Trump on the Judge in His Fraud Trial: He’s Mexican
He’s not, actually. But why worry about facts? WSJ:
“What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine,” Mr. Trump said.
Judge Curiel was born in Indiana.
Why bring it up at all?
You know why.
Preparing the ground to blame a bad result on the judge.
Patterico (2cb3d8) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:00 pmHe also said that the judge had better consider that he might be President.
Which could be interpreted as a threat.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:08 pmAlso discussed here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/27/in-san-diego-trump-shames-local-mexican-judge-as-protesters-storm-streets/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pp-trump-945pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:10 pmHe also asked the crowd to “investigate” the judge.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:10 pmhe’s one of them sleazy judges what food stamp appointed
this is why it’s so important that we don’t let porta potty win
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:14 pmTrump’s energy speech – that’s why the guy who is spearheading democrat attorney generals to silence global warming skeptics is running this prosecutor misconduct.
It’s New York’s version of Ronnie Earl, Eric Schneidermann. In office because of an “it rhymes with spiderman” bounce.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:20 pmthat’s such a great speech
it shows how dedicated Mr. Trump is to creating jobs
whereas porta potty, she’s just dedicated to creating dampness and acridity
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:22 pmIn addition to his pledge to pull out of the Paris climate deal, Trump promised to only work with “environmentalists whose only agenda is protecting nature” and to “focus on real environmental challenges, not the phony ones”.
he’s admirably clear-sighted you have to give him that
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:30 pmTotally impossible that Trump is right about the judge. We all know judges are as pure as the driven snow. They should all be above criticism – especially if that criticism implies or suggests a particular judge might be a political enemy of a defendant, due to sympathy for people of a particular ethic background that are thought to have been unfairly maligned by that defendant, or God forbid membership in an opposing political allegiance.
Whatever we do, let’s not read the legal briefs and analyze the facts alleged in such a lawsuit. Instead let’s agree that all federal judges should be above reproach from defendants, or at least candidates for office that are also defendants. Said individuals who criticize judges always have a hidden agenda that is unseemly and ignoble. Their criticisms should be flatly and roundly dismissed without examination by all reasonable people.
School Marm (f96753) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:36 pmhey sista go sista soul sista flow sista
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:40 pmTrump knew it wasn’t true. He used the caveat: “We believe”
The diffference between Hillary Clinton lying and Donald Trump lying is this: Hillary Clinton usually sticks to her lies; Donald Trump frequently abandons them.
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 12:53 pmTrump could have accused Judge Curiel of political bias, anyway, and cited the fact he was Hispanic; but Trump has also said that American-born, old-time Hispanics do not oppose his position on immigration, so he had to be made “Mexican” (whatever that means) if he was supposed to be biased against him for that reason.
Actually, Trump noticed a problem right away with this assertion, while he was saying it! even when done using the word Mexican, and not Hispanic:
So they’re not biased!
So why is the judge biased? I guess we’re left with that he was appointed by Barack Obama, and, accordng to Trump, his rulings till now on this case have been negative toward him again and again.
– quote extracted from http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-judge-trump-university-case-election-2016/
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:09 pmyes yes Mr. F
sleazy food stamp judges are sleazy
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:12 pmtell you what though
Mr. Trump’s getting somewhere about ten thousand times more judicial scrutiny than failmerica’s corrupt justice system will ever do on hillary
she’s entirely above the law
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:14 pmNew term earns moderation. See if you can guess what it is. See if you can identify a theme. See how you want to react.
Patterico (2cb3d8) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:16 pmi already nailed it Mr. P
not unlike the chinese peasant
i route around
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:18 pmI notice you did not include the rest of what he said. I watched that speech in full. His complaint was not that the guy was Mexican, but if you watched the video, you know this.
Valerie (66c747) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:36 pmPatterico, I just don’t get it.
You keep telling the guy to knock it off.
He keep stinking up your site.
There are other people banned for being persistently jerky. Rightfully so.
As I have said repeated (and this is true of Trump, not coincidentally) a lot of the vulgar and insulting language is a choice, and not necessary. Yet it persists.
Simon Jester (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:49 pm@Valerie Previopusly, his complaint had been that the judge was Hispanic. The media just reported what he started to say.
He actually sort of shifted gears right away, realizing that to say Judge Curiel was biased because he was Hispanic, or Mexican, or whatever Trump wants to say, contradicted his oft-repeated (and still operative) claim that Hispanics are not put off by his poosition on immigration, and will vote for him.
So what he was left with was the claim that the judge was biased because he was a Democrat, or because he had a record of ruling againwt him.
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:03 pmi decry that woman yes I do
she has a record of selling policy decisions to America’s enemies
whereas Mr. Trump is guilty of what
of being persistently insouciant and from the wrong class of people for to be allowed into the elite and scented gardens of failmerica’s corrupt and stagnant politics
i abjure this elitism
nobody’s ever won as fair and square as Mr. The Donald
he was outspent by every candidate
he had the least sophisticated political organization
all he brought to the table was a message
this is extraordinary
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:03 pmwhat’s so perplexing is
it’s exactly your brand of butt-puckered political correctness what’s propelled Mr. Trump to victory Mr. Jester
sweetie pickles
you’re part of the problem
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:12 pmI decry that Jerry Epstein’s Caribbean pedophile buddy will return to the White House!
Oh. Wait.
Steve57 (2aedfb) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:18 pmHey Simon. Still alive?
There was some question if you were pushing the daisies earlier.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:21 pm**Drying my eyes** Imagine my joy.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:23 pm” His complaint was not that the guy was Mexican, but if you watched the video, you know this.”
I love how you don’t bother to address _why_ Trump felt the need to say the judge was Mexican.
SPQR (a3a747) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:24 pmoh dear
he was politically incorrect again Mr. SPQR?
someone needs to have a talk with that boy
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:27 pmOh, Mr. Feet.
You do your cause little good.
And I think you are trying to push Patterico into banning your vulgar lazy backside from this site. Or at least daring him to do so.
Look: there are lots of Trump supporters who contribute here positively or at least affirmatively.
You are just a lazy silly and endlessly hypocritical jackwagon.
And that’s not just my opinion. There are a lot of folks who thought you were too precious for words a while back.
Where are they now?
I will bet you cash money that the other Trump supporters who post here kind of wish you would shut your mouth.
I know you would act quite differently in person, where you personally had to stand up for your insults and vulgarity. I would, for example, adore seeing you stand right next to Steve and repeat your comments on the military.
But you are lazy and safe on the internet.
Sooner or later, you will push Patterico too far by dropping your offal into the punch bowl here.
Again: how many people have you offended sufficiently to drive away from Patterico’s site?
And if you say that they are cowards, well, you could always have your own Stormfront site, couldn’t you?
I’m sure folks would just flock to hear your witticisms.
But you are so freaking lazy you would rather stink up a site someone else pays good money for.
Such a loser.
Simon Jester (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:27 pmi’m a driver i’m a winner
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:28 pmhappyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:03 pm
Selling (?) policy decisions to Vladimir Putin, or seeming to.
This is one of those rare cases where we can see the quo, but it’s hard to figure out what the quid is.
With Hillary, it’s the opposite:
We see the quid, (all that money going to the Clinton Foundation and her and Bill) but we’re not so sure about the quo.
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:29 pmVery classy, papertiger. I would note that I would not make jokes about you being dead.
What the hell is wrong with you people?
Simon Jester (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:29 pmOverall, I’m in agreement with Simon Jester. Ban hf already. With a palladium-infused adamantite banhammer.
John Hitchcock (bf5f0a) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:30 pmIt’s all a choice, John.
Free speech is a wonderful thing.
But the “broken window” idea has merit.
I honestly wouldn’t mind if there were some reasonable comments instead of nonsense.
Oh well.
Simon Jester (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:34 pmyeah Mr. F I honestly don’t see what’s in it for Mr. Trump to sell policy decisions to Mr. Putin
I think he’s gonna try hard to be a good president
which is a huge effing improvement over what we have now
from listening to him, i think he’s learned lessons both from the bush fiasco and from food stamp’s blighted job-raping tenure as well
if Mr. Trump prevails over jigglebritches?
it is all good in this here hood
i promise
compared to obama it’s gonna be like hilton’s shangri-la
i get a little emotional thinking about it
free at last
free at last
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:35 pmUpdated Saturday, May 28, 2016 | 5:22 p.m.
WASHINGTON (AP) — It’s date night for President Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle.
Obama is treating the first lady to a Mexican meal at the restaurant Oyamel in Washington’s Penn Quarter neighborhood.
The Obamas have dined several times at the establishment owned by celebrity chef and Obama supporter Jose Andres.
Obama returned late Friday from a weeklong visit to Vietnam and Japan.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:43 pmfree speech is wonderful but
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:49 pmSpic?
Steve57 (2aedfb) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:50 pmoh no pikachu
free speech is okay what other people pay for it
your orange daisy wants to sue people for it
suey suey suey
trumpyfeet (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:56 pmTrump earned renewed contempt from me when he said the spic judge didn’t dismiss the lawsuit because the Donald was “strong” on the the border.
He wasn’t strong on the border.
So says the Dago from Dallas. Briefly the WOP from Waco.
And I can prove it. All of it except for the WOP part because it axiomatically means WithOut Papers.
Steve57 (2aedfb) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:56 pmJester – I’m glad you’re here. What are you thinking?
I don’t assume the worst of my fellow Pattericons. Whatever other faults I may have.
Pleased that you still are sharing my planet. Don’t mind the mess. We got maid service.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:03 pmI did think it pretty funny when P said he was going to start editing certain words and hf dared him to thinking P wouldn’t do it…
then hf posted “Oh.”…
Unlike the wizard of oz, the man behind the curtain does have influence
and trumpyfeet and sadfeet seem to have his number
(e.g.- “see what I did there”- classic!)
Maybe I have developed an immunity to him or something, Simon,
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:15 pmWhereas you have developed a hypersensitivity reaction…
And I notice that even mentioning the judge’s heritage isn’t unusual for you. It’s thoughtlessness like yours that gives the left open license to slander and smear conservatives with charges of racism.
Bill H (971e5f) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:17 pmSteve57 really? Trump said word for word “The spic judge didn’t dismiss the lawsuit because the Donald was “strong” on the the border’“?
I’m calling it. (YouTube)
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:18 pmyes, the judges previous record is of concern,
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/taxonomy/term/20681
he seems to worship the skydragon over say small children and animals.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:21 pmNo, Steve. WOP is not from Without Papers. It is from guapo, literally “handsome” but used in Italy pejoratively like “dandy” or “pretty-boy” for hoodlums. So if the Borsalino fits ….
(As a matter of fact there is a movie about that milieu, with two pretty-boy actors, called “Borsalino”.)
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:39 pmisn’t borsalino about corsicans in france, with delon,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:40 pmI’d fire a client like that. But then, I would not have a Trump for a client in the first place.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:41 pmYeah, that’s the one.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:41 pmI did recall that bit,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065486/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:47 pmtransparency is a wonderful thing,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/274110-clinton-foundation-not-very-welcoming-to-state-department-investigator/
but that’s how chagoury and tinobo and hsouni (sic) do their business,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:48 pmIt’s thoughtlessness like yours that gives the left open license to slander and smear conservatives with charges of racism.
Question I wake to in the morning and pass out with at night: “What’s my popularity with my fellow white people?”
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 3:59 pmshut up
ur white?
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 4:01 pmSort a
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 4:08 pmthe ethnicity of a given person does not condition any particular behavior, some of my paisans in high school were as insufferable as the punks in school ties,
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/281638-gop-senator-clintons-email-could-have-led-to-russian
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 4:15 pmMore reflector tape than white.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 4:15 pmalthough this happened in 2014, so a poser,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 4:26 pmfood stamp’s war on coal just lowers coal prices for the rest of the whirl
we have so much surplus to export now
we’re like the chinesers and steel
everybody say ooh
alright
dance music sex romance
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:02 pmsome promises he does keep ‘electricity prices, will naturally skyrocket’ and red queen seems intent on following through, this is why steyer is getting into the act,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:10 pmThere’s nothing wrong with phasing out coal, if we replace it with something better. Which would be almost anything, from nuclear to gas to hydroelectric.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:10 pmyes, but we must appease the skydragons first, so no gas and probably no nuclear, mutants don’t you know,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:12 pmI think also Trump said in court papers a few months ago that the judge was biased against him because he was Hispanic.
Outside of court, though, he’s been claiming that, contrary to general perception. Hispanics support him.
Here’s the full (rambling and somewhat incoherent) text of what Trump said, from the web site DRJ linked. Josh Blackman says the transcript is based on the closed captioning, but corrected: (I also tried to repunctuate it, and added some words in brackets for clarification, but didn’t listen to it yet. Blackman has some notes in brackets already)
http://joshblackman.com/blog/2016/05/27/donald-trumps-dangerous-attack-on-u-s-district-judge-gonzalo-curiel-and-the-rigged-federal-judiciary/
He finally finished the thought. “Wouldn’t it be wild?”
I noticed now he also resolved the contradiction between the judge being biased against him because he is of Mexican background (never mind that the case goes back before he launched his campaogn) abd him getting the support of Mexicans. He said:
The problem here is he says that’s after he gets them jobs. But that would be after he is president and not before Noveber, but before November is what he’s been telling the RNC and everybody else! In fact he sayd they are already with him.
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:44 pmI’goina havteata thunk elswgere,
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:24 amI think Trump’s defense in the lawsuit, which he has a hard time articulating, bt which he seems to be trying to say in that video, is that only a small percentage of the people who paid for “Trump University” were dis-satisfied (because they filled out these surveys) so how can it be a legitimate class action lawsuit?
But they filled them out too early, and the “professors” were telling them if they didn’t get a good rating they could be fired, which was even somewhat true, and they were supposed to get practical help and coaching in the future, and they’d lose out if they said it was all no good. And anyway, a lot of people saying they had no problem, which is something nobody contends happened here, doesn’t invalidate a class action lawsuit.
Sammy Finkelman (ae45c5) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:27 pmTesting, testing … failamerica failamerica ….
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:14 pmNope, it wasn’t that one ….
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:14 pmporta potty … testing, one two three …
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:15 pmNope. I’m stumped.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:15 pm“Curiel was born in East Chicago, Indiana,[1][2] to Mexican parents.” from his Wiki…
More importantly he’s a Democrat and an Obama appointee….
Roux (f6410c) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:38 pm“Mexican” is, of course, Trump’s word for Hispanic.
Icy (4f33a9) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:42 pmIn this, he and quite a few of his followers are simpatico.
I thought someone had died, icy,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:44 pmIcy, you keep up with the simpatico talk and I may deny you the limoncellolo.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:49 pmLimoncello. Limoncello. My keyboard is screwed up and sometimes it takes a while for the letters to show up.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:55 pmyou should see what autocorrect did with romans it turned it into years, bias much,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:57 pmI am a deeply weird guy.
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c4/8c/a6/c48ca63d11fcff314b37bb582c7b75a5.jpg
Baja Bus.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:18 pmSteve57 of the Vanagon.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:21 pmIf correct usage hasn’t already died, then autocorrect (with perhaps a little help from Mr. “the blacks”, “the woman’s card”, etc) will finish it off.
Icy (4f33a9) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:41 pmNo, it doesn’t. It’s derived from “guappo”, meaning a swaggerer.
It dates from the 1910s; acronym-derived words don’t come into the language until the 1940s. Any time you hear that a word is derived from an acronym, and you know the word to be older than the 1940s, then you know that what you heard is false. (Initialisms, such as “OK”, were popular in America in the early 19th century. But it would never have occurred to anyone then to pronounce it “ock”.)
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/31/2016 @ 7:39 amOK, Milhouse. I like that better. I’ve had plenty of insults thrown my way. Swaggerer would be the least of them.
My Uncle Tony was in Naples just after WWII. I’m not sure if it just ended in Italy.
So this street hawker was calling out to the Sailors, “Hey, merde de cano, you like?”
Thinking if he said it fast enough nobody would catch it.
Uncle Tony was in no mood.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/31/2016 @ 12:21 pmMy family is from Salerno. We don’t pronounce the last vowel. Merde de can.
We get along with Neopolitans just fine, once we get a few things worked out.
Uncle Tony worked it out.
The northerners call us all Africani.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/31/2016 @ 12:30 pmYesterday, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Trump was back again to saying the judge was biased because he is Mexican (and presumably opposes his policies and presidential campaign)
He added a new source of bias: The judge and one of the lawyers both worked as prosecutors in the same office at the same time, which Trump made into them being friends.
However, he has not asked for the judge to recuse himself, although he told the WSJ, he might.
It is not in his interets actually to do so. The judge is not biased, and he’d get the same rulings from another judge, but without the ability to claim bias.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/3/2016 @ 12:15 pm