Rubio: Trump Is Still Unfit for Office But Sure, I Support Him!
A few days ago, I said Marco Rubio was “more than halfway to supporting Trump. I have no doubt he will.” This was in my post raking Rick Perry and Bobby Jindal over the coals for supporting Trump after they called Trump a “cancer on conservatism” (Perry) or “a shallow, unserious, substance-free, narcissistic egomaniac” (Jindal). Now Rubio falls in line in the zombie parade, and it is his turn to be mocked.
Allahpundit joins the fray with a post titled Rubio: I stand by what I said about not trusting Trump with the nuclear codes, and also I’ll keep my pledge to support the nominee. Allahpundit concludes: “Doesn’t work that way, champ.” Allahpundit quotes John McCormack noting how extreme Rubio’s criticism was:
Back in February, Rubio was saying of Trump that we should not hand “the nuclear codes of the United States to an erratic individual.” He likened the idea of Trump to the “lunatic in North Korea with nuclear weapons.” Asked by Greta Van Susteren if he really believed Donald Trump “is a con artist who should not get access to nuclear codes,” Rubio said “Absolutely. Absolutely.”
Rubio called Trump “dangerous,” and he was right. If Rubio genuinely feared handing Trump control of nuclear weapons in March, there is no reason he should support him in May.
As Allahpundit says:
There’s no way to square these two sentiments, that Trump is dangerously unfit for office on the one hand and that he’s owed unthinking partisan loyalty on the other, and Rubio knows it.
I watched the clip yesterday, and it’s painful to watch Rubio try to pretend that he is standing by all his previous statements about Trump, including one saying it would be irresponsible to hand Trump the nuclear launch codes, and yet repeat that he made a pledge.
2019: A weak, starving Marco Rubio wanders the post-apocalyptic landscape, mumbling, “I … took … a pledge”
— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) May 11, 2016
Exactly.
Rubio is in a no-win situation, and I’m tempted to feel sorry for him — except that this is a Catch-22 of his own making. All the candidates who harshly criticized Trump but had already pledged to support the nominee knew this day might come. Now it has arrived, and journalists are asking them to square a circle and choose between statements that are wholly incompatible.
Ted Cruz comes next. Will he be the lying liar who broke his pledge? Or will he be the guy who supports the “utterly amoral” “pathological liar”? It’s a no-win situation similar to Rubio’s, and I can’t think Ted Cruz is looking forward to dealing with it. But deal with it he must.
Here’s a thought. If there is no good option, why not just say what you actually think?
Here’s Rubio’s interview in all its cringeworthy glory:
Ding.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:39 amHe may be unfit but he’s not Hillary.
AZ Bob (d6a3a9) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:41 amRubio isn’t even a trivia question
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:47 amHere’s a thought. If there is no good option, why just say what you actually think?
Typo? [not]
Rick Ballard (44b7ba) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:48 amHillary is a totally vulgar punk.
So is Trump.
But Trump is a little more palatable than Hillary.
Some of you guys don’t “get” that it is a binary choice; this is not the cereal aisle at the supermarket—there’s not 87 choices.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:55 amEither Trump or Clinton will get to govern. Saying “THEY BOTH SUCK!!!!!!” is true, but all we can do is choose the slower poison.
Rubio would have been our best bet to win the general election. He’s the most likable, and most articulate.
Gang of 8.
Oh well.
Gang of 8 is still not as bad as, PRESIDENT HILLARY!!!!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:57 am(LOL)
These stupid guys …. Trump was the only one who qualified the stupid pledge that stupid Reince Priebus of the stupid RNC asked the stupid candidates to sign when he had no stupid right to ask it and they had no stupid obligation to sign it as he explained on the stupid George Staphanopoulos show only that if they got the stupid RNC’s stupid mailing lists they would not do a stupid third party run against the stupid GOP nominee.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:00 am#7 – Yes, we have the dumbest, crassest, most corrupt political class in US history – sadly they reflect our debased culture.
The candidates did not think Trump was a factor, made an idiotic issue up, and are hoist on their own petard.
Trump is the victory of Falstaff.
Would that we had a Prince Hal who could grow up into a Harry.
Steve Malynn (1d7837) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:07 am“ROGER SIMON: Clueless Republicans Don’t Realize It’s the Democrats Who Have the Problem.”
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/233530/
Colonel Haiku (d1499c) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:26 amAgreed- Cruz can say “I did make a pledge to support the nominee, but that was before that nominee made serious unfounded personal attacks on me and my family. I cannot in good conscious follow through in that pledge”.
Just be honest. I’ll lose a lot of respect if he supports Trump in any way.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:35 amOK, let’s be honest. Either Cruz is a man of his word or he’s not. He can’t have it both ways and neither can you.
In this particular instance Cruz can weasel out of his pledge but it’ll come back to haunt him in the future, no one will ever take his word as his bond. Only by supporting Trump in the face of insults to his wife and family can Cruz rise above the accusation he says one thing and does another.
ropelight (49d180) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:50 amWell Cruz called Donald Trump terrific –after not laying a glove on him for about seven months. It’s about time you face up to the very real fact that Cruz made some horrific strategic errors. Cruz couldn’t attack the democrat standing right next to him fighting for the highest office in the land.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:50 amWhat did Cruz do wrong? Answer that question. It cannot be like hat he did everything right because Trump is the nominee.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:52 amCruz helped to create a monster because it benefited him–or so he thought. And then he was unable to stop that monster. I’m sure he can look at himself in the mirror though–and that’s a problem.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:56 amropeliar the Trump Sycophant is finally taking a sudden interest in integrity and truth.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:59 amOr maybe he just had a couple of Bloody Marys.
Um. Did Cruz really say that? Or did he say Trump was a nice guy?
So: did Cruz say that Trump would be a “terrific” candidate for President?
I don’t think so.
But then, we have had to hear, over and over again, that Cruz was some kind of establishment candidate.
Sheesh. It’s Teh Narrative all the way down.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:06 amYou’re being unfair to Rubio, Perry, Jindal, etc. Just because someone is unfit to hold public office doesn’t mean one can’t support him anyway; it depends on what the alternative is. Everyone agreed that Edwin Edwards belonged in the big house, not the governor’s house, and yet the call of the hour was “Vote for the crook — it’s important”. You and I and many of us here think Trump is even worse than Clinton, but Rubio and the others are entitled to the opposite opinion on that, and given that opinion it makes sense that they would support the unfit candidate because they find the alternative unthinkable.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:07 amROFL. No it will not come back to haunt him. Especially if Trump flames out spectacularity in the general. People will understand that no good person could honor a pledge to support someone who personally attacked him. And also since they don’t care about the million ways Trump hasn’t honored his word, it apparently doesn’t actually matter to most people. To his supporters though, supporting Trump will be a slap in the face.
Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:07 amHold your horses. I just had a thought. Who made Rubio the standard? Didn’t Jeb refuse to support der Trump? Could that mean that other candidates are not obligated-obligated to support-support him, just not run against him or endorse any other opponent(s) of his?
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:09 amgotta love Mr. Trump
he’s trying so hard to stay focused on the campaign while the establishment Rs work through their issues
bless their hearts they’re all worked up into a tizzy
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:09 amSee you hated your fellow Republicans, you hated them with a blinding passion and you hated them more than democrats because that’s where the radio celebrities trained your hatred towards. You relished a burn it all down strategy thinking that only you would escape it. You rejoiced as each one of them went down, Perry, Walker, Rubio, Bush, Christie (who in hindsight looks like he was in league with Trump) –it was truly an ugly thing to behold. You hate so much you must be democrats. And now you have destroyed the party–and most of you are happy about that. However you are not perfect and neither is Cruz.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:14 amWhich is why I’m joining People For Bernie. Look for me at the next rally — I’ll be the only person (yes, “person”) besides Bernie old enough to shave who has shaved.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:15 amFamily doesn’t come first for ropelight, and he demands Cruz lower himself to that standard.
Well, Trump may be willing to trade family for power and ‘pieces of ass’, but he’s not Texan.
Besides, Ropelight knows Trump voided that pledge months ago when he insisted it did not apply to him. Like all contracts Trump made, he would file bankruptcy but expect the other side to hold their end. That’s not how agreements work.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:17 amOh, Mr. Feet. Focused on the campaign?
Claiming that printing more money is the way to get out of trouble?
Those are rock solid freedom based values.
I know its tough to admit you were conned, but you will have to eventually.
In fact, I would love to see serious people (as opposed to lazy trolls like yourself) go on record:
What could Trump say, regarding domestic policy, that would disqualify him as a candidate?
What could Trump say, regarding foreign policy, that would disqualify him as a candidate?
My bet is no Trump supporter will go on record, because they know the truth: they are no different from the Team D people who would not simply support a candidate…but agree. To anything and everything.
Narrative uber alles.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:17 amDRG, I wanted Walker. Christie I always put on the same level as Trump. Kasich is better than Trump or Hillary and that’s the best I can say for him. The others … I would have been enthusiastic for all, not just Cruz. (Maybe a little more for Carly and a little less for Jeb.)
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:19 amTed Cruz on Twitter: “The Establishment’s only hope: Trump & me in a cage match. Sorry to disappoint –@realDonaldTrump is terrific. #DealWithIt” Twitter › tedcruz › status
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Well at least Cruz apologized in advance for disappointing everyone–so at least we have that.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:20 amWhen I want to read Trump’s policies, I go to his website. They are there in black and white, written by his advisors and signed off on by him.
That he doesn’t repeat them word for word when questioned is standard political strategic ambiguity.
Ingot (58eb02) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:24 amDRG, I wanted Walker. Christie I always put on the same level as Trump. Kasich is better than Trump or Hillary and that’s the best I can say for him. The others … I would have been enthusiastic for all, not just Cruz. (Maybe a little more for Carly and a little less for Jeb.)
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:19 am
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nk–so did I.
Ace was calling Walker boring–I could use boring right about now. Walker had a record–and he was absolutely brilliant when he explained the political relationship between the democrats and public sector unions.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:27 amThe republican Party is unfit for office.
mg (31009b) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:28 amTar, feathers and gallows.
#16. Simon Jester –Yes Cruz did call Trump “terrific”–see my post at #26. It is very well documented by NeverTrump.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:30 amDonald Trump is the only hope America has for to vanquish pee-stank Mr. Jester, and no matter his failings he’ll do a much better job for America than pee-stank will or food stamp did.
He’s not a creepy ideologue like they are, and I trust in Mr. Trump’s vanity.
He’ll want very much to help make America great again so that he’s well thought-of, and there’s so many things he can start doing on day one I don’t think he’ll have a super-hard time getting off to a great start.
I’m excited for us all to get started.
It’s been a horrible past 8 years. Just wretched.
But it’s morning in America again.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:34 am“…He’s not a creepy ideologue like they are…”
Oh, my.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:36 amThe republican Party is unfit for office.
Tar, feathers and gallows.
mg (31009b) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:28 am
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So what you will get instead is Hillary’s Unitard Party –or Trump who probably wants a Democrat Senate majority which will provide him the excuse to not do a roundup –(that was only supported by about 27% of the people polled in the recent Quinnipiac polling that the Trump fans love)–or the wall that will not pass Trump’s new “majority rules” standards.
Trump probably rules s like FDR with new social programs and with big public works projects–so that we have airports, and bullet train stations–like–China! If the economy goes to hell he can always start a war of attrition to bring industry back–and he can throw unemployed Bernie Kids at the Chinese Army for awhile. Or some other enemy. He did say he was for boots on the ground in Syria.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:41 amand I trust in Mr. Trump’s vanity.
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Yes –let’s rest our hopes on that happyfeet.
Don’t get overconfident–Hillary will get Obama and Bernie out there campaigning for her to bring your temporary allies–Thr Bernie Kids–back in line.
If Hillary gets too down in the polling the Dems aren’t above indicting her and hitting you right in the nuts with Biden.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:45 amAs I said before,
I think all of the people who have said Trump is a lousy candidate are 3 1/2 months premature.
If no alternative has emerged by November 1,
Then state you prefer him to Hillary if you want,
nothing more.
But I never made it to elective office.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:46 amif you want some zesty ideology you need to talk to wiscotrash spendyslut Paul Ryan
he give great lip service
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:48 amwell coolidge couldn’t initially get elected on his own terms, only as a runnningmate with harding,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:50 amif you want some zesty ideology you need to talk to wiscotrash spendyslut Paul Ryan
he give great lip service
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:48 am
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Well your hero Sarah Palin is going to take him on. Shows you how out of their way Trump&Co. To make enemies early in the negotiation process. Thugocracy as diplomacy on display. Too bad Sarah’s endorsement couldn’t get the golden weasel haired one over the finish line in Alaska.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:55 amShows you how out of their way Trump&Co.*go* to make enemies early in the negotiation process.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:56 amoh please teddy-pie had already made enemies of every other senator plus the entire house leadership
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:57 amshe didn’t campaign there, besides we know the (redacted) show, when she did get behind a nominee, and how ginsberg moved heaven and earth to keep veruca salt in office,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:58 amhappfeet–I’m off. I have to go study up on which Kardashian will follow your hero’s blueprint to the White House.
Which one do you like best–Kourtney or Kim?
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:00 amPaul Ryan disappointed me when he did not defund Planned Parenthood. And then when he didn’t show up to change my fan belt and I had to call AAA. And I’m really running short on toothpaste and no word from him that he’s bringing me some. How did he let you down, happyfeet?
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:00 ama refresher course,
https://patterico.com/2010/11/10/joe-miller-sues-to-require-exact-spellings-of-murkowskis-name-for-write-in-votes/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:03 ami like Kim
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:04 amPaul Ryan busted the spending caps
he’s a complete phony
looking back it’s no wonder weirdo pervert mitt romney took such a shine to him
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:06 amWell, DRG, all I can point out is that DJT called HRC “terrific” on several occasions, as well as contributing to her 2008 campaign.
http://time.com/3962799/donald-trump-hillary-clinton/
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:07 amSo did Cruz contribute to Trump’s campaign?
Because Trump did contribute to Clinton’s campaign…several times.
These facts are clear to (as Mr. Feet puts it) anyone willing to do the analysis.
But not to Mr. Feet.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:08 amHRC wrote saul alinsky a gooey sticky love letter
I’ll take Mr. The Donald over that skank any day of the week and also twice on sundays
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:09 amyes, but you still trust red queen, explain that conundrum,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:10 amOh, and Mr. Feet? Despite your continued juvenile antics and name calling you want the right to do, but object when people call you names….
Well, you should be careful about labeling anyone “…a complete phony…” when you support Clinton supporter DJT.
It must hurt you so much that the fellow you champion championed someone you claim is so awful.
Principles are difficult, I know. You should try them.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:10 amsee it’s important to do research not just read Simon Jester’s comments cause he do not do good context like me
hmmm
i think he’s biased
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:13 amLike it or not, unifying behind Trump probably increases the odds of keeping the Senate and holding down losses in the House. It would be irrational of party leaders, based on purely political calculations, not to back Trump.
I’m still open to voting for him if I could feel some confidence that he’d appoint at least somewhat constitutionally conservative people to SCOTUS and other federal courts. I consider an Anthony Kennedy type justice far superior to anything Hillary would appoint. He actually has a fairly good voting record although loony on anything related to gay issues. I don’t buy this theory that government would actually be larger, to any meaningful degree, under Trump than Clinton.
The problem is that he’ll likely give his usual ambiguous and contradictory answers about what kind of judges he’d appoint, so voting for him in that case would be like betting on a roulette wheel.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:17 amwould one rather be like bolling, the lieutenant governor, who made mcawful possible,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:17 amLike it or not, unifying behind Trump probably increases the odds of keeping the Senate and holding down losses in the House.
yes yes this is as inarguable as it is sensible
very good contribution Mr. A
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:20 amDance around it all you want, but not voting for Trump will inflict President Hillary on this country.
As I said weeks ago, I supported Cruz, but, come November, I’ll hold my nose and vote for The Donald, simply because we can’t afford a vicious, lying, leftist harridan control the power of the presidency.
bud (791f49) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:21 amIt’s not yet November.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:29 ambut Mr. Trump has already made history
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:35 amRubio isn’t even a trivia question
Sadly, yes, though he is by no means alone. At least Walker got out before he managed to thoroughly discredit himself.
Were pols always so worthless, or was I simply not paying attention?
ThOR (c9324e) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:35 amI think Mr. Walker would be a super-interesting veep pick, though honestly his performance didn’t inspire confidence
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:37 amAh, Mr. Feet. You seem upset.
Do I have to find you audio of Trump praising HRC? Because I can.
And you know it.
So for all of your silly insults, for all of your supposedly nihilistic nature, and your faux principles (that you do not believe in), you are just another victim of a con man.
Not very smart at all. But you sure think you are!
Also are you seriously calling anyone else biased? I mean, given your history here and at other sites?
One odd dude. But you do clutter the place up with your graffiti, supporting a Narrative that is antithetical to what you say you believe in. So I think you should be held accountable to your statements. You know?
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:40 amcome on, chriatian slater does his thing, can’t expect more from him, living in Oceania, you should expect a bare minimum Simon,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:44 amI like Kourtney.
Anyways. I’m already done studying the Kardashians.
Thought you guys might like this. You know that Quinnipiac poll that the Trumptonians love? The one that shows Trumpkenstein winning Ohio? You know how Trump looooooves the polls and majority/ mob rules? Be damn well assured he looked at the rest of that poll while his blinded fans did not.
Here is the part where hat probably got his attention:
Illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the U.S. and apply for citizenship, 54 percent of voters say, while 9 percent say they can stay but not apply for citizenship and 31 percent say they should be required to leave the U.S.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:44 amOhio voters oppose 52 – 45 percent building a wall along the border with Mexico.
“Paul Ryan disappointed me when he did not defund Planned Parenthood. And then when he didn’t show up to change my fan belt…”
I know you’re blowing a lot of hot air, but is a fan absolutely necessary, nk?
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:44 amAll is fair in love, war and politics…
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:47 amAlso Quinnipiac polling that came out –today–shows Democrat Senators–winning.
Good gawd–what has your hatred wrought?
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:47 amThey’ll do that every time.
This is classic gotcha journalism. Candidates running for the Presidential nomination of a major party will always make this statement (they will never NOT say this) but it can’t make sense regardless of who wins the nomination.
It’s like picking wings off flies.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:48 amBest way for Republicans to deal with Donald Trump is to say:
Dear Donald,
Your success was due to running against the establishment. You railed against the inherent corruption of current Republican part office-holders. Your strength was not relying upon the corrupting influence of establishment donors.
You built your own brand outside of the Republican party. But now you are changing course and want to have this “corrupt” party establishment endorse and assist you. I think that is a grave mistake.
I recommend that you get started on building the same kind of fundraising infrastructure that propelled Bernie Sanders to his success in battling Hillary Clinton. Make yourself independent of the Republican Party and its major donor base. Then you can continue to run an authentic campaign as an outsider. Go ahead and unleash the financial resources of your supporters and open your own wallet to fund your campaign.
Therefore, I am encouraging all elected Republican party leaders to boycott the Cleveland convention. We will let you run the show, and the establishment won’t be around to taint your message of rebellion against business as usual.
I will encourage all other elected officials that comprise the establishment to instead focus their own re-election bids. It is clear that you are not committed to the core conservative policies upon which most elected Republican office holders espouse. In an effort not to taint your message nor confuse voters about the beliefs of the establishment, I think it is for the best that your campaign be run on a separate track.
Sincerely,
Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, et. al.
El Gipper (62ddc7) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:49 ami’m so happy Mr. Jester i had danggit this morning!
it was munchy crunchy and delicious
i served it over my rosemary mushy peas – very healthy breakfast
the important thing though is the time of the food stamp and his vicious rape of our freedoms our economy and our allies, it draws to a close
Mr. Trump will need all his wisdom to lead us back to a path that leads to a brighter future.
I wish him well, I really do.
But for my part I’m just so glad the raping is over.
Let us pray.
Dear God please to help Mr. The Donald do real good on America, and thank you for delivering us from food stamp.
Amen
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:49 amwhat was the name of that jamaican psychic,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/business/dealbook/clinton-son-in-laws-firm-is-said-to-close-greece-hedge-fund.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:51 amSuppose that 35% of the rooms of the Marriott Hotels throughout the US were booked by Trump Supporters from January through April 2016.
Imagine Donald Trump demanding that owners of the Marriott must put him in charge.
How should the management of the Marriott reply?
Owners should consider the long-term. What would happen to the value of their Marriott “brand” if they surrendered management to Mr. Trump?
How much longer are those 35% going to continue paying to stay in those rooms?
What about the other 65% of patrons?
This is exactly the analogy that applies to the Republican Party. And the way to smash Donald Trump is to force him to raise cash to put on HIS CONVENTION. Yeah, we’ll find out exactly how empty his wallet truly is. We’ll also find out that his supporters will wither away when the cash call goes out. And why shouldn’t they? Trump bragged about how he didn’t need to raise money.
Forcing Donald to beg is the only way to tame his churlish character. Now he is in a position that he needs help.
El Gipper (62ddc7) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:52 amYour future is here, Mr. Feet.
http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/1x-11.jpg
Own it. 100%.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:52 amDance around it all you want, but not voting for Trump will inflict President Hillary on this country.
It’s all about incentives. To vote Trump is to reward Trump’s behavior and encourage more of it. If conservatives ever want to be taken seriously, it has to be made clear that our falling in line is not automatic.
If we are ever to drain this swamp, we must keep our eye on the long-term and not panic about short-term setbacks. We endured two terms of Obama. We can endure a term with Hill – or Trump, for that matter. Keep in mind, Trump supporters weakened the GOPe by not falling in line in past election cycles and now they have their own man at the top of the ticket.
ThOR (c9324e) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:54 amIt’s like being forced to choose between two ice cream cones. Ony, Hillary!, contains 50% dogsh*t while the Trump ice cream cone is only 35% dogsh*t.
Which ice cream cone is more palatable?
It’s actually a trick question. The thing about ice cream is that if you put any amount of dogsh*t in it, that makes it 100% dogsh*t and not ice cream at all.
In all honesty I no longer have any reason to believe Trump will be the slower poison. He started with so many liberal positions, and has moved left on so many other positions, that I see my choice like this:
Does Hillary! become President, keeping everything I hate about the last 7 1/2 years and the ongoing destruction of this constitutional Republic an entirely Democratic operation? Or do I put my stamp of approval on Trump and help make everything I hate about the last 7 1/2 years and the ongoing destruction of this constitutional Republic a bipartisan effort?
I do know either either way it’s 100% dogsh*t.
Steve57 (412496) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:54 amI think this needs to be on autoloop for Mr. Feet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5A02pNcGHs
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:55 am“Family doesn’t come first for ropelight, and he demands Cruz lower himself to that standard.
Well, Trump may be willing to trade family for power and ‘pieces of ass’, but he’s not Texan.”
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Shorter version:
You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:55 amhappyfeet
Seriously you are talking about the debt after your hero essentially said–debt/schmet–roll out the Weimar money printing press?
I bet you also fell for Jim Webb’s deficit schtick. The Jim Webb you voted for every one of Obama’s stimulus programs. 2 billion for Cash for Clunkers–then both stimulus packages-which neared a trillion-and Obamacare. Don’t worry though Trump’s single payer flirtation will be checked by those Democrat senators that are ahead in the Quinnipiac polling.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:55 amNow, don’t distract people with your usual misogyny, Mr. Feet.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264386-trump-once-wrote-hillary-clinton-would-be-great-president
I think he would slap you for insulting his good friend. You know?
Only he gets to lie openly.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:56 amRush Limbaugh played a quote from Trump in 2012 on his radio show today, where Trump praised Hillary and Bill and said he knew them well. He also opined she would probably run in 2016. Rush said that orexcerpts from it would probably be featured in ads. It’ll probably be available (at least the transcript) on his website later today.
Meanwhile we have this from yesterday of Rubio disagreeing with Trump about NATO (without apparently using the name Trump.)
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/05/10/rubio_rips_media_on_trump_and_nato
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:57 ammelania’s such a pretty lady
so glad we dodged that heidi bullet
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:54 am
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Oh ya–we know you are voting for the boobs–Trump being the biggest one of them. When ever he gets the gurrrrls behind him–it looks like — Mount Boobmore .
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:58 amyes yes wife of a goldy sacky soros man is much better than a goldy sacky lady herself
too bad crazy eyes couldn’t get his hands on heidi, he could’ve shown her the business
but there will be future women he can throw around
it will be great
like america
with trump side by side with lovely boehner and mcconnell and all the establishments men
making deals making deals
making all the deals
selling out all he said just to make america great again
sadfeet (ddead1) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:00 amMr. Trump has a much more sophisticated understanding of America’s precarious finances than pee-stank does.
He’ll be in for a rough time, just cause of how this ship is already headed for the rocks, and there’s no stopping it, but he’ll see the situation much more clearly than pee-stank.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:00 amI can’t wait for the debate when HRC passes out copies of DJT’s donations to her campaign, and plays audio such as the above.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:00 amyou need HBO or something
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:01 amOh, Mr. Feet. I’m sorry you have this weird view. It must hurt you so much to keep seeing, more and more, that you have been conned.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:02 amFolks, do the terms “sophistication” and “trump” belong together in a sentence?
Asking for a friend.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:02 amEdit: The Jim Webb *who* voted for every one of Obama’s stimulus programs.
(Just watch Trump make Jim Webb the Jacksonian Democrat “deficit hawk” con man–his VP pick). # Suckers.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:02 amgimme gas for my ford keep me trumpin for the lord gimme gas for my ford i pray
hallelujer!
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:04 amMr. Trump has a much more sophisticated understanding of America’s precarious finances than pee-stank does.
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So you cared about the debt–until Trump didn’t. And your candidate financed and morally backed Hillary for more than a decade. What does that say for his “sophisticated ” judgment?
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:05 amTrump is Hillary’s friend. What are the odds that President Trump’s DOJ would prosecute her? I’d say none. She will skate no matter what happens now.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:06 amMr. Trump’s the only one that can stop pee-stank.
Pee-stank is a horror ripped from failmerica’s worst nightmares.
There’s a reason they call her pee-stank, bringer of death, you know.
It’s cause she’s an evil soul-dead puddle-dripping slurk.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:10 amlike ashcroft and gonzalez took up the special prosecutor’s brief, pull my other finger,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:10 amyeah pull it
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:12 ama visionary metaphor,
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2016/05/11/in-alien-vs-predator-im-for-predator-because-hes-our-predator/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:14 amMr. Trump’s the only one that can stop pee-stank.
Pee-stank is a horror ripped from failmerica’s worst nightmares.
There’s a reason they call her pee-stank, bringer of death, you know.
It’s cause she’s an evil soul-dead puddle-dripping slurk.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:10 am
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Are you so sure about that? Donald Trump is only beating Hillary in the Florida Quinnipiac polling at this date–when the Bernie Kids are still mad at her–and before the negative ad campaigns, and before Obama campaigns for her.
Let’s admit that 2012 Obama had higher favorables than Hillary. That’s a basic premise that most rational observers can accept.
Romney was beating Obama in the Quinnipiac Florida polling in late May of 2012 (IIRC) by 6%.
So if we had a half decent candidate–other than Trump–that candidate would be absolutely crushing her. Instead it’s a statistical tie –before they even set their sights on Trumpenstein.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:19 amMr. Trump is our candidate that’s the one we have
Jesus sent his only trump to fight for us – to fight to make America great again!
thank you Jesus
thank you for this chance
we won’t squander it I promise except maybe Mr. Jester
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:26 amnow why they would go for doc brown is a poser,
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/clinton-faces-hard-reality-of-unity-promise-in-trump-country?utm_term=.jew6LeVr3#.ciXJ124L9
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:27 am“Folks, do the terms “sophistication” and “trump” belong together in a sentence?
Asking for a friend.”
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Hmmmm… ask your friend if the words “criminal”, “pathological liar”, “incarcerated” and “Clinton” aren’t good fits for what admittedly may be a run-on sentence.
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:29 ameven when they are out of office, they are a problem,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3582536/Millions-US-aid-Syrians-suspended-graft-probe.html
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:29 amhow about that, well it explains some things,
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/12-questions-for-tom-cotton
how he couldn’t find any takers on going after the rhodes roadshow,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:42 amMr. Feet, why do you keep calling DJT’s close personal friend such vile names?
He certainly doesn’t agree with your opinion. And he has been open about it.
So…you are supporting someone who supports the person you insult daily.
Interesting.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:44 amit’s all westeros, simon, ask ned stark, well perhaps not.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:46 amMr. Trump is our candidate that’s the one we have
Jesus sent his only trump to fight for us – to fight to make America great again!
thank you Jesus
thank you for this chance
we won’t squander it I promise except maybe Mr. Jester
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:26 am
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Well you are right–there is a very WASP vibe emanating from Trumpstankia .
That’s why you hate Ryan. It’s also why Trump fans have been smearing Pope John Paul and Pope Francis.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:47 amKeep The Trumpbart press fixated on Ryan being Catholic and sending his kids to Catholic school. The Swing Vote is the white Catholic vote–but at this point what difference does it make?
#53, Gerald, you may get your wish. Trump has repeatedly stated his intention to publish a list of names (8 or 12 or so) he would consider for appointment to the Supreme Court and to limit his future nominees to the names on the list.
You’ll get a chance to come to a decision to vote for Trump (or not) based on exactly your major concern – real names to be judged sufficiently conservative or wanting, as opposed to more of the ugly doom and gloom character assassination by the hate mongers.
ropelight (49d180) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:47 amBy the way, Donald Trump announced Tuesday that he probably won’t be releasing his tax returns until after the November election, because all the audits are not completed and they probably won’t be by then.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:52 amfrankly I’m on team benedict, he was unfairly run out of town on a rail, so there could ‘fundamental transformation, francis is the earl warren of the conclave,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:54 amSo Trump will send a Supreme Court nominee from the list to the Senate, and if the Democrats are then in control, they’ll vote him down or won’t vote him out of committee.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:54 amHe won’t be releasing his tax returns because they show zero or negative net taxable income. He is a lying POS. #nevertrump
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:55 amnarciso
Team John Paul. But it should be highly noticeable by now that Catholic voters don’t vote according to what the Catholic Church tells them. Yet there are Trump Pundits slamming away at the Pope. It comes off as alt–right. Simple as that.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:00 pmHe won’t be releasing his tax returns because they show zero or negative net taxable income. He is a lying POS. #nevertrump
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:55 am
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Yep. To the lying piece. And there is something he is hiding–not sure what it is.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:02 pmropelight 106,
Trump has not made any statements about who his nominees to the Supreme Court will be, let alone making such statements for months, except for saying his sister would be great. Please link something substantiating your claim or admit it’s not true.
DRJ (15874d) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:02 pmyes he did diana sykes, #nevertrumper sykes, significant other and bill pryor, the latter was probably sessiions suggestion,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:04 pm63. Ohio voters are: 1. more animated by the loss of jobs off-shore as opposed to in-place domestic positions. 2. Midwest/Rust Belters are more put off by the remaining “traditional (read:black) ghettos”, amnesty polls well there because Mexicans arent the day-to-day criminals of record in the volume that they are in the SW. 3. They could always booby trap El Rio Ojaio if need be.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:05 pmFBI Chief Comey says he’s being pressured to finish the Clinton investigation and that it is not a “security inquiry”.
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:20 pmJust in case anyone had an interest…
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:21 pmunify this, douchebag
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:29 pm63. Ohio voters are: 1. more animated by the loss of jobs off-shore as opposed to in-place domestic positions. 2. Midwest/Rust Belters are more put off by the remaining “traditional (read:black) ghettos”, amnesty polls well there because Mexicans arent the day-to-day criminals of record in the volume that they are in the SW. 3. They could always booby trap El Rio Ojaio if need be.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:05 pm
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Well there is always the Texas Secession option. To live cohesively in a independent state that decides to secede from the union–hopefully you would allow a vote of the people on that issue, right? And to accomplish something that severe–the vote to secede should be by more than 50%–right? The usual rubric is to have 2/3rds of the vote in order to win something that is a radical departure from the norm. I’m not sure the secession vote would even win in Texas by 2/3rds.
But it does provide a handy option not to vote. That and an absolutely pure Article V Convention–gives people an excuse to not vote.
And, the Democrats keep on winning.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:30 pmunify this, douchebag.
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Daddy Trump! (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:31 pmAre you talking to me?
dadddehh!
what’s a three doller beeyull?
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:47 pm#113, DRJ, here’s an excerpt from Jonathan Alder in National Review 5/4/16:
Trump also gave two examples of the type of judges he would consider: Bill Pryor of the 11th circuit, and Diane Sykes of the 7th.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/434925/waiting-trumps-judges
ropelight (49d180) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:53 pmyes, reference the vendee, or katanga province in the congo,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:57 pmi can’t wait till Mr. Trump starts doing the conservative judges
take that, pee-stank
in you face
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:59 pm119.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:02 pmI think a lot of people like Kourtney K. because she’s thin and because she doesnt __ _____ ____. (not a single letter is repeated among the blanks, so have at it!).
about that shiny libertarian penny,
https://twitter.com/AP4LP/status/730209927956959232
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:04 pmthe kardashians are on minute 14:59,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:05 pmdadddehh!
what’s a three doller beeyull?
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:47 pm
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If I get elected –I’ll print them in Orange with my Weasel adorned head on them. Believe me!
Daddy Trump! (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:07 pmDanube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 12:30 pm
Don’t secede from, the union, which is aridiculous idea anyway.
Just let the Texas GOP secede from the Republican Party and put somebody else on the ballot. trump actually would have a hard time getting on in that case.
You could have several different candidates running in different states,each with a shot at 30 to 100 Electoral votes, and in fact that would be better than a single candidate. Voters would be motivated to vote for the third party candidate in the hopes he would make into the House, because if no one got a majority of the electoral votes, the third party candidate would probably become president, unless the Democrats gained control of the Senate and were content to the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate act as president for an extended period of time. In some cases even someone with little hope of making the cutoff, like perhaps Sasse running only in Nebraska could at least help deny one candidate 270 votes. But someone needs to cut into the Democrats’ 270 plus.
This would be similar to what the Whig party did sort of by accident in 1836. They did not succeed in throwing the election for President into the House of Representatives, but the election for Vice President was thrown into the Senate (by 1 vote – the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate, Richard Mentor Johnson, got exactly 50% of the Electoral vote) because there was a splinter candidate for Vice President on the Democratic ticket, William Smith, who got 23 Electoral votes because Virginia’s Electors refused to accept Richard Mentor Johnson as the Democratic vice presidential candidate.
Slavery was actually a rather important factor in that election, even though it stayed in the background. Nobody thought there was anything anyone outside the state concerned could do about it, and there was maybe some hope left that southern states would abolish it. But it affected political alliances. Southern states opposed people sending arguments against slavery to people in the south through the mail.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:12 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/upshot/what-we-can-learn-from-donald-trumps-unreleased-tax-returns.html?_r=0
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:13 pmJust let the Texas GOP secede from the Republican Party and put somebody else on the ballot. trump actually would have a hard time getting on in that case.
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Unfortunately the deadline for Texas–third party candidate was –May 9th. Some say they can take it to court.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:15 pmHoly crap though–I do like the rest of your argument–on first glance.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:16 pmtrump now leading hillary in swing states if he names oprah winfrey veep he wins. turd crud gads back to public toilet with tranny hooker!
oprah (aea70f) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:18 pmunless the Democrats gained control of the Senate
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I’m afraid that’s the problem-particularly now. The Senate looks like it is slipping away.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:19 pmNot a Trump fan, but a lot of people who bashed him when he equivocated about taking the pledge are now excoriating Rubio for keeping his word. Can’t have it both ways.
Brendan (556aa2) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:19 pmtrump now leading hillary in swing states if he names oprah winfrey veep he wins. turd crud gads back to public toilet with tranny hooker!
oprah (aea70f) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:18 pm
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happyfeet….tsk, tsk–can still tell that is you. Stand By Your Man, Loretta!
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:22 pmTrump didn’t equivocate. In the first debate Trump declined to pledge he would support the GOP nominee unless the party treated him fairly. After assurances of fair treatment Trump then pledged his support for the eventual nominee. There was no equivocation, none.
The people excoriating Rubio are the same people making excuses for Cruz’ failure to keep his word (Possibly a signed pledge, I saw Trump waving a signed pledge and assume Cruz likely signed one too.)
It’s the naysayers who want it both ways. Curses for those true to their commitments and cover for the four-flushers.
ropelight (49d180) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:29 pmbusted
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:29 pmPaul Ryan, Marco Rubio: It’s Kind of Important to Beat Hillary
—Ace
“I don’t get how Ryan’s or Rubio’s limited support of Trump — cast as “We must beat Hillary” — somehow “nukes” their credibility.
I’m not especially happy with Candidate Trump, but that doesn’t mean that Hillary has ceased being a deadly threat to the Republic.
Am I still concerned about Trump’s impulsiveness? Yes.
Am I still concerned that he’s not psychologically fit to be President? Yes.
Am I still worried about his thirst to use his power to squelch critics? Yes.
But Hillary Clinton is two of those things — instead of being impulsive, she’s a calculating, dogmatic liar in the service of Cultural Marxism Worldwide, Inc.
People acting as it’s a blow to one’s credibility to look at two distasteful outcomes, and yet decide that one outcome is less distasteful than the other, are being kind of frivolous and solipsistic here, I think.
I get it from Rubio fans, who I have long ago written off as flighty and strange-minded creatures who even at this late date are campaigning for some kind of 11th hour Rubio Surprise.
But Cruz fans aren’t so preposterous.
It is what is is.
There is a difference between getting in a car with an impulsive drunk driver and being doused in gasoline and set aflame by a psychopathic arsonist. The first is no pleasure, but it’s probably survivable. The latter is not.
I’ll get into the car, personally.
That doesn’t mean I think it’s a good thing to drive drunk, or that my previous warnings about drunk driving were baseless or feigned.
It just means I don’t want to be burned to death by Hillary Clinton.”
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/363399.php
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:37 pmCruz doesn’t have to answer the question at all. Ever.
Evan3457 (79ccc1) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:43 pmIn fact, that might be his best move, long-term. Just no comment it.
Ropelight’s claim:
The truth:
Ropelight’s version of the facts are, as usual, bitterly twisted to benefit his Dear Leader.
Oh, but here’s the kicker:
Cruz owes nothing to Trump, then. Trump has often said he does not want our support. When you smear a man’s parents and wife he no longer owes you any loyalty at all.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:55 pm@80
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:55 pm133. Does that help Trump in a weird way – as in “there will be a Dem cushion to keep him in check? I actually thought the crashing of Akin and Mourdock were going to help Romney (need to keep the split between party control), and perhaps it would have happened this way without Sandy/Christie. Trump’s now-visible base in the NE was probably open to abandoning Obama until the storm and did not necessarily need to see a Christie hug to change back to Obama, instead voting in short-term need for regional disaster relief on their own accord.
urbanleftbehind (5eecdb) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:56 pmWhen your candidate is down by double digits and you’re wailing away about how you’re owed support from people who hate your guy, let’s just admit the game is already over. Trump won’t beat Hillary in an election.
Amusingly, Hillary owes Trump more than any republican does, after he defended her performance with Benghazi and funded her presidential campaign.
If Trump needed Cruz’s support as much as Ropelight is demanding it, maybe Trump shouldn’t have tweeted smears about Cruz’s dad being a murderer and his wife being ugly. To any normal human being, that situation is Trump’s fault. To most Americans, the ones who will be voting, this is a warning about how Trump would fail as a leader, if he were somehow elected.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:03 pmSimon Jester @16
He not only said EXACTLY that, he said it multiple times:
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/675360299747184640?lang=en
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/06/30/ted-cruz-donald-trump-is-terrific-shouldnt-apologize-for-comments/
So, just like he said he wanted comprehensive immigration reform to pass and proposed amendments to allow illegals to stay indefinitely (no deportation) and increase H1B visas by 500%, he said Trump was “terrific”. Now he wants to renege on his pledge, which he was free to not sign. Trump was already leading the polls in September. If Trump is so dangerous, why agree to it? Answer: He thought he could play both sides to his own advantage. He makes a habit of this.
Cruz loyalists (who haven’t noted that their guy go buried, over and over, and will return to the Senate a powerless little man) will spin this as “he was telling lies to do great things” or “it’s how the game is played”. No, it is how a coward who wants to be able to claim both sides of an issue plays things. Sort of like how he added an amendment about religious freedom to the National Defense Authorization Act, then voted against the bill. Funny how his own web site takes credit for the bill, even though he voted against it.
http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=38
So to review
Then: Trump terrific
Now: Trump very bad
Then: I will support the nominee
Now: It isn’t me, so I won’t support him.
Then: I can’t vote for the NDAA
Now: That NDAA is great because I fixed it
Then: I want immigration reform, and more H1B visas and illegals can stay forever.
Now: I never supported immigration reform, and want all illegals deported.
I also find it amusing that Danube River Guide seems as fixated on Mrs. Trump’s boobs as the rest of you are fixated on Trump’s genitals. But just to refresh your memory, Cruz’s surrogates (What kind of coward has someone else do their dirty work, then “disassociate” from it once the election results are in? Why not be a man and get your own hands dirty?) thought this was appropriate campaign material:
http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-threatens-ted-cruzs-wife-be-careful-or-i-will-spill-the-beans/
Yeah, nude pictures are so relevant to Cruz’s platform, right? What a cowardly slime ball. But at least he disavowed it AFTER the polls closed. Quite the gentleman there.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:09 pmI find it interesting that Trump supporters will use the phrase:
“He said”
Trump said till death do us part, several times
Trump said “This is a great deal, you guys are going to get tired of earning money”
…until he declared bankruptcy onc, twi, thre, four times.
I don’t care what Trump has ever said about anything,
MD in Philly (d9983c) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:16 pmThat was the point from the beginning.
And Trump supporters have no standing to talk about keeping commitments.
gotta love these cakes
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:17 pmHow on earth do you square this bitterness with my comment before yours, where Trump actually did what you are freaking out about? He’s the one who backed off from the pledge after making it. As usual, you guys aren’t serious about the things you’re mad about, because Trump did those things and you do not care. This is even worse with your immigration points. Trump’s immigration plan is pretty close to amnesty.
Cruz didn’t promote that stuff. That was a pro-Rubio pac that attacked Cruz and Trump. On the other hand, Trump actually did smear Cruz’s wife, and you don’t seem to care. And yes, that is a cowardly thing to do.
Please back that quote up with a link. I’ve never heard a Cruz fan make that sort of argument. Did you even read Patterico’s post? He’s criticizing Cruz for making the pledge.
BTW, Cruz is a US Senator and did a damn good job with this primary (which isn’t actually over yet). We both know that he has the support of most delegates, however on the first ballot they cannot vote for him. He’s increased his organization and influence tremendously.
Trump may very well go on to be the nominee, but that doesn’t mean he’s going to Washington with any power. Most Republicans simply do not want him to be the nominee (and would prefer Cruz). He’s behind Hillary by double digits and heading in the wrong direction. After the general election is done, Cruz will hold a political office, and Trump will have a perfect losing record and no power.
Maybe that’s why you seem so mad.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:17 pmIf Trump wanted to bang ropelight’s wife, and she was screaming, “No, No, NOOO!” ropelight would turn to The Donald and say, “Tell Corey Lewandowski to hold her hands down, Mr. Trump, and I’ll get her legs.”
Not everyone would be remotely willing to put up with 1/100th of that abuse. ropelight deludes himself that makes him the better man.
I’ve got news for you, genius. It won’t come back to h
Steve57 (412496) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:18 pmbusted
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 1:29 pm
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*smooches*. happy. You do amuse me.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:20 pmwhy are we still talking about canada turd crud and heinie heidi
didn’t they gad back to somewheres with a tranny hooker?
i swear i read something about that today
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:20 pmBOOM
MD scores a point!
But as usual, to the Trump guys, they aren’t operating from deeply held principles. They are clawing at Trump’s foes with whatever they can come up with, usually untrue stuff. It means nothing to them that supporting Hillary and breaking commitments define Trump.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:21 pmI hate it when that happens.
Anyhoo, it won’t come back and haunt Cruz if he puts his wife ahead of politics. Some things are more important.
I know that is going to be hard for you to understand, ropelight. There’s a contingent of the Trumptard crowd that would turn $10 tricks in a dumpster behind a liquor store if you thought it would help Trump get elected.
Newsflash: a lot of people wouldn’t do that for any candidate.
Steve57 (412496) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:22 pmCruz doesn’t owe Trump anything. But the pledge wasn’t to Trump, was it? It was to Republicans, both party officials and voters. How many votes would Cruz have lost if he had said “Nope. If it isn’t me then go f*** yourselves”?
The GOPe spent over $75M dollars to attack one candidate: Trump, for the benefit of Cruz. Even with the full backing of that much $$$, Cruz couldn’t even come close in Indiana after having outside groups spend nearly $2M there.
But hey, like all good leftists, if you didn’t have double standards you’d have no standards at all.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:22 pmAnd neither do you, MD in Philly. You are fine with your guy playing fast and loose with the truth and reneging on promises.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:23 pmNice try Dustin. Rubio was out of the race. The PAC was and “anti-Trump” PAC, not a Rubio PAC. I swear, talk about low information useful idiots.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:25 pmGiven how the primary turned out, it probably would have helped him. Unfortunately the party ambushed the candidates with that, because of their very well justified concern that Trump would go third party if he lost (which Trump admitted he would when he reneged on this pledge you find so sacred).
LOL. hahahahahahaha
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:26 pmhahahahahha
hjahahahahahaha
ted’s never been a team player his whole life
did we really expect him to start now
really?
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:27 pmRegarding “death us do part”, I suppose Reagan was totally unqualified to be President, right? Or like all good SJWs, another double standard?
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:27 pmColonel,
I just don’t want to get into that car any sooner than I have to…
Like as the match is struck.
Being willing to be the VP,
MD in Philly (d9983c) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:27 pmwell,
If somebody has to do it,
might as well be somebody good,
as long as their career is not destroyed in the process.
teddy’s daddy got divorced too
i think this was after he killed President Kennedy
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:28 pmYou don’t seem to understand what PACs are. This PAC attacked Cruz, and just because Rubio drops out, doesn’t mean the PAC suddenly becomes part of the Cruz campaign.
You’re calling me an idiot? I’m trying to bring you down to earth. You have zero basis to blame Cruz for what that PAC did. Hell, why not blame Melania for appearing in the adult magazine? Or Trump for praising it? At what point do you hold people responsible for their own decisions? But no, it’s Cruz behind every curtain, controlling a PAC that ran ads attacking Cruz, because that’s what you need to believe.
And then Trump outright smears Cruz’s wife and dad and you don’t mind one bit. Because you’re dishonest.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:29 pmIndeed those are both pretty good reasons to support Trump. I can’t wait to see Trump be president to find out whose family becomes fair game.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:31 pmI don’t find it sacred, Dustin. But since you think Teddie is as pure as the driven snow, I’d like you to square that circle. He lied about legislation as a Senator repeatedly. He lied about candidates leaving the race (three times). He lied about supporting the nominee. He lied about Trump being terrific (or is lying now). How many lies does he get before you stop trumpeting his impeccable values and honor?
As for your laughing fit, Try reading a little more:
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:32 pmhttp://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/trump-survivor-nevertrumpers-spent-75-7-million-64000-negative-ads-take-trump/
Oh my goodness,
Referring to me as a SJW is about as unobservant and ridiculous as if you called me Muslim.
I would have spotted Trump one broken marriage AND one bankruptcy,
MD in Philly (d9983c) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:33 pmbut the recurrence of both is the thing,
reoccurrence makes it a predictable pattern.
one could think of the sherwood pac, that employed liz of baku as the spectre pac, recall in a host of bond films, they would spark confrontations between the us and the ussr, for their own interest,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:33 pmcruz’s wife has a name
it’s heidi
heidi roberta suzette majorca felicia montelongo-cruz
her parents were missionaries for the dimunitive and blessed church of our lady of the crunchy taco
she went to school and learned how to braid hair, a skill which later paid for her harvard education
she learned how to speak french, using all french words no sneaky english ones like “hamburger” or “victory”
she married and had two children, abigail junebug and sunset florentine
she’s the whole package
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:36 pmProve it, Dustin. Find me an ad from Make America Awesome PAC attacking Cruz. Just one will do. Or find me one news report identifying it as “pro Rubio”.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/anti-trump-group-runs-facebook-ads-seeking-to-rally-mormon-v?utm_term=.qleeqLXymA#.rqm6wJKZ3g
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:36 pmI’m enjoying watching your meltdown, prowlerguy.
Steve57 (412496) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:36 pmDoc @164, along with complete lack of self-awareness, integrity, and self-respect, unobservant and ridiculous completes the list of what it takes to be a Trumptard.
Steve57 (412496) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:39 pmI guess some of us can make a distinction between normal fallible people, and Trump, who in the process of divorce was in magazines praising himself for leaving the mother of his kids for a ‘hot piece of ass’ who happened to be a model and an employee of his. He didn’t just break his word, he made a scene of spitting on his commitment as a father and a man.
And that’s to say nothing of what the divorce suit accused Trump of doing. That stuff is dark and far better founded than your wild fantasy of Cruz secret-ninja controlling PACs that directly opposed him.
But hey, didn’t you see my comment upthread? Trump doesn’t want Cruz to support him. Cruz should cite Trump’s spoiled child tantrum and note that Trump released him from any commitment.
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And while I disagree with Rubio and Perry, I don’t think Patterico is quite on the mark this time. You can walk back from saying you don’t trust Trump with the nuclear codes (no one sane does) but you endorse him for president, if you really believe, in your heart of hearts so to speak, that Hillary would be even worse with those nuclear codes.
The only problem is that I really don’t think Hillary would nuke anyone, and Trump would absolutely at minimum rely on that threat all the time, destabilizing the world. The world is already a mess, and Trump would make that mess worse because he is a bitter and sensitive loser.
I’m sure as the innocent bodies piled up, Trump’s fans would blame everyone but Trump. Hell, they’d probably blame Cruz. But they would be dead anyway. America knows I’m right, and that’s why some (obviously only some) conservatives are resigned to voting for someone like Hillary, who Trump could support proudly, but I support only as a somber and last resort.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:40 pmHey MD, walk like a duck, quack like a duck. So now you have a magic number (one, I guess). So in the future, any R with more than one divorce, bankruptcy, or mistress dead to MD?
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:42 pmall these Dire Predictions get kind of monotonous but more importantly they have absolutely no predictive value
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:42 pmThis:
MD in Philly (d9983c) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:43 pmhttps://ricochet.com/trust-trump/
So you are still making the claim that Make America Awesome attacked Cruz. Sorry, I’ll need more than your deluded, lying word for that. Now run along and find proof of what you claim.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:44 pmYes, anyone with more than one bankruptcy and more than one trophy wife will have to work very, very hard to win my support.
MD in Philly (d9983c) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:44 pmExactly.
Okay. I get it. Mr. Feet gets cruder when he is ignored.
It’s because he must be the nuttiest and most offensive poster on Patterico’s dime.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:45 pmDustin, I didn’t demand Cruz support Donald Trump. I pointed out that Cruz speaks with a forked tongue. Cruz pledged his support and then found an excuse to go back on his word. Trump was a big enough man to let Cruz off the hook, but you lack similar instincts, blind hatred is your master now.
ropelight (49d180) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:46 pmYeah MD, because there’s nothing better than a bunch of political hacks making clinical diagnoses, right? That description would apply to any candidate for President. Even Ben Carson, who I greatly admired and hoped to be able to vote for, has quite a God complex. So the sky is blue, water is wet, and politicians are narcissists. That’s the best you can do?
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:47 pmOh, Ropelight. Are you honestly saying that Trump has a history of keeping his word?
Truly?
Oh, my.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:47 pmDamn, prowlerguy, that was pretty easy. I guess you don’t know how to google for information.
http://www.redstate.com/diary/gopcongress/2016/03/25/check-the-actions-of-donors-of-superpac-make-america-awesome/
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fox-news-staff-wrongly-claim-cruz-connected-to-anti-melania-ad/article/2586801
That article isn’t bad for showing how Trump’s favorite network quickly spread the lie that this PAC was somehow linked to Cruz.
Prowlerguy, now it’s your turn. Put up your evidence that Cruz controlled this PAC that criticized Cruz and praised Rubio.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:49 pmNo, there are others more worthy of that peculiar distinction.
ropelight (49d180) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:50 pmHere’s your exact words upthread:
To normal people, it sure reads like you’re demanding Cruz put Trump ahead of his family or else he’s dishonest. Now you’re quibbling.
But I’m glad you’re on record that Cruz doesn’t need to support Trump. Trump agrees, and even says he doesn’t want Cruz’s support. So I guess you can stop complaining about it.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:53 pm…and yet politics is a game to most presidential candidates.
if you notice, the so called “conservatives” are about as contradictory as Trump supposedly is.
I remember in the 80s the left constantly thought Reagan was going to blow the planet up. European liberals thought by putting USA nukes on their turf that they were going to be blown to bits. And in the end it was all for naught and the USSR & USA remained at a cautious peace. And then Reagan did the mock “we are bombing Russia in 5 minutes” joke/parody and the Soviets went nuts.
TASS condemned the joke, declaring that “The USSR condemns this unprecedented and hostile attack by the US President” and that “this kind of behavior is incompatible with the great responsibility borne by heads of nuclear states for the destinies of their own people and mankind”.
so a so-called “conservative” is/was “afraid” of Trump bombing someone. really. do tell.
yet the biggest complaint and hatred leveled at Trump is that he is not a man of his word.
so which is it?
how do you square this circle?
I just don’t buy the fear. especially when all the so called “conservatives” locked in step with the host of limp panty-wasted half-backed republican presidential candidates over the last 30 years.
Try not to give in to your inner Lemming folks….but then, “Lemmings jumping of cliffs. Some think it’s sad but it’s part of their nature.” oy vey…to be worrisome is not to be a warrior.
cheers.
John (d41b3a) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:56 pmOh Prowlerguy
Watch this video. Note the guy with the caption “Good Source of Eloquence and Optimism”? That’s Marco Rubio. The ad was produced by the ‘Make America Awesome’ PAC.
The ad is crap though. I probably am biased on this, but I thought Cruz’s ads, especially the ones against Hillary, were the class of the field this year. It’s such a shame Cruz isn’t the nominee.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:58 pmyeah Mr. Trump doesn’t scare me
pee-stank scares me
and disheartens me
hoochie needs to move on and dot the org
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:58 pmDustin, apparently you don’t know the difference between a warning and a demand. Normal people understand the two words well enough to know when you’re trying to pull the wool over their eyes. Blind hate is your master now.
ropelight (49d180) — 5/11/2016 @ 2:59 pmDustin, how is that anti-Cruz? His little sign says “Two Scoops of Conservatism”. That’s good, right? In fact, all the other candidates have similar platitudes on their box. So, you are indeed, a liar.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:05 pmjust ignore what’s actually going on,
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/212122#.VzNzVVgrKUk
that was the scenario in both the day after, and countdown to looking glass, (which newt, had a cameo in, back in the 80s)
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:07 pmJohn,
Petty men are often both violent and dishonest, particularly against those they think are weak or gullible. Trump’s divorce papers describe acts of dishonesty we know did happen, and vicious domestic violence that remains between Trump and God as far as the truth goes.
I do not see any contradiction in criticizing Trump on both grounds.
But I’ll spot you one point. This is not a conservative argument. It takes a lot of Americans to get a disaster like Hillary ahead by double digits, and I bet most of us don’t actually like Hillary (certainly not as much as Trump does!).
As usual, it’s never Trump’s fault when he does or says something. It’s our fault for noticing.
Normally I would not take a crank like Trump seriously, but of course his political success requires America take him all too seriously. And he is dangerous.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:08 pmWhere is that sadfeet character when we need him / her to carry on this discussion.
Yes, amateur psychiatrists from afar are often inadequate, irritating, and wrong;
MD in Philly (d9983c) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:10 pmThat said, it should be obvious that Obama and Trump are outliers among pols.
Did you miss my previous comment? It even had your name on it, and literally was the PAC’s funder (They only had seven) praising Rubio and criticizing Cruz.
You’re the one who made the assertion that Cruz was responsible for the PAC. I’ve asked you to back up your accusation and I even showed you convincing proof that the PAC is not aligned with Cruz. What evidence have you provided? None.
Not that I’m surprised, given the tenor of your comments, that you’re not discussing anything in good faith.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:12 pmA warning presented as if by right is the definition of the word ‘demand.’ Words mean things.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:14 pmWow Dustin. A donor to a PAC says something after donating, and that statement then represents the goals of the PAC?
I note that both of YOUR OWN links describe it as an “Anti-Trump” PAC. Neither says it is a pro-Rubio PAC. Liar, just like your hero.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:14 pmyou can get an oversized king down comforter for a very good price
Based on the comforter made for various TRUMP hotels, this comforter is master suite worthy.
plus it’s made in the usa, which is the exact same country Mr. The Donald is gonna help make great again
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:18 pmAnd ropelight, I wish my opinion of Trump was mere ‘blind hatred’, but you’ve seen be provide many specific examples of why a vast majority of Americans oppose Trump. What’s blind about that?
My opposition to Trump is very strong, so I don’t really mind you saying it’s hatred even though you’re really just saying my opinion is emotional and therefore unreasoned. You’re trying to avoid answering my criticisms with reason, because like prowlerguy all you’ve got is emotion. It’s a weak defense, but probably the best you’ve got, and Trump is still going to lose the election.
Remember, Ropelight, you’ve bashed Cruz on deeply personal grounds, bashed his dad and his wife, bashed Cruz’s physical appearance, and gone to the gutter for months. I haven’t done this to Trump because I have real reasons to oppose him, such as his democratic-socialist views on economic matters, his flip flops on amnesty, his comments about nuclear weapons, his praise of dictatorships crushing free speech, and his actions in crushing free speech through lawfare and violence at his rallies.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:20 pmNo, Dustin, what I said was that by time we were in Utah, to be anti-Trump meant they were pro-Cruz. You claim they were a pro-Rubio PAC, but Rubio quit after he got trounced in his home state of FL. So why were they running ads in Utah? Ask your mom (i’m sure dad is a distant memory, but you’ve got lots of “uncles” you can ask, if mom is too drunk) why that doesn’t make sense in the real world.
And you have yet to produce this “anti-Cruz, pro-Rubio” ad you claimed they had produced. LIAR.
And you can believe that there was no back-channel communication if you want, but NO campaign as tightly run as Cruz’s would have let something with their name on it out if they did not agree with it. Of course, they kept things at an arm’s length for plausible deniability, but just like the Utah GOP’s claim of being “hacked”, nobody is buying it.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:23 pmshe sought to silence david bossie, she pushed to have a filmmaker put in prison, she spread death and misery, thanks to fast and furious,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:25 pmProwlerguy,
You’re just flailing now. The PAC is explicitly anti-trump. Your assertion is that it was a Cruz controlled PAC. This was a lie, and now it’s clear you know damn well it was a lie. I showed how the PAC only had seven donors, and one them criticized Cruz while praising Rubio. You’ve shown zero evidence the PAC was aligned with Cruz in any way, or that Cruz controlled this PAC.
You can post fifty more comments calling me a liar, but I asked you to back up your assertions. Put up or shut up.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:26 pmmr. dustin you live in texas
that’s trump country
Texans admire Mr. Trump’s can-do attitude
they like how he’s standing up to pee-stank who wants to take away our guns and devastate the oil industry
Difference between Trump and Clinton as president: One million barrels of oil a day
that’s a lot of Texans pee-stank wants to throw out of work
praise Jesus for Mr. The Donald though
he’s not gonna let pee-stank devastate Texas without a fight
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:27 pmOh, Ok, ropelight. Cruz “found” an excuse.
You have to be a real Trumptard to put it that way. Trump’s deliberate insult to Cruz’s wife would have led to a duel in the old days.
Do you actually think your pose that “A man of his word let’s someone publicly insult his wife” is convincing anyone of anything except that you’re a real piece of work not worth much in the way of respect?
Cruz vowed to love, honor, and respect his wife for life. He pledged to support the 2016 Republican candidate. And you hallucinate that if Cruz decides Trump’s public insults to his wife means keeping the second pledge violates the first, he’s not a man of his word?
You’re just demonstrating that when it comes to matters of honor and integrity you’re the last person anyone should listen to.
Steve57 (412496) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:27 pmYes,
MD in Philly (d9983c) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:33 pmBringing back dueling would probably make verbal exchange a bit more circumspect.
You keep saying this. Do you have any evidence tying Cruz to the PAC? Am I correct that you’re admitting this came from your imagination? Because if so, don’t you owe me an apology? Be a man and admit when you’re mistaken.
Clearly the PAC preferred anyone to Trump, but your assertion is that Cruz is to blame for the PAC’s behavior. I’ve backed up my claim the PAC wasn’t controlled by Cruz. Any honest person who read my links would just admit it. It’s not really possible to show the PAC was pro-rubio, but their ads did praise him, as I showed, and the funder preferred Rubio to Cruz, as I showed. If you don’t want to call an ad that praises Rubio ‘pro-rubio’ that is your opinion. The fact is that the PAC had no links to any presidential campaign by law, and judging by the quality of its work that’s obviously the reality of it.
You’re really bitter about this! What’s really funny is that you’re mad for the PAC criticizing Trump’s wife, but you have ignored my point that Trump smeared Cruz’s wife repeatedly and nastily.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:35 pmin retrospect, mair’s pac was a big fail, he won utah, big woop, unless her objective was not trump but cruz, why else would sherwood fund it,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:44 pmTexas proudly rejected Trump being our candidate.
Last I checked Hillary was up by 5 points among registered Texas voters. Historical trends make Texas a safe GOP state, but with Trump it could be a swing state. It’s amusing you want to defend Trump taking Texas because if that’s at all in question, Hillary is already winning by at least 75 electoral college votes.
You’ve got two tools. Nasty ridicule of women (whomever they are today), and fear. The former I’ve learned to ignore. Hillary’s faults do not include her age, her sex, or how she smells. You’ve missed the point. Maybe that’s why you don’t see Trump the way we do. Texas doesn’t need Dear Leader Trump to save us. I sincerely doubt Trump’s plan to increase taxes, double the minimum wage, and engage in trade wars would help Texas at all. In fact, I know they would damage Texas’s job creation and prosperity.
I admit, with either Hillary or Trump, Texas will do a lot worse than it would have with a good president. But I think the risks with Trump greatly outweigh another four years of what we’ve been dealing with. We can hang in there.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:44 pmwhere did Mr. Trump ever say he wanted to double the minimal wage?
that’s not even a real thing
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:47 pmchristian slater’s routine, (he’s a figment of the lead in mr. robot,) is old, but I do recall when this board became the chris coon’s redemption site, not that long ago, yes he was a bearded marxist who would be searchlight’s lapdog but christine, she was a ‘teenage witch’
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:47 pmthat’s so untrue you forgot my third tool which is accuracy in america and here i’m a put you some accuracy
oh my goodness
run Donald run
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:51 pmHappyfeet,
You’re right. I misunderstood Trump’s interview where he said he wanted to increase the minimum wage, mentioned $15, but was very garbled about what he really meant. Trump hasn’t said what how high he would increase the minimum wage.
And of course Trump has also talked about reducing the minimum wage to zero and not changing it at all, so he’s potentially open to every possible position on the number line.
But he most recently flip flopped to the Sanders and Clinton position of a min wage hike, and hopefully most people here understand that means fewer jobs and more dependency on government welfare programs.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:55 pmHillary Clinton is All in on the $15 Minimum Wage. Here’s Why That’s A Bad Thing
advantage: Mr. The Donald
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:59 pmNo, Happyfeet, Trump wants to increase the minimum wage but doesn’t know what he wants to increase it to.
Advantage Belize.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:00 pmi don’t agree i think Mr. Trump is very vain and he likes metrics
he knows he’s be judged on how many jobs he creates, so he’s not gonna be eager to destroy jobs by raising the minimal wage
it’s very telling that pee-stank wants to more than double the minimal wage though
she knows if she can make it to where more people are poor and disgusting and unemployed then she’ll have more voters
this is how she rolls
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:07 pmhe’s *gonna* be judged i mean to say
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:08 pmwhat red queen wrought by proxy.
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/730084070479237120
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:15 pmbtw,
https://twitter.com/CounterMoonbat/status/730452968323960832
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:17 pmPlease… please (sob) (sob) people… can’t we all just get along?
Heard he passed his last inspection
Just before their rude rejection
Wait the shi+ hits the fan
They couldn’t vote him out
Hold your campaign book above your knees
And kiss your fat ass goodbye
He was on top of the polls then
They couldn’t turn him down
She was a cheap date
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:20 pmShe was a lawbreaker
And I think she’s goin’ to fall
“I admit, with either Hillary or Trump, Texas will do a lot worse than it would have with a good president. But I think the risks with Trump greatly outweigh another four years of what we’ve been dealing with. We can hang in there.”
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 3:44 pm
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He’s wrong, of course…
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:24 pmThat was last month’s position.
Trump Open to Increasing Minimum Wage
Hey, he really likes Hillary. He probably is just doing what he thinks she would do.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:24 pmthat sounds to me like he’s just trying to blunt pee-stank attacks Mr. Dustin
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:25 pmYou said that in 2012 when promoting the last GOP candidate who lost.
We’re doing OK. Could be better, but almost everyone I know in Texas is actually happy. I don’t want to see Trump engage in abuses of civil rights, warfare, and destroy our economy. Sue me!
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:25 pmoh dear
in the coming days you will do well to remember, my vanguardian amigos
there’s a pattern to how sleazy pervert mitt romney takes care of business
he has a very unique and special code of “honor” that he lives by
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:26 pmDustin appears to be just swell with the rest of the country going to Hell in a handbasket (as it will under Hillary Clinton), as long as they don’t mess with Texas. Wrong. A Clinton administration most assuredly will mess with Texas and the Texas economy. You can depend on Hillary “I can’t be responsible for every undercapitalized small business in America” Clinton to do just that.
Sue you? Naw… you’ll need all the resources you have, as will the rest of us.
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:37 pmoh my goodness Mr. Haiku!
pee-stank wants to ban fracking!
that will gut Texas mercilessly to where it may never recover
and then she’ll pee on them!
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:40 pmSo he made a policy statement while running for president which if implemented would directly affect millions and indirectly have a powerful impact on everyone, but you think he didn’t mean it. Just saying stuff. You like this guy for what reasons again?
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:41 pmwhat was his statement on the minimum wage exactly?
this is not a policy statement what lays out plans for raising the minimum wage
it sounds like he’s trying to blunt attacks from pee-stank on the issue
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:44 pmDustin, do not look for rational discourse from ‘feets. You will be disappointed.
Steve Malynn (1d7837) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:44 pmUm… that is an interesting interpretation.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:46 pm‘feets, the problem is this part: “I mean you have to have something that you can live on,“. No, you cannot mandate that the minimum wage earned by the lowest paid worker will feed, clothe and house a family of 4 – which is the socialist dream of all “living wage” advocates.
The idea that everyone will earn more than $15 an hour is ignorant.
Remember, the true minimum wage is $0 – and each statutory minimum wage passed causes more people to earn the true minimum.
Steve Malynn (1d7837) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:53 pmNewt Gingrich endorses Trump.
Colonel Haiku (f1711c) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:53 pmA “pledge”?
What about the one he took as a Senator, to protect the United States against ll enemies, foreign and domestic? Is that the one Rubio wants to shirk?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/11/2016 @ 4:56 pmDustin (2a8be7) posted “And he is dangerous.”
and yet you show no proof and would rather have a “non-dangerous” person in the white house named “Clinton”.
again. your kind are such lemmings. its built in.
not impressed.
cheers my sporty one.
John (d41b3a) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:01 pmmy assumption more and more is that the anti-trump “movement” is just made of normal old cowardly risk-averse failmerican trash
it’s in the same spirit of the cowardly failmerican character the rest of the world increasingly recognizes
as they make your tatted-up sailors cry
as they buzz your planes and boats and scare your pilots and sailors half to death
as they dispense with using your worthless yellen dollars
as they come to recognize your value as an ally is minimal at best, when it’s not flat-out embarassing
as they treat you like the wussy slutstate you’ve become
let’s be honest
the anti-trumpers do not cope well with change
and this leads to poor decision-making
the idiot pentagon piggies what lost all those wars in the middle east
the ones what decimated failmerica’s space program
the ones what are afraid of oil wells
what are afraid of gmos
what are afraid of mapping methane hydrate deposits on the east coast
what are afraid of not giving into food stamp so they bust the spending caps as failmerica’s debt mounts to 20 trillion dollars
what are afraid of vaccines
what are afraid immigrants
what are afraid of uber
what are terrified of pedophile bathroom trannies
and yes, what are afraid of Mr. Trump
He’s a risk, but, please to understand, pee-stank is the foulest of dead certainties.
So who will the cowardly slutmericans choose?
I’m curious to see.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:02 pmI suppose not. I usually don’t engage folks directly, but what a trainwreck this thread has been.
I say Cruz wasn’t behind the melania ad because… he provably wasn’t. I criticize Trump’s views on foreign policy and the economy, using his own friggin words. I note that any pledge obligation Cruz has to Trump can be at least questioned because Trump has A) said he didn’t want Cruz to support him B) was vocal about how he wouldn’t have held up his end C) went after Cruz’s family and took it to a level that goes beyond politics. Oh and somehow we got to Trump’s flip flop on the min wage, among his many democrat party policies.
And for all that I’m a LIAR LIAR LIAR who wants America to go to hell in a handbasket because I’m consumed with blind hatred.
Discussing politics with Trump fans is like arguing with a pack of crying seven year old girls. All emotion. Facts aren’t just ignored, but provoke bitter shrieks.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:02 pm‘feets, the problem is this part: “I mean you have to have something that you can live on”
I don’t like that either Mr. Malynn but go back to the text at #217
here’s the prompt Mr. Trump was responding to
he screwed up but Mr. Trump isn’t as inured to these sorts of interview as your average harvardtrash lawyer/politician so me I’ll cut him some slack given his past statement that
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:10 pmway to close the barn door, after it burned down,
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/279572-gop-amendment-would-slash-size-of-national-security-council
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:12 pmsigns you’ve gone to the underverse,
https://twitter.com/GrayConnolly/status/730500498344660992
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:17 pmHappyfeet, you know how Trump said he’s looking at raising the minimum wage in your quote, said he wanted folks to make more than $15 (an apparent reference to a minimum wage amount) and did not say how much he would raise the wage to? This statement may be incoherent, but everyone reading this, including Trump’s defense force here, know he was talking about increasing the wage but was clueless about the issue.
Haiku, you act as though Trump’s fawning admiration of Hillary, for president, as a great secretary of state, recipient of trucks of his inheritance, aren’t nearly as big a sin as my view that Hillary would be a very poor president, but not as bad as Trump because he’s praised dictatorships crushing dissent and is open to nuking Europe. How do you reconcile your … let’s call it your mental situation with folks like me being soberly resigned to a bad Hillary presidency with your acceptance of your preferred candidate adoring her and even taking direct action supporting her for this very office?
So we’ve got a horrible choice here, but one of the two talks favorably of chinese tanks rolling over students protesting communism. You act like those who pick the obviously less dangerous choice literally hate America. Maybe that’s just how you talk to people on the internet, but if you seriously feel this way you’re a sucker.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:17 pmsuboptimum, dustin, unless you think he’s going to mow down protesters with gunships as in the running man, you still think it’s worth taking a flyer on red queen, that’s insanity even einstein would be hard pressed, the bar is closing, time to check out,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:22 pmnot addressing you directly Mr. Dustin, but everyone, all you pickleheads
please believe me
if you’re reading Mr. Trump’s quote at #224 thinking Mr. Trump is promising you a $15 minimum wage you’re gonna be super disappointed
that’s not his agenda
Sorry, suckers: Trump didn’t actually shift on taxing rich and minimum wage
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:24 pmnarciso,
it’s quite a gamble. We’re talking about leader of the free world. Hillary is corrupt to the core and wrong to the extent she has political views (i just see her as a follower of the polls, just like Romney with a different set of voters to target).
You’ve looked at this choice and made the other call. I understand your choice, but yeah I really do think tyranny could happen in the USA with the wrong leader and I think Trump is exactly that sort of wrong leader. Trump crosses lines in his conduct and comments that no one would expect him to, and he’s on record as pro-Tienanmen square massacre.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:29 pmBecause he won’t win the presidency? Because he’s way behind. Cruz probably has a better shot of getting the nomination at the convention than Trump has of winning the general.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:31 pmit’s quite a gamble.
yes yes anti-trumpers are very risk-averse
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:31 pmCrackpot globalist Ryan will accept our children ruled by Sharis law, meanwhile his kids go to a Catholic school.
mg (31009b) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:32 pmI think her policy record, is baccarat crystal clear, vs. some half digested statements over the last 25 years, under red queen the military will go to post world war 1, the supreme court will most assuredly curtail the first amendment through proscription and investigation, the second well think of port arthur and dunblane,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:33 pmI really do think tyranny could happen in the USA with the wrong leader
oh boo hoo suck it up cupcake
americans know how to deal with tyrants
or at least i thought they did
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:33 pmThis one’s for you, happyfeet.
http://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2016-05/196535_5_.jpg
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:38 pmAgreed. Other than the post WWI thing. I didn’t understand that, but I’m sure Hillary would suck as a Commander in Chief.
Indeed. Soap box, ballot box. It’s not going to go any farther than that. Hell, Hillary has a better than even shot of winning Utah.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:38 pmthanks Mr. Reverend
god i hate her she’s so
moist
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:41 pmwell we’re already at 1940 levels, so it just figures,
really dustin, they’ll vote for red queen, that’s very silly indeed, (graham chapman level)
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:45 pmOh you mean we’ll cut the forces down beyond the already low level they have reached now.
I actually have mixed feelings about a huge and expensive military. I think American military power is about technology and willpower as well as industrial capacity, rather than quantities of billion dollar objects bought from campaign contributors.
BTW Trump got veteran businessmen kicked off Park Avenue because they were undesirable, insulted POWs because he was criticized by one (he sure hates dissenting speech), and swindled vets out of millions in donations at his stunt where he dodged the debate like he dodged the draft.
Hillary has never been known for her respect for those who serve, but Trump is actively hostile to our military.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:50 pmand this administration, let veterans die abandoned, under va caretaker shinseki and his successor mcdonald, sent men to die and be maimed in conflicts they didn’t believe in, again game, set, match,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:56 pmI ain’t scared of no pee stank old man born on June 14, 1946.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:57 pmI ain’t scared of no just a little bit less pee stank old woman born on October 26, 1947.
I don’t think they’re dangerous.
I think they’re disgusting.
Like two pieces of stuff that floats in a sewer.
I don’t want to go wading in there to pick up one or the other.
I will make faces and go “Eew! Gross!”.
And wait for them to just float away.
And for them to rejoin the food chain.
Which they will.
Sooner or later.
And bring more happiness to more bacteria than they ever brought to people.
yeah
looking at food stamp saying shore nuff i’ll have four more years of that please
that comes from a very special place
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:58 pmpee-stank *is* dangerous she’s part of a whole criminal cartel
she’s not even an individual in any conventional sense of the word
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:59 pmHas die rote Kaiserin talked about intentional hyperinflation, defaulting on sovereign debt, starting a trade war with China, and blackmailing CEOs into complying with his preferred policies?
Even Bernie knows that is a sure way into making America Greece again. An experienced businessman should understand those things. Apparently Trump does not: maybe he isn’t the hotshot businessman he thinks he is.
I don’t think Trump would unleash tanks on dissenters: maybe a small mob, though. Trump’s big government ideas differ from Hillary’s mainly in one thing: his are covered with US flags, while hers are covered with UN flags.
kishnevi (9cb6b5) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:07 pmwhat could go wrong,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/11/russia-s-new-missile-means-the-nuclear-arms-race-is-back-on.html
apparently that new start treaty, that scott brown and murkowski and mark kirk were so keen on,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:10 pmThe one and only advantage to Trump: the DOJ will not be an arm of the PC police.
But I don’t think a destroyed economy is worth that.
kishnevi (28fa9f) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:12 pmyes they said that about nixon as well, walter russell mead, had fever dreams like this, when he wrote ‘mortal splendor’ fresh out of yale,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:16 pmNarciso, you are a bit cryptic. I am no youth, but not old enough to remember whatever you are referring to. When Nixon was elected, my mother was still making sure I was in bed, homework all done, by 8PM.
kishnevi (28fa9f) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:22 pm“You’ve looked at this choice and made the other call. I understand your choice, but yeah I really do think tyranny could happen in the USA with the wrong leader…”
“Tyranny? You’re soaking in it!”
– Madge
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:22 pmThe one and only advantage to Trump: the DOJ will not be an arm of the PC police.
I’m not so sure about that.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:22 pmFor two reasons.
Trump was butt-snuffling the Perez Hiltons long before he was running for anything other than “models”.
The Assistants and Deputies and Assistant Deputies and Deputy Assistants in charge of the sections and divisions will remain as they are now even with Christie as AG.
I was a wee lad then, but clearly they thought nixon would suspend the 72 election, this was a notion that was recycled 30 some years later, it’s like something out of a lesser known frank miller graphic novel,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:25 pmwell we’re already at 1940 levels, so it just figures,
really dustin, they’ll vote for red queen, that’s very silly indeed, (graham chapman level)
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 5:45 pm
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Have we found the new Minister of Silly Walks?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:29 pmTricky Dick didn’t need to suspend the ’72 elections, he eliminated all the strong competition and was then able to run against an exceedingly weak Democrat challenger.
ropelight (49d180) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:33 pmCruz will give himself some wiggle room that lawyers will applaud, but the end result will be that Cruz supports Trump as the GOP nominee.
steveg (fed1c9) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:34 pmI still think Trump throws Cruz a substantial trade off behind closed doors and after the negotiation is over, Cruz takes it.
OT
kishnevi (28fa9f) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:38 pmles contraires s’attirent
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/11/jesse-jackson-jean-marie-le-pen-dinner-france
they had to drive berlusconi out, in order for this to happen,
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-gaymarriage-vote-idUSKCN0Y21NI
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 6:59 pmI think we all know what kind of president Hillary would be. Trump might be better, and he might be worse. It’s a gamble. So, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: ‘Do I feel lucky?’ Well do ya, punk?
norcal (ffca38) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:17 pmThe problem with sitting out this election—enabling Hillary to win—is that it puts ideologically-committed left wingers in charge of the Justice Dept, EPA, IRS, VA, et al.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:17 pmTrump’s not going to have total moonbats running those agencies, for heaven’s sake.
We really have to consider those ramifications.
The thought that Hillary might nominate Elizabeth Warren to head the DOJ is very scary. (Or maybe she’d nominate her to run Indian Affairs!) LOL
Oh, puhleese! The ideological commitment of Progressives is to keep the lowlifes pacified and weak so they don’t organize a real revolution and collectivize Beverly Hills.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:26 pmyes, somelives matter, toppling city officials from office, harassing students, that never happens,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:35 pmIt does not affect the ricos or the major institutions and that’s what’s important. It’s venting against sacrificable targets — acceptable losses — to redirect and waste the dissidents’ energies and distract their attention from the targets of value.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:50 pmThat was funny! Shaq just said [Steph Curry’s] “shots like that are morally defeating”…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:53 pmDustin, evidently you don’t know that you can scoll this page up and see exactly what was written.
@ 147 you said
@ 161 you said
@ 180, you said
So on three seperate occassions you have claimed that it was a pro-Rubio, anti-Cruz PAC. You even claimed that there was an anti-Cruz ad put out by them. You failed to show any such ad or any news report identifying it as a “pro-Rubio” PAC, despite repeated requests to provide such a thing.
@ 198, after being shown that you are a liar and can’t read English, you now say
Well no sh*t Sherlock. That’s what EVERYBODY has been saying. In fact, you’re the only one who has ever claimed it to be “pro-Rubio”. Now this may be complicated for you, but once it became a two-man race after March 15, to be anti-Trump is EXACTLY like being pro-Cruz. And when the ad in question actually says “Support Ted Cruz on Tuesday”, it is kind of hard to claim that it was not, in fact, a pro-Cruz ad. And if you believe that Cruz’s team let a surrogate PAC (ie, not one directly controled by the campaign) put out an ad like this without their blessing, you are very quaint indeed.
You now claim
Prove it. Show where I said it was controlled by Cruz. Not that Cruz’s campaign co-ordinated with them, but that Cruz controlled them. I’ll wait.
prowlerguy (fa36d8) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:54 pmright, forget about a slain cop or three,
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/air-force-whistleblower-we-could-have-saved-benghazi-victims/article/2591098
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:54 pmdon’t forget what they do to brunch
#neverforget
happyfeet (831175) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:55 pmHe’s right, of course.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:56 pm268. In 4 years time the discussion has moved from eliminating federal agencies to winding them down to just putting sane people in charge of them. It’s as though Trump is the hero of the unlucky un-PC GS-11. I’ve been there (local level) so I get it.
urbanleftbehind (d3ea16) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:57 pmChampion of the obvious… Truculent…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/11/2016 @ 7:58 pmThat’s what I said, narciso. A cop gets killed, Hashim Nziga is not one inch closer to moving into Michael Bllomberg’s mansion.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:01 pm#277 urbanleftbehind,
Yeah, and I think it started in 1988 with the whole “kinder gentler” approach of Bush 41.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:19 pmDennis Prager just wrote a knock ’em dead column for National Review asserting that we need to face the fact that the reason Trump won the nomination is because there’s a decent percentage of Republicans who just aren’t very conservative.
who is that like t;challa the black panther,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:21 pmThat’s not a nice thing to say about 7 year old girls, Dustin. Comparatively speaking they come off rather well in a head-to-head competition vs. the Trumpkins. The Trumpkins, if you haven’t noticed, can ignore a fact and shriek over it simultaneously. With 7 year old girls it’s either one or the other.
Plus they deal with facts more maturely.
Steve57 (eca648) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:23 pmI meant “as you have noticed.”
Steve57 (eca648) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:25 pmHe’s the new leader of the New Black Panthers, succeeding Shabbaz, according to sources.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:26 pmoh this guy, I rest my case,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121382/Hashim-Nzinga-New-Black-Panther-Party-leader-offered-reward-George-Zimmermans-capture-arrested.html
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:32 pmWhich makes my polemics here very silly. It don’t matter none nohow. The ruling class holds all the cards.
And which is why populism is dangerous. To the populist politician. Huey Long and JFK got murdered; Nixon was luckier to get only disgraced and driven from public life. I guess after JFK, MLK, Bobby, and Wallace, “they” figured one more assassination might make some sheep look up. But Trump is a fake populist; like Manafort took pains to convince the RNC.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:34 pmRest you case? You’re fighting with your brother over the Nintendo control while your parents’ landlord is wondering whether to turn your house into part of a shopping center. Ok, you win your case. You can play Mario.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:38 pman outlaw that should still be in jail, for incitement, is one of the rabblerousers let on the streets,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:40 pmsure why not,
http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/05/freddie-gray-officer-nero-trial-starts-may-11-on-novel-prosecution-legal-theory/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 8:52 pmThat’s precisely Sammy’s point. Cruz, or whomever else the TXGOP nominates, would be on the ballot, and Trump, as a 3rd party candidate, would have a hard time getting on.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:01 pmIn other news, today Harry Reid expressed his utter contempt for Alan Grayson—to his face—telling Grayson he hopes he loses the Democrat primary to fill Rubio’s vacated seat.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:03 pmThat’s like finding out that The Penguin and The Joker hate each other. (LOL)
the riff from ‘breaking bad’ was amusing, I guess grayson would be the rival mexican druglord,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:05 pmThat story you linked is pretty much what you find in a cow pasture, like the first comment says. The police have no constitutional right to commit crimes. There is a limitation on civilians claiming constitutional redress from the federal courts for violation of their Fourth Amendment rights by the police, which is what that Supreme Court case cited in the story stands for.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:06 pmand which crime is this, rushing a drug dealing parasite to the jaol as quickly as one is able to,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:15 pmYeah.
nk (dbc370) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:20 pmDennis Prager just wrote a knock ’em dead column for National Review asserting that we need to face the fact that the reason Trump won the nomination is because there’s a decent percentage of Republicans who just aren’t very conservative.
It figures that Prager, who’s a very down-to-earth observer, would come up with a good theory on why not just the Republican Party but this society in general is going down the tubes. Quite simply, the middle of the socio-political spectrum has shifted so far to the left over the past 60 years, that what was outrageously liberal decades ago is now par-for-the-course in 2016. The vulgar, mendacious aspects of Trump would have been beyond the pale a long time ago, and Hillary and her old man would have been deemed so trashy, they’d have been persona non grata in old-time America. Or an era when, for example, actress Ingrid Bergman was ostracized by Hollywood (yep, Hollywood, no less) for having a child out of wedlock.
However, some of the big-mouthed, non-politically-correct traits and controversies surrounding Trump are not liberal or leftwing and would have been judged as normative conservatism a long time ago. That a squish like him would seize upon that facet of political debate is ironic. But the fact he stirs up so much angst among the left illustrates just how leftwing the left has become, and, in turn, that he’s created so many fractures among Republicans illustrates just how desperate they’ve become.
Mark (a3bba5) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:43 pmThat’s precisely Sammy’s point. Cruz, or whomever else the TXGOP nominates, would be on the ballot, and Trump, as a 3rd party candidate, would have a hard time getting on.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 9:01 pm
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Possibly. I just do not think there is precedent for what you describe. TXGOP secedes–then what? And, essentially they held the TXGOP primary–which Trump participated in, and which the TXGOP, a local franchise of the GOP– in effect–sanctioned.
I’ve always thought that Trump should simply be disqualified from the national GOP nomination–for not acting in good faith, or some other issue.
Danube River Guide (76b104) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:04 pmUm, no.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:19 pm1. He didn’t break his word. He stayed with her for until she released him.
2. That marriage is intended to last for a lifetime is an aspiration, not a binding promise. If things go irreparably wrong, then it should be dissolved.
The most important point, however, is that Reagan was not an adulterer. Trump is. To this day Americans have never knowingly elevated an adulterer to the presidency. Nobody knew about Harding’s adultery until after his death. Reporters knew about JFK, but kept it from the public. Clinton denied it, and the public believed him. Trump, however, admits it, and is not ashamed of it. Nobody is unaware of it. That alone should make him unelectable.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:23 pmDivorce is not dishonorable. Adultery is.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:25 pmNo, he did not.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:25 pmExcept:
Somehow this doesn’t equate to lying by Trump, because ropelight has zero intellectual honesty, like virtually every Trumper. He’ll just parrot any old stupid argument without regard to how silly he looks doing so.
Sad!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:46 pmThe difference is that they had no good reason to think that. Reagan had a long record as a serious conservative intellectual, and as a responsible person. Trump’s record is of the opposite. There is good reason to fear what he might do.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:48 pmWhat precedent is needed? TX GOP is the party with a ballot line in TX. It can give that line to any candidate it likes. If it says Cruz, then Cruz is on the ballot and Trump is off. What the Cleveland convention says is irrelevant, since it’s not the one running candidates for elector in the various states.
Milhouse (87c499) — 5/11/2016 @ 10:56 pmwhy should Trump have honored his pledge when the previous republican establishment presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, had a national press conference against him, and then Cruz did this “honorable” response:
Cruz shrugged off the question of whether he would support Trump in November, saying “Donald is not going to be the GOP nominee. We’re going to beat him.” The Texas senator added that nominating Trump “would be an absolute train wreck” and “would hand the general election to Hillary Clinton.”
Trump, who followed Cruz on the town hall stage, said he didn’t need a promise of support from Cruz.
“He doesn’t have to support me,” he said.
If the establishment didn’t want to play by the rules, why should Trump? Cruz obvious answer was he wasn’t going to support Trump if the nominee. Cruz simply answered like a not-so-honest-lawyer, answering around the question, with a not-so-direct-answer. Go figure.
Trump answered truthfully. Cruz could not, did not, would not answer clearly or truthfully.
The truth hurts. Oh well. sad for Cruz to learn the hard way.
cheers.
John (20e1e6) — 5/11/2016 @ 11:15 pmOh
Oh, he’s more than eager to raise the minimum wage. Donald Trump yesterday, in a twitter war with Elizabeth Warren:
http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2016/05/11/thatll-show-em-trump-sticks-it-to-goofy-elizabeth-warren-by-touting-his-liberal-policy-stance/
Steve57 (eca648) — 5/12/2016 @ 4:52 amwell he needs to not do that
happyfeet (831175) — 5/12/2016 @ 4:57 amSo, happyfascist, about an hour before you were claiming the DTs wouldn’t be eager to raise the minimum wage because it would destroy jobs, the DTs was on Twitter bragging about his eagerness to raise the minimum wage.
And, I guess, destroy jobs.
I don’t blame you; keeping track of the DTs policy positions is like herding a schizophrenic cat with multiple personality disorder.
Which is why I’m thinking maybe I could support and vote for this mental case, depending on who his VP is:
Steve57 (eca648) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:09 amYes, the minimum wage is for entry level kids still living at home, and its primary purpose is not to provide them with a living wage but to prevent the bloodsucking bosses from exploiting them too much. The only way to get a living wage for all unskilled workers, and most skilled workers, is to unionize.
nk (dbc370) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:12 amMr. 57 you need to tweeter him back and tell him not to do the minimal wage on people
me all I can tell you is he’ll be much better on this issue than pee-stank, who says she wants to more than double the minimum wage/robot subsidy
happyfeet (831175) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:23 amropeliar v. ropeliar. Let’s play “Spot the Glaring Hypocrisy!”
And later (actually the hypocrisy is contained all in one comment here):
Anybody spot the hypocrisy? Or, better question, can anyone NOT spot the hypocrisy?
Steve57 (eca648) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:28 amted cruz is rapidly becoming a has-been now like halle berry
his brand is poopy and his contributions are less than minimal anymore
happyfeet (831175) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:30 amThat’s the myth. Actually minimum wage laws were passed (in the US at least) to discriminate against blacks. Before minimum wage laws were passed blacks actually had lower unemployment rates than whites. Because they were willing to work for less, and in a willing seller/willing buyer labor market that meant they got hired.
http://nypost.com/2013/09/17/why-racists-love-the-minimum-wage-laws/
Steve57 (eca648) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:37 ampee-stank and her bigotry against the african-american people is not just depraved and immoral it’s a powerful argument against supporting her
happyfeet (831175) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:46 amLooks like Steve57 wins this round.
Not that the Trump fans here didn’t know this already.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:54 amEither way, unions are what raise workers to middle-class.
nk (dbc370) — 5/12/2016 @ 5:55 amTrust “erratic” Trump or crooked Hillary who will likely sell the nuclear codes for the biggest contribution to the Clinton crime foundation?
Jim (016302) — 5/12/2016 @ 7:56 amDaffyd has got it exactly right. The left-brained higher-IQ types that thrive on logic and consistency are at most 10% of voters. They are outnumbered by the legions of other-directed people. Now, sometimes, if you have mediators who can speak to these others a candidate like Cruz can still win, but for the GOP those mediators (mostly the press) are unwilling.
Cruz won in Texas because he could also speak in a limited sense to Texan “Bonesians” and because his opponents were even less capable. But a well-rounded candidate who can hit all the notes would give him problems in 2018 and there are plenty of people looking for one such.
It’s too bad that Cruz cannot mind-meld with Trump because THAT combination in a candidate would be unbeatable.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/12/2016 @ 8:44 amoops wrong post.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 5/12/2016 @ 8:45 am‘OK, let’s be honest. Either Cruz is a man of his word or he’s not. He can’t have it both ways and neither can you.’
No. Trump already said the pledge was null and void and promised to break it. If one side breaks the pledge there is no duty for the other to keep it. That means it’s no more. Cruz can do whatever he likes.
Steve D (5efec9) — 5/12/2016 @ 1:33 pm#302, Patterico, no it doesn’t equate to lying by Trump, not at all. But pretending it does opens the door for cheap shots like accusing me of “zero intellectual honesty…
My statement that Trump didn’t equivocate about supporting the eventual GOP nominee obviously addressed the facts from the first time Trump was asked the question at the first debate in August 2015 till he signed the pledge in early September 2105. Which was well prior to the Iowa caucuses.
The interview with Anderson Cooper took place at a CNN Townhall on March 29, 2016 – 7 months later when both Ted Cruz and John Kasich also repudiated their pledge to support the eventual nominee.
Following is an excerpt from Gregory Krieg’s CNN article of 3/30/16 describing the comments made at the Townhall the night before.
Rather than parrot any old stupid argument without regard to the facts undermines the presumption of honesty and fair play.
ropelight (ae2ecc) — 5/12/2016 @ 3:21 pmWait a second, didn’t you just make a bunch of demands for proof about the PAC, and when I met those challenges you weaseled out admitting you were wrong? Seems like all you ever do is demand everyone google that water is wet and then scream liar when someone takes the bait.
But OK:
So now you had two choices: Admit you were mistaken in this accusation, or scream that you never made it, and who are we to believe, screaming prowlerguy or our lying eyes? This is how Trump handles his dishonesty too. Just deny deny deny forever.
But at least it’s clear now that you admit Cruz did not attack Trump’s wife. You screamed he was a cowardly slime ball for something he didn’t even do. And as I noted twice above, Trump did this very thing you claim to be so passionately opposed to. Your response has been to stubbornly ignore it and filibuster on demanding details about the PAC (that you then discuss like a weasel).
I asked you to back up several points, and you didn’t try. I backed up everything you asked for, and you refused to be persuaded. That surprises no one. Debating a troll is usually like wrestling a pig and serves only to ruin the discussion.
Trump’s fans are currently primarily interested in destroying any conservative leadership, so the movement that opposes Trump has nowhere to turn but to a man who is promising a slew of left wing policies.
You guys were successful in damaging the GOP and handing the election to the democrats, nothing more. Cruz will be back.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/12/2016 @ 4:33 pmropelight, Trump had threatened a third party run four weeks before that.
SPQR (a3a747) — 5/12/2016 @ 4:34 pmLOL
Why on earth do you Trump guys obsess over Cruz then? He’s all you and prowlerguy want to talk about! You hate him more than you hate Sarah Palin.
Are you guys worried Cruz might still have a shot at the nomination? Maybe a few hundred of Trump’s delegates forget to vote for the first ballot, recognizing Hillary will absolutely crush Trump and Trump is a threat to the republic? Stranger and more severe things have happened in American politics.
You guys must have something in mind when you’re bashing Cruz all day.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 5/12/2016 @ 4:42 pm