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5/15/2016

Tapper Fact-Checks Hillary on Emails

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 12:27 pm



168 Responses to “Tapper Fact-Checks Hillary on Emails”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. fbi lol

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. You shut yer lyin’ hoar mouth, Hillary Clinton!!!!!

    Colonel Haiku (00236c)

  4. So, what’s the best guess as to why she did this?

    To prevent oversight? Mixing of Clinton Foundation fund raising with policy making? Paranoia? Arrogance? All of the above?

    SteveMG (9c68be)

  5. SteveMG
    Paranoia and Arrogance certainly.
    The other two are not as certain, but highly likely.

    You would think a woman who has been investigated almost constantly for two decades would have figured out that the most prudent course is to not do anything hinky and be as open as possible. Either she is not as smart as she thinks she is, or there was some very real hinkiness going on.

    kishnevi (31ba4e)

  6. I believe the reason involves lessons learned from the Nixon tapes and reinforced by the Rose Law billing records as well as Berger’s document retrieval from the National Archives. She possesses a very low skill as a liar, unbelievably low considering her long term political partner.

    Rick Ballard (1e7f0c)

  7. So, why not use two servers? One being the official State Department server and then have a private server handling your separate private communications with Blumenthal et al.?

    Then she could argue/claim that any official business was done using the secure server and that her private communications are just that private and not anyone’s business.

    SteveMG (9c68be)

  8. This presentation by Jake Tapper is all done very well and even maybe concedes a few things it shouldn’t.

    What she said wasn’t even technically true. While she was Secretary of State government regulations changed. (they’ve changed even more since, in 2014)

    She does have a defense that she did preserve government records. It is, that the only e-mails which were government records were emails sent to or from otehr people in the State Department – which means to or from state.gov addresses (or sent to or from to the White House)

    And that in the case of state.gov addresses, the State Department had, at least potentially (should the other person regard it as a government record) the other copy of the e-mail. And in the case of the White House she e-mailed a copy to a dummy e-mail address which she never used (which is what I think she was claiming last year in her first press conference about this)

    One problem with that defense is that some high level aides, like Huma Abedin, were also, occasionally, using clintonemail.com addresses to communicate with her (although they did have state.gov addresses) so neither side of the e-mail exchange could have been archived.

    By the way, the State Department has no e-mails to and from the person who set up the whole system,which have to be government records even if no government e-mail accounts were used.

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/279233-state-dept-claims-to-have-no-emails-from-clinton-it-aide

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  9. Well, kishnevi, she apparently interpreted events in the opposite way, that having always gotten away with whatever, she assumed she always would.
    Pride going before a fall.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  10. She has the class and brains no Trumpers admire.

    mg (31009b)

  11. That Democrats cover for her reckless, illegal use of an unprotected email account shows that they care nothing for our nation’s security.

    Hillary was acting in the Obama administration tradition of circumventing oversight. See EPA head use of “Richard Windsor”.

    SPQR (e36e01)

  12. “… and then there’s Maude! And then there’s Maude! And there’s Maude! Right on, Maude!”

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  13. RIP: Madeleine Lebeau, 92, Yvonne the bar girl in Casablanca. She’s the last cast member to die. In real life she was a French Jew who barely got out of Paris in 1940.

    Best remembered for this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTsg9i6lvqU

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  14. yes, that scene always hits me right in the gut,

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/trump-tells-off-stephanopoulos/

    narciso (732bc0)

  15. This comes under the heading of Be careful what you wish for.

    Here’s an excerpt from Michael Leahy at Brietbart 5/15/16

    Nebraska GOP Convention Humiliates Ben Sasse with Crushing 400 to 8 Reprimand

    It was a huge hometown comeuppance for the young Nebraska senator who easily won his first political race in 2014.

    Though the former official in the George W. Bush Department of Health and Human Services has been popular in his home state until Saturday, the utter rejection of the “Never Trump” efforts he has championed is sure to hurt his credibility with GOP voters in Nebraska.

    His strongly conservative voting record on all matters except trade, where Trump is strongest, kept people from even speculating about a primary challenge when he runs for re-election in 2020. But now — with his “Never Trump” effort becoming a hugely unpopular misstep back home — that clear path to renomination may be in question…

    ropelight (034075)

  16. Oh my God.
    Ben Sasse’s re-election is FOUR years from now. That’s an eternity in politics. Michael Leahy @ Breitbart is just engaging in a little histrionics.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  17. Sasse is a long time boosh stooly.

    mg (31009b)

  18. I think that folks ought to take a breath right now.

    Ben Sasse is a Bush “stoolie”? Oh my.

    To each their own, but folks: the Democrats are having a civil war, too. And it’s the same issue the right is facing.

    Why not plan for the future instead of forming a circular firing squad (as we always do)?

    Simon Jester (4ed13b)

  19. In the meantime, OT but important: folks, keep your will and records organized and clear. Talk to your family about it.

    Otherwise the aftermath of something tragic becomes a real mess.

    Simon Jester (4ed13b)

  20. sorry to hear, what you must have gone through simon, recently.

    narciso (732bc0)

  21. If my memory is correct I think Sasse and Romney had some dealings with some money firm years ago. Another Harvard dip shit planning to eff Americans.

    mg (31009b)

  22. Take cover or reload, Simon.

    mg (31009b)

  23. mg, how often do you fantasize about participating in the French Revolution?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  24. living in the land of stewart smalley and governor target, it’s an occupational hazard,

    narciso (732bc0)

  25. Half the country still believes John Kerry was a war hero. On April 22, 1971, his sworn testimony before the U.S. Senate was that the U.S. should accept — without reservation or change — the seven-point plan to end the Vietnam War proposed by the Viet Cong delegate to the Paris Peace Conference, with whom Kerry (while a commissioned officer in the USNR had met in secret) on a detour from his honeymoon to sell out his country. But half the country had no pause sending him off to negotiate a nuclear deal with the Iranians, in which he performed exactly in accordance with his traitorous history.

    So does anyone think that same half of the country is going to be deterred for one New York minute by Hillary’s email scandal? She could have emailed the nuclear launch codes directly to Beijing for all they care.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  26. His strongly conservative voting record on all matters except trade, where Trump is strongest

    This is why “conservative” is a stupid label. You can claim it means anything you want, including new and high tariffs interfering with free trade and hurting poor people. CONSERVATIVE!!!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  27. WTF is a “conservative stance on trade” in Trump’s Bizarro world? High tariffs and closed markets? That’s straight out of the Rust Belt Democrat playbook.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  28. Sorry, Pat, independent reaction.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  29. Somewhere Dick Gephardt is smiling.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  30. C.S. – Razor wire around 320 acres should let people know to stay away. Trespassing has consequences, even if your a govt. hack.

    mg (31009b)

  31. Team republicans small manipulative oligarchy is about to become ashes.

    mg (31009b)

  32. She could have emailed the nuclear launch codes directly to Beijing for all they care.

    Too late, Beldar, her husband and his butt-buddy Algore already did that for cash in the 1996 election.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  33. A 400 to 8 rejection should give third-party advocates pause. Elephants have long memories.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  34. Sasse is safe for four more years, but the yellow bellies who reprimanded and/or their fellow travelers may not be. Same like for Mitch McDonald (sic). Unlike Ryan, he is not up for re-election but he could lose his majority leader perks in the Senate.

    nk (dbc370)

  35. Just which part of “Party” or “establishment” do you not understand?

    nk (dbc370)

  36. Ropelight – those 400 spineless jackholes simply self-identified.

    JD (7fd277)

  37. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. 400 to 8 is a whole heap of self-identification.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  38. Sasse is responsible to the voters of Nebraska. He may dance to the tune of today’s naysayers and malcontents but GOP voters of Nebraska supported Trump by 61% to Cruz’s 18%. Sasse’s continued opposition to the clearly expressed will of GOP Cornhuskers is likely to come at a high price. But if he thinks the price be fair he can look forward to 4 years of isolation and opprobrium.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  39. SteveMG,

    “Mixing of Clinton Foundation fund raising with policy making?”

    This is the most benign description of the most extreme political corruption.

    Of course it was because of “mixing foundation fundraising with policy-making. Why not use two servers? Because it was mixing foundation fundraising with policy making. It would be too complex to separate the request for payment from the promised policy position.

    Mike S (89ec89)

  40. Elephants have long memories.

    Indeed we do. As we will remember you and yours.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  41. Nebraska was going to go 70-30 for Cruz until he withdrew.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  42. Elephants have long memories.

    Indeed we do. As we will remember you and yours.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/16/2016 @ 8:57 am

    Then remember that for months and months in spite of your vile hatred I told you again and again that you had your account in the wrong bank. And, you can take your childish threats and shove ’em where the moon don’t shine. Little man.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  43. Read what you just wrote. You are the vile commenter. You sound like Trump.

    DRJ (15874d)

  44. DRJ, what part offended you, throwing his threat back in his face, or calling him a Little man?

    ropelight (0760d5)

  45. You said elephants have long memories, then Kevin M said they do and we will remember you … and he’s the childish one?

    Telling someone that we will remember is what adults say and do. It was fair when you said it and when Kevin M said it. But calling someone “Little man” is childish and telling them to “shove ’em where the moon don’t shine” is vile. It’s amazing how quickly Trump has persuaded and transformed his followers into doing exactly what he does.

    DRJ (15874d)

  46. Shorter ropelight – fall in line beeyotches. No room for principles here. You are sheep. Lemmings.

    JD (7fd277)

  47. Wait – did ropelight really claim some kind of mandate based on percentage of votes after Criz had already withdrawn from the race? Can one get more mendoucheous than that?

    JD (7fd277)

  48. Tapper Fact-Checks Hillary on Emails

    Talk about low hanging fruit!

    Bill M (906260)

  49. ropeliar,

    You really do take your cues from Donnie, huh?
    He used to call Rubio, “Little Marco,” and now here you’re calling Kevin, “Little Man.”
    If Donnie were to claim that ABBA’s “Dancing Queen” is his favorite song, I bet you would, too. (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  50. DRJ, you left out the important part. Kevin’s full statement was:

    Indeed we do. As we will remember you and yours.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/16/2016 @ 8:57 am

    My family, my friends, my business associates, other commenters here who refused to knuckle under to his openly expressed hatred? Just who does the blustering little yard monkey have in his sights?

    ropelight (0760d5)

  51. Ropelight is comical. Disagreement with him is openly expressed hatred. His disagreement with others is civil discourse.

    JD (2d0886)

  52. Mr. ropelight has the best of intentions and the goal towards which he’s working, it’s spot on the money.

    We have to stop her.

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  53. y’all may not believe me now but it’s true i promise

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  54. kishnevi (31ba4e) — 5/15/2016 @ 12:58 pm

    Either she is not as smart as she thinks she is, or there was some very real hinkiness going on.

    There is some eal hinkiness going on, and Bill Clinton was not confident of her ability to carry it off without making mistakes.

    The best time to prepare the coverup is BEFORE the crime. Also an escape hatch can be prepared.

    The Clintons anticipate investigations. She could have had two e-mail accounts and only used the personal one for questionable activities, but she’d have to be aware of what was what, and not have either her or her correspondents make a mistake. By having no government e-mail account at all, there was no way any incriminating or politically embarassing evidence would be in the hands of the government, or anybody else at all.

    Very little of her input into government policy was recorded. The only exception was conversations with foreign leaders, which were not recorded, but where detailed notes were taken.

    Now that she has made everything she didn’t delete available (except for what the State Department decided to classify) we (or Congressional committees, and people who file FOIA requests) do have a bit more than that.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  55. Not entirely JD, ignorant jerks take cheap shots at me and I hit back. You dish it out but when it comes right back at you then you whine and complain like a little girl.

    Ted Cruz was a loser right from the get go. He’s ineligible and when I pointed it out the kool-aid drinkers came out screaming like stuck pigs. Then when his campaign misrepresented Ben Carson’s trip home to Florida as dropping out in order to steal Carson’s votes, Cruz’s defenders looked the other way and attacked anyone who called Cruz out for opportunism. Then when Cruz’s crooked supporters started undermining the Primary process by flooding the delegate selection process with stealth supporters Cruz’s sycophants cheered their candidate’s dirty politics. Then when Cruz got beat fair and square the very same supporters who had insisted that Donald Trump sign a pledge to support the GOP’s nominee, Cruz reneged – he went total sour grapes like a no-class crybully turned down for a prom date.

    Now the useful idiots want a third-party to keep Trump out of the White House and they don’t give a damn that would make Hillary Clinton President. This isn’t their proudest moment.

    That’s exactly how sick, stupid, and arrogant the usual suspects here are behaving.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  56. yikes, colonel warn us next time,

    narciso (732bc0)

  57. ropeliar,

    Your “Hey, you kids get off my lawn!” routine gets old.
    Now you’re calling Kevin M a “yard monkey.”
    Niiiiice.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  58. There was a report that billionaire Mark Cuban has been approached as a potential third party candidate.

    We can just anticipate ropeliar’s response to that; “He’s Cuban—he’s ineligible to become President!!!
    (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  59. Criticism coming from a Chicken Sh*t loser who calls me ropeliar just don’t impress me much.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  60. Ropelight – your complete and total lack of self-awareness is both comical, and sad.

    JD (2d0886)

  61. #61 ropeliar,

    I’m not looking to impress you. I’m just telling the truth about you, sweetheart.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  62. And repeating all of your distortions and lies for the 7353727846372846th time doesn’t do anything but remind everyone that you have distorted and lied from the outset.

    JD (2d0886)

  63. My distortions? What about your own distortions? Does 7353727846372846 strike you as an example of the pot calling the kettle black?

    ropelight (0760d5)

  64. There is a not so subtle difference between hyperbole and distortion and lying.

    JD (7fd277)

  65. OK, JD, now I get it. You’re using hyperbole to expose my distortions so you can call them lies. Truly, there’s a not so subtle difference between exaggeration and double talk.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  66. Here’s an excerpt from Theodore Schleifer, 5/16/16 on Kasich’s upcoming interview tonight at 8pm on Anderson Cooper’s CNN show.

    John Kasich: ‘Running third party doesn’t feel right’

    John Kasich said Monday that he would not mount a third party bid for the White House, putting an end to budding hopes that the former Republican presidential candidate would reenter the race. “I’m not gonna do that,” the Ohio governor told CNN’s Anderson Cooper in an exclusive interview, his first since leaving the race. “I gave it my best where I am. I just think running third party doesn’t feel right. I think it’s not constructive.”

    ropelight (0760d5)

  67. ropeliar,

    Now you’re lying about lying.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  68. This Washington Post article:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-gop-effort-to-draft-an-independent-candidate-to-derail-trump/2016/05/14/1b04682e-1877-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

    Somehow dismisses Tom Coburn, who has said in the past he is open to such an effort.He didn’t come out and say no, now.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  69. Ropelight, here is why most of us don’t want Trump.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-real-reason-donald-trump-is-unfit-to-be-president/article/2591147#.VznTSe9AMyI.facebook

    And before you start ranting at me: my vote will go for the Libertarian Party, not Hillary.

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  70. “It’s amazing how quickly Trump has persuaded and transformed his followers into doing exactly what he does.”

    – DRJ

    Trump didn’t persuade or transform anyone. His “followers” were whatever they were before Trump – he just made them feel that it was safe for them to come out from under their respective rocks.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  71. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ted-cruz-face-challenging-days-ahead/story?id=39120272 Ted Cruz to Texas GOP: ‘I Don’t Know What the Future Will Hold’

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  72. kishnevi, thanks for the link. I read the article and am not persuaded. I won’t insult you because you didn’t insult me. Reasonable people can disagree, but I found the article unreasonable in the extreme.

    It’s a recitation of all the nutty claims made against Trump expressed in excessively negative language. It falls on deaf ears, it persuades no one, and it’s offensive to concerned with fair and honest reporting.

    Vote for the candidate of your choice, it’s your right.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  73. ropelight,

    actual judges with some expertise have already decided the eligibility issue. I’ll take their views over yours, especially given your pages of rants about Cruz, whom you clearly loath.

    A couple of weeks ago you said Cruz needed to put Trump over his wife and father to honor this pledge. I asked you about Trump reneging on the pledge and you didn’t seem to care.

    I don’t want to waste time covering the rest of your comment. It’s tedious to cover that many at once. But it looks like you’re not capable of viewing Trump’s opponents or critics the way the rest of America does.

    I hope you’re not that surprised when Trump is crushed if the GOP does nominate him (hasn’t happened yet). You can run around telling everyone how terrible Hillary is, but even this is an indictment on Trump’s judgment. He’s her biggest fan, because actions speak louder than words, and he took action to help her become president.

    In fact, he’s the only reason she has a shot today.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  74. “It’s a recitation of all the nutty claims made against Trump …”

    Change Trump to Cruz and you would get most of your comments. Completely self-unaware.

    JD (7fd277)

  75. Dustin, I don’t loath Ted Cruz, if he’d prevailed in the Primaries I would have voted for him. I’ve said so for months.

    Don’t come at me with the phony argument contained in your second sentence. Right from the getgo Trump conditioned his pledge on fair treatment. Only once he was assured of equal treatment he agreed to forgo a third-party challenge.

    Now, you claiming your failed parochial obsession represents the way the rest of America sees Trump when all the evidence is to the contrary is a grandiose absurdity.

    As for the rest, it isn’t worth a response.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  76. #77 ropelightweight,

    Interesting how you just neglected to mention your belief that Cruz is ineligible, when that’s been your number one talking point for months. It almost seems like it was your number one talking point for months as merely a cynical ploy to dissuade people from voting for him, when in actuality, you realize it’s not an issue.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  77. I wonder what the delegate count would be between Hillary and Bernie if the Super Delegates are removed from the equation. Anyone know?

    ropelight (0760d5)

  78. Per Google 1766 for her, 1433 for him, 1052 not yet determined.
    Superdelegate count 524-40.

    kishnevi (294553)

  79. #79 ropelight,

    There’s this new invention called Google.
    (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  80. clearly the superdelegates are the ‘shield wall’

    narciso (732bc0)

  81. Thank you. Bernie’s in a fix.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  82. Leviticus:

    Trump didn’t persuade or transform anyone. His “followers” were whatever they were before Trump – he just made them feel that it was safe for them to come out from under their respective rocks.

    Maybe, although I don’t subscribe to the rock part of your comment. However, it occurs to me that what’s different about Trump is how he has empowered people to ignore the history of conservative thought about what makes America great.

    Trump obviously thinks might makes right and that what will make America great is a strong country led by a strong President. But like the Founding Fathers, conservatives don’t think what makes America great is solely its power. We think our system of Constitutional checks and balances, coupled with our freedoms to practice our religions, engage in capitalism, etc., is what makes America powerful and therefore great.

    In the past, not everyone understood these concepts but most of us grasped that the ideals of America are what made us great, not solely raw power and the willingness to use it. Trump’s message is that power is all that matters, not our founding principles.

    DRJ (15874d)

  83. pervy rentboy Paul Ryan and sleazy berobed judgeslut John Roberts did more than their part to empower people to ignore the history of conservative thought about what makes America great

    happyfeet (831175)

  84. I don’t see how Democrats can defend such an obviously heavy a thumb on the scales. The disparity between Super Delegate camps is so vast the party elite will control candidate selection in all but the most lopsided Primaries, the people’s vote will approach meaningless.

    The party isn’t Democratic, or Democrat, it’s an openly corrupt and self-serving appetite which would be under indictment for violation of the RICO statutes if we had an honest law man in our joke of a “Justice Department.”

    ropelight (0760d5)

  85. Democrats have their problem withprinciples, too. Now and then, Democratic voters flirt with socialism but the rank and file generally accepts the less extreme, more principled Democrat. This is one of those times when both Parties’ followers are flirting with the guys who don’t care about principles.

    DRJ (15874d)

  86. the opposite is more likely true, clinton slashed defense and intelligence, planted the subprime logic bombs, procluded land from development,

    http://www.weaselzippers.us/271869-hillary-comes-out-against-religious-liberty-in-contraception-mandate-case/

    narciso (732bc0)

  87. maybe they just don’t care about your principles

    happyfeet (831175)

  88. I agree with Leviticus. Trump’s Chumps a/k/a Trumpkins are the rotten underbelly of the electorate. The hateful, the resentful, the bigoted, the xenophobic, the racist, the losers. Demented Donna is only their Pied Pier.

    nk (dbc370)

  89. Don’t come at me with the phony argument contained in your second sentence. Right from the getgo Trump conditioned his pledge on fair treatment.

    Maybe Cruz thinks he was treated unfairly. I do.

    Anyway, I’m not having the OMIGOD YOU ARE GOING TO PUT HILLARY IN OFFICE!!!!1! discussion for the thousandth time. Y’all picked the one guy who causes me not to care about that. Congratulations. You have told us many times you don’t need constitutionalists like us to win. Fine. Go win. Leave us out of it.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  90. patriots who wanna stop pee-stank, they only have on way to do that

    they gotta go with Mr. The Donald

    and pray a lot

    and hope really hard that he’ll win this

    cause the stank will define failmerica for generations

    happyfeet (831175)

  91. they only have *one* way to do that i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  92. ropelight,

    Answer me this question.

    Does Donald Trump need my vote to win?

    Does he need my support to win?

    ANY OTHER PERSON WHO SUPPORTS TRUMP, please also answer. It is a yes or no question.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  93. Only if you admit your claimed adherence to the Constitution is nothing more than the restatement of a convenient fiction to those who see things a bit differently.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  94. Only if you admit your claimed adherence to the Constitution is nothing more than the restatement of a convenient fiction to those who see things a bit differently

    Wut

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  95. 1. No, I don’t believe he does. But I predict you’ll be sorry if you don’t vote for Trump.

    2. No again. He’s going to win in a landslide, perhaps in a very big landslide. Trump is what the people want, right here, right now. Can’s you that?

    ropelight (0760d5)

  96. So now faith hope and love abide

    these three

    but the greatest of these is trump.

    happyfeet (831175)

  97. The constitution doesn’t mean anything when the court is filled up with Hillary picks.

    Depending upon what the meaning of “is” is.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  98. 1. No, I don’t believe he does. But I predict you’ll be sorry if you don’t vote for Trump.

    2. No again. He’s going to win in a landslide, perhaps in a very big landslide. Trump is what the people want, right here, right now. Can’s you that?

    Sweet! So you won’t be blaming me if/when he loses then.

    Anyone else want to say Trump needs my vote or support?

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  99. opposing pee-stank

    if you get right down to it

    it’s mostly about self-respect

    happyfeet (831175)

  100. Now, hold on there. I didn’t agree to that. What if I’m wrong and The Donald loses by your vote? You’d be responsible for electing Hillary.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  101. I’m having a hard time getting past the idea that the Founders isn’t believe in State’s Rights.

    JD (2d0886)

  102. oh my goodness the hotairs are really floundering

    i hardly ever click on anything over there anymore

    happyfeet (831175)

  103. Patterico – the entire if you don’t support X you are supporting Y is a BS dichotomy based on so many flawed assumptions it should be pointed and laughed at every time it is used. It assumes a fealty to Team R, uber alles, and that you are beholden to the candidate regardless of him being a big government leftist authoritarian who couldn’t even discuss the Constitution outside of saying “it’s great! I love it!” On Twitter at 11 at night. It assumes, contra math, that not voting for X is a vote for Y. It assumes that members of a political party have no personal principles, and if they do, their personal principles should and must be set aside in service of the greater good, however they define that at any given moment.

    JD (2d0886)

  104. If The Donald loses by virtue of Patterico’s vote, or my vote, or DRJ’s vote, that is a failure of his, and makes him a loser.

    JD (2d0886)

  105. Trump had better pick his VP carefully. Remember what LBJ did to JFK?
    And they both better be careful with Secretary of State. Remember the coup Alexander Haig tried to pull after George H.W. Bush got Hinckley to shoot Reagan?

    nk (dbc370)

  106. I’m having a hard time getting past the idea that the Founders isn’t believe in State’s Rights.

    Jefferson in particular. Of all people.

    It’s like saying Lincoln didn’t believe in preserving the Union. Or that Reagan didn’t care about defeating Communism. It’s taking perhaps the most salient feature of a man’s public life and denying it. Without any hint of understanding of how foolish it sounds.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  107. Not believe. Don’t believe. Can’t believe. Won’t believe.

    But never isn’t believe.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  108. Amen, Patterico, no one can read the 10th amendment and conclude the Founders intended to leave the states vulnerable to federal tyranny.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  109. Trump’s Chumps Clinton’s Minions a/k/a Trumpkins Clintsimps are the rotten fetid underbelly smegma of the electorate. The hateful intolerant, the resentful envious, the bigoted, the xenophobic layabouts, the racist , the losers lowest common denominator. Demented Donna Criminal Clinton is only their Pied Pier pie-eyed lush.

    Colonel Haiku (6047c1)

  110. gotta love that 10th amendment

    happyfeet (831175)

  111. The problem is, nk, everybody who disagrees with you is the hateful, the resentful, the bigoted, the xenophobic, the racist, the losers. So it looses all it’s oomph when applied to Trumpists.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  112. Anyone else want to say Trump needs my vote or support?

    He needs your vote…to validate the idea that he represents true conservatism, and to verify that Party comes before Principle.

    In other words, the very reasons he “needs” your vote are the reasons you should not vote for him.

    kishnevi (294553)

  113. 110.Amen, Patterico, no one can read the 10th amendment and conclude the Founders intended to leave the states vulnerable to federal tyranny.

    Ya wanna bet ropelight? Wait till you see Hillary’s Supreme Court “interpretation” of the Tenth.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  114. 110.
    Does Trump even know what the 10th Amendment is?

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  115. some of you pickles, you are silly pickles

    oh my goodness

    the Mr. Trump whatever his faults

    he’s an individual and he believes in individualism more strongly than any candidate in my lifetime

    he embodies it he celebrates it, and he does it with good humor and panache

    pee-stank is a collectivist, and she smells like pee

    she smells like pee

    disgusting old woman

    she smells like pee

    happyfeet (831175)

  116. Or papertiger’s, Hoagie.

    JD (2d0886)

  117. “he’s an individual and he believes in individualism more strongly than any candidate in my lifetime”

    You either do not listen to his “solutions”, or ignore them. They aren’t based on the individual, they are rooted in big government coming to the rescue.

    JD (2d0886)

  118. I wasn’t including Haiku in those groups. I think all he wants is a leader with an (R) after his name.

    nk (dbc370)

  119. No, JD, Trump believes in individualism–as long as the individual concerned is Trump.

    kishnevi (93670d)

  120. Good point, kishnevi. My bad.

    JD (2d0886)

  121. we’ll see i don’t get the feel at all that his goal in life is to consecrate government the way pee-stank wants to

    i think his policy prescriptions have a liberal patina cause he’s a new yorker and he speaks that language

    but when push comes to shove the guy just wants to create jobs and fortify the borders and preserve the ideal of an american dream

    he’s a very sweet-hearted guy

    not a lot different from the good ole boys back in texas

    hillary on the other hand she’s a nasty piece

    happyfeet (831175)

  122. Hillary is a collectivist. Tiny Donnie only takes people’s homes through Kelo eminent domain for parking lots for his casinos.

    nk (dbc370)

  123. I don’t think Trump will lose by a landslide. It’ll be more like McCain or Romney’s races in terms of margins.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  124. Steve@120
    https://www.dallasmustang.com/

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  125. Happy @ 124 is comical. In 2 comments you went from Trump to being the champion of the individual to being a little more concerned about individuals than Hillary, which is an absurd comparison, telling nothing about his devotion to big government solutions.

    JD (2d0886)

  126. I stand corrected.

    Steve57 (eca648)

  127. You have drifted far afield from Trump hearts individualism.

    JD (2d0886)

  128. i was rollin

    happyfeet (831175)

  129. 129.
    No, just figured it would be closer to home for you. And involve no sales tax being paid to Cali.

    kishnevi (91d5c6)

  130. “No, I don’t believe he does. But I predict you’ll be sorry if you don’t vote for Trump.”

    – ropelight

    Meaning you don’t think Trump needs Patterico’s support to win, meaning you think he’ll win regardless, meaning Patterico’s sorrow won’t be about Trump not getting elected, but about having the gall to stand up to your elected Il Douche, and being made to pay for it.

    I don’t think you meant what you said, but I do think that what you said accidentally captured the spirit of Trump (and I do think that you embrace that spirit).

    Leviticus (632ae7)

  131. We get the same s*** from the left except their dogwhistle is “You’re on the wrong side of history”.

    nk (dbc370)

  132. well lets see red queen was weaned on sds’s carl ogilvy, wrote her dissertation on alinski, seems to have borrowed the umoja pitch ‘it takes a village’ was chummy with sufa arafat, employed half of the think process staffers, do you see a pattern,

    narciso (732bc0)

  133. No, no, Liviticus, I meant that a few years down the road and America is traveling in a much better direction, anyone not voting for Trump, Patterico included, will sorry they didn’t see the light, and get on-board the Trump Express.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  134. And have a low Party number.

    nk (dbc370)

  135. I’m not surprised.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  136. Please do not confuse my estimation of Trumpkin expectation
    With any kind of prediction of Trump realization.
    Trumpkins hope, Trump declares bankruptcies.

    nk (dbc370)

  137. 125.Hillary is a collectivist. Tiny Donnie only takes people’s homes through Kelo eminent domain for parking lots for his casinos.

    Did Trump actually take somebody’s home or are you being your usual self?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  138. Let me Google that for you, Hoagie. https://www.google.com/#q=trump+kelo

    nk (dbc370)

  139. Your turn. Find me something Hillary has collectivized.

    nk (dbc370)

  140. Clean up in line 130.

    C’mon, Mr. Feet. That was unnecessary on Patterico’s site. Get you own site and pay for it if you want to act that way.

    Simon Jester (4ed13b)

  141. the vaccine program for a start,

    http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/09/21/donald-trump-wins-legal-battle-in-university-case/

    I know schneiderman and harris, are such impartial guardians,

    narciso (732bc0)

  142. Thank you nk. So Trump didn’t take some woman’s house. The way you posted it it sounded like he did. I didn’t think you’d blatantly lie so it must have been a fluke.

    What does “Your turn. Find me something Hillary has collectivized.” mean? Did I somehow use the name Hillary? Were we speaking of collectivization?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  143. BTW nk, I looked up that “Kelo” thing. It had nothing to do with Trump. What on earth are you talking about?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  144. You’re right, Hoagie.

    nk (dbc370)

  145. BTW nk, I looked up that “Kelo” thing. It had nothing to do with Trump. What on earth are you talking about?

    He’s talking about this.

    Kelo is the horrible decision that made use of eminent domain for private uses “constitutional.”

    Trump loves it, and has used it to take stuff from little people with a vengeance.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  146. I gave Hoagie this whole Google search, Patterico. https://www.google.com/#q=trump+kelo Articles from Breitbart, National Review, and The Conservative Club For Growth, as well from Reason and The Washington Post, among others. He read what he wanted to read.

    nk (dbc370)

  147. Trump never did take the woman’s property adjacent to his Atlantic City casino. He tried to obtain it via local government intervention but failed. She still owns the property as far as I know.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  148. Trump never did take the woman’s property adjacent to his Atlantic City casino. He tried to obtain it via local government intervention but failed. She still owns the property as far as I know.

    The guy never killed anyone. He emptied a full 30 round magazine, trying to kill people with his AR-15, but he missed every time. That proves he’s a good man worth voting for. (Hypothetical for all you iggerunt Trump worshipers.)

    John Hitchcock (c6f523)

  149. Heh, that made it into moderation. Must’ve been the word iggerunt.

    John Hitchcock (c6f523)

  150. “Coking fought in court, and — in part because these were the days before Kelo was decided, no doubt — she was lucky enough to win. In 1998, a judge threw out the case.”

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/265171/donald-trump-and-eminent-domain-robert-verbruggen

    And in the the same article, you can read how Trump tried to use eminent domain to take five businesses in Bridgeport, Connecticut for a Pleasure Beach ???! but the project “fizzled”.

    nk (dbc370)

  151. “In an age where CNN honestly fact checking Hillary Clinton draws a “Wow!” an opinion piece at the Boston Globe hitting a presumptive GOP nominee for president as a potential authoritarian is practically evergreen.

    Nor is the substance of Mr Cohen’s argument incoherent as it is, of particular note. After all you can’t lead a piece talking about the Trump flips and flops, describing a man whose words can’t be taken seriously and then tells us we should be concerned about Trump as an authoritarian thus:

    But there’s a good reason why Bezos might be concerned about Trump going after him, if he became president.

    Trump said he would.
    Doesn’t “Be afraid because he said this”, this contradict that whole opening “You can’t believe a word Trump says” meme that he started with, or is it just me?
    What caught my eye about this particular piece, what makes this something beyond the redundant, “GOP is Evil”, “Trump is Evil” media line was his big finish warning the American people about the oppression that would come under a Trump presidency:

    What he’s hinting at is that he would use the anti-trust division of the Justice Department to go after a newspaper publisher who writes stories that he doesn’t like.

    This is a direct threat. And even if Trump has no intention of following through, he is clearly trying to intimidate Bezos and in turn The Washington Post from running negative stories about him. Indeed, Trump is trying to get Bezos to use his position as owner of the paper to influence the Post’s coverage.

    Trump, who is running for an office in which the oath for that position demands he “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” is actively calling for a measure that would violate the spirit if not the letter of the First Amendment. In an ordinary democracy, comments like these would practically be disqualifying for a presidential candidate. In America 2016, they barely garner notice. If anything, Trump is using it as a campaign selling point. Perhaps he should create a new tab on his campaign website titled “Planned Abuses of Power.”

    It is easy to become inured to Trump’s obnoxiousness, crudeness, and know-nothingness. But, make no mistake, a man who so casually suggests using the awesome powers of the federal government to investigate newspaper owners is a direct threat to our democracy.

    I’m sorry but ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
    Didn’t we have the federal government selling guns to mexican cartels and then using those sales to attack gun rights?
    Didn’t we have the IRS targeting the Tea Party over their political beliefs, and the public spectacle of Lois Lerner take the 5th before congress rather than answer questions without anyone being punished?
    Are not Catholic nuns being sued by the federal government to be forced to violate their Catholic beliefs?
    Didn’t we see an elected official in February jailed for daring to insist on her religious freedom of conscience?
    Aren’t we seeing AG’s across the nation ready to practice lawfare against anyone dares point out the holes in the entire Global Warming meme?
    Are we not seeing the full force of the federal government being used against North Carolina for daring to decree that biological reality is in fact reality?
    And in the last seven days did we not see this very government command by fiat that every public school in the nation must allow students to choose their own gender as if they were bidding on a flight on Priceline.”

    http://datechguyblog.com/2016/05/16/are-you-kidding-me-donald-trump-and-the-willing-blindness-of-michael-cohen-the-boston-globe/

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  152. yes, the cabinet of dr caligari, I mean red queen has many compartments,

    narciso (732bc0)

  153. Haiku, who are you trying to kid? https://www.google.com/#q=number+of+lawsuits+by+Trump When it comes to lawfare, Tiny gets the gold as a private person. I don’t even want to imagine what he’ll do with the criminal and civil machinery of not only the DOJ but of all the other executive agencies.

    nk (dbc370)

  154. #152 ropelightweight wrote,

    He tried to obtain it via local government intervention…”

    You just can’t bring yourself to say “eminent domain,” can you?
    It reminds me of George Stephanopolous when asked about then-President Clinton raising taxes, he replied by using the euphenism, “broad based contributions” rather than “raising taxes.”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  155. Buggsy Siegel has got to be rolling around in his lake of boiling blood laughing fit to disturb the demons. A litigious thug of a casino owner as the potential GOP nominee for President of the United States.

    nk (dbc370)

  156. nk, that’s the presumptive nominee. Wouldn’t want Chicken Sh*t to call you down.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  157. howard hughes might have made it, had he not been so agoraphobic, he was another scion, with a sense of purpose, and attitude,

    narciso (732bc0)

  158. Presumptive nominee? When did that term come into the American language? I know the British use “heir apparent” for the next in line, and “heir presumptive” for an heir apparent who can be displaced by someone being born or dying. So Trump is the apparent nominee presuming that …?

    nk (dbc370)

  159. The sun rises in the East.

    ropelight (0760d5)

  160. #161 narciso,

    One of Howard Hughes’ best friends was Cary Grant. Can you imagine how awesome it would have been to have Cary Grant stumping for you, if you were running for office!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  161. I know the other thread is dead, but where one starts determines where one ends up,

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/15/exclusive-sheryl-sandberg-thesis/

    narciso (732bc0)


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