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5/31/2016

Hillary Lies About Emails; Trump Lies About Veteran Fundraising

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:47 pm

John Sexton catches the Hillmeister in a giant lie today. Compare and contrast this, from John Podesta:

Secretary Clinton believed her emails to and from officials on their state.gov accounts were automatically captured and preserved in the State Department’s electronic system.

It was not until the Department contacted her in 2014 that she learned this was not the case.

With this, from Hillary’s press conference in . . . March 2015:

Second, the vast majority of my work emails went to government employees at their government addresses, which meant they were captured and preserved immediately on the system at the State Department.

Last time I checked, March 2015 came after 2014. Meaning that, after she had been told in 2014 that her emails had not been captured and preserved, she told the world in March 2015 that they had been. Nice catch by Sexton.

We can’t elect someone this dishonest.

Meanwhile, Kevin Drum (yes, Kevin Drum — facts pointed out by leftists are still facts) does an amazing job pointing out the differences between what Whiny McWhinyface said this morning about veterans’ funding, and what Trump said at the time. The contrasts are . . . stark. Go to his post for all of it, presented in a clean, easy-to-follow table. Here is a teaser:

What Trump says now: On why it took so long to disburse the money: “When you send checks for hundreds of thousands of dollars to people and to companies and to groups that you’ve never heard of, charitable organizations, you have to vet it. You send people out. You do a lot of work.”

What Trump said then: The organizations had been chosen before the event even took place: “The night benefited twenty-two different organizations, a number of which are Iowa based Veterans groups.”

Good work by Drum.

We can’t elect someone this dishonest.

76 Responses to “Hillary Lies About Emails; Trump Lies About Veteran Fundraising”

  1. So what then, David French?

    Um . . . I’ll have to think about that one.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. well he’s a worthier candidate than johnson, now his electoral bonafides are yet to be determined,

    narciso (732bc0)

  3. Wow. Trump claimed he had vetted hand picked veterans groups. Was he being thorough or just wasting the guy reaching for a handout’s time?

    We have to throw him out the airlock now. Dash Hammet. He had such a promising start..

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  4. So what then, David French?

    a namby pamby candy ass pansy

    happyfeet (831175)

  5. Trump also just… lies. Generally. Lie, Cheat, Steal.

    Like here, for example

    Seriously: f*ck anyone that supports this guy. The stuff in that article is sick, twisted stuff.

    Not gonna beat around the bush today.

    Leviticus (ada185)

  6. Given what we know about Comrade Clinton and Chicken Trump, I’d vote for someone randomly chosen out of the Denver phone book over those two peas lying in a pod..

    Tor (654698)

  7. Yeah Tor, but someone randomly chosen out of the Denver phone book isn’t running, they are. Decide. Lying communist or lying capitalist.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  8. Wow. Trump claimed he had vetted hand picked veterans groups. Was he being thorough or just wasting the guy reaching for a handout’s time?

    We have to throw him out the airlock now. Dash Hammet. He had such a promising start..

    Apparently you think we’re all so stupid that we can’t see how you changed the actual criticism to something else.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  9. here’s his resume,

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/about/

    It betrays more depth and relevant experience than Trump, and a greater appreciation for civil liberties.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  10. French is a good man.

    Then there’s this:

    “The State Department’s Office of the Inspector General’s (OIG) report focusing on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s calculated disregard for federal information retention laws not only excoriates Ms. Clinton and her staff for operating an illegal, rogue communications system and failing to retain legally-mandated government records, but thoroughly scotches several claims of innocence Ms. Clinton has made since evidence revealing her dishonesty began to appear in early 2015…”

    http://observer.com/2016/05/so-many-warnings-so-many-lies-clear-patterns-emerge-in-state-dept-doc/

    And this…

    http://observer.com/2016/05/hillary-has-lost-the-war-on-honesty/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  11. well we’re not merely talking unethical, but breaches in classification, probably violations of foreign corrupt practices act, what there is left of it,

    narciso (732bc0)

  12. Apparently you think we’re all so stupid that we can’t see how you changed the actual criticism to something else.

    Said the guy who two posts ago claimed Trump isn’t rich.

    While I can’t speak from personal experience, Trump hasn’t fanned his billfold at me, most people agree he’s loaded.

    http://patterico.com/2016/05/31/article-shady-accounting-underpins-trumps-wealth/

    Except for you.

    And who do you hold up as counsel but Politico. That paragon of virtue signaling who you won’t even link to because of past falsehoods and crimes of conscious.

    That’s some reference there buddy. Don’t hurt yourself. Don’t give em any credit card numbers.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  13. French’s resume — “It betrays more depth and relevant experience than Trump, and a greater appreciation for civil liberties.”

    Well then, he should have tossed his hat in the ring in 2015, shouldn’t he have?
    The country has plenty of upstanding people who could have run. But they didn’t. Only 17 ran, and 16 dropped out and there is one left standing.

    When it is going to sink in to the nevertumper’s heads that Trump won the nomination and will be the Republican party’s candidate. That ship has sailed. All the other potential candidates flopped and now the choices are Hillary or Trump. One of these two will be elected. All the other alternatives that you wish you had? They don’t exist. Hillary or Trump.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  14. One of these two will be elected.

    … Or indicted.

    JP (d739e5)

  15. Mind you not to bandy around links to the Guardian, lest you become the object of ridicule and sport.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  16. Said the guy who two posts ago claimed Trump isn’t rich.

    You’re incapable of accurately restating a criticism. That is not what I said.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  17. That paragon of virtue signaling who you won’t even link to because of past falsehoods and crimes of conscious.

    No, it’s not because of past falsehoods. Whether it’s because of “crimes of conscious” depends on what the hell that means.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  18. what’s that line from alice in wonderland, why she’s called the red queen, like the ai in resident evil,

    http://observer.com/2016/05/so-many-warnings-so-many-lies-clear-patterns-emerge-in-state-dept-doc/

    narciso (732bc0)

  19. fred-2,

    Stop talking to us like we’re children, chump. I am fully aware of everything you just said — obviously. I am just not participating. Get that through your thick head.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  20. I continue to find it stunning that Evangelicals are willing to turn a blind eye to Shorty’s ethical shortcomings. For what percentage of the population, I wonder, is character an issue?

    I don’t want to be an outlier.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  21. well I think you’ll have to go with french,

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/johnson-agree-73-percent-sanders/

    maybe it’s more of that ergot,

    narciso (732bc0)

  22. Is it not? Shall I quote? http://patterico.com/2016/05/31/article-shady-accounting-underpins-trumps-wealth/

    he assigns himself a net worth that is impossible to verify and may be based in part on fantasy; and he is selling assets and increasing debt in ways that suggest a man scrambling for ready cash. – [the bits highlighted]

    This, of course, will change no minds, nor is my posting of it an attempt to try. His supporters will ignore it, while we skeptics already assume that any word out of the man’s mouth is a self-serving lie.

    Good try drawing the curtain with the royal we.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  23. This, of course, will change no minds, nor is my posting of it an attempt to try. His supporters will ignore it, while we skeptics already assume that any word out of the man’s mouth is a self-serving lie.

    Good try drawing the curtain with the royal we.

    You got me! I don’t believe a thing he says about the extent of his wealth. That is not the same, my reading-challenged friend, as saying he is not “rich.”

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  24. There is no wall between “Trump is broke” and “we skeptics already assume that any word out of the man’s mouth is a self-serving lie.”
    The one is a a subset of the other.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  25. FWIW, I too would have expected messages to and from government accounts to be under auto-retention, regardless of settings that individual users might employ. I wonder if that has changed in the meantime.

    Soronel Haetir (86a46e)

  26. 1. It’s a collective “we”. We are with Patterico and Patterico is with us.
    2. What Trump says and what Trumkins say is worth “wee-wee”.

    nk (dbc370)

  27. I sense a disturbance in the force.

    Incoming!

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  28. There is no wall between “Trump is broke” and “we skeptics already assume that any word out of the man’s mouth is a self-serving lie.”
    The one is a a subset of the other.

    You are embarrassing yourself.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  29. FWIW, I too would have expected messages to and from government accounts to be under auto-retention, regardless of settings that individual users might employ. I wonder if that has changed in the meantime.

    Would you have assumed that, and repeated it to the media, after being explicitly told it was not true?

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  30. Today Trump mentioned quite a few charities and clearly from the amounts they tried to spread the money around down to increments of $75K.
    That is a lot of vetting and maybe he was just overly optimistic over what he thought his staff had accomplished.
    Out of 10, 20, 30, 40 charities or more that have been “vetted”, it isn’t uncommon to find that some losers slipped through the cracks.
    I’ve been on committees trying to disburse donations to people around the globe… it isn’t easy, because there are really good cheaters who give you earnest beautiful numbers that on first, second pass looked good and then burn you. Also, unless you have $6M going to one charity from one in hand lump sum, it can take time, pledged donors renege, all kinds of nonsense happens, but in the end all the donor money get disbursed.
    I took my fiduciary duty seriously and I’d rather see other people move money slowly to the right charities rather than fast to the wrong ones.
    In the end, if $6M or so gets to good charities, who cares if it took 5 months instead of 5 days.
    God knows we don’t want any of it going the Clinton slush fund.

    World class nitpicking… oh and please don’t tell me (as a guy who will vote for Trump) to go *bleep* myself. On this topic, that right has not been earned.. what next, start mad dogging and hollering bitch or snitch?
    Classy words from a guy saying Trump is classless. I’m OK with “f*** Trump”, just not “f*** you Trump voter.” I’m not deeply offended and I get that people want to vent, but
    if we are going to ban “pee stank”, then maybe drop the “f***” directed at anyone who simply disagrees?

    Take some deep breaths. Cruz lost. That is a shame, but he had his own way of being a knucklehead sometimes and God knows I didn’t want to see Hillary running an ad of him reading Green Eggs and Ham.
    Cruz lost to a guy that a bunch of you think is a lying coward… well, then Cruz wasn’t all that great if couldn’t beat a lying coward and a buffoon. All the names that Trump gets called here only indict Cruz as the guy who couldn’t even beat the lying, cheating, cowardly, no nothing, half cocked buffoon.

    Cruz went up against a bare knuckle brawler and kept walking into the punches.
    That’s his own damn fault and because Cruz couldn’t win, he leaves us with two crummy choices.
    I say this to Cruz with tough love.. “Hell, you son of a *bleep*. how the hell did you lose to that ass*bleep*. Good God Almighty man, if you weren’t already standing there holding whatever is left of your ass I’d want to kick it.”
    There. I feel better. Thanks for the venue.

    The other thing Cruz could not contain was Trumps ability to treat the media like it is his *bleep*
    I don’t fault Cruz for that. Trump turned Jeb and all his legacy cred and smart money into his *bleep* on a national stage. Trump really has a way of using the media to emasculate people, even though the media and he despise each other. Trump *bleep* slaps the media and then they crawl back and beg for their turn to have another shot at 10 seconds of fame taking a rude, crude butt slapping from their master.
    Quite fascinating really.

    steveg (fed1c9)

  31. the problem really lies with all the other departments, defense, commerce, cia, dia, who obviously saw the sender and yet didn’t report it, so most of the cabinet is liable, hence nothing will be done,

    narciso (732bc0)

  32. Can the House and Senate prospectively impeach and convict whomever wins? As in “BOth these candidates are crooks. so whichever one wins is impeached!”

    I’m guessing not.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  33. Cruz went up against a bare knuckle brawler and kept walking into the punches.
    That’s his own damn fault

    I guess we see it differently. I see it as, he went up against a soulless, terrible, self-promoting lying piece of dog crap, and the idiot voters preferred the latter, because idiots.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  34. The idea of Trump as a “brawler” is hilarious to me. Mr. Bone Spurs is the biggest p-word on the planet.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  35. If worms were to elect a king, would they choose an eagle?

    nk (dbc370)

  36. “Snake One Niner; Pull out forward. There’s still one on the deck down there.” (Youtube)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  37. Cruz is an honorable man, something that has not made his career path an easy one. His biggest failing was his inability – perhaps, unwillingness – to recognize the appeal of his most dishonorable opponent. I don’t want to think that’s who we are, either.

    ThOR (c9324e)

  38. the vast majority of my work emails went to government employees at their government addresses, which meant they were captured and preserved immediately on the system at the State Department.

    You have to know the rest of the story.

    They were indeed, temporarily preserved.

    But it was up to each individual employee to decide which emails in ther possession were government records and should be archived.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  39. half of the emails were deleted sammeh,

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/612721/

    there’s not a bit of difference.

    narciso (732bc0)

  40. and as they deconstruct this country, they do that to others

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/clinton-silent-about-democratic-platform-fight-israel/

    narciso (732bc0)

  41. “You all loved Ellias, and you want to kick some [edit].” (YouTube)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  42. papier mache tiger has been lying about what people said for a very long time now. And I have been calling him out on it for a long time, too. Now, more sporadically. But previously, more actively. papier mache tiger is as dishonest as his god Donald Trump.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  43. one is under criminal investigation with violations of the criminal code, that border on malpractice, another is being subject to some lawfare from biased parties, who have proven zampolits on either coast,

    narciso (732bc0)

  44. That’s not the definition of lawfare.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  45. Poor Donald Trump. He can’t even swindle people out of their money without getting sued.

    John Hitchcock (dbb0d8)

  46. but your trust in schneiderman and harris, because they have shown to be stewards of the rights of their political opponents, under color of law,

    narciso (732bc0)

  47. the naivete about the public abuse of power after the last eight years is extraordinary, from fast and fury to benghazi, and everything in between,

    narciso (732bc0)

  48. That Meskin judge’s gotta be in on it, too, otherwise the case would have been dismissed on summary judgment as a question of law.

    Donald Trump, premier Alpha male and destined to make America great again, the victim of overweening litigants and conscienceless judges.

    nk (dbc370)

  49. you release some documents, you contaminate the jury pool, nothing new there,

    narciso (732bc0)

  50. they went after arpaio, they suffocated sb 1070 in it’s crib, they silenced the only pro western urban daily in the midwest, they make way for mcawful, in order to make their agenda manifest,

    narciso (732bc0)

  51. if one has the voice, they dismiss it, if money is raised it is drowned out by soros’s many tentacles,

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436015/trump-anti-establishment-vote

    narciso (732bc0)

  52. Documents already admitted into evidence, as exhibits in motions to dismiss and for summary judgment? I don’t think so. Moreover, that was not a reason proffered by Trump’s lawyers, or by Trump, either for sealing them in the first place or against their release. It was that they were trade secrets. And, as Schneiderman said, and the court agreed, a game of three-card monte is not a protectable trade secret.

    nk (dbc370)

  53. Heh! We keep forgetting Trump’s own assessment of Trumpkin loyalty: “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any votes.”

    I know, I know. Hillary!

    nk (dbc370)

  54. #41 Sammy Finkelman,

    The fact that Hillary sent all those “work” emails to other government employees is one of the problems. See, she wasn’t on a protected server.
    It’s so ironic how a big-government liberal like Hillary who wants the government to run everything, doesn’t want to use the government-protected server.

    It’s almost like it might be because she’s hiding something, eh?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  55. that was metaphorical, red queen’s actions have led to blood from juarez to tegulcigalpa, and everywhere in between, as well as from the niger river delta to north africa, but you’re all copacetic with that,

    narciso (732bc0)

  56. 42. narciso (732bc0) — 5/31/2016 @ 9:23 pm

    half of the emails were deleted sammeh

    She saids work e-mails, which, by [her] definition, is what she turned over, and not what she deleted. And they were mostly e-mail to and from state.gov addresses.

    She did turn them all over, eventually, because she couldn’t know which the State Department had a copy of, and which it didn’t, but much less than 90% – could be 10% – were archived.

    Of course even if they were preserved they wouldn’t be easily retrievable. The other copies would be scattered among all the other e-mails.

    There are some definite work e-mail she did not trun over, like with Petraeus in the Pentagon. She only turned over, for the most part, e-mail to and from state.gov addresses and the White House.
    ,

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/612721/

    there’s not a bit of difference

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  57. putting a server in a bathroom closet, what gave you that impression,

    narciso (732bc0)

  58. Judge Curiel is a crimalein loving hack for Laraza, and the people that brought forth the suit against Trump U have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the grifter Clinton. f all you Clinton republicans.

    mg (31009b)

  59. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/31/2016 @ 10:30 pm

    It’s almost like it might be because she’s hiding something, eh?

    There is no reasonable explanation except that she was hiding something (and didn’t want even the NSA or FBI counterintelligence to see it)

    There can’t be any secret subpoenas to a server you yourself possess.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  60. yes, I was about to point that out,

    http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/exclusive-law-firm-behind-trump-university-lawsuit-gave-big-money-to-the-clintons/

    there’s no deck that isn’t with invisible ink, but you need the lemon juice,

    narciso (732bc0)

  61. I think what was in the converted bathroom closet in Colorado was something else. That’s not where the e-mail was archived. That was in Bill Clinton’s office in Harlem (not Chappaqua – I think they found that out)

    Later, after this became public they moved the server to New Jersey.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  62. Platte River Networks of Denver, Colorado was in charge of maintaining the software running clintonemail.com.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481)

  63. she was violating the law by keeping the server, by covering it up, by having unsecure communications leaking to interested parties from beijing to st. petersberg,

    narciso (732bc0)

  64. Sammy,

    Hillary says that the deleted emails were just a bunch of silly private emails about yoga and Chelsea’s wedding. I wonder why she would go to so much trouble to prevent people from seeing her emails about yoga.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  65. nathan thurm is tedious,

    narciso (732bc0)

  66. Later, after this became public they moved the server to New Jersey.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb1481) — 5/31/2016 @ 10:41 pm

    Yeah… probably out to teh Pine Barrens, where they put two slugs right behind its right ear…

    Colonel Haiku (b3205b)

  67. As someone reminded me,french’s cv is much like joe Miller’s remember him, he was runover by rove and Cornyn in the snows of Alaska.

    narciso (732bc0)

  68. French is a cheap amalgam of Cruz and Kristol’s previous mancrush Cotton. Me thinks either Cotton was approached first or French is a trial balloon for the Cruz Cotton.

    urbanleftbehind (ccd33e)

  69. Well Colton couldn’t get anyone interested in the Rhodes roadshow, they valued their silverware too much.

    narciso (732bc0)

  70. Would you have assumed that, and repeated it to the media, after being explicitly told it was not true?

    I would have been truthful and said I believed it at the time, I would not stick with the belief itself going forward.

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