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Trump on the Judge in His Fraud Trial: He’s Mexican

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 11:59 am

He’s not, actually. But why worry about facts? WSJ:

“What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine,” Mr. Trump said.

Judge Curiel was born in Indiana.

Why bring it up at all?

You know why.

79 Responses to “Trump on the Judge in His Fraud Trial: He’s Mexican”

  1. Preparing the ground to blame a bad result on the judge.

    Patterico (2cb3d8)

  2. He also said that the judge had better consider that he might be President.

    “I’ll be seeing you in November, either as president…” Trump said, trailing off

    Which could be interpreted as a threat.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  3. He also asked the crowd to “investigate” the judge.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  4. he’s one of them sleazy judges what food stamp appointed

    this is why it’s so important that we don’t let porta potty win

    happyfeet (831175)

  5. Trump’s energy speech – that’s why the guy who is spearheading democrat attorney generals to silence global warming skeptics is running this prosecutor misconduct.

    It’s New York’s version of Ronnie Earl, Eric Schneidermann. In office because of an “it rhymes with spiderman” bounce.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  6. that’s such a great speech

    it shows how dedicated Mr. Trump is to creating jobs

    whereas porta potty, she’s just dedicated to creating dampness and acridity

    happyfeet (831175)

  7. In addition to his pledge to pull out of the Paris climate deal, Trump promised to only work with “environmentalists whose only agenda is protecting nature” and to “focus on real environmental challenges, not the phony ones”.

    he’s admirably clear-sighted you have to give him that

    happyfeet (831175)

  8. Totally impossible that Trump is right about the judge. We all know judges are as pure as the driven snow. They should all be above criticism – especially if that criticism implies or suggests a particular judge might be a political enemy of a defendant, due to sympathy for people of a particular ethic background that are thought to have been unfairly maligned by that defendant, or God forbid membership in an opposing political allegiance.

    Whatever we do, let’s not read the legal briefs and analyze the facts alleged in such a lawsuit. Instead let’s agree that all federal judges should be above reproach from defendants, or at least candidates for office that are also defendants. Said individuals who criticize judges always have a hidden agenda that is unseemly and ignoble. Their criticisms should be flatly and roundly dismissed without examination by all reasonable people.

    School Marm (f96753)

  9. hey sista go sista soul sista flow sista

    happyfeet (831175)

  10. Trump knew it wasn’t true. He used the caveat: “We believe”

    The diffference between Hillary Clinton lying and Donald Trump lying is this: Hillary Clinton usually sticks to her lies; Donald Trump frequently abandons them.

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  11. Trump could have accused Judge Curiel of political bias, anyway, and cited the fact he was Hispanic; but Trump has also said that American-born, old-time Hispanics do not oppose his position on immigration, so he had to be made “Mexican” (whatever that means) if he was supposed to be biased against him for that reason.

    Actually, Trump noticed a problem right away with this assertion, while he was saying it! even when done using the word Mexican, and not Hispanic:

    “What happens is the judge, who happens to be — we believe — Mexican. [thinks that over for a second] Which is great. I think that’s fine. “You know what? I think the Mexicans are going to end up loving Donald Trump when I give all these jobs, OK?”

    So they’re not biased!

    So why is the judge biased? I guess we’re left with that he was appointed by Barack Obama, and, accordng to Trump, his rulings till now on this case have been negative toward him again and again.

    – quote extracted from

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  12. yes yes Mr. F

    sleazy food stamp judges are sleazy

    happyfeet (831175)

  13. tell you what though

    Mr. Trump’s getting somewhere about ten thousand times more judicial scrutiny than failmerica’s corrupt justice system will ever do on hillary

    she’s entirely above the law

    happyfeet (831175)

  14. New term earns moderation. See if you can guess what it is. See if you can identify a theme. See how you want to react.

    Patterico (2cb3d8)

  15. i already nailed it Mr. P

    not unlike the chinese peasant

    i route around

    happyfeet (831175)

  16. I notice you did not include the rest of what he said. I watched that speech in full. His complaint was not that the guy was Mexican, but if you watched the video, you know this.

    Valerie (66c747)

  17. Patterico, I just don’t get it.

    You keep telling the guy to knock it off.

    He keep stinking up your site.

    There are other people banned for being persistently jerky. Rightfully so.

    As I have said repeated (and this is true of Trump, not coincidentally) a lot of the vulgar and insulting language is a choice, and not necessary. Yet it persists.

    Simon Jester (1d2cec)

  18. @Valerie Previopusly, his complaint had been that the judge was Hispanic. The media just reported what he started to say.

    He actually sort of shifted gears right away, realizing that to say Judge Curiel was biased because he was Hispanic, or Mexican, or whatever Trump wants to say, contradicted his oft-repeated (and still operative) claim that Hispanics are not put off by his poosition on immigration, and will vote for him.

    So what he was left with was the claim that the judge was biased because he was a Democrat, or because he had a record of ruling againwt him.

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  19. i decry that woman yes I do

    she has a record of selling policy decisions to America’s enemies

    whereas Mr. Trump is guilty of what

    of being persistently insouciant and from the wrong class of people for to be allowed into the elite and scented gardens of failmerica’s corrupt and stagnant politics

    i abjure this elitism

    nobody’s ever won as fair and square as Mr. The Donald

    he was outspent by every candidate

    he had the least sophisticated political organization

    all he brought to the table was a message

    this is extraordinary

    happyfeet (831175)

  20. what’s so perplexing is

    it’s exactly your brand of butt-puckered political correctness what’s propelled Mr. Trump to victory Mr. Jester

    sweetie pickles

    you’re part of the problem

    happyfeet (831175)

  21. I decry that Jerry Epstein’s Caribbean pedophile buddy will return to the White House!

    Oh. Wait.

    Steve57 (2aedfb)

  22. Hey Simon. Still alive?

    There was some question if you were pushing the daisies earlier.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  23. **Drying my eyes** Imagine my joy.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  24. ” His complaint was not that the guy was Mexican, but if you watched the video, you know this.

    I love how you don’t bother to address _why_ Trump felt the need to say the judge was Mexican.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  25. oh dear

    he was politically incorrect again Mr. SPQR?

    someone needs to have a talk with that boy

    happyfeet (831175)

  26. Oh, Mr. Feet.

    You do your cause little good.

    And I think you are trying to push Patterico into banning your vulgar lazy backside from this site. Or at least daring him to do so.

    Look: there are lots of Trump supporters who contribute here positively or at least affirmatively.

    You are just a lazy silly and endlessly hypocritical jackwagon.

    And that’s not just my opinion. There are a lot of folks who thought you were too precious for words a while back.

    Where are they now?

    I will bet you cash money that the other Trump supporters who post here kind of wish you would shut your mouth.

    I know you would act quite differently in person, where you personally had to stand up for your insults and vulgarity. I would, for example, adore seeing you stand right next to Steve and repeat your comments on the military.

    But you are lazy and safe on the internet.

    Sooner or later, you will push Patterico too far by dropping your offal into the punch bowl here.

    Again: how many people have you offended sufficiently to drive away from Patterico’s site?

    And if you say that they are cowards, well, you could always have your own Stormfront site, couldn’t you?

    I’m sure folks would just flock to hear your witticisms.

    But you are so freaking lazy you would rather stink up a site someone else pays good money for.

    Such a loser.

    Simon Jester (1d2cec)

  27. i’m a driver i’m a winner

    happyfeet (831175)

  28. happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 2:03 pm

    whereas Mr. Trump is guilty of what

    Selling (?) policy decisions to Vladimir Putin, or seeming to.

    This is one of those rare cases where we can see the quo, but it’s hard to figure out what the quid is.

    With Hillary, it’s the opposite:

    We see the quid, (all that money going to the Clinton Foundation and her and Bill) but we’re not so sure about the quo.

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  29. Very classy, papertiger. I would note that I would not make jokes about you being dead.

    What the hell is wrong with you people?

    Simon Jester (1d2cec)

  30. Overall, I’m in agreement with Simon Jester. Ban hf already. With a palladium-infused adamantite banhammer.

    John Hitchcock (bf5f0a)

  31. It’s all a choice, John.

    Free speech is a wonderful thing.

    But the “broken window” idea has merit.

    I honestly wouldn’t mind if there were some reasonable comments instead of nonsense.

    Oh well.

    Simon Jester (1d2cec)

  32. yeah Mr. F I honestly don’t see what’s in it for Mr. Trump to sell policy decisions to Mr. Putin

    I think he’s gonna try hard to be a good president

    which is a huge effing improvement over what we have now

    from listening to him, i think he’s learned lessons both from the bush fiasco and from food stamp’s blighted job-raping tenure as well

    if Mr. Trump prevails over jigglebritches?

    it is all good in this here hood

    i promise

    compared to obama it’s gonna be like hilton’s shangri-la

    i get a little emotional thinking about it

    free at last

    free at last

    happyfeet (831175)

  33. Updated Saturday, May 28, 2016 | 5:22 p.m.

    WASHINGTON (AP) — It’s date night for President Barack Obama and his wife, Michelle.

    Obama is treating the first lady to a Mexican meal at the restaurant Oyamel in Washington’s Penn Quarter neighborhood.

    The Obamas have dined several times at the establishment owned by celebrity chef and Obama supporter Jose Andres.

    Obama returned late Friday from a weeklong visit to Vietnam and Japan.

    happyfeet (831175)

  34. free speech is wonderful but

    happyfeet (831175)

  35. 15. New term earns moderation. See if you can guess what it is. See if you can identify a theme. See how you want to react.
    Patterico (2cb3d8) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:16 pm


    Steve57 (2aedfb)

  36. oh no pikachu

    free speech is okay what other people pay for it

    your orange daisy wants to sue people for it

    suey suey suey

    trumpyfeet (1d2cec)

  37. Trump earned renewed contempt from me when he said the spic judge didn’t dismiss the lawsuit because the Donald was “strong” on the the border.

    He wasn’t strong on the border.

    So says the Dago from Dallas. Briefly the WOP from Waco.

    And I can prove it. All of it except for the WOP part because it axiomatically means WithOut Papers.

    Steve57 (2aedfb)

  38. Jester – I’m glad you’re here. What are you thinking?

    I don’t assume the worst of my fellow Pattericons. Whatever other faults I may have.

    Pleased that you still are sharing my planet. Don’t mind the mess. We got maid service.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  39. I did think it pretty funny when P said he was going to start editing certain words and hf dared him to thinking P wouldn’t do it…
    then hf posted “Oh.”…
    Unlike the wizard of oz, the man behind the curtain does have influence
    and trumpyfeet and sadfeet seem to have his number
    (e.g.- “see what I did there”- classic!)

    Maybe I have developed an immunity to him or something, Simon,
    Whereas you have developed a hypersensitivity reaction…

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  40. I notice you did not include the rest of what he said. I watched that speech in full. His complaint was not that the guy was Mexican, but if you watched the video, you know this.

    Valerie (66c747) — 5/29/2016 @ 1:36 pm

    And I notice that even mentioning the judge’s heritage isn’t unusual for you. It’s thoughtlessness like yours that gives the left open license to slander and smear conservatives with charges of racism.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  41. Steve57 really? Trump said word for word “The spic judge didn’t dismiss the lawsuit because the Donald was “strong” on the the border’“?

    I’m calling it. (YouTube)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  42. yes, the judges previous record is of concern,

    he seems to worship the skydragon over say small children and animals.

    narciso (732bc0)

  43. No, Steve. WOP is not from Without Papers. It is from guapo, literally “handsome” but used in Italy pejoratively like “dandy” or “pretty-boy” for hoodlums. So if the Borsalino fits ….

    (As a matter of fact there is a movie about that milieu, with two pretty-boy actors, called “Borsalino”.)

    nk (dbc370)

  44. isn’t borsalino about corsicans in france, with delon,

    narciso (732bc0)

  45. I’d fire a client like that. But then, I would not have a Trump for a client in the first place.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. Yeah, that’s the one.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. I did recall that bit,

    narciso (732bc0)

  48. transparency is a wonderful thing,

    but that’s how chagoury and tinobo and hsouni (sic) do their business,

    narciso (732bc0)

  49. It’s thoughtlessness like yours that gives the left open license to slander and smear conservatives with charges of racism.

    Question I wake to in the morning and pass out with at night: “What’s my popularity with my fellow white people?”

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  50. shut up

    ur white?

    happyfeet (831175)

  51. Sort a

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  52. the ethnicity of a given person does not condition any particular behavior, some of my paisans in high school were as insufferable as the punks in school ties,

    narciso (732bc0)

  53. More reflector tape than white.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  54. although this happened in 2014, so a poser,

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. food stamp’s war on coal just lowers coal prices for the rest of the whirl

    we have so much surplus to export now

    we’re like the chinesers and steel

    everybody say ooh


    dance music sex romance

    happyfeet (831175)

  56. some promises he does keep ‘electricity prices, will naturally skyrocket’ and red queen seems intent on following through, this is why steyer is getting into the act,

    narciso (732bc0)

  57. There’s nothing wrong with phasing out coal, if we replace it with something better. Which would be almost anything, from nuclear to gas to hydroelectric.

    nk (dbc370)

  58. yes, but we must appease the skydragons first, so no gas and probably no nuclear, mutants don’t you know,

    narciso (732bc0)

  59. I think also Trump said in court papers a few months ago that the judge was biased against him because he was Hispanic.

    Outside of court, though, he’s been claiming that, contrary to general perception. Hispanics support him.

    Here’s the full (rambling and somewhat incoherent) text of what Trump said, from the web site DRJ linked. Josh Blackman says the transcript is based on the closed captioning, but corrected: (I also tried to repunctuate it, and added some words in brackets for clarification, but didn’t listen to it yet. Blackman has some notes in brackets already)

    Does everybody have a little time? [cheers and applause]

    So I end up with a lawsuit, and it ends up in San Diego in federal court.

    It is a disgrace the way the federal court is acting, because it is a simple lawsuit. Everybody that took the so-called course [is a plaintiff]. Trump University is in San Diego. The trial, they wanted it to start while I am running for president. [But] the trial is going to take place sometime in November.

    There should be no trial. This should have been dismissed on summary judgment easily. Everybody says it, but I have a judge who is a hater of Donald trump. He’s a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curial. And he is not doing the right thing.

    I figure what the hell? Why not talk about it for two minutes. Should I talk about it? Yes? [cheers and applause]

    So we should have won. . . .

    But I am getting railroaded by a legal system, and frankly they should be ashamed. I will be here in November. Hey, if I win as president… [he will later come back to this thought and finish it]

    It is a civil case. I could have settled this case numerous times. But I don’t want to settle cases when we are right. I don’t believe in it. When you start settling cases, do you know what happens? Everybody sues you because you get known as a settler. One thing about me, I am not known as the settler. And people understand with this whole thing, with this whole deal with the lawyers, class action lawyers are the worst. It is a scam.

    Here is what happens. We are in front of a very hostile judge. The judge was appointed by – by Barrack Obama – federal judge. [Boos].

    Frankly he should recuse himself. He has given us ruling after ruling, negative, negative, negative. I have a top lawyer who said he has never seen anything like this before.

    So what happens is we get sued. We have a Magistrate named William Gallo who truly hates us. The good news is it is a jury trial. We can even get a fully [?] jury. We are entitled to a jury, and we want a jury of 12 people. And you are going to watch.

    First of all, it should be dismissed. Watch how we win it was…

    I have been treated unfairly. Very much like with the veterans, where I raised all that money, but on Tuesday I am announcing all of the groups we are giving almost $6 million to. You turn things around.

    Here is the story: We have a law firm named Robin Skeller. It is the spin-off of two law firms. Two of those partners went to jail for an extended period of time for doing very bad things legally. This same group is the lawyers [we are up] against.

    So what happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican – which is great. I think that is fine. You know what? I think the Mexicans are going to end up loving Donald Trump when I give all these jobs. I think they are going to love it. I think they are going to love me. . . .

    A lot of people said before you run you should settle. I said I don’t care. The people understand it. And they use it. [against him in the campaign]

    So when I have 10,000 people, and when we have mostly unbelievable reviews, how do you settle? And in fact, when the case started originally, I said how can I settle when I have a review like this? Now I should have settled, but I am glad I didn’t. I will be seeing you in November either as president. [He still doesn’t finish the thought. Not yet]

    And I will say this: I have all these great reviews, but I will say this: I think Judge Curiel should be ashamed of himself. I think it is a disgrace he is doing this. I look forward to going before a jury – not this judge – and we will win that trial. We will win that trial. Check it out. Check it out, folks.

    You know, I tell this to people. November 28. I think it is scheduled for. It should not be a trial. It should be a summary judgment dismissal. . . .

    It is a disgrace. It is a rigged system. I had a rigged system, except we won by so much. This court system, the judges in this court system, federal court. They ought to look into Judge Curiel because what Judge Curiel is doing is a total disgrace. OK? But we will come back in November.

    Wouldn’t that be wild if I am president and come back and do a civil case? Where everybody likes it. OK. This is called life, folks. . . .

    He finally finished the thought. “Wouldn’t it be wild?”

    I noticed now he also resolved the contradiction between the judge being biased against him because he is of Mexican background (never mind that the case goes back before he launched his campaogn) abd him getting the support of Mexicans. He said:

    Mexicans are going to end up loving Donald Trump.

    The problem here is he says that’s after he gets them jobs. But that would be after he is president and not before Noveber, but before November is what he’s been telling the RNC and everybody else! In fact he sayd they are already with him.

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  60. I’goina havteata thunk elswgere,

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  61. I think Trump’s defense in the lawsuit, which he has a hard time articulating, bt which he seems to be trying to say in that video, is that only a small percentage of the people who paid for “Trump University” were dis-satisfied (because they filled out these surveys) so how can it be a legitimate class action lawsuit?

    But they filled them out too early, and the “professors” were telling them if they didn’t get a good rating they could be fired, which was even somewhat true, and they were supposed to get practical help and coaching in the future, and they’d lose out if they said it was all no good. And anyway, a lot of people saying they had no problem, which is something nobody contends happened here, doesn’t invalidate a class action lawsuit.

    Sammy Finkelman (ae45c5)

  62. Testing, testing … failamerica failamerica ….

    Beldar (fa637a)

  63. Nope, it wasn’t that one ….

    Beldar (fa637a)

  64. porta potty … testing, one two three …

    Beldar (fa637a)

  65. Nope. I’m stumped.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  66. “Curiel was born in East Chicago, Indiana,[1][2] to Mexican parents.” from his Wiki…

    More importantly he’s a Democrat and an Obama appointee….

    Roux (f6410c)

  67. “Mexican” is, of course, Trump’s word for Hispanic.
    In this, he and quite a few of his followers are simpatico.

    Icy (4f33a9)

  68. I thought someone had died, icy,

    narciso (732bc0)

  69. Icy, you keep up with the simpatico talk and I may deny you the limoncellolo.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  70. Limoncello. Limoncello. My keyboard is screwed up and sometimes it takes a while for the letters to show up.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  71. you should see what autocorrect did with romans it turned it into years, bias much,

    narciso (732bc0)

  72. Steve57 of the Vanagon.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  73. If correct usage hasn’t already died, then autocorrect (with perhaps a little help from Mr. “the blacks”, “the woman’s card”, etc) will finish it off.

    Icy (4f33a9)

  74. All of it except for the WOP part because it axiomatically means WithOut Papers.

    No, it doesn’t. It’s derived from “guappo”, meaning a swaggerer.

    It dates from the 1910s; acronym-derived words don’t come into the language until the 1940s. Any time you hear that a word is derived from an acronym, and you know the word to be older than the 1940s, then you know that what you heard is false. (Initialisms, such as “OK”, were popular in America in the early 19th century. But it would never have occurred to anyone then to pronounce it “ock”.)

    Milhouse (87c499)

  75. OK, Milhouse. I like that better. I’ve had plenty of insults thrown my way. Swaggerer would be the least of them.

    My Uncle Tony was in Naples just after WWII. I’m not sure if it just ended in Italy.

    So this street hawker was calling out to the Sailors, “Hey, merde de cano, you like?”

    Thinking if he said it fast enough nobody would catch it.

    Uncle Tony was in no mood.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  76. My family is from Salerno. We don’t pronounce the last vowel. Merde de can.

    We get along with Neopolitans just fine, once we get a few things worked out.

    Uncle Tony worked it out.

    The northerners call us all Africani.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  77. Yesterday, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Trump was back again to saying the judge was biased because he is Mexican (and presumably opposes his policies and presidential campaign)

    He added a new source of bias: The judge and one of the lawyers both worked as prosecutors in the same office at the same time, which Trump made into them being friends.

    However, he has not asked for the judge to recuse himself, although he told the WSJ, he might.

    It is not in his interets actually to do so. The judge is not biased, and he’d get the same rulings from another judge, but without the ability to claim bias.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

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