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6/20/2016

Socialism Succeeds Again: Starvation in Venezuela

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:30 am



Socialism/communism has killed more people than any other belief system in history. Now people are starving in Venezuela:

With delivery trucks under constant attack, the nation’s food is now transported under armed guard. Soldiers stand watch over bakeries. The police fire rubber bullets at desperate mobs storming grocery stores, pharmacies and butcher shops. A 4-year-old girl was shot to death as street gangs fought over food.

Venezuela is convulsing from hunger.

Hundreds of people here in the city of Cumaná, home to one of the region’s independence heroes, marched on a supermarket in recent days, screaming for food. They forced open a large metal gate and poured inside. They snatched water, flour, cornmeal, salt, sugar, potatoes, anything they could find, leaving behind only broken freezers and overturned shelves.

And they showed that even in a country with the largest oil reserves in the world, it is possible for people to riot because there is not enough food.

Vin Scully sums up my reaction:

Anyway. 0 and 2.

35 Responses to “Socialism Succeeds Again: Starvation in Venezuela”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. Venezuelans fully deserve what they are getting. They choose ingratitude, envy and hatred of those with more when they choose Chavez. Not let them eat cake. Maybe next time they choose differently.

    With respect to the Left — it is evil. No shocker here. This is why I get confused over the Trump Hillary discussion. It shows to me people are ignorant of the Left.

    Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e)

  3. The saddest thing is that even if the country came to its senses, embraced the free market, returned nationalized property to its owners, and disavowed socialism forever, it would still take 20 years for Venezuela to dig itself back out of the hole it’s put itself in.

    matt d (d4aa6f)

  4. Vin Scully is the bomb.
    I’d long heard that he is a conservative.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  5. No doubt the Obama Administration will start insisting that it is our moral duty to take in 300,000 Venezuelan refugees, though for a country of over 30 million people that would barely but a dent in the massive problem they face.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  6. Venezuela’s crisis just shows that all Venezuelans need to be brought to the United States and given citizenship.

    Duh.

    Dejectedhead (787359)

  7. 3.The saddest thing is that even if the country came to its senses, embraced the free market, returned nationalized property to its owners, and disavowed socialism forever, it would still take 20 years for the United States to dig itself back out of the hole it’s put itself in.

    You’re welcome, matt d.

    Rev. Hoagie® (734193)

  8. JVW,

    You’d think that Argentina might have room for Venezuelan refugees in their left wing paradise. Or Cuba. Or did someone yell out, “How ’bout Bolivia!?” (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  9. Get ready for the democrats to begin wailing about how Venezuela is too big to fail. I can almost feel my pockets being picked by democrats. For the children, of course.

    Rev. Hoagie® (734193)

  10. In case you don’t know, two of our closest allies are much more socialistic than we are. Those two happen to be both England and Israel. But I guess that’s perfectly fine.

    And keep trying to conflate communism with socialism. It’s cute.

    Tillman (a95660)

  11. and venezuela is funding spain’s syriza counterpart, ‘yes we can” I’m not kidding,

    narciso (732bc0)

  12. the venezuela losers can’t even conflate rice with beans

    so not cute

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  13. That’s Perry, right?

    You reap what you sow. May all socialists get their just desserts, but stop trying to take us capitalists down with you.

    njrob (106463)

  14. 4. – He’s aged out of fair fight consideration, but could you imagine the riot if a he got caught on a live feed during a Dodger home game disparaging Messicans.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  15. #10 Tillman,

    Two of our closest allies (England, Israel) are more socialist than we are.
    So what?
    What difference does that make? Are you suggesting we shouldn’t be allies with any nation that is more left-of-center than we are?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  16. right because national petroleum, is a thing, they even nationalized the supermarkets down there,

    narciso (732bc0)

  17. #15 Cruz Supporter – If Socialism is the absolute evil that many want to say it is, then our closest allies should not be socialist(ic), right? Or, we have to accept that socialism isn’t as bad as we thought it was in the first place.

    Here is what should be a concern to us (and yes, I said “us”). Most millennials do not support capitalism. That was shocking to me. It would help if companies would refrain from pulling stunts like what happened a few years ago – selling us dog food that kills our dogs! (On the other hand, there are a lot of great, ethical companies out there too of course, I know.)

    Tillman (a95660)

  18. Tillman,

    You’re amusingly detached from reality.
    Our nation maintains foreign alliances based on various factors, but essentially, foreign policy is predicated upon a nation’s self-interest. Foreign alliances are more than just a situation where you join a Facebook page with other people who share your passion for listening to Motley Crue, or crocheting, or building model airplanes.
    Tillman, you really must have an empty life if you don’t have friends whose politics are different than yours.

    By the way, since England and Israel are allies with us, shouldn’t that suggest to them that free market capitalism is the way and the light?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  19. 14.4. – He’s aged out of fair fight consideration, but could you imagine the riot if a he got caught on a live feed during a Dodger home game disparaging Messicans.
    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/20/2016 @ 10:21 am

    Why would he do that? Has Mexico turned far let socialist or communist? Or is it now racist to defame a nations politics?

    Rev. Hoagie® (734193)

  20. Cruz Supporter, it’s simple. Not long ago, well, okay, long ago, Nixon had the nerve to go talk to Communist China. There was a lot of outrage, and gnashing of teeth, especially from the right. That was just for him going over there and talking to them – not for making them one of our closest allies. So, if we’re close allies with a country, we must not abhor their state’s type of government. Therefore, socialism (not communism!) isn’t all bad, to us. Learn some history.

    Tillman (a95660)

  21. This kind of thing is even worse than the usual socialism. It didn’t happen in the Soviet Union (except when Stalin was deliberately starving peasants, amd maybe also for 3 years undr Lenin, at which point he iniaitiated the “New Economic Policy” and let Herbert Hoover feed the people) and it didn’t happen in Cuba.

    This is incompetence loaded up on top of socialism – a very rigorous imposing of impossible conditions on business. It’s like Nicholas Maduro doesn’t expect what’s happening to happen and instead he demonizes business. He doesn’t want to give an inch to the opposition.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  22. And keep trying to conflate communism with socialism. It’s cute.
    Tillman (a95660) — 6/20/2016 @ 9:34 am

    It’s not “cute”, it’s a human tragedy. Socialism is the last step toward communism according to the communists so they are only different in degree. Once Venezuela goes total commie it too can murder people in gulags like Cuba and other “pure” communists do. Wont you think that’s “cute” Tillman?

    Rev. Hoagie® (734193)

  23. Tillman,

    Put down the crack pipe.
    It’s destructive, no matter what your dealer tells you otherwise.

    Look, we know you hate Israel.
    You don’t have to be a weasel and try to assert some obtuse argument for why you want the USA to drop Israel as an ally.
    Just admit the truth, and be transparent about it, buddy boy. You’ll feel better once you do.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  24. So, if we’re close allies with a country, we must not abhor their state’s type of government. Therefore, socialism (not communism!) isn’t all bad, to us. Learn some history.
    Tillman (a95660) — 6/20/2016 @ 11:44 am

    We need neither abhor nor adopt their policies. Why would we? Where do you get that idea? It’s you who “conflate” allies with trading partners. They are not necessarily the same thing.

    Rev. Hoagie® (734193)

  25. Tillman,

    Who says we must embrace our allies’ domestic policies?
    WTF does that have to do with anything?

    Have you ever had a work colleague who had different politics than you? Did you quit your job because of it?
    Jesus Christ, the left wingers they send us these days….(LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  26. This was the main front page story in the New York Times today. The headline on the printed page is:

    Pillaging by Venezuelans
    Reveals Depths of Hunger
    ———————-
    A Lament in a Failing Economy: `If There Is
    No Food, There Will Be More Riots’

    Nicholas Maduro is trying to prevent a recall vote. And all he does is demonize business owners and the opposition.

    From the article:

    Sugar fields in the country’s agricultural center lie fallow for lack of fertilizers. Unused machinery rots in shuttered state-owned factories. Staples like corn and rice, once exported, now must be imported and arrive in amounts that do not meet the need.

    In response, Mr. Maduro has tightened his grip over the food supply. Using emergency decrees he signed this year, the president put most food distribution in the hands of a group of citizen brigades loyal to leftists, a measure critics say is reminiscent of food rationing in Cuba.

    “They’re saying, in other words, you get food if you’re my friend, if you’re my sympathizer,” said Roberto Briceño-León, the director of the Venezuelan Violence Observatory, a human rights group….

    …Mr. Maduro, who is fighting a push for a referendum to recall him this year over the country’s declines, said it was the political opposition that was behind the attacks on the stores.

    “They paid a group of criminals, brought them in trucks,” he said on Saturday on television, promising compensation to those who lost property.

    At the same time, the government also blames an “economic war” for the shortages. It accuses wealthy business owners of hoarding food and charging exorbitant prices, creating artificial shortages to profit from the country’s misery.

    It has left shop owners feeling under siege, particularly those who do not have Spanish names..

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  27. 20. It is not all racist to disparage a country’s existing economic system, particularly one that has derived from a small but forcefull chain of strong men who have rooted their misery from Russia to “Republican” Spain to Cuba and to Meso and South America. But on some level, you may think that Scully looks down on the crowds and gets wistful with the many years of seeing incidents like the EMT from the Bay Area and seeing maybe muffin-topped heavily tatooed ex-cholas where it once was classic SoCal pulchritude as far as the eye could see. Like I say it would have to be a mike that was thought to have been turned off.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  28. Hey Sammy, your post in 27 disagrees with your post in 22 regarding Cuba.

    Socialism destroys and impoverishes. That is all.

    njrob (106463)

  29. 29. njrob (106463) — 6/20/2016 @ 3:09 pm

    Hey Sammy, your post in 27 disagrees with your post in 22 regarding Cuba.

    There’s rationing in Cuba, but there’s not near total unavailability of food.

    Number 22 says this kind of thing what’s happening in Venezuela didn’t happen in Cuba – and it didn’t. Number 27 quotes critics as saying that putting food distribution in the hands of a group of citizen brigades loyal to leftists is reminiscent of food rationing in Cuba.

    However, what’s happening now is even worse than rationing. A reporter for the New York Times doesn’t have any trouble finding people being very short on food, and willing to be quoted (it’s not quite a totalitarian state there) Not all members of a family can get to eat. Many people, in the middle of the day, say they didn’t eat yet today.

    A survey by Simón Bolívar University found that 87 percent of the people in Venezuela do not have (enough) money to buy enough food. A group associated with the Venezuelan Teachers Federation, Center for Documentation and Social Analysis, says that 72 percent of monthly wages are now being spent just to buy food (are they, or were, loyal to Chavez? Is their recommendation raising wages?)

    In April, it found that a family would need the equivalent of 16 minimum-wage salaries to properly feed itself.

    Sammy Finkelman (7a22e4)

  30. I Don’t cry for you Venezuela. You voted for exactly what you are getting.

    f1guyus (5a4596)

  31. Vin Scully’s comment was printed today on page A11 (op-ed page) of the Wall Street Journal.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-vin-scully-on-socialism-1466465176

    June 20, 2016 7:26 p.m. ET

    Sportscaster Vin Scully commenting on air Friday, with the Milwaukee Brewers’ Hernan Perez up at bat:

    Perez, 25 years old, originally drafted by the Tigers. Lives in Venezuela. Boy, can you imagine, you’re a young kid playing in the United States, you’re from Venezuela, and every time you look at the news it’s a nightmare. A bunt attempt is missed—runners are holding, 0-and-2. Socialism failing to work, as it always does, this time in Venezuela. You talk about giving everybody something free and all of a sudden, there’s no food to eat. And who do you think is the richest person in Venezuela? The daughter of Hugo Chavez. Hello! Anyway, 0-and-2.

    I didn’t know this about Hugo Chavez’s daughter. It seems like a lot of money was put in her name. (She’s not the oldest daughter)

    Here is a story about Hugo Chavez’ daughter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192933/Hugo-Chavez-s-ambassador-daughter-Venezuela-s-richest-woman-according-new-report.html

    After her father’s death in 2013 and until her appointment to the United Nations as alternate ambassador, Chavez continued to live in the presidential mansion, forcing the current president Nicolas Maduro to remain at the vice presidential home.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  32. The New York Times had an editorial about this today. It seems they have decided that the remedy is for the Organization of American States to say something. They are complaining that they are not.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/opinion/standing-up-for-democracy-in-venezuela.html

    It says countries are divided into 3 categories:

    There have been unabashed enablers, a shrinking but resolute camp of left-wing governments that have served as apologists for the despotic president. There are the co-opted, a pack of Caribbean and Central American nations that have turned a blind eye to Mr. Maduro’s abuses in exchange for subsidized oil. And there are the ambivalent, a large and powerful group of nations that only gently criticize the government of Venezuela, if at all, for its mounting human rights violations.

    It says also that

    The government has been refusing offers of humanitarian aid

    There is notword in the editorial about the United States. I guess that the United States doing something or saying somnething would be imperialism. They imply, but don’t say, that Venezuela should be expelled from the OAS.

    The sole refeernce to the United States is this:

    On Thursday, diplomats from across the hemisphere are scheduled to convene in Washington at the request of Luis Almagro, the secretary general of the Organization of American States, to discuss Venezuela’s descent into chaos. Key members of this organization, including Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Peru and the United States, should demand that the Venezuelan government start allowing the delivery of humanitarian aid and permit the opposition to hold a referendum on whether Mr. Maduro’s term should end early.

    The United States ismentioned last,but maybe that’s alphabetical order.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  33. the old soviet era humor magazine, had a joke that is communism came to egypt, in 50 years they’d run out of sand, that is the nature of state controlled economies,

    narciso (732bc0)

  34. One of the old Soviet era jokes was about a guy who finally piled up enough Rubles to buy a Lada.

    Dealer: Great comrade. Your car will be delivered in ten years.

    Comrade: Morning or afternoon?

    Dealer: What difference does it make? It’s ten years.

    Comrade: Yes but it’s the same day the plumber is coming.

    Steve57 (ecac13)


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