Ted Cruz just stared blankly at us, as elevator doors slowly closed us out, when someone asked if he'll ever endorse Trump.
— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) June 6, 2016
UPDATE: Trump thinks he’s the Godfather or something.
.@DavidAFrench: Trump operative contacted my wife's family in a 'ham-handed effort to intimidate' https://t.co/luVoXnCVRE
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My plan for today, as well.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:35 amAnd in November, if necessary, I will vote for the presumptive nominee. I can’t even imagine having to listen to 4 years worth of that Democrat criminal harridan, in the off chance she isn’t indicted and convicted.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:38 amUPDATE: Trump thinks he’s the Godfather or something.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:39 amRopelight will be along shortly to explain how Patterico is using violent language against his sweet little angel and that’s going to cause the little old lady at Piggly Wiggly to beat ropelight up or something.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:56 amFrench should’ve asked the police to investigate what he perceived to be a threat and any threats made against he a for his family.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:03 amPlus, some folks will decide to insult and give Trumpish nicknames to a decent human being. They will arrive shortly.
Sadly.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:03 amI protest-voted for Bernie as a sort of Operation Chaos.
Mitch (5e1dda) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:03 am… yeah, only way I believe French is if he has video/audio.
Otherwise more pu**y Conservative Intellectual who will never do what is needed when the time comes but are ready made to complain when others would.
I would have much more respect if French called back the “Trump Moron” and told him he would chop his off and play futbol with it if he ever called again.
Now that is someone I would vote for. That is what I want for POTUS. A man, not some pu**y intellectual.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:08 amYou were right, Simon Jester. It took an entire 5 minutes after you posted for your prognostication to come true.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:09 amThe pussy non-intellectual, loud-mouth, tough-talking Trump buttboy Rodney King’s Spirit should go to Trump rallies and put on his rough trade act to the Mexican protesters or shut his pie hole.
nj (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:16 amReal men say tough-guy stuff on the Internet, like Rodney King’s Spirit.
No one would ever mistake him for a “pu**y intellectual,” that’s for sure.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:17 amApparently I’m not alone in this assessment.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:18 amFine that he’s a cheap hastily-constructed amalgam of Cruz and Cotton, but did they have to use John Corzine as the corporeal prototype?
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:20 amThis news item couldn’t have been more timely for being the poster for the Republican party: a helpless and hapless fish swallowed whole by a jellyfish. http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/07/asia/fish-in-jellyfish-one-in-a-million-shot/index.html
Tillman (a95660) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:20 am#11 Another Conservative who would go to office and do as the Left says. A pu**y.
The fact he is on TV complaining about it says all.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:32 amOr he can volunteer for a tour in Iraq and come back with a Bronze Star like French did. Trump’s sissies are like their sugar-daddy who dodged the Vietnam draft — tough talk when they think they can get away with it and whining when they find they cannot.
nj (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:32 amEnough of the intellectuals, I am sick of you.
I want fighters.
Just wish we’d find a true Conservative willing to be a god damn m*fer.
A think tank Veteran — oh boy.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:34 amWow. Who knew a bronze star was awarded for being, well, a pussy.
But this is what is wrong with the Trump campaign. It brings out an odious level of mean-spiritedness in some of his supporters. No, not all.
The Left is laughing.
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/07/06/never-interfere/
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:38 am#16 French is a fighter. That is why he is on TV and works for a Think Tank.
Iraq, yeah, I got it. Difference being an order taker and order maker.
More intellectual, blah blah blah, legal BS discussion …. blah blah blah while the Left attacks peaceful rallies, burns flags, beats up people, intimidates business.
But sure, Mr French.
And my point is French’s reaction should be “I will fucking kill you if you mess with my family. Thank you.” … not get on TV and discuss how nasty and bullyish Trump’s surrogates are. “Ham handed” lol. So Country Club.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:38 am#16 French is a fighter. That is why he is on TV and works for a Think Tank.
Iraq, yeah, I got it. Difference being an order taker and order maker.
More intellectual, blah blah blah, legal BS discussion …. blah blah blah while the Left attacks peaceful rallies, burns flags, beats up people, intimidates business.
But sure, Mr French.
And my point is French’s reaction should be “I will f***ing kill you if you mess with my family. Thank you.” … not get on TV and discuss how nasty and bullyish Trump’s surrogates are. “Ham handed” lol. So Country Club
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:39 amFrench is a very good man and an excellent writer.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:39 amnj=nk
Yeah, most of you Trump pansies are looking for a he-man protector. You ain’t found him in Trump. He’s just a yapping little dog just like you.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:40 amRKS–The Internet Rambo.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:41 amKeep your ’74 Gold Duster away from my Freightliner. I hate scraping bugs off my headlight lenses.
I want a pugilist, not a guy whose wife’s minivan would have a Coexist sticker on it nor some Breast Cancer Awareness feel good ribbon.
Basta with being pu**ies. Fight. Fight. Fight.
That is what the other side does. They only rest from the fight when it benefits them.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:42 amI don’t want a corrupt politician who can be bought by corrupt businessman. I want a corrupt businessman who destroys lives and buys off corrupt politicians. — RKS
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:45 am#22 I drive a car worth about 3 of your trucks dude. You’d have a hard time finding me.
But again, let us mis the point in order to go after false strawman.
Getting on TV to complain about Trump Surrogates trying to intimidate you is Country Club. Pu**y for short.
Add to that his “job” if you can call it that ….. exactly what is not needed.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:45 amThe Communist Chinese government did the right thing when it used tanks to kill peaceful protesters. — Donald Trump
Heck yeah! That’s who I want running the US government! — RKS
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:47 amRKS claims to drive a 750k dollar car. That’s just like a Trumpster. Over-inflate his value to an extreme. And people who do drive cars worth that much are Country Club.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:50 amThat sounds like a great car. How much money have you donated to the Trump campaign, RKS?
DRJ (15874d) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:51 amAre there any men left in American not corrupted by feminism and PC?
Are there any men who could remind me of my Father and Grandfathers?
Men, who spoke like men and reacted like men to real world problem of survival and peace?
Men who understood progress required some tough choices and that many time a blunt blade works much much better than all the other stuff at one’s disposal.
Why must you all sound like Lawyers arguing at Court? So delicate. So easily upset over the reality of filthy and dirty and disgusting methods required to get power and hold it in hopes of actually doing the right thing in the end?
Where have the men gone?
Because what I read on this site is the type of navel gazing I would expect of small people.
“Someone called my wife’s family….and i think they are trying to intimidate me.” Yeah dude? And? Did you call 911 or polish your revolver and invite them over to chat?
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:52 am#28 No only Cruz. I hate Trump. He is a dick. A true shyster but not a Leftist.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:53 amYes we need a fighter! What are we fighting for? WHO CARES JUST FIGHT!!!! Screw our principles! Just FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!! MORE FIGHT LESS PRINCIPLES!!!
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:55 amTrump, not a Leftist? Put the crack pipe down, dude.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:56 amIt’s sad that it’s becoming an old gag so quickly.
What has conservatism conserved?
Ingot (7a65b3) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:58 amPaul singer is the godfather who told those willing to support cruz, you shall not pass. But carry on. Its a freeish country, but it won’t be under red queen.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:58 am#27 I dunno what kind of Freightliner you own but the ones I see 3 averages about 1/4 Quarter bill.
Maybe you have the really expensive ones in which case 2 would be about right. Maybe you have Mixers ….. even more expensive. So 3 Chevy Cruzes is more indicative of Chevy values than 3 high end Vettes.
But again, typical Country Clubbers …. you make up numbers claiming I did, don’t ask questions … but yes Internet tough guy has a really nice car Mr Truck Tough Guy.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:58 am#33, nothing, Conservatives just keep losing and we keep trying to find the next Harvard lawyer to save us.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:00 amIn order of the best ones it goes
#1 Mr. Trump
#2 Smelly Old Woman
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:00 amNot was the natl bar association has been up to. A trump boycott.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:03 amA new tractor costs north of 140k.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:03 amA new trailer costs north of 100k.
And no, I don’t have a sleeper the size of a house. Just standard-issue equipment.
So, my truck costs around 250k.
RKS,
Where I live, men don’t fight over words. Bullies fight over words. Men (and women) only fight when it’s life or death.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:04 ami’m voting for Bernie today here in #Failifornia…
i even drove down to Norwalk yesterday to make sure everything was in order.
i re-registered in April, and those geniuses responded by sending me TWO rethuglican absentee ballot. the SYT that helped me yesterday said that they sent me a GOP ballot “because you’ve always been a Republican…”
government incompetence, or suppressing the vote? we ask, you decide. 😎
redc1c4 (699d9e) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:12 amCompared to Trump, or any of the prancing Rinos, or the two DemFinalists, Patton was an intellectual. Having a knowledge of history, military affairs, and ballistics does not rule out being a fighter. But fighters are rare, particularly in the gelded ranks of senior officials in our government. They have always been rare. Sadly, Trump’s concept of “fighting” is despicable. He’d be the guy “fighting” to get in the last lifeboat on the Titanic with Roger Stone doing the dirty. His preferred victims would be women, the elderly, and children. This has been obvious since the Indiana primary.
To assume that Trump is the remedy is to disregard all of the principles that our Founders built into our Constitution.
But those principles have been bulldozed by the regulatory state. Perhaps Trump is the man for this season. But this can be nothing more than a hope. He seems more intent on purging his ranks of those who espouse conservative principles than battling with the dark side. This is typical of tyrants in the early days of their rise to power.
And this strategy, with its focus on eliminating all friendly competition by any means, is in stark contrast to the battle that Cruz undertook, which was to fight for the minds and hearts using knowledge, facts, and logic. And this may have been Cruz’s mistake, since “justice” in the United States looks more like a cage fight than the respectable process that would crown a regime based on the Rule of Law. Our chickens have come home to roost.
BobStewartatHome (404986) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:13 amI’ve voted for guiliani, gingrich and cruz, a more quixotic person you will not find.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:15 am42, depends on the timing of the primary. I wish Newt had been still been viable at the time of the IL 2012 primary.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:23 amI’m convinced the first two would have given Obama more of a run for the money.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:24 amThe deeply sad part is how predictable the Trump supporters are.
I called it. It happened. From precisely the people I expected.
Bombast, bragging, vulgarity.
Sort of like Trump.
And attacking French for not being “tough” like Trump? Isn’t it true that Trump bragged about avoiding Vietnam and facing the dangers of STDs?
Please.
Klavan pegged these kinds of people a long time ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHUPqhAGrk
Now, let me be clear. It’s possible to support Trump by saying he is less bad than HRC. But this hero worship is nonsense.
Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are different sides of the same coin: people unhappy with the system. But it seems like a visible subset of the Sanders supporters like to get in fights these days, and a visible subset of the Trump supporters want to brag and talk all tough.
It’s tiring.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:27 amI’ve voted for them, too, narciso. It does seem like an odd group, doesn’t it?
DRJ (15874d) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:31 amThe primary is the only way to render one’s opinion, mAverick already has too many demerits to his name, and romney seemed he needed a babelfish translator,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:37 amFrench volunteered to serve at age 37. In Iraq, when death and maiming was quite common. That’s courageous.
Meanwhile, this Romney King’s Spirit fellow is such a pussy he’s afraid to write the word “pussy.” Maybe he’s afraid if he writes it, he’ll go to H E double hockey sticks.
Brian (b52589) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:49 am“Fr*nch is a very good man and an excellent writer.
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Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:53 amFr*nch is a v*ery g**d man and an exce11ent writer.”
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Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:54 am3rd time was a charm!
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:55 amMust’ve thought “French” was a synonym for something involving coitus…
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:57 amDer Commisar’s path leads to Venezuela, so does red queen on a slower train,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:58 amAs I am watching this, the MSM is carefully laying the case for Trump as being a racist sociopath. By the time Hillary enters the White House, they will be calling for the GOP to be outlawed as a clear and present danger to all right*-thinking-people. Hillary will reluctantly comply by executive order.
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Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:18 am*means left
For all of you internet fire-eaters, I note that Mr French uses his real name. You guys not so much.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:22 amI haven’t said one negative thing about french, except they should have rallying support earlier Gary ‘bluntman’ Johnson and bill ‘ergot’ weld that’s another story,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:32 amnarcisco–
Talking more to RKS and such.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:37 amYes I know, vote your conscience in the primary, that’s all what can ask,
There’s nothing else going on here or in the world I see,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:40 amnarcisco–
My problem is that Romney wanted to find someone to do this thing, but wouldn’t do it himself. If he had got his people moving in February or March when he gave that speech, he could have pulled it off (or aborted if Trump didn’t get the nomination). But instead, waiting WELL past the date of viability, then sending forth a 4th-tier spoiler candidate, it really didn’t have any credibility.
That Trump’s people still found it necessary to send a guy around to talk about what a nice family French had speaks more about Trump than French. But we all knew that already.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:42 amYes I know, vote your conscience in the primary, that’s all what can ask,
I am heading out the door to vote for Cruz. I would vote for Gilmore before I’d vote for Trump.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:43 amOn a phone call he didn’t take
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:44 amKevin your head is up your ass, so be careful driving.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:45 amThose white supremists might egg you.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:46 amBe sure not to wear your Cruz tee shirt, or those white supremists might egg you.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:51 am63. Not entirely sarc, if we remember Mr. Sunglasses in Marion, IN. Cruz, if he was still actively campaigning in CA, would be relying on a Miklos* strategy to get the votes he needed.
*the fair-skinned 1/2 mex of the 3 brothers in the movie Bound by Honor/Blood In Blood Out “Use this!!! I can get into places you can’t, ese!!!
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:09 amThat Trump’s people still found it necessary to send a guy around to talk about what a nice family French had speaks more about Trump than French.
A guy we know fark all about rushes to get on MSNBC, to start a outrageous rumor about a phone call he didn’t take, that wasn’t to him, that he only heard about afterward, that was addressed to people we know even less of – but that doesn’t say anything about French?
He’s a stealth Hillary supporter, sent to concern troll us, on the only topic that Democrats ever bring up. We know that much.
You bunch of racists.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:15 amDid French get around to speaking on the necessity of speech codes for to maintain a well ordered society, later in the interview?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:18 amI say French is lying. There was no phonecall by a white supremist. I say he’s a liar looking to extend his fifteen minutes, before returning to a life of writing pulp fiction for a dying industry.
Prove me wrong.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:31 amI see papertiger feels emboldened by ropelight’s vile claims yesterday. They are perfect examples of Trumpkins. It is pathetic.
JD (5a9bdf) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:45 amHe was a JAG lawyer, not a combat arms MOS. Another REMF who got a Bronze Star for “meritorious service in a combat zone” while polishing his resume for his planned political career, just like Al Gore and John Kerry before him. No valor, no bravery, no icky guns required. Probably got a nasty paper cut that required TWO band=aids.
If his family received a threat, why wouldn’t Mr. Lawyer contact the authorities? And why would he choose MSNBC as the venue to make his accusations? An uncritical questioner and no tough questions, perhaps? Quite the brave soul there.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:49 amI love how the oh so very conservative Trumpkins attack attack attack actual conservatives.
JD (5a9bdf) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:01 pmwe have to beat the nasty splurk she’s a vile criminal what will defile and moisten everything and everyone (even children)
it’s so obvious duh I shouldn’t even have to explain this
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:08 pmMaybe if the comments did not always go into moderation I would write pu**y and f**k more often. But heck even “hombre bueno” in english goes into moderation because heaven forbid we point out other intellectual follies by the conservative intelligentsia.
French can volunteer to the moon. Going on Morning Job and complaining in the way he did is exactly what don’t care for. It is the usual “rather be right than rich” mindset that dooms Conservatives no matter how much I may agree on paper. He rather get his cocktail invite from his lefty friends than actually challenge them and confront them. Much like the Judge Roberts mindset of eschewing conflict and allowing injustice to stand. But he is loved and cherish by the Left as they stomp on his head.
Conflict is good. Conservatives need to accept that as a condition to success.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:10 pmOh yes and all those awful racist Trump Voters you now hate for their lack of principals were the same voters you were drooling over while rooting for Cruz.
U mad cuz they did not vote 4 your guy, Cruz. Get over it pu**ies.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:15 pmThe despicable lies told about Cruz was what converted me to NeverTrump but the slander of David French by Trump kind unfit to hold his coat was the icing.
SPQR (82101a) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:17 pmyeah you silly purries
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:19 pmAnd I love how you get to be the arbiter of who is an “actual” conservative. Because you thought a guy who was all for letting illegals stay as long as they want to and increasing H1B visas 500% was an “actual” conservative, so I’m not so sure that you are qualified to make those pronouncements. Now, you want us to believe another lawyer from Harvard is just the ticket and an “actual” conservative. Don’t you guys ever learn?
I also love how you are all for lie, fabrications, innuendo, actual threats, actual violence, and other assorted SJW tactics, so long as the people you oppose politically are on the receiving end. You don’t care about the truth, honesty, or any of the virtues you claim for yourselves. You only care about the acquisition of power by your guy, even if it takes lies, cheating, and changing the rules after the fact.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:20 pmWhat ” slander of David French by Trump”? Even in his fantasy he pitched to MSNBC, he didn’t claim Trump had slandered him.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:24 pmThank you Prowler. He draws “conservative” like it was a gun.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:27 pmSlander of French by the Trumpkins here, such as papier mache tiger and prowlerguy.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:28 pmI see your big knife. And I’m sure there is hidden on your person some kind of pussified shooting instrument.
Calling you out anyway.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:29 pmWasn’t this the same guy who said he would vote for Trump if he were the nominee, only to very loudly change his mind only a few weeks later? Why yes, it is. What, was he too stupid in January to see what you claim is plain as day? Or was he just another sleazy lawyer angling for a political career and decided that Trump was beatable, and he could build some IOUs if he could claim some part in that defeat? Given his alleged intellect, I’d favor the latter. Either way, not an exemplary guy.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:32 pmHitchcock for Hillary jumpin in. He ain’t enough.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:32 pmNice Glen Campbell reference, papertiger.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:33 pmIt’s just #45. Wow. Such tough guys.
Simon Jester (6d9f2e) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:37 pmWhat slander, Johnny? Isn’t he a lawyer? Didn’t he serve in the JAG, which is not combat arms? Aren’t Bronze Stars awarded for meritorious service, not just heroic service?
And the claim was that Trump was the source of the slander. Let SPQR speak for himself, unless he is just a sock puppet. Then you can answer for him.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:38 pmAmazing how pointing out indisputable facts is being a “tough guy”. You can go to your private Facebook club and be in your safe space and not have to deal with those ugly facts anymore. Snowflake.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:41 pmI was offered a blog one time just to slander the French.
True story. Can’t prove it.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:41 pmProwler, let Trump speak for himself, unless you’re just his sock puppet. And “Trump kind” was referenced, not just “Trump” but “Trump kind”. But you’re aligning yourself with the serial liar papier mache tiger, so I wouldn’t expect you to try something radical, like being honest.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:41 pm#75 LOL, he just made that last part up from thin air to smear Trump. But Trump!!!!!!!! He is the worstest of the worstisistsssss …….
Sad part is I totally get the misgivings about Cafone 2016 but in war you have to pick sides. “Conservatives” who play Switzerland like Ryan are not to be taken seriously in my view.
These effete Conservatives are best left in the parlor playing chess discussing big vunderful ideas but kept far away from real decision making or, heaven forbids, actually ruling. This is the modern day (R) Party.
Like Ryan today, instead of actualy saying “You know any Judge with La Raza Affiliations in a Trump Civil trial does have some basic questions they should answer on the issue of bias. The beliefs of some La Raza members and affiliates run counter to American Principles and Values — starting with a belief that we need a Mexican / USA border. So I don’t agree with Mr Trump this is a Mexican American issue per se but I do agree with him there are some issues that should be vetted with Judge Curiel. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. And if the shoe was on the other foot, La Raza would ask for the same.”
But no ….. waaaa Trumpie is wassissstttttttttt. This coming from the same idiots who got angry at Trump for attacking Cruz from the Left (which I agreed was bad) and now doing the same wassssissstttt playbook crap the Democrats use every election.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:46 pmWould have it not been more CONSERVATIVE for Paul Ryan to come out today and condemn the San Jose PD for allowing whites be lynched and attacked last week at a Trump Rally?
Lynched and attacked by mobs of people organized by La Raza Affiliates? Many of the people who are likely of Mexican origin or Central American?
Would it not merit some questioning of Judge Curiel on this matter given his La Raza Affiliation? Maybe ask Judge Curiel if he ever looked into allegations of intimidation and criminality on the part of said organizations while a Prosecutor?
Again, what is wrong with Paul Ryan that he reflexively allows the other side to set the terms of the debate? Is he just a pu**y who eschews conflict whilest hoping to appease his captors like some Stockholm Syndrome victim?
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:01 pmKevin your head is up your ass, so be careful driving.
It’s comments like these that make me re-up at #neverTrump.
Every time I look, it seems that Trump’s people are ALL assh0les. You must make him especially proud.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:19 pmRodney King’s Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:08 am
Nobody called David French.
Somebody, claiming to have been calling for Trump * called some member of his wife’s family, vaguely warning about what they’d be getting into. He didn’t hear about it until after he’d already made his decision not to run. (because he’s neither a great political talent nor extraordinarily rich. He said he is not the person to make the run, but he thinks there’s somebody else who could do it.)
He also said that, even back when he was merely writing against Trump, a whole army of people, he presumes instigated by Trump’s twitter feed and so on, contacted him, or criticized him, zeroing in on his multi-racial family (his interracial adoption) as the focus of their criticism. Racists stirred up by Donald Trump he thought.
* It could really have been somebody hired by the Clinton campaign. Polls at this stage show that third party candidates who draw from Republicans (Libertarian) hurting Hillary more than Donald Trump. That is, there was a poll that showed that adding both the Libertarian and Green party candidates to a 2-candidate poll reduces Hillary’s margin by 2 percentage points.
Why should that not be true? After all, there’s a lot of #NeverTrump Republicans who, forced to make a choice, say they would vote for Hillary, and some people on this board say they know them personally, but there are not too many #NeverHillary Democrats who talk about voting for Donald Trump! Yes, some Sanders people, but still, the #NeverTrump Republicans who might vote for Hillary Clinton outnumber them.
That’s at this stage of course, and, on average, polls at this stage are 9 points off from the final results. That’s average: In some elections they barely change; in others there can be a switch of 18 points, not to mention the polls just being inaccurate anyway. There’s usually also a temporary bump in the direction of ultimately more inaccuracy around the time of the conventions.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:19 pmProbably got a nasty paper cut that required TWO band=aids.
IIRC, that was pretty much what kept the Donald out of the draft.
One guy served, the other guy dodged the draft. And the draft dodger’s fanatics attack the character of the guy who served. You guys should be ashamed. If you knew shame.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:23 pm#92
It sounds a little fishy that someone would call up claiming to be associated with the Trump campaign, yet didn’t apparently properly identify themself. It’s an old Cold War ‘spy vs spy’ trick to claim to be on the other team, do something unseemly, then laugh at the fallout when the other team gets blamed.
The Clintons are dirty tricksters, as is Team Trump. But let’s wait to see some facts before we pin this on Team Trump.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:26 pmSammy,
You seem to have this all worked out. Try to remember that this is just a long chain of wild-ass guesses on your part and not established fact.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:31 pmSadly, for the past 50 years we have seen a resurgence of tribalism wrapped in the mantle of “multiculturalism.” For most on the left and many on the right (Paul Ryan), non-White/male/heterosexual tribalism seems benign, if not beneficial. What planet do these people live on? To criticize Trump’s objection to tribalism as racist is pure Orwellian Doublespeak. It is also precisely the stupidity that has opened the door for Trump.
Just how dysfunctional does our culture have to become before these idiots figure out there is a problem? Of all the issues called out by Shorty, this is among the most important. In the face of all the criticism he has received – almost unbelievably – he doubles down. Wow!
ThOR (c9324e) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:32 pmOf course Trump didn’t call French and say: “David, that’s a lovely family you have, it would be terrible if something happened to them. Why don’t you get out of this now?”
Deniability. Which Sammy has made a beeline for, as he always does.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:34 pmRodney King’s Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:39 am
The call wasn’t really made to intimidate him – that’s why it was ham-headed and came late. It was meant to smear Donald Trump. It was meant to give him the idea that his worst enemy was Donald Trump. The same sort of thing was done to Ross Perot in 1992.
The National Enquirer was probably telling the truth when they said private detctives were looking into Ted Cruz’s sex life (and trying to come up with something or somethinbg they could distort.
I don’t think they were hired by anyone who was for Marco Rubio, and I don’t think they were hired by Donald trump. He’s not taht sophisticated and has not been known to use private detectives befpre.
There is, however, someone else who’s been known to hire private detectives.
http://www.wnd.com/2007/11/44416/
Even Roger Stone claimed that:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/11/roger-stone-says-hillary-hired-private-investigators-to-terrorize-bill-clintons-rape-victims-3238438.html
Whether it was actually Hillary doing the hiring, I wouldn’t know, but in 1992 the Clinton campaign had expenses for private detectives.
http://www.joeclarke.net/2008/05/sleazy-investigator-anthony-pellicano.html
I recall there was some attempt to disguise paying for this in campaign finance reports.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:36 pmTrump is running the risk of being declared ineligible for the nomination on “the good of the party” grounds. At the very least he is increasing the chance that the delegates will be freed from all findings before the first ballot — state laws on this are laughable, and state party rules can be overriden by the national party or the convention itself, as they have done in the past with things like the Unit Rule.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:37 pm*bindings not findings
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:38 pmKevin M., I never attacked his character. I was responding to statements that the Bronze Star was proof of valor and courage. And service, while noble, is somewhat less so when the motivation is to enhance one’s political future. We all said that about Al Gore, and we all said that about Kerry (who actually did employ weapons during his tour). Why should French get a free pass as another REMF lawyer who spent his time in country safely in the Green Zone? Because he attacks Trump with vague alleged third-hand phone calls? Apparently that’s all it takes to punch his ticket to the #nvertrumper party.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:47 pmThe Tiger has a point. Why didn’t French identify his tormentor by name? Could it be French made up a convenient tall tale? How are we to know?
No man of integrity would have made such an unreferenced accusation without evidence to back it up. Unless French is willing to point the finger at a specific individual who could then speak up in his own defense, French is a man making a politically motivated accusation during a presidential campaign without a shred of evidence.
That’s the mark of a dirty slander, and no reputable news organization should have printed it without firm confirmation and without giving the accused a chance to respond.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:49 pm“yeah you silly purries”
– happyfeet
I think you meant “silly putties” like the fun toy with the newspaper imprinting powers.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:50 pmAhh, Kevin M. Holding out hope that some back-room, last minute rule change will somehow rescue your boy Teddy. Sorry, but it isn’t going to happen. Deal with it. Get over it. And decide if you support Hillary or not.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:52 pmThe deed is done. Go Cruz!
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:53 pmTrumpkins attacking David French for serving in as a JAG is as ridiculously hypocritical as Trumpkins attacking Hillary Clinton for being married to an alleged rapist.
David French volunteered for military service. Donald Trump faked an injury to dodge military service.
Hillary Clinton is married to an alleged rapist. Donald Trump is an actual alleged rapist.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:55 pmNice quiet time spent at the polling location, only to come back to this!?!? Damn your eyes, KevinM and several others!
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:57 pmHillary Clinton is a vile, leftwing soon-to-be felon. All who do not understand this, why… there’s no help for you.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:59 pmI really am starting to think that the most vociferous Trump supporters are bitter middle-aged men who got their nuts clipped in nasty divorces, by powerful women who (understandably) lost all respect for them, and that Hillary Clinton reminds them of those ex-wives (or maybe current wives) who so thoroughly whipped them. It’s the most plausible explanation for the tone of whiny resentment.
I just wish they’d take their fake grievances and real insecurities to the mens’ rights forums, with the other losers.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:00 pmAhh, Kevin M. Holding out hope that some back-room, last minute rule change will somehow rescue your boy Teddy. Sorry, but it isn’t going to happen. Deal with it. Get over it. And decide if you support Hillary or not.
I would seriously consider the devil before Trump. I would rather avoid the choice. Why do you not understand the depth of revulsion that so many many people have for Donald Trump?
NOT EFFING ONCE in the last year, have I heard a reasoned, logical left-brain rationale for supporting M<r Trump. I suppose that's because there isn't one. All there are are boojums and bogeywomen and sneaky Mexican judges.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:02 pmI’ve no use for those neutered individuals who swoon over Clinton. They apparently have no issues with her gender-focused candidacy, her utter disregard for the law, national security, her provable malfeasance, criminality, or her incredible incompetence as Secretary of State, which has helped to set Europe, North Africa and the Middle East on a bloody road to ruin.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:10 pmThey’ve been drinking the thuggee blood punch, coronello,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:23 pmWhat would you consider a logical, left-brain rationale for supporting Trump, Kevin M?
Apologies if you’ve answered. I have several answers but you’ve stated you have a ‘depth of revulsion’ which indicates a gut-level emotional response. Not a left-brain response.
People are emotional first, rational second.
Ingot (e5bf64) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:26 pmIf Trump were not the nominee, he’d be VOTING for Hillary. He gave her money in 2008. He supported Obama when she lost.
Why shouldn’t we consider Hillary? Or weeding our garden that day?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:28 pmit’s clear the best way forward is to elect Mr. Trump
this way Hillary won’t do her nasty all over everybody
she’s disgusting and that’s why everybody hates her
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:31 pmWhat would you consider a logical, left-brain rationale for supporting Trump, Kevin M?
Hard to say, with a man who has 5 mutually exclusive abortion positions in 4 days, puts out a txx plan in February and refutes it in May, and weasels back nearly everything he’s ever said in the campaign while denying he ever said it even having been show the tape.
I suppose there’s some rational way to spin the advantages of his “wall” or a giant tariff (with no explanation of why this won’t be a disaster like all the times before), or why giving nukes to other countries is a good idea, even though he doesn’t have even a basic grasp of US nuclear policy.
My revulsion is based on his 3-year-old tantrums and inability to behave. It’s not emotional at all. It’s a cold, logical judgement that this man should be kept as FAR EFFING AWAY from power as humanly possible.
Convince me otherwise.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:34 pmTo quote Abe Lincoln: “The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here…”
gbear (35fafe) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:42 pmBut it is interesting, like being back on the playground in grammar school. “my dad can beat yours”, “I can pee further than you can.”
A few days ago Hillary Clinton cancelled appearances in New Jersey and went all out to campaign in California. Then, yesterday she flew back to New Jersey and will speak of the East Coast tonight.
She’s projected to win New Jersey by almost a 2-1 margin – she and trump have won in the Northeast and in the south, although Trump was not as strong in the South as she was.
And today the New York Times left to right 8 column headline was:
the last lines just filling two columns. There’s also a picture of Hillary to the left, speaking in Lynwood, California on Monday.
This same thing was also (negatively put) on the New York Post front page:
“The End is Nigh! Hillary crawls to nomination See PAGES 4-5”
The Wall Street Journal has something about D-Day and Trump rallying suporters tostick with him
about the federal judge. Clinton Crosses Threshold To Secure Nomination is on the bottom of page A4.
The Daily News is on a crusade for extending the statute of limitations for suing over child sexual abuse and opening a window for old cases and has a story about an Assemblywoman who’s been for this for years claiming she was offered a de facto bribe ($5,000 for treatment of a family member) by the head of the Catholic church in Brooklyn, a bishop, in 2010, if she would drop her campaign for the bill. Muhammed Ali is on pages 6 and 7, anti de Blasio stories on page 8
That Hillary clinches the nomination on part of page 10. A big Anti Trump hit piece in connnection with the attacks on the judge is on on pages 10-11. He’s both racist and a clown according to the story headline.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:43 pmI would guess that Hillary will declare herself to have won the Democratic nomination sometime between when the polls close in New Jersey and when the polls close in California. She probably expects Sanders to win California or is basing her strategy on that eventuality.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:44 pmthe drama queeny petulance of the nevertrumpers reminds me of those girls what were so mean to marcia after her volcano made poopies everywhere
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:45 pmWalls cut illegal border crossings in their areas by 95%. Says Israel and many others.
We have had laws passed authorizing and stating the prime locations for the walls to be built over and over, but the money never gets allocated and spent. We’ve already agreed to build this wall over and over, but then we get lied to and cheated out of it.
Building the wall is just one part of getting our illegal immigration problem under control. It is a required part of the solution.
Do you agree that we have an illegal immigration problem? Do you agree that we already agreed to build a wall? Do you agree that building a wall is part of the solution?
Tariffs. As Mark Levin explains, we already have loads of tariffs. He listed a bunch of them on his show. Big tariffs on big classifications of items. And other countries tariff the heck out of us, too.
Trump’s argument, from the 1990’s on, is that we’re being screwed by other countries. They tariff us more than we tariff them, and they put up countless other barriers to our entry in their markets (like China, who requires Chinese ownership of investments there). We end up buying from them but they don’t buy from us. That ends up with our manufacturing and skillsets and knowhow and jobs all migrating to those countries.
It’s not free trade. We don’t have anything like free trade now. Trump is advocating using the weapons that we have to unscrew ourselves.
Dispute as you would. Is that left brain enough? No sarcasm. Sorry if I used emotional words like ‘screwed.’
Ingot (e5bf64) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:47 pm102. ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:49 pm
Because he wasn’t tormented, he didn’t get the call, and the man didn’t give his name, but said he was working for Donald Trump.
Now he may have made a mistake in thinking that when the man said he was working for Donald Trump, he was telling the truth.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:49 pmThe Communist Chinese government did the right thing when it used tanks to kill peaceful protesters. — Donald Trump
That’s not quite what he said. He didn’t say they were right. In fact, actually it is hard to tell if Donald Trump has a conception of right and wrong. He remarked on their strength.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:50 pmInvestigate what? It’s not actually a crime to make calls like that. “Bad things will happen to you, and your little doggy too” is not a threat, however intimidating it feels. Even if the person had made an explicit threat of violence should French decide run, it wouldn’t be an assault because the violence was not imminent, and it wouldn’t be a “true threat” because it was contingent. You can’t really do anything about such calls unless they’re repeated many times, in which case you can get them for harassment.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:52 pm99. Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:37 pm
The easiest thing to do would be to require over 60% or 62% or 65% to win on the first ballot.
But they’ve surrendered.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:52 pmit was part of a long discussion, comparing how late era soviet union, it was impossible to get something done, what happened subsequently with larry summer’s bunko squad, strip mining the country and handing it over to the oligarchs, is what brought volodya to power, in part,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:53 pmHow are you supposed to see a bias past the stick up your own [user edit]?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:56 pmOr, as the article continues, “the fish could be a juvenile trevally, which are known to use jellyfish stingers as protection […] my guess is that it is probably quite happy to be protected in there”.
Note for happyfeet: trevally are delicious; broil them plain and then squeeze some lemon on them.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:58 pmThis is all subterfuge to distract from Cackle sneaks away the Demo crown in the dead of night the day before she loses the biggest state in the nation.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:01 pmthey look amazing
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:03 pmA vote for Cruz is like a Californian putting a Ready for Bernie sticker on car today.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:08 pm121. Ingot (e5bf64) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:47 pm
But not 100%.
Walls don’t eliminate border crossing anywhere, and you won’t be satisfied with anything less than 100% will you?!?
If we’re talking about the Egyptian border with Israel, by the way, what is keeping Sudanese and other African refugees coming from Egypt out is probably more the fact that ISIS is now on the other side of the border than anything else.
Nobody wants to enter ISIS territory. Just put ISIS on the other side of the Mexican border. That would help too.
ISIS and Hamas still seem to be separate entities, but are co-operating. Hamas rules Gaza and ISIS rules or functions in, parts of the Sinai desert. ISIS is not ready to attack Israel, or Jordan, which is under the military guarantee of Israel. ISIS quickly pulled out of Lebanon too, and avoided Turkey, except for occasional terrorist attacks, on strangers and on people from Syria who who act against them. The ISIS affiliate in the Sinai actually changed its name from an anti-Israel name (Ansar Beit al-Maqdis, which refers to the Temple in Jerusalem) to Sinai Province when they linked up, because ISIS does not want to tangle with Israel.
Donald Trump has a simple solution for that. If Congress won’t appropriate the money – he’ll get Mexico to pay for it! He’ll leave it to you to figure out how.
Will he impose retaliatory tariifs for something or other, invoke money laundering statutes to interfere with money transfers, or in general conduct a cold war with Mexico?
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:12 pmBullpucky. Various people have presented their rational reasons. You and the #nevertrump hillary buttsnufflers can only respond with “Racists!!!” The funny thing is that everyone here knows that you are lying, but they all pretend or else the whole Potemkin village of their righteous indignation falls down.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:14 pmpapertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:01 pm
She’ll be on television claiming victory before Sanders can say anything about California and going on to the convention.
That’s why she went to Brooklyn.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:16 pmI’ll be satisfied with 95% from the wall.
When you’re fixing a leaky boat with a huge hole, baling doesn’t help until the hole is small enough that you can bale faster than the hole leaks. I don’t need to let the perfect be the enemy of the great.
Trump has said he’ll tax remittances to Mexico as one option. I don’t know if current remittance law allows him to do that without Congress. You tell me.
Ingot (e5bf64) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:18 pmLike Red, a protest vote for Bernie. For the past week its been “How important Calif is to Clinton”; then yesterday news reported she had it all sown up. This morning the news said she colluded with AP on that story it was sown up. I hope she starts coughing up lung chunks
Angelo (c2ae52) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:19 pmWhat, he can’t be bothered to actually look up the caller id? Or tell us when and who the threat went to? Phone records exist and can be produced, if there was any desire to bring facts to the table. Heck, if he is a presidential candidate, then all threats, no matter how vaugue, are investigated. You’re asking us to take the word of a man who a) has been blaming Trump for all manner of things before now, and b) has everything to gain by going to MSNBC and making his baseless accusation. He’s a lawyer. He knows that since Trump is a public figure, he can say anything, even a lie, and get away with it.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:19 pmKevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:34 pm
No question there’s deniability. In fact, there’s also untraceability.
My question is who was really behind this. I don’t think things are at all simple here. I think this wasmaybe an attempt to get David French to focus on Donald Trump as the main enemy.
Clinton got Perot to think that George Bush was planning dirty tricks against him. Now, unlike George Bush the Elder, I think Donald Trump has the moral character to do dirty tricks, but I don’t think he has the skills.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:22 pmGiuliani is a liberal, like Trump. Even by NYC standards. He even ran for mayor as a Liberal. He’s a bully, also like Trump. And his morals seem to be Trump-like too. So no, I could never vote for him.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:24 pm126… Milhouse is full of beans, as usual:
“All 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government have statutes that criminalize transmitting harassing communications via the telephone. Many states have separate sections that cover telephone harassment, but many others treat such harassment as a class of another crime, such as stalking or general harassment.
Telephone harassment is defined in many different ways. For example, while most states require some level of intent to harass or annoy, a few require only that the communication in fact harasses or that a reasonable person would expect it to harass.
This collection of telephone-harassment statutes is limited to a narrow category of harassing communications. These do not include other crimes that can be committed over the phone, including fraud, threats, violating a protective order, illegal telemarketing or eavesdropping. They also do not include any other legally significant words that can be binding over the phone, such as the formation of a contract. Further, any provisions that might create a civil action in response to harassing phone calls are not included.
Telephone harassment often includes the following actions: calling repeatedly, anonymously or at inconvenient hours; causing the phone to ring continuously; using obscene language; or failing to hang up the phone. It can also include falsely stating that a family member of the recipient is injured or dead, or threatening to injure the recipient or a family member.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:27 pmPeople violating these laws may receive a prison sentence, a fine or both. Maximum fines for first offenses range from $250 to $2,500. Maximum prison sentences range from 30 days to one year. These sentences are sometimes increased when the offense is repeated or motivated by the victim’s race, gender, ethnicity, religion, age, disability or sexual orientation. These provisions are included only where they are listed in the telephone-harassment section itself. Further, where the statute only lists the class of crime, such as a class B misdemeanor, the statutory maximum sentence for that class is listed in brackets when available.”
That statement is nothing but emotion. Not a single fact there, just a hysterical shriek and finger wagging by a spoiled child who still won’t accept that the grown-ups are not going to let them get their way.
So go ahead and defend the open borders and unchecked immigration (with instant citizenship) that a Hillary presidency will bring. Because you oppose Trump and would prefer a Hillary presidency to a Trump presidency, how will the US maintain any semblance of sovereignty if the election goes the way you want it to? And no crystal ball to foretell the future that you imagine where Trump does nothing about immigration.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:28 pmI thought Giuliani was bad originally, in 1989, but came to see that as uninformed. He was sincere.
Now he’s gotten bad,in the sense of not caring about whether he’s right,and just being incompetent.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:29 pmThat caller who said he was calling for Trump was probably very careful what he said.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:30 pmLiar. He has no such affiliation.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:32 pm#Sammy, yes I know no one called Mr French himself. Point being, given the circumstances, why on earth bring up something so silly if “ham handed” and if so dead serious, why not report it?
This is like the Reporter Wasshername with all the BS about being thrown to the floor … blah blah blah. Like enough of this pu**y banter.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:34 pmgood allah, sammeh, he save the big apple from ending up as ‘escape from new york’ territory, yet they rewarded that schmiel bloomberg, because he had a girlfriend or something, I don’t recall the carp that wayne barrett vomited up, and he’s supposed to be an authority on trump,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:39 pmA vote for Cruz is like a Californian putting a Ready for Bernie sticker on car today.
What color is the sky where you live? Polka-dot?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:42 pmwhile you’re doing david brock’s work for him,
http://freebeacon.com/politics/here-are-all-the-softball-questions-the-media-just-asked-hillary-clinton/
yes, sure they will examine red queen thoroughly
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:42 pmLiar. He has no such affiliation
But the Trumpies say it’s true. Would they lie? After all, they’re the ones who finally pinned the JFK assassination of Ted Cruz!
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:46 pmyes, that was idiocy vouched for by robert blakey, allegedly,
http://spectator.org/trump-judge-belongs-to-group-that-called-for-trump-business-boycott/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:51 pmCuriel is a member of the CA Hispanic Bar Association, which calls itself “La Raza Laywers of California.”
Not everything with “La Raza” in the name of the organization is connected to The National Council of La Raza. This is one example.
Also, Berlin, Ohio is not a German city.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:53 pmso bluntman makes an impression, but not a memorable one,
https://morningconsult.com/2016/06/07/gary-johnson-general-election-poll-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:55 pmSixteen years ago I wrote the following:
You get the feeling that the candidates who run ONLY for President really know that they can’t possibly win, but that they want their ideas to be promoted. I say, if the ideas are so good, let’s put them into practice on a local level and show the rest of the country the way it can work. Or do they fear that they wouldn’t be able to persuade people to change without the near-absolute power that the Presidency provides?
The idea that some “outsider” can ride into D.C. on a white stallion and clean up government single-handed is as imaginary as the movies that had that sort of thing happening in Old West villages. The Federal Government is broken for sure, but if we get to the point where a sign is posted on the gate to the White House reading “President Wanted — No Experience Necessary”, the game will have been over for a long while.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:57 pmcuriel is a trashy la raza p.o.s. nominated by food stamp cause food stamp figured curiel would help him rape our freedom
none of this is complicated
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:59 pmJusge Curiel’s La Raza lawyer organization has a link to The National Council of La Raza on its front page plus verbiage indicating they stand for the same thing.
Ingot (7a65b3) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:05 pmI still find it hard to believe that anyone takes happyfeet’s vocally expressed love of Trump seriously.
He had repeatedly expressed an inclination to push the buttons of anyone who commits the sin (in his mind) of taking things too seriously. It’s the only consistent inclination I’ve seen him demonstrate, honestly – and as a sole inclination, it’s one I can respect.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:05 pmTrump is a worn out demented old loon of dubious masculinity.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:09 pmAs are the majority of his Trumpkins and Frumpkins.
Without the stamina and wherewithal for more than querulous old peple rants.
So, no, Mr. Prowlerguy.
We decline to accede to your request.
Those Mexicans and Muslims on your front lawn when you just want to hold your dick while looking at a picture of Trump are your worry.
Our worry is a demented old demi-gangster and his Slovenian porn model in the White House.
So we are not going to be quiet so you can enjoy your Gerber’s in peace.
We are going to keep up the pressure any way we can.
And if you can’t take it, you be the one that keeps a dignified senior citizens silence.
he’s the most magnificent alternative to feminine odor and wetness that we have available to us
and if he floated by i’d cling to him like he was the last lifeboat
i know what side my toast is buttered on (the top) and that’s also where i put various jams, jellies, and sometimes honey
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:14 pmJusge Curiel’s La Raza lawyer organization has a link to The National Council of La Raza on its front page plus verbiage indicating they stand for the same thing.
that’s VERY telling i think
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:16 pmit has little to do with that, just like the mexicans don’t really cotton to their aztec and mayan brethren, from south of their border, they use the army to roust them before they settle,
likewise trouble makers like the ones in san jose, get taken away and dumped in quick lime, and even the pope doesn’t inquire too keenly on that point,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:30 pmwhen they have had brief guerilla insurgencies, in the 60s, and the mid 90s, they went medieval on those pesky fools,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:31 pmthe folks in the isle of leros have founded hospitality granted strangers, not reciprocated upon, let us say,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:34 pmtry the habanero jelly, happyfeet?
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:34 pmnot to mention, they shipped fidel back to us, like a tasmanian devil in a crate,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:42 pmyou know what i forgot to take it this weekend
i got me some biscuits though
you know what i should do them up before i leave tomorrow and take them to work for my friend D who’s gonna be a daddy come thursday so this is his last day tomorrow before he welcomes a new lil kid into the whirl
and that calls for biscuits!
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:43 pmThe Hillary Clionton event will be at the Brooklyn Navy yard tonight, starting at about 9:45 pm. Mayor de Blasio will be one of the speakers. Hillary willnot be the first. I have afeeling she wants to go on before Bernie in California.
Bernard Sanders had planned to go to Vermont to think but now will head to Washington, D.C. for the D.C. Democratic primary June 14.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:44 pmTrump: I’m not gonna talk about the Trump U. case anymore because the media misconstrued my words
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:54 pmthe media in failmerica sucks an uncommon amount of ass
Mr. Trump ain’t wrong about that no sir
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:56 pmwell what would be a right amount
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36469828
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:57 pmCall in a gunship, Sammy.
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:58 pmI need a Mariachi band.
“…. the link to Raza’s on their homepage.
There’s no mistaking where they stand.
You might think it’s California.
Screw you gringo,o,0,o.
You’re in Aztlan.”
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:02 pmDemented Donna does not like to talk about things for very long because he does not remember what he said fifteen minutes ago. And this is the “guy” happyfeet wants to have the nuclear codes.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:02 pmNO SANE MAN IS GOING TO VOTE FOR A SHRILL NAG WHO REMINDS THEM OF THEIR FIRST WIFE FROM 1975 WHO’D BADGER THEM TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 4TH QUARTER OF MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL AS HOWARD COSELL GOES ON A RANT ABOUT SLOW MOTION REPLAYS OF THE DALLAS COWBOY CHEERLEADERS SHAKING THEIR POMPOMS FOR DANDY DON. JUST NO WAY. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT WOMAN IN YOUR FACE FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS? HELL, BILL DIDN’T EVEN WANT HER ON HIS.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:03 pmdid wretchedly poor sadly unstable mark kirk seriously attend the “National Autonomous University of Mexico”
sí.
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:07 pmyes, let’s trust corona champion 2012, red queen instead, of course after four years we’ll probably be back to 1945 levels,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:12 pmToo close to call in New Jersey
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:12 pmMSNBC’S CHRIS MATTHEWS SAID ON AIR THIS EVENING FROM THE SANTA MONICA PIER THAT NOMINATING HILLARY IS A “MAGICAL MOMENT.” NO TINGLE UP HIS LEG THIS TIME. JUST PIXIE DUST.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:16 pmLOL
i love it when li’l pikachu calls anyone weird and unstable and smelling of urine or whatevs that seems nasty
i loves it like green tea mochi ice cream
wikifootia even has a article with small words about it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
pikachu gets computer playtime time at arkham asylum every single day
cock a doodle do
he likes him pattericos place to fill his little life instead of poopyfingerpainting
kneepads in front of braggy blabby lying flustercucks what spends daddys money and womyns hatred can only take him so far
its therapy
patterico should charge him
trumpyfeet (c8876d) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:18 pmWow, Trump’s fans sure had some hissy fits in this thread. French doesn’t need our defense. That he’s hated by such nasty people is an honor.
Trump fans seem more and more desperate, and I think it’s because they realize Trump’s campaign is falling apart. I do not think he will be the nominee.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:22 pmCould you go ahead and provide that link, and show us precisely where the link to The National Council of La Raza is, and what the verbiage is? Specifics please, ingot. Thanks!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:30 pmI’m just going to go ahead and confidently predict this ain’t gonna happen
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:31 pmI’d welcome if Trump stepped aside and endorsed Cruz, Rubio or Walker … but that ain’t happening.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:32 pmDoes anybody honestly think that an organization named “The Race” for folks with an Anglo-Saxon heritage would be allowed to exist? Honestly?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:33 pmJust sayin’…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:34 pmI voted for Cruz today… on the off chance of some unforeseen hail-Mary… but I will unashamedly (if unenthusiastically) vote for Trump come Nov if that’s the only way to stop the Felon or the Communist.
Captain Obvious (14cc4d) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:34 pmthe claim seems a little threadbare, I do thank french for his service abroad, and his various endeavors here,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:34 pmwell it’s a more hippy dippy concept concocted by vasconcelos in 1925, it’s more how you identify then genetics,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:35 pmIf Trump steps aside he’ll endorse Hillary.
He will say the GOP betrayed me.
And betrayed my supporters.
Let it burn.
I guarantee it.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:36 pmBecause that’s the way he rolls.
The absolute last person I want to see in charge of this country is my ex-wi -… *ahem* I mean, Hillary Clinton!!
Leviticus channeling Trump Supporters (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:37 pmAnd we’re not talking NASCAR here, folks…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:37 pmbut enough about mike castle, or dick lugar,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:37 pm“I’d like a a Hillary golden shower and then be allowed to make a seafood chowder with Her Majesty’s panties”
Colonel Haiku Channeling Leviticus (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:39 pm#180 I dunno Pat, but they are two peas in the same pod. http://sdlrla.com/ Check Community tab on the right.
#182 Of course not, the very name itself is racially over charged and exclusionary. People don’t seem to get La Raza is an agglomeration of lots of like minded organizations all of which support OPEN BORDERS. Most (if not all) also seem to support this idea that Mexicans are entitled to “reconquer” the Southwest and California.
Curiel is totally biased. Sorry but folks needs to accept simple human nature rules. He might end up being FAIR but he is totally biased and 100% looking for any legal reason to screw Trump. Which is Trump’s point.
No Judge with membership in a “European American” Club would be able to get away with being a Judge in case of Joe White v Louis Farrakhan Community Center for $100MM in damages. Another example of a double standard.
Again reminds me of the CA Judge who over turned Gay Marriage without disclosing or admitting to his bias given the fact he was Gay.
Rodney King's Spirit (e2dd8e) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:41 pmDoes anybody honestly think that an organization named “The Race” for folks with an Anglo-Saxon heritage would be allowed to exist? Honestly?
Give it a shot, Haiku. http://bpd.cdn.sos.ca.gov/ts/forms/tm-100.pdf
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:42 pmYou first, nk. And be honest about it.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:44 pmI think I’m gonna vote for someone who actually represents my political preferences. That’s not Clinton, and it’s not Trump. Wasted vote logic only works because people buy into the con like a bunch of lemmings. It’s a collective action problem that I’m not going to exacerbate by voting for a piece of sh*t candidate. And I don’t have a mean scary bossy ex-wife to resent, so there’s really no incentive whatsoever to pretend that Trump is anything but a piece of sh*t.
Leviticus (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:44 pmI mentioned the national bar association, which certainly posed a conflict as of july 2015,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:45 pmStraw man argument, counselor…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:48 pmOkay. First thing to understand is they call it their “community” rather than a blogroll.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/06/meet-the-pro-illegal-immigrant-groups-the-la-raza-lawyers-of-san-diego-consider-part-of-their-community/#ixzz4Awb98NTf
Here’s the LaRaza lawyers aligning themselves with a Council of La Raza vote. http://sdlrla.com/marriage-equality/
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:49 pmIs it? I think that’s the only real remaining argument to be had.
Leviticus (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:50 pmNo, your complaint is not really that it would not be allowed to exist — you know that dozens of neo-nazi organizations are allowed to exist. Your complaint is that it would have 100 members nationwide with 90 of them with rap sheets for dog molestation.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:53 pmThere must be a contest between ropelight, papertiger, prowler, and RKS to see who can’t be the most vile lying shrill harpy over the top liar. This thread is surreal.
JD (7fd277) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:55 pm“No, your complaint is not really that it would not be allowed to exist — you know that dozens of neo-nazi organizations are allowed to exist.”
No, you putz, groups like that are condemned and vilified and rightly so. I asked for honesty and you screwed the pooch.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:57 pmHonestly? Why would Anglo-Saxons want to do what Mexicans do? Why are your standards, that’s yours personally Haiku, the lowest common denominator? Is that honest enough for you, lowlife?
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:08 pmThis,
is an accusation.
If you find me incorrect in any particulars, present your case.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:09 pmhey now hey now
pls to not dream that it is over
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:10 pmA dozen people have called you out on your lies, papier mache tiger. It’s a well-known fact that you’re a liar. And a foul one, at that.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:15 pmI know you refuse to actually look at facts or read anything that challenges your worldview. Over and over, facts are presented, any yet the faithful hate-filled losers continue to plug their ears. Kevin M. asserts that the SDLRLA does not, in fact, have a relationship with La Raza (among other racist groups). Yet right above his post, there is a link to their own website which calls La Raza part of their “community” (as in community organizer), called for a boycott of Trump the day he announced his candidacy, and have adopted political positions based on La Raza votes. All shown by THEIR OWN WEBSITE. But you nevertrumpers can’t be bothered to actually do even the most basic research. You simply deny all facts, that way you don’t have to explain why you support such racists organizations.
So you can dress your “principaled opposition” up all you want, but everyone can see that it is nothing more than spoiled children who have never been told “No”. Well, the American electorate has told you “No!” in a decisive manner. Accept that you are a fringe group, more like John Birchers and anarchists, because that is what you are. And just as credible.
Funny note: I was watching NBC tonight and they had an interview with Bernie Sanders, that crazy old socialist. After he got done with his bizarre claims to the Democrat nomination, Lester Holt guided the interview towards Trump. Bernie is apparently a big fan of Patterico, because he was saying things that were almost verbatim lifted from here. “He is unfit to be President” “He is a hateful racist and misogynist” “Anyone who voted for him is a bigot and a racist” Just like you folks here, right down the the self-righteous finger wagging.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:17 pmI believe all men are created equal, nk. You, not so much. But you’re from Chicago, so, ’nuff said.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:18 pm“110. Why do you not understand the depth of revulsion that so many many people have for Donald Trump?”
We do understand it. We don’t care. Every candaidate that has ever run for President has had a ton of people who despised him and felt revulsion. Why do you think you are so special?
“99. Trump is running the risk of being declared ineligible for the nomination on “the good of the party” grounds. ”
Project much?
The only people who declare Trump ineligible are people who are against Trump. Quelle surprise! People who don’t like Trump … don’t like Trump.
12+ million voters preferred Trump to Cruz or any of the other 16 who ran in the primary. More people voted for him than for anyone else.
Yet you think that everybody is out of step but you.
Somehow I suspect that the RNC is not going to be taking advice from Kevin M on running the convention and selecting the Republican candidate.
“116. It’s not emotional at all. It’s a cold, logical judgement that this man should be kept as FAR EFFING AWAY from power as humanly possible.
Convince me otherwise.”
He said, emotionally. LOL
Nobody cares to convince you. You are not that special. At this point, we are just looking for the people in the trench with us to point their rifle at the enemy and not down our own dam trench.
So far, Kevin M has failed that.
As someone else said: We are in a war, pick sides.
Trump or Hillary.
You wish there was another choice? Too bad, there isn’t. These are the choices. Trump or Hillary. One of these two will be the next Presidant.
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:24 pmLook, do people want to vote for a candidate that’s a piece of sh*t (Trump, Clinton, etc), or do they want to vote for a candidate that’s not a piece of sh*t ? It’s your vote, people. and you can vote for whomever you choose! So why vote for a piece of sh*t?
Leviticus (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:28 pmI’ll tell you why: because your ex-wife was super-mean to you, and Hillary Clinton sounds kinda like your ex-wife.
But she’s not your ex-wife, folks! I promise!
Leviticus (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:30 pmThere’s always a third way. And a fourth. And a fifth. But people have to motivated by something other than fear if they’re ever going to find these alternate routes.
Leviticus (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:32 pmAs someone else said: We are in a war, pick sides.
Trump or Hillary.
Trouble is, Trump and Hillary are both on the same side. The side that wants to shred what is left of the Constitution to bits.
Previous Republican candidates at least gave lip service to the idea of respecting the Constitution. With Trump we do not get even that much.
kishnevi (4a421b) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:35 pmBecause if the Republican piece of sh*t doesn’t win the Supreme Court will be filled with Harvard Social Justice Warriors and the law will be the whim of the leftists. Is that the kind of America you want, run like a modern Liberal Arts college?
I’m beginning to think you guys are the enemy. You’re not just killing Trump’s chance, you’re killing every Republican down the ballot. It’s more than just Trump, it’s America.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:41 pmIf I am coerced to vote for a piece of sh*t like Donald Trump, then America is already dead.
Leviticus (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:42 pm
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:45 pmExactly the point I was making.
But she’s not your ex-wife, folks! I promise!
Leviticus (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:30 pm
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Maybe Leviticus’s soon to be ex-wife then! I’m cereal!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:46 pmThank you for providing Exhibit A the next time I’m asked why supporting Trump is “anti-intellectual.”
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:47 pmHaiku, please accept my apology for calling you “lowlife”. You should accept it because you deserve it. The apology. And you could always re-gift it.
This f***ing election ….
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:48 pmVaughn Walker, a gay man who had not announced himself as such, was presiding over the pivotal case dealing with the legalization of same-sex marriage. OTOH, Judge Curiel’s ethnicity has nothing to do with whether or not Donald Trump collectively cheated people out of millions of dollars.
Nice try, but not really.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:53 pmNo problem, nk. It used to be called “playin’ the dozens”.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:54 pmHoagie,
The most liberal Supreme Court, the Warren Court, which has become the byword for liberal Supreme Court, was appointed by Eisenhower. Five of them. And you know who appointed the “swing vote” 😉 in all the gay cases. Furthermore, Supreme Court appointments are not as important as The Button.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 6:56 pmRodney King’s Spirit has impressed me with his toughness in this comments thread. It takes a real man to anonymously call other people a “pussy” on the Internet. If only more men would step up like Rodney King’s Spirit did today.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:06 pmThanks for explaining that, fred-2! Most of us were unaware of this, despite your repeated (and I do mean “repeated”) efforts to make exactly the same point, again and again and again. By the way, it’s spelled “President.”
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:08 pm“It is a matter beyond any passing question of public policy. The people are angry about everything the “old politics” delivered, with their help. They want punishment, they want action. It is no elite rebellion: they want what is coming good and hard.”
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:10 pmBy the way, it’s spelled “President.”
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:08 pm
Quite right. But I will be generous and say that “Presidant” is an unconscious aorism, akin to calling synthetic crab “krab.”
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:13 pmHillary Clinton speaking. Thanks all sorts of people, praised Bernie Sanders hard fought campaign anbd now drgues into an attack on Donald Trump. There’s big cheering.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:34 pmI’m not going to go around in circles with you guys any more, even you nk. You say the Warren Court was the most liberal because you’ve been taught to say the Warren Court was the most liberal. If you believe that, fine. I believe the liberals on the court today make the liberals on the Warren Court look like rookies. And any statistics or history you put up about the previous courts means very little if anything because we have no way of knowing how bad it can get under Hillary. But I can imagine, can’t you? Stop with “the button” what is this Dr. Strangelove? What, you think any President can just reach over and hit some “button” and launch a war? You have more to fear from a subversive anti American dupe like Hillary, hell, she’d sell access to the button like she sold uranium.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:34 pmThe attacks are even mostly true, but also have strong elements of falsity. Now seguing into general campaign rhetoric – every sentence is extremely disputable.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:36 pmEarlier Donald Trump delivered a speech at Braiffcliff glf course he owns. The crowd had some response, actually occcasional comments that could have neen heard but not like Hillary’s. His delivery sounded better – it was scripted and he mostly stuck to it. He attacled Bill and Hillary Clinton for making money out of politiis. Millions. Saiid she turned the State Department into her own private hedge fund. Did favors for the Russians, Saudis and Chinese. Said her server was to hide crimes. That’s something many Republicans, or Judicial Watch, have avoided saying – the usual accusation is that it was to avoid Freedom of Information Act requests. Said he would give a speech next week about the Clintons, probably on Monday.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:39 pmThe key word there being “harassing”, which a single vaguely ominous call is not. As I explicitly noted. Did you even bother reading my comment before replying to it? How did you miss that?
In any event the beans would appear to be in your own belly, or wherever you imagined them to be in me. (I have never heard that idiom before.)
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:40 pmHillary says her mother was born on the day Congfress passed the 19th amendment. She would have bene 97 years olf on June 4.
Fact check: It’s true – the 19th amendment was sent to the states. And her mother was born on June 4, 1919 (died November 1, 2011)
Hillary is asking people to volunteer etc. I think that’s her strategy to get voters committed.
CBS says she read off a teleprompter. Neither Bill or Chelsea were on stage. But now Chelsea and her husband went on stage.
CBS says it has heard that Obama is close to endorsing her. Q. Can he do that before Bernie sanders concedes?
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:45 pm206 @prowlerguy I don’t think that thoe things you say Bernie said about Trump sounds at all like anything said over here. These are peculiarly Democratic Party attacks on Donald Trump. Everything must be racism.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:55 pmA dozen people have called you out on your lies, papier mache tiger.
Even your ad hominem finds basic math a challenge. As well as being hopelessly baffled between spitting accusations and making a case.
The difference being when I say Judge Curiel is La Raza’s lawyer, you can take that sh1t to the bank. It’s solid gold. Gonzalo brags of being the illegals advocate on his website.
Those who call me a liar. Their sh1t is in the wind. Born of bong hits.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:08 pmWhat La Raza means.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:27 pmThe most liberal Supreme Court, the Warren Court, which has become the byword for liberal Supreme Court, was appointed by Eisenhower.
The “Warren Court” was not appointed by Eisenhower. The five SC justices appointed by Eisenhower were Warren, Harlan, Stewart, Whitaker and Brennan. Harlan was a conservative. Stewart was somewhat conservative. Whitaker was a swing vote. Only Warren and Brennan were liberals. The other four Warren court justices were appointed by Democrats. Warren may have turned out more liberal than Eisenhower thought he would be.
Most of the “liberal” decisions by the Warren court aren’t seriously challenged by most conservatives today. The decision striking down school prayer is the one that is still often criticized.
Eisenhower’s SCOTUS appointments were maybe somewhat more liberal on average than other postwar Republican Presidents, except for Bush I, which was very similar, i.e. one liberal and one conservative. It was still nothing like what Clinton will do.
In any case the issues were so different then. You didn’t have the Second Amendment or free speech hanging by a thread. I don’t think Trump wants to appoint the deciding vote to destroy the Second Amendment.
Also the decisions of Democrat appointed justices were not nearly as predictable then. They didn’t vote as a block back then. Democrat Presidents appointed people who were actually sane. In fact Democrat Presidents (Kennedy, Truman, even Johnson) were sane.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:29 pmCBS estimates (before 11 pm) Hillary Clinton will win New Mexico. And she won New Jersey. Sanders won the Nreth Dakota caucus. In California the polls are still open for about three more minutes. Polls in California are now closed. No results as of 11:20.
Some superdelegates had announced their support of Hillary Clinton just the day before. Obviously so Hillary Clinton could claim she clinched the nomination the day before the June 7 voting.
On June 7, 2008 Hillary Clinton conceded (4 days after the Calif primary that year)
Bill Clinton did go on stage.
Donald Trump won all states he was on the ballot. Trump has 80% of the vote in Calif. Kasich 10%, Cruz 8% At 11:27 Trump projected the winner in California.
Sanders ahead in early voite by almost 2-1 in California 2% if the vote counted. Bernie Sanders will stay in at least till next week’s D.C. primary. He will lay off 50% to 90% of his staff.
Correction to what I wrote earlier: Sanders will go both to Vermont and DC. Campaign rally scheduled for Thursday in DC. That’s the last primary and he was going to stay in till the end.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:30 pmLet me clear it up for you, Milhouse. You’re full of merde.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:32 pmBernie Sanders to speak tonight in Santa Monica, California.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:32 pmHillary Clinton speaking. Thanks all sorts of people, praised Bernie Sanders hard fought campaign anbd now drgues into an attack on Donald Trump. There’s big cheering.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 7:34 pm
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Huh… in Brooklyn… who woulda thunk it!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:34 pmI don’t think this was a random crowd. The Clinton campaign made sure there were people there who would cheer.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:39 pm“Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.”
That is true. But try to tell most Mexican-Americans they are white, whether they like it or not. And I think we may have to go back and do some research on the early days of the “Brown” power movement, Chicanos and all that to really determine the true meaning of “La Raza”. It is “the Race”.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:42 pmExcept on every sort of US demographic form, of course, where the default racial categorization of Hispanics is “white.”
Leviticus (4d962d) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:46 pmSelective incorporation.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:48 pmSure Kevin, La Raza only means “The Race” in Spanish with the connotation that their race is THE race. Something “The Whites” rarely do anymore, outside of prison anyway because saying the whites are the race is racist. Unlike Hispanics saying their race is “The Race” which is apple pie and the American flag.
Oh and #109 Having a fever of 105 degrees for this long has probably done permanent damage
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:54 pmSanders will be speaking in about an hour – WCBS 88 AM radio.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:54 pmseriously, red queen only has that post, because she was the wife of the atty general, then governor and president, and as such is the keeper of the pelf needed for the restoration,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:57 pm#234 DRJ, with all due respect to you and none to them, that is BS.
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:00 pmJust because a bunch of lawyers and their focus groups might try to make white supremacy palatable by re-languaging it, doesn’t make it not racist. so similarly, La Raza has been a Brown Pride racist movement since the late 60’s and early 70’s and re-languaging it is the usual type of dishonesty associated with lying lawyers.
Those San Diego lawyers are lying shitheads and if people want to close their eyes and ears and believe them, fine.
That’s the one thing she won’t say – that her success is entirely due to whom she married.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:01 pmWhen Greeks and Italians talk about each other, they say: “Una faccia, una razza.” Breed, not race. We also use it for Labrador Retrievers versus German Shepherds and Thoroughbreds versus Palominos.
Or
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:03 pmBut he passed a test on integrity. Look the word up sometime.
Those are not “sides”. Those are two versions of the same corrupt, sociopathic East coast elites that have taken this country of a ride to the latrine. I’ve voted for the “lesser of two evils” every presidential election since 1988. These two are both too evil for my vote, period.
As for being in a “war”, I think the odds are increasing of such in my lifetime (was hoping not to see it) and frankly, if I pick up a literal rifle again, instead of a metaphorical one, it is certain that either of these two wannabe Caesars could be my opponent – most likely both.
SPQR (a3a747) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:03 pmwell you know who she regards as enemies, don’t you, and she has army in the bureaucracy, in the media, in the educational infrastructure, at her beck and call,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:06 pmSo what? Patterico has links to all sorts of things. So do most web sites.
No, it doesn’t. Cite one thing the Hispanic Bar Association says it stands for that is not within the realm of respectable opinion.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:20 pmThe Grand Contrarian Asshole.
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:37 pm“Partido Nacional de La Raza Unida (National United Peoples Party[1] or United Race Party[2]) was an American political party centered on Chicano nationalism. It born in the early 1970s and became prominent throughout Texas and Southern California.[3] It was started to combat growing inequality and dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party that was typically supported by Mexican-American voters”
Chicano Nationalism. Just like White Nationalism
Or
“The Spanish word raza is often translated into English as race.[10] However, the phrase La Raza has a particular history in the context of political activism in which NCLR uses it. NCLR uses “La Raza” to refer to “the people” or “the Hispanic people of the New World.”
Oh. The NCLR has decided that “Race” doesn’t mean race. It means “people” and “community”> BS
“NCLR freely acknowledges that some of the organization’s founding documents, e.g., Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, contain inappropriate rhetoric, and NCLR also acknowledges that rhetoric from some MEChA members has been extremist and inflammatory… NCLR has publicly and repeatedly disavowed this rhetoric”.[9] However, the NCLR emphasized that MEChA’s mission statement is to support Latino students at institutions of higher education. In reference to the rhetoric included in the Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, the NCLR quoted journalist Gustavo Arellano who commented in a Los Angeles Times op-ed article,“few members take these dated relics of the 1960s seriously, if they even bothered to read them
Oh, so racism has become “inappropriate rhetoric”
How many members of NCLR are or were members or supporters of MEChA?
So chicano judges who grew up in the time of MEChA agree that only a “few” members take these dated relics of the 1960’s seriously, if they even bothered to read them”
But.. of course, in an effort to rehabilitate their root source the NCLR wants t say their racist root is MEChA is just about education “..the NCLR emphasized that MEChA’s mission statement is to support Latino students at institutions of higher education” when that is the benign part of MEChA’s mission statement
MEChA is of course a movement about the Race or even euphemisms like “community” that promotes secession and reunification of Atzlan. Movimiento Estudiantil Chicanx de Aztlán
There is no way around La Raza being The Race and begs the question of why if it means the “community” why they didn’t name their group “Communidad Nacional de Hispanicos” or CNH. They freely admit that “hey we used to be racist, but we aren’t anymore”
Bull. They are Chicano nationalists who use La Raza as a slogan. La Raza is not just literally “The Race”. It carries all the weight of “The Race” when spoken and only sounds better when a smooth tongued lawyer rehabilitates it as “the people” (which is exclusively brown people that are from The Race, but just “the people” for public consumption.)
Why go to that trouble?
Just drop “La Raza”… unless you want to keep the racism.
Remember… my wife is Mexican. She thinks my take is dead on and furthermore, thinks white people dancing around this are being tools
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:40 pmbecause it’s a much more ethereal notion, promoted by vasconcelos, of a community that encompassed all of latin american, and now the entire enclave in the states, there really is little or no dissent, cesar chavez, wasn’t particular keen on them,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:43 pm“Allowed to exist”?! Who could possibly stop it?
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:55 pmnk
I do know what it means. Did you grow up with Brown Berets and Brown Pride, MEChA and the birth of the Atzlan movement? La Casa de La Raza on lower Montecito St. I did. It was race, race, race 24/7.
Please show me where the common usage of the word raza in Mexican culture is to describe “breed” and then tell me why using it as “breed” with regard to well, race, is better than racism, particularly sine interracial breeding is such a taboo amongst racists, and racial purity (maintained by breeding practices) is so prized
A white judge would have to quit any group that mirrored this rhetoric. I would not want to be tried by a black nationalist judge or a brown nationalist judge, and the entire country would be up in arms if a white nationalist judge was to try a minority.
Curiel in my view is lying
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:56 pmsomething to consider,
http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/2016/06/07/the-decline-of-requirements/?owa_medium=feed&owa_sid=
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:59 pmDefinitions of raza?
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:04 pmnoun
Cada uno de los cuatro grandes grupos étnicos en que se suele dividir la especie humana teniendo en cuenta ciertas características físicas distintivas, como el color de la piel o el cabello, que se transmiten por herencia de generación en generación; las cuatro razas existentes son blanca (caucásica), negra (negroide), amarilla (mongoloide) y cobriza.
“la constitución mexicana dice que no se debe discriminar a nadie por razón de su raza, sexo o religión .”
Gran grupo de personas pertenecientes a una de las grandes razas con características culturales propias y distintivas que perduran en la historia.
“raza gitana .”
Subcategoría taxonómica de clasificación de los seres vivos que tiene un rango inferior al de la especie y está formada por seres con caracteres de diferenciación muy secundarios que se transmiten hereditariamente.
“existen numerosas razas de perros, como el pastor alemán, el mastín, el caniche o el San Bernardo .”
Grupo de amigos o familiares.
Dicho o hecho descarado, atrevido o insolente.
“con semejante raza y semejante tontería no hay nada bueno que decir .”
Yeah, well try to get a non activist Mexican to use raza for anything but for humans.
They’ll use clase or tipo but raza is for humans and La Raza is for Mexicans and reluctantly for the broader “Hispanics” if one needs to be PC.
If you use “raza” to differentiate between a Vietnamese potbellied pig and a feral hog they’ll know what you mean, but that isn’t how it is commonly used and it can be at least a mild insult to use raza for an animal around a person who is very proud of their “race”.
And once you capitalize La Raza within a sentence and say or write “La Raza” it means nothing but The Race and its entire context shifts to race as it applies to Mexicans. Within academia and PC circles Central Americans are included in La Raza, but everyday Mexicans would be baffled and you’d probably find that even within PC circles that Central American Hispanics are a lower class of La Raza or more like idiot cousin la raza.
Academics have spent 50 years trying to make “La Raza” in Mexican culture defined as not about racism, and obviously its worked
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:26 pmBull***t. The name is not at all controversial. 100 years ago English speakers could use 50 years ago English speakers could use the word “race” without any of the baggage it’s taken on since then; one could speak of “the English race”, “the Christian race”, “a race of heroes”, “a race apart”, or even “the race of lawyers”. In most other languages that’s still the case.
Not only is that not true, but any lawyer who asked him to recuse himself on such a basis would be sanctioned.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:27 pmSo what? A blogroll is what it is. Look at all the other links there.
So? Is there a reason they shouldn’t have, if they happened to agree with what it said?
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:32 pmconsider the national bar association’s stated position, would seem a conflict of interest,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:37 pmtonterias translates there as “nonsense” but go ahead, tell a Mexican what he said was “tonterias” in front of anyone and then be ready to defend yourself… because it also translates as a form of stupidity (dumbness) in speech and idea, and Mexicans hate to be called stupid or loco. Those are fighting words. Never say dumb, stupid in any of their synonyms or forms. Say instead “that doesn’t make sense to me” and save yourself a fight over a code of honor
I will grant that tonterias is better than pendejadas, but lately I read a lot of pendejadas here… sure read the translation of pendejadas… looks fine. Now go say it to a Mexican after they speak. “ah es puras pendejadas locos” and he or she will be obligated to skin you alive and feed you to whatever clase de puerco they can find
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:44 pmWhen it goes down, lawyers will be the first to reap what they have sewn.
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:45 pmThe sound you hear – carpenters building the gallows.
Love how Pat corrects everyone’s spelling. Just can’t get enough of it!
School Marm (f96753) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:47 pmcorrect it while you can
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:50 pmPatterico, were the links above enough to indicate that the Judge’s La Raza organization considered themselves of a like mind with the larger more famous La Rasa organizations?
Ingot (1de9ec) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:51 pmSomeone who wished to remain anonymous called my husband’s family identifying themself as someone on the inside at National Review, and told them that French made the whole “ham-handed effort to intimidate” thing up due to his hatred of Trump and his desire for attention.
Oooh, can I get on the news?
School Marm (f96753) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:55 pmAbout what? Nobody asked him any questions before or since Trump began smearing him in the LHMFM.
I can tell you exactly what Trump has lied about. Why don’t you tell me what Curiel has lied about.
Although it’s almost like cheating on my part as Curiel has never said a word publicly outside his courtroom while Trump vomits a constant never-ending stream of lies in front of any microphone he can get in front of.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:56 pmBecause you say so?! It’s true that you’re an expert on the matter, so you would know, but unfortunately your word means nothing because you’re as likely to lie as tell the truth. Do the world a favor and drown yourself in the stuff.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:19 pmHe’s lying about what his affiliations really mean… not to Trump or about Trump, but in general.
He is an activist judge with an agenda. I don’t care much about the Trump case in this conversation.
The judge though has extreme affiliations and everyone is covering for him. Hence the “no questions” you refer to.
Also it isn’t a smear if its true, right?
Trump isn’t 100% right here AFAIK, but he is right that the Mexican nationalism and Atzlan beliefs of the judges affiliations are of concern.
Curiel can be mute and still be a liar. He lives a lie, and lives within the lie of a despicable affiliation masquerading as a good work.
People red, yellow, black, white with affiliations with roots like the one Curiel is part of should not be judges.. and his daily lie is that he can be fair.
Its like as if maybe there was once a group who called themselves the National Socialist Party and they became known for racism, Aryan Supremacy and a purified race.
Then years later people in the same country want to use the National Socialist Party “name”. After all say the lawyers, it just means a party of socialists within a nation… but then the people say well why not take on a different name then? And the answer is: Because of the history of the name…. oh and the history of the name and how it was and is used is way more friendly than you’ve been taught to believe. It is a great fun party with unicorns and rainbows and everyone is welcomed and loved.
But what about the history and the past?
Oh. Yeah. That. Ummm, we um, disavowed that. Disavowed vehemently. Plus raza is a word you’d use to describe the breed of these cute puppies.
Trump stepped in it, but don’t let your animosity towards him make you buy off on this La Raza deceitfulness. They are two different things.
Curiel is, in my view, being dishonest about the origins and goals of his group.
And the press is not willing to dig into the roots of his group, so we get to read dreck about how La Raza is just about community and getting kids a good education.
My high school had one of the first MEChA clubs in a California high school.
steveg (fed1c9) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:19 amLa Raza in my town came out of MEChA.
It is comedy gold to see people falling all over themselves redefining La Raza when La Raza or I guess not “The Race” but La Raza I knew, was filled with the people who also affliated with Brown Pride and the Brown Berets. Brown this and Brown that, 24/7 everything was about race and color. And by race at the time they self identified racially as Mexican. Not as Hispanic. Mexicans whose land was stolen. Mexicans who in the USA today wrap themselves in the Mexican flag to burn our flag and chant “make California Mexico again”.
Well said
papertiger (c2d6da) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:46 amdykes and conservatives a match made in taste.
mg (31009b) — 6/8/2016 @ 2:28 amTrump lies; Trumpkins lie. Frumpkins too.
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 3:29 amEarlier this morning with 90% of the cote in, Hillary Clinton was leading Bernie Sanders in California by 13 percentage points. It looks like the polls were wrong. But it is a more plausible result. It’s really hard for Sanders to win. Hillary didn’t count on winning though, because she rushed to California to campaign, and spoke on he east coast before the polls closed in California.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/8/2016 @ 6:45 amWonderful to hear about your high school and all but it is a smear if it’s not true. And it’s not true that he’s an activist judge with an agenda. I’ve looked at his rulings on the various motions in the Trump University case. There’s nothing activist about them. Lot’s of people have looked at Curiel’s rulings both in the Trump case and in other cases. As Mark Levin commented last night, “They’re not that bad.”
You think nobody is asking him questions because “everyone is covering for him.” So you’ve never heard of the code of judicial ethics? Nobody is asking him questions because he is ethically barred from responding to Trump, or from discussing the case before him.
Typical Trumpkin, you have no clue about anything you’re spouting off about. And Trump is taking total advantage of that. Like the plaintiffs in the Trump U. case you have no idea when you are being played.
Yes, you are smearing him. Nothing you’re saying is true.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:20 amSteve, the two critical dates are when the judge denied Trump’s motion for summary judgment and when he certified the class. I believe that both of those were well before The Wall was anything more than a Pink Floyd album to Trump. Which would be last August when he was looking for a hook for suckers. Do you have them handy?
nk (dbc370) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:26 am241. Actually, Hispanic is nothing more than a linguistic group, not even reaching the level of ethnicity. The countries are the ethnicity and different races are represented in each. The use of Latino is a hamhanded attempt to corral lusophone/portuguese-speaking Brazil and its Brazilians into the madness.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:36 amSteve57, I generally agree with you, and I am glad that Curiel’s rulings appear appropriate.
But La Raza is the only hate group I have every personally been forced to deal with in my mere 57 years – and the only one that has been given a patina of legitimacy it does not deserve. steveg is not wrong about La Raza.
I do not think any lawyer should be affiliated with an expressly racial identity organization with political aims. I mean, my daughters will belong to the Slovak Women’s Association (as their mom, her mom, and Great Grand mom’s) – but the SWA has no political agenda that disparages others, and argues for the creation of a greater Slovakia made up of the rust belt: Ohio, western Pennsylvania, Indiana and Michigan – so if any of them decide to go to Law School I hope you don’t think I’m two faced when I don’t ask them to renounce Slovakians. I hope you can understand the distinction between benign cultural/religious/entertainment associations and radical advocacy groups with a destructive agenda.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 9:37 amSteve Malynn, I would agree with you if someone can find a definitive affiliation between this attorney’s association and the hate group. The term La Raza existed long before the hate group adopted it and it meant a lot of different things depending on where (Spain, Latin America) and who was using it. The Dia de la Raza was celebrated in South America at least a half century before the hate group came along.
By way of historical parallel, note the Swastika on the side of this plane.
http://www.airminded.net/F4b/BOE_P12.jpg
You can’t tell because it’s a black and white photo, but the tail is painted red, white and blue. If you have good eyes you can see, on the fuselage toward the tail, that it’s a US Army plane. The photo is taken sometime in the 1930s before the Nazis gave the Swastika its bad reputation.
The Swastika is a symbol used all across the Eurasian landmass from time immemorial. You’ll find ancient iron age swords in northern Europe decorated with the Swastika. Viking era swords have been discovered dating to circa 1000 A.D. with a swastika on one side, the Christian cross on the other. Which is how it came to North America with the native Americans. It meant a lot of things; a short-hand representation of the sun, mostly it was a good luck symbol, but it never remotely meant “commit genocide” until the Nazis got a hold of it.
It’s still used a lot of places where basically they’ve been using it so long that the Nazi misuse of the symbol over a ten year or so period never eclipsed the meaning the Swastika had established over the centuries and even millennia. India would be one such place. So would Japan; the sites of Buddhist temples are marked on Japanese maps with blue Swastikas.
College students have brought back souvenirs from such places and displayed them in their dorm rooms. And have been accused of hate crimes (one kid, I forget the college, was actually a Jewish kid who had an Indian tapestry in his dorm room). Remember, college kids today see a priest in white vestments near campus and think he’s a Klansman and start tweeting out warnings. So these kids imagine the Nazis invented the Swastika instead of “culturally appropriating” it.
Similarly I am not at all convinced that this SD Hispanic lawyers’ association is at all affiliated with the National Council of La Raza or using it with the same meaning. I’m going to require evidence to make that link, just like I’d require evidence from somebody to convince me that Japanese Buddhist monks are secretly neo-Nazis.
It’s akin to how I talk about CAIR being a Muslim Brotherhood front group. Specifically a front group for the Palestinian branch of the MB, Hamas, a designated foreign terror group. I’m not just jumping to a conclusion. The evidence for this, presented by the DoJ, in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding trial is overwhelming. The fact of the matter is CAIR only exists because Hamas needed an advocacy group to represent its interests and was an attempt to create such a group that could plausibly deny such a link (the FBI blew any such plausible deniability out of the water). CAIR can try to deny this link all it wants, or it can switch tactics and say its moved beyond its roots. But as long as it’s singing the same tune as it did when they thought nobody was onto the fact that they only existed because Hamas needed them to exist, they’re still a MB/Hamas front group.
I don’t need overwhelming evidence but I will need evidence besides a similarity in name and a link from one website to another before I’d risk embarrassing myself by talking as if it’s a sure thing that the SD group is a subsidiary of the National Council of La Raza.
Getting back to Curial and his supposed radical, activist agenda, here’s what Ken White at Popehat has to say on the subject.
https://popehat.com/2016/06/01/lawsplainer-is-there-anything-unusual-about-judge-curiels-orders-in-the-trump-university-case/
There’s so much more at Popehat. The bottom line is if you’re going to call this guy an activist judge you have to have some evidence. And the evidence just isn’t their. Trump is running around whining that Curiel has been very unfair to the poor Donald. To believe that you have to be ignorant and entirely committed to remaining ignorant. Because as soon as you start looking at information that hasn’t issued entirely out of Trump’s @$$ you’ll see that there’s not truth to Trump’s claims.
I suppose it’s fortunate for Trump that the Trumpkins are fully committed to remaining ignorant and depending entirely on his @$$$ as their sole source of information.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:43 amSchool Marm, it’s endearing to see dishonest Trumpkins mimic their leader to call good people, with real integrity unlike them, “liars”.
Well, no. It’s really not endearing at all.
SPQR (a3a747) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:49 amHere’s the problem: La Raza has absolutely NOTHING to do with the case against Trump University. But for Donaldologists, it gives people a reason not to talk about how Trump either a) tried like hell to rip a lot of people off, or b) was so hands-off on a venture carrying his prestigious family name that it calls his supposedly masterful management skills into serious question.
We’re only talking about La Raza at this moment because Judge Curiel’s in the way of Trump’s attempt to convince people that everybody who says he’s not a demigod has personal malice toward him, and thus should be dismissed. It’s another example of how he manipulates the conversation, but I try my best not to be manipulated. Others go with the flow.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:51 amSteve57, you can’t be from Southern California, and pretend that La Raza means anything else than the Race.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:56 amLN Smithee – I could care less about Trump.
I want any lawyer to be too embarrassed to be affiliated with La Raza – or any organization along those lines.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:58 am@284, I’m originally from NorCal. And I’m not pretending. Like the swastika long predating the Nazis, the term La Raza existed long before the hate group National Council of La Raza came along. The term isn’t as ancient as the swastika symbol. But to a lot of people it isn’t a racist term, and they refuse to surrender it to the hate group.
And why should they?
I know what the National Council of La Raza means when they use the term. But I also know that when South American countries started calling their Columbus Day celebrations Dia de la Raza beginning around 1920 they had no idea somebody a half century later would use it that way.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:34 amIndeed. The accusation against the lawyers’ group is like accusing C S Lewis of an affiliation to CAIR because he had the Four Kings and Queens rule from Cair Paravel.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/8/2016 @ 11:57 am283. L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/8/2016 @ 10:51 am
Actually it’s something a little bit different than either or these ideas.
c) People who had run this scam before with other celebrities came to him with an offer to make him a lot of money if he let them run his school.
http://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-reed-s-real-estate-investment-blog/114332355-media-still-not-quite-getting-the-whole-story-of-trump-unviersity
The key point is:
This fraud was not invented by Donald Trump, nor limited to Trump University.
It’s a very fair assumption that Hillary Clinton and her campaign knows this, and probably knows who the key people involved were.
Now of course Donald Trump had to understand what this was, and if he didn’t he had to understand pretty soon, and he had to know that the promises in the ads were false, or no longer true.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:17 pmI read that Trump University was in business for about a year or two before it changed. It had started out as somethuing that gave online courses – maybe not such a good thing anyway, and falsely calling itself a university maybe, but nothing like what it became later. The online courses were discontinued and everything changed.
Here is a passing, almost lost, reference to that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:31 pmhttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-amazing-origins-of-the-trump-university-scam
Talking Points Memo links to:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/we-witnessed-the-birth-of-trump-university/
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:37 pmNo, sorry. That falls into b) [Trump] was so hands-off on a venture carrying his prestigious family name that it calls his supposedly masterful management skills into serious question.
Who accused him of “inventing” the scam? I’m only accusing him of running it.
How many of those key people are running for President against her? And why does what Hillary may or may not know matter since the case was pending before Trump even announced?
So, you would think that in response to such an outrage, he would protect himself by going after the people to whom he lent his brand and ended up sullying it.
Oops! He can’t do that, because it would make it look as if he was snookered on a deal. That would ruin his image! So instead, he tried use his monetary largesse as a bludgeon to shut victims the eff up.
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:51 pmhttp://www.robertabalos.com/2011/03/mike-and-irene-milin-update.html
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-09-13/business/os-trump-institute-complaints-20130913_1_trump-entrepreneur-initiative-trump-university-florida-attorney-general
This research is all disorganized. There’s also some kind of unclear connection to Mitt Romney, or he got involved with some of what was going on.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:52 pmteh weekly standard also linked to the Ars Technica artivle:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/reminder-you-havent-heard-the-last-of-trump-u./article/2002221
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/8/2016 @ 12:54 pmSteve: Waiter! There’s a gnat in my soup!
Waiter: Where? I don’t see a gnat.
Steve: Move the camel out of the way! It’s right there!
L.N. Smithee (b84cf6) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:00 pmI think identity groups are more pernicious than Trump. ymmv.
Steve Malynn (4bc33a) — 6/8/2016 @ 1:56 pm283. L.N. Smithee
293. Sammy Finkelman
296. L.N. Smithee
It’s different from b) because he probably had a very good idea that this was cheating people and that what he/they were selling was nonsense, and that some of the promises in the ads were untrue and it is different from a) in that it wasn’t Donald Trump who was trying like hell to rip people off – it was other people. He just played along. It wasn’t his main business or his field of expertise or even interest. It was just easy money for him.
If other people hadn’t come to him and said more or less:
“Hey, what you’re doing here selling videobooks for $300 by calling it a university course is peanuts – we can help you make a lot of more money if you let us handle it”
….this never would have happened.
Sammy Finkelman (be1e2f) — 6/9/2016 @ 6:15 amSammy, listen to me carefully. If somebody comes to you and tells you,
“That paycheck you’re getting is peanuts. Help me move this ten pound of cocaine, two ounces at a time, and your cut will be $1,000 per ounce”
say “No”, Sammy. A strong, loud “No”.
nk (dbc370) — 6/9/2016 @ 6:28 amI thought I would give you some background on some of the Trump supporters that have surfaced in the last month at our rural mom and pop cafe. It has been a bit surprising. 3 WWII Vets, 2 Army & 1 Navy, 1 Korean Army Vet, Vietnam Vets: 4 Marines (1 a tunnel rat), 2 Air Force & 1 Army. One guy was a Dem county supervisor. Many are first time voters.
EldonH (e0559f) — 6/9/2016 @ 4:17 pmCruz came in second to Carson, with Trump third at the caucus. This county usually goes Dem in any election. I probably would not label any of the above people pussies. My wife and I also surprised at the passion these supporters have for Trump. Semper Fi.