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6/2/2016

Donald Trump is a Giant Scumbag

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:49 am



This is going to be what finally does him in.

And if you can’t tell that the tongue is firmly planted in the cheek, you’re beyond all hope.

The story is from the recently released Trump University documents, and is a couple of days old, but better late than never:

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He really is a horrible human being. If you transposed Hillary’s background and personal characteristics to Trump, and vice-versa, you anti-Hillary people would be howling 50 times as loud about how awful Hillary is. As long as she kept the D after her name. And you would be right.

236 Responses to “Donald Trump is a Giant Scumbag”

  1. mr. the donald is so much worse than the possibly incontinent old shrew

    if he bilked some old folks out of some money they probably didn’t need it anyway

    if they did that’s on them

    he will make conning people great again

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. Such a nightmare.

    Not just the awful con man behavior, but how people I like and respect will find a way to defend all this…which as you say, those same people would never tolerate from another human being.

    Simon Jester (bb7e0e)

  3. it’s hard to know for sure without taking the class yourself personally

    education a lot of times is one of those things where you get out of it what you put into it

    it’s a lot like my egg casserole

    happyfeet (831175)

  4. This lawsuit has been going on since 2013, and yet the primary voters voted for him anyway.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=%22trump+university%22&rlz=1C1LEND_enUS621US621&espv=2&biw=919&bih=633&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2015%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F31%2F2015&tbm=#q=%22trump+university%22&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2015,cd_max:12/31/2015,sbd:1

    It was already known last year, as proven by the Google search link above.

    And yet it was not enough to do him in, nor did it prevent Trump from going from a double-digit deficit with Clinton to being tied in the polls.

    Michael Ejercito (01f3f1)

  5. #4: I think a major reason for this was the networks decision not to make it a big deal during the primaries (and have a Cruz win); rather wait for the race between Trump and Clinton and use it to offset Clinton’s emails. That said, Biden is sitting pretty.

    Does anyone know when the New York trial is set to begin?

    jb (9badd6)

  6. it makes you think how lucky we are to have the Donald

    we almost coulda elected a man whose goldy sacky spoose works for one of the sleaziest companies of all time

    talk about dodging a bullet

    happyfeet (831175)

  7. Such a nightmare.

    It’s actually worse. It’s watching the Republican Party hitching itself to someone who PERSONALLY is anathema to everything the GOP has ever stood for. It’s like watching your sister marry a drug-addicted pornographer, or Leia watching the Death Star blow up Alderran.

    The GOP will not recover in my lifetime, and no party will rise in its place. Trump’s candidacy means the UNENDING rule of the Democrat Party. And people wonder why #NeverTrump folks are so unwilling to bend.

    Frankly, I will accept ANY outcome that prevents Trump from gaining the nomination. SMOD would do less damage.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  8. To my friends, or former friends, who back Trump and suggest that it’s either Trump or Hillary:

    Trump cannot win. I don’t care about current polls. The media is about to destroy him. THe will be armed with the most terrible of things: facts. By the time they are done, he won’t get 30% of the vote. Many of YOU won’t vote for him.

    Sure, Hillary is all kinds of a thief, traitor, etc, and there are a ton of facts to show that, BUT THE MEDIA WILL IGNORE THAT. Fox News will hammer on it, but only the choir watches Fox. Trump’s ads will hammer on it, but who watches ads any more? Especially political ads. We may not all have DVRs but we all have MUTE.

    But Trump’s crimes will be visible in every magazine in every checkout counter, jokes on sitcoms, asides on cop shows, daily newspaper headlines and every TV news show. They will be endemic to the culture.

    So, I ask you this: If you believed that nominating Trump will destroy all opposition the the Democrat agenda for the next 20 years, would you still think it’s a good idea?

    It’s not Trump or Clinton. Nominate Trump and it IS Clinton. And her Democrat successors as far as the eye can see.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  9. BTW, I believe that some of Trump’s most vocal “supporters” here want the GOP to self-destruct and favor the Dems on many issues.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  10. Forget it, Patrick. At this point, you’re preaching to the choir. You’ve pointed out many a time that Trump is a complete POS. Those of us that are Never Trump, we’ve known since this all started. Those who are grudgingly accepting that the GOP does not give a damn also know. Those who are on the Trump Express to Krazytown don’t give a f*ck.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  11. I agree, Kevin M, but I like the idea of the Convention delegates nominating an anti-Trump VP. Cruz is my choice. Who better to stand up to Trump and succeed him if he is impeached?

    On another topic, we all know Trump isn’t worth as much as he claims but, taking him at his word, for someone worth $10B to be reluctant to give a million to charity is like someone with $100K quibbling over $10.

    DRJ (15874d)

  12. #6 LOL

    pikachu is not a fan of the ladies, like that snl guy playing sean connery said about fake alex trebek

    so much worse to have a spouse of a candidate work for a money money company than to doe eye kneepad for a braggy braggy lie lie what with spray tan and orange hairweaves who takes bribes from mafia pencil stabbers and never honest about nuttin

    senator cruz would have been so much smarter to sponsor a eurotrash hooker and as boss marry her

    no pikachu is mondo weirdo against womyns

    let your freak flag fly freakishly

    but lie lie pikachu drinks a lot of trumpwater gobbling down his trumpsteaks while losing money at trumpuniversity while calling people dumb names and staying in trashy overpriced hotel rooms

    and lying

    hes no trump supporter but a trump jockstrap

    a small one

    trumpyfeet (bb7e0e)

  13. Time for Ted Cruz to stand tall and show us what he’s made of.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  14. Maybe in some long term way it is good that the country knows just how awful the Republican party has become. It wants power so much it will elevate Trump if that’s what it takes. Power for no actual good end, but simply power. The only argument they have is that they want the other side to not have the same power.

    Of course there are many good Republicans. I also think there are many good democrats, though some of the die hards here probably think this proves I am a witch.

    We good and honorable patriots comprise a minority who value honor and are suspicious of the bragging users in politics. If only we could all just claim Texas or something.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  15. Or New Mexico!

    Leviticus (efada1)

  16. I agree, Kevin M, but I like the idea of the Convention delegates nominating an anti-Trump VP. Cruz is my choice. Who better to stand up to Trump and succeed him if he is impeached?

    I’m hoping against hope that Cruz doesn’t fall into that trap. It might be a good logistical move, but he’s gonna look really bad to his base doing it. Considering that Obama hasn’t gotten into any real trouble during his stewardship, any possible impeachment of Trump, even with a Dem majority Congress, is going to be exceptionally difficult at best.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  17. it makes you think how lucky we are to have the Donald

    we almost coulda elected a man whose goldy sacky spoose works for one of the sleaziest companies of all time

    talk about dodging a bullet

    happyfeet (831175) — 6/2/2016 @ 8:36 am

    yes yes!

    what a bullet we dodged

    instead we get a guy that has actually has a goldy sacky soros man working as his finance man!

    that’s so much better

    imagine the influence the goldy sacky men can have!

    imagine how sleazy they can be now that they found a kindred sleazer!

    we are so lucky for goldy sacky sleazy Don

    making sleazy great again

    sadfeet (e04f50)

  18. Time for Ted Cruz to stand tall and show us what he’s made of.

    Colonel Haiku

    Would you turn your back on your beloved family to endorse a villain who smeared you and yours? If you were that sort of spineless #*$%, why would anyone care what you had to say?

    It’s not Trump or Clinton. Nominate Trump and it IS Clinton. And her Democrat successors as far as the eye can see.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

    This is exactly right.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  19. #14 Dustin,

    I don’t think the GOP wanted Trump. They did everything they could to stop him. But since he’s going to be the nominee, they’ll have to play ball. There’s no special exemption from being governed by a President simply because one doesn’t like him or any of the choices on the November ballot.
    As far as wanting to win the White House in order to stop the other party from holding power, that’s precisely what is necessary. Denying the Left their incrementalism is priority #1. That was the impetus for William F. Buckley starting up National Review — to help slow the wheels of the Left, by standing out in the road in front of the oncoming Left wing traffic, and yelling, “STOP!” (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  20. But since he’s going to be the nominee, they’ll have to play ball.

    This is where we disagree. They can do like me and simply say they have no part in Trump because he is a dangerous candidate.

    Denying the Left their incrementalism is priority #1.

    This is true. Trump is the more lefty of the candidates, the more corrupt, and the more shameless. Some of his thoughts on power and policy are actually dangerous.

    But he won’t win and it won’t be close so there’s no need for you to get worked up. It’s just not going to happen.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  21. Bill H and Dustin,

    I’m not sure you get what I’m saying. I am not saying Cruz should agree to be Trump’s running mate. Trump would never ask and I hope Cruz would never agree if Trump asked.

    What I’m saying, and what my link suggests, is that the Convention delegates should nominate Cruz. The point is for the VP nominee to be the conservative anti-Trump. The GOP Convention delegates are free to nominate and vote for anyone, even in the first ballot. It would be like President Adams and VP Jefferson, only this time they would be from the same Party.

    DRJ (15874d)

  22. Dustin, why won’t you just fall in line and do as we say? (LOL)

    Leviticus channeling Trump Supporter (efada1)

  23. I think it’s the only way to save conservatism and the GOP in the short term, instead of having to wait another 10-20 years.

    DRJ (15874d)

  24. They can do like me and simply say they have no part in Trump because he is a dangerous candidate.

    The “moral turpitude” clause. In fact, I would argue that no state law of party rule can be enforced that requires a delegate to violate their basic religious or moral principles. If they find Trump to be a morally abhorrent candidate, they should feel free to vote for someone else.

    The Dems will not make much of any allegations against Trump until after the conventions, but I suggest that #NeverTrump spend a hundred million destroying Trump now. It’s not like the Dems won’t do it later.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  25. *no state law OR party rule

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  26. Would you turn your back on your beloved family to endorse a villain who smeared you and yours? If you were that sort of spineless #*$%, why would anyone care what you had to say?
    ====================================================

    WTF! Where did I imply that was the prescription? That’s your straw man, Dustin.

    My hope is that Ted Cruz is doing what he can to line up/shore-up support that will help him during the convention… He’ll need to effectively make the case of why he will better uphold conservative values and principles as POTUS and wage war to dislodge Trump from the driver’s seat. Tough going and the odds are against it, but this is not insurmountable.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  27. Been reading your site for some time. You’ve gone full anti trump when every lead article is about him in a negative way and every negative article about clinton leads with a trump counterbalance. convincing someone to get an unneeded college degree is not the moral equivalent of exposing the entire workings of our dept of state to our enemies. btw, about half of the degrees awarded at harvard are unneeded today.

    mikulin (edc7c5)

  28. I hope Cruz has been doing what needs to be done quietly in the background. Launch the surprise attack just before the convention.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  29. “Hatefulfeet” you are to me forever now, on the very rare occasions we will interact.

    Shame on you.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  30. What I’m saying, and what my link suggests, is that the Convention delegates should nominate Cruz. The point is for the VP nominee to be the conservative anti-Trump. The GOP Convention delegates are free to nominate and vote for anyone, even in the first ballot. It would be like President Adams and VP Jefferson, only this time they would be from the same Party.

    DRJ (15874d) — 6/2/2016 @ 10:08 am

    Right, yes, Ok. That is quite different. I still can’t get my head wrapped around Cruz being elevated to the Presidency by way of a Trump impeachment- I mean, we’re still months off from the election and we’re already talking about impeaching Trump for something he hasn’t even had the opportunity to do yet?- but I get your thought. It would be fun to watch Trump publicly blow a gasket when Cruz tells him “No, you can’t”.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  31. Trumpkin shill (i.e., deliberate liar) alert on #27 above, which refers to the Trump U scandal as Trump “convincing someone to get an unneeded college degree.”

    This is like saying that Bernie Maidoff is in federal prison now for encouraging investors to overplan for their retirement nest-eggs.

    Liar. Just say it out loud, like the rest of the Trumpkins: “I will believe, masticate, and swallow any feces that Donald Trump shovels into my mouth, and thank him for it. And I will tell any lie the other Trumpkins are promoting today to mislead the rest of the public about Donald Trump.”

    Gee, mikulin, welcome to Patterico.com. Whether you’re genuinely new or just a new sock puppet, it’s thrilling to see some new moniker attached to the same moronic drivel your fellow Trumpkin shills post here.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  32. I think Cruz as VP would make Trump’s impeachment less likely, so that isn’t an issue for me. But …

    What I like about this is it would give Cruz a platform to espouse conservative solutions in a much more forceful and effective way than he will have in the Senate, whether it’s controlled by Reid or McConnell. Trump will do his best to marginalize Cruz but the media will love using Cruz to antagonize Trump, so Trump and Cruz will want to find common ground — which means conservatives will still have a small voice. It also makes Cruz the heir apparent in the GOP.

    DRJ (15874d)

  33. The same noisy pack of dumbass knuckle-draggers who’ve been proclaiming Trump’s inevitable defeat nonstop from the time he announced his candidacy, to the time of his undeniable victory in the Primary Elections, to his all but completed nomination, and are now claiming he’s worse than Hillary – what a ridiculous heaping pile of hogwash from the most incipit pack of wrongheaded mutually reinforcing dunderheads in modern American politics. Dogs, returning to their vomit.

    You’re making a joke of yourselves, one you just might never live down. Open your eyes, there’s something going on here and you don’t know what it is.

    ropelight (596f46)

  34. This is evergreen:

    “When politeness and orderliness are met with contempt and betrayal, do not be surprised if the response is something less polite, and less orderly.”

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  35. Maybe, Haiku. The media thinks Cruz wants to control the platform but who knows? We’ll see at the convention this Summer.

    DRJ (15874d)

  36. To my friend DRJ, re your suggestion (#11 & #21 above) that the GOP convention delegates should nominate someone to actively undercut and oppose Trump:

    I don’t see that happening, at least not to that overt degree. I expect the convention will be like many strained weddings I’ve been to — you know, the kind of wedding where at least two thirds of the guests fully expect there to be a divorce within a year, but everyone smiles for the photos through gritted teeth and throws the rice anyway?

    Without Cruz (or whoever the would-be opposition Veep) actively campaigning for the spot and that particular anti-Trump role, I can’t see a large enough opposition wave coalescing to be able to overcome the loyal Trumpkin forces (who will indeed be a very large plurality of the delegates). Priebus and the RNC are now effectively committed to Trump’s candidacy as well. They will “maintain order” — systematically denying oxygen and traction to, and if necessary squelching outright, any kind of organized opposition within the Party to Trump, whether on the Veep pick or anything else. And of course Trump’s own Veep selection will be a triangulated, calibrated pander — he’s already promised to pick someone from the GOP Washington establishment, probably a sitting senator like Jeff Sessions. That will be enough to ensure that he has a compliant running mate. Unfortunately, anyone who qualifies as sufficiently compliant is unlikely to be the kind of Veep whom I could enthuse about as a replacement should Trump die in office (he’s old, fat, and has a spectacularly sedentary lifestyle) or be impeached. Indeed, he might look for the rare combination like Joe Biden was for Obama, someone widely liked who brought party unity and satisfied his party base, while simultaneously being such a clown that the words “President Biden” serve as a sort of anti-impeachment talisman in all but the very worst circumstances.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  37. Been reading your site for some time.

    Well, welcome to our little kaffeeklatch.

    You’ve gone full anti trump when every lead article is about him in a negative way and every negative article about clinton leads with a trump counterbalance.

    If you’ve been reading for some time, you would know this site is run by someone who is rather strongly anti-Trump. You are surprised by this, how, precisely?

    convincing someone to get an unneeded college degree is not the moral equivalent of exposing the entire workings of our dept of state to our enemies.

    I’m beginning to believe your reading skills are still stuck at a 3rd grade level. Had you bothered to look. Trump University isn’t an accredited university. They can’t award degrees. Trump University was a scam job designed to fleece the erstwhile students. Apparently, that happened rather a lot. Trump lent his name and personally backed this scheme. To borrow from Mexican culture, he owns this taco salad.

    btw, about half of the degrees awarded at harvard are unneeded today.

    mikulin (edc7c5) — 6/2/2016 @ 10:23 am

    Yes, we’re aware that you don’t care for Cruz. Tell us something new.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  38. That’s all true, Beldar, but I can still hope for Option A. My Option B is even less likely: Secede and pick Cruz as President of the Republic of Texas.

    DRJ (15874d)

  39. I’d still like to see a convention contest. Since there won’t be a contest for the Presidential nominee, a VP challenge would be interesting. I don’t think Trump has as many loyal delegates as he hopes.

    BTW did you see the NCAA golf yesterday?

    DRJ (15874d)

  40. That’s how stupid Trumpkins are. They think that Trump University was a real university and not a series of “How To Get Rich In Real Estate” “seminars” little better than infomercials.

    Trumpkin = stupid.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. BTW did you see the NCAA golf yesterday?

    DRJ (15874d) — 6/2/2016 @ 11:04 am

    What went on?

    Bill H (971e5f)

  42. You’re making a joke of yourselves, one you just might never live down. Open your eyes, there’s something going on here and you don’t know what it is.

    ropelight (596f46) — 6/2/2016 @ 10:44 am

    Actually that’s way more applicable to Trumpers. They actively support and defend a dishonest, unprincipled, liberal, Democrat. They ignore the lies and the warning signs because TRUMP. We understand what is going on here: a giant con.

    I respect the people who want Trump only because they believe Clinton will be worse. I disagree, but I respect it. They do not defend Trump’s lies or actions.

    I cannot respect the people who defend Trump as if he can do no wrong, and will fix everything. They support Trump because it makes them feel good to be a part of something (regardless of whether its a good something). They don’t use critical thinking and instead they just blindly support him.

    Its sad really.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50)

  43. Oregon beat Texas 3-2 in the men’s finals, Bill H. The number one player for Texas was hurt on hole 15 the day before so Texas had to forfeit one match and the final pairing was all square after 18. Oregon won it on the 3rd extra hole. Beldar and I both went to UT so I guess we’re used to coming in second this year.

    DRJ (15874d)

  44. Here’s an excerpt from Jim Croce – You Don’t Mess Around With Jim Lyrics (edited for the times)

    Uptown got it’s hustlers
    The bowery got it’s bums
    42nd street got big Donald J Trump
    He’s a trash talkin’ son of a gun
    Yeah, he big and fast as a man can come
    And he stronger than a country hoss
    And when the bad folks all get together on Patterico’s site
    They all know The Donald is The Boss. (even if they refuse to acknowledge it)

    And they say

    You don’t tug on superman’s cape
    You don’t spit into the wind
    You know ya gotta expose the Queen of corruption for America to win
    Donald Trump’s the man, and you don’t mess around with him.

    ropelight (596f46)

  45. Every match UT lost was close and the UT player who was playing Oregon’s number one player led the entire match. I love golf and it was a fun match play championship tO watch.

    DRJ (15874d)

  46. I cannot respect the people who defend Trump as if he can do no wrong, and will fix everything. They support Trump because it makes them feel good to be a part of something (regardless of whether its a good something). They don’t use critical thinking and instead they just blindly support him.

    Its sad really.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (e04f50) — 6/2/2016 @ 11:21 am

    Trump is merely their response to Obama. They never seem to get Obama has been pretty bad, but hey, let’s have our version of that. They literally think that they’re choosing the ‘right people’ this time.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  47. I see you love New York values, ropelight. Is ghetto our new American values?

    DRJ (15874d)

  48. ropelight, you know how that song ends, right?

    Leviticus (4c32a3)

  49. I agree, Bill H. They want big government as long as it’s for them instead of the other guys.

    DRJ (15874d)

  50. Leviticus,

    In Trump’s version, it ends with Trump eliminating the First Amendment and the media. His supporters will cheer.

    DRJ (15874d)

  51. I’ll fill you in: it ends with the namesake getting carved to ribbons by an actual tough guy

    Leviticus (4c32a3)

  52. (Fill ropelight in, that is)

    Leviticus (4c32a3)

  53. Oregon beat Texas 3-2 in the men’s finals, Bill H. The number one player for Texas was hurt on hole 15 the day before so Texas had to forfeit one match and the final pairing was all square after 18. Oregon won it on the 3rd extra hole. Beldar and I both went to UT so I guess we’re used to coming in second this year.

    DRJ (15874d) — 6/2/2016 @ 11:23 am

    All square at 18 with 3 extra holes. Pretty impressive play. After losing their best player, and UT still managed to keep it that tight? Yah, I’d say UT has a good golf team.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  54. Also, ropelight: the lyric is “big and dumb,” not “big and fast.”

    Leviticus (4c32a3)

  55. You should probably leave the songwriting to the Colonel, honestly

    Leviticus (4c32a3)

  56. Speaking of tough guys, I wonder what Harry Reid will do to President Trump and his loyal establishment VP Sessions? It won’t be pretty. My prediction is Trump would act like Reid is doing his bidding when it’s the other way around.

    DRJ (15874d)

  57. Bill H (971e5f) — 6/2/2016 @ 10:58 am

    Apparently, that happened rather a lot. Trump lent his name and personally backed this scheme. To borrow from Mexican culture, he owns this taco salad.

    I read now that he owned 93% of it, and approved its ads, but he did not have much of a role in its operations.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/us/politics/donald-trump-university.html

    Mr. Trump, who started the university in 2005, owned 93 percent of the now-defunct company. From the start, he acted as its chief promoter, rather than day-to-day manager, selling it as a tool of financial empowerment that would improve life for thousands of ordinary Americans….Jason Nicholas, a sales executive at Trump University, recalled a deceptive pitch used to lure students — that Mr. Trump would be “actively involved” in their education. “This was not true,” Mr. Nicholas testified, saying Mr. Trump was hardly involved at all.

    This article contains (barely legible) photos of some of the ads:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/trump-university-a-scam-just-like-trump-campaign.html

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  58. #42, PH2, do you actually prefer Hillary to Trump? Is that a fair description of your sentiments expressed as follows:

    I respect the people who want Trump only because they believe Clinton will be worse. I disagree, but I respect it.

    PS: Your call, respect who you will, but remember those who don’t respect you aren’t irritated by the withdrawal of your faux affections.

    ropelight (596f46)

  59. DRJ – that was an awesome match to watch.

    I see ropelight is still filled with bile, that he insists on spitting out at every available opportunity.

    JD (7fd277)

  60. Senaor Harry Reid is retiring at he end of this year. He will likely be suceeded by Senator Chares Schumer, who is up for re-election this year, but will probably receive no serious challenge.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  61. But the White House will get a magnificent new ballroom if Trump is elected. Trump could be the general contractor who asks suppliers to give him the materials and offers the subs priority for federal jobs if they work this job for free. Then he can pocket the fee and brag about how the ballroom cost so little.

    DRJ (15874d)

  62. The Republican party rule at the convention is, I think, that if someone doesn’t vote for the candidate he or she is supposed to according to convention rules, he is deemed to have resigned and will be replaced by an alternate.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  63. We already know Schumer thinks Trump will work with the Democrats. Easy pickins for Schumer.

    DRJ (15874d)

  64. You said the opposite 4 days ago, Sammy. I think you are confusing the vote for a Presidential nominee with the VP nominee.

    DRJ (15874d)

  65. There are no VP delegates. The delegates are bound to vote for the Presidential candidates.

    DRJ (15874d)

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    papertiger (c2d6da)

  67. Well, thank you for showing such integrity Patterico. I was wondering what you were going to do if Trump got the (apparent) nomination. But you haven’t compromised your morals – I respect that.

    Trump is truly a megalomaniac.

    Tillman (a95660)

  68. When all else fails, Trump followers try to make people angry. After all, it works on them every time.

    DRJ (15874d)

  69. Trump’s VP will likely be Kasich, as promised months ago to keep him in to cripple Cruz. I have no doubt that Kasich’s money came from Trump supporters/PACs. Many Republicans would dislike Kasich as President, so he’s fairly safe there.

    If he shafts Kasich, he’s might pick Gingrich — he’d get a very credible #2 with a thorough knowledge of the Hill — although that risks the impeachment thing as a Gingrich Presidency would be INFINITELY preferable to more than you might think.

    I can see him trying to cover the racial thing by picking Rubio, who has nothing left to lose.

    Sessions brings him nothing. It’s a doubling down and Trump doesn’t need any help on that score.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  70. “Donald Trump is a Giant Scumbag.”
    No. The Great White Dope is merely an opportunist- aka, a capitalist.

    “YOU CAN’T CHEAT AN HONEST MAN. NEVER GIVE A SUCKER AN EVEN BREAK OR SMARTEN UP A CHUMP.”- W.C.FIELDS.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  71. Hahaha can you imagine the spectacle of a Trump/Gingrich ticket endlessly harping on Bill Clinton’s philandering?

    I can.

    Leviticus (4c32a3)

  72. #42, PH2, do you actually prefer Hillary to Trump? Is that a fair description of your sentiments…

    ropelight (596f46) — 6/2/2016 @ 11:39 am

    No its not. I prefer neither. I will vote for neither. I will support neither. Both are terrible, just in different ways.

    But I think that if Clinton is elected, she will be fought by Congress. If Trump is elected, he will be given everything he wants. Sure some of that will be better than Clinton. But some will be much much worse.

    But that’s looking at it academically. Put a gun to my hand and make me vote for one? I will reject voting so just kill me.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  73. Kevin M,

    Trump doesn’t need anyone or anything, haven’t you heard?

    But please donate at DonaldJTrump.com. He needs money to help repay his campaign loans.

    DRJ (15874d)

  74. When all else fails, Trump followers try to make people angry. After all, it works on them every time.

    This whole Trump phenomenon is pent up anger and frustration. Eight years of Obama, six mostly wasted years under W with a GOP majority, a completely feckless John McCain and an over-handled Romney playing it so safe that he ended up losing. That Crowley debate still sticks in people’s craw (npi) — mine too, and I LIKE Romney.

    I get it. People are really really really pissed and the sight of someone like happy sappy Jeb! offering himself for the job had to be vomit-worthy.

    But Crazy Eddie* isn’t the answer. Yes, Trump will act out a fine tantrum. But people will tire of it and the man will overshadow the issues. And the man will be found gravely wanting. It is not Trump’s message that #NeverTrump finds unacceptable. Many of us nod in agreement to many points. No, it’s that the man himself is incapable of carrying out the duties of the office, whatever his policies. When I realize that *I* would do a better job — and I would do a sh1tty job — I know that this ain’t the guy.

    All Trump can do is rant. And we need more than that.

    _____
    * See “The Mote in God’s Eye

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  75. It’s like watching your sister marry a drug-addicted pornographer…

    With the pornographer, a money shot is a), guaranteed, and b), strictly business.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  76. do you actually prefer Hillary to Trump? Is that a fair description of your sentiments…

    There is no lesser evil here. On a scale of 1 to 10, Hillary is a “2” and Trump is maybe a “3”. Well below the threshold.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  77. With the pornographer, a money shot is a), guaranteed, and b), strictly business.

    With a drug-addicted one, the money will go up his arm.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  78. Whether Mr. Trump and/or Mrs.Clinton are the greatest threats to the Nation is moot:

    1: The DEBT will not be fixed or reduced,{see2}
    2: The resultant immigration will transform one political Party supreme from National to State.

    mike191 (bf652f)

  79. Trump doesn’t need any help in the upcoming general election, he’ll beat the stuffing out of Hillary, if she’s the nominee, or anyone else the Democrats are able to replace her with.

    It won’t matter if it’s Slow Joe or Pocahontas or some fruitcake off his meds, Trump will trounce any Democrat in this outsider’s year. Sure the Dems will have to run in a replacement for Hillary when even the news media can no longer pretend the writing isn’t on the wall.

    Expect some modern variant of the Torricelli maneuver, that’ll be the tip off.

    ropelight (596f46)

  80. DRJ (15874d) — 6/2/2016 @ 11:48/50 am

    I think you are confusing the vote for a Presidential nominee with the VP nominee…There are no VP delegates. The delegates are bound to vote for the Presidential candidates.

    That’s right.

    I was responding to #24/25 of Kevin M:

    Dustin @20: They can do like me and simply say they have no part in Trump because he is a dangerous candidate.

    Kevin M @24 as corrected by #25: The “moral turpitude” clause. In fact, I would argue that no state law or party rule can be enforced that requires a delegate to violate their basic religious or moral principles. If they find Trump to be a morally abhorrent candidate, they should feel free to vote for someone else.

    Kevin M was talking about the vote for president. There is no rule about voting for vice president, although they may have the same Rule 40b about announcing a vote for a non-nominated candidate from the podium.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  81. I hate to interrupt Patrick’s vociferous campaign to get Hillary and Bill back in the White House 😫 but it needs to be pointed out that the person Patrick is talking about is named Ronald Schnackenberg; after he worked for Trump, he spent 11 months working at The Glenn Beck Program, and of course Beck has been virulently anti-Trump. Just a few days ago, SiriusXM suspended Beck’s program citing “comments recently made by a guest on the independently produced [show], in our judgment, may be reasonably construed by some to have been advocating harm against an individual currently running for office, which we cannot condone.” Patrick, please come to you senses, or whoever hacked this wonderful blog needs to give it back to Patrick. Thank you for your kind attention.

    Andrew Hyman (e8ded8)

  82. Trump’s campaign loans are owed mostly to himself!

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  83. I’m glad you’ve finally acknowledged Trump doesn’t need or want the NeverTrump folks, ropelight. Now there is no reason to get angry and berate people like me who don’t share your passion for Trump.

    DRJ (15874d)

  84. ropelight (596f46) — 6/2/2016 @ 12:24 pm

    Expect some modern variant of the Torricelli maneuver, that’ll be the tip off.

    A Clinton is someone who arranges or helps along the Torricelli maneuever, (it could also be called the Eagleton manuever) not the target of one.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  85. Trump doesn’t need any help in the upcoming general election, he’ll beat the stuffing out of Hillary, if she’s the nominee, or anyone else the Democrats are able to replace her with.

    It won’t matter if it’s Slow Joe or Pocahontas or some fruitcake off his meds, Trump will trounce any Democrat in this outsider’s year. Sure the Dems will have to run in a replacement for Hillary when even the news media can no longer pretend the writing isn’t on the wall.

    Expect some modern variant of the Torricelli maneuver, that’ll be the tip off.
    ropelight (596f46) — 6/2/2016 @ 12:24 pm

    If Biden jumps in, he will destroy Trump.

    Mark. My. Words.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  86. It’s only vice presidential candidates who are forced off the ticket. Neither Hillary Clinron nor Donald Trump could ever get or keep the nomination of a major party for Vice President, but only President, which has lower ethical standards than Senator or member of Congress.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  87. The Republican Primary candidates’ strategy seems to have been to feed the crocodile and let it knock all the others candidates out of the race. But by the time that was done, the crocodile was too big to fight off.

    Fantasy: Cruz makes speech at the convention urging delegates to vote their conscience.
    Might work or not.
    (Have a bullhorn in case mike gets cut off.)

    RickT (9604a3)

  88. The “moral turpitude” clause. In fact, I would argue that no state law or party rule can be enforced that requires a delegate to violate their basic religious or moral principles. If they find Trump to be a morally abhorrent candidate, they should feel free to vote for someone else.

    You’re kidding me, right? You mean after all the morally corrupt thieves, liars, deviates and pigs that have run for office now, suddenly, Trump is soooooo bad he’s “morally abhorrent”? The one guy who actually has never served in an elected office and therefore, has never drawn a taxpayer check or sold favors or built a billion dollar “charity” or become a millionaire lobbyist is the guy who is morally abhorrent. You guys make me laugh. You need to tone down the piss & vinegar and listen to your own nonsense. You sound like democrats for crap sake.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  89. I hate to interrupt Patrick’s vociferous campaign to get Hillary and Bill back in the White House 😫 but it needs to be pointed out that the person Patrick is talking about is named Ronald Schnackenberg; after he worked for Trump, he spent 11 months working at The Glenn Beck Program, and of course Beck has been virulently anti-Trump. Just a few days ago, SiriusXM suspended Beck’s program citing “comments recently made by a guest on the independently produced [show], in our judgment, may be reasonably construed by some to have been advocating harm against an individual currently running for office, which we cannot condone.” Patrick, please come to you senses, or whoever hacked this wonderful blog needs to give it back to Patrick. Thank you for your kind attention.

    Andrew Hyman (e8ded8) — 6/2/2016 @ 12:34 pm

    I’ll take your Schnackenberg and raise you three shills for Trump University (Casey Hoban, Michelle Gunn, Kent Moyer) with current ties to Trump. The big diff: Trump’s shills statements are not, to my knowledge, under oath. As we’ve learned about Trump, what he says on TV and interviews are sometimes at odds with what he says when he raises his right hand and put his left hand on That Book About Two Corinthians.

    Nice try.

    L.N. Smithee (b84cf6)

  90. hillary clinton vote for iraq war not because she believed the neo-con artist lies ;but she thought her vote would help her in her run for president. 5000 americans paid with their lives. trump can pay the money back.

    hillary is evil (df3d3c)

  91. Hoagie, they sound like Democrats because they’re trying to elect a Democrat to the presidency.

    ropelight (596f46)

  92. L.N. Smithee, how about if we ignore the shills on both sides?

    Andrew Hyman (e8ded8)

  93. You know, I’m home most of the time these days with my lung problems so I see a lot of news channels and visit a lot of web sites. In my observation the way you guys banter about Trump here sound exactly like far left sites and programs on MSNBC and PBS. Exactly who’s side are you on? There are two people running for President and if the leftist wins this will be the last time any Republican stood a chance of winning the Presidency and the last time in history anything but a leftist will be nominated for the Supreme Court.

    You all need to forget Trump, that’s already decided. You need to concentrate on defeating that scum sucking communist Hillary THEN we can come back and educate Trump once we are in power. That’s why we have Congressmen. But allying yourselves with the CPUSA, American Socialist Party, the democrats, BLM, the Occupy Movement and George Soros is NOT the answer.

    Paving the way for the final leftist push to take over of America is not the moral high ground. Can you guys really be this stupid?

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  94. I would like to very sincerely and seriously and emphatically endorse what Rev. Hoagie just said. Please be calm, and meditate about what he just said. Thanks.

    Andrew Hyman (e8ded8)

  95. I swear to God if one of you sobs link another Stephanopoulos interview of Eric Schniedermann you’re going to regret it.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  96. Thank you Mr. Smithee, but I already read that article by Charles Murray. And he’s wrong and I’m right. Just cause he writes for National Review doesn’t mean he’s right. It’s not just that Hillary’s worse, although she’s much, much, much worse. It’s that this time around will be the last time around in my opinion. The reason I say that is because if coming off 8 years of an a-hole like Obama whomever the Republican candidate is should have 65% of the electorate for one. Secondly, as I stated before another 4-8 years of leftists using their pens, phones and executive orders to make law and appointing judges and SC judges to enforce their whims rather than the Constitution will guarantee the death of the Republican Party an therefore any semblance of opposition to the left. The democrats are already running a socialist on their party and I know within a few years they will become the Democratic Socialist Party. It is THEY who parallel the NAZI’s, not us and they need to be stopped now.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  97. that’s a complete misnomer Mr. Beldar

    these Cruz people only cater to very specific people they do not have what we call “wide appeal”

    that’s their choice and I respect it but it does offer a clue as to why teddy-pie and sacky-poo are on the sidelines now

    happyfeet (13d464)

  98. Hmmm. Mr. Feet.

    How many good people who give genuine value and deep thought to this section are done with you now?

    Again, if you engaged honestly and thoughtfully, instead of the jackwagon you act, you could go far in convincing people to “your” side.

    But honestly, you aren’t interested in that.

    You just like to poop in Patterico’s punchbowl.

    It’s kind of sad, really. I doubt you believe much of anything.

    Beldar is worth at least a thousand of you.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  99. Where is the complaint from Chris and Clara Moore?

    Not the allegations from Glen Beck’s staff, but the actual people who were supposedly bilked.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  100. u r pooper

    done wit u

    happyfeet (13d464)

  101. We have never had a president whose character proved to be more admirable once he was in office than it had appeared during the campaign

    Some people, in 1969, thought that Nixon was/would be an exception, but he wasn’t. For “campaign” read here “entire previous history.”

    Some people have better characters than you think they do, but in that case their character was always not so bad.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  102. Why wouldn’t a judge who’s a member of La Raza want to see that justice is served?

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  103. @Hoagie

    There’s five more months to watch them and decide who is more dangerous, and whose plots, if any, against democracy and good government are more likely to fail. It’s not intentions by which you need to weigh them, but projected results. And that’s easier to tell when your forecast goes less into the future.

    And you even have to ponder whether the situation is such so that the worser of the two evils is better in the long run. You’re projecting which alternate hstory is going to work out better.

    Incidentally, third party candidates, at this point, hurt Hillary more than Trump.

    There just was a poll that showed that when the Libertarian (who is pretty bad) and the Green Pary candiadte were included in the poll, the Libertarian got 5% and the Green Party candidate got 3%. So youd expect the Green Party would take from teh Democrat and the Libertarian from the Republican and Hillary would have two more percentage points in her favor. But exactly the opposite is the case. The difference between Trump and Hillary was two points less to the disadvantage of Hillary.

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/06/01/Why-Third-Party-Run-Could-Hurt-Clinton-More-Trump

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  104. Death to teh Demoness Dowager Clinton and all her enabling acolytes!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  105. Having worked in insurance sales in the early 70’s I could not stay in the industry due to my conscience. Churning, The art of overselling to the elderly by “enhancing” the policies they had sickened me. But it was not the president of the company who encouraged the practice, but the sales managers in the districts who got a percent of all sales. To blame Trump personally is a bit much without proof he wanted this to be the policy. I am not a Trumpist, just a frustrated American sickened by the whole political “industry”.
    PS: I am sure a gaggle of lawyers are profiting from the lawsuits. Seems most of our countries problems are created by lawyers.

    gbear (35fafe)

  106. “Seems most of our countries problems are created by [and for the benefit of] lawyers.” Fixed it.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  107. MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Prince died of an accidental overdose of fentanyl, a powerful opioid painkiller that is up to 50 times more potent than heroin, autopsy results released Thursday show.

    The findings confirm suspicions that opioids played a role in the death of the superstar musician, who was found dead April 21 at his Minneapolis-area estate.

    Overdoses from fentanyl spread in Sacramento County

    Seventh Person Dies from Fentanyl Overdose in Sacramento County

    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/506192/fentanyl-new-drug-stronger-heroin-tnt-china-white-apache-dance-fever-goodfella-jackpot

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  108. Sammy, you don’t need five months to decide if a capitalist buffoon is more dangerous than a leftist operative. That’s either obvious to you or you are a leftist. But I am glad to see the third party candidates harm Hillary more than Trump. That’s good.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  109. The following excerpt is from Stephen Bannon 6/2/16 at Breitbart.com (emphasis added)

    Hillary University: Bill Clinton Bagged $16.46 Million from For-Profit College

    With her campaign sinking in the polls, Hillary Clinton has launched a desperate attack against Trump University to deflect attention away from her deep involvement with a controversial for-profit college that made the Clintons millions, even as the school faced serious legal scrutiny and criminal investigations.

    In April 2015, Bill Clinton was forced to abruptly resign from his lucrative perch as honorary chancellor of Laureate Education, a for-profit college company. The reason for Clinton’s immediate departure: Clinton Cash revealed, and Bloomberg confirmed, that Laureate funneled Bill Clinton $16.46 million over five years while Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. pumped at least $55 million to a group run by Laureate’s founder and chairman, Douglas Becker, a man with strong ties to the Clinton Global Initiative. Laureate has donated between $1 million and $5 million (donations are reported in ranges, not exact amounts) to the Clinton Foundation. Progressive billionaire George Soros is also a Laureate financial backer.

    As the Washington Post reports, “Laureate has stirred controversy throughout Latin America, where it derives two-thirds of its revenue.” During Bill Clinton’s tenure as Laureate’s chancellor, the school spent over $200 million a year on aggressive telemarketing, flashy Internet banner ads, and billboards designed to lure often unprepared students from impoverished countries to enroll in its for-profit classes.

    ropelight (596f46)

  110. I already said I will vote for Trump instead of Clinton if that is the choice in November,
    but Trump’s record is that of a narcissistic megalomaniac, the Republican (not conservative) response to Obama,
    that he may be preferred to Clinton says very little,
    left to himself, he has given every indication he will trample the Constitution and the rule of law as much as Obama.

    And if the Dems pull a Torricelli, which I think is a distinct possibility, I think Trump loses.

    Still hoping and praying Trump self destructs as a candidate,
    or has a Damascus moment.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  111. There’s something else you need to consider with all this neverTrump nonsense and that is if people decide they won’t vote for Trump they may just decide to stay home and not vote at all. In fact that’s highly likely as they may rightly feel if they’re not voting for President the rest is unimportant. That means all the down the ballot candidates will also take a hit, a hit we cannot afford if we want to keep Congress and state seats.

    No, there is no decision. Unfortunately Trump won the primary but we cannot let Hillary and all the leftists win the general and retain power because we don’t like Trump. Sorry, I can’t buy that.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  112. Still hoping and praying Trump self destructs as a candidate,

    You are hoping the Republican candidate “self destructs”? When did you switch parties? Or have you decided Hillary will select better Supreme Court justices than Trump so now you side with George Soros?

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  113. There’s something else you need to consider with all this neverTrump nonsense and that is if people decide they won’t vote for Trump they may just decide to stay home and not vote at all

    Not. My. Fault.

    I told those guys not to pull the pin. They pulled the pin. Now everyone stands there and asserts that it won’t blow up in their face, but if it does it’s somehow my fault.

    It. Isn’t.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  114. Hoagie,
    You jump to conclusions.
    I want Trump to self-destruct as a candidate in time for someone else to be put in.
    He has the greatest negative in polling ever,
    and I think he will be a terrible president if elected.

    If Clinton is pushed aside, I think he will lose.
    And one doesn’t have to appoint a Bader Ginsberg to do a rotten Scotus pick.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  115. even david french, says he will vote for him, so stop looking for the pony, it’s not there,

    narciso (732bc0)

  116. You are hoping the Republican candidate “self destructs”? When did you switch parties?

    Country first, Republican second. When did you decide that party came first?

    Besides, he is NOT the nominee yet, he is only a candidate who can still self-destruct.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  117. I prefer Trump over Clinton,
    because Clinton is terrible in so many ways,
    but Trump is not the best between two poor options
    He is the best between two terrible options

    Until the very last second I am going to hope and pray we are spared from both of them.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  118. true, blackmun, o’connor, kennedy, souter, roberts, ‘growing in office’ is a problem for republicans, as eisenhower said when they asked him name too mistakes, he answered ‘they are on the court'(warren and brennan)

    narciso (732bc0)

  119. The issue is not whether or not I like Trump,
    Hoagie, he has defaulted on loans 4 times,
    not once or twice when things went sour,
    but he has made a pattern of it.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  120. Big dreams, big plans, big sales pitch,
    and crash.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  121. but you knew that from the outset, that’s as surprising as when ellen came out, (I borrowed that from mark steyn back in 97)

    narciso (732bc0)

  122. 116, narciso (732bc0) — 6/2/2016 @ 3:09 pm

    even david french, says he will vote for him,

    When did he say that? I can find no such news.

    I found this:

    http://www.dennyburk.com/who-is-david-french-and-why-is-he-running

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  123. so stop looking for the pony, it’s not there,

    I actually don’t think David French is the answer.

    Here is my Plan B:

    1) Nominate the same candidate for vice-president but different candidates for president in all those states where you have to work to get on the ballot. The candidate for vice president should be a millionaire or billionaire who can and will legally contribute an unlimited amount of money. He or she can especially finance all the efforts to get on the ballot.

    It could be someone like David Koch – in fact David Koch himself is maybe a possibility. He did this once before, in 1980, running as the Libertarian vice presdential candidate. This person will have no chance of actually becoming vice preident or president, since the Senate gets to pick only from the top two, so whether anybody wants him as president or vice president is not an issue.

    2) Don’t even try to get on all 50 state ballots. It’s not necessary. Nor is it necessary to get into the debates, but a separate debates or town halls might be held.

    Nominating different candidates for president in different states is modeled somewhat on the strategy the Whigs slipped into in the Presidential election of 1836.

    In some states, if the local Republican Party puts a somewhat acceptable name on the ballot, and you think the Electors will not vote for Trump in the end, don’t run anyone.

    3) Important: The different candidates will compete to see who can come in third in the Electoral College. This actually works better than if there is the same candidate in 35 or so different states. The fact that only one third party candidate can make it into the House of Representatives, but if he does, is likely to become president, will encourage wavering voters, especially in states that usually vote Democrat, to vote for the third party candidate, if that candidate is someone they like or like better than say, Ted Cruz, who might be running in Texas, and likely to win its 38 Electoral votes.

    This works also if the Texas candidate is Coburn.

    4) Call the party with the multiple candidates for president but single candidate for vice president the Whig party. (as good a name as any, and the name gets more free publicity.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  124. MD in Philly, you (and everybody else) has listed Trumps failures up and down from lying to defaulting on loans ad nauseam. Everybody on earth has heard them a thousand times. It doesn’t change the fact he’s the apparent candidate. Live with it.

    That’s right Kevin M, country first, but if your party can’t depend on you cause your feelings are hurt how can your country depend on you? Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their Party. It’s times like these that test a patriots true commitment. We were dealt a lousy hand Kevin but that’s the hand we have to fight with. If you’re not up to the task then step aside. Better yet, switch parties we don’t need people who are for the enemy.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  125. Libertarian vice presidential nominee William Weld is kinder to Hillary Clinton than Bernie Sanders:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/02/us/politics/libertarian-party-gary-johnson-william-weld.html

    Mr. Weld gave a single-word response about whether Mrs. Clinton was a good secretary of state: “Yes.”

    He was equally succinct when asked if her use of a private email server, now the subject of an F.B.I. investigation, was a legitimate issue.

    “No,” said Mr. Weld, a former prosecutor, adding that he had read of no evidence that would clear the bar for criminality. “I think it’s a nonstarter.”

    He was noncommittal as to whether it showed poor judgment on behalf of Mrs. Clinton, but pointed out that Colin Powell had also used private email while secretary of state under George W. Bush — a point often made by Mrs. Clinton’s aides.

    Mr. Weld has been friendly with Mrs. Clinton since they worked together on the impeachment team of the House Judiciary Committee during the presidency of Richard M. Nixon. He praised her as “kind” and smart.

    He saved his harshest words for Donald J. Trump, the Republican Party’s presumptive nominee, whom Mr. Weld has excoriated for anti-immigrant speech.

    “The wall is a joke,” Mr. Weld said of Mr. Trump’s vow to build a wall along the border with Mexico. But, he added, “I would say it was a joke if it didn’t remind me so much of the Berlin Wall.”

    He compared Mr. Trump, who has an ardent base of supporters, to Jim Jones, the cult leader whose followers committed suicide by the hundreds, drinking poison at his urging in Jonestown, Guyana, in 1978.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  126. Old video: If Trump’s the nominee then I’ll vote for Donald Trump, says … David French

    http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/01/old-video-if-trumps-the-nominee-than-ill-vote-for-donald-trump-says-david-french/

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  127. #107 = TY Rev.

    gbear (35fafe)

  128. said it before, and even with his “evolving” on issues, will continue to believe that, Trump is Hillary with a different border policy.
    The only thing likely worse than a Trump win this November is a Trump loss.

    JPKalishek (70437e)

  129. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435815/bill-weld-libertarian-vice-presidential-contender-profile

    Bill Weld was President Clinton’s nominee to be ambassador to Mexico in 1997 – and he wasn’t confirmed. He resigned as Governor even before confirmation – maybe he was looking for some excuse to quit. He wanted to ger Ed Meese fired ovee Wedtech but it seems like he found no problems with other scandals with anybody else anytime since.

    He ran for Governor of New York in 2006 in the Republican primary. He endorsed Barack Obama in 2008.

    How can anybody think this guy is honest?

    He could be a good fit for Donald Trump’s vice president maybe, if things ahd worked out differently.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  130. Does anyone think that Demoness Dowager Clinton would stop the one of horsesh*t promulgated by the likes of Kamala Harris, Schneidermann and the rest of these totalitarian asshole AGs around the country? Or this DOJ crap where they allow Big Banks (B of A, Chase-Morgan, etc.) to forego well over $100,000,000 in fines if they’ll donate tens of millions to Obama’s handpicked leftwing non-profits and activist groups, money that by law should be going to the US Treasury?

    If you do, you are a moron and no better than any of them.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  131. Cheers, Col. Toasting your words of wisdom at the Rusty Pelican in Huntington Beach.
    Soda water.

    mg (f81376)

  132. 127. Hot Air says that was on January 22, but on March 2 he wrote:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432237/donald-trump-why-i-cant-vote-trump-nevertrump

    Why I Changed My Mind and Joined the #NeverTrump Movement

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  133. >Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their Party.

    Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country, which is more important than their party.

    In my case, that meant switching parties to vote against Trump. I’m not sure yet what it means for the general election.

    But it’s clear to me that you, and others like you, are putting your Party before your Country. Which is, I suppose, your prerogative; but you don’t get to stand and crow about patriotism while you do so.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  134. Newport Beach. Lots a beach towns down here.

    mg (f81376)

  135. I woulda told you to go to Captain Jack’s mg! But RP is a good one.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  136. I said this a long time ago,
    I think it is stupid arguing over who is the worst candidate,
    apparent means apparent
    I will not lay down and live with it until I absolutely have to
    He is a terrible candidate
    I believe he will be a terrible president
    I know how terrible Clinton will be so I will not vote for her
    But I have zero guarantee that Trump will turn out any better

    One either believes in the rule of law or not
    I would prefer not to choose between a not-so-left wing despot and a left wing despot.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  137. Leave the totalitarianism to the Democrat Party. There’s nothing Democratic abut them. They may as well be Soviets, either Soviet-style cronyism and disregard for the law and our nation’s well-being. Fu*k ’em all where they breathe.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  138. 110 So Trump had a scam school and the Clintons had a scam school.

    Clinton’s school was bigger, and went after poorer people, who mostly were not in the United States. Trump had a majority interest in his scam school while the Clintons were only “connected” and the State Department gave an institution controlled by the school’s founder and chairman more than three times as much money as went to Bill Clinton. Some more money went to the Foundation.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  139. Captain Jack’s is now on the list.

    mg (f81376)

  140. Jeffrey Varasano

    It’s all garbage. It’s beyond, beyond, beyond stupid to think that any words her speech writer wrote could make up for 25 years of watching her and her progressive team in action. Her foreign policy is to do what exactly? Let immigrants invade the US, like all the Europeans are doing? Weaken our resolve by allowing continuous Critical Theory in the schools so that there’s no one willing to fight for us? Tell our students that America is an evil place? Take money from Russian Uranium oligarchs? Surround herself with pro-American advisers like Huma? Ingratiate herself into the 3rd world by stealing cash from Haitian refugees? Leave troops in the field hanging so as not to kill her PR buzz? Run arms to Al Qaeda? Run tail out of Somalia? Close Guantanamo? She’s a lefitst. You elect her you get leftist policies which means the dissolution of the west. Period.

    narciso (732bc0)

  141. Colonel,
    I think Clinton would be as bad as any of the rest of you think she will be,
    So I will vote against her.
    That said, I have zero confidence Trump will turn out well.

    I knew who and what Obama was from the beginning,
    Trump is Obama without the L wing ideology,
    But the Trumpster is for the Trumpster,
    and you will be disappointed if you think anything else.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  142. in my case that meant switching parties to vote against Trump.

    That calls for a Data laugh (YouTube).

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  143. About what in specific, narciso? There have been many Theranos lawsuits.

    http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/25/technology/theranos-lawsuit/

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  144. defrauding a million people, with her bogus test, reminds of harry lime in the third man,

    narciso (732bc0)

  145. Papertiger, thanks. As a gay liberal, I find that voting for Ted Cruz takes a great deal of fortitude – but, back when I committed to this course, it was the best short-term action I could take to help defeat Trump.

    Now, I’m not sure what to do. In my home state, Trump’s loss is a foregone conclusion; so the question is, what can I do to help his opponents defeat him outside my home state? This may entail phone banking for Johnson in Republican-leaning swing states, or it may entail something else. I haven’t figured it out yet.

    But I consider it a moral imperative to do *something*. I’m somewhat with Sully on this score.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  146. But it’s clear to me that you, and others like you, are putting your Party before your Country

    Really aphrael, you too? Now you question my patriotism because I believe my party and it’s candidate Trump is better for America than the leftist democrat party headed by Hillary Clinton and her lover Huma Abedin?

    So “it’s clear to” you is it? Apparently nothing is clear to you but your own hatred of Trump. What should be clear to you , if you were actually looking, would be that me, and others like me, realize Hillary would be a continuation of mr. pen and phone on steroids. That if Hillary wins she will most likely carry Congress and many state legislatures and governors on her coattails and within a few short years beside net neutrality, new penalties against certain speech, gun bans and/or confiscation because the new Supreme Court will rule the RTKABA is invalid, our Constitution would cease to exist as we know it.

    Now if you believe Donald Trump would do that then vote Hillary. But at least you had the balls to switch parties. If one is going to act like, talk like and vote like a damn democrat one may as well be one.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  147. So normally Aphrael is a registered scumbag. Favors the organizational abilities and focus afforded by Democrat led government over the piecemeal approach of normal street crime.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  148. I’ve been casting my mind back through history and literature, to try to identify just the right character who represents and embodies the kind of devoted sycophancy of the true Trumpkin shills (including the ones who comment here). I’m pretty sure I’ve finally found the right one. It’s Renfield. Right now they’re in the same state of excitement as when their role model had been fed a nice batch of cockroaches by his master, but before he’d actually been let out of the asylum.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  149. > Now you question my patriotism because I believe my party and it’s candidate Trump is better for America than the leftist democrat party headed by Hillary Clinton and her lover Huma Abedin?

    I’m willing to accept a belief that Trump is preferable to Sen. Clinton. I have no beef with that. I *disagree*, but that’s life.

    What I’m unwilling to accept is the belief that Trump is *acceptable*. Not only is he a con man with the heart of a bully, he has demonstrated disrespect for freedom of religion and freedom of speech and for the independence of the judiciary, he has implied that the US could safely default on its national debt, and he has said that he is fine with nuclear proliferation.

    He is (in my opinion) an unparalleled threat to the Republic, by far the worst domestic threat to the Republic of my lifetime.

    If you think Sen. Clinton is *worse*, then you should be fighting to find some other alternative rather than supporting Trump.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  150. well enabling a blood sucking scourge who does that sound like, the pawn of the chinese the kingdom, the african warlords I mentioned earlier, the enablers of the mullahs and the sepah,

    narciso (732bc0)

  151. > normally Aphrael is a registered scumbag.

    From September of 2015 through May of 2016, I was registered ‘no party preference’ in California, as I was from roughly 2003 through 2011.

    When I lived in NYC I was registered as a Democrat, to be sure, but that’s entirely because the real election in NYC is the Democratic party primary, and so the only way to have any influence on the outcome at all is to vote in the partisan primary.

    That said – dude, where have you been? I’ve been commenting here for thirteen years. I’ve never *hidden* my politics; i’m one of the liberals who hang out here to talk to conservatives. I thought everyone who was paying attention knew that. :)

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  152. HILLARY TO TRUMP: “I KNOW WHAT HONOR LOOKS LIKE!”
    TRUMP TO HILLARY: “SEMEN STAINS OR LYING TO THE FAMILIES OF THE BENGAHZI DEAD?”

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  153. As a gay liberal, I find that voting for Ted Cruz takes a great deal of fortitude – but, back when I committed to this course, it was the best short-term action I could take to help defeat Trump.

    So you’re arguing with me against Trump and you’re a gay liberal? Well of course you’re against Trump, you were also against Cruz but voted for him to beat Trump, that’s all. So basically you’re a political saboteur moving between parties like Bruce Jenner does between sexes to use political infiltration and espionage against Republicans.

    IOW, if Cruz won the primary you would not vote for Cruz either. So all your talk means nothing, you’re the enemy. A Hillary supporter and in my view enemy of the Republic.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  154. 154.> normally Aphrael is a registered scumbag.

    That’s not necessary.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  155. aphrael and I are in agreement on this,
    we find it perfectly reasonable to prefer Trump over Clinton,
    In that respect I have never been a “nevertrumper”,
    and will support the idea that Clinton,
    Or whoever the Dem may be because the Dems are not so stupid as to not realize how terrible a candidate Clinton is
    Will be terrible for the republic

    But at this point in time, I am hoping to be spared Trump as well
    He is not an acceptable answer

    Too many of you are betting on the most disliked candidate ever beating HRC,
    but the second it is not HRC
    It will be a completely different ball game

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  156. now that unnecessarily harsh, aphrael may be mistaken, based on some of his earlier positions, however I don’t see any reason to be abusive,

    narciso (732bc0)

  157. > So basically you’re a political saboteur moving between parties like Bruce Jenner does between sexes to use political infiltration and espionage against Republicans.

    *laugh*

    There hasn’t been an election in which I’ve voted a straight party ticket. I voted for John McCain in 2000 because he was the best candidate on the ballot. I voted for the Republican candidates for Lt. Governor and Attorney General in 2010. In this election I’m probably voting for a Libertarian for Congress, because I don’t wish to vote for my incumbent Democratic Congresswoman.

    I have been commenting here for thirteen years. I did not support a Republican candidate for President in that time, but neither did I oppose them with the language that I’ve used to describe Trump.

    My opposition to Trump is not rooted in partisanship; it’s rooted in an analysis of his character and his skills.

    But of course you cannot see that, because your *support* for Trump is rooted in partisanship, and so of course to you, all opposition to him must be partisan.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  158. convincing someone to get an unneeded college degree is not the moral equivalent of exposing the entire workings of our dept of state to our enemies. btw, about half of the degrees awarded at harvard are unneeded today.

    Needed or not, Harvard degrees are genuine. “Trump University” was not a university, did not give degrees of any kind — needed or not — and most importantly did not deliver the product it promised, which was Trump. The whole purported point of paying for these seminars was to learn Trump’s investment secrets from instructors whom he had chosen, and to whom he had taught those secrets. The fraud was that he had not done anything even remotely like that. And yes, what Trump did was morally worse than what Clinton did.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  159. we’re still months off from the election and we’re already talking about impeaching Trump for something he hasn’t even had the opportunity to do yet?

    The constitution doesn’t require that the grounds for impeachment happen during the official’s term. Congress is perfectly entitled to impeach an official the day after s/he takes office, for something they did earlier.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  160. > A Hillary supporter and in my view enemy of the Republic.

    Not really, no. I’m also on record, in another forum, as saying that if I were able to vote in the Democratic party primary I’d vote for Sen. Sanders.

    And, honestly, my view is: I will vote for whichever candidate in whichever party is the most likely to defeat Trump in my state. If that’s Sen. Clinton, it’s Sen. Clinton; if it’s Gov. Johnson, it’s Gov. Johnson; if it’s Sen. Cruz, it’s Sen. Cruz; if it’s Judge Moore, it’s Judge Moore.

    Any politician operating within normal political parameters is preferable to Trump, regardless of party.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  161. This:
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/aclu-leader-quits-after-daughters-encounter-men-in-the-womens-restroom.php

    Trump said the somewhat correct thing about NC in saying it was a states issue,
    But he went on to say that they were stupid because of losing business (right?)

    Anybody who wants to be president should realize that males and females should be allowed to use their own bathroom and locker room.

    Saying that correctly will win the election even as a third party candidate.

    And if we as a nation cannot agree on that,
    then we have passed the critical point on the river above the falls.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  162. Better yet, switch parties we don’t need people who are for the enemy.

    “My party, may she always be right, but my party right or wrong”?

    I can’t really accept that. Oh, I cannot vote for Clinton, and I may yet vote for Trump — that will not come to me until I stand there at the polling place with the choice of Trump or Johnson at hand.

    But I believe that Trump is a terrible candidate and if there is ANY chance that he might not be the nominee (a burst of sanity, lightning, major scandal, financial disaster, stroke, etc) I pray it happens.

    Given Hillary’s massive handicaps any halfway decent candidate would wipe the floor with her. If only we had one.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  163. In defense of Hoagie,
    He shed blood and watched others die fighting Communism,
    and the idea of letting the country stay in the hands of leftist Alinskyites is anathema.
    I agree.
    I just think Trump is so terrible that I am not willing to concede him being the nominee yet.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  164. 146. narciso (732bc0) — 6/2/2016 @ 4:06 pm

    defrauding a million people, with her bogus test, reminds of harry lime in the third man,

    Do we know it is bogus, rather than just not successful because they couldn’t prevent previous tests from contaminating the small sample? (so that it would work the first time used)

    And who was defrauded? Did anyone spend any money on this? Maybe Walgreens, if this turns out not be fixable. It was all hope, not actual.

    In “the Third Man” according tio Wikipedia, Harry Lime had been stealing penicillin from military hospitals, and selling it on the black market diluted so much that many patients died.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  165. MD – that’s a fair point, and it would explain why questioning his patriotism was so offensive to him.

    Rev. Hoagie:

    I took your comment in 125 as questioning the patriotism of people like Kevin M (and myself) who consider Trump a threat to the country and are therefore steadfastly opposed to his candidacy.

    My emotional reaction to that caused me to overstate my position and question your patriotism.

    I withdraw the assertion and apologize for it.

    I also ask that you withdraw the implication, or at least clarify it, in 125.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  166. What I like about this is it would give Cruz a platform to espouse conservative solutions in a much more forceful and effective way than he will have in the Senate, whether it’s controlled by Reid or McConnell

    As VP he would be in the senate, albeit without a deliberative vote. As Sarah Palin explained to the bewildered Biden, who seemed never to have read the constitution, the vice presidency is an Article 1 position, not an Article 2 one, and his only constitutional role is to be president of the senate. That VPs of late haven’t bothered with this, and have left it to the president pro tem and his assistants, was their choice, not binding on any future VP. I would expect a VP Cruz to be in the senate chair full time, and to put the position to good use.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  167. The same noisy pack of dumbass knuckle-draggers who’ve been proclaiming Trump’s inevitable defeat nonstop from the time he announced his candidacy, to the time of his undeniable victory in the Primary Elections, to his all but completed nomination, and are now claiming he’s worse than Hillary

    We’re not claiming that now, we’ve been claiming it ever since he joined the race. We just didn’t imagine it would actually come down to such a choice.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  168. Some people had started using tests by Theranos.

    But I wonder how much of the problem is Theranos, and how much is the FDA.

    Right after the news that a low salt diet is worse than a high salt diet for peole at risk, and a low salt doet is the only danger for people not at risk, the FDA doubles down on its extremel;y low salt recommendations.

    Maybe they’ve been successful in getting people to reduce salt insake.

    Deaths from heart disease started climbing again.

    http://news.heart.org/heart-failure-deaths-rising-after-decade-long-decline/

    Just who is Harry lime here?

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  169. there’s an increase in heart failure among older patients, causing the overall number of new heart failure cases to rise.

    The very people who cut down on salt.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  170. My apologies for my mindless and weirdly iPhone corrected vulgarities. I’m just in a fowl mood and keep plucking teh same chicken.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  171. I read now that he owned 93% of it, and approved its ads, but he did not have much of a role in its operations.

    He didn’t just approve the ads, he appeared in them. And that he had no role in its operations is precisely where the fraud was.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  172. The Republican party rule at the convention is, I think, that if someone doesn’t vote for the candidate he or she is supposed to according to convention rules, he is deemed to have resigned and will be replaced by an alternate.

    There is nobody any delegate is “supposed” to vote for VP. The VP vote is entirely up to each delegate.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  173. You’re right Hoagie. It’s wrong to call people scumbags. Even if they self identify. Heck especially if they self identify.

    Sorry.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  174. harry lime sold bogus flu vaccine, as part of one of his many schemes, the number of false positives or negatives that holmes brought about is rather extraordinary,

    narciso (732bc0)

  175. Trump doesn’t need anyone or anything, haven’t you heard?

    But please donate at DonaldJTrump.com. He needs money to help repay his campaign loans.

    I am getting at least two fundraising calls a week from the Trump campaign. I have never got this volume of calls from anyone before. What’s odder is that the last politician I gave any money to was Fred Thompson, so it’s not as if I’m on any donor list.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  176. #169, Milhouse, I don’t know what took so long. It was so obvious a child could have called it.

    ropelight (596f46)

  177. What I’m saying, and what my link suggests, is that the Convention delegates should nominate Cruz. The point is for the VP nominee to be the conservative anti-Trump. The GOP Convention delegates are free to nominate and vote for anyone, even in the first ballot. It would be like President Adams and VP Jefferson, only this time they would be from the same Party.

    DRJ (15874d)

    That would be interesting to say the least!

    I just hope the delegates nominate Cruz or really anybody reasonable for the presidency, but I’m not exactly holding my breath for the GOP to in any way redeem themselves.

    My hope is that Ted Cruz is doing what he can to line up/shore-up support that will help him during the convention… He’ll need to effectively make the case of why he will better uphold conservative values and principles as POTUS and wage war to dislodge Trump from the driver’s seat. Tough going and the odds are against it, but this is not insurmountable.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83) —

    No need to get upset. Your comments are full of snark and sometimes you don’t actually explain your point. I have the exact same hope. It is possible and it is the best way through this mess right now. He has no reason not to do this. The GOP marginalizes an honest man at every turn, and the boneheads in the establishment licking Trump’s boots have long written Cruz off. But when Trump implodes, those who tried to save the GOP from that fate will have a lot of credibility.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  178. Hey, Sammy, learn to resolve those terrible google search URLs so that we have SOME idea where the link goes. You mean:

    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2816%2930510-4/abstract

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  179. My prediction is that Trump will nominate Jar-Jar Kasich and he will be approved by acclamation, thereby ending the Reagan era in the GOP.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  180. We just didn’t imagine it would actually come down to such a choice.
    Milhouse (87c499) — 6/2/2016 @ 4:40 pm

    I know I sure didn’t expect it to come down to this, Milhouse. I expected Trump to implode in a month. Especially when the first words out of Trumps mouth in the first debate were to insult Paul for no reason. Right there I knew the guy was a low class bum.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  181. 87. …The one guy who actually has never served in an elected office and therefore, has never drawn a taxpayer check or sold favors or built a billion dollar “charity” or become a millionaire lobbyist is the guy who is morally abhorrent. You guys make me laugh. You need to tone down the piss & vinegar and listen to your own nonsense. You sound like democrats for crap sake.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 6/2/2016 @ 12:47 pm

    Hoagie, Trump has gotten a lot of taxpayer checks in the form of things like business grants and government contracts. Usually no-bid contracts. Then of course there’s his use of eminent domain to steal other people’s property, which is just another way to screw the taxpayer on a more personal level. That’s why he buys politicians. There is nothing respectable about a sleazy crony capitalist who buys favors from sleazy politicians who are selling them. Trump buys favors so he can make money on the taxpayer’s dime by feeding at the public trough. They are both morally abhorrent.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  182. “I hate to interrupt Patrick’s vociferous campaign to get Hillary and Bill back in the White House ”

    This is the silliest most disingenuous canard pushed by the Trumpkins.

    JD (519f2a)

  183. Consider it an unintended consequence if you’re ticklish about facing up to the facts.

    ropelight (596f46)

  184. “Hoagie, they sound like Democrats because they’re trying to elect a Democrat to the presidency.”

    There are only two choice on the ballot, as Team D and Team R are nominating Dems.

    JD (519f2a)

  185. If you weren’t blinded by the fact that Trump had pretty much no controlling authority over this setup you might have gotten to see John T. Reed’s missive on what Trump University was being run as:

    “They still have not figured out the main point: I am not certain but I believe that whole industry is a couple of sleazy Utah companies who are like the anonymous corporations who make house brands for supermarkets…

    …the Utah companies provide the various celebrity gurus with a turnkey series of beginner real estate investor seminars: An initial free evening seminar, a three-day paid seminar costing almost always $1,495 or $1,492 or thereabouts, followed by four-day bus tours where they urge you to buy properties which the guru has an ownership interest in or gets a commission for selling you, followed by ever-more expensive “diamond” or “platinum” packages that include seminars and “mentoring.” I think the top ones can cost you $90,000 or so.

    The content of the seminars are the same no matter who the celebrity guru is the brand used. The “instructors” are mostly, or fully, commissioned high-pressure salesmen. The purpose of the whole exercise is to part you from as much of the credit limits of your credit cards as possible then discard you.

    They make you sign a contract. Why? Because that prevents you from reversing the credit-card charges when you figure out you’ve been had. They also pressure you to fill out a favorable evaluation on the instructor or program and/or record a verbal evaluation with the person you are evaluating listening in and making sure you know he’s listening in. After getting that A+ evaluation from you when you are still under their spell, they taunt you with it when you later demand your money back and threaten to sue.

    The gurus have nothing to do with the content, instructor selection, refund policies, etc. They just provide branding: their name, picture, video for commercials.

    If you go to a lot of these, you may well see over time the same instructors as Brand A teachers, Brand B teachers, and Brand C teachers, teaching the exact same stuff each time. They move around from one guru to another frequently like Major League Baseball free agents. And the differences in how they teach are about the same as the difference between how a Major League shortstop plays shortstop when he is at the Dodgers, the Bluejays, and the Giants.

    In other words, when you attend the games of those three teams over the years, you will see guy X playing shortstop the exact same way he always did at each team. Only his uniform changes. Similarly, if you go to the seminars of three different celebrity real estate investment gurus, you may see the exact same instructor at each one teaching the exact same material the exact same way even though each of the brands claims to be unique and superior to the competitors.

    There is no Trump way or Kiyosaki way or whomever way to teach these beginner get-rich-quick seminars, just the shadowy Utah scam way. The media need to attend some of them under cover, then track the behind-the-scenes operation upstream back to Utah. Then and only then will they have the full story.”

    In other words, Trump hired and defended a bunch of Mormon charlatans, much like he ‘hired’ and defended Mitt Romney in 2012. Making Trump the patsy for something that’s been going on a whole lot longer than he’s been around is something that spiteful partisans might do (especially spiteful partisans who are just now getting the media take on it rather than the expert take that’s been available for months now.)

    Dystopia Max (76803a)

  186. “I just think Trump is so terrible that I am not willing to concede him being the nominee yet.”

    Hell, I never conceded that Omaba was qualified to be President. Guess what? My refusal didn’t make any difference.

    “If you think Sen. Clinton is *worse*, then you should be fighting to find some other alternative rather than supporting Trump.”
    That battle was decided on May 3rd, when Trump won Indiana and Cruz dropped out.
    That ship has sailed.
    The horse has already left the barn.
    That opportunity has already passed.

    The 2016 Republican candidate is Trump. Period.
    Doesn’t matter if you like it or not.

    You can either deal with the world as it is or not. The world doesn’t care, and your rejection of reality won’t have any effect.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  187. Dyspepsia Jackazz is more like it.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  188. After getting that A+ evaluation from you when you are still under their spell, they taunt you with it when you later demand your money back and threaten to sue.

    Trump does not strike me as the kind of guy who shies away from litigation.

    Why didn’t he bust these losers’ asses for taking advantage of Trump U attendees and the Donald himself?

    JP (d739e5)

  189. Dystopia Max: he chose to be involved with the charlatans, and to lend them his name, and to provide them cover and defense.

    Either he did it knowingly, in which case it’s totally reasonable to impute their charlatanry to him; or he did it unknowingly, in which case it’s totally reasonable to call him negligent.

    Which is it?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  190. Making Trump the patsy for something that’s been going on a whole lot longer than he’s been around is something that spiteful partisans might do

    He personally made the fraudulent video ads; that means he owns it, no matter who was operating it for him.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  191. Fred is special. Fits right in with the sheeple that out party ahead of principle and country.

    JD (519f2a)

  192. “I hate to interrupt Patrick’s vociferous campaign to get Hillary and Bill back in the White House ”

    This is the silliest most disingenuous canard pushed by the Trumpkins.

    JD (519f2a) — 6/2/2016 @ 5:30 pm

    “silliest” – this word; I do not think it means what you think it means.

    That’s just the top one on the stack.

    We got way sillier reasons than that one.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  193. Depositions from disgruntled employees or customers are a dime a dozen…. actually they are worth less than a dime a hundred thousand.

    First I see an unsubstantiated claim the Trump was going to keep money raised/donated for the vets.
    Now I see a deposition that only means someone has a point of view and they are pissed off.

    I’ve been on both sides of depositions and lawsuits and know that people routinely, lie, embellish and project etc. even under oath. I have been amazed and saddened by what people have been willing to say.
    I was once accused of stealing groundwater from a spring by people whose rights were secondary. They lied lied lied because they were unhappy and wanted the world to turn on their axis.
    They lost. But it cost me time and money.

    From my point of view
    Until the court determines Trump U was a fraud, it is not a fraud. It is at best pending judgement, but most probably settled one way or another after the election. A payout would not be an admission of guilt, it would just be financially prudent.

    Now did Trump sell a turd wrapped up to look like a superhighway to being a BILLIONAIRE!!!!! ?
    Was it an intentional turd?
    That might be fraud, but tough to prove

    Happiness to everyone,

    steveg (fed1c9)

  194. Steve57, I understand everything you state in #184, we all do. I mean no disrespect but you should know I meant he was not on the government payroll. Not a government employee. Not a government drone, bureaucrat, operative or patronage job holder. He actually worked his own job in his own business. Now I know everyone hates that but it is a fact and even though you all may not like his business practices or how he ran his business nonetheless, he was self employed and did not draw a government check. Hillary did and men died because of it.

    Everything that can be said about Trump has been said. The guy’s a creep and a bum. We all get it. If you believe you’d rather have a radical leftist commie rather than all those lousy things Trump is for President then vote Hillary or don’t vote and let Hillary win and as I stated loose Congress too.

    But do not tell me you’re a Republican but you MUST vote for a communist because Trump. It won’t fly.

    JD, if you were referring to me, I am not a Trumpkin, I was a Cruzkin. You throw that around like a liberal tosses out “racist!”. What you fail to understand is those “sheeple that out party ahead of principle and country” are doing no such thing. They simply are capable of understanding the situation and are trying to save the country by focusing their principles where they can do the most good at this point: DEFEATING HILLARY.

    You all need to crawl down off your crosses, America needs the wood.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  195. For instance;

    SB-1161 Statutes of limitation: California Climate Science Truth and Accountability Act of 2016.(2015-2016)
    http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCompareClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB1161

    This is a permission slip for Kamala Harris to continue her attack on domestic oil coal and natural gas companies.

    You think Hillary might expand it? Oh yeah.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  196. Last time I checked it was still June 2nd.
    Babylon fell in a single night.
    Do you really think you know the future that well???

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  197. yes steve deace is fond of the ahab paradigm, I guess that makes melania jezebel, nebuchanezzar doesn’t really work either, is he demanding worship as a deity, no he’s more like a constantine or a henry tudor, not ideal by any stretch,

    narciso (732bc0)

  198. That’s a wierd piece of legislation, papertiger.

    It looks like it’s saying: “if it would be possible to sue a company because it has been hiding information regarding the existence, extent, or current or future impacts of anthropogenic-induced climate change, but that suit is impossible because of the statute of limitations, the statute of limitations is extended.”

    I’d really want to see some evidence that there were such cases before putting a bill like this up to a vote, and I’d prefer a more general rule (if one could be drafted) rather than a special-case rule that goes into effect now and then expires in four years.

    The analysis by the legislative analyst points to evidence that oil companies engaged in deceptive practices regarding scientific evidence during the 1990s and 2000s, but it seems utterly inappropriate to prosecute them *now* for behavior *then*, and there’s no evidence that they’re doing it now (although one could be forgiven, I think, for assuming that past behavior is indicative of current behavior in this regard).

    So on balance I think the Senate should vote this down. If they pass it and I’m presented with one, I’ll sign a referendum petition.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  199. Hoagie,
    I say it is 50-50 whether Hillary is the Dem nominee,
    and all of the campaigning based on her corruption and incompetence will be good for nothing in an instant,
    leaving some other Alinskyite leftist maybe more skillful than her lined up against the most disliked candidate ever.
    All of those Dems sick of the Clintons will rejoice at the opportunity to vote for a different Dem against Trump.
    You remember Torricelli, the Repubs had a Sen. seat in NJ all sewn up against a verified crook,
    then it was gone as an over the hill politico stepped in.

    It can all change in the blink of an eye,
    which is why I will hope and pray that somehow a candidate worthy of fighting for,
    who is not the most disliked of all time,
    will somehow arise.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  200. MD in Philly – so the difficult question for you, I think, is this: in a world where Sen. Clinton is replaced at the last minute by, say, VP Biden (but Trump is not replaced), do you vote for VP Biden, do you vote for Trump, do you sit the election out, or do you do something else?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  201. well they may do so, the torricelli template, but there’s no guarantee that the solon will win the day either, obama was the perfect storm, the mule from the foundation series,

    narciso (732bc0)

  202. I wasn’t trying to make a tight analogy, just point out how quickly fortunes can turn,
    besides, I don’t think it was Nebuchadnezzar that lost the kingdom but his son
    (could be wrong).
    But Trump is like Nebuchadnezzar in saying look at this great empire that I have built because I am so great.
    God humbles the proud,
    Trump is so proud that he can’t think of a thing to ask God forgiveness for…
    We just usually don’t know His time table.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  203. well he started grazing in the field, now we had the current occupant act like norman the android, and his successor bark like a dog, a few weeks ago, so madness may have already set in,

    narciso (732bc0)

  204. “Gotta Serve ‘lect Somebody”

    You may be a Democrat an’ livin’ on the dole
    You may like to gamble, keep your aces in the hole
    You may be a guy thinks he’s the Ruler of the World
    You may like to golf and wear your Mom Jeans like a girl

    But you’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody, yes indeed
    You’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody,
    It may be a Clinton or it may be the Trump
    But you’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody.

    Might be a narcissist who stutters on TV
    Might have people jump at your command, think cash grows on a tree
    You may be a business man or some low-life super creep
    They may call you Preezie or they may call you Chief.

    But you’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody, yes indeed
    You’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody,
    Well, it may be a Demoness, it won’t be Gerald Ford
    But you’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody.

    You may be a state trooper, baggin’ women for the Boss
    You may be a running back gettin’ tackled for a loss
    You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or ill
    You may be trollin’ trailer parks like that bastard James Carville

    But you’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody, yes
    You’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody,
    Well, it may be the Demoness or it may be the Trump
    But you’re gonna have to ‘lect somebody.

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  205. Hoagie – at this point, I don’t give a rip about why you choose to make this a binary choice, and badger people to come around to voting for a Dem charlatan like Trump. The fact is, you and others, do so. I don’t buy the false choice. Never have. Never will. You have every right to do what you do. But you will not win people over to your position by badgering them. YMMV

    JD (519f2a)

  206. A man who will cheat at cards doesn’t have any religion. – Calamity Jane

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  207. yes, i’m aware, but he probably said this in the context of an environment, where republicans are asked to apologize, when they’ve been mistaken but often when they are right, when one is right about gitmo, death panels, qe infinity’s harm, the libyan incursion well you get the drift,

    narciso (732bc0)

  208. Hoagie – at this point, I don’t give a rip about why you choose to make this a binary choice, and badger people to come around to voting for a Dem charlatan like Trump. The fact is, you and others, do so. I don’t buy the false choice. Never have. Never will. You have every right to do what you do. But you will not win people over to your position by badgering them. YMMV

    +1

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  209. The constitution doesn’t require that the grounds for impeachment happen during the official’s term. Congress is perfectly entitled to impeach an official the day after s/he takes office, for something they did earlier.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 6/2/2016 @ 4:24 pm

    Technically, yes, but get real, Milhouse. We have a tough time just getting charges brought by a Republican led House against an obviously out-of-control President in real time right now. What makes you think Trump will be impeached after he attains office for some act he did however long before that?

    Bill H (971e5f)

  210. My opposition to Clinton is not simply based on all of the corruption she represents,
    but is opposition to the party of Obama, Alinsky, murder of infants that survive abortion, the treason of undercutting Bush in the Iraq war after they voted for it,
    and a long list of other dishonesties.

    I will not vote for a Democrat for rat exterminator unless they disavow what Dems stand for.

    No, I do not hate individual Dems,
    but what their party has come to stand for,
    I have no use for them.

    Biden acts the fool and gets away with it because no one expects any better. Biden would just be the front for the continuation of Obama’s fundamental transformation of America.

    America has plenty of things to attend to, but mainly in fulfilling the original intent for all.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  211. You’ll notice, I don’t hector or mock people who dislike Trump, supported another candidate, see him largely for what he is, but prefer him to the horror of a Clinton presidency.

    The people I mock are the Trumpkins who buy into his bullshit.

    You “lesser of two evils” people are wrong, in my opinion, but I. Don’t. Care. So go nuts. Do whatever you like.

    But it would be nice if you stop hectoring me and people like me. We understand your position. We just reject it. Whose “side” are we on? That of the Constitution. And neither candidate will promote that side. So screw ’em both.

    Live and let live.

    Ramesh Ponnuru wrote a good piece about this today. I’m going to find it and link it in a post.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  212. You’re kidding me, right? You mean after all the morally corrupt thieves, liars, deviates and pigs that have run for office now, suddenly, Trump is soooooo bad he’s “morally abhorrent”?

    You bet. That much is clear. If anything in this election is clear, it is that Trump and Hillary are “morally abhorrent.”

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  213. MD in Philly – so on some level you’re saying that Trump is preferable to *any* Democrat, yes?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  214. Trump doesn’t need any help in the upcoming general election, he’ll beat the stuffing out of Hillary, if she’s the nominee, or anyone else the Democrats are able to replace her with.

    Sweet. Can we bookmark your comment, so when you try to blame me, I can remind you of it?

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  215. Yes, barely.
    But he may turn out even worse than some as he seems eager to take up the imperial presidency after Obama.

    I turned against the Dems when they stuck by Clinton even though every other man in America would have lost their job in 2 seconds for the same behavior,
    and then to add insult to injury put forth the pathological liar Gore for president,
    Then managed to top that with reporting for duty winter soldier Kerry.
    Obama took them from ridiculous to evil.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  216. Impressive, colonel.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  217. Thank you, MD!

    Colonel Haiku (1b4b83)

  218. Most Democrats are preferable to Trump.
    Most Democrats are preferable to most Democrat politicians.
    Donald Trump is a Democrat who buys Democrat politicians.

    John Hitchcock (7f23d9)

  219. There may be some I am unaware of,
    but Lieberman and Gov. Casey (not his son) were the last that I remember respecting,
    and we know how the party treated them.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  220. and zell miller, we also had a mayor of ft lauderdale, who bucked the left train and supported w

    narciso (732bc0)

  221. It’s not that I am against a third party run in principle, it’s just that I think that third party candidate should be Bernie Sanders, running on the socialist ticket.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  222. Good stuff, Col. You may just pee off some Sanders republicans.

    mg (4f44d9)

  223. #219, Patterico, sure, bookmark my comment and add it to your tickler file for review in the 2nd week of November. I’m expecting a paradigm shift.

    ropelight (596f46)

  224. lets see obama was in partner with a former terrorist, direct action activist, trained in cuba, his pastor was a guest of the castro and qaddafi regime, for years, his major executive experience, was providing the funding for the anti heller push for twenty years, at no point did he evince any pro american pro western sentiment,

    narciso (732bc0)

  225. some might conclude that, but considering his background,

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/2/obama-vietnam-iraq-wars-were-overreach-us/

    narciso (732bc0)

  226. Technically, yes, but get real, Milhouse. We have a tough time just getting charges brought by a Republican led House against an obviously out-of-control President in real time right now. What makes you think Trump will be impeached after he attains office for some act he did however long before that?

    Very simple. The main reason there has been no attempt to impeach 0bama is the certainty that the senate would acquit him no matter what he did. We learned that in the Clinton debacle; the D senators made it clear they would never vote to convict a D president, and his acquittal was inevitably portrayed (and has gone down in history) as a vindication. If Trump were running as a D that would hold true for him too, but he isn’t, and D senators would have no compunction at convicting him — they might do it even if they didn’t agree with the charges!

    Milhouse (87c499)

  227. Is Trump university any worse than hillary university?
    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/02/hillary-university-bill-clinton-bagged-16-46-million-from-for-profit-college-as-state-dept-funneled-55-million-back/

    It’s always about what’s in it for the clintons. Continue tearing down Trump every chance you get and we’ll have the crime syndicate back in the whitehouse.

    Can she pardon herself?

    Jim (a9b7c7)

  228. Is Trump university any worse than hillary university?

    Yes, absolutely.

    For one thing there has never been a “Hillary University”. The Breitbart headline is a lie, and so is your question.

    For another, as far as I can tell Laureate runs a genuine university, offering real education and real degrees. There’s nothing wrong with universities making a profit. I don’t see where the scam is supposed to be. The wrongdoing alleged is not a scam at all, but good old fashioned inside dealing, where H. Clinton channelled government contracts to Laureate, and Laureate kicked back cash.

    Milhouse (87c499)


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