San Jose Aftermath: Mayor’s Office And Police Department Release Supplemental Statements Regarding Violence At Trump Rally
[guest post by Dana]
This was released by the San Jose Police Dept. on Friday:
On Thursday, June 2, 2016, approximately 300-400 protestors gathered outside a Trump rally in San Jose. The San Jose Police Department designated two locations for supporters and demonstrators. The Department had an operations plan in place in an effort to ensure the safety of everyone attending the event. However, officers were confronted by some protestors who became violent, aggressive and began to throw objects in their direction. A majority of the violence occurred at the conclusion of the event. While several physical assaults did occur, the police personnel on scene had the difficult task of weighing the need to immediately apprehend the suspect(s) against the possibility that police action involving the use of physical force under the circumstances would further *insight the crowd and produce more violent behavior. As Trump supporters were exiting the Convention Center, officers directed the crowd away from the protestors and suggested alternate routes of egress in order to prevent violence or a large-scale confrontation. This required the forming of crowd control lines of uniformed officers to act as a physical barrier to facilitate the movement of the crowd out of the area. The San Jose Police Department subsequently made four arrests for incidents including assault with a deadly weapon and unlawful assembly. A San Jose Police sergeant suffered minor injuries after a protester struck him with a metal object. The Department is currently reviewing available footage and beginning the investigative process to identify suspects who were involved in criminal behavior, particularly physical assaults, so that warrants can be sought for their arrest. The Police Department encourages any members of the public who witnessed assaults or who are possession of video footage depicting physical assaults to contact the San Jose Police Department and cooperate with the ongoing investigations.
[emphasis added] (*San Jose Inside editing error…incite)
Yes, it feels a bit familiar.
Interestingly, while the overwhelming majority of comments at the San Jose Police Dept. Facebook page condemn the mayor, police chief, and officers for their lack of response, there is barely any mention of Trump, other than indirectly. Further, a number of retired law enforcement officers have also taken to the page to condemn the lack of responsiveness, focusing primarily on the mayor and police chief.
This is the “supplemental statement” released by Mayor Sam Liccardo’s office, in which the mayor blames both the violent offenders and Trump:
I condemn all acts of violence committed against people who exercise their rights to free speech and assembly, regardless of their political views. Nothing that Donald Trump says absolves those individuals of responsibility for their violent conduct last night.
Our Police Department and District Attorney’s Office will proactively and thoroughly investigate and prosecute the offenders, and Police Chief Eddie Garcia has called for all members of our community who have video and other evidence to submit that information to the authorities so it can be used for arrest of the violent perpetrators.
That said, I think we all need to acknowledge that each of us — presidential candidates, local leaders, and individual citizens — have a responsibility for our own speech. It is regrettable that this has become a pattern for cities hosting Mr. Trump across the nation. “
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:00 pmFrom what I have read, the “incite” – “insight” mistake was made by the San Jose police department.
gahrie (12cc0f) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:20 pmSince there was no indicator in San Jose Inside’s report that the mistake was in the police department’s released statement, I went with the media outlet.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:23 pmcalifornia deserves everything that’s coming and more
but i still feel sorry for them
it’s an oligarchy what they live in
happyfeet (831175) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:25 pmFurther, I had checked the San Jose Police Dept. press release page and was unable to find this latest statement.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:27 pmRegardless of everything, Trump still has the right to speak. How the protesters react is entirely on them. The mayor and the police chief merely demonstrated just how weak and pathetic they are.
Bill H (971e5f) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:28 pmThat’s a really odd statement from someone who adopted Chicago as their home.
Bill H (971e5f) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:31 pmi have a very limited skill set to where I’m only viable in a small handful of cities
i should probably take a class or something
happyfeet (831175) — 6/5/2016 @ 1:50 pmThe Democrats’ call for “civility” is always a one way street. They demand it of Republicans but never of themselves.
Barack Obama, 2008, fundraiser, Philadelphia PA.
Barack Obama, 2008, campaign stop, Elko NV.
Barack Obama, 2010, radio interview that aired on Univision.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/5/2016 @ 2:16 pmHas Mayor Liccardo established a speech and thought czar with the authority to decide where the line is to be drawn between responsible and irresponsible speech?
Perhaps they could add a page to the city’s website where visitors can learn about the limits on free speech before arriving in San Jose.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/5/2016 @ 2:25 pmHow much easier is it to identify and prosecute those who were arrested in real time at the scene of the alleged crime?
Does anyone know if the riot was declared an unlawful assembly at any time? Were the rioters ever ordered to disperse/leave the area?
If the Sharks win the Stanley Cup, will the city trot out riot control troops?
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 6/5/2016 @ 2:33 pmhttp://www.sanjoseinside.com/2016/06/03/mayor-liccardo-san-jose-police-issue-new-statements-regarding-violence-at-donald-trump-rally/
gahrie (12cc0f) — 6/5/2016 @ 2:44 pmFirst-rate post and super-apt footnote, Dana! Thank you for your insights on how this violence has been incited.
[I mis-posted this on another thread and therefore misattributed it there to that post’s author, JVW; I beg pardon from them both.]
Beldar (fa637a) — 6/5/2016 @ 2:56 pmSheriff Eddie Garcia said he only had 250 cops to police 400 demonstrators. That’s better than one cop for every 2 demonstrators (1.6 to 2). Those are pretty good numbers. Any excuse by the Sheriff or the Mayor makes for failing to maintain order dies on the cross of overwhelming police presence.
Violent demonstrators could have easily been kept at bay, arrested, dispersed, or otherwise discouraged from attacking American voters attending a political rally. This was an assault on the right to peacefully assemble and it was allowed to happen as more than adequate police officers stood by watching violent assaults and did very little if anything to protect the victims.
The blame for this outrage falls squarely on the Mayor and the Chief of Police.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/5/2016 @ 2:57 pmThe blame falls on the protesters. The police could have done a better job but it will help if the police follow up on identifying and arresting protesters who broke the law.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/5/2016 @ 3:06 pmAmerica is sick in the head.
Throwing eggs at young ladies, or throwing sucker punches at innocent men guilty of no more than attending a poltical rally, is just plain sick, sick, sick.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 6/5/2016 @ 3:09 pm“insight” is included in a whole body of text that’s cut and pasted.
Mayor Liccardo didn’t anyone to get the wrong idea – that he might agree with anything Donald Trump said.
The way he put things, it’s really a lie what he said. For what the people who came there to assault people were combatting was not anything Donald Trump said, but core parts of Donald Trump’s political platform, if it was even that. It’s more really that he’s the bogeyman, and they would like everybody to think so too, and the proof that he’s the bogeyman is the strength of their feelings and their willingness to step outside the bounds of civil order.
It wasn’t anything that Donald Trump said in San Jose – which they didn’t listen to anyway – but that he dared to come there. But the mayor didn’t want to say that. He could have said, if that’s what he wanted to say, that when someone is in favor of very controversial things they need to be careful where they go and where they hold rallies. He really should have said nothing of he sort.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/5/2016 @ 3:17 pmCS 16
mg (b08c57) — 6/5/2016 @ 3:46 pmYes indeed.
Next time I’m in Dana point can I buy you a meal? Looking like late November for my next visit to see my youngest daughter.
That Mayor and police chief should be embarrassed. And ashamed.
JD (cad62d) — 6/5/2016 @ 4:02 pmThe SJ Police Dept. think it was necessary to assault the Trump supporters to save them.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/5/2016 @ 4:26 pmRetired law enforcement folks who are weighing in have opinions that should carry extra weight in my mind. I’ve been wondering what Jack Dunphy would have to say about all of this.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/5/2016 @ 4:31 pmThe mayor may be subject to recall. I hope that is the case, he’s a cur.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/5/2016 @ 4:37 pmSCOTT ADAMS: I’m Endorsing Hillary Because I Don’t Want To Be Killed.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145456082991/my-endorsement-for-president-of-the-united-states
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/5/2016 @ 4:50 pmWon’t happen, Herr Oberst. He’s the mayor of a town that leans so far left, it’s almost on it’s side. Mayor McCheese is playing to his base. There will be no penalty, and the town loves it. Just another California town that has zero idea of the problem that can be used against them some day.
Bill H (971e5f) — 6/5/2016 @ 4:50 pmThe blame falls on the protesters. The police could have done a better job but it will help if the police follow up on identifying and arresting protesters who broke the law.
Of course the rioters are to blame. However, I’ve yet to read any MSM reports that do just that. They couple that with assigning blame to Trump as well, as did Bernie and Hillary.
On the FB page, the police dept. is requesting any videos of violence captured by attendees be sent to them for investigation. From what I saw, there are a lot of them currently online.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/5/2016 @ 5:00 pm19. JD (cad62d) — 6/5/2016 @ 4:02 pm
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/5/2016 @ 5:02 pmWhat I wrote looks like it’s being quoted and the quote got lost.
It’s:
They’re more worried about the possibility of being seen as soft on Trump. But they also don’t want to be in favor of riots. That gets them in trouble somewhere else. It’s maybe aconcerted political strategy to boycott Trump. (and make him out to bbe worse than he is) They would somehow want permission to assemble denied. But there’s no legal grounds to stand on for that.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/5/2016 @ 5:06 pmoccam’s razor, often is the easier explanation,
http://larazaroundtable.org/san-jose-police-chief-eddie-garcia-sworn/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 5:39 pm“When a mayor condones political violence, he fits the description of fascism. Legal remedies should be available even in the kangaroo courts of California, where judges ruled that wearing an American flag on Cinco de Mayo is a crime…
Conventional wisdom is this will help Trump. I don’t know about that. The last time this happened — in 1968 — we had a press that was patriotic and decent. World War II and Korean War veterans dominated the ranks of the ink-stained wretches of the Fourth Estate.
Now we have a bunch of Social Justice Warriors with bylines. Their initial shock likely will give way to sympathy for the devils waving Mexican flags on American soil.
The Democratic Party cannot argue ideas, integrity, or competence this year. They plan is intimidation and violence this year. Until the party’s leader, Barack Obama, stands up and condemns this violence unequivocally, the only logical conclusion is he supports the rioters as he travels safely behind an armada of black SUVs filled with squads of Praetorian guards.”
— Don Surber
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/5/2016 @ 6:22 pmDana,
My comment wasn’t a response to your post. It was a response to ropelight’s comment that “The blame for this outrage falls squarely on the Mayor and the Chief of Police.”
I agree with your comparison of this event and the protests in Baltimore, where as I recall the City officials told the police to stand down. The police are in a hard situation in protests. The point of political rallies and protests is speech, but it’s hard for the police to anticipate and respond to the moment when speech transitions into criminal actions. I sympathize with the police in red and blue cities that have to deal with political events like this. We value free speech but that would be a hollow value in a police state.
As for the videos of what happened, online videos may be good investigative resources but they are of litle use for the purpose of criminal charges unless they are authenticated. That means the person who took the video must testify they took the video and it is an accurate visual recording of happened at a particular day and time. That’s why the police want people to come forward with videos, and why I’m hopeful the police will be aggressive in pursuing criminal charges.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/5/2016 @ 6:31 pmI agree, DRJ.
Given the violence already seen directed at Trump supporters outside these rallies, it would seem there would be a far more increased – and proactive police presence. It would be insightful to hear from police officers. As I stated above, the retired ones who left comments on FB are nothing less than outraged at the mayor and chief’s inaction.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/5/2016 @ 6:46 pmThe violence directed at Trump supporters at his rallies is a physical expression of the over-the-top written violence we’ve seen here everyday for months. Just sayin’
ropelight (596f46) — 6/5/2016 @ 8:43 pmLet’s get this straight.
The Mayor, who is a Superdelegate for Trump’s probable opponent, ordered his police chief to keep the cops out of it, as the Führer ordered his police minister not to interfere with KristallNacht.
The Police Chief, who is a Made Guy in the anti-American Mexican gang La Raza, clicked his heels and ordered his police to stay out of it, as Police Minister Göring ordered his police not to interfere with KristallNacht.
The rank and file cops, whose union is already contributing to Hillary! and other Democrats of their choice, clicked their heels and then stood by laughing and joking with the rioters while they assaulted mere citizens who had the temerity to stand athwart the juggernaut of The Party.
I dunno what the payroll patriots they call cops in San Jose do, but it’s not “law enforcement.”
They want La Raza? Let’s cede the whole damned state to Mexico. It would make America richer and Mexico poorer in one shot. And Mexican taxpayers have centuries of experience at supporting an incompetent and corrupt ruling class, and incompetent and corrupt cops. It would be a match made, not in heaven, but in that Other Place, which for the sake of argument we can call California.
Kevin R.C. O'Brien (e2d5eb) — 6/5/2016 @ 8:45 pm1984 is not supposed to be a how to manual,
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/31/calif-outlaw-undercover-film-planned-parenthood/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:04 pmquelle surprise,
“Innovative regions of the world depend on ambitious, creative people who come from other parts of the world to contribute to our economy,” said Liccardo, a former prosecutor whose city is in the heart of Silicon Valley. “I think cities that become viewed as hostile toward immigrants will ultimately be forced to rethink their approach.” (Alan Gomez, “States are cracking down on sanctuary cities,” Associated Press, October 15, 2015).
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:06 pmand even earlier,
“The sole priority for the police in San Jose is the safety of its residents, and when people feel reluctant to call 911, we’re all made less safe,” said San Jose Councilman Sam Liccardo, who authored a resolution adopted by the city affirming that otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants need not be afraid of going to the police. (Juliana Barbassa, “Legal action demands San Jose police turn in illegal immigrants,” The Associated Press, April 6, 2007).
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:08 pmHorses***! To 32 and 33. The Badgerhead is looking for his Horst Wessel. He incites violent protests to get sympathy. He could not get care less who gets hurt — whether it is the protesters or his hydrocephalics — as long as the media covers it.
“Written violence”! Really? Who do you think you’re talking to? Tumblerinas at Mizzou?
nk (dbc370) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:08 pmWait, what is the downside if the Republican and Democrat scum start killing each other in the streets? That is literally the only WIN/WIN political scenario for the actual people of this country.
waitwhat? (a42669) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:11 pmSTEVEN HAYWARD ON MEDIA COGNITIVE DISSONANCE:
“As Glenn Reynolds likes to say, the mainstream media are Democrats with bylines, whose personal sympathies all lie with Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.
True, but the major media are also quickly dying. The head of CBS News remarked quite candidly a few months ago that Donald Trump was great for ratings, and therefore good for the bottom line at money-losing news divisions.
Which raises the following question: if you think purely in terms of professional self-interest, who would most reporters want to win in November?
Hint: Who would make for the best copy and on-air time for the next four years—boring Hillary, or The Donald?
This is why I counterintuitively think the media actually want Trump to win, and may well slant their coverage that way at the margin. Sure, most reporters are partisan liberals, but most of them would like to keep their jobs, too. A key clue will be whether the media cut Hillary any slack over the email scandal when the FBI report is finally released.”
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/235522-2/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:11 pm37… More proof – as if it was needed – of why they call Chicago “the Windy City”.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:15 pmperhaps, covering red queen, is like watching paint dry, but you can see clearly, liccardo has an animus toward enforcement of immigration laws, and those who support same,
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:15 pmropelight,
What is “written violence”? Disagreements? Criticism? Rebukes? Vigorous debate? Or maybe it’s expressed reactions, like disgust, exasperation, frustration, or even anger? What exactly? Because I would like to believe that you are not referring to any of the above which have certainly permeated these pages during this election season. The above being the very things that lovers of free speech want to see in the public square. The above being the very things whose existence lovers of free speech work to guard. No matter who is on the receiving end.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:22 pm40… More proof — as if it was ever needed — that one time the country tilted and all the fruits and nuts rolled to California.
nk (dbc370) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:31 pmsurprise, surprise,
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/06/04/criminal-immigrants-reoffend-higher-rates-than-ice-has-suggested/l0OpCWfTdCuTNLIAfxApAO/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter
narciso (732bc0) — 6/5/2016 @ 10:25 pmnarciso,
mg (31009b) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:12 amMy experience in the commonwealth – Most Massholes hate America.
#42, DRJ, thank you for your question. I wanted to comment on the violence in San Jose and point out it has antecedents here in the extreme language employed by too many commenters in opposition to both Donald Trump and those (like me) impolitic enough to swim against the prevailing tide.
As for the term itself: Written violence. Initially I wrote verbal violence but since we really don’t talk viva voce, we write our comments, and since I wanted to be accurate, both for the sake of clarity and to avoid the criticism which I knew would come, I abandoned verbal in favor of written. It seemed the better choice.
However, the term also included the word violence. And since I was relating physical violence in San Jose with extremely ugly language here (and elsewhere) and suggesting that written/verbal component both precedes and forecasts actual physical violence, that the comparison was valid.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:18 amPut it another way, how safe do you think goo delegates will be in cleveland?
narciso (732bc0) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:21 amAbout as safe as Bibi Netanyahu on a Gaza Strip beach.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:28 amIt’s a compliment that ropelight can’t tell the difference between me and Dana.
It’s revealing that ropelight thinks people who criticize Trump are dangerous but Trump’s rhetoric isn’t.
It’s shocking that ropelight can’t tell the difference between violence and words.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:35 amI wanted to comment on the violence in San Jose and point out it has antecedents here in the extreme language employed by too many commenters in opposition to both Donald Trump and those (like me) impolitic enough to swim against the prevailing tide.
As for the term itself: Written violence. Initially I wrote verbal violence but since we really don’t talk viva voce, we write our comments, and since I wanted to be accurate, both for the sake of clarity and to avoid the criticism which I knew would come, I abandoned verbal in favor of written. It seemed the better choice.
However, the term also included the word violence. And since I was relating physical violence in San Jose with extremely ugly language here (and elsewhere) and suggesting that written/verbal component both precedes and forecasts actual physical violence, that the comparison was valid.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:18 am
ropelight,
I’m going to need specific examples because from what I recall reading, none of it comes near the incendiary rhetoric of Trump. Criticizing a candidate is one thing, but being a candidate who wants to lead the nation – and employs inflammatory rhetoric to stoke the fires of anger – is another thing entirely.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:53 amropelight is a Yale English major? Who would have thought it?
nk (dbc370) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:02 amHow awful. You and Mr. Trump really need to work on outlawing the sort of “written violence” that you have suffered from here.
Heh. Can I expect a petition now, ropelight? Perhaps you and papertiger will do a sit-in?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:14 amWhy isn’t there a decent safe space provided on this blog? How difficult would it be to add a Starbucks, pad a few walls and ordain a censor?
Rick Ballard (5b8f0b) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:19 amHillary Clinton’s brother-in-law is sitting in a jail cell after getting busted for DUI in Southern California … just 2 days before the crucial CA primary vote.
Law enforcement sources tell TMZ … Roger Clinton was arrested Sunday just after 8 PM in Redondo Beach. He was booked for driving under the influence, and we’re told he refused blood alcohol testing.
Roger remains in police custody. His bail is set at $15,000.
Clinton was also arrested for DUI in 2001. That same year, President Clinton infamously pardoned his half-brother for a drug charge.
Unless he bails out before Tuesday … there goes one vote for Hillary.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:19 amSorry, I did not give credit to TMZ for #54. 6/6/2016 6:18 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:21 amActually, my undergraduate degree is in Cultural Anthropology, although both my girlfriend and most of my college friends where English lit grad students. But, that’s long ago and far behind me now.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:23 amThey like Trump
“Because he pushes the Overton window”.
“Because he is not PC.”
“Because he fights.”
Then a bunch of pachucos show them what that really means. And all of a sudden it’s:
nk (dbc370) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:24 am“We didn’t mean push the window that far.”
“We didn’t mean that much not PC.”
“We didn’t mean fight like that.”
“We only meant “Lyin’ Ted” and “Crooked Hillary” and “loser who was captured” and “fat pig” and “blood coming out of her whatever” and “they should have roughed him up” and “I’ll pay the legal fees of the Trumpkins who sucker-punched the protesters in police custody”, [ad nauseum]. You know, only the things a duckfaced old fruit can get away with saying.”
Lyin Donald or, in ropelight’s world, Trump getting smeared with
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:28 amwritten violencethe truth.Specifics, please, ropelight.
Dana (cff180) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:34 amropelight:
Let me get this straight. Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric can never have negative consequences and any protesters who resort to violence are totally to blame. But any criticism of Trump, even at an online blog, can be expected to lead to and cause violence.
With reasoning like that, I believe you did go to Yale.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:36 amNot Yale, The University of California, Santa Barbara.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:50 am57. “Because he pushes the Overton window”.
“Because he is not PC.”
The aim of the protesters is to push him out of the Overton window, or shift the Overton window away from him so he’s not facing it any more, and make Political Correctness great again.
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:52 amNot these protesters at San Jose, Sammy. These protesters really do know what “hit back twice as hard” means. They actually do bring actual guns to actual knife fights. And without knowing or caring what the Second Amendment is, too.
Cruz must have been a big disappointment to them — as a fellow Hispanic — when he did not deck the pendejo who called him “Lyin’ Ted” to his face in Indiana.
nk (dbc370) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:15 amNK, a supposed Texan should have reached somewhere hidden and pulled out his piece on Mr. Oakleys.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:47 amDana, what are you asking of me?
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:48 amRopelight is pushing a version of policing speech like the authoritarian leftists did when they tried, rather successfully, to blame the Giffords shooting on Palin. It was noxious then, and even more noxious now that he is doing it to those that dare to criticize his idol. Eff off, asshat.
JD (7fd277) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:51 amDana’s request was clear. She asked for specific examples of “the extreme language employed by too many commenters in opposition to both Donald Trump and those (like me) impolitic enough to swim against the prevailing tide” that you call written violence.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:53 amRick Ballard (5b8f0b) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:19 am
There is a safe place on this blog. It is called moderation. Many have been served. Yes, safe – for us.
felipe (429749) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:55 amBonus points for examples of “verbal/written violence” by Trump himself.
If you aren’t so inclined, then I’m confident we can find examples that show Trump has said something similar to anything you produce.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:59 amJD, I’m doing no such thing. I’m attempting to hold the hate mongers’ feet to the fire. You and others here are guilty of obnoxious assaults on me, the tiger, happyfeet, and Hoagie (pardon me if I’ve left out anyone). The level of your hatred is recorded in comments over the last few months. Anyone who wants to examine the record has only to look.
You have behaved in disgraceful ways and now you want to duck the consequences. No way.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:04 amRopelight: I wanted to comment on the violence in San Jose and point out it has antecedents here in the extreme language employed by too many commenters in opposition to both Donald Trump and those (like me) impolitic enough to swim against the prevailing tide.
Dana: I’m going to need specific examples because from what I recall reading, none of it comes near the incendiary rhetoric of Trump.
Ropelight: Dana, what are you asking of me?
Just trying to be helpful.
felipe (429749) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:08 am“extreme language”
Emphasis added by Dana.
felipe (429749) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:11 amI heard some anecdotal reports that the event attendees were not allowed to use the building exit adjacent to the parking structure but were funneled out the opposite side of the building forcing them to run a guantlet of protesters to get to their cars. Anyone else hear anything that might confirm/refute this?
Mike S. (a67dba) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:23 amropelight’s being repressed again!
Hey everybody, come see the written violence inherent in the system!
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:26 am73. The statement by the police claims that they were not allowed to use a certain building exit in order not to run into the protesters.
This sounds good, but makes no mention of trnsportation. Maybe many still needed to run the gauntlet to get to their cars. The car(s) might have been parked near the exit they originally intended to use. This is California, and nobody arrived there by taxi, bus or train.
If this is true, who devised these tactics?
Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:31 amThe interesting thing is liccardo’s long standing opposition to immigration enforcement.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:32 amRopelight – vehement disagreement with your devotion to a noxious candidate does not equal violence. Never advocated. You are lying. Making shlt up.
JD (e261ac) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:34 amJD, you own you record.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:39 amWe’ve dialed to eleventy with the ton ton macoute levandowski do we Agree?
narciso (732bc0) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:39 amropelight, in my opinion, you are a ridiculous jackass who fantasizes that Trump will confiscate a gas station from its Muslim owners (whom he deports) and give it to you. Having said that, I consider that I am being very charitable to you and that your depravity likely runs much deeper. Also, you are liar just like the dickless short-fingered vulgarian you worship. Good day, sir!
nk (dbc370) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:47 amropelight:
Once again, ropelight suggests comments on this blog have caused behavioral consequences in society.
Did you learn that in cultural anthropology, ropelight? If so, what did you learn about the responsibility of leaders and about how individuals understand their own situations and explain their own actions?
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 9:56 amI think ropelight is changing the subject so he doesn’t have to respond to Dana’s request.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:01 amPlease people… can’t we all just get along!?!?
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:09 amOh, teh humanity…
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:09 amYes, ropelight, JD owns his record. And his record is that of NOT calling for violence against lying Trump worshipers like yourself. And Trump owns his record of ACTUALLY calling for violence against those who oppose him.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:10 amI think ropelight is a lying sack of trump and all this is in same vein as Cruz’s father being complicit in the assassination of JFK or Cruz fooling around with strange women.
nk (dbc370) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:10 amAnd I agree with nk and DRJ, the combination of their statements being ropelight is a lying piece of fecal matter who is changing subjects to avoid answering the good looking Dana.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:11 amHaiku,
My impression is that, to you, getting along means everyone should support Trump. Is that correct?
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:21 amnk, et al, I’m well familiar with your opinions and I reject them out of hand. You can’t escape your past hateful comments and personal attacks on Trump and his few supporters here. You can run but you can’t hide.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:21 amOr if we can’t support Trump, then we should shut up?
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:21 amSee? He won’t answer Dana.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:22 amRopelight – this used to be beneath you. Now you are blaming criticism of Trump by conservatives for violence committed against Trump supporters by leftists. It’s surreal that you can’t see how this mirrors Giffords/Palin and how the left tries to stamp down legit criticism. Enjoy your authoritarian.
JD (7fd277) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:22 amIt’s raining now in SW Florida. I’m going to take a nap. I’ll be back.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:23 amActually 5 years ago, the punk titus was content with hurling insults, now they feel emboldened enough to attack supporters as in Albuquerque and San Jose.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:26 amWho’s running? Who’s hiding? I, nk, DETEST Trump and his supporters as much as I detest skunks with rabies and I want the whole world to know it.
nk (dbc370) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:26 amhave a nice nap
the tropical spring rains have wandered ashore again
stirring dull roots
i love Mr. Trump
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:30 amAgain, I’m with nk and DRJ, the combination of which is I’m not running and hiding but ropelight most definitely is.
And I don’t like being with nk too much, because he says too many things that get my Irish up. And I blame ropelight for forcing me to be on the same team as nk.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:32 amDo you see what you are supporting, Haiku?
Hillary is horrible but so is Trump. They are alike and the question we need to ask is, Who will be easier to recover from? I think we can recover from Hillary easier than Trump. Why? Because the GOP has shown it will support whatever Trump does and so will the media, if it makes them money. All Trump has to do is be willing to cave on some issues — and he’s already doing that, isn’t he?
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:37 amDRJ – ropelight’ nonsense is the vision of the GOP that they have
JD (e261ac) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:38 amHillary is horrible but so is Trump
you are do moral equivalency
this is no good
one is evil and smelly (pantsuit)
the other is merely flawed (Mr. Trump) while at the same time being a super-nice, funtastic, and interesting person who’s done a lot with his life
raised great kids
built businesses and condos
done so much for out veterans
and who’s come to epitomize the best of America
advantage: Mr. The Donald
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 11:07 amdone so much for *our* veterans i mean
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 11:08 amthis is the model, they chose to emulate,
http://babalublog.com/2016/06/05/baltimore-mayor-stephanie-rawlings-blake-and-new-orleans-mayor-mitch-landrieu-visit-cuba-for-advice-on-economic-development/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/6/2016 @ 11:10 amdone so much for *our* veterans i mean
True. He kept their wives from being lonely while they were fighting in Vietnam.
nk (dbc370) — 6/6/2016 @ 11:37 amhe’s a giver
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 11:39 amMy daughter, a vet who gained Soldier of the Month and Soldier of the Quarter honors while deployed to Iraq, is a #NeverTrump #NeverHillary woman. She’s smarter and wiser than the Trump worshipers.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/6/2016 @ 11:43 amBoth eyes open, DRJ. If it comes down to it.
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 6/6/2016 @ 11:44 amHaiku,
My impression is that, to you, getting along means everyone should support Trump. Is that correct?
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 10:21 am
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Eff, no. It means we should stop assuming each of us have bad motivation and a malevolent nature. Support who you want, when you want, if you want, how you want.
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 6/6/2016 @ 1:30 pmColonel – we don’t have to assume that ropelight has bad motivation, and a malevolent nature. Just look at what he accused us of just in this thread.
JD (a17707) — 6/6/2016 @ 2:17 pmI skip over his stuff anymore, JD, but I hear ya. Way too much invective going on, though. I know I need to cool my jets too.
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 6/6/2016 @ 2:35 pmI think he may spend too much time out in the Sun, wrestling ‘gators down there in Fla…
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 6/6/2016 @ 2:36 pmWords come before actions, and the words used here to smear Trump and his supporters have contributed to a climate of hatred and violence. You reap what you sow and if you sow the seeds of hatred you’ll reap the grapes of wrath.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 3:55 pmLighten up, Francis…
Colonel Haiku (40880a) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:01 pmTrump has advocated violence against his detractors and an oath of allegiance from his worshipers.
We have not advocated violence against Trump or the Trump humpers.
Ropelight sides with the one who advocated violence and against the ones who have not.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:26 pmMr. Trump is gentle as a whisper what would not stir a kitten’s whisker
This is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis.
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:38 pmSo ropelight is the thought police now. And the violent speech police. Because opposition to Trump by conservatives on a blog is a natural step towards leftists getting violent against Trump supporters in San Jose and elsewhere. I’m sure those thugs read here and thought man, I need to attack someone.
JD (2e3880) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:43 pm“Mr. Trump is gentle as a whisper what would not stir a kitten’s whisker”
That may be true of himself, he wouldn’t do it himself. He just calls on others to do it for him.
JD (2e3880) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:44 pmi think that’s an unkind characterization of a good man what’s trying very hard to row against the pc tide what’s carrying us all faster and faster towards the falls
where we’ll be torn asunder upon the razor-topped rocks
all i can do anymore is pray
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:49 pmI see the TJW (Trump Justice Warrior) has woken up from nappy time and has returned to equate all the written microaggressions and trigger words he’s so bravely suffered in the comment threads with actual violence.
You Trumpkins are really nothing more than some nightmare political version of the campus crybullies.
Why are we supposed to like Trump? He’s a fighter.
And what does he fight for! People to give him constant affirmation and positive attention.
This judge has been very mean to me so I’m going to talk about his Mexican family.
Gov. Susanna Martinez was not nice to me so I’m going to tell a few lies about what a bad job she’s doing in New Mexico.
If the RNC is nice to me I won’t run third party.
The media has been very unfair to me. Very unfair. So I’m going to call that guy from ABC a sleaze.
ropelight, pointing to San Jose, “Now do you meanies see what I have to put up with in these comments?!?!
Oh, yeah. You and your Messiah are real fighters, ropelight/TJW.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:49 pmi think that’s an unkind characterization of a very well-intentioned man what’s trying very hard to row against the pc tide what’s carrying us all faster and faster towards the falls
where we’ll be torn asunder upon the razor-topped rocks
all i can do anymore is pray
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 4:49 pmBlessed are the peace makers, TJW. Like your precious, The Donald.
Donald Trump, talking about protesters, Las Vegas, 22 Feb 2016
You’re really pathetic ropelight. You’re saying exactly what the leftists have been saying about your fetish-god for months. That’s what I meant when I said Trump has turned you all into leftists. 19y.o. Ivy League leftists who don’t think but emote, and it didn’t take very long did it? Words don’t lead to violence unless you’ve been infantilized to such a degree you’ve been taught every phobia you’ve had is real, then have been sensitized and conditioned to amplify that phobia (not desensitized and deconditioned as if you were trying to confront and get over a phobia) to the point where you have a very real mental illness, and now you really can’t control your responses if you are “triggered.”
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:10 pmThought Police? Really? Thought Police? I’ve criticized your words JD, not your thoughts, your words. That’s an example of exactly that type of over-the-top insanity I’m calling you (and others of the same ilk) out on. Demonizing me isn’t going to restore your reputation.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:21 pmNext up: One in four Trump supporters are the victims of written sexual assault in blog comment threads.
nk (dbc370) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:23 pmSteve, I won’t be responding to your stupid nonsense. You’ve make yourself ridiculous.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:25 pmFollowed by
In other words, when faced with the absolute fact that Trump approves of and condones violence against those who oppose him, Brave Sir Ropelight runs away.
The liar Ropelight, who worships the violence-approving Trump, thinks any reasonable person would fret over what the liar Ropelight thinks of him. Isn’t that cute?
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:34 pmNow that we know we have this power, JD, what should we do with it first? I mean, once we learn to control and direct “The Force.”
Sure, obviously we of the evil white heteronormative xtofascist males are going to focus on our traditional core competencies of rape culture, oppressing “teh other,” exploiting the Third world, and employing Satyrs armed with lead and nail tipped cat-o-nine tails to brutally flog and drive out the transgendered who use the wrong bathroom depending on what is or is not swinging between their legs. But in what order?
Think about it, as it will be the topic of the next secret meeting of the patriarchy on Saturday.
And remember we’ll be getting together in the Armada Lounge as the Colonizers & Conquistadors meeting room is still under renovation.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:34 pmYou spelled “Making fun of” wrong.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:37 pmHere is a thought, and it is one I think is very illustrative:
What I fear is that, for some people, there is not a single example.
Simon Jester (471f83) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:05 pmon a positive note,
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-set-to-approve-moon-mission-by-commercial-space-venture-1465166277?mod=pls_whats_news_us_business_f
d.d. harriman and the luna federation may be closer than we thought.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:12 pmDon’t I wish narciso. Don’t I wish.
Simon Jester (471f83) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:18 pm“120. …Demonizing me isn’t going to restore your reputation.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/6/2016 @ 5:21 pm
You spelled “Making fun of” wrong.”
Preach. Spot on.
How is thought police wrong, in any way, ropelight? You are accusing us of use violent thoughts as expressed.by out disagreement via words, to have instigated violence against others. I know you need a safe space with a bla kid so you don’t hear violent thoughts that disturb your precious worldview, but denying reality won’t make that happen. Own what you openly advocate for. Hate. Smears. Lies. Microaggressions. Victims of violent speech. It is to laugh.
JD (2e3880) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:22 pmEff, no. It means we should stop assuming each of us have bad motivation and a malevolent nature. Support who you want, when you want, if you want, how you want.
Colonel, thank you for that moment of sanity.
kishnevi (a1a81b) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:25 pmTHERE ARE NO VICTIMS IN THIS CLASSROOM!!
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:26 pm— Said a former Marine to a class full of inner-city students.
oh my goodness so this is how i did my butternut squash ravioli
first of all this is my brand i like
i suggest you like it too
so i just cook it or a few minutes in water, and all i add to the water is a lil salt and some seasoned italian diced tomatoes from the can (add the whole can)
this is so simple
then in a saucepan gently melt a lil butter and cut it with some molasses and a lil olive oil
throw the ravioli (and tomatoes) into the colander, then throw it back into a pot with the molasses butter (less is more) and toss it
garnish it with innocuous greens – i use chipper choppered collard greens cause they’re handy (we’re just going for color here mostly, but collard greens offer a nicely semi-bitter counterpoint)
this pairs really well with a chicken breast or sammins or steamed roughy or a pork chop
when i do it i don’t do a vegetable cause of the squash is there and we need to be mindful of our portions cause of how we added butter, don’t we
yes.
yes we do
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:35 pmso i just cook it *for* a few minutes in water i mean
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:35 pmEnjoy it while you can, kishnevi. I’ll soon be off the rails!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:36 pmropelight,
As a reminder:
ropelight,
What is “written violence”? Disagreements? Criticism? Rebukes? Vigorous debate? Or maybe it’s expressed reactions, like disgust, exasperation, frustration, or even anger? What exactly? Because I would like to believe that you are not referring to any of the above which have certainly permeated these pages during this election season. The above being the very things that lovers of free speech want to see in the public square. The above being the very things whose existence lovers of free speech work to guard. No matter who is on the receiving end.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/5/2016 @ 9:22 pm
And since I was unable to comment further today, this further explained: Dana’s request was clear. She asked for specific examples of “the extreme language employed by too many commenters in opposition to both Donald Trump and those (like me) impolitic enough to swim against the prevailing tide” that you call written violence.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/6/2016 @ 8:53 am
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/6/2016 @ 6:51 pmThe reason I am asking for specifics is because you have essentially impugned people’s reputations here by suggesting that disagreeing with you personally equals “written violence,” and that there is only an acceptable way to think/write. But since you didn’t really define your terms, I am asking for specifics. Moreover, does disagreeing with you re Trump make it “written violence”? Or are you talking about something completely different, like personal insults? I would like to know because I have disagreed with you extensively re Trump as have many here. I don’t believe my disagreements, strong though they may have been, fall into any category other than disagreements. But if they fall into this new-to-me unacceptable code of conduct referred to as “written violence,” I should be informed thus. And then I can make the determination of whether I want to continue any debate or discussion with you.
Seems to me that “written violence” is akin to “hate speech” in that is whatever the aggrieved victim says it is. Sounds a bit leftist to me but a lot has sounded a bit leftist to me around here lately.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:03 pmi like dreamin cause dreamin can make you mine
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:04 pmI’ll try making that for my wife when we get back, happyfeet.
mg (31009b) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:10 pmThanks.
there’s no reason to do this, unless you want people maimed and killed,
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/06/whoa-federal-judge-orders-unredacted-release-of-grand-jury-witness-testimony-including-names-in-michael-brown-case/
narciso (732bc0) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:10 pmit’s super easy i promise
the thing is it says you can only freeze them for 30 days and me, I try to be very mindful of that
it gives my life some structure
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:28 pmSounds a bit leftist to me
Sounds very leftist to me.
May I ask every person here to take a few deep breaths, and remind themself that whatever our views on Trump’s fitness for office, we all do share a basic view of what we want for this country, and it is very different from that espoused by the real leftists?
kishnevi (a1a81b) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:30 pmspeaking of,
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/06/john-oliver-medical-debt-forgiveness-last-week-tonight
narciso (732bc0) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:32 pmMr. Colin is in the gulf now
take me down to the panama city where the grass is green and the girls is pretty
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:33 pmno that’s ok you don’t have to
i have responsibilities
happyfeet (831175) — 6/6/2016 @ 7:37 pmSeems to me that “written violence” would be a good name for a cocktail.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:15 amAre you sure we all share a basic view of what we want for for this country? Because I think I’m the only one who comments here who wants to install a auto-flush valve on it like the commodes in Wal-Mart. Only bigger, of course.
It’s our best, really our only hope. But most people haven’t come around yet.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:22 am#129, Dana and DRJ, I already explained the provenance of Written Violence at #46 in response to your comment at $42:
Next, DRJ took me to task at #49 for misaddressing my comment to her instead of you, Dana, and then threw in a few cheap shots of her own. Here’s an example from her comment at #49:
Which, of course, struck me as rather odd considering that she seemed fully aware that violent speech often translated into physical violence in her comment at #30: (emphasis added)
PS: I won’t be providing you with examples of the written violence/hate speech you requested. It would be a tedious task to go back over months of comments only to have the results fall of deaf ears. Your attempts to define a plethora of vicious written assaults as mere molehills of disagreement with my opinions provides a clear indication of your preconceived intentions. You want to blame me for disagreeing with the prevailing mindset here. No thanks. (final paragraph #135)
There are many different ways to think and write, but getting into a pissing contest with a skunk isn’t one of them.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:48 amThose weren’t cheap shots, ropelight. That’s what I think about you. Your statements and attitudes shock me more each day. But the larger, more important, point is that you are equating face-to-face speech that leads to violence at protests with online speech that leads to violence in society. These are not equivalent.
It doesn’t surprise me you have chosen the lazy way out, instead of defending your statements here by providing the detail Dana requested. It can be hard to substantiate claims but it’s what adults do if they really believe what they say.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/7/2016 @ 8:59 amIf it offends you so much why don’t you do it? Don’t take the cowardly way out and blame me, do the job yourself – go back over months of comments and look for examples of written violence/hate speech directed at me and other Trump supporters. Make a list and we’ll discuss it.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:04 amI will research and discuss it with Dana since it was her request. I won’t do research to discuss it with the guy taking the lazy way out.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:15 amI’ll do it but it will include angry speech involving everyone, not just the Trump examples you want.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:17 amIt is lazy to refuse to do work, but it’s not cowardly so that is a curious statement, ropelight. Do you like Trump because you both are fearful? He’s clearly an insecure man.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:20 amEasy there old girl. Take a few deep breaths and let the heat of the moment pass. I really didn’t expect you to take up the task. Go ahead and do it if it’s important to you, but don’t do it because you answered my challenge without thinking in through.
I’m reasonably confident the evidence you’ll find will be at odds with your current perspective, however I do trust your integrity to report honestly.
I’m not putting this on you. I’m responsible for my comments, just like everyone else, but I’m not willing to take on a thankless task when the deck is stacked against me.
So, because I like you and because I respect your intelligence and your fighting spirit, I’m offering you an opportunity to back out gracefully. Take it or reject it, it’s entirely up to you. But, don’t obligate yourself for a tedious and onorous task for my sake or because you responded too quickly to a schoolyard taunt.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:43 amRopelight bluffs.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:51 amDRJ calls ropelight’s bluff.
Brave Sir Ropelight runs away.
It’s chivalry.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:24 amBoo!
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:32 amHa-ha! Made you jump.
nk (dbc370) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:33 amPsychosis, ropelight. You keep spelling these words wrong.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:33 amNo it is not chivalry, ropelight.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:38 amI have encountered exactly the kind of behavior that you just exhibited in:
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 9:43 am
Some friends threw me a b-day party which grew a large crowd of well-wishers, and sine we were on campus, not a few curious passers by. One such fellow consumed an alcoholic gift that I had placed away in what I thought was a secure place. The giver of this fine gift alerted me to the transgressor, who instructed me, after I had confronted him about it, “Just go a buy another and give me the receipt, and I will reimburse you.” Sounds like he wanted to make reparations, yes? Hell no, even though his outrageous suggestion that I replace what he stole offended my sense of justice*, I did as he had suggested and he weaseled out. His offer is your offer; and offensive oblation.
* An just and honorable man would have gone forthwith and purchased the replacement himself and placed it, contritely, into my hands.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:51 amIt is fascinating that ropelight thinks our disagreement, even vehemently disagreeing, is a precursor to violence by leftists time zones away that have almost certainly never heard of this website, and even more certainly have never read our comments. When called out, ropelight slinks away, too pathetic to back up his claims of written violence, while doubling down on his asinine claims of written violence. Who know our disagreements has such incredible power over people that have never seen them. Even if they had seen them, ropelight fails fails fails to establish anything remotely close to a connection that our thoughts and words would compel violence by protesters on the other side on the aisle, across the country. Because he can’t. He made a vile claim repeatedly to attempt to tie illegal violent actions of others to those that disagree with him. It is a vile leftist tactic. Trumpian. What else are our supernaturally powerful thought and words capable of?
JD (7fd277) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:52 amandan offensive oblationsigh
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:53 amJD (7fd277) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:52 am
Ropelight occupies a constructive high-ground.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 10:55 amIf I’d received the logical beatdown that ropelight has received on this thread, I might feel like the victim of “written violence” too.
I probably wouldn’t whine so vociferously about it, though.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:09 amAnd ropelight is most definitely and most completely employing the tactics he saw Perry Hood employing over at adj Dana’s site for multiple years. Every one of them passive-aggressive as sheol, as he stands eyebrow deep in a chicken guano mountain whilst proclaiming his hands are clean.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:17 amMr. Trump would want us to be very kind to people even if we don’t always agree with them. That’s the Trump Way.
Sometimes I fall short of his expectations but i tell you what – i get up every day and resolve to do better, and I’m a better pikachu for the effort.
This has been such an incredible journey of self-discovery.
Thank you Mr. Trump – you my friend are a serendipity. God bless you and keep you safe and strong.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:23 amThat is objectively not true, happy.
Felipe -‘constructed with what? Unicorn farts and fairy dust?
JD (5a9bdf) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:26 amYou have to want to believe Mr. JD.
Open your heart to trump JD he holds the lock and you hold the key
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:35 amYou have to ignore everything he says and does to believe that fairytale, Happyfeet. That isn’t hope, it’s delusion.
JD (5a9bdf) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:46 amhe’s better than tricklebritches Mr. JD
i see this with stunning clarity
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:48 amTrump exhorts his lackeys to use violence against his detractors and ropelight accuses us of violent words, while hf sings love songs to Trump. It’s retch-worthy. And it is most definitely a cult. Worse than the cult of Obama.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:13 pmtricklebritches
mg (31009b) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:35 pmstanding O and lmao, happyfeet
Yeah, telling DRJ she shouldn’t feel obligated to perform a task Dana was trying to foist on me, but that I trusted DRj’s integrity to do it fairly. That sure proves what a horses’s ass I am.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:38 pm169. Interesting Madonna reference – some, particularly in the Bernie world see Hillary as the same thing – tired old blond woman co-opter of minority hip pop star well past their sell-by date.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:47 pmJD (5a9bdf) — 6/7/2016 @ 11:26 am
Yes, the same stuff that makes for a safe space.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:24 pmRope, it was the original obligation you placed on DRJ, not the subsequent walk-back, that I was addressing.
felipe (429749) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:28 pmFOIST on you? That’s one sheol of a lot of passive-aggressive bovine excrement. You made loud-mouth accusations against us and Dana told you to back up those accusations with evidence. And you bravely ran away.
YES, indeed, it does.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 1:55 pmI don’t understand instructions like that. Surely once something is frozen it lasts forever? I mean what about the mammoth steaks?
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:16 pmi’m not sure but this pasta is very very thin so that might be partly why
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:22 pmAh, what they’re worried about is water sublimating out of the pasta, thus drying it out. It has no health effect, but it’s not something you want to happen to a very thin substance.
Milhouse (87c499) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:46 pmthat makes sense
it really is good stuff though
happyfeet (a037ad) — 6/7/2016 @ 2:47 pmFrozen foods, especially meat have shelf-life just like non-frozen, Milhouse. In fact, canned goods generally last longer than frozen foods. Plus, there’s frozen and then there’s frozen. The proper temperature to store frozen food is zero degrees and below however, most people’s refrigerators don’t do that. Also, frozen food looses its flavor over time, at least the quality of it’s flavor and that is important. Good old Giovanni doesn’t want you to have a plate of crappy ravioli in a year and blame his product when the flavor degraded because either you handled it incorrectly or kept it too long.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:11 pmI did go to the Rana website, happyfeet and they carry it around me at Acme and Wal-Mart. The packaging looks familiar I believe I’ve tried it before. But living around Philly with dozens of home made pasta it’s hard to use packaged. My Italian friends would be insulted. It’d be like drinking Ruffino chianti instead of their home made stuff. By the way, once you boil the pasta you’ve introduced two things to the product: heat and water. Both reduce food life.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:18 pmFrozen foods retain more vitamins than canned food. What are you talking about?? Now maybe some frozen foods are kept frozen enough. But do they really spoil?
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:24 pmLike a
VirginSturgeonI made it through sargasso weed
Colonel Haiku (cdb06f) — 6/7/2016 @ 3:39 pmSomehow I made it through
Didn’t know how lost I was
Until I found you
I was caught
All for naught
I’d been had, pulled up from teh blue
But you made me feel
caught on rod and reel
Bound for a fish stew
Hoo, like a sturgeon
Filleted for the very first time
Like a sturgeon
When you squirt that
Juicy lime
“Insight” the crowd?
IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses (2ae9ca) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:00 pmThe only “insight” lost is that they were blatant thugs and hooligans who needed to be arrested on the spot… Because to fail that was to INCITE the crowd to more violence.
i can’t make my own pasta it’s just a bridge too far
happyfeet (831175) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:01 pm“Fresh, never frozen” meat is hauled from the butcher factory to the purchaser’s warehouse at 26 degrees, whereas frozen meat is hauled at temperatures ranging from -10 to 0.
John Hitchcock (a9b2a3) — 6/7/2016 @ 4:14 pmYeah, telling DRJ she shouldn’t feel obligated to perform a task Dana was trying to foist on me, but that I trusted DRj’s integrity to do it fairly. That sure proves what a horses’s ass I am.
ropelight (596f46) — 6/7/2016 @ 12:38 pm
This is a disappointing response, which only goes to show that yes, I had higher expectations of you. I will re-adjust accordingly. When one makes an accusation against another, one should be willing to substantiate that accusation.
And for the record, you made the accusation, not me. Therefore if you wish for fellow commentators to take you seriously and extend you respect, then your responsibility would be to back it up when asked. I don’t foist. And I don’t like broad-brush attacks that don’t add up.
I think we’re done here.
Dana (0ee61a) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:22 pmSammy, this is a prime example of not getting the point. Nobody mentioned, asked about, referred to or commented on the retention of vitamins vis-a-vis frozen and canned food. Did they? Milhouse and happyfeet were discussing why Rana suggests you don’t hold their product frozen longer than six months. I threw in a few suggestions. Now I realize my 40 years of restaurant experience is no match for your expertise Sammy, but ignorance of the fact that food looses its flavor after long periods of freezing, take on flavors and odors of other foods in close proximity and tend to develop a stringy texture and in the case of meats a grey color. So yes Sammy, they really do spoil.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/7/2016 @ 5:43 pm