly and blame the attack on a hateful anti-BlackLivesMatter Video.

    Pts (ce7fc3)

  6. “Damn. Another moment of silence to schedule in Congress this week.” – Paul Ryan

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  7. The Dallas Morning News still has it being 3 Dallas PD and 1 DART. They haven’t said anything about civilian yet. Of course, it’s pretty difficult to get their pages to load.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  8. A 3rd DPD officer has died.

    There is footage of the POI whose picture DPD has sent out (dude with camo top and a rifle slung) while the shootings occurred. He is on the street, doing nothing. Looks very much like he is not connected in any way.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  9. That Twitter photo is worthless. Open carry is legal and common in Texas and has been, for long arms, for about two decades.

    nk (dbc370)

  10. President Obama is in Warsaw at a NATO meeting. Shortly after landing, he addressed the recent shootings in Minnesota and Louisiana by imploring law enforcement to root out racial bias in their ranks. It’s just about half-past six a.m. in Poland right now, so it will be interesting to see how the President reacts to what is transpiring in Dallas.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  11. Yeah, what Ed said. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  12. Watch KDFW FOX 4 News – LIVE on @livestream:

    http://livestream.com/kdfw/live?t=1467951307

    #DallasMassacre 11 police officers shot. 4 dead.

    The Pamphleteer (63f25f)

  13. It’s not racial bias, Mr. President. It’s giving badges and guns to bullies and cowards. But if the police departments toughen up their recruitment standards, they’ll be sued for employment discrimination.

    nk (dbc370)

  14. Morning News reporting that at least one of the two sniper suspects is cornered in a parking garage at El Centro College near downtown. He’ll probably off himself before we have a chance to hear about who helped poison his mind.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  15. Now we get the chorus on Twitter telling us all to not say anything political. Ever hear any of this when a SJW- or BLM-type screams that cops murder their buddies?

    They can all kiss my asssss. This is an entirely foreseeable result of the incendiary poison spewed by the Left in their culture war on the USA as we have known it. Now that even the media is beginning to make this connection, well, we mustn’t SAY anything other than commiserations. But, God help anyone who has tried to tell them to STFU with their ignorant hatred. Theeeeeey are allowed, even feted, for fomenting hate. We simply have to understaaaaaaaand them.

    I promise you I am stone sober. Furious. But sober.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  16. seriously, that rotgut idiocy from jessie williams, beyonce, the fat toad from flint, where do they think this leads to, rhetorical.

    narciso (732bc0)

  17. In the aftermath of the Walter Scott shooting by an apparently crooked cop last year, a lot of us law-and-order right-wingers were forced the confront the fact that sometimes the Black Lives Matter crew is correct in pointing out that poorly-trained and/or dishonest police are a menace to people everywhere, especially in minority communities. The shootings in Minnesota and Louisiana, though still far from being fully investigated and accurately reported, served to put us on alert that perhaps the cops don’t always deserve the benefit of the doubt. The assassination of cops in Dallas tonight, however, is the worst thing that could have happened to the BLM crowd. Not only does it take away from what should have been a sharp focus on Minnesota and Louisiana, but there’s no doubt that some of the more ugly and rabid elements of BLM are going to have their say and that it won’t be pretty. Looks like we are all going to retreat back to our trenches and look to start slugging it out again.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  18. One of the things that is so awful about tonight is that when the next city holds a Black Lives Matter march or protest rally are the police justified if they attend in full body armor brandishing long weapons? If so, what kind of visual does that present? How does that foster a sense of community between the BLM folks and law enforcement? If you were a cop — or better yet a police captain — wouldn’t you demand that your officers be armored up from here on in?

    JVW (eabb2a)

  19. they don’t give a carp about that, their job is too terrify to silence, thanks to tom perez’s handiwork, the official response is neutered, in every major metropolitan area,

    narciso (732bc0)

  20. [UPDATE 3]: From Twitter (obviously):

    https://twitter.com/dallasnews/status/751272277954572288

    JVW (eabb2a)

  21. Holy crap. FoxNews just showed one of the cops being shot point blank, from behind, as he had charged a guy near a building pillar. The perp doubled back against him and fired several times into the cops’ back.

    Horrible.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  22. who gives a farthing really, the police are the last line of defense, because the schools, the parents the media, our own firebrand chief executive, have sowed a generation of lawlessness,
    who else is going to do the job, they champion anarchism, without regard for the consequences,

    narciso (732bc0)

  23. Provocative thought: If there really was a bomb on the scene, might all of this be an ISIS campaign which just seeks to take advantage of the march as a way to cause terror? I mean, how likely is it that a BLM anarchist agitator would have bomb-making capabilities? On the other hand, the bomb didn’t explode so maybe the guy didn’t know much about bomb-making after all. Yet it seems odd that you would detonate a bomb knowing that some of your fellow BLM activists might be in harm’s way too. If they have indeed captured somebody then I guess a lot of our questions will be answered.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  24. remember the somelivesmatter activists that wanted to take the st, louis arch, others in wait for it, cleveland, occupy activists, who wanted to take down a bridge,

    narciso (732bc0)

  25. How does that foster a sense of community between the BLM folks and law enforcement?

    Who the hell cares? Police the f— out of them.

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  26. “Provocative thought: If there really was a bomb on the scene, might all of this be an ISIS campaign which just seeks to take advantage of the march as a way to cause terror?”

    This did occur to me. So I partially await judgment. But whomever it is, I could give two hoots about building bridges to their community. I care about crushing them with force. If ISIS, not allowing the alien community from which they come to immigrate.

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  27. They’ll put on a sympathy show, the funeral for these Dallas cops will be spectacular, rather than round up and execute all these Democrat-types who are responsible.

    jcurtis (280a19)

  28. “If they have indeed captured somebody then I guess a lot of our questions will be answered.”

    Waterboard them.

    Partially to get info.

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  29. Does it bother anyone else that a sideshow deliberately created by the left wing to distract from the failure of a political party results in the deaths of police officers? Just asking.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  30. If I am a BLM-type citizen of Texas, I am now wondering how many millions will be expended in show trials and appeals for these cretins. Millions that could otherwise be spent for better justice for them. More PDs, for example.

    Then, of course, there will have to be a federal prosecution, right?

    How many felony murder convictions of LE are necessary to execute these sub-humans? Gotta figure a minimum of 20 years until sentence is carried out.

    What will be the point of the overkill of prosecution, which will only serve to delay the appropriate justice?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  31. Texas! They’re usually on the gurney within seven years.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. yes, how long did it take to give james byrds killers the needle, of course since it wasn’t a hate crime, there was that carp from the naacp, and the manbearpigs,

    narciso (732bc0)

  33. Does BLM have the organization and wherewithal to do multiple snipers and possibly a bomb? Maybe not. Legit question.

    11 officers shot, 4 dead. Just awful.

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  34. [UPDATE 4] – Regarding the guy who turned himself in, some Twitter users say that it is the brother of one of the march organizers. He has been pictured widely across the internet at the march holding a rifle and the Dallas PD had sent out that photo labeling him a person of interest, but people who know him are pointing out that Texas is an open-carry state and that his whereabouts was accounted for as the sniper shots were being fired.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  35. DPD Chief Brown says negotiations are still going on with a suspect at El Centro College. The suspect says the end is coming and bombs are planted all around. This is live reporting, so forgive my lack of grammar. Three DPD officers and one DART officer dead.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  36. I’m turning in for the night. We will all obviously have more to say about this tomorrow. It’s half past seven in the morning Warsaw time, so perhaps we will hear from President Obama shortly.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  37. Dallas mayor says we should all heal our wounds and come together.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  38. DPD says active shooter is still cornered in El Centro College and bombs are located around the downtown area.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  39. Again, to be clear, the DPD chief said that the suspect told police that bombs were planted.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  40. Cheof Brown: four people working in concert, and “Female suspect, two other suspects with camo bags have been arrested”

    Dana (995455)

  41. Leaving the one still at the college, I guess.

    Dana (995455)

  42. From all reporting, I have to say that DPD is doing an outstanding job to prevent escalation. By the same token, the protesters have done nothing to create a more dangerous situation.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  43. F*ck. F*ck. F*ck. F*ck*. What the f*cking f*ck?

    Four innocent men dead, a bunch more injured, and a city terrorized – most likely because some a*****es don’t know how to handle their anger without killing innocent people, possibly because some outsider provacateurs are trying to f*ck with us.

    This is a tragedy for the men and their families, and a disaster for the country.

    F*ck.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  44. Tonight is perhaps the poorest possible time for anyone to try to convince anyone else of anything new.

    Tomorrow will bring new facts, hopefully without new tragedies.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  45. JVW, at 16: aye, that’s one of the (multiple) tragedies of the evening.

    JVW, at 17: yes, of course, it’s *totally rational* for a cop or police captain to feel threatened at BLM protests now, and it’s totally rational for them to react in the way you describe. Of course, it’s *also* totally rational for the protesters to then feel threatened by that.

    I wish I knew how to get both sides to not feel threatened by the other and to de-escalate. But this is beyond my skill as a mediator.

    F*ck.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  46. JVW, at 22: one of the things that’s been striking me all night is that there were multiple snipers who were *organized* and whose shots seemed … somewhat more precise than i’d expect from random angry protesters.

    This looks premeditated and planned to me, and that speaks either to (a) a small group of a*****s acting on their own without talking to the rest of the protesters (who, honestly, couldn’t organize something of this scale if they wanted to), a terrorist cell, or some organized undercover attack by a foreign government trying to mess with us.

    Any one of those three is terrible.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  47. Beldar,

    > Tomorrow will bring new facts, hopefully without new tragedies.

    We can only hope and pray.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  48. not really we have seen this in embryo in ferguson and baltimore, with the occupy forces in cleveland if memory serves last time, with dorner in los angeles, the washington navy yard
    shooter,

    narciso (732bc0)

  49. Pre-planned and organized. Not random protestors. They knew there would be a crowd, but they only knew that for a very short time since the death of two black men just happened this week. So were they already trained and ready to go at a moment’s notice? Guns, and possibly bombs… Not amateurs.

    Dana (995455)

  50. michael eric dyson, academic clown dropped a little more kerosene in the times, thursday morning,

    narciso (732bc0)

  51. Ag80 at 41: there’s something very Texan about that, IMO. The criminals notwithstanding, Texas has earned the right to be proud, tonight.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  52. Dana, at 49: that’s what i’m thinking, yeah. :{

    aphrael (3f0569)

  53. I wonder if Obama will label this as domestic terrorism?

    It would put the BLM leadership directly in the federal cross hairs.

    scott (2bad05)

  54. BLM has leadership?

    aphrael (3f0569)

  55. Well, this happened where I live. Police officers were killed for no real reason except because of hate. The police responded responsibly.

    Did anyone expect anything different? Did anyone expect a different outcome from the hatred and agitation of the left?

    By the way, that picture of the guy with the gun posted by DPD. He was apprehended by DPD and he gave up the gun he was lawfully carrying. I know this is true because I saw it on the news with him being taken into custody. He was not involved. He surrendered without incident.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  56. aphrael,

    BLM was founded in 2013 by Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors and Opal Tometi. They have 28 chapters nationwide

    scott (2bad05)

  57. > The police responded responsibly.

    That is to their credit, and to the credit of Texas. I’ve lived in places where I wouldn’t expect the police to respond nearly as well as the police did in this case.

    You also said:

    > By the same token, the protesters have done nothing to create a more dangerous situation.

    Which is similarly to their credit, and to the credit of Texas; I wouldn’t expect the protestors in either NYC or Oakland to be that responsible, and I think that *again* it’s fair to give credit to Texas culture for this.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  58. The black man legally carrying a gun is being interviewed this moment on my TV and he and his brother are saying they helped police. His brother was an organizer of the protest. He was interviewed by police and released and is naturally upset because he is being unfairly condemned for his lawful carrying.

    All Americans have the right to carry. It is time to stop profiling based on race.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  59. The police officers had their civil rights violated.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  60. Five officers dead now according the Dallas Police union.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  61. Five police officers had their civil rights violated by criminals to be clear.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  62. The ones who were shot, and even shot at, had their rights violated too.

    RIP to the innocent cops doing their best to protect.

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  63. Now, the Left is going to try to lionize the original POI, Hughes, as a victim of undue suspicion and disparate treatment by DPD. Keep a good eye out for this meme. The left and the media will be hellbent on deflecting from the blood libel of BHO, SJW, BLM, and others.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  64. I am tired and sick. Four dead DPD officers, one DART. I hope all the SJWs are happy because they are right. There are laws for some, but not for others.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  65. Dallas Police Assoc: A fifth officer has died.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DPA_PoliceAssoc/status/751305457545846784

    Dana (995455)

  66. Obama’s and Mark Dayton’s race baiting can go to hell.

    They’ve also caused more black civilians to be killed because police have pulled back their policing due to not wanting to be unfairly persecuted where a black suspect is concerned.

    So much blood, of black civilians (and those of other races) and police officers who want to protect all people, including black civilians, is on Obama’s hands.

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  67. Final suspect offed himself. Now all that’s left is to see if the others were lying about planted bombs.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  68. Just awful. Powderkeg is an understatement. Obama and Holder own this. Wouldn’t blame police nationwide to go on strike until Obama apologizes for his role. Let the fucking inner cities police themselves and see how that works out.

    vor2 (494009)

  69. Newsman sings his same song 5 more….. Only if black lives matter will blue lives matter.

    newsman (bc3c0e)

  70. this gets Hillary and her little dog comey out of the news

    but i don’t think it helps either of them

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  71. i remember reading this yesterday morning

    June was not a good month for staffing at the Dallas Police Department. The Dallas Police Association says nearly 50 officers resigned over the past month to take jobs in other North Texas cities.

    Over the last month, Mike Mata of the Dallas Police Association says there have been 48 defections of Police officers from the city of Dallas, officers who were trained on the city of Dallas’s dime who have found better paying jobs elsewhere.

    Mata says this kind of ‘mass exodus’ has not been seen in a long time. He believes it’s due to a combination of low pay and low morale that are behind it.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  72. three words missing from the National Soros Radio account of the massacre?

    black lives matter

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  73. (soros owns both organizations)

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  74. Okay. Suppose you and three buddies know the area. You live there, work there, amuse yourself there. Or you wander around doing nothing in particular but recon.
    You sit around gaming this out. What if we…? What if they…?
    You get your weapons and ammo. The only problematic issue is acquiring armor. That might get somebody’s attention.
    Then you hear of the demo. You have, maybe, a day to get it together, which means a couple of phone calls and packing a lunch. Fat, fat targets presented for your convenience in one location.
    Anybody can pick good tactical positions if…you have thought about it and you’re in a downtown area where practically anyplace outside the middle of the street offers tactical advantages. IOW, choreographing is not necessary.
    IMO, putting this together isn’t the big deal. Simple enough.
    It’s the motivation. You have to be so motivated that when the opportunity presents itself, you don’t need to go off for a motivation course someplace. You’re READY. That’s the scary part.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  75. As a retired Army Sniper I want to point out these people are not snipers. They are criminals, killers, haters and perhaps long range shooters but unless they have my MOS they are definitely not snipers. Please don’t give our Snipers a bad name by associating them with this type of criminal action.

    I really hate when leftist journalists call criminals snipers. It’s like when they call semi-automatic rifles “assault weapons” they either are completely ignorant of the subject or are deliberately confusing the two to defame.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  76. Understood, Hoagie.

    I think in average use “sniper” simply means someone hiding behind something at a distance and shooting, nothing else implied about it.

    But yeah, even saw one columnist writing about hearing “automatic” weapons fire.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  77. Police peacefully overseeing a demonstration. Could there be any other reaction than sniper fire and murder?

    What I love about the Obama Years is all the racial healing and respect for The Rule of Law.

    Colonel Haiku (f125a7)

  78. Hoagie. WRT some people, and almost all journalists, we have a combination of natural ignorance and deliberate ignorance. By the time they get educated on something like “sniper” or “assault weapon”, two things have happened; the wrong facts are distributed, and they’re going to forget or pretend to have never known the actual facts they learned.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  79. It’s just that the left has a nasty habit of conflating names. Health care becomes health insurance, abortion becomes choice, freedom of religion becomes freedom from religion, voter ID becomes voter suppression. They do this crap all the time.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  80. Re: 74 – You are absolutely correct, Rev.

    Steve Malynn (4bc33a)

  81. This was a conspiracy by extremely evil people, and whoever are the people who planned it, they are keeping theselves well hidden.

    This is nothing other than an attempt to promote crime. The goal is the de-policing of black neighborhoods (not everywhere, as the political system would never tolerate that, but white people, and well off people (at least rich enough to avoid living in these hellholes) which is the majority, can avoid living theer and shelter themselves form most of the conswueneces.

    The purpose of the de-policing is, in small part, political to avoid competition for incumbents, which will happen as neighborhoods get or stay safer – people of a different ethnic background can move in too, and no amount of gerrymandering can protect black incumbents. Look what happened to the black Congesssional seat in Harlem. A Dominican won, a former illegal alien, but still not from the old black political machine.

    But the main purpose is to make it safe and profitable to sell drugs. The people buying the drugs get the money to pay for it by stealing. If they were to get easily arrested and jailed, there would not be to customers for the drug dealers.

    Make no mistake about it – that is what this is all about.

    The people protesting police killings may not know this, but that is what this is all about – and this agitation has been going on for about two years now. The goal is nothing less than to drive up the crime rate.

    Driving up the crime rate is not an incidental byproduct of what they are after – driving up the street crime rate is the goal so that drug addicts will be able to pay for their drugs.

    And it needs to be called out. Donald Trump won’t do that, because he’s too stupid to understand.

    Sammy Finkelman (88f52d)

  82. Well, Lee Harvey Oswald was called a sniper. They were aiming well enough to shoot only policemen.

    Sammy Finkelman (88f52d)

  83. Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 7/7/2016 @ 11:28 pm

    Police officers were killed for no real reason except because of hate.

    It would be a complete misunderstanding to say this hate. This was business.

    Did anyone expect a different outcome from the hatred and agitation of the left?

    Do not be fooled by this. I do not believe for one minute that the killings of these policemen was motivated by hate. This was nothing personal, only businesa.

    Sammy Finkelman (88f52d)

  84. WRT “snipers”. Couple of years ago, I went to the Texas Book Depository and was able to look out of the very window Oswald used.
    Sheesh. If our Basic Trainees couldn’t have made that shot, we’d get new instructors. Then I recalled Oswald had had a scope.
    It’s odd to call a guy a “sniper” when the range is, say a hundred yards, or even two hundred yards, and the target is in the open.
    Not sure what the point is. Sloppiness? Ignorance? Adding an additional component of ominousity (I made that up, you may use it without attribution) to an event for….some reason?

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  85. As I said, I think in common usage “sniper” means someone hiding from a distance, heck, even 50 yards from a window,
    as opposed to being in view and closer range.

    But yes, people often write with very limited knowledge, sometimes (often depending on the subject) with evil intent to be false to the truth.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  86. It’s the other way around. The “specialists” pedantically appropriating formerly-used words for their jargon. “Automatic” is a good example. Browning called his 1903 pistol an “automatic” and the ammunition for it “.380 Automatic Colt Pistol” (ACP). Ditto for the 1905, the 1911 and .45ACP. Gun writers, who wanted to appear tres sophistique, said “Mais non, mon frere, zat eez not zee automatique, zat is zee semi-automatique. Zee automatic is zee tommy-gun.”

    And one more ditto for the silencer. That’s what Maxim, its inventor, called it. Now, you are not one of the cool kids if you don’t call it a suppressor.

    And you can go nuts over “assault rifle” which originally meant a selective-fire short rifle or carbine firing an intermediate cartridge not as powerful as the standard rifle cartridge but more powerful than the pistol, but which now is a political shibboleth.

    Meh [sneers scornfully].

    nk (dbc370)

  87. Not sure what the point is.

    The point, Richard Aubrey, is leftists generally and journalists specifically assign legitimate military terms to criminal activities, weapons and tactics because they see no difference in their use for either military or criminal activity. This de-legitimatizes the military, which is their goal. It also does the same for law enforcement. People don’t kill people. Assault weapons do. Criminals don’t shoot people from far away. Snipers do. They did it with “Cop-Killer bullets” if you remember. It took around 15 years after they were so named for the first cop to be killed with one. It’s not “ominousity”, it’s nefarious.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  88. We all know, or at least should know, the manipulation of the language is but one arrow in the quiver the left employs to discredit freedom.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  89. Question. In what way is BLM connected with the shootings? Did the gunfire arise from the demonstrators. Or is this a situation where some group took advantage of a known gathering of police to commit some mayhem? Unless BLM was actually connected to the shootings, this is little more than Conservatives repeating the Libtard effort to tie Sarah Palin to the Gabby Gifford shooting.

    Mike Giles (0dfa92)

  90. It’s not only the left. It’s anybody who wants to sell you something. From the Alsatian Wolfdog becoming a German Shepherd to toilet paper becoming bathroom tissue. MD, what does “tissue” mean to you?

    nk (dbc370)

  91. Goalie;artificially increased quantity of ominous is the point.

    Richard Aubrey (472a6f)

  92. I’m glad you now agree (unlike before) that accurate words matter, Hoagie.

    DRJ (15874d)

  93. Jon Gabriel said it nearly two years ago.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  94. Thanks for the edumacation, nk.
    Yes, compared to a single fire, what we refer to today as “semi-automatic” would have appeared to be “automatic” at the time. I guess I have also heard the term “fully automatic” to be a device that keeps firing with one squeeze of the trigger.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  95. I’ve always agreed, DRJ and anger was my point in the previous discussion. And you’re telling me you remembered an obscure comment from May? You should work for the Politburo.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  96. Some lives matter activists whose first iteration were the dream defenders are part of agitation infrastructure.

    narciso (732bc0)

  97. MD, he is crossing the marketing of the item with the definition of it. I think.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  98. 95.Some lives matter activists whose first iteration were the dream defenders are part of agitation infrastructure.
    narciso (732bc0) — 7/8/2016 @ 8:14 am

    Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about, narciso.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  99. This particular provocation was brought to you by the industrial area foundation, and state run media.

    narciso (732bc0)

  100. Question. In what way is BLM connected with the shootings? Did the gunfire arise from the demonstrators. Or is this a situation where some group took advantage of a known gathering of police to commit some mayhem? Unless BLM was actually connected to the shootings, this is little more than Conservatives repeating the Libtard effort to tie Sarah Palin to the Gabby Gifford shooting.

    Mike Giles (0dfa92) — 7/8/2016 @ 7:15 am

    This is more than a bit different. BLM is an amorphous entity. Who is to say if the culprit is or is not a member? It isn’t as if they have a list of official members. It reminds me of the perpetrators of violence at the Occupy Wall Street various encampments. The organizers would say the people committing the violence weren’t actually part of the group. Yet the organizers talk like this:

    http://occupywallst.org/

    …There have been large scale protests and revolutions every generation. And we have records of revolutions going back to ancient Egypt where there is a papyrus that talks about the king being overthrown by the poor people. Occupy Wall Street, the Arab Spring, Black Lives Matter are all episodes in a multi-thousand year uprising that has been going on since the beginning of inegalitarian society. And during Occupy, we were very consciously channeling the spirit of the Arab Spring. And I think that Black Lives Matter very consciously channeled the spirit of Occupy Wall Street. And there will be another movement that will channel the spirit of Black Lives Matter into its movement. This is how we pass along the torch of revolution. It is a beautiful thing…

    If you’re going to preach revolution, uprising, overthowing, somebody will take it seriously. And the truth is that’s the effect people who preach revolution, uprising, and overthrowing want. But then after they go to the very edge but avoid making direct threats that might be actionable, they throw up their hands when somebody decides to act on the hint and say they’re not associated with the perp.

    In December 2014 a black career criminal drove from Baltimore to NYC to kill cops. He murdered two NYPD officers while they were eating lunch in their squad car. Before he did it he sent out a message on instagram how he was going to put “pigs in a blanket.”

    The BLM crowd took it up as a chant. As soon as the protesters in Furgeson heard about the murders they began chanting it. In Minneapolis last August the BLM crowd was disrupting traffic and making general @$$holes of themselves. And they were chanting “Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon.” That is a direct call to kill cops. If you look at the BLM twitter feed you’ll see pics of some members wearing t-shirts that say “Assata Taught Me.” That would be Assata Shakur, convicted cop killer and now fugitive living in Cuba. They use her writings in training sessions. They quote her words at their protests.

    They glorify cop killers. They quote cop killers. You can’t say there is no connection between BLM and cop killing.

    Sarah Palin, on the other hand, had no link to Loughner. She’s just one middle-aged woman with a website. There’s no evidence Loughner even knew about it, much less wass inspired by it. Hell, I’ve never visited her website. And of course she wasn’t preaching revolution, uprising, overthrowing or putting “pigs” in a blanket. She was just using traditional political speech.

    To say these events are remotely similar is comparing apples to pineapples.

    Steve57 (a8355f)

  101. Among the more recent elements were fusion, tv1 and the recently departed Al , all courtesy of mark Lloyd at the FCC.

    narciso (732bc0)

  102. Hoagie:

    And you’re telling me you remembered an obscure comment from May? You should work for the Politburo.

    Stay classy, Hoagie.

    DRJ (15874d)

  103. “If you look at the BLM twitter feed you’ll see pics of some members wearing t-shirts that say “Assata Taught Me.” That would be Assata Shakur, convicted cop killer and now fugitive living in Cuba…They glorify cop killers. They quote cop killers. You can’t say there is no connection between BLM and cop killing.”

    – Steve57

    I would guess that a lot of people in the BLM movement deal with gangs and gang warfare on a daily basis. The glorification of those who kill members of a rival gang is pretty common. Tragic, stupid, and counterproductive – but common.

    White American glorifies cop killers, and black America glorifies cop-killers, and things are getting completely out of hand.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  104. Leviticus was born way too late. In an earlier time, he could’ve defended George Jackson out here in Cali.

    Colonel Haiku (f125a7)

  105. Welcome to 4th generation insurgency warfare. Look up the writings of William S. Lind.

    Ingot (9fba89)

  106. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/five-police-officers-killed-in-dallas-seven-others-injured-during-shooting-at-protest/ar-BBu5IC9?li=BBnb7Kz?ocid=ansmsnnews11

    …Before they sent in the robot, Brown said, a hostage negotiator talked to the suspect at length.

    In those conversations, Brown said the suspect, who was not identified, told police that “he was upset about Black Lives Matter” and angered by the recent police shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota that dominated national news this week.

    “He said he was upset about the recent police shootings,” Brown said during a Friday morning news conference. “The suspect said he was upset at white people. The suspect stated he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers.”…

    I have to say a lot of these killers have been mentally unstable. The killer of Harris County Deputy Sheriff Darren Goforth had been found incompetent and spent six months in a mental hospital for a prior assault. He beat up another man at a homeless shelter for control of the remote. He was never convicted as the other man disappeared (homeless people are like that).

    The Dallas atrocity isn’t going to be one of those cases. It defies all odds and reasons that a group of deranged individuals would form into a group, and develop and execute this sort of plan.

    Steve57 (a8355f)

  107. The black power organization has claimed credit, lone wolf my eye.

    narciso (732bc0)

  108. Do the suspects get to hire Comey to change the rules?

    mg (31009b)

  109. They were Muslims, of course.

    About what I expected (I had my doubts about a black organization, by themselves, organizing this).

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  110. Have Democrats renounced the Black Supremecist Organization and self censored their own hate speech versus Whites?

    Rodney King's Spirit (5b9321)

  111. It may sound crazy, at first, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin and his minions have a hand in what’s going on.

    http://www.npr.org/2014/06/12/321392873/are-color-revolutions-a-new-front-in-u-s-russia-tensions

    …FLINTOFF: In Russia, the term color revolution has come to mean popular uprisings, like the 2004 Orange Revolution in Ukraine. Russian officials give it the negative connotation of a violent upheaval that overthrows the legitimate authorities and destabilizes the state. According to this view, color revolutions would include the Arab Spring revolts in Egypt, Libya and Syria, and, of course, the latest revolution in Ukraine. The Russian defense minister says it’s all about control of resources…

    The Russians have lately been up to similar nastiness in Europe. Of course, in Europe the Russians have been causing the violence. But BLM would make ideal proxies for them in the US.

    Steve57 (a8355f)

  112. Filed under “Obama Years: Racial Healing/Rule of Law…

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dallas-police-shooting-black-power-8378177

    Colonel Haiku (236f6f)

  113. The insane policies of NATO constantly encroaching further on Russia and instigating a coup in the Ukraine, overturning the elected government favored by Eastern Ukrainians of Russian decent, is what caused the nastiness in Europe.

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  114. 32. Denver Guy (09f80c) — 7/7/2016 @ 10:29 pm

    Does BLM have the organization and wherewithal to do multiple snipers and possibly a bomb? Maybe not. Legit question.

    BLM is probably part of the same large conspiracy, but it is not the organizational means through which this was done. And not everybody who is part of this conspiracy, understands all parts of this.

    By the way, the killers may possibly have been sincere in their hatred, but I don’t think the same holds true for whoever organized this. I don’t think hate was the motive, but something much more cynical.

    11 officers shot, 4 dead. Just awful.

    They are saying 5 dead now.

    One of the attackers was killed by a police bomb. Police were negotiating with him and he said quite a lot, mainly that police had killed some black men, and he wanted to kill white people, especially white policemen. He claimed to have bombs, much like Omar Mateen in Orlando. In the case of Mateen that also provoked the police to act after letting the standoff last 3 hours there. Somebody maybe knows this. Somebody knows police protocol. Somebody told him what to say. Anyway, the police in Dallas were afraid of more, and so they sent in a robot with an explosive device, and detonated where he was present.

    The Dallas Police Department is very professional in not shooting any innocent people, but will they be professional in not doing any de-policing any place? That’s the acid test here.

    I don’t think this was a local conspiracy – the attacks were not followed up by any looting.

    Sammy Finkelman (88f52d)

  115. Flintoff is a fool, film at eleven.

    narciso (732bc0)

  116. 106. narciso (732bc0) — 7/8/2016 @ 9:22 am

    The black power organization has claimed credit, lone wolf my eye.

    Claims of responsibiliy for terrrorist acts, are always disinformation, designed to make the organization behind it look smaller and more amaterish than it is, and carve away the persons really responsible. Now in the case of benghazi, another cover sory, that of a spontaneous attack, seemed to be having more success than was really expected, so Ansar al Sharia disavowed the claim of responsibility made by someone speaking for them on the Internet.

    Sammy Finkelman (88f52d)

  117. Flintoff may be a fool, narciso, but lots of others in the know and who aren’t fools have been saying something very similar.

    Steve57 (a8355f)

  118. Actually two people who were not police were also shot by the “snipers”

    Sammy Finkelman (88f52d)

  119. Except in the sense, that rt has been agitating slm and occupy

    narciso (732bc0)

  120. BLM is probably part of the same large conspiracy, but it is not the organizational means through which this was done. And not everybody who is part of this conspiracy, understands all parts of this.

    By the way, the killers may possibly have been sincere in their hatred, but I don’t think the same holds true for whoever organized this. I don’t think hate was the motive, but something much more cynical.
    [“…”]

    One of the attackers was killed by a police bomb. Police were negotiating with him and he said quite a lot, mainly that police had killed some black men, and he wanted to kill white people, especially white policemen. He claimed to have bombs, much like Omar Mateen in Orlando. In the case of Mateen that also provoked the police to act after letting the standoff last 3 hours there. Somebody maybe knows this. Somebody knows police protocol. Somebody told him what to say. Anyway, the police in Dallas were afraid of more, and so they sent in a robot with an explosive device, and detonated where he was present.

    The Dallas Police Department is very professional in not shooting any innocent people, but will they be professional in not doing any de-policing any place? That’s the acid test here.

    I don’t think this was a local conspiracy – the attacks were not followed up by any looting.

    Couldn’t agree more—every point here.

    Denver Guy (09f80c)

  121. TEXAS OPEN CARRY + NO ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN = 5 DEAD DALLAS COPS. THANK YOU, NRA.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  122. 101.Hoagie:

    And you’re telling me you remembered an obscure comment from May? You should work for the Politburo.

    Stay classy, Hoagie.
    DRJ (15874d) — 7/8/2016 @ 8:35 am

    Stay. Classy. Hoagie. What does that mean, DRJ? That I have no class? Did I somehow insult you so you needed to insult me back? I was pointing out that you were going back to re-argue a post from two months ago not address the current one. My snide comment about the Politburo was because that was one of their tactics to incriminate a citizen, go back and make him defend something from earlier an earlier. That is what you were trying to do, wasn’t it? I was also amazed you have either the memory or some sort of technical way of doing so.

    Rev. Hoagie® (0f4ef6)

  123. Hoagie:

    Stay. Classy. Hoagie. What does that mean, DRJ? That I have no class? Did I somehow insult you so you needed to insult me back? I was pointing out that you were going back to re-argue a post from two months ago not address the current one. My snide comment about the Politburo was because that was one of their tactics to incriminate a citizen, go back and make him defend something from earlier an earlier. That is what you were trying to do, wasn’t it? I was also amazed you have either the memory or some sort of technical way of doing so.

    I was trying to gently (with links instead of a lengthy, obvious explanation of your double-standards) remind you that you called me another lawyer splitting words when I talked about the importance of accurate words. Thus, today, when I saw you discuss the importance of using the word “sniper” correctly, it reminded me of our earlier discussion.

    My initial thought was that you would see my comment and grasp that when specific words matter to someone — such as “sniper” to you and legal terms to me — being careful and accurate is important. I thought you would say something like, “I see your point more clearly now, DRJ, and I agree that the words we use matter.”

    Instead, you taunted me for being able to remember something that happened 6 weeks ago (that is not ancient history, btw) and compared me to a Soviet apparatchik. Yes, Hoagie that’s classless.

    DRJ (15874d)

  124. FRIDAY NEWS DUMP: @MarkKirk raises just $1M in the second quarter, has $3.1M on hand. @TammyforIL raised $2.7M, has $5.5M on hand.

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  125. End of an era: Chicago’s last Oreo line shut down Friday

    i can’t even

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  126. Black Cookie, White Heart.

    Colonel Haiku (236f6f)

  127. Instead, you taunted me for being able to remember something that happened 6 weeks ago (that is not ancient history, btw) and compared me to a Soviet apparatchik. Yes, Hoagie that’s classless.

    DRJ (15874d) — 7/8/2016 @ 2:14 pm

    No!!! That’s Savantness and it’s endearing!

    Colonel Haiku (236f6f)


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