Bill Kristol: A Man Can Dream (UPDATE)
[guest post by Dana]
Because what this election season needs is even more crazy.
Editor of The Weekly Standard, Bill #NeverTrump Kristol, who has been attempting to convince select individuals to run as third-party spoilers, announced this afternoon that we’re in for a shakeup:
Not clear, however, is a chance at what??
Trump responded in pure Trumpian-fashion to Kristol’s tease threat announcement:
–Dana
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: It seems Trump will get a convenient scapegoat. This frees Ted Cruz to refuse to endorse Trump without being Goat Number One. We’ll see what the name is.
UPDATE #2: Here’s Bill Kristol’s latest:
Here we go.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:27 pmneo-con trash is trash
how many more tatted-up semi-literate soldiers does billy kristol wanna slaughter for a handful of warm piss
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:32 pmHeh! Just the conniption fit evidenced by Shortfinger’s tweets is worth it.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:32 pmhappyfeet’s is a bonus.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:33 pmms dana do not be glum
team hillary will always say everything is awesome like in that lego movie for kiddos
team trump will agree with trump
death to grammar let alone sense
but team trump will be here shortly to be rude and insulting
its a thing
trumpyfeet (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:33 pmoh noes
i left out insulting veterans on memorial daze
troof to powder!
trumpyfeet (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:34 pmAs some would say…
mr donald can’t make up his mind whether he wants the support of team r or wants to tell team r to take a hike because he doesn’t need them
it’s a moment by moment don’t ask me what I said 5 minutes ago thing
you don’t even have to do any analysis
you’ve heard of talk like a pirate day?
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:36 pmaarrggghhh matie
this is post like a hf day
as realistic as this bit,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlVqfC8-UI
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:36 pmalso i wish and wish that pikachu would not mention his in private life here on a families site
but you know how it is these days
i’m not eatin the salty H8r tots but “golden showers” are passee and desparate not insouciant
so 80s
but its still a freek country
trumpyfeet (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:37 pmMy “semi-literate” daughter will soon be getting her Bachelors Degree in Mathematics. HF can rot in sheol.
John Hitchcock (bf5f0a) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:37 pmkristol came to prominence in the 90s. as one of those who rallied to stop red queen’s power grab, how does this further that goal?
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:40 pmbut Ima fraid if a gope inttelly ectual type is behind it
itsa gonna fail
it needs to be more organic graz roots than having a gope guy tell us what is good for us
writing like hf is a pain with the autocorrect on
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:41 pmis ok you did your best and i love you for it Mr. Dr.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:42 pmms dana i really think that this explains a lot of our nation’s crossroad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-KGR9lV05I
trumpyfeet (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:42 pmThey’re all nuts. Trump, Hillary, Kristol, the whole of them. I just can’t wrap my mind around the fact that Trump and Clinton are who we’re looking at for the presidency. And now some mysterious third-party spoiler? Can’t you just see a university, some time in the future, being paid gobs of money to study just how many alcoholics pointed to the 2016 campaign season for their fledgling walk down the Jim Beam trail.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:47 pmDana we started this off where “Jeb Bush” had a $100M+ war chest
this is ending up amazingly well given where we started
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:49 pmno, I don’t think trump is nuts, I think roger stone read the tea leaves better than most and suggested this course of action, red queen like a lannister thinks it’s lese mageste, kristol has been out of the game, since he and wehner misjudged the arab spring.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:50 pmJeb Bush is a thousand times better than the Lying Leftist Donald Trump. And I don’t like Jeb Bush.
John Hitchcock (bf5f0a) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:50 pmi just find that to be a terribly over-wrought opinion Mr. Hitchcock
that filthy clinton woman – she’s made a life-long study of being worse than anything Mr. Trump has ever contemplated being
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:53 pmthis is still roger stone, who is the eminence gris, he brought in manafort, getting the band back together, charlie black is shilling for some warlord somewhere,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:55 pmMy daughter graduated high school at 16, entered the Army one day before her 18th birthday, served 5.5 years, is now a mother of a Young Mensan boy and a newborn girl, and at the end of this year, she’ll be a 28 year old wife with a Bachelor’s degree in Math and a minor in Computers. Even with her 10-15 tattoos, she’s smarter and wiser than hf will ever be.
John Hitchcock (bf5f0a) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:56 pmit’s not a contest
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:59 pmpikachu calling mr hitchcock “overwrought” is studied by transgenderoos xirs wearing thick glasses and starchy starchy lab coats in most psychiatric hospitals today
transference is a terrible thing
cheerleaders get awfully excited about their quarterback what never speaks to them where other members of the team can see
that is overwrought and a sad sad thing besides
trumpyfeet (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:59 pmhillary may be a fox but trump is a weasel
when a fox sneaks into a henhouse it grabs one chicken and carries it off to a safe place to eat it
when a weasel sneaks into a henhouse it kills every chicken and eats a few bites and drinks a little blood from each
i know this because i lived in a place where everybody raised their own chickens
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 5:59 pmis pikachu really like ron livingston’s character in office space, although he doesn’t appear to be an engineer,
so what platform will kristol cobble together, what is his answer to the 14 years of military expeditions, or the lost wages, or the now dormant dragon who is our prime lender,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:01 pmno analysis needed
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:01 pmdon’t count on me
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:05 pmcharacter and intellect will suffice for me mr narciso
and should suffice too for every person what really loves America and thinks the presidency is something special
so special that every American boy is told he can grow up to be president
and now they tell it to girls too
like its something special
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:05 pmmr crystal should have realized by now that his analysis is all wrong
and even if he had a good idea no one wants to hear it
the people want someone who knows that the people are fed up with professional politicians and professional political pundits
we want someone who says you lie
not my dear esteemed colleague
but many of us want that person to be a little
coherent
with a track record that inspires
and for people like mr crystal to fall in line behind the people
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:07 pmomg how can you even for a second think your bush/obama-defiled presidency is something special
it’s tawdry
like a pooper
or a kardashian
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:07 pma day in the life of an addled trump sotted pikachu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVf1ZoCJSo
trumpyfeet (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:08 pmunless you live in a place called failmerica
there all you need is unisex bathrooms
and tasty tofu tacos with sriracha sauce
those are special
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:08 pmI never knew that about weasels,
mr nk,
i guess that’s why they call them
weasels
Outa here
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:09 pmcarry on
ugh
i go before i leave
it’s the new hotness
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:10 pmwhat is this talk like a pikachu, day.
my beginning point of disallusion with the medici, was seeing what the ignite nclb system wrought in the florida schools, then we move on to his very mild critique of what the administration had done, around the time of the tea party’s rise, his investments in tenet
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:11 pmand board of directorships with barclay’s which runs the telegraph, who in turn took them from conrad black is another point of contention,
the murderousness of weasels is proverbial mr md
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:13 pmit’s dissapointing because kristol stood by quayle, when the so called realists, were squandering the chance the end of the cold war offered, he as pointed out before was one of the few public faces of opposition to red queen care, now robertscare, and he put in a good word for the huntress, when all were losing their head, but I don’t see the endpoint here,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:16 pmthat doesn’t entail crashing against the rocks,
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery mr narciso
also it saves wear and tear on the shift and punctuation mark keys
my daughter gave me her old samsung 8.0 two years ago
beats a nook or a kindle ten ways from sunday
just last week i found that it had an s pen tucked in a corner
take care of your e devises and they will last you a long time
and provide you with hours of joy
i am deleting my youtube account though
it really is a giant garbage can
and the garbage on top is very ugly
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:19 pmhey I’m ee cummings on that point, it’s a dissapointing turn of events, but people need hobbies,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:22 pmTrump is such a sissy. Having a fit because someone else is running for the same office he wants. What a small child-man.
Didn’t he repeatedly talk about a third party run if he didn’t win the nomination? Not that he ever showed integrity.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:27 pmsrsly you think Mr. Trump the cruz-slayer is a sissy
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:29 pmJeb Bush never donated to Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign like Trump did, and he’s been accused of zero rapes. He was a pretty decent conservative governor, at least when it comes to keeping government small and business friendly.
He is approximately 6.7 trillion times better than Trump for president. And yeah, Jeb is dreadful on a lot of policies.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:31 pmi’m happy to accuse Jeb Bush of same rapes
is there a particular form i need to use?
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:32 pmah yes, and can when over macho grande one recalls the bill of indictment against o’donnell, she split the ticket, shocker, mind you no subsequent ticket did better than she, but that goes down the memory hole, you really want the house to determine the president, tell me how could that not go wrong,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:32 pmugh
*some* rapes i mean
brb
we’re serving dinner
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:32 pmLots of people win elections, happyfeet. Mitt Romney has won an election. Obama won an election. Woodrow Wilson and Jerry Springer won elections.
Trump hasn’t won any election (nor will he), albeit he’s shaping up to be a party’s candidate. I don’t think this forecloses the fact that he’s a sissy, the evidence for which is his ultra sensitivity to something he himself clearly would have done.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:33 pmNever thought I’d live to see the enormous amount of virtue signaling now happening on the right.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:34 pmMr. Dustin I just want this one thing
i been SO patient
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:37 pmfor governor of massachusetts where he was subsequently grubered, and moved gina mccarthy another notch, in the climate trading scam, two x’s get the square,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:37 pmits a brave new world
trumpsnuffling pikachus get to make rape jokes
not sure thats finger snapping kale eating cool
but thats me
trumpyfeet (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:40 pmi don’t want a president who is santa claus mr haiku
i want a president i respect
santa claus lives in the north pole and brings presents to good little boys and girls
the president lives in the white house and sends boys and girls to fight wars
advantage character and intellect
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:41 pmah yes, but threat razorback like ‘the brother from another mother’
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jeb-bush-on-sarah-palin-if-she-only-had-a-brain-video
this was in the lean times of the resistance,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:42 pm“He is approximately 6.7 trillion times better than Trump for president. And yeah, Jeb is dreadful on a lot of policies.”
I would hope that a lot of people (Rubio supporters cough, cough) now realise that having a guy who’s good on a lot of things (but not everything) is better than having someone like Trump who is 100% populist and doesn’t care about anyone other than his own self.
scrubone (c3104f) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:42 pmbut if the the Republican Party cannot control their own, then they ….
Spoken like a true Democrat.
Rick Ballard (161c5b) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:45 pmWho you tryin’ to get crazy with ese?
Don’t you know I’m loco?
Insane in the membrane (YouTube)
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:53 pm(insane in the brain)
How much do you think Hillary’s paying him?
Or do you think this is of his own recognizance? He’s out there interviewing the ghost of GOP past.
Racing and chasing trying to find one that believes in global warming.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:59 pmAnd he needed it done four months ago.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:01 pmmaybe he is being blackmailed mr papertiger
with the way he adopted his hamster illegally in south america
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:09 pmThis probably cannot be someone who was a contestant, since they all signed IP agreements that forbade independent runs. The only credible candidate is Romney. If so, it’s getting a little late in the day.
As for saying “oh, he’ll be a spoiler” there are any nu,ber of independent runs that have succeeded recently, and and where they looked to split the vote, either the independent or the official candidate has dropped out. Kansas. Alaska (winning as a write-in). NY-22 lost, but it was necessary anyway considering he lost when the official GOP candidate quit and endorsed the Democrat.
But if this happens, it better be Romney, not some House back-bencher, and it better be really effing soon.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:38 pmHow much do you think Hillary’s paying him?
Oh, you’re not talking about Trump now, are you?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:39 pmtrump gives money to get things done, not vice versa.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:42 pmThe way to beat Trump is easy. Toreadors. Lots of toreadors. The man cannot stand the heat yet he insists on being in the kitchen. He has a thinner skin that Obama, if that’s possible. He pretends, not, then responds in the most petty ways possible.
Just have your people keep poking at him. His hair, his having to pay women, his bankruptcies, his daddy’s scorn, whatever it takes. Sooner or later he’ll melt down, like he did in San Diego. He really cannot understand the words “patience”, “discipline” and “no.”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:45 pmtrump gives money to get things done, not vice versa.
The Clintons may be richer.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:46 pmKristol (2015): #NeverTrump
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:49 pmzzzzzzzzz
Kristol (January): #NeverTrump
zzzzzzzzz
Kristol (February): #NeverTrump
zzzzzzzzz
Kristol (March): #NeverTrump
zzzzzzzzz
Kristol (April): #NeverTrump
zzzzzzzzz
Kristol (January): #NeverTrump
Jeebus Cristo! Someone must have bribed him!
as compared to the contributions from guiffra, al rashid, chagoury, near beer,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:49 pm*Kristol (May): #NeverTrump
Jeebus Cristo! Someone must have bribed him!
gah.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:50 pmeinstein’s maxim, ‘if you do the same thing over and over again, and expect a different result, the definition of insanity,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:51 pmI suspect that, too. That his real net worth is at most a $100 million . Moreover, I suspect that his “over 500 companies in which he is the sole or principal owner” (that’s his tax accountants’ letter) are a check-kiting scheme to keep his debt service current.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:52 pmbaby trump a song he make me wanna roll my windows down
and choose
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 7:57 pmI was referring in part to this,
http://www.worldmag.com/2016/05/troubling_ties/page4
and the other spectre directors, how haiti has been looted for a half doxen years,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:10 pmoh lawdy
did he just write what I read?
“roll my windows down”
pikachu needs “relationship emergency” stat
lol
trumpyfeet (c8876d) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:11 pmRomney had his chance – as did the country – in November 2012. Both blew that chance six ways from Sunday. And here we are.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:20 pmWhat benefit does Trump envision by calling Kristol a “dummy”?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:26 pmKristol’s a really bright guy. ‘The Weekly Standard’ is a great magazine.
one of the greatest
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:29 pmbetter than nationa review has been, but they entertain a quixotic strategy, hence my bringing up einstein, on issues of foreign and economic policy, confidence is not in the establishment,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:34 pmlike the tories pushing for remain, they aren’t affected,
mr cruz supporter you have to know by now that anyone what says anything critical about yelly piggy piggy lielie spray tan mafia hootchies what has eurotrash hookers and daddys money lining goldy sacky bribes is a stupid head and someone not appreciative of classy choice trumpsteaks and a strumpetuniversity education
isn’t that what pikapompom cheers as often as rick astley videos get shown while he rolls his windows down?
trumpyfeet (c8876d) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:35 pmi’d just be more comfortable if we elected Mr. Trump instead of jigglebritches
it doesn’t hurt anything to put it out there
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:38 pmnarciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 6:32 pm
Yes, it could go wrong:
1) They might be deadlocked (because you really need something like 57% of the members of the House to get a majority of all 50 states.)
2. The Democrats might control the Senate, and not wait for the House to decide, and pick the Democratic nominee for Vice President – there’s no third choice here anyway. They need to get only 50 votes, since Joe Biden will still be Vice President until January 20. They may have to overturn the filibuster rule, though, to do it. But they might.
(If they don’t vote, and wait on the House, House Speaker Paul Ryan gets to act as president while the House remains deadlocked. The House might then try to figure out a way to do business for 4 years that way.
Or at least till the Senate votes.)
3. Per the Twentieth amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Section 3, the Vice President elect will become president temporarily after January 20, and allow Hillary Clinton to act as president unofficially. I mean, she will.
4. Rather than let the deadlock continue, with the House being unable to conduct any other business, enough Republicans in the House may then cave in and choose Hillary after she makes a few quiet promises and/or because of some kind of foreign policy crisis.
But there are ways it could break right, too, or not worse than not doing anything.
They might select Donald Trump by drawing away a few Democrats, which is not worse among #NeverHillary people than doing nothing.
Or….
They might be able to elect the third person, with almost all the House Republicans abandoning Trump quickly and voting for that person, and then pulling away enough key Democrats to win.
Write your congressman.
Via e-mail, of course.
They’re still screening for anthrax,
and paper mail will take too long to get delivered,
plus not look so good after they are done with it.
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:38 pmso who are the most motivated to vote, and who are less so, this is the model that keeps getting played back
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:39 pmI was being rhetorical but seeing the mileage that the dems got out of ‘the court put W in office’ fast forward 16 years,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:41 pm73. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:26 pm
It’s a shorthand way of saying he’s wrong – that can’t work. Now Trump can’t argue that, so he says Bill Kristol is a dummy.
Actually it mmight work out pretty well, but it can be improved.
First, you don’t need the same candidate in all 50 states plus the District of Columbia.
Second, while he electors have to be pledged to one name, they could openly say, at least in some states, they really will vote for another person (like, for example, Paul Ryan) for president than the name that is on the ballot. No matter what he says.
This could really mess up campaign finance law.
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:45 pm80. narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:41 pm
The Supreme Court picking the president just because they like one candidate better is illegitimate, but the House of Representatives doing so isn’t.
Even with an argument about HC winning a plurality.
More people will be greatful, than complain.
Donald Trump will complain he was cheated.
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:48 pm“put it out there”
lol
yes you do, little pikachu
ain’t love grand
lol
trumpyfeet (c8876d) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:52 pmi’m special Mr. trumpy
so special
i gotta have all of your 100% purely-focused attention
GIB IT 2 ME
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:56 pmAnd you know who went out and insulted the Justices who voted to make Bush 43 President?
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:56 pmCalled them hostile?
Pointed out their ethnicities?
It was not Al Gore.
And it was not Bill Clinton.
Because they are not badgerheaded orange-skinned buffoons.
Bill Clinton and Al Gore had more dignity than Tiny Donny the Short-fingered Vulgarian.
bill clinton has herpes in his penis
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:58 pmIt must be written down in the bylaws, we can not have a candidate without Billy Kristol’s approval.
Who read the whole thing?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 8:59 pmoh god
bill kristol
he’s such a pasty
out of the mainstream
old-school propaganda slut
loser
who gives two poopies about what bill kristol thinks?
maybe meghan’s coward p.o.s. brainwashed daddy?
MAYBE
but mostly he’s worried about how he’s gonna get his trashy war hero ass re-elected
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:02 pmmanbearpig stayed silent really, that was not my recollection, I know many surrogates like bugliosi, dershowitz weren’t either,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:02 pmbill clintons’s penis’s herpes has more dignity than tiny donnie the short-fingered vulgarian
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:03 pmbill clintons’s penis’s herpes has more dignity than tiny donnie the short-fingered vulgarian
see this is where you’re wrong
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:04 pmWhat Gore said, roughly but close, is “I disagree with the Court’s decision but it is what it is” from what I remember. He did not attack the Justices personally, that’s for sure.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:07 pmDonald Trump:
So that’s his idea of a political party? Very bad.
Who does Donald Trump want to name to his Politburo?
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:11 pmthe dems know how to move on, snorfle,
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/al-gore-energizes-dnc/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:11 pmit was gore’s party and he woulda cried if he wanted to
cried if he wanted to
but then he went and tried to get a happy ending massage and the hoochie was all like oh no you disgusting fat-ass democrat mofo that’s totally not what I signed up for
so al gore never runned for president and, in fact, he separated from his Tipper hooch in 2010, three years after his loser son was arrested for drug possession
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:15 pmEven Al Gore’s distant relative Gore Vidal was a pompous jerk.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:17 pmI invite everyone who has regularly participated in this blog for over years to stop, look at the column on the right, and click on the links in the Archives.
Go ahead, do it.
Now, look at it today.
Stop to ponder how in recent weeks, it’s been pretty much co-opted by people who make a point of it to shatter rules of grammar, spelling and logic.
Maybe the sorry de-evolution of the dialogue here to primary school baby talk is an unfortunate indicator of what brought the entire nation where we are now; to the point that come November, we are — by choice — about to make one of two thoroughly incompetent persons the most powerful among us.
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:24 pmYou know what else Al Gore did not do? He did not get a draft deferment for bony spurs in his heels. He did not even wait to get drafted. He enlisted and was sent to Vietnam.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:24 pmDon’t look at me. I’m hideous.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:28 pmgrammar, well I plead guilty, off with my head, spelling only with autocorrect on my phone, logic well how does empowering red queen seem logical,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:29 pm“Mr. Gore enlisted in the Army on Aug. 7, 1969, reporting to Fort Dix, N.J. He was based at Fort Rucker, Ala., working as an information specialist. For a reason neither he nor the military can explain, Mr. Gore would remain at Fort Rucker for a lengthy period awaiting orders.” “When they finally came, he would spend less than five months in Vietnam, arriving on Jan. 8, 1971, to write newspaper and magazine articles. He was discharged on May 24, 1971.”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:35 pm(The Washington Times National Weekly Edition Nov. 28 – Dec. 4, 1994)
Mr. Smithee, you really cannot blame people.
After all, one stump fingered vulgarian is running for President. Another posts bizarre and insulting stuff with regularity on this blog. Misogynist, attacking family members, insulting military service, offending people of faith. This list goes on. Keep in mind that all of these person’s posts are like that.
It’s a choice.
Even Patterico called the person a troll. Started restricting particularly offensive words.
This didn’t stop the person.
But you know the saying: what you reward, you get more of.
Which brings us back to Trump. The troll is so happy to have a fellow traveler running for President.
I think that you and I would both live in a very different world.
Personally, I think this is but the tip of the endlessly embarrassing iceberg to come.
I think that Patterico deserves a medal. Free speech is a lovely thing, but none of us invite weirdos into our home and have them drink our booze and insult our guests…on our dime.
There will be more to come. What is rewarded one gets more of…what is punished one gets less of.
Thank you for your cogent and careful posts, by the way.
Simon Jester (1d2cec) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:36 pmkiss today goodbye
the sweetness and the sorrow
and i won’t forget
what i did for trump
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:42 pmRonald Reagan spent WWII making Army films. You go where they send you. It’s in Bible. “For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes.”
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:42 pmwhat i did for trump
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:43 pmdetroit style
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:44 pmsquirrel becomes squirrel soup.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/05/29/fncs-wallace-slams-dem-rep-hillary-email-defense-done-colin-powell/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:45 pmi want to move to melbourne
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:52 pmaustralia, well this is what one fellow, who’s been agnostic on trump, thinks,
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/faith_threatened/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 9:57 pmit’s a frontier town still in a lot of ways
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 10:07 pmThis was a great post, Dana. I’ll go back to my first comment. Even if nothing comes out of Kristol’s plans, it feels wonderful to see Trump get poked with a stick.
nk (dbc370) — 5/29/2016 @ 10:23 pmyou be defining wonderful down my friend
take a beat
happyfeet (831175) — 5/29/2016 @ 10:24 pmYou know what’s funny? Back in 2014, Kristol declared that Sarah Palin would be “formidable” as a presidential contender in 2016…
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/29/2016 @ 10:58 pmBe sure and use that as an opener when dealing with the Aussies.
lol
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/29/2016 @ 11:02 pmit used to be, there are much fewer mick dundees, and more of the idiots of the abc, and the morning herald, as tim blair points out,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 11:11 pmthis is why her endorsement, which I disagree with, carried weight,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/29/2016 @ 11:14 pmTrump’s not acceptable, so why not roll the dice- depends who he puts up.
What if it was Ben Sasse or a conservative of that caliber? I doubt that but we’ll see.
Both Trump + Hillary at record unfavorabliity, there’s never been two such widely despised people running for US president.
I’m OK with anybody trying to do anything at this point…
Reaganite Republican (98e37e) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:27 amRomney had his chance – as did the country – in November 2012. Both blew that chance six ways from Sunday. And here we are.
And if you asked people today, who they voted for, enough people would be so embarrassed to admit they voted for Obama that any poll would show Romney “won.”
I say give them another chance.
Given the two GAWD-AWFUL candidates that the FAILED major parties have brought forward, a sane competent and collected man like Romney — who has seen the elephant, as they say — can attract the 60% or more that are not ideologues.
Colonel, would you really rather have President Trump or President Romney? Be honest.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:31 amand i won’t forget
what i did for trump
Neither will we.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:33 amBTW, does anyone remember the greasemonkey script for blocking particular commenters?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:42 amIntellectuals with no principles love them some traitorous jew.
mg (31009b) — 5/30/2016 @ 2:39 amIf anyone knows the answer to Kevin M’s question, I too would LOVE to see a Patterico comments section that’s actually readable again.
Patterico, I’ve pretty much stopped reading your comments section. One commenter has singlehandedly made them unusable for me. He is having a WORSE effect than a troll would do. Consider this a sincere request to ban “happyfeet” from commenting, because his comments add nothing to the discussion and take away a LOT.
Thank you.
Robin Munn (b1072d) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:11 amThis is openly advocating for Hillary. Anyone on a 3rd party bandwagon that is intended to split the R vote and not the D vote deserves to be counted with the democrats. Common goals are what allies cooperate for.
Mr Black (7c41e5) — 5/30/2016 @ 5:01 amI’m pretty sure when Einstein said that, he had in mind that when you stopped doing the same thing over and over, you would not simply be doing something else to get the desired result, you would be doing something that actually got you closer to it.
Trump does not make sense.
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 5/30/2016 @ 5:16 amThe customers at Trump’s casinos. Or any other casino.
nk (dbc370) — 5/30/2016 @ 5:27 amSin ce wh en i s good bye tw o wor ds?
Mitch (bfd5cd) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:26 amUPDATE BY PATTERICO: It seems Trump will get a convenient scapegoat. This frees Ted Cruz to refuse to endorse Trump without being Goat Number One. We’ll see what the name is.
Patterico (97cb17) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:28 amBy the way, it goes without saying that this person, whoever it is, has zero chance. It likely does trash Trump’s chances though.
Patterico (97cb17) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:29 amRobin Munn: I think there is a script someone had to make people’s comments not show up. If anyone knows about that, let me know. I don’t like banning people. If it’s not one person bothering people it’s another, and then you get an echo chamber.
For constructive discussion of the Constitution, liberty, and free markets, there is the Constitutional Vanguard mailing list and the Facebook group, which is troll-free. Links on sidebar. I’m looking into setting up a forum on patterico.com for the CV list as soon as I can figure out the logistics (not everyone likes Facebook). So there are options and I am working on others. But I prefer to keep my main comments section open.
Patterico (97cb17) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:36 ammr trump doesn’t need the type of folks what would vote for a neo-con handpicked by harvardtrash kristol
he’ll make america great again with or without the pooper vote you’ll see
Patterico (97cb17) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:44 amThere is a script,
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:45 amI think haney o’taney made it
There are people who use it
If we keep the request at the forefront I am pretty sure someone will tell us about it
P, maybe you should make a link to it on the R when it appears
With God anything is possible,
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:48 amand I still think it is possible for a common sense candidate to arise that can through the election to the house
There are many people who do not like the two most unlikable candidates ever,
But the person will need to arise to the occasion, not backed by the establishment
Throw
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:49 amfelipe has it and uses it. He and Milhouse both posted it within this past year. I did not copy or bookmark it because “what for?” Just scroll up instead of down in the comments section.
nk (dbc370) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:53 amPatrick, could you edit #126 to omit my erroneously-included surname?
Mitch (bfd5cd) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:00 amA question: Under the current Republican convention rules, the GOP delegates are bound on the first ballot but is this also true for the VP nominee?
My recollection is that the Presidential nominee’s VP choice is typically accepted overwhelmingly or by acclamation, but can the delegates vote for anyone they want for VP on the first ballot?
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:10 amKevin, your silly question is a strange to begin my Monday, but I’ll indulge you and suffer the fool. I’d rather have a President Romney. In fact, I would have preferred he’d served every term since Reagan’s last instead of who we had.
Now bugger off. This is a day to commemorate fallen heroes.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:46 amYes but there is a difference between banning trolls an echo chamber. As much as the pro Trump people like papertiger and ropelight annoy me they aren’t trolls. They believe in their candidate and defend him. I think that’s okay.
happyfeet is a different story. He’s a pure troll. You may not like banning people but unlike the above people he brings the discussion down. You need to have some minimum standards, and you need to either tell happyfeet to meet them or be banned. I would have banned him months ago.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:50 amI don’t think Einstein said that.
Bill Clinton said that, claiming to have read it somewhere, I think.
http://throwgrammarfromthetrain.blogspot.com/2010/10/definition-of-insanity.html
Like everything else Bill linton said, it was a lie, and not just in its attribution.
It’s not true that it is the definition of insanity or that you will not get a different result. If you didn’t occasionally get a different result, Communism would never have come to an end. Nor would there ever have been a civil right revolution in the United States.
Ad why do you think Bill Clinton said that? I’m sure the idea Bill Clinton wanted to communicate is that it was useless to attempt to defeat him and expose him for breaking the law. Because other people tried and failed.
Einstein, in fact, was for keeping on trying things. (albeit maybe finding better tactics and adjusting them)
http://www.aeinstein.org/about/
Sammy Finkelman (ff521e) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:57 amPatterico (97cb17) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:36 am :
Milhouse, who still sometimes posts on this blog.
Sammy Finkelman (ff521e) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:59 amHappy feet is like a complex red wine- you can sip the wine now and/or cellar it waiting for the evolution of the wine.
mike191 (4c004d) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:03 am136. DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:10 am
No, and that’s why John McCain didn’t name his first choice for Vice President: Joe Lieberman.
Who, if that had happened, would havr been the first person to run for vice president on the tickets of two different political parties – within a span of 8 years!
Yes, they can, of course.
BTW, when John McCain decided he couldn’t pick Joe Lieberman, either because he feared the convention would reject him, or because too many people would not support the Republican ticket if he did, he was reduced to the remaining people on his short list, because of the Eagleton affair.
The people on it had been picked partially for show, and of the choices he had left, he liked Sarah Palin best. Maybe she was the only one on it he actually liked at all. His mistake was in claiming she was most qualified. He could have said he liked her ethics (which then looked good) and it is easier to teach an ethical person facts, than to teach a knowledgable person ethics.
And he could have aaid that by the time it mattered she would learn what she needed to know, and even if she had to take over right away there’d be a cabinet picked etc; in sum that the chances she’d have to take over in a moment of ignorance were really pretty small.
Sammy Finkelman (ff521e) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:12 amShe was the most qualified, of the four candidates, culvahouse who worked in the Reagan administration vetted her.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:18 amTheer are limits on campaign contributions. But they do not apply to the candidate. The candidates for president and vice president run as a combined ticket at the level of the individual voter. That means a very rich person can be named as a candidate for vice president and contribute an unlimited amount of money, since it is to his own campaign. Ceryaainly of the ads mention his name too.
That is, in fact what David Koch did in 1980, when he was the Libertarian candidate for vice president. He said he liked the experience of campaigning, because he did campaign, too. But he was picked for his ability to legally contribute money to the campaign.
And, because of the way the 12th amendment is written, while the presidential candidate would have a shot at actually becoming president, his vice presidential candidate would not. No risk of having to assume office.
So – David Koch for vice president. (it doesn’t have to be someone like David Koch, it can be David Koch himself!)
You have to hope that the right person will be prevailed upon to run for president – and that’s not Mitt Romney. Bill Kristol doesn’t have all that good judgement.
It’s got to be someone who is head and shoulders above Hillary Clintn and Donald Trump, in integrity and in capability – and he could have some executive experience – and he’s got to attract Democrats, which means he can’t be down the line in favor of Republican tropes. Whatever he’s for, he’s got to be able to make a real case for.
Sammy Finkelman (ff521e) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:30 amBy the way, it goes without saying that this person, whoever it is, has zero chance. It likely does trash Trump’s chances though.
An interesting assertion. Wrong, I believe. Care to back it up?
I know some rational Democrats who are unhappy about Hillary’s lies and sleaze, but are not so stupid as to prefer Bernie. They also say things like “We probably would have been better off with Romney that what Obama has delivered.”
Not all Dems are on board with the BLM/PC crap. Not all Dems think public employee unions should be backed to the hilt. Not all Dems oppose sanity.
After the last 16 years, competence and sanity will look pretty good. Trump doesn’t offer those and neither does Hillary.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:43 amCalifornia, rational democrats, facts not in evidence.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:45 amI’d rather have a President Romney. In fact, I would have preferred he’d served every term since Reagan’s last instead of who we had
As would I. I have said before that he was the best prospective president the GOP had offered since Reagan. And, excepting Reagan, the best in my lifetime.
Trump would be the worst, although it’s a close race with Dole.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:46 amMitch – done
JD (7fd277) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:47 amyes yes i bet you 16 pickles and a pina colada billy serves up some grade a white male harvardtrash for our delectation
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:48 amA nice guy a Howard baker perhaps in the 1980 template, perhaps popup
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:51 amyes yes i bet you 16 pickles and a pina colada billy serves up some grade a white male harvardtrash for our delectation
RuPaul would be better than Trump.
nk (dbc370) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:58 amJohn O’Sullivan has some words that may be of interest
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:59 amSheryl Attkisson’s “Definitive Hillary Clinton Email Timeline” https://sharylattkisson.com/hillary-clintons-email-the-definitive-timeline/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:05 amDeath to the Demoness Dowager Clinton!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:06 amClinton delenda est
It makes a pleasing opening salutation as well as a firm close to any remarks regarding Clinton.
Rick Ballard (161c5b) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:10 amJust a little food for thought…Sir Edmund Hillary’s email scandal is getting worse. With the tightening poll numbers suggesting Trump might even have a decent shot at beating her, maybe Barack authorizes the DOJ to charge her, thereby eliciting her to withdraw, enabling Joe Biden to snatch the nomination.
Trump VS Biden; The Hair Club for Men’s Dream Match-up!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:17 amThe Atlantic agrees with Sammy that there are no restrictions on who the GOP delegates vote for for VP. I guess the idea is that delegates will support the Presidential nominee’S VP choice in a show if unity. But what if they don’t this time? What if they pick Cruz?
I know it sounds bizarre to pick someone who might not even endorse Trump, and even more bizarre to accept, but it would cement Cruz as the heir apparent. In addition, if Trump somehow won the Presidency, Cruz and Led will be completely marginalized by McConnell in the Senate. They won’t be able to do anything. At least as a marginalized VP, Cruz could try to influence Trump and/or carve out an area of influence where he could promote conservatism without anyone expecting him to support Trump the way a traditional VP would.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:23 amFurthermore, this scenario might undermine the success of a GOP establishment independent/third party candidate.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:26 amAnd it would keep Texas red.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:26 amIt would be like President Adams and VP Jefferson, only from the same Party.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:28 amDo we think the spoon of scranton@ is the giant killer?
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 9:39 am“117.Trump’s not acceptable, ”
Acceptable to who? He won the vast majority of the votes and the states. So he was clearly acceptable to actual VOTERS.
Did you see the Rolling Thunder videos & photos? Guess Trump is acceptable to THEM.
This is all so sorta funny.
Trump wins with voters, but a tiny minority of self-appointed pundits wave their hankies and sniff and declare “But he is not acceptable to *us*, sweetie.” Get a clue. The only people who care what you guys think are the other couple of dozen in the tent with you.
Just who is Trump “not acceptable” to? Weekly Standard. National Review.
Who are they? “Since it was founded in 1995, The Weekly Standard has never been profitable.” “National Review … Since its launch, the magazine has operated as a not-for-profit entity”
These are vanity magazines. They are not supported by actual grass-roots people. They don’t speak for anybody except the people who run them.
Guess what? Actual voters don’t care what you self-appointed gatekeepers say. Actual voters don’t pay any attention to you, and don’t accept your claims to be the gatekeepers.
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:04 amI don’t think it’s an assertion that can be backed up or falsified before the fact. Just that lack of ballot access plus traditional assumptions that only the GOP or Dem candidates are viable will drive most voters to one party or another. But discontent with Trump is strong enough that a reasonable-looking alternative will drain enough votes from him to elect Clinton. I could be wrong. Let’s see who Kristol has in mind.
Patterico (fbc353) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:04 amIt is interesting that national review didn’t endorse in 1980 or 84.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:08 amThe Atlantic article was written in April, on the day after the New York primary but before the Acela primary if the date is correct (online dates tend to be correct, printed dates are often earlier than dated) so that scenario is based on the situation as it was then, but not now, but the rules it is built on are correct.
I don’t really see Cruz trying for VP, especially over the objections of Trump. You could see a contested vote for VP if some people are very, very unhappy with the person Trump names. (and you could have seen one in 2008 if McCain had picked Lieberman)
You could see an Adams and Jefferson situation if the election gets thrown into the House.
if Trump somehow won the Presidency, Cruz and Led will be completely marginalized by McConnell in the Senate
I assume “Led” is a typo or created by Autocorrect. I can’t figure out what it is supposed to be.
Sammy Finkelman (ff521e) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:10 amLee whose brother is in trump’s list of judicial nominees.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:14 amWho could Kristol POSSIBLY have in mind? Of all the Rubios and Ryans and Romneys in all the world, why haven’t we ever heard of this “strong” candidate before? If that person could not make any mark in the GOP primary process, (and most of the candidates were weak or awful,) what magic pixie dust makes the person the right choice now?
Not that I don’t wish for a viable alternative. My only comfort now is “anything can happen” meaning last minute substitutions on either side.
SarahW (67599f) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:14 amRock n’ RollCriminal StewSitting in a funk all night long
Thinking ’bout Trump and how hope’s all gone
How Clinton’s a toad and she’s just wasting her time
Send her to jail cuz she’s committed some crimes
When she’s gone, gone, gone, I won’t care
‘Cause she’s gone, gone, gone
I won’t care, s’where she belongs
She’s gone all toad again
May to November is a mighty long time
Being indicted can bring her down
A load in her pantsuit her mouth’s all goin’
Eyes are movin’ but there’s no life showin’
When she’s gone, gone, gone, I won’t care
‘Cause she’s gone, gone, gone
I won’t care, s’where she belongs
She’s gone all toad again
Now that it’s day again, things are much better
Teh pool’s outside and I’m gonna get wetter
No matter what she say, no matter what she do,
Gonna end up in the middle of that criminal stew
And she’ll be gone, gone, gone and I won’t care
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:43 amCuz she’ll be gone, gone, gone
I won’t care, s’where she belongs
A jailhouse toad, my friend
When in the last 100 years has a third party not helped the left win? Just askin’. Any third party run will guarantee Hillary the Presidency.
If you actually believe “on either side” you are naïve. Hillary will never be indicted let alone convicted of any crime an will not step down, be removed or be substituted by anyone. Hillary is a democrat team player, part of the racketeer influenced corrupt political organization known as the democrat party and like John Corzine, immune to any consequences for any act. The worst that would happen to Hillary would be a “reprimand” for not properly following protocol an perhaps a fine. And even they would be pardoned “for the good of the country” (like any democrat does any thing at any time for any reason for the good of the country).
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:53 amSo, like Trump University. Only with happy patrons.
JP (bd5dd9) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:04 am67. 124. 139. The actual source, according to the web site I cited, isn’t Bill Clinton (although he populatized it) but Narcotics Anonymnous and its predecessors. I think Bill Clinton never gave his source.
It’s in the Basic Text of Narcotics Anonymous (work began in 1979, and a review form of the book was distrubuted to members in 1981 and it was published in 1982/1983 – the date printed in the book is 1982, but a source said it really was published in March 1983 – see http://www.rarebooksmailinglist.com/pipermail/rarebooks_rarebooksmailinglist.com/2005-September/003380.html
https://tymora42.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/who-said-the-definition-of-insanity-is-doing-the-same-thing-over-and-over-and-expecting-different-results/
It was also supposed to have appeared in a 1980 pamphlet from the Hazelden Foundation, but it is actually only in the substantially revised edition of 1992.
http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2013/10/einstein.html
Narcotics Anonymous was a spinoff from alcoholics Anonymous, founded in 1953 by Jimmy Kinnon, altoh some attempts went back a number of years before, and grew out of Addicts Anonymous in Lexington, Kentucky.
The quote also supposedly was in the book *Letters to Solovine: 1906-1955,* by Albert Einstein, but it is not to be found in that book.
The Hazelton Foundaton was based in Minnesota, and founded in 1948 or 1949, when it dealt with educated alcoholics somewhat on the model of tuberculosis sanitariums. It developed what was called the Minnesota model – what is probably now just called re-hab – where people stay for weeks. A big change took place in 1966, when it began to move away from 12-steps and complete abstinence. It recently merged (2014) with the Betty Ford Center (founded 1982) and seems now to be close to the Clinton campaign.
Sammy Finkelman (ff521e) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:12 amYou can make anything sound profound if you put a famous person’s name after it. — Winston Churchill
nk (dbc370) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:20 amTrumpkins like Fred seem to be intent on making sure that those that supported other candidates will not move over to the Trump column. That pile of BS, fall in line, Team R uber alles, be a team player, if you oppose Trump you are helping Clinton is complete nonsense and no longer an acceptable alternative.
JD (7203ad) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:20 amThe trouble with quotes on the internet is that it’s hard to verify their provenance. — Abraham Lincoln
nk (dbc370) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:21 amRev Hoagie, I share your disdain for the criminal enterprise known as the Democrat Party. They certainly do take care of their own. However, the Obamas and Clintons loathe each other. The leaks thus far about Hillary’s email server were only leaked because the Oval Office winked at it.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:24 amObama desperately wants a Democrat — any Democrat — to win in November, because a Republican winning would be a repudiation of his presidency.
I think if polling shows Trump gaining more momentum AND it looks like public sentiment about Hillary’s snowballing email scandal could do further damage to her candidacy, Barack might want to knock her out of the race by greenlighting some irreparably damaging leaks about her, thereby eliciting her to withdraw, opening the door for another Democrat who stands a better chance of winning in November.
That substitute candidate might be Hairplugs Joe Biden.
It’s probably not all going to happen, but it’s fun food for thought. Just like when you’re watching a football game, and you think, “Hey, I have a feeling there might be a trick play coming up right about now.”
169. Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 5/30/2016 @ 10:53 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1924
Of course, LaFollette was running more or less from the left.
In 1948, there were two third parties, both defections from the Democratic Party, but Harry Truman nevertheless won.
In 1968, there was a third party candidate (with a rather unclear platform actually, but the candidate was a former segregationist governor) and the Republican won the general election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968
Sammy Finkelman (ff521e) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:27 am#174 nk,
That reminds me of the quote by George Washington about how they just don’t make movies like they did in the old days.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:27 amThanks Sammy, I didn’t know that. I was thinking more of guys like Perot. But I can’t think of any third party pick who would hurt the democrat and not the Republican candidate today. Maybe Oprah.
Rev. Hoagie© (734193) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:46 amAlso note that 39% of the popular is the absolute minimum anyone has ever won a majority of the electoral college with. Lincoln got 39.65% of the electoral vote in a highly regional election — he was not even on the ballot in the south.
Clinton-Trump-Romney looks now to split about 40-40-20, and if Romney can make it 25% he can probably force it into the House, where the choice is him or Trump.
Of course if the candidate is someone else, without a built-in following, the spoiler claim will be more valid.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:01 pmBut I can’t think of any third party pick who would hurt the democrat and not the Republican candidate today. Maybe Oprah.
Bernie for the Greens.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:01 pmHillary and Trump both have a favorability deficit of 20 or more points. Maybe that will change as the race goes on but Obama and Romney were nowhere near that bad.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:02 pmYes,
As I have said before,
the Dem nominee will be whoever Obama wants it to be.
Clinton will be gone in the blink of an eye if Obama or Jarrett say the word.
Whoever the Dem candidate is, they will be beholden to Obama.
And if Clinton is the nominee, she is subject to blackmail from who knows how many people.
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:02 pmShe will not know who to cow tow to.
That is why Crichton named it the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia Syndrome.
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:05 pmI sure hope it is not Romney, he would be about as bad as they could choose, imo.
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:06 pmromney’s definitely perverted enough to do it though
we’ll have to track down candy crowley so she can kick his ass again
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:08 pmMe, among millions of others.
Who am I? A black American from San Francisco who believed MSM schtuff about Republicans and right-of-center folk in general. Then I questioned conventional wisdom of the left for purely informational purposes, and got answers that didn’t make sense.
As I’ve mentioned before, three things were integral in my slow and steady drift toward the center and to the right: Recognizing liberal media bias during the persecution of Dr. Eric Foretich, Western victory in the Cold War without the United States having to engage in unilateral disarmament (which the left insisted was the only way to avoid a nuclear holocaust), and Michael Medved’s bestseller Hollywood vs. America, which capsulized just about everything that I had said to others about the immorality of the entertainment industry.
So, do the Rolling Thunder participants’ opinions count more than mine? And how many of them are simply settling for Trump, like so many others whose first choices were shut down, but who will still accept anything but Hillary?
National Review is supported by 150,000 subscribers and has the widest circulation of any opinion magazine in the United States.
Well, you’re partially right about that. Trump has proven to be a veritable Rasputin on the national stage, and he has mesmerized people into rejecting skepticism about him without even reading it.
Oh, I almost forgot — having rejected the warnings from “self-appointed gatekeepers,” you may not be aware that being like Rasputin is not good for a country, but it sure as hell is good to be Rasputin.
L.N. Smithee (e92da8) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:09 pmKristol using Memorial Day to announce save-all candidate is akin to Trump using Memorial Day to promote…himself. Both distasteful and without class.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:20 pmPatterico, do we all have to hear good and decent people (whom we might not wish to be President) called perverted all the time? Particularly by a person with an, um, uneven record of honesty and manners?
Honestly?
I mean, without responding to trolls by becoming them
Simon Jester (b57e2d) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:21 pmMr. Smithee, I am with you. I don’t know you, but I appreciate your posts and style.
It’s hard to be heard over the noise around here, but thank you for trying.
Simon Jester (b57e2d) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:22 pmBy the way, Mr. Smithee: I loved the Nina Totenberg story on your blog.
Simpson was great.
Simon Jester (b57e2d) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:25 pmperennial candidate mitt romney is a very deeply disturbed person
i hope his family can find the resources to get him the help he needs
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:31 pmFolks you can do what I do with HF.
kishnevi (22ac03) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:34 pmScroll on to the next comment without bothering to read his verbiage.
oh my goodness weirdo do we really need another climate change pansy in the race?
see this is why Mr. Trump is such a better choice than a democrat like Hillary or Mitt – he’s the only one with a moral compass and the courage to challenge tired leftist orthodoxy
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:39 pmTrolls are just H8rs. And they stink up the joint.
I’m with LN Smithee on this.
Simon Jester (b57e2d) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:41 pmReminds me of a few months (or was it years?) back when it was Finkelman
being voted off the island“making the comment section unreadable”.I’m not certain Sam even takes a side. He’s just sort of off point and annoying.
I like vague. If it isn’t to annoy people why even have a comment section is my thinking.
And then there’s happyfeet, with a clear message, always on point, knows who the real enemy is, and doesn’t pull his punches for appearances sake.
Refreshing.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:45 pmSo if I complain about someone then *poof*, they just disappear never to bother me again? Is that the way it works?
Okay.
Pat there is a person up @122 named Dunn trying to club the penguin. She’s damaging my calm. Making the comment section unreadable.
Do your duty.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:46 pmSafe spaces. Feel our pain.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:48 pmthank you Mr. tiger
people can be so mean sometimes
they don’t even think how what they say might hurt somebody’s feelings
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:51 pmWho’s ready for Hillary?
Robin Munn @ 122 is ready for Hillary.
I’m betting a dollar.
Any takers?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:51 pmYeah happy. Looks like this one is pro bono.
You’re welcome.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 12:55 pmYou know, papertiger, when you call people perverts and hootchies and other immature junior high school nonsense, it’s kind of a different thing. I think you know that.
I also know you like the troll because he (for now) agrees with you. But you tend to get angry when people disagree with you.
The thing about Sammy is that he would actually speak that way in person.
Ditto “Mark” who was banned for repeating bizarre statements.
The important thing, for me, is that this isn’t my site. Nor do I pay for it (how much does it cost, Patterico?). Stinking up a place (as opposed to having different ideas) that you don’t pay for is kind of a bad thing. Like having an jerk come to your party acting all drunk and insulting other guests.
It’s all up to the host, no matter what you or I think.
And when people start leaving the party because of a jerk, eventually the host will get tired of it.
Some people actively look for boundaries.
Simon Jester (b57e2d) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:03 pmbill kristol is a low life scum who helped get 5,000 americans killed in iraq telling everyone how easy it would be to invade iraq. he was wrong then and has been wrong every since. he is funded by rich neo-con artists who donald trump is running out of the republican party and replacing them with populists. he wants clinton to win but his rich neo-con donors don’t want to say so publicly.
david horowitz (ab8fdd) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:09 pmIs there w word that has become more meaningless than neocon?
JD (7203ad) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:16 pmYou enjoyed the Obama years. Raise your hand if you want seconds.
Robin Munn @122 wants more (YouTube). Come on up Robin. Her and Billy Kristol.
And they don’t care who knows it.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:18 pmThese guys are just so very special… http://youtu.be/ei2i1NelYV0
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:24 pmSammy douses his own fire.
Then he’ll go out of his way to put out the fires left behind other people.
I like Sam.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:25 pmRev. Hoagie© (734193) — 5/30/2016 @ 11:46 am
You must have known 1968, but you probably just didn’t think about it, and I don’t know if anybody has settled on what the effect was on the 2-party race.
I think the definitive answer is, initially, while Perot was hurting Bush, he was hurting Clinton more, preventing Clinton from becoming the lead opposition candidate, so much so in fact that Clinton was coming in third! People knew Clinton couldn’t be tristed in 1992. Jerry Brown said: “A scandal a week” Look at this:
http://www.pollingreport.com/hibbitts1202.htm
The people preparing the Waco raid on the Branch Davidians noticed this, and stopped preparations (it was being organized by Friend of Bill Little Rock BATF head Bill Buford – work on the Waco search warrant did not resume until Bill Clinton was elected president. Just check he dates mentioned in the search warrant. Bill Clinton had to murder the Branch Davidians to protect him, and maybe himself.)
Then Perot quit, probably in part as a result of dirty tricks done by the Clinton campaign. Perot wasn’t crazy to believe that Bush planned to disrupt his daughter’s wedding – just misinformed. Maybe a bit stupid, too. It’s not enough sometimes not to repeat something – sometimes you’ve got not to believe it yourself. Real threats of course, should not be ignored, but you have to know how to tell the difference.
Perot getting in and then quitting really hurt Bush because people weren’t going to go back to Bush after having decided not to vote for him. Bush did not get more than 37% in any 2-man poll during the period of time that Perot was oput of the race. (that’s with about 5% undecided or no answer)
Later, after he got back in the race, Perot was hurting Clinton more, (as compared with 2-man polls, but maybe not compared with how things would have been if he never had entered the race in the first place.)
In the final week or so, I think it’s possible that people who had said in polls that in a 2-man race they favored Bush, disproportionately left Perot, and people who would favor Clinton more didn’t leave Perot so much, because what caused a drop at that stage maybe was Perot revealing that it had been a report about an attempt to interfere with his daughter’s wedding that caused him quit, and that would cause people who wouldn’t believe such a charge to leave hom for Bush. People whi did believe it would not switch to Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/26/us/1992-campaign-overview-perot-says-he-quit-july-thwart-gop-dirty-tricks.html?pagewanted=all
Now it was probably true that a “top Republican” had told him this, but this Republican was probably a doubke agent secretly working for Clinton. It’s known that the Clinton campaign had the advance text of Bush TV ads, so that when they ran, they were able to come up with a counter ad instantly. This has been blamed on a leak at a later stage of production. We know also that Bush turned away any bad information about Clinton as a result of advice he received from someone in his campaign.
Anyway, in the final tally it was actually a wash and about as many people who actually voted for Perot would have voted for Clinton as for Bush.
http://www.pollingreport.com/hibbitts1202.htm
Now, in reality, it can’t be true that as many as 24% would not have voted. So maybe more than half of those who said they wouldn’t have voted (for either major party candidate) but who would in fact have done so, would have voted for Bush. But they wouldn’t have wanted to.
I’d try to think first of any satte that a third party candidate could throw to Hillary Clinton. I’m not sure what. It may depend on how strong that third party candidate is and where his suport comes from. This requires careful polling and a state by state analysis because it’s probably different in different states, and is also affected by active campaigning or not.
Sammy Finkelman (ae45c5) — 5/30/2016 @ 2:25 pmdavid horowitz (ab8fdd) — 5/30/2016 @ 1:09 pm
I don’t know if Bill Kristol as saying that, but it was easy (although still, a few Americans, some known to some people by name, got killed.)
What wasn’t easy was winning the peace.
It’s another case of the United States winning the war but losing the peace. The enemies of the United States’ goals in Iraq did not stop with Saddam Hussein and the Ba’ath Party. They were not all, or mostly, “bitter clingers” in Donald Rumsefeld’ words.
Iran and Syria (and probably also Gulf states and/or institutions) did not want this to be a success – I mean because then we might go after some more dictatorships – and they funded (and created even) the Mahdi army and Al Qaeda in Iraq (Saddam Hussein had ceded actually a small tiny corner of northern Iraq to al Qaeda. From this seed eventually AQI and ISIS and ISIS grew)
The United States didn’t even really win the peace when it dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Among the results were, after some incompetence and stupidity over a period of years, Mao’s rule in China and the Korean War. The Vietnam War too. All a result of forcing Japan to surrender. If saying that is stupid, then so is saying that the Iraq war led to 5,000 Americans dying and was a mistake from the beginning. Because none of that was inevitable.
Sammy Finkelman (ae45c5) — 5/30/2016 @ 2:37 pmNo, he was just moderated. If he has any comments that don’t say “this is why I am suspicious of people letting out their inner Peggy Noonan and David Brooks with the crease in the pants, I suspect Patterico may have these libral tendencies” he can leave them. I got tired of that same comment being written and posted 10,000 times in a row.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/30/2016 @ 2:44 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwjr57Nk9DA
The thing about horses is that they are tall.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/30/2016 @ 2:47 pmI do not dislike horses. Goddammit.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/30/2016 @ 2:54 pmCows are shorter.
Steve57 (e33d44) — 5/30/2016 @ 2:57 pmI commend Patterico for hosting an open forum that welcomes differing views. In the past, the views may have varied but they were almost always serious views. Unfortunately, that isn’t true now. Even our host has tired of the less than serious discussons and is exploring other ways/places to discuss meaningful topics. Frankly, I think the current political climate is too polarizing to do it any other way.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:11 pmUpdate from Kristol on the post… Trolling Trump. And it will, of course, work because Trump can’t help himself.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:17 pm“I’ve been studying persuasion for decades and when I saw Trump last summer displaying the tools of persuasion I thought, ‘Oh my God, he’s not a crazy clown. Everything he’s doing, including his complete ignoring of the facts, is persuasion perfection. I called him to be the landslide winner in the general election last year.
Essentially he’s basically bringing a flamethrower to a stick fight. There’s nobody using the same tools that he’s using. So his complete ignoring of facts are actually part of the persuasion because he doesn’t give you targets. He doesn’t give you details of his policies, usually. So he’s reducing the number of targets while making you feel good and focusing on the things he wants. So it’s not about facts, it’s about focus and attention.”
– Scott Adams
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:20 pmwhat’s billy trying to accomplish exactly
these are trashbag liz mair type tactics
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:23 pmTrump likes to troll and attack conservatives, even though he is the presumptive GOP nominee. It’S like Rick Ballard said yesterday: Trump acts like he’s a Democrat and Republicans are the other team. Especially females. Trump seems to have a problem with women who aren’t subservient.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:23 pmIt’s about emotion, anger, and getting even, Haiku. Trump is the master of manipulating emotions. Americans used to recognize obvious con men tactics, but not anymore.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:26 pmi don’t think there’s any evidence at all that Mr. Trump aims his acerbic wit more at female poopers than at male poopers
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:28 pmTrump likes to troll and attack conservatives, even though he is the presumptive GOP nominee.
How many conservatives are trying to do an end run around the Grand Old Party, flanking maneuvers to ensure a happy outcome for the Democrat?
Trump isn’t taking bounties or firing wild into crowds.
That would be Wild Bill Kristol.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:44 pmThere are always people that are disappointed their guy lost but you didn’t see Romney, McCain or Bush trashing the losers or their supporters the way Trump does. He’s so used to losing he can’t operate any other way. And he does hate women, hf. It’s obvious to anyone who does the analysis.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:47 pmbill kristol’s like those people what run off half-cocked and shoot the gorilla that’s protecting the baby just cause the gorilla went to the wrong college and isn’t properly deferential to received neocon wisdoms
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:49 pmMartinez didn’t do anything to Trump but he still attacked her with lies intended to hurt her reputation with New Mexico voters in a purple/blue state. What a maroon Trump is.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:51 pmOr Trump is selfish and self-centered. I’ll let you be the judge.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:52 pmi think he likes women a lot he’s trying to make it to where the R party will stop advocating that rape victims should be forced to have a baby for their rapist
that’s not hating women that’s respecting them
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:52 pmMartinez got super tacky and abused her position at the RGA to attack the Republican frontrunner
she’s a pooper
i dismiss her disdainfully
happyfeet (831175) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:55 pmHe won the vast majority of the votes and the states
He did not win the majority of votes in the contested elections, let along the vast majority. He won a plurality. About 40%.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 3:59 pmperry heroin inspired riff was about this,
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263014/kristols-betrayal-gets-serious-david-horowitz
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:00 pmHere’s my theory: Trump wanted Martinez as VP and she soundly turned him down. His attack on her would be absolutely consistent with everything we know and have seen about him when he doesn’t get his way.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:03 pmMartinez dips her own bucket in the well.
Look at Wild Bill. Riding his pony, flailing at the air.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:05 pmMartinez denounced him last summer, yes I don’t think that was going anywhere, haley chose to target trump more readily than obama, so scratch that,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:10 pmBTW, in 1992, Perot ended up hurting Bush and came in third, but for a while it looked as if he would win.
However, Perot was having cold feet and was increasingly reluctant to move forward with his campaign, frustrating his supporters and campaign staff, and his poll numbers started dropping. In July, he announced that he would not run, and gave conflicting reasons for his decision, some of which were strange. When he finally reentered the race in October, the race had passed him by and his impact was greatly diminished.
Perot received 19% and no electoral votes. Bill Clinton won with 43%.
HOWEVER, had Perot continued his campaign as he had begun it, and not self-destructed as he did, there is no reason the believe that he would not have won the presidency as a 3rd party candidate in 1992. He was on the ballot of all 50 states despite his flubbed campaign.
It is utter nonsense to say that a third party cannot win — Perot simply chose not to. It requires political upheaval, major party failures, and organization, but it can be done.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:12 pmNope. Do you see happyfeet banned? No, you do not. Even though a lot of people complain about him.
I don’t ban people just because a lot of people complain. I like kishnevi’s approach. If you don’t like a particular commenter, skip their comments.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:13 pmSorry. Link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot#1992_presidential_candidacy
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:14 pmI don’t see the point or humor in what Kristol did.
Trump is a terrible candidate for president,
but Clinton is certainly not a preferred option.
All of the GOPe intelligencia should just be quiet and not attack whoever steps up to fill Cruz’s shoes at the moment, if we are so fortunate.
I don’t think an independent run should be made just to spite Trump,
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:16 pmbut I still hope for a meaningful alternative to Clinton/Trump.
There’s this other blog I used to comment on. Went back there to discover that it was a Trumpite blog that declared that Trump was the reincarnation of Ronald Reagan or some such. One little post and I was banned.
That’s how you get the sound of one hand clapping.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:17 pmCurrently the apparent candidates are the two most disliked ever.
MD in Philly (6d89d7) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:19 pmIf Perot could make the impact he had,
being who he was,
the right person could win it.
I dare say any number of us would not be here if our host were quick to ban offensive and silly commenters. I appreciate his tempered and tolerant approach.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:20 pmI don’t think an independent run should be made just to spite Trump,
but I still hope for a meaningful alternative to Clinton/Trump.
I agree. Do we have a name yet? If it’s Romney that’s one thing. If it’s Ben Sasse I dunno.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:23 pmGod bless Robin Munn @ 122 then, and as long as she sees fit to slog through the comments she is safe from the wiles of papertiger. This I swear as an oath to the occasion.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:25 pmCurrently the apparent candidates are the two most disliked ever.
Both parties would trade their mothers to the Saudis to have George HW Bush an Bill Clinton as candidates again, compared to what they have.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:26 pm“Trump may be kind of thuggish, but he’ll leave me alone. Hillary’s going to come looking for me, and she’s foolish and clueless enough to push and push until we normals get tired of it and start to push back. I, for one, prefer my country not to be sucked into a second civil war because some former president’s angry wife is playing out a freakish psychodrama revenge fantasy against all the guys who have rejected her, from her father to Bill to those of us male-identifying men who laugh at her cankles. Advantage Trump.”
– Kurt Schlichter
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:31 pmwell here’s one, the constitution party candidate,
http://www.castlereport.us/who-is-darrell-castle/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:33 pmno we’re in this mess, in part because those were the binary choices 24 years. kang and kodos in practical terms, poppy didn’t want to run and it showed, jackson stephens’ man razorback did and the rest is history,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:35 pmWhere did Schlichter pull that out of? Because that’s the way I feel about Tiny Donnie.
Frankly, I think he’s a secret swish who tries to cover up his limp-wristedness with an exaggerated show of masculinity. Including his “women-chasing”. He’d rather be “cruising”, in my opinion. And he’ll try to get his revenge on all the women he has to pretend to like and all the men who shame him just by being the kind of men his daddy wanted him to be.
nk (dbc370) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:49 pmIf you read what Bill Kristol said carefully – he didn’t say a candidate would announce during or right after the Memorial Day weekend. He was apparently making a boast about the future.
“Strong team” sounded very peculiar.
Sammy Finkelman (ae45c5) — 5/30/2016 @ 4:56 pmKristol is a fool.
steveg (fed1c9) — 5/30/2016 @ 5:51 pmThe voters want someone like Cruz or Trump this cycle.
Kristol will trot out Jon Huntsman or some other loser to lose this one out of spite
Kristol probably would have done the same if Cruz won… Kristol is in it for himself. He wants to keep getting invites to all the good cocktail parties and to dinners at the exclusive clubs so he can cozy up to the ruling class and maybe get considered as having a part in it as a reasonable Republican.
steveg (fed1c9) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:04 pmKristol realizes the barbarians are at HIS gate as well they should be
steveg,
Put down the Ron Paul Newsletter, and go drink a beer, eh?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:18 pmKristol Meth for the no Trumpers.
mg (31009b) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:26 pmFull circle: Mitch McConnell disses Republicans who won’t get behind Trump.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has endorsed Donald Trump, said Monday that “it’s disrespectful of the Republican electorate to say, ‘I’m smarter than you are, and I’m not going to support your choice.’”
Say the man who, for 6 years has disrespected the GOP voters and their choices. He was the first guy all the Trumpies wanted to hang, and now he’s sitting at the head table breaking break with the Big Guy. It’s enough to make you cynical.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/30/mcconnell-not-supporting-trump-is-disrespecting-gop-voters-video/#ixzz4ABzO64Sr
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:28 pmKristol probably would have done the same if Cruz won
Yeah, I remember all those #NeverCruz guys. Oh, wait.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:29 pmIf you read what Bill Kristol said carefully – he didn’t say a candidate would announce during or right after the Memorial Day weekend. He was apparently making a boast about the future.
Well, considering that they are already about 2 months late to the game, it really won’t matter very soon.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:30 pmI believe Kristol anticipated the reflexive response from the Trump monkey. I’m trying to think of a billionaire (one with actual money) who would enjoy poking the Trump monkey enough to spend a few million poking him while Trump waits for the RNC to provide him the funds and campaign structure to stumble towards defeat.
Rick Ballard (161c5b) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:30 pmwell steyer who made his money in coal, high priest of sky dragon, the raha tep, is going after him,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:32 pmhappy now,
http://ktla.com/2016/05/27/california-billionaire-tom-steyer-launches-spanish-language-ads-attacking-donald-trump/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:35 pm#251 Kevin M,
It’s not cynicism, it’s just recognizing reality.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:36 pmEither Hillary or Trump is going to become the next President.
The Senate Majority Leader can’t go hide in the basement and play video games for the next four years.
why is steyer moved to this gesture, not because of his sudden solicitousness of hispanics,
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/28/greens-blame-donald-trump-for-crumbling-paris-climate-accord/
his travismockasham@bananas, is coming under fire,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 6:56 pmEither Hillary
or Trumpis going to become the next President.It won’t be Trump. When that become bloody obvious we’re going to need Plan B.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:32 pmI will also point out that Trump is not the nominee yet. He has plenty of time to self-destruct in a way that will cause the Convention to find a way to selection someone else.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:34 pmGo Warriors!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:49 pmKevin M,
Paint me a scenario where Trump self-destructs. What would have to happen? I’m entirely serious here.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:53 pmKevin M,
You’re moving the goalposts. Maybe Trump WILL self-destruct, thereby requiring a Romney or Ryan to step in as the nominee.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:56 pmBut you were criticizing McConnell for mending fences with Trump, and I’m just pointing out that’s the reality of reality — McConnell has to do that. If Trump becomes Prez, the Senate Majority Leader will need to have a working relationship with him.
251Say the man who, for 6 years has disrespected the GOP voters and their choices. He was the first guy all the Trumpies wanted to hang, and now he’s sitting at the head table breaking break with the Big Guy. It’s enough to make you cynical.
It was Cruz who was constantly undermining McConnell, I don’t think Trump had anything much against him.
James B. Shearer (3a7ef7) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:56 pm262 Paint me a scenario where Trump self-destructs. What would have to happen? I’m entirely serious here.
He is killed in a private plane crash after browbeating the pilot into attempting to land in bad weather. Other than something like that he is the nominee.
James B. Shearer (3a7ef7) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:59 pmBut James! What if Trump were caught in an obvious lie?! Or indicated that he would rule like a dictator?! Or suggested that he would strip Americans of fundamental rights?! Surely that would do him in!!!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:10 pmTee hee. Yup, plan for the plane crash contingency. Otherwise, resign yourself.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:11 pmyou’re thinking of this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgbZAwIhVw\
or perhaps the dead zone,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:19 pmropelight
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/30/2016 @ 8:49 pmKevin M (25bbee) — 5/30/2016 @ 7:32 pm
Sammy Finkelman (febafc) — 5/31/2016 @ 6:47 amTrump is such an idiotically obtuse ass clown, I’ve decided to vote Hillary just to piss him and his chowder-headed disciples right the hell off.
You wanna burn sh*t down? Fine. Let’s do this.
Hillary ’16.
Eric in Hollywood (89f527) — 5/31/2016 @ 8:24 amTick-tock, Bill.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/31/2016 @ 9:08 amPaint me a scenario where Trump self-destructs. What would have to happen? I’m entirely serious here.
Oh, I don’t know, the man is so unpredictable and outlandish. Maybe things I’d consider a melt-down would be just additions to the legend for his fans. But…
* He goes on a long tirade about America’s allies in Europe and Japan, saying how he’d like to nuke the F out of the lot of them, the ungrateful snots.
* His plans for Making all Hispanic-looking individuals prove their right to be in the US get out, along with the sites for the camps for those who cannot.
* He comes out in favor of a single-payer health plan and a guaranteed annual income paid for by a new national sales tax on top of higher income taxes.
* He calls the Marines a bunch of Nancy-boys.
* Seven NY madams hold a joint press conference listing their numerous contacts with Mr Trump and how he seems to have to pay for most of his sex.
* His tax records are “accidentally” released showing that he makes tons of money off of Chinese sweatshops and pays no taxes.
Hard to say.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/31/2016 @ 9:20 amYou wanna burn sh*t down? Fine. Let’s do this.
Hillary ’16.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/31/2016 @ 9:21 amthat’s a terrible idea
happyfeet (831175) — 5/31/2016 @ 9:22 am(misclick)
You wanna burn sh*t down? Fine. Let’s do this.
Hillary ’16.
Bernie ’16 would be faster.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/31/2016 @ 9:22 amHillary is more fun. She has better tits than Trump and Bernie.
Plus, the vag is at least organic.
Hillary ’16
Eric in Hollywood (89f527) — 5/31/2016 @ 12:05 pmKristol is indeed a looza.
The neocon who gave America Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin is out to try and save his outdated conservative influence, and nothing more. Trump nailed him in his Tuesday presser.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 5/31/2016 @ 1:51 pmNo one ever mentions the Eisenhower primary campaign. It was similar in that the Beltway had their candidate and the people had theirs. I wonder what today’s 24 hour news, blogs and social media would have been like back then. I watched it on the old black and white TV with news anchors having only one view point. After reading the comments, I can’t really say we have made a lot of progress.
EldonH (e0559f) — 5/31/2016 @ 2:25 pmAfter I get back from VA tomorrow getting my metal parts adjusted, I think I think I’ll pop some corn and watch. Semper Fi
Mark Green (one time deputy to Ralph Nader and New York Senate candidate and New York City Mayoral candidate) on who will win the election: He’s got one basic argument that Trump could and 13 that Hillary would. They’re not really 13 separate arguments.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/31/2016 @ 3:12 pmSo, Kristol’s guy is some NR writer. I guess James Stockdale was dead.
Really, if Romney won’t run, there’s really no reason to ask anyone else to do his job for him. In coming years, Romney will be best remembered as the guy who failed us twice, in the history of “how things went so very wrong.”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/1/2016 @ 6:46 amWell he quit the race in 2008, lets not forget that. His performance in 2012 was just phoning it in.
narciso (732bc0) — 6/1/2016 @ 6:55 amWell he quit the race in 2008, lets not forget that.
Ironically, had Romney been the candidate in 2008, a time when economic expertise would have been prized, Obama might only be a failed one-term Senator. McCain was so flagrantly lacking in economic understanding (much like the current nominee-apparent) that Obama seemed a better bet, hard as that is to see in retrospect.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 6/1/2016 @ 7:30 amBill Kristoil column Weekly Standard:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-united-states-of-argentina/article/2002572
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/1/2016 @ 2:34 pmi don’t read him anymore he’s just another harvardtrash creeper
happyfeet (831175) — 6/1/2016 @ 6:04 pmUnusual last minute ppolitical victory department:
http://www.rollcall.com/shuster-republican-challenger-might-get-democratic-nominationckquote> Tea Party Candidate Could Win Democratic Primary
In early tally, Dems write in retired Coast Guard captain over their own candidate
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/3/2016 @ 11:03 amCorrect URL:
http://www.rollcall.com/shuster-republican-challenger-might-get-democratic-nomination
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 6/3/2016 @ 11:04 am