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6/9/2016

Regarding the Chatterers’ Call for Delegates to “Dump Trump”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:37 am



Hugh Hewitt has become one of many GOP chatterers to argue that delegates should be free to vote their conscience and dump Donald Trump:

Conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt argued Wednesday morning that the Republican Party should make an unprecedented effort to change the Republican National Convention rules to allow them to dump Donald Trump as their nominee.

“It’s like ignoring stage-four cancer. You can’t do it, you gotta go attack it,” Hewitt said. “And right now the Republican Party is facing — the plane is headed towards the mountain after the last 72 hours.”

Hewitt said he disagreed with Republican senators like Lindsey Graham and Mark Kirk who said they could not vote for their party’s nominee. “I wanna support the nominee of the party, but I think the party ought to change the nominee. Because we’re going to get killed with this nominee.”

Speaking as an #ExGOP member and impartial observer: this is insane.

I don’t want to personalize my reaction or focus on Hewitt; his opinion is one held by many other people. But for better or for worse (OK, clearly for worse), Trump is the guy preferred by more Republican voters. To simply chuck out their judgment and replace it with another would be suicide for the GOP — and over what? Some stupid comments Trump made about a federal judge?

I think Trump’s comments were ridiculous on many levels. There is nothing to indicate the judge was motivated in any of his decisions (such as certifying the class or denying summary judgment) by a proposal for a wall that hadn’t even been made yet. While some have tried to cling to a weak argument that the judge is a member of a group connected to La Raza, this is like holding my blog responsible for idiot comments made in a blog on my blogroll — and anyway, this isn’t Trump’s argument. Trump’s argument is simply “we believe he’s Mexican” when a) he isn’t and b) if he were Muslim, Trump admitted that he thinks that could be a problem too. It’s arguing that one’s ethnicity makes one so biased that they can’t hear your case. That has never been the standard and never could be the standard. Trump is also probably sending out a signal to the alt right that he’s cool with demonizing Muslims and people of Mexican heritage, and many of them are lapping it up.

That said, Trump’s argument isn’t “racism” per se. Watching all the GOPers run away from it as if he came out and said “I hate n-words” or something like that is frankly hilarious.

And what’s more, there’s absolutely nothing new about any of this. Are we now shocked to learn that Donald Trump makes stupid statements? That he mounts idiotic arguments in favor of his scammy scammy Trump U.? That he likes to give a wink and a nod to the more openly racist of his followers when it comes to “Mexicans” or Muslims? Um, no. This is who he is. As Allahpundit said after Mitch McConnell warned Trump to get back on message: this is his message.

And it’s what GOP voters chose. And I doubt any of this bothers his voters one bit.

So, GOP establishment types, you’re just going to have to ride this one out. January, February, March, and April of this year — those were the times to speak up. Those were the times to support Ted Cruz. But you didn’t do it, because you don’t like him either. Because he’s the guy who would have actually done what Donald Trump just talks about: change the influence of corrupt cronyism in Washington.

You’re like someone who had a chance to get out of the line for the rollercoaster, but now you’re frantically waving to the operator to stop! stop! I want to get off!

The answer is no. And as we creep slowly up that steep, steep hill, and you think about the terror that’s about to come when you get to the top and stare over the drop, just remember:

You bought the ticket. Now it’s time to take the ride.

207 Responses to “Regarding the Chatterers’ Call for Delegates to “Dump Trump””

  1. I will continue to point out that Trump has a record number of votes against him,
    and if the goal of a nomination process is to pick a candidate that the majority of the group can support, Trump is not the person.

    Now, what they can, could, should, or will do about it I have little say in,
    except to say that it is still early June.

    MD in Philly (d8a244)

  2. Judge Curiel has dual citizenship. He is an American citizen from his birth, and he holds Mexican citizenship through his parents.

    American law doesn’t recognize other citizenships as any kind of barrier to anything, but Judge Curiel is definitely also a Mexican citizen.

    Ingot (1de9ec)

  3. the effete harvardtrash elites are super-worried Mr. Trump won’t be constrained by The Rules so they want to change them

    arbitrarily

    happyfeet (831175)

  4. I think Amash and “Congressman X” should run as an independent throw all of them out party.

    MD in Philly (d8a244)

  5. Fwiw, I have ignored everything Trump for the last year, just like I “ignored” everything Obama has ever said,
    their history is there to tell you what to expect,
    and unless one is in a position to do something about it,
    there are more productive things to do than participate in the outrage of the day.

    MD in Philly (d8a244)

  6. Those were the times to support Ted Cruz. But you didn’t do it, because you don’t like him either. Because he’s the guy who would have actually done what Donald Trump just talks about: change the influence of corrupt cronyism in Washington.

    And those who chose silence when a thunderous support would have been appropriate include a number of nominally “conservative”, newly elected, Senators, like Sasse. The Republican Party is a wasteland.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  7. good point Mr. Bob

    happyfeet (831175)

  8. People went into this knowing the rules. If they want to change the rules, change them for the next cycle.

    Wanting to change the rules now reminds me of Democrats who want to ignore electoral votes when their guy wins a plurality of the popular vote but loses the electoral college.

    Malclave (cd7ef4)

  9. Cruz said very nice things about Trump, until it became clear that Trump could actually beat Cruz and was the competition. Cruz was pretty clearly part of the problem.

    (But otherwise I agree with our host: The delegates can’t run off; Trump should be the party’s candidate, and then the party should try to do better next time. Which cannot be hard.)

    The Republican pro-Hillary don’t-blame-me-I-voted-for-Kodos folks have my sympathies, though I’m going off the board and wasting my vote.

    JRM (de6363)

  10. Actually no, when Obama promised he wound fundamentally transform, electricity prices would skyrocket, one had to pay attend
    Ton to that, now dubious proposals like you can keep your doctor And your plan, that you would save 2500 dollars on average, that’s something else again,
    5

    narciso (732bc0)

  11. If by chance they succeed at denying Trump the nomination, please use beauty pageant rules and give the ticket to Cruz. Dont scuttle the rightful victor and pull a replacement candidate out of the anus, like what was done to Jack Ryan in IL’s 2004 senate race (Alan Keyes). 2nd place finisher Jim Oberweis should have gotten that nod (but of course he was 2015 Trump before 2015 Trump with his illegal aliens in helicopters filling up Soldier Field TV ads). Oberweis was all talk, as I imagine a dairy conglomerate would be, seeing as Scott Walker hews to that crowd also.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  12. You do miss the point, Cruz got as far he did with the headwinds that Paul singer and Ricketts drove, to block support from accruing to him, probably adelson to a degree,

    narciso (732bc0)

  13. whoa there pikachu with a removable red nose

    referee just tossed a flag

    you turned your clowny clown snotty noisenose up at many a candidate from team R with pervy nicknames what are out of high school and lies lies lies

    but now you be all enthusiastic kneepad boy with pom poms in a pretty pretty sundress for bad toupees nuttier than squirrel poopers

    no bueno

    dippy dippy pikachus more interested in lulz than solving problems

    now the future is upon us like irs day and lois lerner or that alien d00d in charge now avoiding prosecution

    wonderpets wont help us

    you helped make the mess so like mr P says ride the ride you paid for

    trumpyfeet (4a63ad)

  14. Cruz was pretty clearly part of the problem.

    If you are basing your analysis on Cruz’s facial features, then I can see your point. Or, if you’re saying Cruz didn’t attempt to intimidate the families of his opponents, didn’t use Roger Stone to make baseless charges against his opponent’s character, didn’t rely on National Enquirer “experts” to make similar slurs against his opponent’s father, then I can agree with you. Cruz didn’t do those things. But in this case I’m concerned that you must think thuggish, junk-yard-dog attacks are the solution to what ails us, since not doing those things is “part of the problem”.

    Just what “problem” did Cruz contribute to?

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  15. I agree, it’s insane, and for a lot of people that rift could never be repaired.

    What I find amusing is this: there are innumerable substantive criticisms to be made of Trump, but this silly comment is supposed to be the burden that the GOP simply can’t bear in order to support him? Seriously? The scam university, the multitudes of business failures, the serial flip-flopping on his stances, his past friendship with the Clintons, his past endorsement of gun control…..that’s less compelling than one minor comment?

    radar (14e3a6)

  16. Seriously, Murphy, dayspring and company, should be shunned.

    narciso (732bc0)

  17. Had they done something about referees at the debates, the open primaries, but they do less than nothing, heck they can’t even get regular appropriations passed,

    narciso (732bc0)

  18. What policy answers did they offer on amnesty on the salami question

    narciso (732bc0)

  19. Who says this comment about the judge is the impetus for wanting to dump Trump? That’s a false premise.
    It’s more like it’s the final straw of a litany of boneheaded comments he’s made. As Hewitt says, “The plane is headed toward the mountain.”

    We’re going to lose with Trump.
    Trump Firsters remind me of the bride-to-be who is too blinded by romantic fairytales to acknowledge that her groom-to-be is a bad apple with a mean streak, despite everyone tugging at her wedding gown saying, “Donald’s a bad apple with a mean streak.”

    This wedding needs to be called off.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  20. Salafi question, you think autocorrect isn’t biased,

    narciso (732bc0)

  21. We’re going to lose with Trump? Most likely….we’ll lose with an anointed convention candidate too. As a brave pioneer who just made herstory! said, what difference, at this point, does it make?

    I understand the reasons why Trumpkins feel the way they do. I just don’t understand how they make the giant leap from that to the notion that a New York con man is the remedy for their ills.

    radar (14e3a6)

  22. Mr. Trump is the #1 alternative to puddles.

    This is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis.

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. I, as an Independent, have never before, been ready for a third party. But today, I find myself not as resolved. I’m sure that whatever third party gels from this fallout – let’s call it the “Vanguard party “- if it gels, will be miss-characterized as the refuge of the Republican (and perhaps Democrat) refuse. If this third party is to have a chance, it must draw all the disaffected from the political spectrum.

    felipe (429749)

  24. But for better or for worse (OK, clearly for worse), Trump is the guy preferred by more Republican voters.

    No, he is not. Three million more Republicans voted against him than for him.

    I completely support the Don’t be a Chump, Dump Trump movement. Let the delegates pick someone else. Trump will lose regardless, so even if its throwing the election, that’s fine. Let’s reject Trumpism and choose a decent candidate. People want to blow it up? Let’s blow it up.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  25. Judge Curiel has dual citizenship. He is an American citizen from his birth, and he holds Mexican citizenship through his parents.

    American law doesn’t recognize other citizenships as any kind of barrier to anything, but Judge Curiel is definitely also a Mexican citizen.

    Ingot (1de9ec) — 6/9/2016 @ 7:56 am

    No he is not. A) There was no concept of dual citizenship in Mexico when Curiel was born (Pre-1998). B) After 1998, Mexico, like many countries, requires an affirmative action to become dual citizen when born in another country and is a citizen thereof, and Curiel has not taken that step. C) Even if he had, Mexico law denies citizenship to any person who has taken a government position.

    As usually, Trumpalos don’t care about facts.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  26. Yes, radar, the GOP is divided and they will fall.

    Let the Silence fall!
    Let the darkness fall!
    Let the band play on!

    felipe (429749)

  27. don’t be a grumpy nevertrump instead let’s dump the frumpy sump

    happyfeet (831175)

  28. pikachu pikachu

    put down those sweaty pom poms

    the first stage of healing is accepting your mistakes

    your boyfriend is the #1 alternative to shake weight commercials

    have you seen them?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W0FfkaIEXE

    this is closer tho

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shake-weight-dvd/n12784

    braggy yelly brain damage boy would be the bestest

    qvc

    hucksters be hucksters

    plus he is ohso classy

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/porn-stars-donald-trump/2933543?onid=148621

    if you think you arent being conned you are the mark

    http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/01/why-we-all-fall-for-con-artists.html

    this is much more obvious than what you gritted from behind your betrayed teeth

    you tried to love him good enough

    move on pikachu you are a good person on your own

    move on

    trumpyfeet (4a63ad)

  29. At times of family crisis, especially a death, grief drives people to say and do things they should. My rule of thumb is to suspend criticism in such times and try to show as much compassion as possible.

    We seem to be having a bit of a family crisis in the GOP right now and there are pundits/ bloggers/ commenters I know and love who are doing and saying things they shouldn’t. For them, I’ll at least mute my criticism.

    You are right, of course: we’ve made the bed; now we sleep in it.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  30. #23 Felipe,

    Come on, man, as an Independent, of course you’re ready for a third party.
    That’s the whole goddamn point of not belonging to either of the two major parties — you’re looking for an alternative pathway.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  31. you’ll never know dear how much i love him

    pls don’t take my trumpshine away

    happyfeet (831175)

  32. It is amazing the hate spewed by Trump supporters over at PJ Media, on any article that criticizes Trump.

    Doomed we are.

    Steve Malynn (4bc33a)

  33. It’s one thing to criticize the establishment for not doing enough to try and stop Trump (fine) but another to say they would have succeeded (not fine).

    The problem here is the electorate, the people who for whatever reason think this man can lead the country. Nothing, not a damned thing, would have stopped this. It’s the damnedest thing I’ve ever seen. Facts and logic and common sense and reason simply do not work.

    To be fair, who was out denouncing Trump during the early stages of the campaign? Everybody thought he’d fade, that he wouldn’t be a major player. But again, it wouldn’t have mattered anyway.

    SteveMG (9b9cae)

  34. we’ll lose with an anointed convention candidate too.

    Not so fast. There are plenty of not-really-leftist Democrats who would vote for a respectable alternative to Hillary. They know she is a corrupt egoist. Why do you think Bernie has done so well?

    If the Party did dump Trump, I think they would gain more votes from the #Notheragain! voters than what they would lose from all the disappointed Trumpeters.Out of all the candidates who ran for the GOP nomination this year, the only one I would not have voted for in November is Trump. But since it is Trump apparently and since he is at least as corrupt, immoral, statist and authoritarian as Hillary, and seems more ignorant and impulsive than she is, I feel it is my duty as a citizen to vote for neither one.

    So in lieu of DumpTrump, Johnson/Weld 2016 for me. The most effective way of making my objection known.

    kishnevi (31ec7b)

  35. Johnson’s immigration plan as per his discussion with Tucker Carlson on FNC-let’em all in-would be a disaster.

    The choice is Trump or Hillary. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears or cover your eyes, good luck.

    Bugg (db3a97)

  36. Cruz somberly led an annoyed Trump to the tape player. In Ted’s hands were the last instructions of Ronald Reagan to the GOP. Carefully. Ted placed the tape onto the obsolete, but still useful device, and pressed “play.”

    Reagan:

    Gentleman, If you are listening to this, then I am dead, the Party is in great crisis, and the two primal forces within our party are locked in mortal combat. To the Establishment, I say: seek out the advice of the Conservatives, and, if you find it sound, take it!

    To the Conservatives: The Establishment has the onerous (cough) duty of (cough) leadership, and so, will need your sup- ack – port and loy- ack, ack (chocking fit commences)

    felipe (429749)

  37. I CAN’T BELIEVE THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATED SOMEBODY WHO RAN A SCAM UNIVERSITY AND IS FACING LAWSUITS: Jonathan Turley: The Clinton University Problem: Laureate Education Lawsuits Present Problem For Clintons. “While largely ignored by the media, the Clintons have their own university scandal. Donald Trump has been rightfully criticized and sued over his defunct Trump University. There is ample support for claiming that the Trump University was fraudulent in its advertisements and operations. However, the national media has been accused of again sidestepping a scandal involving the Clintons that involves the same type of fraud allegations. The scandal involves the dubious Laureate Education for-profit college and entails many of the common elements with other Clinton scandals: huge sums given to the Clintons and questions of conflicts with Hillary Clinton during her time as Secretary of State. There are distinctions to draw between the two stories, but the virtual radio silence on the Clinton/Laureate story is surprising.”

    Well, actually it’s entirely predictable.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/235807/

    Colonel Haiku (029078)

  38. The most effective way of making my objection known.

    Okay, but who are you showing your objection to?

    What should the GOP have done with Trump? To prevent him from getting the nomination? Ban him?

    I can’t see anything short of that that would have worked.

    SteveMG (9b9cae)

  39. Judge Curiel has dual citizenship. He is an American citizen from his birth, and he holds Mexican citizenship through his parents.

    I was about to ask Ingot for a source on that. I’ve earned the constant spite of on just this point. Mexico doesn’t do dual citizenship.

    But we Trumpalos don’t care about facts.

    Show me a link anyhow.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  40. I can not disagree more. To have Trump the head of the party is suicide for the GOP. It cannot survive. Perhaps it cannot survive dumping him either, but it FOR SURE cannot survive being hijacked.

    This was never a choice by Republican voters. This is a coalition of the suppressed racist wings of the Democrat and Republican parties that have finally found a voice. TO HELL WITH THEM.

    Dump Trump. I would not even let him be nominated had I the power. He is morally unfit. Moral turpitude clause. His action towards the lead plaintiff int he TU suit, by itself, is enough to disqualify him as gutter trash. Before this campaign is over, there will be MYRIAD other reasons to dump him and doing so now will be MUCH less trouble than doing so in September.

    Of course, the party could bet lucky and Trump could drop dead or something.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  41. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/9/2016 @ 9:22 am

    You couldn’t be more wrong. We Independents are former Democrats, former Republicans, former partisans. The formation of a third party will have grave consequences for the party(s) from which it springs, and so, must be avoided if possible. Unity should be preserved, first and foremost, at great cost, but not at any cost.

    That you accuse me of such foolish readiness, especially after I have explicitly stated otherwise, shows your lack of understanding, not just of my mind, but of the grave situation at hand.

    felipe (429749)

  42. Cruz was pretty clearly part of the problem.

    Of course he was. He thought that he’s use Trump to drive everyone else out, then the party would have no choice but to turn to him to avoid Trump. So, when he, Rubio, Bush, Fiorina, &tc should have been putting up a wall against the Donald, Cruz was aiding and abetting instead and dividing the opposition.

    And Cruz simply got eaten last.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  43. I said back then, though, that Trump should have been barred from the debates because he wasn’t a Republican.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  44. This is a coalition of the suppressed racist wings of the Democrat and Republican parties that have finally found a voice. TO HELL WITH THEM.

    Ugh, that’s too broad of an indictment.

    I think a lot of Trump supporters were swayed by the celebrity nature, by his brand. And by anger at the establishment.

    To be sure, this alt-right element is ugly and disgusting. These really are people with dangerous ideas: a white identity movement. It’s been obvious for years that something “like it” would emerge in reaction to the left’s identity calls. But I didn’t think it would be as powerful as it seemingly is.

    SteveMG (9b9cae)

  45. ThOR (c9324e) — 6/9/2016 @ 9:21 am

    That was well said, ThOR.

    felipe (429749)

  46. eated last like a big bowl of teddy puddin

    happyfeet (831175)

  47. Ugh, that’s too broad of an indictment.

    Perhaps. But read through a few Trumpkin-dominated comment forums here and there and you’ll have that thought too.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  48. By the way, has anyone noticed how thoroughly Instapundit has gone Trumpkin?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  49. Oberweis was all talk, as I imagine a dairy conglomerate would be, seeing as Scott Walker hews to that crowd also.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/9/2016 @ 8:21 am

    One way you can tell someone’s a Trumper is you can’t figure out what they’re talking about a good deal of the time.

    Gerald A (945582)

  50. #34 I would wager much of Bernie’s support is based on the simple fact he is closer to death’s door than H and even Trump and thus represents a do-over, given a less objectionable blue-doggish VP. Trump will die a natural sudden “man’s” death and Hillary will linger and, yes, make a lot of pee stains as the wages of alcohol and god knows what else take their toll.

    Cruz better be talking to as many current and ex-military as he can find – he needs firepower to counter hundreds of thousands more of the new MSM – Marion (IN) Sunglasses Militia that might mass up in NE Ohio next month, if the dumping of Trump is in the cards.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  51. Gerald A (945582) — 6/9/2016 @ 10:01 am

    Heh.

    felipe (429749)

  52. But read through a few Trumpkin-dominated comment forums here and there and you’ll have that thought too.

    Sure, but I distinguish – and I think we need to – between the internet jackasses and the ordinary voter out there that doesn’t comment on blogs or forums.

    The Trump supporters on comment forums are, I agree, appalling. Not all but certainly the majority of them.

    SteveMG (9b9cae)

  53. Felipe,

    Oh, please.
    You’re not happy with either of the two major parties.
    Yet you say you don’t want anything “grave” to happen to your former party.
    Okay, but if you don’t want anything “grave” to happen to your former party, then why don’t you support it?

    Answer: Because you believe it doesn’t speak for you anymore.
    Which is your perogative.
    But that means you’re looking for a new or alternative path which isn’t being satisfied by the two current major parties.

    This is really not rocket science. For most people.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  54. I have no idea what Mexico’s “policy” on dual-citizenship is. What I do know is that Mexico routinely grants citizenship to the USA-born offspring of Mexican nationals. I live in/near the barrio. Many of my child’s American-born playmates were granted Mexican citizenship when their Mexican-citizen parents petitioned for it. They are all now dual-citizens.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  55. LawNewz.com discovered that when it comes to politics, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd, the law firm behind the class action lawsuit, is not exactly neutral.
    Our analysis, using data first compiled by The Washington Post, found that Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd paid the Clintons a total of $675,000 in fees for speeches since 2009. Hillary Clinton gave a $225,000 speech at the law firm as recently as September 4, 2014. Bill Clinton also gave a speech for the same fee back in 2013, and another one in 2009 before the firm had been renamed (they used to be called Coughlin Stoia Geller Rudman & Robbins LLP). In fact, of the five law firms that paid for the Clintons to speak over the last few years, Robbins Geller Rudman & Dowd paid out the most money.

    http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/exclusive-law-firm-behind-trump-university-lawsuit-gave-big-money-to-the-clintons/

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  56. 48.
    I didnt transition the 2 distinct clauses of that sentence very well, I’ll admit. I was trying to convey that Oberweis was and is still rumored to be a big employer of illegal labor through his dairy processing interests (and contrary to the tough on immigration image he conveyed in the ’04 campaign), and also that since Walker draws a large percentage of electoral support and funds from similar interests (of course legion in Wisconsin), he may be similarly 2-faced or soft on immigration.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  57. Just a coinncidence that the plantiff in Gonzalvo Curiel’s court is the legal world’s George Stephanopolous.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  58. The remaining plaintiff I should say. The original hitting the jackpot then bailing.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  59. And the NAACP brought Brown v. Board of Education. I guess their obvious bias invalidates that, too.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  60. $800K ~ lost her belly for the grift.

    Who wants to be a millionaire?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  61. Once again you prove you do not know what you are talking about. All you can do is make up ridiculous positions and ascribe them to others.

    I do you the courtesy of explaining myself and return nothing but impatient ignorance such as:

    “You’re not happy with either of the two major parties.”

    What a simple minded thing to say; to reduce someone’s position to the limits of your own imagination.

    …”then why don’t you support it?”

    I support the GOP inasmuch as I am willing to support those (such as Cruz) who further the conservative values I share. You act as though “it”, however narrow or broad and whatever it may be, should be the line I should toe; as if I must not be supporting the GOP if I am not supporting “it.”

    “Answer”

    Here follows the fruit of your ignorance. I need not explain it to my peers any more than you need to defend it to yours.

    felipe (429749)

  62. “I do you the courtesy of explaining myself and you return nothing”…

    That was good for my humility. Thank you, Lord.

    felipe (429749)

  63. GOP establishment types, you’re just going to have to ride this one out. January, February, March, and April of this year — those were the times to speak up. Those were the times to support Ted Cruz. But you didn’t do it, because you don’t like him either. Because he’s the guy who would have actually done what Donald Trump just talks about: change the influence of corrupt cronyism in Washington.

    You’re like someone who had a chance to get out of the line for the rollercoaster, but now you’re frantically waving to the operator to stop! stop! I want to get off!

    The answer is no. And as we creep slowly up that steep, steep hill, and you think about the terror that’s about to come when you get to the top and stare over the drop, just remember:

    You bought the ticket. Now it’s time to take the ride.

    *Standing Ovation*

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  64. On a happier note, I would like to express my gratitude to CS for the rent-free space that he is affording me. But, alas, I require a substantial deposit before anyone takes up any of mine. But thanks for stopping by -continue on your way.

    felipe (429749)

  65. Cruz and Trump are two sides of the same coin. They are the only bona fide anti-establishment/anti-immigration candidates in this cycle. No one comes close to them on these two core issues and they, collectively, captured the lion’s share of votes and delegates in this cycle. Although I am unhappy about Trump’s seemingly inevitable nomination, I am quite pleased that the anti-establishment/ anti-immigration wing of the party has so roundly dominated the primary season.

    Cruz operated under the entirely reasonable assumption that he’d capture the Southern Evangelical vote – he is one, after all. This is precisely the reason Huck was so angry at him. Unfortunately, they were both wrong: the Evangelicals broke for Trump. Why? I have no idea, though it does seem to put in question the nature of their faith. Cruz clearly seemed to believe that these voters would eventually break for him and this is why he held his fire. He was wrong – in the short term, at least. Cruz is a young man; there will be other elections for him.

    What is remarkable about Cruz is his guile. It was Cruz’ judgment (and I see no reason to doubt it) that if he were to criticize Trump from the get-go it would not have changed the outcome for Trump, though it may have damaged the Cruz effort. Cruz was so skillful a strategist that bullyin’ Don felt the need to play the victim. Talk about up-ending the Trump narrative. I am unhappy that my man lost, though I have a hard time imagining what he could have done better that might have altered the now seemingly inevitable outcome.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  66. “Oh, please [felipe].
    You’re not happy with either of the two major parties.
    Yet you say you don’t want anything “grave” to happen to your former party.
    Okay, but if you don’t want anything “grave” to happen to your former party, then why don’t you support it?”

    – Cruz Supporter

    I’m not gonna speak for felipe, but I will say this:

    Two party *systems* serve a function independent of the two parties present within the system. Two party *systems* are far more than the sum of two parties, encompassing structural incentives and disincentives and creating particular mentalities in their electorates. The particular structural realities of a two party system ultimately result in a preference for moderation.

    So: it is entirely plausible for someone to fear damage to an inherently moderated two party *system* while simultaneously despising the platforms, candidates, or rhetoric of the two major *parties.* For example, one might think that the only thing worse than Clinton or Trump in the White House is disaffection leading to a parliamentary model.

    It would not be out of love for a former party that such a person would want to preserve it. It would be out of an understanding of that former party’s role in preserving a preferred electoral model.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  67. Oh Felipe, please stop with the self-canonization.
    You already admitted you’re not happy with either of the two major parties. And you’ve called yourself an “Independent.”

    It’s very reasonable for a dummy of sub-par intelligence such as myself to draw the conclusion that you’re seeking a third rail.
    If you weren’t, then you’d belong to one of the two major parties.
    You’re like a guy who goes to divorce court, then claims he isn’t actually seeking a divorce from his wife. All the while you have already placed an ad on Match.com seeking a new date. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  68. papertiger,
    are you disputing the previous discussion of this, how the judge awarded her that money to cover legal fees in fighting Trump’s counter SLAPP suit?

    Unfortunately not all targets of legal warfare are in jurisdictions with reasonable anti-slapp laws.

    MD in Philly (d8a244)

  69. coarse
    jacosity
    catches the crowd
    donald
    and i
    are often
    low browed

    the fish wife
    curse
    and the laugh
    of the horse
    donald
    and i
    are frequently
    coarse

    aesthetic
    excuses
    in trump s behalf
    are adduced
    to refine
    big trump s
    coarse laugh

    but trump
    he would chuckle
    to hear such guff
    he pulled
    rough stuff
    and he liked
    rough stuff

    hoping you
    are the same

    archyfeet (341ca0)

  70. *Standing Ovation*
    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/9/2016 @ 10:34 am

    yep.

    felipe (429749)

  71. Evangelicals put more emphasis on works.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  72. The Big Rock Candy Mountain That Day That’s in November

    One evening as the sun went down
    And the campaign fires were burning,
    Down the pike came a hobo hiking,
    And he said, “Boys, I’m not turning;

    I’m headed for a time that’s far away
    Okay, it’s in November
    So come with me, we’ll go and vote
    Cuz I don’t think you’ll remember

    On that day that’s in November
    There’s a choice that must be made
    Choose a gal you can’t trust or a loud-mouthed man with a tan that just won’t fade

    And the promises are empty
    And the sun shines every day
    On the birds and the bees
    And the free money trees
    The Heineken springs
    When the fat lady sings
    On that day that’s in November

    On that day that’s in November
    All the cops are smiling bright
    Cuz they’ve put her away and there she’ll stay
    And she won’t know day from night

    The Democrats will gnash their teeth
    Rend garments while they wail
    But I’ll not shed a tear
    Cuz I have no fear
    When I cast my vote
    For the loud-mouthed goat

    On that day that’s in November

    The day that’s in November.

    Colonel Haiku (029078)

  73. Judge Curiel has dual citizenship. He is an American citizen from his birth, and he holds Mexican citizenship through his parents.

    American law doesn’t recognize other citizenships as any kind of barrier to anything, but Judge Curiel is definitely also a Mexican citizen.
    Ingot (1de9ec) — 6/9/2016 @ 7:56 am

    KFTC.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  74. If we’re going to have a liberal court, then so be it. That concern, that worry, simply isn’t enough any longer for me to vote for Trump.

    No, he’s too dangerous.

    I hedged and hedged on this alone; this was going to be the firewall. But Trump is simply too erratic, too unstable to be president.

    And I have zero confidence about the people he’d surround himself with; and even less confidence that even if they were sensible that he’d listen to them.

    SteveMG (9b9cae)

  75. The entire media — and most of the GOP — have spent 10 months telling us that Mexicans in the United States are going to HATE Trump for saying he’ll build a wall. Now they’re outraged that Trump thinks one Mexican hates him for saying he’ll build a wall. – Ann Coulter

    http://humanevents.com/2016/06/08/stunning-new-development-media-calls-trump-racist/

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  76. That’s my girl.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  77. Reed Galen also says this is a bad idea (one that actually couldn’t pass anyway too, actually) but that the RNC should simply do as little as posisble to help Trump campaign.

    https://medium.com/@reedgalen/the-american-singularity-insert-the-scorpion-and-the-frog-f49bc0e66df9#.6zlaxb4bj

    That, unfortunately doesn’t do anything about who actually should be president.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  78. I propose:

    1) Some state Republican parties dump Trump. They can. There might even be such a plan in the works in Texas. Although they may be also trying to manufacture some excuse over some issue that takes place at the convention.

    2) A convention or other meeting be held to pick candidates for president and I mean candidates (plural.)

    Up to twelve maybe, but it’s better to settle on 4 to 8, with maybe 2 or 3 who stand a good chance of coming in third in Electoral votes. No more than one candidate per state, though, including any states where Trump is not the Republican candidate.

    3) This should be called the Whig Party. For attention if for no other reason.

    4) But there should be only one candidate for vice president, and this person should also be named whenever possible as the Republican vice presidential nominee when a state Republican parties has replaced Trump with someone else.

    This person should be rich enough to finance getting on the ballot in all states where there will be an attempt to get on the ballot independent of local parties.

    Then, you have to win in the House. This should not be as adifficult as you think.

    Hopefully, also, the alternative Vice Presidential candidate comes in at least second and tgheer not enough Democrats to elect the Democratic vice presidential nominee vice president, but this is not a crucial element and you may even want to preclude that.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  79. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/9/2016 @ 10:37 am

    First:

    “lol)” this has come to be understood by me (when used by CS) as the signature of immaturity that passes for wit among “some.”

    Last: (because CS will now live next to happyfeet – you see? there is a place for you!

    How opulently you furnish the space in your head for me. I might say “the others are surely envious,” but that would imply space for more than one “guest”. Now, kindly bother the others.

    felipe (429749)

  80. “And I have zero confidence about the people he’d surround himself with; and even less confidence that even if they were sensible that he’d listen to them.” – SteveMG

    It is difficult to say which of Shorty’s many deficiencies is the most concerning, but the consequence of his narcissism is a leading candidate. One need look no further than the current occupant of our nation’s highest office to see where clinical narcissism leads.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  81. “Now they’re outraged that Trump thinks one Mexican hates him for saying he’ll build a wall. – Ann Coulter”

    – papertiger

    Gonzalo Curiel is not a Mexican. He’s an American. And Ann Coulter is a race-baiting fame-goblin.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  82. 74.

    The entire media — and most of the GOP — have spent 10 months telling us that Mexicans in the United States are going to HATE Trump for saying he’ll build a wall. Now they’re outraged that Trump thinks one Mexican hates him for saying he’ll build a wall. – Ann Coulter

    But Trump has been saying that’s not true:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/10/26/donald-trump-says-will-win-hispanics/
    /

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  83. Ah, that’s much, much better.

    felipe (429749)

  84. If Curiel hold dual-citizenship, Mexico thinks he’s a Mexican. I’ll take their word for it.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  85. In other news, the Peruta case was just decided by the en banc court. Big 2nd Amendment news.
    What a mess.

    Ingot (e5bf64)

  86. Colonel Haiku (029078) — 6/9/2016 @ 10:41 am

    Bravo, Colonel! Your words have dispelled the gloom once again.

    felipe (429749)

  87. It is difficult to say which of Shorty’s many deficiencies is the most concerning, but the consequence of his narcissism is a leading candidate. One need look no further than the current occupant of our nation’s highest office to see where clinical narcissism leads.

    Sure, but both men can say: “Okay, smart guys, look where we are and look where you are.”

    “Which ones are successful and which are the failures”?

    Our answer, of course, would be: “Well, it’s great for you perhaps but look at the damage you’ve done.”

    SteveMG (9b9cae)

  88. California Republican primary results:

    Last updated Jun 9, 2016 at 2:01 PM ET (100% of precincts reporting – 22,359 of 22,359/

    http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california

    Trump: 75.3% or 1,174,829 votes

    Kasich: 11.3% or 176,620 votes

    Cruz: -> 9.2% or 144,125 votes

    Carson: 3.5% or 54,145 votes

    Gilmore 0.7% or 11,101 votes

    Why do people persist in saying that Cruz was the chief competition to Donald Trump?

    Any person who thought Cruz was good on the issues thought Trump was better – more hardline. Trump trumped Cruz. Any person who disagreed with what Trump said, disagreed with Cruz also.

    Cruz never took issue with Trump about the wall – he didn’t even bash him about having Mexico pay for it – he only said he was for it first. Isn’t that true?

    Cruz said Trump wasn’t hardline enough on immigration. It didn’t work. Maybe he could have convinced people but Cruz didn’t want to alienate other people by talking too much about his oppsoition to amnesty.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  89. Instead of recognizing how this is damaging his campaign and taking attention away from defeating Hillary the Trump supporters triple down and continue to defend him.

    With any candidate we’d be saying, “Stop! Move on. This is not working!!”

    But for the Trump supporters it’s like being in the Mafia. Once you’re in, you’re in for life.

    SteveMG (9b9cae)

  90. Why do people persist in saying that Cruz was the chief competition to Donald Trump?

    Sammy, I’m gladdened by your return, here, to commenting. So let me take a wild guess in answer to your question. Because Cruz was the last conservative standing against him that represented the views, hopes, and wished for our nation that those people share. Even if Cruz was not the chief competition to DJT, he was our chief competition to DJT.

    felipe (429749)

  91. Colonel house @36. Milhouse said Laureate University wasn’t as bad as Trump University, because, for one thing, it actually issued recognized college credits; and that the big scandal there was giving kickbacks to Bill Clinton in exchange for federal money.

    There are some consumer lawsuits there, too, though:

    https://jonathanturley.org/2016/06/08/the-clintons-university-problem-laureate-education-lawsuits-present-problem-for-clintons/

    Laureate Education has been sued over such programs as its Walden University Online offering, which many have alleged is a scam designed to bilk students of tens of thousands of dollars for degrees. Students says that they were repeatedly delayed and given added costs as they tried to secure degrees, leaving them deeply in debt.

    The respected Inside Higher Education reported that Laureate Education paid Bill Clinton an obscene $16.5 million between 2010 and 2014 to serve as an honorary chancellor for Laureate International Universities. While Bill Clinton worked as the group’s pitchman, the State Department funneled $55 million to Laureate when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. That would seem a pretty major story but virtually no mainstream media outlet has reported it while running hundreds of stories on the Trump University scandal.

    There was even a class action — like the Trump University scandal. Travis et al v. Walden University LLC, was filed in U.S. District Court in the District of Maryland but dismissed in 2015. It is not clear why it was dismissed. However, the size of the contract to Clinton, the payment from State and the widespread complaints over alleged fraud should warrant a modicum of attention to the controversy. The controversy has many of the familiar complaints over fraudulent online programs that take advantage of hard working people.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  92. “Why do people persist in saying that Cruz was the chief competition to Donald Trump?” – Sammy Finkelman

    I had to read this a couple of times to be sure you weren’t being ironic.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  93. Now you know, ThoR, that Sammy does not do irony.

    felipe (429749)

  94. felipe (429749) — 6/9/2016 @ 11:29 am

    So let me take a wild guess in answer to your question. Because Cruz was the last conservative standing against him that represented the views, hopes, and wished for our nation that those people share. Even if Cruz was not the chief competition to DJT, he was our chief competition to DJT.

    He couldn’t carry the ball. Even Kasich was stronger.

    He (rather obnoxiously) tried to make himself the only competition to Donald Trump, only to lose Indiana, and then, rather than going forward with a Stop-Trump movement that, if it won, would lead to the nomination of somebody who not Trump and not Cruz….just quit.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  95. Ted Cruz wasn’t Republican voter’s real second choice in Wisconsin, or in Utah. He only genuinely did well in heavily Republican states west of the Mississippi that didn’t have too many Mormons in them. In many states Ted Cruz was not at all a good fit, and was virtually unknown.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  96. Thanks, felipe!

    Sammy… Milhouse gains no purchase on the roads I trod.

    Colonel Haiku (029078)

  97. Hewitt’s next step will be to start shouting ‘Reagan’ again and again on the airwaves. It falls on deaf ears in 2016. The party voted for Trump and he beat out a ‘huge’ if not less-than-competent field.

    Hewitt, never a Trump fan, predicted a contested/brokered convention months ago and was wrong. And he is consistently wrong. Yet another drowning conservative, tossed overboard by the rough seas of change and destined to drown in the backwash of history if he doesn’t climb aboard the ‘S.S. Trump’ He and Kristol can share a liferaft. Whistling past the graveyard, Hewitt actually pitched on global television that it was Ryan’s party and Trump will have to conform. Not a chance.

    The stench of desperation, nay, panic is all over entrenched conservatives. Not about losing the election. But about losing relevance.

    It’s way past time for Hewitt, Kristol, Krauthammer, Will and associated fellow travelers to accept that Reagan is long dead and Reaganomics has failed two generations. It’s why Obama won -twice. And why Sanders did so well, particularly with the young, this cycle.

    The only thing that can capsize Trump on his cruise to victory is choosing Gingrich as VP. Two self-absorbed egos that heavy will sink his chances.

    But it’s a win/win for Americans no matter what. Neither Trump or Clinton are conservatives. And that was the ultimate goal.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  98. The current California vote totals are meaningless, Sammy, save that they garner pledged delegates. It was an uncontested race.

    I could make various arguments about this or that – the dumbing down of the electorate, the failures of conservatives to conserve, to make their case, to use their power, the population dilution by hostile aliens, but relying on California vote totals after Cruz conceded is even more pointless than relying on California vote totals in general.

    Ingot (e5bf64)

  99. How many is “too many”?

    I love the concept.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  100. ThOR (c9324e) — 6/9/2016 @ 10:06 am

    Many of my child’s American-born playmates were granted Mexican citizenship when their Mexican-citizen parents petitioned for it. They are all now dual-citizens.

    Mexican citizens used not to be able to cast absentee votes abroad. Now they can, and vote for the more conservative party as a rule.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-gops-mexico-derangement-1465254607 (ay be behind a paywall. If som, search for some of the following text)

    A dozen Mexican states held elections on Sunday, and—ho-hum—the center-right National Action Party, or PAN, appears to have won seven of the races. The Journal reports that voters in the world’s 15th-largest economy were turned off by the ruling party’s failure to cut debt and tackle crime, and by a boy-wonder president, Enrique Peña Nieto, whom they now regard as more boy than wonder.

    I mention this to illustrate that Mexico is a functioning democracy whose voters tend to favor pro-business conservatives, not a North American version of Libya, exporting jihad and boat people to its neighbors. Somebody ought to explain this to Republican voters, whose brains, like pickles in brine, have marinated too long in anti-Mexican nonsense.

    Of course theer is a problem that this guy got elected in the first place, after 2 terms of PAN. Bret stephens writes that the murder rate for Mexico (as a whole and maybe that doesn’t include unreperted deaths) of 16 per 100,000 is almost as bad as Philadelphia (15.9) and considerably better than Miami (19.2) or Atlanta (20.5).

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  101. Cruz did worse than Kasich in New York before either conceded. Trump got 60%

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  102. “…and then, rather than going forward with a Stop-Trump movement that, if it won, would lead to the nomination of somebody who not Trump and not Cruz….just quit.”

    It felt that way to me, but I respect Cruz’s decision. There is more at stake for him, than I will ever know.

    felipe (429749)

  103. “that the murder rate for Mexico (as a whole and maybe that doesn’t include unreperted deaths) of 16 per 100,000 is almost as bad as Philadelphia (15.9) and considerably better than Miami (19.2) or Atlanta (20.5).”

    “doesn’t include unreported deaths” There’s the problem with the numbers, right there.

    felipe (429749)

  104. Patterico–

    This whole post reeks of schadenfreude. You didn’t get your guy in (who was at least partly responsible for letting the cancer spread) and now you want to blame all the others who wanted to get their guy in for not strangling Trump in the crib.

    GUESS WHO was defending Trump in November, December and January? Giving him aid and comfort? Senator Ted Cruz, who thought he was so masterfully using Trump to drive out his “real” competitors so that when Trump self-destructed the party would ahve to turn to him.

    Later, when it was Rubio, Trump, Cruz and JarJar, Cruz and Trump ganged up on Rubio even though it was cl;ear to nearly everyone (except Cruz, apparently) that Trump was the real danger. At the very least they could have ganged up on Kasich. I have no doubt that Rubio stayed in in Florida just to spite Cruz over this.

    So, while you blame the “Establishment”, which is to say the people who do all the work in the party, the real numbskull in all of this was one Senator Ted Cruz. He deserved to lose.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  105. it’s time to get over teddy-pie

    he lost way more than fair and square

    harvardtrash ted had the absolute *perfect* foil for his sniffy morally-superior cloyingly smug brand of pandering sub-idiotic retro-80’s dogma (Mr. Trump)

    and guess what people said no thanks we’re not buying what you’re selling Ted

    this loss

    it was definitive

    happyfeet (831175)

  106. The current California vote totals are meaningless, Sammy, save that they garner pledged delegates. It was an uncontested race.

    The turnout on both sides was 30% of registered voters. Not a lot of interest except for those who were avid fans of the winners.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  107. The current California vote totals are meaningless, Sammy, save that they garner pledged delegates. It was an uncontested race.

    Yet uncontested, ~360,000 people went to the bother of casting a vote for one of Trump’s opponents. Just under 25% of Republican votes. 11,000 votes for Jim Gilmore. I had to rely on Google to remind me who Gilmore was.

    kishnevi (e95dc4)

  108. Why do people persist in saying that Cruz was the chief competition to Donald Trump?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/9/2016 @ 11:17 am

    Really, Sammy?

    Cruz, #2 in delegates. Kasich, #4.

    Cruz, #2 in total votes cast. Kasich, #3.

    Cruz, #2 in states won. Kasich, #4 (his home state of Ohio).

    That’s why.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  109. LOL. Same data, even same quote, and we drew opposite conclusions.

    kishnevi (e95dc4)

  110. At this point, it’s pretty much a given that Hillary will win. The only real question is whether she’ll lose a state. Trump is guaranteed to place himself beyond the pale, especially as his case grows desperate and he quadruples down on his rhetoric.

    It’s also likely that if they tore the nomination away from him and gave it to Cruz or Romney or Baby Jesus that Hillary would still win. The difference is that you would not have Trump branding the GOP with his filth for 6 months.

    Grow a pair.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  111. Looks like the butt hurt continues for the Cluzers. Enjoy seeing your wealth and legacies for your children dashed on the rocks as Hillary robs you “for the chillun”. And good luck with the third party or secession you dream of. What sort of electoral behemoth you will form is the only real question? /sarc
    Good to see Leviticus has joined the warm embrace with you but he is just chuckling to himself because he knows his girl will be sitting in the big chair and the “principled ones” are too dense to realize that.
    Going on the road again for awhile – see you in a couple of months.

    SpokaneBob (6797b5)

  112. Mr. Trump will win cause of he’s got a winning message and that nasty old pooper woman is disgusting.

    happyfeet (831175)

  113. kishnevi–

    Well, not completely. I went and voted for Cruz. If it was only Gilmore running against, I would have voted for Gilmore. But really the only happy voters were the Trumpkins, and they only managed to get 1.1 million of the 5 million registered Republicans to show up and vote for him.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  114. SpokaneBob,

    So, your argument is that Hillary is so bad that even a crazy liar madman racist Democrat is a better choice? And you wonder why we want to kick the game board over?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  115. if the effete self-styled elite didn’t reject Mr. Trump he wouldn’t be Mr. Trump

    he’d be a nasty incontinent old criminal woman with a not-so-fresh feeling

    happyfeet (831175)

  116. Intra-party dissension and all, I think happy is right about the outcome of the election: that nasty old pooper woman will lose. She’s hated by a large segment of the Democratic Party. A number of libs I know here in the Bay Area will vote Trump over Hill because they see him as the “pro-worker” candidate.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  117. Why can’t we have a candidate who at least has a semblance of honesty? Why two evil megalomaniac crooks? If I was Blofeld, trying to get the US to disintegrate into civil war, this matchup is pretty much ideal.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  118. And you wonder why we want to kick the game board over?
    Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/9/2016 @ 12:19 pm

    I was wondering how to express that! Thanks Kevin.

    felipe (429749)

  119. GUESS WHO was defending Trump in November, December and January? Giving him aid and comfort? Senator Ted Cruz, who thought he was so masterfully using Trump to drive out his “real” competitors so that when Trump self-destructed the party would ahve to turn to him.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/9/2016 @ 12:04 pm

    That wasn’t the strategy. Everyone who went after Trump got decimated. Remember, the mob of starstruck fans took off in every direction that Orange Julius would point his stubby finger: After Jeb, after Perry, after Carson, after Carly, after Rand, after Walker, after Jindal.

    There was no reason to believe that Trump could be destroyed unless he did it to himself, which he is looking like he might be doing now. Cruz wasn’t “using” Trump to drive out other hopefuls, he was staying out of his crosshairs until the actual voting was about to begin. When it did, he defeated Trump in Iowa. Then, Trump blew the Carson situation into a branding moment, and the Gruber Voters fell for it.

    Kasich didn’t draw fire from Trump because he was never a threat. Not at any time. Kasich stayed above the fray, shaking his head and clicking his tongue at the brawl going on before him, but never said that Trump was unfit (as we know he is).

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  120. Here’s a link to Trump’s general election theme song, which I think is a winner.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  121. #64: Thor, your comment on Cruz and his mistaken assumption of the significance of the “religious right” are on target. I especially liked the remark about Huckabee. I had many complaints about the details of Cruz’s campaign, but his occasional embrace of a televangelist persona was probably the deciding factor in his loss. It underscores his misunderstanding of where America is today.

    Trump couldn’t decide what to do with David Duke because his knowledge of what constituted the Republican Party was based mainly on a narrative composed by the media. In the same way, I think Cruz relied on another fiction pushed by the left, the character of the Bible hugging, gun toting residents of fly-over country. Cruz knew what the vast majority of Republicans wanted, a return to a constitutionally limited government committed to the Rule of Law, and that would have been sufficient. But for some reason he felt he had to graft a third leg, outspoken advocacy of religion, onto his platform.

    I suspect that Cruz has learned a lot about today’s electorate. But his campaign staff should have guided him away from the religion-based appeals long before the primaries. If he runs again, I will not be a supporter if he uses the same fools to guide him in the process. Even the Pope appears to have abandoned religion in favor of social justice as the basis for winning hearts and minds. This should have been Cruz’s first clue. Worse, Cruz can argue logically and convincingly that social justice is anything but. If only he’d stuck to the Rule of Law and constitutional government.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  122. that nasty old pooper woman will lose. She’s hated by a large segment of the Democratic Party.

    So the plan is to put up a candidate that is so TERRIBLY bad that they will have no choice but to unite?

    Look at the lies you are telling yourself. On the one hand you are saying that Hillary is so awful that even Democrats hate her, so the GOP will have to unite behind Trump, and then you totally discount the Democrats thinking the exact same thing about a GOP candidate who is CLEARY widely hated among Republicans.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  123. I heard Mitch is going to give Cruz the committee chair for “Interstate sex toy Interdiction”. It seems to have a bad secondary impact on Texas http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alabama-highest-rate-teacher-student-sex-study-article-1.2078895

    SpokaneBob (e86321)

  124. ooh that smell can’t you smell that smell

    it’s the smell of deathfunk

    pee

    criminality

    greed

    and sepsis

    happyfeet (831175)

  125. Smithee–

    Carly was the only one who took him on and made it stick. Sure, Jeb couldn’t do it, but Jeb couldn’t shame a crack ho. Cruz, however, was sucking up.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  126. If only he’d stuck to the Rule of Law and constitutional government.

    truer words never spoken Mr. Bob

    happyfeet (831175)

  127. I mention this to illustrate that Mexico is a functioning democracy whose voters tend to favor pro-business conservatives, not a North American version of Libya, exporting jihad and boat people to its neighbors. Somebody ought to explain this to Republican voters, whose brains, like pickles in brine, have marinated too long in anti-Mexican nonsense.

    Bull. Bret Stephens I an immigrant worshiping left wing Republican. Mexico is a functioning democracy by Mexican standards. They also claim to have an unemployment rate of 4.8%. I guess that can be true, they send all their unemployed here to collect welfare. It’s a lovely country if you get along well with drug cartels, gun runners and kidnappers many of which are the police. But ole Bret (pu**y name) thinks we all believe the Mexicans are versions of Libyan jihadists and Somali boat people. Yeah, cuz we’re dumbass yokels. Bret doesn’t realize we believe them when they carry signs that say: “Make America Mexico Again” because they mean it. Now tell that sissy Bret to press one for English cause there’s not enough Mexicans here yet. Four years of Hillary’s immigration policy and we’ll be pressing three for Farsi.

    Good ole Bret Stephens has a very low opinion of republican voters. Like most leftist democrats posing as Republicans he’s of the opinion anyone believing 50 million Mexicans in America is way too many is a racist. Our brains are picked because we don’t want 50 million anybody’s being shipped into our home especially the poorest Mexicans who take the jobs away from the poorest Americans while both collect more and more government support.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  128. Kevin M,

    I don’t understand the first part of your comment.

    You are right on the second count. My view is asymmetrical, though I still think it is correct: Trump will beat Clinton. I feel this for a number of reasons, the primary one being that there is no enthusiasm for Hillary, even among Democrats. Enthusiasm gaps matter. I also believe there will be a substantial “Bradley-effect” vote for Trump.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  129. Smithee–

    Carly was the only one who took him on and made it stick. Sure, Jeb couldn’t do it, but Jeb couldn’t shame a crack ho. Cruz, however, was sucking up.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/9/2016 @ 12:33 pm

    How many delegates did Carly get?

    As I’ve said before, Trump turned the primaries into a vote for Prom King and the debates into a pissing match. Cruz is a debate champion, but he has no chance against winning against a world-class skunk. None of the candidates were prepared to play by those rules, and never thought they would have to. Why? Because they thought the electorate was smarter than it turned out to be.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  130. If only he’d stuck to the Rule of Law and constitutional government.

    truer words never spoken Mr. Bob
    happyfeet (831175) — 6/9/2016 @ 12:35 pm

    It’s BS. If people wanted the Rule of Law and Constitutional Government, they would have endured the preacher demeanor. They ended up embracing someone who more closely resembles a pro wrestling promoter than a statesman.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  131. I suspect that Cruz has learned a lot about today’s electorate. But his campaign staff should have guided him away from the religion-based appeals long before the primaries. If he runs again, I will not be a supporter if he uses the same fools to guide him in the process. Even the Pope appears to have abandoned religion in favor of social justice as the basis for winning hearts and minds.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 6/9/2016 @ 12:27 pm

    I like you comments, sir. Even the ones with which I do not completely agree. It is not that I disagree with the above, but rather question suspicion you raised, re: the use of religion.

    I will only point out that the likely reason you, and the public in general, have that impression, was that it was engendered by the manner in which the MSM highlighted and repeat that particular facet of Cruz’s campaign, in soundbites that served to portray him as overly religious to mainstream sensibilities.

    Conversely, the impression that the Pope has appeared “to have abandoned religion in favor of social justice” id yet another successful attempt to shape the public’s image of the Pope by not highlighting His deep and pervasive faith, by using soundbites that seek to reduce him to SJW status.

    When a purely religious figure appears, to a reasonable person, to be (and these are my words, not yours) less religious than a politician, I take it the truth has been tampered with. I respectfully ask you to examine your perception.

    felipe (429749)

  132. “Good ole Bret Stephens has a very low opinion of republican voters.”

    – Hoagie

    After this primary cycle, everyone should have a very low opinion of Republican voters.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  133. . A number of libs I know here in the Bay Area will vote Trump over Hill because they see him as the “pro-worker” candidate.

    That boggled my mind for a moment. But I’m guessing that his promises to create jobs will actually come true. Which is near impossible if he does carry through on things like 30% tariffs. Protectionism can work, but only if you have manufacturing capacity available already to take up the sales you want to divert to domestic sources.

    kishnevi (e95dc4)

  134. “Because they thought the electorate was smarter than it turned out to be.”

    – L.N. Smith

    And because they (moronically) thought the American media still had some sense of civic duty left to counterbalance its overweening lust for drama.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  135. Mr. Trump’s gonna rock this country’s body all night long

    happyfeet (831175)

  136. He sure is.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  137. guessing that his promises

    should have been

    guessing that they think his promises

    Can’t blame autocorrect,just my brain working too fast for my fingers.

    kishnevi (e95dc4)

  138. I also think Trump is going to win in November. Apparently it’s impossible to underestimate the American electorate. I’m just gonna get my shots in before next January, when Trump orders the NSA to start tracking online dissent in real time.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  139. Hypocrite!!!! Patterico, you are a wretched HYPOCRITE!!

    Take the ride indeed!

    You Benedict Arnold, turncoat, bailing on the GOP then lecturing others to take the ride since they bought the ticket.

    I banish you from Texas, I banish you from Trinity Valley —

    You are an ideal Hillary voter.

    Take THAT ride!!!

    WHAT HUBRIS!!!!

    Pts (ce7fc3)

  140. Cruz’ biggest problem is that he is, by his nature, a young, nerdy egghead with a driving sense of right and wrong. He employs self-conscious strategies to invent a Ted Cruz that is more culturally palatable – President Egghead simply is not going to win the day. I appreciate his attempts to re-invent himself as Reagan, but it’s not a great fit. But who would you rather have him emulate? I don’t fault him for incorporating his own heart-felt religious feeling in the package – it’s an honest move. And he’s done a remarkably good job with his makeover, given what he’s got to work with. In the debates, he almost always came across as the most serious adult in the room. He always comes across as a decent human being in a field that is dominated by the indecent. What’s not to like?

    ThOR (c9324e)

  141. help me understand the bolded part

    i mean i hate saudi royal pervtrash as much as anyone but

    Despite an outpouring of praise from some Silicon Valley elites, this investment could have dangerous (or at the very least, controversial) implications. For one, many have seen it as an excuse to continue to deny women the right to drive. Additionally, the kingdom’s pledge to facilitate economic diversification and social change rings hollow if, as some have speculated, its money will help bankroll Uber’s fight against local competitors as it seeks to expand its global empire.*

    the moronic propaganda slut what wrote this is called “Hannah Gais” and she’s stupid

    happyfeet (831175)

  142. italicized part

    happyfeet (831175)

  143. For those arguing contra “changing the rules,” the rules are that there are no rules. A bit more precisely, the rules are that the RNC rules committee may determine what the rules will be, and that determination is not constrained by past decisions. So if a plurality of voters are dumb enough to choose an authoritarian who attacks both Republican principles and Republican principals, the rules committee can lay the groundwork to void that choice, if it has the courage.

    Brian (68e15b)

  144. If it has the courage

    There much virtue in an if (Touchstone in As You Like It)

    kishnevi (e95dc4)

  145. ThOR, a good campaign staff will protect their candidate. I place Cruz’s staff just below Dukakis’ staff in their inability to foresee the obvious. Dukakis propped up in a tank wearing the padded helmet was not an image that served him well. Ditto the sweaty Cruz preaching the gospel. Reagan expressed his faith, but he did not preach it. There’s a difference.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  146. After this primary cycle, everyone should have a very low opinion of Republican voters.

    Leviticus (efada1) — 6/9/2016 @ 12:54 pm

    ======================================

    Why only the Republicans, Leviticus?

    Colonel Haiku (029078)

  147. Democrat voters have no ethics or morals and – giving them the benefit of the doubt – are functionally brain-dead.

    Colonel Haiku (029078)

  148. Team R voters are the only ones what have challenged the entrenched stagnancy and corruption of their party establishment

    they are good poopers

    For their part the socialists have yet to come to terms with this problem on their side.

    advantage: Team R

    happyfeet (831175)

  149. ThOR, a good campaign staff will protect their candidate. I place Cruz’s staff just below Dukakis’ staff in their inability to foresee the obvious. Dukakis propped up in a tank wearing the padded helmet was not an image that served him well. Ditto the sweaty Cruz preaching the gospel. Reagan expressed his faith, but he did not preach it. There’s a difference.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 6/9/2016 @ 1:40 pm

    Oh, puhleeze. I am sick of all this “Cruz shoulda done _________ ” as if Trump hadn’t eviscerated the conventional wisdom about what wins the GOP nomination, rendering all previously authored rule books null and void. This is why, IMHO, it’s so important to deny him votes: To make it clear this won’t be tolerated more than one time.

    This is what I meant when I said Trump reduced the primaries to a Prom King election. Substance is supposed to mean something. Principles are supposed to mean something. Competence is supposed to mean something. Expertise is supposed to mean something. Experience is supposed to mean something.

    But apparently, none of that matters anymore. What counts now is who tickles your sphincter as if you were watching WrestleMania.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  150. the experienced R’s don’t have anything to show for their vaunted experience

    corrupt wiscotrash butt-wipe Paul Ryan just keeps on spending and spending and Maghan’s coward daddy just wants to get re-elected so his piteous coward ass can die in office

    happyfeet (831175)

  151. *Meghan’s* coward daddy i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  152. GUESS WHO was defending Trump in November, December and January?

    Anybody here see the noise, see the fear and commotion
    I think we missed it
    Anybody here see the love, see the hate, the emotion
    Don’t give me no hand me down Cruz
    Don’t give me no hand me down Jeb
    Don’t give me no hand me down Trump
    I got one already
    Anybody here hear the clear Bronx cheer for the notion
    Well, I think we missed it
    Anybody here see teh Sammeh and Milhouse grab the lotion
    Don’t give me no hand me down Cruz
    Don’t give me no hand me down Jeb
    Don’t give me no hand me down Trump
    I got one already
    Anybody here see the Demoness spread lies and commotion
    How could you miss it!?!
    Anybody here see the media lapdogs, their devotion?
    Don’t give me no hand me down Cruz
    Don’t give me no hand me down Jeb
    Don’t give me no hand me down Trump
    I got one already

    Sent from my iPhone

    Colonel Haiku (029078)

  153. Patterico seems to still think that if and only if the Establishment and the other candidates took Trump on earlier then the Trump movement would have been straggled in the proverbial crib (and a more apt metaphor cannot be imagined).

    I don’t see it. Nothing, literally nothing could have been done to stop this.

    There is no rule book, no strategy, that would have worked. What was the line (by Nietzsche I think?): insanity is rare among individuals but is more prevalent among entire groups of people.

    Something to that. Tongue in cheek I think.

    SteveMG (9b9cae)

  154. They should’ve strangled it SteveMG…

    Fiats Forever!

    Colonel Haiku (029078)

  155. happyfeet and leviticus, trolls for Hillary.

    Steve Malynn (4bc33a)

  156. that’s not even a good observation

    happyfeet (831175)

  157. The RNC and DC GOP elites are getting what they deserve. Good and hard.

    Who could ask for anything more?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  158. LN Smithee and SteveMG are correct, we are in the political era of the celebrity, substance is not relevant. The permanent media, the permanent administrative government, and the permanent leftist academia are hiding all substance behind their conduct, and everything else is circus.

    Steve Malynn (4bc33a)

  159. They’re wh00ahs for Hillary!

    Colonel Haiku (029078)

  160. ‘feets you are not even voting, just trolling.

    Steve Malynn (4bc33a)

  161. now how’s acting like mike sticvic

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/bunker-mentality-1465495516

    narciso (732bc0)

  162. i might vote after all you never know

    i’m very mercurial

    happyfeet (831175)

  163. the experienced R’s don’t have anything to show for their vaunted experience

    happyfeet (831175) — 6/9/2016 @ 2:04 pm

    Any case against others is NOT a case FOR Trump.

    You may now respond with a predictable non sequitur about urine, feces, or both, you twit.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  164. Mr. Smithee the case for Mr. Trump is that he’s not a corrupt old woman with urine dribbles running down his leg

    happyfeet (831175)

  165. the kangaroo court with a larger pouch:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/09/baltimore-six-trial-goodson-judge-williams-admonishes-prosecutor-for-brady-violations-but-allows-trial-to-continue/

    the #willing for hillary, have answers to very few of these issues

    narciso (732bc0)

  166. like wise, here,

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/08/meet-the-man-who-caused-the-epas-gold-king-mine-disaster/

    the names of covert operatives, leaked in the email, is something else indeed,

    narciso (732bc0)

  167. Mr. Smithee the case for Mr. Trump is that he’s not a corrupt old woman with urine dribbles running down his leg

    happyfeet (831175) — 6/9/2016 @ 2:47 pm

    So you prefer a corrupt cradle-robbing old man who married a woman who looks almost exactly like his daughter, whom he said he would be dating if he hadn’t helped create her.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  168. he’s a plum lolly alright, that Mr. Trump

    we never had a president like him before

    this is gonna be special

    happyfeet (831175)

  169. I think the issue is “connecting” with the voters,
    in this case Trump was the first to connect with the visceral “we’ve had enough of all of this BS PC and being told it is all our fault and that we can’t even close the door.”

    That simple. The celebrity status only helped him have access to the media.
    Unfortunately, there is no integrity or substance to sustain him past the initial “I feel your pain joes the plumber and laborer who were told you needed to share your money, and when that wasn’t enough you had to share your job, as in give it up to somebody not legally here.

    That simple I think. Obama picked his winners and losers, the GOP didn’t do anything about it,
    and Trump stepped up and said he would,
    and 1/3 of the voters said About Time!!!! while the other 2/3 were split.

    MD in Philly (d8a244)

  170. Unfortunately, all Trump has is the message to set the hook in the buyers, he has nothing for them once they are caught. The salesman made his sale, the buyer will get little but regret.

    MD in Philly (d8a244)

  171. Patterico, the majority of delegates can do whatever they like. They’re only bound to Trump because the rules say so, but if they change that rule they won’t be bound. That’s the thing about conventions, all conventions; a majority can’t be bound by any rules, because they can always change them. So what GOP voters chose doesn’t have to matter; the convention can and should do the right thing and take the party back from those stupid voters.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  172. Just like Obama, they advertised and even wrote books telling who they were for all to see,
    and the people who should have known better didn’t say anything.

    MD in Philly (d8a244)

  173. the convention can and should do the right thing and take the party back from those stupid voters

    why would Cruz voters ever vote again if they know the sleazy establishment will just whimsically nullify their votes?

    why would anyone ever vote again

    happyfeet (831175)

  174. You vote to elect delegates or electors, who then use their judgment, just as you vote to elect congressmen who then use their judgment. We all know that congressmen are not supposed to determine their vote by the opinion polls; the same is true of convention delegates and electors.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  175. yeah i’m not feeling that Mr. Milhouse

    we’re rapidly becoming a low trust society as it is

    happyfeet (831175)

  176. “The RNC and DC GOP elites are getting what they deserve. Good and hard. Who could ask for anything more?”Ed from SFV

    Well, I could. But you’re right, Ed. I’m lovin’ it!

    ThOR (c9324e)

  177. This isn’t a football game. This is an existential crisis. The seat-belt light is on. Therefore—according to the rules—you should stay in your seat with your seat-belt firmly buckled. Meanwhile the plane is underwater. This calls for a rethinking of what is and is not permissible.

    Jack (ff1ca8)

  178. ooh look a herd of friendly dolphins just pushed the plane to the surface! yay!

    happyfeet (831175)

  179. if the effete self-styled elite didn’t reject Mr. Trump he wouldn’t be Mr. Trump

    he’d be a nasty incontinent old criminal woman with a not-so-fresh feeling

    Trump is a nasty, incontinent, demented, old woman with a not-so-fresh Depends.

    nk (dbc370)

  180. no he’s not you’re just tryin to get my goat

    happyfeet (831175)

  181. Have you ever seen Trump and Chi Chi LaRue together? No, nobody has.

    nk (dbc370)

  182. Conservative weenies sure love the color of Trump’s money. Just not the color of his language.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  183. And the NAACP brought Brown v. Board of Education. I guess their obvious bias invalidates that, too.

    If the NAACP had brought Brown v. Dwight D. Eisenhower we’d have reason to suspect.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  184. 138… What’s not to like?

    His colleagues seem to think there is quite a bit not to like.

    James B. Shearer (cbd2b4)

  185. Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/9/2016 @ 12:41 pm

    Mexico is a functioning democracy by Mexican standards.

    By twentieth Century standards. It’s considerably better than it was before, but it;s not really good – and there’s a real absence of the rule of law.

    Bret Stephens’ point was that PAN had won about 7 of the 12 governor’s races, so the situation is not absolutely hopeless.

    They also claim to have an unemployment rate of 4.8%. I guess that can be true, they send all their unemployed here to collect welfare.

    No, that’s not the explanation. The explanation probably is that they have a much lower minimum wage, which is, I think even a daily wage, not an hourly wage.

    And you have to have worked on the books using your real, or a real, Social Security number to collect unemployment. Only people classified as refugees can get things immediately. That would be like, homosexuals.

    It’s a lovely country if you get along well with drug cartels, gun runners and kidnappers many of which are the police. But ole Bret (pu**y name) thinks we all believe the Mexicans are versions of Libyan jihadists and Somali boat people. Yeah, cuz we’re dumbass yokels.

    I think when he’s saying it’s not that, it’s almost a rhetorical question. His point is they are eacting to Mexico like it as like that. Of course they know. But they don’t act like they know. For all the talk of the possibiliy of terrorists coming through Mexico, Jihad is not coming out of Mexico.

    No terrorist has ever tried to cross the Mexican border illegally. There’s a reason for that. (that’s the way for a terrorist group to lose control of people, and for somebody to inform and destroy the whole plot)

    Sammy Finkelman (be1e2f)

  186. Mr. Smithee the case for Mr. Trump is that he’s not a corrupt old woman with urine dribbles running down his leg

    happyfeet (831175) — 6/9/2016 @ 2:47 pm

    This is called lowering the bar.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  187. Bret doesn’t realize we believe them when they carry signs that say: “Make America Mexico Again” because they mean it.

    This is small group, which wouldn’t have any support whatsoever if there weren’t people being rejected.

    It’s more the other way around. No person with a grain of common sense or self interest, who is not tied into something bad, would want to do anything other than try making Mexico more like the United States, and not the other way around.

    Now tell that sissy Bret to press one for English cause there’s not enough Mexicans here yet.

    The strange thing about that is that Spanish isn’t the only foreign language spoken in the United States.

    Four years of Hillary’s immigration policy and we’ll be pressing three for Farsi.

    Farsi? She’d have to completely turn against the Ayatollah for anything remotely resembling that to happen.

    Good ole Bret Stephens has a very low opinion of republican voters. Like most leftist democrats posing as Republicans he’s of the opinion anyone believing 50 million Mexicans in America is way too many is a racist.

    Well, this is first of all factually wrong. Where do you get 50 million? There’s only about 12 million Mexicans now in the United States.

    There’s also actually now a net decrease (because of all this immigration crackdown the last ten years which some people deny happened, and because people in Mexico have been practicing birth ontrol for some time)

    People are now coming from Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Ecuador. Not Venezuela – there’s no pipeline; there’s no established community; there’s no family for most people except around Miami; the disaster is too new; and they probably can’t afford to and maybe it’s enough to – I don’t know, something else. They would have been coming from Brazil but they did a big cackdown some ten years ago or so, prioritizing people from Brazil, and stopped it cold.

    Sammy Finkelman (be1e2f)

  188. Our brains are picked [pickled?] because we don’t want 50 million anybody’s being shipped into our home especially the poorest Mexicans who take the jobs away from the poorest Americans while both collect more and more government support.

    Shipped? Isn’t this putting volition in the wrong place?

    You talk shipped like as if somebody picks them up, and like it’s a question of moving people rather than of trying or not trying to stop people from moving, and what kinds of measures you are willing to countenance.

    The reason so many are poor, is that, for the most part, only poor people – or sometimes young people – will immigrate illegally.

    They do not take jobs away – jobs are not some form of a property that somebody owns. If jobs were to be so considered, then people ought to be able to sell or rent the right to a job, and they could make money from that.

    Jobs are not limited either. There are as many jobs as there are people looking for work, no more and no less. I didn’t get around to answering a question on another thread about this, but it is not possible to make any other assumption. This is one of those things that works in practice, but as the proverbial Marxist economists say: “Can it work in theory?”

    Now more people with poor skills may very slightly, and I mean slightly, depress wages for people with equally poor skills. But greater population also raises the average wage.

    Sammy Finkelman (be1e2f)

  189. 47. By the way, has anyone noticed how thoroughly Instapundit has gone Trumpkin?

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/9/2016 @ 10:01 am

    …..

    I have, resulting in my not reading it any more. I can’t help noticing that pretty much everyone in sight is choosing up sides, and that looks like a good thing, or at least good timing. For those who believe in Constitutional American principles, this is the perfect time for a political civil war. It has to happen sometime, and with nothing left to lose in this presidential election year, when will there ever be a better time?

    Luke Stywalker (f70022)

  190. Sammy, where do you come up with things like this: “greater population also raises the average wage”?

    India has high average wage?
    China has high average wage?
    Mexico City has high average wage?

    Steve Malynn (4bc33a)

  191. You talk shipped like as if somebody picks them up,

    You don’t like the word “shipped” then how about invaded, better?

    The reason so many are poor, is that, for the most part, only poor people – or sometimes young people – will immigrate illegally.

    Yes, that IS the reason so may are poor and it’s also the reason we don’t need them. Thanks for agreeing.

    They do not take jobs away – jobs are not some form of a property that somebody owns. If jobs were to be so considered, then people ought to be able to sell or rent the right to a job, and they could make money from that.

    You’re either a liar or an idiot. They certainly DO take away jobs from Americans. Every single solitary job done by an illegal can and should be done by an American. And jobs are “a form of property that somebody owns”: the individual. And he sells his property via his labor to his employer. And they do make money for that, it’s called wages.

    Jobs are not limited either. There are as many jobs as there are people looking for work, no more and no less.

    That’s got to be one of the most economically ignorant statements (in bold no less) I’ve ever read. Jobs most certainly are limited, that’s why people compete for them. They are limited in the world, in the country, and in each individual industry. Are you really that dumb?

    Now more people with poor skills may very slightly, and I mean slightly, depress wages for people with equally poor skills. But greater population also raises the average wage.

    That means you believe the exact opposite of the Law of Supply and Demand. Idiot! More low skilled people looking for low skilled jobs means greater competition for those jobs means lower wages. Greater population means MORE people competing for a finite number of jobs therefore, wages decrease.

    My god Sammy, go take a business or economics course but at least have the decency not to put this stupidity in print. You could apply for the position of Economic Advisor to Bernie Sanders though, you both seem on par as far as economic acumen is concerned.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  192. Every single solitary job done by an illegal can and should be done by an American.

    Not precisely. [Just to be clear, I think everything else you said in that comment is generally correct]

    It is not a straight equivalence: get rid of one illegal immigrant, hire one citizen/legal resident.
    You have to factor in the wage differential between the cash paid under the table, untaxed, no benefits, to an illegal and the wages paid, on the books, taxed, with whatever benefits may apply to a legal employee. Say minimum wage and benefits for a job add up to $15 an hour if the employee is legal, and wage paid to an illegal for that same job equal $9 an hour. So the employer could hire four legals for the same cost as five illegals, and every job held by those legals is really .8 of a legal job. [Just as likely, the employer would hire four illegals and keep the extra salary not paid–but the four legal employees would cost him more than the four illegals actually doing the job.)

    I’m just trying to illustrate the general principle with figures plucked out of the air for simplicity sake: I have no idea of what the actual average rate paid to illegals, or the average actual hourly wage of “minimum wage” workers is, once benefits, etc are added in. But the differential would still be there.

    kishnevi (870883)

  193. crickets I’m sure, but remember there was a lively debate on the streets of tehran,

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/10/the-obama-admin-blocked-an-iranian-american-judge-from-hearing-iranian-immigration-cases/

    narciso (732bc0)

  194. “The plane is headed for the mountain.”

    Oh, Hugh. So 20th century. No, Hugh, the rocket is on the pad, getting fueled and ready for liftoff. Get aboard or be left behind- -for the meek shall inherit the Earth.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  195. I don’t think Patterico’s blogroll argument quite works.

    See http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/08/politics/donald-trump-federal-judge-recusal/index.html

    CNN: “Curiel is a lifetime member of the National Hispanic Bar Association, which last year called for a boycott of all Trump business ventures — although it is not clear whether Curiel personally agrees with the boycott.”

    Instead of Patterico’s blogroll argument, I’d say that Patterico is responsible to some extent if a co-blogger at this site starts spouting lunacy, especially if Patterico neither disavows the lunacy nor severs the association.

    Andrew Hyman (b12b60)

  196. I agree, the time to dump Trump was in early February…but the GOP establishment chose to back Rubio/Jeb and that is why we have Trump as the nominee…if they succeed in dumping Trump by playing games with the nomination process the GOP will have flushed itself down the toilet bowl and effectively given Hillary Clinton the election. I don’t like Trump, I personally think that he’s a buffoon.

    On the other hand, I firmly believe that Hillary will be a far worse president than Trump. I merely HOPE Trump won’t be an idiot, but I DO KNOW that Hillary will be a disaster of a magnitude worse than Obama has been.

    Rich Vail (339dcb)

  197. Preach it, brother!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  198. 188… Walkin’ the Dog Sty

    Got Hillary’s back, like a hack
    Passin’ gas that warn’t no quack
    High, low, tipsy toe,
    He’s on teh needle and livin’ low
    Walkin’ teh sty
    Just walkin’ teh sty
    If you don’t know how he does it
    He’ll show you how to walk teh sty

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  199.  “At the end of the day, what matters is not the personal insults. What matters is who we can trust to defend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to get Washington off the backs of small businesses, and bring back jobs, and to keep America safe.”

    DRJ (15874d)

  200. Hillary will never do that and there is no evidence that Donald will do it either, but it will help if Trump starts talking about conservative values like he understands and believes in them. He hasn’t done either yet.

    DRJ (15874d)

  201. He won’t, of course. All Trump needs now is the nomination and the support of the RNC, because he won’t organize a campaign himself. He probably has the nomination but he won’t organize the campaign. He can’t afford it and he doesn’t have the patience or skill set to run a campaign that requires detailed organization instead of mere bluster.

    DRJ (15874d)

  202. At this point, Trump is right that he doesn’t need conservatives. He needs the RNC and he needs moderate Democrats. He has the RNC in his pocket, so now he will focus on moderates and what they want to hear. And if he loses, all we will hear is how conservatives let him down — the same conservatives he never cared about or wanted to support him.

    DRJ (15874d)

  203. And the chorus of Trump supporters here will support the narative that conservatives abandoned Trump. They won’t care that, unlike McCain and Romney, Trump never even pretended to be a conservative or to care about conservative issues. They will only care about getting even with anyone and everyone. The Trump motto.

    DRJ (15874d)

  204. If Trump loses, I will throw a party, a big party, a tremendous party, with a hyuge banner that says “Trump Lost And I’m To Blame”.

    Or maybe not — it’s just a suggestion to open negotiations with — don’t take it literally.

    nk (dbc370)

  205. When Hitler “lost” in 1945, in the rubble of Berlin, he blamed the German people. He said they were weak and unworthy of the Destiny he offered them.

    Better, much better, for Demented Donna to lose now than to “lose” two years from now in the rubble of America.

    nk (dbc370)


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