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5/29/2016

Bill Kristol: A Man Can Dream (UPDATE)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 5:27 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Because what this election season needs is even more crazy.

Editor of The Weekly Standard, Bill #NeverTrump Kristol, who has been attempting to convince select individuals to run as third-party spoilers, announced this afternoon that we’re in for a shakeup:

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Not clear, however, is a chance at what??

Trump responded in pure Trumpian-fashion to Kristol’s tease threat announcement:

TRUMP 1

Trump 2

TRUMP 3

–Dana

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: It seems Trump will get a convenient scapegoat. This frees Ted Cruz to refuse to endorse Trump without being Goat Number One. We’ll see what the name is.

UPDATE #2: Here’s Bill Kristol’s latest:

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287 Responses to “Bill Kristol: A Man Can Dream (UPDATE)”

  1. Here we go.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  2. neo-con trash is trash

    how many more tatted-up semi-literate soldiers does billy kristol wanna slaughter for a handful of warm piss

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. Heh! Just the conniption fit evidenced by Shortfinger’s tweets is worth it.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. happyfeet’s is a bonus.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. ms dana do not be glum

    team hillary will always say everything is awesome like in that lego movie for kiddos

    team trump will agree with trump

    death to grammar let alone sense

    but team trump will be here shortly to be rude and insulting

    its a thing

    trumpyfeet (1d2cec)

  6. oh noes

    i left out insulting veterans on memorial daze

    troof to powder!

    trumpyfeet (1d2cec)

  7. As some would say…
    mr donald can’t make up his mind whether he wants the support of team r or wants to tell team r to take a hike because he doesn’t need them
    it’s a moment by moment don’t ask me what I said 5 minutes ago thing

    you don’t even have to do any analysis

    you’ve heard of talk like a pirate day?
    aarrggghhh matie
    this is post like a hf day

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  8. as realistic as this bit,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlVqfC8-UI

    narciso (732bc0)

  9. also i wish and wish that pikachu would not mention his in private life here on a families site

    but you know how it is these days

    i’m not eatin the salty H8r tots but “golden showers” are passee and desparate not insouciant

    so 80s

    but its still a freek country

    trumpyfeet (1d2cec)

  10. My “semi-literate” daughter will soon be getting her Bachelors Degree in Mathematics. HF can rot in sheol.

    John Hitchcock (bf5f0a)

  11. kristol came to prominence in the 90s. as one of those who rallied to stop red queen’s power grab, how does this further that goal?

    narciso (732bc0)

  12. but Ima fraid if a gope inttelly ectual type is behind it
    itsa gonna fail

    it needs to be more organic graz roots than having a gope guy tell us what is good for us

    writing like hf is a pain with the autocorrect on

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  13. is ok you did your best and i love you for it Mr. Dr.

    happyfeet (831175)

  14. ms dana i really think that this explains a lot of our nation’s crossroad

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-KGR9lV05I

    trumpyfeet (1d2cec)

  15. They’re all nuts. Trump, Hillary, Kristol, the whole of them. I just can’t wrap my mind around the fact that Trump and Clinton are who we’re looking at for the presidency. And now some mysterious third-party spoiler? Can’t you just see a university, some time in the future, being paid gobs of money to study just how many alcoholics pointed to the 2016 campaign season for their fledgling walk down the Jim Beam trail.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  16. Dana we started this off where “Jeb Bush” had a $100M+ war chest

    this is ending up amazingly well given where we started

    happyfeet (831175)

  17. no, I don’t think trump is nuts, I think roger stone read the tea leaves better than most and suggested this course of action, red queen like a lannister thinks it’s lese mageste, kristol has been out of the game, since he and wehner misjudged the arab spring.

    narciso (732bc0)

  18. Jeb Bush is a thousand times better than the Lying Leftist Donald Trump. And I don’t like Jeb Bush.

    John Hitchcock (bf5f0a)

  19. i just find that to be a terribly over-wrought opinion Mr. Hitchcock

    that filthy clinton woman – she’s made a life-long study of being worse than anything Mr. Trump has ever contemplated being

    happyfeet (831175)

  20. this is still roger stone, who is the eminence gris, he brought in manafort, getting the band back together, charlie black is shilling for some warlord somewhere,

    narciso (732bc0)

  21. My daughter graduated high school at 16, entered the Army one day before her 18th birthday, served 5.5 years, is now a mother of a Young Mensan boy and a newborn girl, and at the end of this year, she’ll be a 28 year old wife with a Bachelor’s degree in Math and a minor in Computers. Even with her 10-15 tattoos, she’s smarter and wiser than hf will ever be.

    John Hitchcock (bf5f0a)

  22. it’s not a contest

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. pikachu calling mr hitchcock “overwrought” is studied by transgenderoos xirs wearing thick glasses and starchy starchy lab coats in most psychiatric hospitals today

    transference is a terrible thing

    cheerleaders get awfully excited about their quarterback what never speaks to them where other members of the team can see

    that is overwrought and a sad sad thing besides

    trumpyfeet (1d2cec)

  24. hillary may be a fox but trump is a weasel

    when a fox sneaks into a henhouse it grabs one chicken and carries it off to a safe place to eat it

    when a weasel sneaks into a henhouse it kills every chicken and eats a few bites and drinks a little blood from each

    i know this because i lived in a place where everybody raised their own chickens

    nk (dbc370)

  25. is pikachu really like ron livingston’s character in office space, although he doesn’t appear to be an engineer,

    so what platform will kristol cobble together, what is his answer to the 14 years of military expeditions, or the lost wages, or the now dormant dragon who is our prime lender,

    narciso (732bc0)

  26. no analysis needed

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  27. character and intellect will suffice for me mr narciso

    and should suffice too for every person what really loves America and thinks the presidency is something special

    so special that every American boy is told he can grow up to be president

    and now they tell it to girls too

    like its something special

    nk (dbc370)

  28. mr crystal should have realized by now that his analysis is all wrong
    and even if he had a good idea no one wants to hear it

    the people want someone who knows that the people are fed up with professional politicians and professional political pundits
    we want someone who says you lie
    not my dear esteemed colleague

    but many of us want that person to be a little
    coherent
    with a track record that inspires

    and for people like mr crystal to fall in line behind the people

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  29. omg how can you even for a second think your bush/obama-defiled presidency is something special

    it’s tawdry

    like a pooper

    or a kardashian

    happyfeet (831175)

  30. a day in the life of an addled trump sotted pikachu

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVf1ZoCJSo

    trumpyfeet (1d2cec)

  31. unless you live in a place called failmerica

    there all you need is unisex bathrooms

    and tasty tofu tacos with sriracha sauce

    those are special

    nk (dbc370)

  32. I never knew that about weasels,
    mr nk,
    i guess that’s why they call them
    weasels

    Outa here
    carry on

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  33. ugh

    i go before i leave

    it’s the new hotness

    happyfeet (831175)

  34. what is this talk like a pikachu, day.

    my beginning point of disallusion with the medici, was seeing what the ignite nclb system wrought in the florida schools, then we move on to his very mild critique of what the administration had done, around the time of the tea party’s rise, his investments in tenet
    and board of directorships with barclay’s which runs the telegraph, who in turn took them from conrad black is another point of contention,

    narciso (732bc0)

  35. the murderousness of weasels is proverbial mr md

    nk (dbc370)

  36. it’s dissapointing because kristol stood by quayle, when the so called realists, were squandering the chance the end of the cold war offered, he as pointed out before was one of the few public faces of opposition to red queen care, now robertscare, and he put in a good word for the huntress, when all were losing their head, but I don’t see the endpoint here,
    that doesn’t entail crashing against the rocks,

    narciso (732bc0)

  37. imitation is the sincerest form of flattery mr narciso

    also it saves wear and tear on the shift and punctuation mark keys

    my daughter gave me her old samsung 8.0 two years ago

    beats a nook or a kindle ten ways from sunday

    just last week i found that it had an s pen tucked in a corner

    take care of your e devises and they will last you a long time

    and provide you with hours of joy

    i am deleting my youtube account though

    it really is a giant garbage can

    and the garbage on top is very ugly

    nk (dbc370)

  38. hey I’m ee cummings on that point, it’s a dissapointing turn of events, but people need hobbies,

    narciso (732bc0)

  39. Trump is such a sissy. Having a fit because someone else is running for the same office he wants. What a small child-man.

    Didn’t he repeatedly talk about a third party run if he didn’t win the nomination? Not that he ever showed integrity.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  40. srsly you think Mr. Trump the cruz-slayer is a sissy

    happyfeet (831175)

  41. Jeb Bush never donated to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign like Trump did, and he’s been accused of zero rapes. He was a pretty decent conservative governor, at least when it comes to keeping government small and business friendly.

    He is approximately 6.7 trillion times better than Trump for president. And yeah, Jeb is dreadful on a lot of policies.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  42. i’m happy to accuse Jeb Bush of same rapes

    is there a particular form i need to use?

    happyfeet (831175)

  43. ah yes, and can when over macho grande one recalls the bill of indictment against o’donnell, she split the ticket, shocker, mind you no subsequent ticket did better than she, but that goes down the memory hole, you really want the house to determine the president, tell me how could that not go wrong,

    narciso (732bc0)

  44. ugh

    *some* rapes i mean

    brb

    we’re serving dinner

    happyfeet (831175)

  45. srsly you think Mr. Trump the cruz-slayer is a sissy

    happyfeet (831175)

    Lots of people win elections, happyfeet. Mitt Romney has won an election. Obama won an election. Woodrow Wilson and Jerry Springer won elections.

    Trump hasn’t won any election (nor will he), albeit he’s shaping up to be a party’s candidate. I don’t think this forecloses the fact that he’s a sissy, the evidence for which is his ultra sensitivity to something he himself clearly would have done.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  46. Never thought I’d live to see the enormous amount of virtue signaling now happening on the right.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  47. Mr. Dustin I just want this one thing

    i been SO patient

    happyfeet (831175)

  48. for governor of massachusetts where he was subsequently grubered, and moved gina mccarthy another notch, in the climate trading scam, two x’s get the square,

    narciso (732bc0)

  49. its a brave new world

    trumpsnuffling pikachus get to make rape jokes

    not sure thats finger snapping kale eating cool

    but thats me

    trumpyfeet (1d2cec)

  50. i don’t want a president who is santa claus mr haiku

    i want a president i respect

    santa claus lives in the north pole and brings presents to good little boys and girls

    the president lives in the white house and sends boys and girls to fight wars

    advantage character and intellect

    nk (dbc370)

  51. ah yes, but threat razorback like ‘the brother from another mother’

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jeb-bush-on-sarah-palin-if-she-only-had-a-brain-video

    this was in the lean times of the resistance,

    narciso (732bc0)

  52. “He is approximately 6.7 trillion times better than Trump for president. And yeah, Jeb is dreadful on a lot of policies.”

    I would hope that a lot of people (Rubio supporters cough, cough) now realise that having a guy who’s good on a lot of things (but not everything) is better than having someone like Trump who is 100% populist and doesn’t care about anyone other than his own self.

    scrubone (c3104f)

  53. but if the the Republican Party cannot control their own, then they ….

    Spoken like a true Democrat.

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  54. Who you tryin’ to get crazy with ese?
    Don’t you know I’m loco?

    Insane in the membrane (YouTube)
    (insane in the brain)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  55. How much do you think Hillary’s paying him?

    Or do you think this is of his own recognizance? He’s out there interviewing the ghost of GOP past.

    Racing and chasing trying to find one that believes in global warming.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  56. And he needed it done four months ago.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  57. maybe he is being blackmailed mr papertiger

    with the way he adopted his hamster illegally in south america

    nk (dbc370)

  58. This probably cannot be someone who was a contestant, since they all signed IP agreements that forbade independent runs. The only credible candidate is Romney. If so, it’s getting a little late in the day.

    As for saying “oh, he’ll be a spoiler” there are any nu,ber of independent runs that have succeeded recently, and and where they looked to split the vote, either the independent or the official candidate has dropped out. Kansas. Alaska (winning as a write-in). NY-22 lost, but it was necessary anyway considering he lost when the official GOP candidate quit and endorsed the Democrat.

    But if this happens, it better be Romney, not some House back-bencher, and it better be really effing soon.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  59. How much do you think Hillary’s paying him?

    Oh, you’re not talking about Trump now, are you?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  60. trump gives money to get things done, not vice versa.

    narciso (732bc0)

  61. The way to beat Trump is easy. Toreadors. Lots of toreadors. The man cannot stand the heat yet he insists on being in the kitchen. He has a thinner skin that Obama, if that’s possible. He pretends, not, then responds in the most petty ways possible.

    Just have your people keep poking at him. His hair, his having to pay women, his bankruptcies, his daddy’s scorn, whatever it takes. Sooner or later he’ll melt down, like he did in San Diego. He really cannot understand the words “patience”, “discipline” and “no.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  62. trump gives money to get things done, not vice versa.

    The Clintons may be richer.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  63. Kristol (2015): #NeverTrump
    zzzzzzzzz
    Kristol (January): #NeverTrump
    zzzzzzzzz
    Kristol (February): #NeverTrump
    zzzzzzzzz
    Kristol (March): #NeverTrump
    zzzzzzzzz
    Kristol (April): #NeverTrump
    zzzzzzzzz
    Kristol (January): #NeverTrump
    Jeebus Cristo! Someone must have bribed him!

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  64. as compared to the contributions from guiffra, al rashid, chagoury, near beer,

    narciso (732bc0)

  65. *Kristol (May): #NeverTrump
    Jeebus Cristo! Someone must have bribed him!

    gah.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  66. einstein’s maxim, ‘if you do the same thing over and over again, and expect a different result, the definition of insanity,

    narciso (732bc0)

  67. I suspect that, too. That his real net worth is at most a $100 million . Moreover, I suspect that his “over 500 companies in which he is the sole or principal owner” (that’s his tax accountants’ letter) are a check-kiting scheme to keep his debt service current.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. baby trump a song he make me wanna roll my windows down

    and choose

    happyfeet (831175)

  69. I was referring in part to this,

    http://www.worldmag.com/2016/05/troubling_ties/page4

    and the other spectre directors, how haiti has been looted for a half doxen years,

    narciso (732bc0)

  70. oh lawdy

    did he just write what I read?

    “roll my windows down”

    pikachu needs “relationship emergency” stat

    lol

    trumpyfeet (c8876d)

  71. Romney had his chance – as did the country – in November 2012. Both blew that chance six ways from Sunday. And here we are.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  72. What benefit does Trump envision by calling Kristol a “dummy”?
    Kristol’s a really bright guy. ‘The Weekly Standard’ is a great magazine.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  73. one of the greatest

    happyfeet (831175)

  74. better than nationa review has been, but they entertain a quixotic strategy, hence my bringing up einstein, on issues of foreign and economic policy, confidence is not in the establishment,
    like the tories pushing for remain, they aren’t affected,

    narciso (732bc0)

  75. mr cruz supporter you have to know by now that anyone what says anything critical about yelly piggy piggy lielie spray tan mafia hootchies what has eurotrash hookers and daddys money lining goldy sacky bribes is a stupid head and someone not appreciative of classy choice trumpsteaks and a strumpetuniversity education

    isn’t that what pikapompom cheers as often as rick astley videos get shown while he rolls his windows down?

    trumpyfeet (c8876d)

  76. i’d just be more comfortable if we elected Mr. Trump instead of jigglebritches

    it doesn’t hurt anything to put it out there

    happyfeet (831175)

  77. narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:32 pm

    you really want the house to determine the president, tell me how could that not go wrong,

    Yes, it could go wrong:

    1) They might be deadlocked (because you really need something like 57% of the members of the House to get a majority of all 50 states.)

    2. The Democrats might control the Senate, and not wait for the House to decide, and pick the Democratic nominee for Vice President – there’s no third choice here anyway. They need to get only 50 votes, since Joe Biden will still be Vice President until January 20. They may have to overturn the filibuster rule, though, to do it. But they might.

    (If they don’t vote, and wait on the House, House Speaker Paul Ryan gets to act as president while the House remains deadlocked. The House might then try to figure out a way to do business for 4 years that way.

    Or at least till the Senate votes.)

    3. Per the Twentieth amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Section 3, the Vice President elect will become president temporarily after January 20, and allow Hillary Clinton to act as president unofficially. I mean, she will.

    4. Rather than let the deadlock continue, with the House being unable to conduct any other business, enough Republicans in the House may then cave in and choose Hillary after she makes a few quiet promises and/or because of some kind of foreign policy crisis.

    But there are ways it could break right, too, or not worse than not doing anything.

    They might select Donald Trump by drawing away a few Democrats, which is not worse among #NeverHillary people than doing nothing.

    Or….

    They might be able to elect the third person, with almost all the House Republicans abandoning Trump quickly and voting for that person, and then pulling away enough key Democrats to win.

    Write your congressman.

    Via e-mail, of course.

    They’re still screening for anthrax,

    and paper mail will take too long to get delivered,

    plus not look so good after they are done with it.

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  78. so who are the most motivated to vote, and who are less so, this is the model that keeps getting played back

    narciso (732bc0)

  79. I was being rhetorical but seeing the mileage that the dems got out of ‘the court put W in office’ fast forward 16 years,

    narciso (732bc0)

  80. 73. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:26 pm

    What benefit does Trump envision by calling Kristol a “dummy”?

    It’s a shorthand way of saying he’s wrong – that can’t work. Now Trump can’t argue that, so he says Bill Kristol is a dummy.

    Actually it mmight work out pretty well, but it can be improved.

    First, you don’t need the same candidate in all 50 states plus the District of Columbia.

    Second, while he electors have to be pledged to one name, they could openly say, at least in some states, they really will vote for another person (like, for example, Paul Ryan) for president than the name that is on the ballot. No matter what he says.

    This could really mess up campaign finance law.

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  81. 80. narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:41 pm

    80.I was being rhetorical but seeing the mileage that the dems got out of ‘the court put W in office’ fast forward 16 years,

    The Supreme Court picking the president just because they like one candidate better is illegitimate, but the House of Representatives doing so isn’t.

    Even with an argument about HC winning a plurality.

    More people will be greatful, than complain.

    Donald Trump will complain he was cheated.

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  82. “put it out there”

    lol

    yes you do, little pikachu

    ain’t love grand

    lol

    trumpyfeet (c8876d)

  83. i’m special Mr. trumpy

    so special

    i gotta have all of your 100% purely-focused attention

    GIB IT 2 ME

    happyfeet (831175)

  84. And you know who went out and insulted the Justices who voted to make Bush 43 President?
    Called them hostile?
    Pointed out their ethnicities?
    It was not Al Gore.
    And it was not Bill Clinton.
    Because they are not badgerheaded orange-skinned buffoons.
    Bill Clinton and Al Gore had more dignity than Tiny Donny the Short-fingered Vulgarian.

    nk (dbc370)

  85. bill clinton has herpes in his penis

    happyfeet (831175)

  86. It must be written down in the bylaws, we can not have a candidate without Billy Kristol’s approval.

    Who read the whole thing?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  87. oh god

    bill kristol

    he’s such a pasty

    out of the mainstream

    old-school propaganda slut

    loser

    who gives two poopies about what bill kristol thinks?

    maybe meghan’s coward p.o.s. brainwashed daddy?

    MAYBE

    but mostly he’s worried about how he’s gonna get his trashy war hero ass re-elected

    happyfeet (831175)

  88. manbearpig stayed silent really, that was not my recollection, I know many surrogates like bugliosi, dershowitz weren’t either,

    narciso (732bc0)

  89. bill clintons’s penis’s herpes has more dignity than tiny donnie the short-fingered vulgarian

    nk (dbc370)

  90. bill clintons’s penis’s herpes has more dignity than tiny donnie the short-fingered vulgarian

    see this is where you’re wrong

    happyfeet (831175)

  91. What Gore said, roughly but close, is “I disagree with the Court’s decision but it is what it is” from what I remember. He did not attack the Justices personally, that’s for sure.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. Donald Trump:

    If the GOP can’t control their own, then it is not a party

    So that’s his idea of a political party? Very bad.

    Who does Donald Trump want to name to his Politburo?

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  93. the dems know how to move on, snorfle,

    http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/al-gore-energizes-dnc/

    narciso (732bc0)

  94. it was gore’s party and he woulda cried if he wanted to

    cried if he wanted to

    but then he went and tried to get a happy ending massage and the hoochie was all like oh no you disgusting fat-ass democrat mofo that’s totally not what I signed up for

    so al gore never runned for president and, in fact, he separated from his Tipper hooch in 2010, three years after his loser son was arrested for drug possession

    happyfeet (831175)

  95. Even Al Gore’s distant relative Gore Vidal was a pompous jerk.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  96. I invite everyone who has regularly participated in this blog for over years to stop, look at the column on the right, and click on the links in the Archives.

    Go ahead, do it.

    Now, look at it today.

    Stop to ponder how in recent weeks, it’s been pretty much co-opted by people who make a point of it to shatter rules of grammar, spelling and logic.

    Maybe the sorry de-evolution of the dialogue here to primary school baby talk is an unfortunate indicator of what brought the entire nation where we are now; to the point that come November, we are — by choice — about to make one of two thoroughly incompetent persons the most powerful among us.

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8)

  97. You know what else Al Gore did not do? He did not get a draft deferment for bony spurs in his heels. He did not even wait to get drafted. He enlisted and was sent to Vietnam.

    nk (dbc370)

  98. Don’t look at me. I’m hideous.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  99. grammar, well I plead guilty, off with my head, spelling only with autocorrect on my phone, logic well how does empowering red queen seem logical,

    narciso (732bc0)

  100. “Mr. Gore enlisted in the Army on Aug. 7, 1969, reporting to Fort Dix, N.J. He was based at Fort Rucker, Ala., working as an information specialist. For a reason neither he nor the military can explain, Mr. Gore would remain at Fort Rucker for a lengthy period awaiting orders.” “When they finally came, he would spend less than five months in Vietnam, arriving on Jan. 8, 1971, to write newspaper and magazine articles. He was discharged on May 24, 1971.”
    (The Washington Times National Weekly Edition Nov. 28 – Dec. 4, 1994)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  101. Mr. Smithee, you really cannot blame people.

    After all, one stump fingered vulgarian is running for President. Another posts bizarre and insulting stuff with regularity on this blog. Misogynist, attacking family members, insulting military service, offending people of faith. This list goes on. Keep in mind that all of these person’s posts are like that.

    It’s a choice.

    Even Patterico called the person a troll. Started restricting particularly offensive words.

    This didn’t stop the person.

    But you know the saying: what you reward, you get more of.

    Which brings us back to Trump. The troll is so happy to have a fellow traveler running for President.

    I think that you and I would both live in a very different world.

    Personally, I think this is but the tip of the endlessly embarrassing iceberg to come.

    I think that Patterico deserves a medal. Free speech is a lovely thing, but none of us invite weirdos into our home and have them drink our booze and insult our guests…on our dime.

    There will be more to come. What is rewarded one gets more of…what is punished one gets less of.

    Thank you for your cogent and careful posts, by the way.

    Simon Jester (1d2cec)

  102. kiss today goodbye

    the sweetness and the sorrow

    and i won’t forget

    what i did for trump

    happyfeet (831175)

  103. Ronald Reagan spent WWII making Army films. You go where they send you. It’s in Bible. “For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes.”

    nk (dbc370)

  104. what i did for trump

    happyfeet (831175)

  105. detroit style

    happyfeet (831175)

  106. i want to move to melbourne

    happyfeet (831175)

  107. australia, well this is what one fellow, who’s been agnostic on trump, thinks,

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/faith_threatened/

    narciso (732bc0)

  108. it’s a frontier town still in a lot of ways

    happyfeet (831175)

  109. This was a great post, Dana. I’ll go back to my first comment. Even if nothing comes out of Kristol’s plans, it feels wonderful to see Trump get poked with a stick.

    nk (dbc370)

  110. you be defining wonderful down my friend

    take a beat

    happyfeet (831175)

  111. You know what’s funny? Back in 2014, Kristol declared that Sarah Palin would be “formidable” as a presidential contender in 2016…

    Dana (0ee61a)

  112. it’s a frontier town still in a lot of ways

    happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 10:07 pm

    Be sure and use that as an opener when dealing with the Aussies.

    lol

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  113. it used to be, there are much fewer mick dundees, and more of the idiots of the abc, and the morning herald, as tim blair points out,

    narciso (732bc0)

  114. this is why her endorsement, which I disagree with, carried weight,

    narciso (732bc0)

  115. Trump’s not acceptable, so why not roll the dice- depends who he puts up.

    What if it was Ben Sasse or a conservative of that caliber? I doubt that but we’ll see.

    Both Trump + Hillary at record unfavorabliity, there’s never been two such widely despised people running for US president.

    I’m OK with anybody trying to do anything at this point…

    Reaganite Republican (98e37e)

  116. Romney had his chance – as did the country – in November 2012. Both blew that chance six ways from Sunday. And here we are.

    And if you asked people today, who they voted for, enough people would be so embarrassed to admit they voted for Obama that any poll would show Romney “won.”

    I say give them another chance.

    Given the two GAWD-AWFUL candidates that the FAILED major parties have brought forward, a sane competent and collected man like Romney — who has seen the elephant, as they say — can attract the 60% or more that are not ideologues.

    Colonel, would you really rather have President Trump or President Romney? Be honest.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  117. and i won’t forget

    what i did for trump

    Neither will we.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  118. BTW, does anyone remember the greasemonkey script for blocking particular commenters?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  119. Intellectuals with no principles love them some traitorous jew.

    mg (31009b)

  120. If anyone knows the answer to Kevin M’s question, I too would LOVE to see a Patterico comments section that’s actually readable again.

    Patterico, I’ve pretty much stopped reading your comments section. One commenter has singlehandedly made them unusable for me. He is having a WORSE effect than a troll would do. Consider this a sincere request to ban “happyfeet” from commenting, because his comments add nothing to the discussion and take away a LOT.

    Thank you.

    Robin Munn (b1072d)

  121. This is openly advocating for Hillary. Anyone on a 3rd party bandwagon that is intended to split the R vote and not the D vote deserves to be counted with the democrats. Common goals are what allies cooperate for.

    Mr Black (7c41e5)

  122. einstein’s maxim, ‘if you do the same thing over and over again, and expect a different result, the definition of insanity,

    narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:51 pm

    I’m pretty sure when Einstein said that, he had in mind that when you stopped doing the same thing over and over, you would not simply be doing something else to get the desired result, you would be doing something that actually got you closer to it.

    Trump does not make sense.

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8)

  123. The customers at Trump’s casinos. Or any other casino.

    nk (dbc370)

  124. Sin ce wh en i s good bye tw o wor ds?

    Mitch (bfd5cd)

  125. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: It seems Trump will get a convenient scapegoat. This frees Ted Cruz to refuse to endorse Trump without being Goat Number One. We’ll see what the name is.

    Patterico (97cb17)

  126. By the way, it goes without saying that this person, whoever it is, has zero chance. It likely does trash Trump’s chances though.

    Patterico (97cb17)

  127. Robin Munn: I think there is a script someone had to make people’s comments not show up. If anyone knows about that, let me know. I don’t like banning people. If it’s not one person bothering people it’s another, and then you get an echo chamber.

    For constructive discussion of the Constitution, liberty, and free markets, there is the Constitutional Vanguard mailing list and the Facebook group, which is troll-free. Links on sidebar. I’m looking into setting up a forum on patterico.com for the CV list as soon as I can figure out the logistics (not everyone likes Facebook). So there are options and I am working on others. But I prefer to keep my main comments section open.

    Patterico (97cb17)

  128. mr trump doesn’t need the type of folks what would vote for a neo-con handpicked by harvardtrash kristol

    he’ll make america great again with or without the pooper vote you’ll see

    Patterico (97cb17)

  129. There is a script,
    I think haney o’taney made it
    There are people who use it
    If we keep the request at the forefront I am pretty sure someone will tell us about it
    P, maybe you should make a link to it on the R when it appears

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  130. With God anything is possible,
    and I still think it is possible for a common sense candidate to arise that can through the election to the house
    There are many people who do not like the two most unlikable candidates ever,
    But the person will need to arise to the occasion, not backed by the establishment

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  131. Throw

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  132. felipe has it and uses it. He and Milhouse both posted it within this past year. I did not copy or bookmark it because “what for?” Just scroll up instead of down in the comments section.

    nk (dbc370)

  133. Patrick, could you edit #126 to omit my erroneously-included surname?

    Mitch (bfd5cd)

  134. A question: Under the current Republican convention rules, the GOP delegates are bound on the first ballot but is this also true for the VP nominee?

    My recollection is that the Presidential nominee’s VP choice is typically accepted overwhelmingly or by acclamation, but can the delegates vote for anyone they want for VP on the first ballot?

    DRJ (15874d)

  135. Kevin, your silly question is a strange to begin my Monday, but I’ll indulge you and suffer the fool. I’d rather have a President Romney. In fact, I would have preferred he’d served every term since Reagan’s last instead of who we had.

    Now bugger off. This is a day to commemorate fallen heroes.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  136. I don’t like banning people. If it’s not one person bothering people it’s another, and then you get an echo chamber.

    Patterico (97cb17) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:36 am

    Yes but there is a difference between banning trolls an echo chamber. As much as the pro Trump people like papertiger and ropelight annoy me they aren’t trolls. They believe in their candidate and defend him. I think that’s okay.

    happyfeet is a different story. He’s a pure troll. You may not like banning people but unlike the above people he brings the discussion down. You need to have some minimum standards, and you need to either tell happyfeet to meet them or be banned. I would have banned him months ago.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  137. einstein’s maxim, ‘if you do the same thing over and over again, and expect a different result, the definition of insanity,

    I don’t think Einstein said that.

    Bill Clinton said that, claiming to have read it somewhere, I think.

    http://throwgrammarfromthetrain.blogspot.com/2010/10/definition-of-insanity.html

    I did a little research, and Bill Clinton may have played a role in popularizing this inane phrase. He repeated the “definition of insanity” line several times during the 1992 presidential campaign. The usage seems to really take off in the mid-1990s.

    Like everything else Bill linton said, it was a lie, and not just in its attribution.

    It’s not true that it is the definition of insanity or that you will not get a different result. If you didn’t occasionally get a different result, Communism would never have come to an end. Nor would there ever have been a civil right revolution in the United States.

    Ad why do you think Bill Clinton said that? I’m sure the idea Bill Clinton wanted to communicate is that it was useless to attempt to defeat him and expose him for breaking the law. Because other people tried and failed.

    Einstein, in fact, was for keeping on trying things. (albeit maybe finding better tactics and adjusting them)

    http://www.aeinstein.org/about/

    In 1953, Einstein wrote a foreword to Dr. Sharp’s first book on Gandhi, Gandhi Wields the Weapon of Moral Power. He continued to correspond with Gene Sharp during Dr. Sharp’s time in prison as a conscientious objector in Danbury, Connecticut.

    Sammy Finkelman (ff521e)

  138. Patterico (97cb17) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:36 am :

    I think there is a script someone had to make people’s comments not show up.

    Milhouse, who still sometimes posts on this blog.

    Sammy Finkelman (ff521e)

  139. Happy feet is like a complex red wine- you can sip the wine now and/or cellar it waiting for the evolution of the wine.

    mike191 (4c004d)

  140. 136. DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:10 am

    A question: Under the current Republican convention rules, the GOP delegates are bound on the first ballot but is this also true for the VP nominee?

    No, and that’s why John McCain didn’t name his first choice for Vice President: Joe Lieberman.

    Who, if that had happened, would havr been the first person to run for vice president on the tickets of two different political parties – within a span of 8 years!

    My recollection is that the Presidential nominee’s VP choice is typically accepted overwhelmingly or by acclamation, but can the delegates vote for anyone they want for VP on the first ballot?

    Yes, they can, of course.

    BTW, when John McCain decided he couldn’t pick Joe Lieberman, either because he feared the convention would reject him, or because too many people would not support the Republican ticket if he did, he was reduced to the remaining people on his short list, because of the Eagleton affair.

    The people on it had been picked partially for show, and of the choices he had left, he liked Sarah Palin best. Maybe she was the only one on it he actually liked at all. His mistake was in claiming she was most qualified. He could have said he liked her ethics (which then looked good) and it is easier to teach an ethical person facts, than to teach a knowledgable person ethics.

    And he could have aaid that by the time it mattered she would learn what she needed to know, and even if she had to take over right away there’d be a cabinet picked etc; in sum that the chances she’d have to take over in a moment of ignorance were really pretty small.

    Sammy Finkelman (ff521e)

  141. She was the most qualified, of the four candidates, culvahouse who worked in the Reagan administration vetted her.

    narciso (732bc0)

  142. Theer are limits on campaign contributions. But they do not apply to the candidate. The candidates for president and vice president run as a combined ticket at the level of the individual voter. That means a very rich person can be named as a candidate for vice president and contribute an unlimited amount of money, since it is to his own campaign. Ceryaainly of the ads mention his name too.

    That is, in fact what David Koch did in 1980, when he was the Libertarian candidate for vice president. He said he liked the experience of campaigning, because he did campaign, too. But he was picked for his ability to legally contribute money to the campaign.

    And, because of the way the 12th amendment is written, while the presidential candidate would have a shot at actually becoming president, his vice presidential candidate would not. No risk of having to assume office.

    So – David Koch for vice president. (it doesn’t have to be someone like David Koch, it can be David Koch himself!)

    You have to hope that the right person will be prevailed upon to run for president – and that’s not Mitt Romney. Bill Kristol doesn’t have all that good judgement.

    It’s got to be someone who is head and shoulders above Hillary Clintn and Donald Trump, in integrity and in capability – and he could have some executive experience – and he’s got to attract Democrats, which means he can’t be down the line in favor of Republican tropes. Whatever he’s for, he’s got to be able to make a real case for.

    Sammy Finkelman (ff521e)

  143. By the way, it goes without saying that this person, whoever it is, has zero chance. It likely does trash Trump’s chances though.

    An interesting assertion. Wrong, I believe. Care to back it up?

    I know some rational Democrats who are unhappy about Hillary’s lies and sleaze, but are not so stupid as to prefer Bernie. They also say things like “We probably would have been better off with Romney that what Obama has delivered.”

    Not all Dems are on board with the BLM/PC crap. Not all Dems think public employee unions should be backed to the hilt. Not all Dems oppose sanity.

    After the last 16 years, competence and sanity will look pretty good. Trump doesn’t offer those and neither does Hillary.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  144. California, rational democrats, facts not in evidence.

    narciso (732bc0)

  145. I’d rather have a President Romney. In fact, I would have preferred he’d served every term since Reagan’s last instead of who we had

    As would I. I have said before that he was the best prospective president the GOP had offered since Reagan. And, excepting Reagan, the best in my lifetime.

    Trump would be the worst, although it’s a close race with Dole.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  146. Mitch – done

    JD (7fd277)

  147. yes yes i bet you 16 pickles and a pina colada billy serves up some grade a white male harvardtrash for our delectation

    happyfeet (831175)

  148. A nice guy a Howard baker perhaps in the 1980 template, perhaps popup

    narciso (732bc0)

  149. yes yes i bet you 16 pickles and a pina colada billy serves up some grade a white male harvardtrash for our delectation

    RuPaul would be better than Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  150. John O’Sullivan has some words that may be of interest

    narciso (732bc0)

  151. Sheryl Attkisson’s “Definitive Hillary Clinton Email Timeline” https://sharylattkisson.com/hillary-clintons-email-the-definitive-timeline/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  152. Death to the Demoness Dowager Clinton!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  153. Clinton delenda est

    It makes a pleasing opening salutation as well as a firm close to any remarks regarding Clinton.

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  154. Just a little food for thought…Sir Edmund Hillary’s email scandal is getting worse. With the tightening poll numbers suggesting Trump might even have a decent shot at beating her, maybe Barack authorizes the DOJ to charge her, thereby eliciting her to withdraw, enabling Joe Biden to snatch the nomination.

    Trump VS Biden; The Hair Club for Men’s Dream Match-up!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  155. The Atlantic agrees with Sammy that there are no restrictions on who the GOP delegates vote for for VP. I guess the idea is that delegates will support the Presidential nominee’S VP choice in a show if unity. But what if they don’t this time? What if they pick Cruz?

    I know it sounds bizarre to pick someone who might not even endorse Trump, and even more bizarre to accept, but it would cement Cruz as the heir apparent. In addition, if Trump somehow won the Presidency, Cruz and Led will be completely marginalized by McConnell in the Senate. They won’t be able to do anything. At least as a marginalized VP, Cruz could try to influence Trump and/or carve out an area of influence where he could promote conservatism without anyone expecting him to support Trump the way a traditional VP would.

    DRJ (15874d)

  156. Furthermore, this scenario might undermine the success of a GOP establishment independent/third party candidate.

    DRJ (15874d)

  157. And it would keep Texas red.

    DRJ (15874d)

  158. It would be like President Adams and VP Jefferson, only from the same Party.

    DRJ (15874d)

  159. Do we think the spoon of scranton@ is the giant killer?

    narciso (732bc0)

  160. “117.Trump’s not acceptable, ”

    Acceptable to who? He won the vast majority of the votes and the states. So he was clearly acceptable to actual VOTERS.
    Did you see the Rolling Thunder videos & photos? Guess Trump is acceptable to THEM.

    This is all so sorta funny.
    Trump wins with voters, but a tiny minority of self-appointed pundits wave their hankies and sniff and declare “But he is not acceptable to *us*, sweetie.” Get a clue. The only people who care what you guys think are the other couple of dozen in the tent with you.

    Just who is Trump “not acceptable” to? Weekly Standard. National Review.
    Who are they? “Since it was founded in 1995, The Weekly Standard has never been profitable.” “National Review … Since its launch, the magazine has operated as a not-for-profit entity”

    These are vanity magazines. They are not supported by actual grass-roots people. They don’t speak for anybody except the people who run them.

    Guess what? Actual voters don’t care what you self-appointed gatekeepers say. Actual voters don’t pay any attention to you, and don’t accept your claims to be the gatekeepers.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  161. An interesting assertion. Wrong, I believe. Care to back it up?

    I don’t think it’s an assertion that can be backed up or falsified before the fact. Just that lack of ballot access plus traditional assumptions that only the GOP or Dem candidates are viable will drive most voters to one party or another. But discontent with Trump is strong enough that a reasonable-looking alternative will drain enough votes from him to elect Clinton. I could be wrong. Let’s see who Kristol has in mind.

    Patterico (fbc353)

  162. It is interesting that national review didn’t endorse in 1980 or 84.

    narciso (732bc0)

  163. The Atlantic article was written in April, on the day after the New York primary but before the Acela primary if the date is correct (online dates tend to be correct, printed dates are often earlier than dated) so that scenario is based on the situation as it was then, but not now, but the rules it is built on are correct.

    I don’t really see Cruz trying for VP, especially over the objections of Trump. You could see a contested vote for VP if some people are very, very unhappy with the person Trump names. (and you could have seen one in 2008 if McCain had picked Lieberman)

    You could see an Adams and Jefferson situation if the election gets thrown into the House.

    if Trump somehow won the Presidency, Cruz and Led will be completely marginalized by McConnell in the Senate

    I assume “Led” is a typo or created by Autocorrect. I can’t figure out what it is supposed to be.

    Sammy Finkelman (ff521e)

  164. Lee whose brother is in trump’s list of judicial nominees.

    narciso (732bc0)

  165. Who could Kristol POSSIBLY have in mind? Of all the Rubios and Ryans and Romneys in all the world, why haven’t we ever heard of this “strong” candidate before? If that person could not make any mark in the GOP primary process, (and most of the candidates were weak or awful,) what magic pixie dust makes the person the right choice now?

    Not that I don’t wish for a viable alternative. My only comfort now is “anything can happen” meaning last minute substitutions on either side.

    SarahW (67599f)

  166. Rock n’ Roll Criminal Stew

    Sitting in a funk all night long
    Thinking ’bout Trump and how hope’s all gone
    How Clinton’s a toad and she’s just wasting her time
    Send her to jail cuz she’s committed some crimes

    When she’s gone, gone, gone, I won’t care
    ‘Cause she’s gone, gone, gone
    I won’t care, s’where she belongs
    She’s gone all toad again

    May to November is a mighty long time
    Being indicted can bring her down
    A load in her pantsuit her mouth’s all goin’
    Eyes are movin’ but there’s no life showin’

    When she’s gone, gone, gone, I won’t care
    ‘Cause she’s gone, gone, gone
    I won’t care, s’where she belongs
    She’s gone all toad again

    Now that it’s day again, things are much better
    Teh pool’s outside and I’m gonna get wetter
    No matter what she say, no matter what she do,
    Gonna end up in the middle of that criminal stew

    And she’ll be gone, gone, gone and I won’t care
    Cuz she’ll be gone, gone, gone
    I won’t care, s’where she belongs
    A jailhouse toad, my friend

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. When in the last 100 years has a third party not helped the left win? Just askin’. Any third party run will guarantee Hillary the Presidency.

    My only comfort now is “anything can happen” meaning last minute substitutions on either side.
    SarahW (67599f) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:14 am

    If you actually believe “on either side” you are naïve. Hillary will never be indicted let alone convicted of any crime an will not step down, be removed or be substituted by anyone. Hillary is a democrat team player, part of the racketeer influenced corrupt political organization known as the democrat party and like John Corzine, immune to any consequences for any act. The worst that would happen to Hillary would be a “reprimand” for not properly following protocol an perhaps a fine. And even they would be pardoned “for the good of the country” (like any democrat does any thing at any time for any reason for the good of the country).

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  168. They are not supported by actual grass-roots people. They don’t speak for anybody except the people who run them.

    So, like Trump University. Only with happy patrons.

    JP (bd5dd9)

  169. 67. 124. 139. The actual source, according to the web site I cited, isn’t Bill Clinton (although he populatized it) but Narcotics Anonymnous and its predecessors. I think Bill Clinton never gave his source.

    It’s in the Basic Text of Narcotics Anonymous (work began in 1979, and a review form of the book was distrubuted to members in 1981 and it was published in 1982/1983 – the date printed in the book is 1982, but a source said it really was published in March 1983 – see http://www.rarebooksmailinglist.com/pipermail/rarebooks_rarebooksmailinglist.com/2005-September/003380.html

    https://tymora42.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/who-said-the-definition-of-insanity-is-doing-the-same-thing-over-and-over-and-expecting-different-results/

    It was also supposed to have appeared in a 1980 pamphlet from the Hazelden Foundation, but it is actually only in the substantially revised edition of 1992.

    http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2013/10/einstein.html

    Narcotics Anonymous was a spinoff from alcoholics Anonymous, founded in 1953 by Jimmy Kinnon, altoh some attempts went back a number of years before, and grew out of Addicts Anonymous in Lexington, Kentucky.

    The quote also supposedly was in the book *Letters to Solovine: 1906-1955,* by Albert Einstein, but it is not to be found in that book.

    The Hazelton Foundaton was based in Minnesota, and founded in 1948 or 1949, when it dealt with educated alcoholics somewhat on the model of tuberculosis sanitariums. It developed what was called the Minnesota model – what is probably now just called re-hab – where people stay for weeks. A big change took place in 1966, when it began to move away from 12-steps and complete abstinence. It recently merged (2014) with the Betty Ford Center (founded 1982) and seems now to be close to the Clinton campaign.

    Sammy Finkelman (ff521e)

  170. You can make anything sound profound if you put a famous person’s name after it. — Winston Churchill

    nk (dbc370)

  171. Trumpkins like Fred seem to be intent on making sure that those that supported other candidates will not move over to the Trump column. That pile of BS, fall in line, Team R uber alles, be a team player, if you oppose Trump you are helping Clinton is complete nonsense and no longer an acceptable alternative.

    JD (7203ad)

  172. The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it’s hard to verify their provenance. — Abraham Lincoln

    nk (dbc370)

  173. Rev Hoagie, I share your disdain for the criminal enterprise known as the Democrat Party. They certainly do take care of their own. However, the Obamas and Clintons loathe each other. The leaks thus far about Hillary’s email server were only leaked because the Oval Office winked at it.
    Obama desperately wants a Democrat — any Democrat — to win in November, because a Republican winning would be a repudiation of his presidency.
    I think if polling shows Trump gaining more momentum AND it looks like public sentiment about Hillary’s snowballing email scandal could do further damage to her candidacy, Barack might want to knock her out of the race by greenlighting some irreparably damaging leaks about her, thereby eliciting her to withdraw, opening the door for another Democrat who stands a better chance of winning in November.
    That substitute candidate might be Hairplugs Joe Biden.
    It’s probably not all going to happen, but it’s fun food for thought. Just like when you’re watching a football game, and you think, “Hey, I have a feeling there might be a trick play coming up right about now.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  174. 169. Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:53 am

    When in the last 100 years has a third party not helped the left win? Just askin’.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1924

    The total vote increased 2,300,000 but, because of the great drawing power of the La Follette candidacy, both Republican and Democratic totals were less. Largely because of the deep inroads made by La Follette in the Democratic vote, Davis polled 750,000 fewer votes than were cast for Cox in 1920. Coolidge polled 425,000 votes less than Harding had in 1920. Nonetheless, La Follette’s appeal among liberal Democrats allowed Coolidge to achieve a 25.2% margin of victory over Davis in the popular vote (the second largest since 1824). Davis’s popular vote percentage of 28.8% remains the lowest of any Democratic presidential candidate (not counting John C. Breckinridge’s run on a Southern Democratic ticket in 1860, when the vote was split with Stephen A. Douglas, the main Democratic candidate), albeit with several other candidates performing worse in the electoral college.

    Of course, LaFollette was running more or less from the left.

    In 1948, there were two third parties, both defections from the Democratic Party, but Harry Truman nevertheless won.

    In 1968, there was a third party candidate (with a rather unclear platform actually, but the candidate was a former segregationist governor) and the Republican won the general election.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968

    The election on November 5, 1968, proved to be extremely close, and it was not until the following morning that the television news networks were able to call Nixon the winner. The key states proved to be California, Ohio, and Illinois, all of which Nixon won by three percentage points or less. Had Humphrey carried all three of these states, he would have won the election. Had Humphrey carried any two of them, or California alone, George Wallace would have succeeded in his aim of preventing an electoral college majority for any candidate, and the decision would have been given to the House of Representatives, at the time controlled by the Democratic Party. Nixon won the popular vote with a plurality of 512,000 votes, or a victory margin of about one percentage point. In the electoral college Nixon’s victory was larger, as he carried 32 states with 301 electoral votes, to Humphrey’s 13 states and 191 electoral votes and Wallace’s five states and 46 electoral votes.

    Sammy Finkelman (ff521e)

  175. #174 nk,

    That reminds me of the quote by George Washington about how they just don’t make movies like they did in the old days.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  176. Thanks Sammy, I didn’t know that. I was thinking more of guys like Perot. But I can’t think of any third party pick who would hurt the democrat and not the Republican candidate today. Maybe Oprah.

    Rev. Hoagie© (734193)

  177. Also note that 39% of the popular is the absolute minimum anyone has ever won a majority of the electoral college with. Lincoln got 39.65% of the electoral vote in a highly regional election — he was not even on the ballot in the south.

    Clinton-Trump-Romney looks now to split about 40-40-20, and if Romney can make it 25% he can probably force it into the House, where the choice is him or Trump.

    Of course if the candidate is someone else, without a built-in following, the spoiler claim will be more valid.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  178. But I can’t think of any third party pick who would hurt the democrat and not the Republican candidate today. Maybe Oprah.

    Bernie for the Greens.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  179. Hillary and Trump both have a favorability deficit of 20 or more points. Maybe that will change as the race goes on but Obama and Romney were nowhere near that bad.

    DRJ (15874d)

  180. Yes,
    As I have said before,
    the Dem nominee will be whoever Obama wants it to be.

    Clinton will be gone in the blink of an eye if Obama or Jarrett say the word.

    Whoever the Dem candidate is, they will be beholden to Obama.

    And if Clinton is the nominee, she is subject to blackmail from who knows how many people.
    She will not know who to cow tow to.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  181. That is why Crichton named it the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia Syndrome.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  182. I sure hope it is not Romney, he would be about as bad as they could choose, imo.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  183. romney’s definitely perverted enough to do it though

    we’ll have to track down candy crowley so she can kick his ass again

    happyfeet (831175)


  184. “117.Trump’s not acceptable, ”

    Acceptable to who?

    Me, among millions of others.

    Who am I? A black American from San Francisco who believed MSM schtuff about Republicans and right-of-center folk in general. Then I questioned conventional wisdom of the left for purely informational purposes, and got answers that didn’t make sense.

    As I’ve mentioned before, three things were integral in my slow and steady drift toward the center and to the right: Recognizing liberal media bias during the persecution of Dr. Eric Foretich, Western victory in the Cold War without the United States having to engage in unilateral disarmament (which the left insisted was the only way to avoid a nuclear holocaust), and Michael Medved’s bestseller Hollywood vs. America, which capsulized just about everything that I had said to others about the immorality of the entertainment industry.

    He won the vast majority of the votes and the states. So he was clearly acceptable to actual VOTERS.
    Did you see the Rolling Thunder videos & photos? Guess Trump is acceptable to THEM.

    So, do the Rolling Thunder participants’ opinions count more than mine? And how many of them are simply settling for Trump, like so many others whose first choices were shut down, but who will still accept anything but Hillary?

    This is all so sorta funny.
    Trump wins with voters, but a tiny minority of self-appointed pundits wave their hankies and sniff and declare “But he is not acceptable to *us*, sweetie.” Get a clue. The only people who care what you guys think are the other couple of dozen in the tent with you.

    Just who is Trump “not acceptable” to? Weekly Standard. National Review.
    Who are they? “Since it was founded in 1995, The Weekly Standard has never been profitable.” “National Review … Since its launch, the magazine has operated as a not-for-profit entity”

    These are vanity magazines. They are not supported by actual grass-roots people. They don’t speak for anybody except the people who run them.

    National Review is supported by 150,000 subscribers and has the widest circulation of any opinion magazine in the United States.

    Guess what? Actual voters don’t care what you self-appointed gatekeepers say. Actual voters don’t pay any attention to you, and don’t accept your claims to be the gatekeepers.

    fred-2 (ce04f3) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:04 am

    Well, you’re partially right about that. Trump has proven to be a veritable Rasputin on the national stage, and he has mesmerized people into rejecting skepticism about him without even reading it.

    Oh, I almost forgot — having rejected the warnings from “self-appointed gatekeepers,” you may not be aware that being like Rasputin is not good for a country, but it sure as hell is good to be Rasputin.

    L.N. Smithee (e92da8)

  185. Kristol using Memorial Day to announce save-all candidate is akin to Trump using Memorial Day to promote…himself. Both distasteful and without class.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  186. Patterico, do we all have to hear good and decent people (whom we might not wish to be President) called perverted all the time? Particularly by a person with an, um, uneven record of honesty and manners?

    Honestly?

    I mean, without responding to trolls by becoming them

    Simon Jester (b57e2d)

  187. Mr. Smithee, I am with you. I don’t know you, but I appreciate your posts and style.

    It’s hard to be heard over the noise around here, but thank you for trying.

    Simon Jester (b57e2d)

  188. By the way, Mr. Smithee: I loved the Nina Totenberg story on your blog.

    Simpson was great.

    Simon Jester (b57e2d)

  189. “I think we’re nuts not to raise the minimum wage,” Romney said in an interview with The Washington Post. “I think as a party, to say we’re trying to help the middle class of America and the poor and not raise the minimum wage sends exactly the wrong signal.”

    perennial candidate mitt romney is a very deeply disturbed person

    i hope his family can find the resources to get him the help he needs

    happyfeet (831175)

  190. Folks you can do what I do with HF.
    Scroll on to the next comment without bothering to read his verbiage.

    kishnevi (22ac03)

  191. “I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer,” Romney told the Manchester Union-Leader in 2011. “And… I believe that humans contribute to that. I don’t know how much our contribution is to that, because I know there have been periods of greater heat and warmth in the past, but I believe that we contribute to that. So I think it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you’re seeing.”

    oh my goodness weirdo do we really need another climate change pansy in the race?

    see this is why Mr. Trump is such a better choice than a democrat like Hillary or Mitt – he’s the only one with a moral compass and the courage to challenge tired leftist orthodoxy

    happyfeet (831175)

  192. Trolls are just H8rs. And they stink up the joint.

    I’m with LN Smithee on this.

    Simon Jester (b57e2d)

  193. Reminds me of a few months (or was it years?) back when it was Finkelman being voted off the island “making the comment section unreadable”.

    I’m not certain Sam even takes a side. He’s just sort of off point and annoying.
    I like vague. If it isn’t to annoy people why even have a comment section is my thinking.

    And then there’s happyfeet, with a clear message, always on point, knows who the real enemy is, and doesn’t pull his punches for appearances sake.

    Refreshing.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  194. So if I complain about someone then *poof*, they just disappear never to bother me again? Is that the way it works?
    Okay.

    Pat there is a person up @122 named Dunn trying to club the penguin. She’s damaging my calm. Making the comment section unreadable.

    Do your duty.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  195. Safe spaces. Feel our pain.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  196. thank you Mr. tiger

    people can be so mean sometimes

    they don’t even think how what they say might hurt somebody’s feelings

    happyfeet (831175)

  197. Who’s ready for Hillary?

    Robin Munn @ 122 is ready for Hillary.

    I’m betting a dollar.

    Any takers?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  198. Yeah happy. Looks like this one is pro bono.

    You’re welcome.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  199. You know, papertiger, when you call people perverts and hootchies and other immature junior high school nonsense, it’s kind of a different thing. I think you know that.

    I also know you like the troll because he (for now) agrees with you. But you tend to get angry when people disagree with you.

    The thing about Sammy is that he would actually speak that way in person.

    Ditto “Mark” who was banned for repeating bizarre statements.

    The important thing, for me, is that this isn’t my site. Nor do I pay for it (how much does it cost, Patterico?). Stinking up a place (as opposed to having different ideas) that you don’t pay for is kind of a bad thing. Like having an jerk come to your party acting all drunk and insulting other guests.

    It’s all up to the host, no matter what you or I think.

    And when people start leaving the party because of a jerk, eventually the host will get tired of it.

    Some people actively look for boundaries.

    Simon Jester (b57e2d)

  200. bill kristol is a low life scum who helped get 5,000 americans killed in iraq telling everyone how easy it would be to invade iraq. he was wrong then and has been wrong every since. he is funded by rich neo-con artists who donald trump is running out of the republican party and replacing them with populists. he wants clinton to win but his rich neo-con donors don’t want to say so publicly.

    david horowitz (ab8fdd)

  201. Is there w word that has become more meaningless than neocon?

    JD (7203ad)

  202. You enjoyed the Obama years. Raise your hand if you want seconds.

    Robin Munn @122 wants more (YouTube). Come on up Robin. Her and Billy Kristol.

    And they don’t care who knows it.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  203. These guys are just so very special… http://youtu.be/ei2i1NelYV0

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  204. Sammy douses his own fire.

    Then he’ll go out of his way to put out the fires left behind other people.

    I like Sam.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  205. Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:46 am

    I didn’t know that.

    You must have known 1968, but you probably just didn’t think about it, and I don’t know if anybody has settled on what the effect was on the 2-party race.

    I was thinking more of guys like Perot.

    I think the definitive answer is, initially, while Perot was hurting Bush, he was hurting Clinton more, preventing Clinton from becoming the lead opposition candidate, so much so in fact that Clinton was coming in third! People knew Clinton couldn’t be tristed in 1992. Jerry Brown said: “A scandal a week” Look at this:

    http://www.pollingreport.com/hibbitts1202.htm

    In a three-way match-up nationally, in early June 1992, Perot led with 39%, Bush was second with 31%, while Bill Clinton trailed with 25%, according to Gallup.

    The people preparing the Waco raid on the Branch Davidians noticed this, and stopped preparations (it was being organized by Friend of Bill Little Rock BATF head Bill Buford – work on the Waco search warrant did not resume until Bill Clinton was elected president. Just check he dates mentioned in the search warrant. Bill Clinton had to murder the Branch Davidians to protect him, and maybe himself.)

    Then Perot quit, probably in part as a result of dirty tricks done by the Clinton campaign. Perot wasn’t crazy to believe that Bush planned to disrupt his daughter’s wedding – just misinformed. Maybe a bit stupid, too. It’s not enough sometimes not to repeat something – sometimes you’ve got not to believe it yourself. Real threats of course, should not be ignored, but you have to know how to tell the difference.

    Perot getting in and then quitting really hurt Bush because people weren’t going to go back to Bush after having decided not to vote for him. Bush did not get more than 37% in any 2-man poll during the period of time that Perot was oput of the race. (that’s with about 5% undecided or no answer)

    Later, after he got back in the race, Perot was hurting Clinton more, (as compared with 2-man polls, but maybe not compared with how things would have been if he never had entered the race in the first place.)

    In the final week or so, I think it’s possible that people who had said in polls that in a 2-man race they favored Bush, disproportionately left Perot, and people who would favor Clinton more didn’t leave Perot so much, because what caused a drop at that stage maybe was Perot revealing that it had been a report about an attempt to interfere with his daughter’s wedding that caused him quit, and that would cause people who wouldn’t believe such a charge to leave hom for Bush. People whi did believe it would not switch to Clinton.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/26/us/1992-campaign-overview-perot-says-he-quit-july-thwart-gop-dirty-tricks.html?pagewanted=all

    . He said he had withdrawn after hearing that President Bush’s campaign was scheming to smear his daughter with a computer-altered photograph and to disrupt her wedding.

    Mr. Perot offered no evidence, only quoting friends and an unidentified “top Republican.”

    Now it was probably true that a “top Republican” had told him this, but this Republican was probably a doubke agent secretly working for Clinton. It’s known that the Clinton campaign had the advance text of Bush TV ads, so that when they ran, they were able to come up with a counter ad instantly. This has been blamed on a leak at a later stage of production. We know also that Bush turned away any bad information about Clinton as a result of advice he received from someone in his campaign.

    Anyway, in the final tally it was actually a wash and about as many people who actually voted for Perot would have voted for Clinton as for Bush.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/hibbitts1202.htm

    According to the exit poll data, 38% of the Perot voters said they would have voted for Clinton in a two way race, 38% would have voted for Bush, 24% would not have voted.

    Now, in reality, it can’t be true that as many as 24% would not have voted. So maybe more than half of those who said they wouldn’t have voted (for either major party candidate) but who would in fact have done so, would have voted for Bush. But they wouldn’t have wanted to.

    But I can’t think of any third party pick who would hurt the democrat and not the Republican candidate today. Maybe Oprah.

    I’d try to think first of any satte that a third party candidate could throw to Hillary Clinton. I’m not sure what. It may depend on how strong that third party candidate is and where his suport comes from. This requires careful polling and a state by state analysis because it’s probably different in different states, and is also affected by active campaigning or not.

    Sammy Finkelman (ae45c5)

  206. david horowitz (ab8fdd) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:09 pm

    telling everyone how easy it would be to invade iraq. he was wrong then and has been wrong every since.

    I don’t know if Bill Kristol as saying that, but it was easy (although still, a few Americans, some known to some people by name, got killed.)

    What wasn’t easy was winning the peace.

    It’s another case of the United States winning the war but losing the peace. The enemies of the United States’ goals in Iraq did not stop with Saddam Hussein and the Ba’ath Party. They were not all, or mostly, “bitter clingers” in Donald Rumsefeld’ words.

    Iran and Syria (and probably also Gulf states and/or institutions) did not want this to be a success – I mean because then we might go after some more dictatorships – and they funded (and created even) the Mahdi army and Al Qaeda in Iraq (Saddam Hussein had ceded actually a small tiny corner of northern Iraq to al Qaeda. From this seed eventually AQI and ISIS and ISIS grew)

    The United States didn’t even really win the peace when it dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Among the results were, after some incompetence and stupidity over a period of years, Mao’s rule in China and the Korean War. The Vietnam War too. All a result of forcing Japan to surrender. If saying that is stupid, then so is saying that the Iraq war led to 5,000 Americans dying and was a mistake from the beginning. Because none of that was inevitable.

    Sammy Finkelman (ae45c5)

  207. Ditto “Mark” who was banned for repeating bizarre statements.

    No, he was just moderated. If he has any comments that don’t say “this is why I am suspicious of people letting out their inner Peggy Noonan and David Brooks with the crease in the pants, I suspect Patterico may have these libral tendencies” he can leave them. I got tired of that same comment being written and posted 10,000 times in a row.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  208. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwjr57Nk9DA

    The thing about horses is that they are tall.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  209. I do not dislike horses. Goddammit.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  210. Cows are shorter.

    Steve57 (e33d44)

  211. I commend Patterico for hosting an open forum that welcomes differing views. In the past, the views may have varied but they were almost always serious views. Unfortunately, that isn’t true now. Even our host has tired of the less than serious discussons and is exploring other ways/places to discuss meaningful topics. Frankly, I think the current political climate is too polarizing to do it any other way.

    DRJ (15874d)

  212. Update from Kristol on the post… Trolling Trump. And it will, of course, work because Trump can’t help himself.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  213. “I’ve been studying persuasion for decades and when I saw Trump last summer displaying the tools of persuasion I thought, ‘Oh my God, he’s not a crazy clown. Everything he’s doing, including his complete ignoring of the facts, is persuasion perfection. I called him to be the landslide winner in the general election last year.

    Essentially he’s basically bringing a flamethrower to a stick fight. There’s nobody using the same tools that he’s using. So his complete ignoring of facts are actually part of the persuasion because he doesn’t give you targets. He doesn’t give you details of his policies, usually. So he’s reducing the number of targets while making you feel good and focusing on the things he wants. So it’s not about facts, it’s about focus and attention.”

    – Scott Adams

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  214. what’s billy trying to accomplish exactly

    these are trashbag liz mair type tactics

    happyfeet (831175)

  215. Trump likes to troll and attack conservatives, even though he is the presumptive GOP nominee. It’S like Rick Ballard said yesterday: Trump acts like he’s a Democrat and Republicans are the other team. Especially females. Trump seems to have a problem with women who aren’t subservient.

    DRJ (15874d)

  216. It’s about emotion, anger, and getting even, Haiku. Trump is the master of manipulating emotions. Americans used to recognize obvious con men tactics, but not anymore.

    DRJ (15874d)

  217. i don’t think there’s any evidence at all that Mr. Trump aims his acerbic wit more at female poopers than at male poopers

    happyfeet (831175)

  218. Trump likes to troll and attack conservatives, even though he is the presumptive GOP nominee.

    How many conservatives are trying to do an end run around the Grand Old Party, flanking maneuvers to ensure a happy outcome for the Democrat?

    Trump isn’t taking bounties or firing wild into crowds.

    That would be Wild Bill Kristol.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  219. There are always people that are disappointed their guy lost but you didn’t see Romney, McCain or Bush trashing the losers or their supporters the way Trump does. He’s so used to losing he can’t operate any other way. And he does hate women, hf. It’s obvious to anyone who does the analysis.

    DRJ (15874d)

  220. bill kristol’s like those people what run off half-cocked and shoot the gorilla that’s protecting the baby just cause the gorilla went to the wrong college and isn’t properly deferential to received neocon wisdoms

    happyfeet (831175)

  221. Martinez didn’t do anything to Trump but he still attacked her with lies intended to hurt her reputation with New Mexico voters in a purple/blue state. What a maroon Trump is.

    DRJ (15874d)

  222. Or Trump is selfish and self-centered. I’ll let you be the judge.

    DRJ (15874d)

  223. i think he likes women a lot he’s trying to make it to where the R party will stop advocating that rape victims should be forced to have a baby for their rapist

    Donald Trump said Thursday he would change the Republican Party platform’s position on abortion to include exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.*

    that’s not hating women that’s respecting them

    happyfeet (831175)

  224. Martinez got super tacky and abused her position at the RGA to attack the Republican frontrunner

    she’s a pooper

    i dismiss her disdainfully

    happyfeet (831175)

  225. He won the vast majority of the votes and the states

    He did not win the majority of votes in the contested elections, let along the vast majority. He won a plurality. About 40%.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  226. Here’s my theory: Trump wanted Martinez as VP and she soundly turned him down. His attack on her would be absolutely consistent with everything we know and have seen about him when he doesn’t get his way.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  227. Martinez dips her own bucket in the well.

    Look at Wild Bill. Riding his pony, flailing at the air.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  228. Martinez denounced him last summer, yes I don’t think that was going anywhere, haley chose to target trump more readily than obama, so scratch that,

    narciso (732bc0)

  229. BTW, in 1992, Perot ended up hurting Bush and came in third, but for a while it looked as if he would win.

    Several months before the Democratic and Republican conventions, Perot filled the vacuum of election news, as his supporters began petition drives to get him on the ballot in all fifty states. This sense of momentum was reinforced when Perot employed two savvy campaign managers in Democrat Hamilton Jordan and Republican Ed Rollins. In July, while Perot was pondering whether to run for office, his supporters established a campaign organization United We Stand America. Perot was late in making formal policy proposals, but most of what he did call for were intended to reduce the deficit. He wanted a gasoline tax increase and some cutbacks of Social Security.

    In June, Perot led in the Gallup poll with a 39 percent rating.

    However, Perot was having cold feet and was increasingly reluctant to move forward with his campaign, frustrating his supporters and campaign staff, and his poll numbers started dropping. In July, he announced that he would not run, and gave conflicting reasons for his decision, some of which were strange. When he finally reentered the race in October, the race had passed him by and his impact was greatly diminished.

    Perot received 19% and no electoral votes. Bill Clinton won with 43%.

    HOWEVER, had Perot continued his campaign as he had begun it, and not self-destructed as he did, there is no reason the believe that he would not have won the presidency as a 3rd party candidate in 1992. He was on the ballot of all 50 states despite his flubbed campaign.

    It is utter nonsense to say that a third party cannot win — Perot simply chose not to. It requires political upheaval, major party failures, and organization, but it can be done.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  230. So if I complain about someone then *poof*, they just disappear never to bother me again? Is that the way it works?

    Nope. Do you see happyfeet banned? No, you do not. Even though a lot of people complain about him.

    I don’t ban people just because a lot of people complain. I like kishnevi’s approach. If you don’t like a particular commenter, skip their comments.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  231. I don’t see the point or humor in what Kristol did.

    Trump is a terrible candidate for president,
    but Clinton is certainly not a preferred option.

    All of the GOPe intelligencia should just be quiet and not attack whoever steps up to fill Cruz’s shoes at the moment, if we are so fortunate.

    I don’t think an independent run should be made just to spite Trump,
    but I still hope for a meaningful alternative to Clinton/Trump.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  232. There’s this other blog I used to comment on. Went back there to discover that it was a Trumpite blog that declared that Trump was the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan or some such. One little post and I was banned.

    That’s how you get the sound of one hand clapping.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  233. Currently the apparent candidates are the two most disliked ever.
    If Perot could make the impact he had,
    being who he was,
    the right person could win it.

    MD in Philly (6d89d7)

  234. I dare say any number of us would not be here if our host were quick to ban offensive and silly commenters. I appreciate his tempered and tolerant approach.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  235. I don’t think an independent run should be made just to spite Trump,
    but I still hope for a meaningful alternative to Clinton/Trump.

    I agree. Do we have a name yet? If it’s Romney that’s one thing. If it’s Ben Sasse I dunno.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  236. God bless Robin Munn @ 122 then, and as long as she sees fit to slog through the comments she is safe from the wiles of papertiger. This I swear as an oath to the occasion.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  237. Currently the apparent candidates are the two most disliked ever.

    Both parties would trade their mothers to the Saudis to have George HW Bush an Bill Clinton as candidates again, compared to what they have.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  238. “Trump may be kind of thuggish, but he’ll leave me alone. Hillary’s going to come looking for me, and she’s foolish and clueless enough to push and push until we normals get tired of it and start to push back. I, for one, prefer my country not to be sucked into a second civil war because some former president’s angry wife is playing out a freakish psychodrama revenge fantasy against all the guys who have rejected her, from her father to Bill to those of us male-identifying men who laugh at her cankles. Advantage Trump.”

    – Kurt Schlichter

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  239. well here’s one, the constitution party candidate,

    http://www.castlereport.us/who-is-darrell-castle/

    narciso (732bc0)

  240. no we’re in this mess, in part because those were the binary choices 24 years. kang and kodos in practical terms, poppy didn’t want to run and it showed, jackson stephens’ man razorback did and the rest is history,

    narciso (732bc0)

  241. Where did Schlichter pull that out of? Because that’s the way I feel about Tiny Donnie.

    Frankly, I think he’s a secret swish who tries to cover up his limp-wristedness with an exaggerated show of masculinity. Including his “women-chasing”. He’d rather be “cruising”, in my opinion. And he’ll try to get his revenge on all the women he has to pretend to like and all the men who shame him just by being the kind of men his daddy wanted him to be.

    nk (dbc370)

  242. If you read what Bill Kristol said carefully – he didn’t say a candidate would announce during or right after the Memorial Day weekend. He was apparently making a boast about the future.

    “Strong team” sounded very peculiar.

    Sammy Finkelman (ae45c5)

  243. Kristol is a fool.
    The voters want someone like Cruz or Trump this cycle.
    Kristol will trot out Jon Huntsman or some other loser to lose this one out of spite

    steveg (fed1c9)

  244. Kristol probably would have done the same if Cruz won… Kristol is in it for himself. He wants to keep getting invites to all the good cocktail parties and to dinners at the exclusive clubs so he can cozy up to the ruling class and maybe get considered as having a part in it as a reasonable Republican.
    Kristol realizes the barbarians are at HIS gate as well they should be

    steveg (fed1c9)

  245. steveg,

    Put down the Ron Paul Newsletter, and go drink a beer, eh?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  246. Kristol Meth for the no Trumpers.

    mg (31009b)

  247. Full circle: Mitch McConnell disses Republicans who won’t get behind Trump.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has endorsed Donald Trump, said Monday that “it’s disrespectful of the Republican electorate to say, ‘I’m smarter than you are, and I’m not going to support your choice.’”

    Say the man who, for 6 years has disrespected the GOP voters and their choices. He was the first guy all the Trumpies wanted to hang, and now he’s sitting at the head table breaking break with the Big Guy. It’s enough to make you cynical.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/30/mcconnell-not-supporting-trump-is-disrespecting-gop-voters-video/#ixzz4ABzO64Sr

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  248. Kristol probably would have done the same if Cruz won

    Yeah, I remember all those #NeverCruz guys. Oh, wait.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  249. If you read what Bill Kristol said carefully – he didn’t say a candidate would announce during or right after the Memorial Day weekend. He was apparently making a boast about the future.

    Well, considering that they are already about 2 months late to the game, it really won’t matter very soon.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  250. I believe Kristol anticipated the reflexive response from the Trump monkey. I’m trying to think of a billionaire (one with actual money) who would enjoy poking the Trump monkey enough to spend a few million poking him while Trump waits for the RNC to provide him the funds and campaign structure to stumble towards defeat.

    Rick Ballard (161c5b)

  251. well steyer who made his money in coal, high priest of sky dragon, the raha tep, is going after him,

    narciso (732bc0)

  252. #251 Kevin M,

    It’s not cynicism, it’s just recognizing reality.
    Either Hillary or Trump is going to become the next President.
    The Senate Majority Leader can’t go hide in the basement and play video games for the next four years.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  253. why is steyer moved to this gesture, not because of his sudden solicitousness of hispanics,

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/28/greens-blame-donald-trump-for-crumbling-paris-climate-accord/

    his travismockasham@bananas, is coming under fire,

    narciso (732bc0)

  254. Either Hillary or Trump is going to become the next President.

    It won’t be Trump. When that become bloody obvious we’re going to need Plan B.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  255. I will also point out that Trump is not the nominee yet. He has plenty of time to self-destruct in a way that will cause the Convention to find a way to selection someone else.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  256. Go Warriors!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  257. Kevin M,

    Paint me a scenario where Trump self-destructs. What would have to happen? I’m entirely serious here.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  258. Kevin M,

    You’re moving the goalposts. Maybe Trump WILL self-destruct, thereby requiring a Romney or Ryan to step in as the nominee.
    But you were criticizing McConnell for mending fences with Trump, and I’m just pointing out that’s the reality of reality — McConnell has to do that. If Trump becomes Prez, the Senate Majority Leader will need to have a working relationship with him.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  259. 251Say the man who, for 6 years has disrespected the GOP voters and their choices. He was the first guy all the Trumpies wanted to hang, and now he’s sitting at the head table breaking break with the Big Guy. It’s enough to make you cynical.

    It was Cruz who was constantly undermining McConnell, I don’t think Trump had anything much against him.

    James B. Shearer (3a7ef7)

  260. 262 Paint me a scenario where Trump self-destructs. What would have to happen? I’m entirely serious here.

    He is killed in a private plane crash after browbeating the pilot into attempting to land in bad weather. Other than something like that he is the nominee.

    James B. Shearer (3a7ef7)

  261. But James! What if Trump were caught in an obvious lie?! Or indicated that he would rule like a dictator?! Or suggested that he would strip Americans of fundamental rights?! Surely that would do him in!!!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  262. Tee hee. Yup, plan for the plane crash contingency. Otherwise, resign yourself.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  263. you’re thinking of this,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgbZAwIhVw\

    or perhaps the dead zone,

    narciso (732bc0)

  264. ropelight

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  265. Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:32 pm

    It won’t be Trump. When that become bloody obvious we’re going to need Plan B. </blockquote. Paul Krugman yesterday said that Hillary Clinton is going to be the democratic nominee, because she wrapped it up in tghe northeastern primaries in April, but I noticed he didn't go further.

    Plan B:

    1) Re-establish the Whig party. (as good a name as any, and the name gets more free publicity.)

    2) Don't even try to get on all 50 state ballots. Nominate different candidates for president in different states. This is modeled somewhat on the strategy the Whigs slipped into in the Presidential election of 1836. In some states, if the local Republican Party puts a somewhat acceptable name on the ballot, and you think the Electors will not vote for Trump in the end, don’t run anyone.

    3) They will compete to see who can come in third in the Electoral College. This actually works better than if there is the same candidate in 35 or so different states. The fact that only one third party candidate can make it into the House of representatives, but if he does is likely to become president, will encourage wavering voters, especially in states that usually vote Democrat, to vote for the third party candidate, if that candidate is someone they like or like better than say, Ted Cruz, who seems likely maybe to carry Texas, with its 38 Electoral votes. Even Democrats will vote for Meg Whitman, let’s say, in California, just to stop Ted Cruz. If it’s Coburn who is on the ballot in Texas (and in his case a few other states, not always as a Republican) this also works, and is actually better since you have a better chance of getting a better president.

    4) Nominate the same candidate for vice-president in all those states where you have to work to get on the ballot. This person should be a billionaire and can finance all the efforts to get on the ballot. It could be someone like David Koch – in fact David Koch himself is an excellent choice. He did this once efore, in 1980. He will have no chance of actually becoming vice preident or president, since the Senate gets to pick only from the top two, so any negatives really don’t matter too much, and this will him and otehrs an excellent opportunity ro argue about the foolishness of attempting to influence the climate by getting a very minor reduction in greenhouse gases from what would otherwise occur.

    Sammy Finkelman (febafc)

  266. Trump is such an idiotically obtuse ass clown, I’ve decided to vote Hillary just to piss him and his chowder-headed disciples right the hell off.

    You wanna burn sh*t down? Fine. Let’s do this.

    Hillary ’16.

    Eric in Hollywood (89f527)

  267. Tick-tock, Bill.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  268. Paint me a scenario where Trump self-destructs. What would have to happen? I’m entirely serious here.

    Oh, I don’t know, the man is so unpredictable and outlandish. Maybe things I’d consider a melt-down would be just additions to the legend for his fans. But…

    * He goes on a long tirade about America’s allies in Europe and Japan, saying how he’d like to nuke the F out of the lot of them, the ungrateful snots.

    * His plans for Making all Hispanic-looking individuals prove their right to be in the US get out, along with the sites for the camps for those who cannot.

    * He comes out in favor of a single-payer health plan and a guaranteed annual income paid for by a new national sales tax on top of higher income taxes.

    * He calls the Marines a bunch of Nancy-boys.

    * Seven NY madams hold a joint press conference listing their numerous contacts with Mr Trump and how he seems to have to pay for most of his sex.

    * His tax records are “accidentally” released showing that he makes tons of money off of Chinese sweatshops and pays no taxes.

    Hard to say.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  269. You wanna burn sh*t down? Fine. Let’s do this.

    Hillary ’16.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  270. that’s a terrible idea

    happyfeet (831175)

  271. (misclick)
    You wanna burn sh*t down? Fine. Let’s do this.

    Hillary ’16.

    Bernie ’16 would be faster.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  272. Hillary is more fun. She has better tits than Trump and Bernie.

    Plus, the vag is at least organic.

    Hillary ’16

    Eric in Hollywood (89f527)

  273. Kristol is indeed a looza.

    The neocon who gave America Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin is out to try and save his outdated conservative influence, and nothing more. Trump nailed him in his Tuesday presser.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  274. No one ever mentions the Eisenhower primary campaign. It was similar in that the Beltway had their candidate and the people had theirs. I wonder what today’s 24 hour news, blogs and social media would have been like back then. I watched it on the old black and white TV with news anchors having only one view point. After reading the comments, I can’t really say we have made a lot of progress.
    After I get back from VA tomorrow getting my metal parts adjusted, I think I think I’ll pop some corn and watch. Semper Fi

    EldonH (e0559f)

  275. Mark Green (one time deputy to Ralph Nader and New York Senate candidate and New York City Mayoral candidate) on who will win the election: He’s got one basic argument that Trump could and 13 that Hillary would. They’re not really 13 separate arguments.

    In my view, we’re divided into “Panicked Dems” and “We-Got-This Dems.”

    Here’s my balance sheet predicting this coming contest between Clinton & Trump.

    It’s long but cheaper than therapy:

    1. Panicked Dems: Trump COULD win if big terror attack in U.S., Bernie sabotage, FBI charges, angry white men, 3d Term/Clinton fatigue.

    2. Got-This Dems: Obama’s 4-7 point wins mean that HRC starts w/likely 5 million voter edge + rsing minorities & millennials.

    3. Got-This Dems: Electoral College “Blue Wall” of 18 states where Dems won 6 of last 6 = 242 electoral votes.

    4. Got-This Dems: Obama has a +5 net favorable. Dems -3. GOP -24. Trump -33.

    5. Got-This Dems: Mitt won white women by 14. HRC will do 10 points — or 4 million votes — better. “Punish Women?”

    6. Got-This Dems: Romney beat Obama 65%-35% among white men…not many more of them for her to lose.

    7. Got-This Dems: Sanders will grumpily endorse/embrace HRC so she gets 90% of 50% (Ds +leaners). Trump only 85% of 40% (GOP + leaners) bc of #nevertrumps.

    8. Got-This Dems: Debates? DT’s smear & fear worked in GOP field but won’t against poised, experienced HRC + a non-Fox moderator.

    9. Got-This Dems: His ads will focus on “crooked…enabler”. Hers on Nuclear War, KKK, Primary Rs disgust, business sleaze & greatest ever weather-vane ad.

    10. Got-This Dems: HRC will have far more $$ and analytics to find/pull votes.

    11. Got-This Dems: Economy growing for 75 straight months and, since 1960, GDP growth under Dem prezs since 1960 40% higher. Really.

    12. Got-This Dems: Libertarian ticket likely to get 2-3 times more votes than Greens.

    13. Got-This Dems: DT truly disqualified by epic ignorance, inexperience, flip-flops + attacks on Muslims, Mexicans, minorities, women, Pope, his trial judge…don’t pay fed bills, nukes to Japan, birther…

    14. Got-This Dems: Commander-in-Chief Test — Erratic Bully or Sec’t of State?

    CONCLUSION: HRC 53% – DT 46%, at least… so long as Democrats understand Justice Holmes Jr.’s observation that “The way the inevitable came to pass was effort.”

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  276. So, Kristol’s guy is some NR writer. I guess James Stockdale was dead.

    Really, if Romney won’t run, there’s really no reason to ask anyone else to do his job for him. In coming years, Romney will be best remembered as the guy who failed us twice, in the history of “how things went so very wrong.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  277. Well he quit the race in 2008, lets not forget that. His performance in 2012 was just phoning it in.

    narciso (732bc0)

  278. Well he quit the race in 2008, lets not forget that.

    Ironically, had Romney been the candidate in 2008, a time when economic expertise would have been prized, Obama might only be a failed one-term Senator. McCain was so flagrantly lacking in economic understanding (much like the current nominee-apparent) that Obama seemed a better bet, hard as that is to see in retrospect.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  279. Bill Kristoil column Weekly Standard:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-united-states-of-argentina/article/2002572

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  280. i don’t read him anymore he’s just another harvardtrash creeper

    happyfeet (831175)

  281. Unusual last minute ppolitical victory department:

    http://www.rollcall.com/shuster-republican-challenger-might-get-democratic-nominationckquote&gt; Tea Party Candidate Could Win Democratic Primary

    In early tally, Dems write in retired Coast Guard captain over their own candidate

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)


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