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5/8/2016

The Art of the Deal: Trump Says He Will Raise Taxes After Negotiating With Democrats

Filed under: General,Stark Choice — Patterico @ 9:08 am

We have a clear choice in November: a candidate who will raise taxes on the wealthy, or a candidate who will raise taxes on the wealthy:

This Week host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump if he wanted taxes to go up or down on the rich, despite them going down in his proposed tax plan.

“They will go up a little bit, and they may go up—” Trump started.

“But they’re going down in your plan,” Stephanopoulos said.

“No, no, in my plan, they’re going down, but by the time it’s negotiated, they’ll go up,” Trump said. “When I’m negotiating with the Democrats, I’m putting in a plan. I’m putting in my optimum plan. It’s going to be negotiated, George. It’s not going to stay there. They’re not going to say, ‘There’s your plan, let’s approve it.’ They’re going to say, ‘Let’s see what we can do.’ It’ll be a negotiation.”

Donald Trump is an experienced negotiator who knows that showing your opponent your hand before you sit down to negotiate always results in the very best deals. That I can tell you. Tipping your hand right at the beginning is so smart, believe me. So smart.

Trunp’s low-information and low-income base will eat this up, because fundamentally they are resentful class warriors just like the Bernie crowd. The rhetoric of making the fat cats pay their fair share will sound peachy to them.

It will never occur to them that the “wealthy” people whom Trump will tax into oblivion will be the small businessmen and entrepreneurs who work their asses off and provide the jobs in this country. There is no free lunch; every dollar the government is a dollar an entrepreneur now cannot use to expand his or her business. That means fewer jobs.

And when the jobs disappear, because of this taxation, they’ll blame CHI-NAH!!!1! And then we’ll get those job-crushing 45% tariffs. Everyone’s standard of living will lower as they pay more for basic goods. The dollar will devalue as foreigners flee our currency under Trump, who has talked about keeping entitlements at unsustainable levels, and short-changing bondholders to deal with the resulting crushing debt. That will also cause interest rates on U.S. bonds to rise, meaning an ever-increasing chunk of the national debt will be interest payments.

We’ll probably get that crash I have been warning you about sooner rather than later under a President Trump. And nothing beats a nationalist with a xenophobic cult following being in charge when a giant inflationary crash occurs. As history shows, those scenarios always turn out great.

Best part is, this time the cult leader has nukes, and an itchy (if stubby) trigger finger motivated primarily by personal slights rather than the national interest.

Man, I can’t wait.

112 Responses to “The Art of the Deal: Trump Says He Will Raise Taxes After Negotiating With Democrats”

  1. We are so screwed.

    Patterico (94a8a0)

  2. I worried that the crash would result in a xenophobic nationalist cult-of-personality leader being installed. I got the order wrong. I have shown I am bad at predicting elections because I always fall into that trap of giving voters too much credit, even though I know better.

    Patterico (94a8a0)

  3. I’m just praying that one of these days, it will be revealed that none of this is real. The camera will pan over to Rod Serling, standing there with a dangling cigarette, as he introduces tonite’s episode which is a story about a vulgar grandstanding populist who will do or say anything in order to attain power…in The Twilight Zone.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  4. If one looks throughout history, one will find economic policy repeatedly being decided based on the violation of the Tenth Commandment. And every economic policy so decided has been destructive to the people who have to live under it.

    The solution is simple: Stop making economic policy based on the violation of the Tenth Commandment. But people are envious and jealous of others’ success. They cannot help themselves, and will continue to violate the Tenth Commandment — to their detriment.

    Even ropelight violates the Tenth Commandment, as was seen in his apologetics and lies, trying to prove in another thread that Trump’s promised tax increase wasn’t a tax increase because it was effecting people who weren’t paying their fair share.

    John Hitchcock (a0bb6f)

  5. My new mantra when I forget myself and read the news is, “I am an uninvolved observer…. I am an uninvolved observer….” It reminds me that this mess is NOT MY DOING. For 2 years I have had a countdown on my blog to “Sanity Day”, January 20, 2017. I am thinking I will have to either change the title to “Continuation of the Insanity” or change the date to one in 2021.

    Marci (c7079f)

  6. wiscotrash butt-weasel paul ryan busted the spending caps

    blew up the sequester

    and meghan’s coward daddy cheered him on while carly pupperoni said moar boats please moar boats

    moar moar moar roared carly pup

    and now the government needs a lot more money

    where it gonna come from where it gonna come from

    happyfeet (831175)

  7. i don’t think your link is working very well

    happyfeet (831175)

  8. Patterico and Cruz Supporter, I have three words that explain everything that is happening:

    End Times Prophecy

    Not only is there a re-awakening occurring and a revitalized push for good, but also evil is gaining strength.

    A loaf of bread will buy a bag of gold. With the huge federal debt, the quantitative easing, world-wide economic instability (with nearly the entire industrialized world doubling down on violating the Tenth Commandment), minimum wage spikes, is there any doubt that we’re entering a time of runaway inflation?

    Cannot buy or sell without governmental approval. That’s definitely coming in the healthcare industry and already attempted with beverages and salt in NYC, among other examples.

    Wars and rumors of wars. Norks, China, Russia, Middle East, major upticks in terrorism in Europe and US, narcoterrorism in Mexico and Latin America. The entire world is becoming an unsafe neighborhood.

    Recant your Christianity or die. Middle East, then there’s the US, where hatred of Christianity causes businesses to be fined into extinction.

    John Hitchcock (a0bb6f)

  9. Link fixed, thanks, hf. iPhone corrects href to beef every time.

    Patterico (94a8a0)

  10. seems like you can also look at this as Mr. Trump throwing a lifeline to down-ticket Rs here

    he’s giving their candidacies a potentially powerful rationale

    they can check Mr. Trump’s whorish negotiating impulses

    pee-stank democrats can’t promise that

    but down-ticket Rs can and they can also earn a mandate to do so

    this is kinda interesting

    it’s like a pincer movement that threatens to undermine sleazy corrupt wiscotrash paul ryan’s doble dealings starting on day one

    happyfeet (831175)

  11. sleazy corrupt wiscotrash paul ryan’s *double dealings* I mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  12. Laura Ingraham was on tv saying that even Reagan got divorced! in response to assertions that Trump has a lot of moral failings—including infidelity and public vulgarity—on his record.
    She also said that Lincoln had “moral failings” in his conduct as Commander in Chief during the Civil War. I assume she’s referring to Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus, and making West Virginia a state, et al—as if that has anything to do with Trump’s admitted infidelities or his sexual vulgarity on the Howard Stern Show.

    Unbelievable.

    And just as Hannity, Limbaugh, Gallagher, and Coulter have all been pounding the table for years, screaming that everyone to the left of Barry Goldwater is a “RINO,” here’s holier-than-thou Laura Ingraham carrying water for a guy who donated to Harry Reid’s re-election in 2010.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  13. As he came into the window (YouTube)
    It was the sound of a crescendo
    He came into her apartment
    He left the bloodstains on the carpet
    She ran underneath the table
    He could see she was unable
    So she ran into the bedroom
    She was struck down, it was her doom
    Annie are you OK
    Are you OK
    Are you OK, Annie
    Annie are you OK
    Are you OK
    Are you OK, Annie
    Annie are you OK
    Are you OK
    Are you OK, Annie
    Annie are you OK
    Are you OK, are you OK, Annie

    Needed a soundtrack.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  14. You’ve been struck by
    You’ve been hit by
    a smooth criminal.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  15. sexual vulgarity on the Howard Stern Show — oh my. What is the world coming to.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  16. End Times Prophecy

    It’s like we’re entering a perfect storm, where lunacy and mendacity reign supreme, where two congenital liars will be on the US election ballot in November.

    One item of note is the original 1902 fireplace mantel which was restored during the Kennedy restoration and bears a very special inscription. The inscription was taken from a letter President John Adams wrote to his wife Abigail back in 1800 during his first few days of living in the White House, it reads “I pray Heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this House, and all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men rule under this roof.”

    [Insert sound of vinyl record being scratched here.]

    Mark (b2a63a)

  17. Hey, don’t worry, Patterico.

    No matter what Trump does or says, there will be eager water carriers to defend whatever.

    Sometimes they even use grammar and capitalization.

    It won’t matter if the water carriers defend statements and actions by Trump they vulgarly attacked when done by others.

    They are just low information nihilists.

    Angry low information graffiti calling itself art.

    They want the system to be destroyed.

    Simon Jester (f67876)

  18. Even ropelight violates the Tenth Commandment, as was seen in his apologetics and lies, trying to prove in another thread that Trump’s promised tax increase wasn’t a tax increase because it was effecting people who weren’t paying their fair share.

    John Hitchcock (a0bb6f) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:22 am

    Odious Hitchcock, you’re going to have to provide some evidence of your assertion or admit you’re a bible thumping fundamentalist halfwit.

    ropelight (697bc5)

  19. Remember, when a Progressive Leftist (and The Donald fits in there somewhere alongside Bernie) says that he’s going to “Tax The Rich”, to them the definition of “rich” is someone with a job.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  20. I AM a Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian Conservative. Interesting that you would assume half-wit as part of the Fundamentalist Christian descriptor. And you have gone full Perry with your demands for citations to things that are very available to all who regularly read these pages.

    John Hitchcock (a0bb6f)

  21. creative destruction

    will be our salvation

    we’ll make a great nation

    after a fashion

    and you can carp and you can sneer

    but you can’t get there

    from here

    happyfeet (831175)

  22. Halfwit Hitchcock, you accuse me of violating the 10th Commandment then when asked for evidence to back up your assertion you weasel out claiming Christian credentials. Where’s the Christianity in that? You’re no Christian fundamental or otherwise, you’re just a two-face belly crawlin’ chickensh*t liar.

    ropelight (697bc5)

  23. #18 ropeliar,

    Why are you angrily attacking John Hitchcock’s religion when discussing an issue of taxes? If you intend to persuade people to vote for Trump in November, attacking their theology is probably not the best strategy.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  24. As I said before,
    It ain’t over until it is over,
    Say that I am in denial,
    But it isn’t even August yet,
    Let alone Nov 1

    I don’t think anyone should rush to back Trump.
    For all that I disagree with him on many things,
    On this I agree with Ryan,
    Tell Trump to earn the support of the 55%+ that did not vote for him
    Anti Trump and pro Cruz PACs keep doing what you do
    Investigate 3rd party “Constitutional Moderates”
    Not a pro-choice, but not someone identified as prolife since there is little they can do other than appoint originalist judges
    Re Glbtqetc and bathrooms
    Go with what the public argument was, let people alone, which means no one has to enable a wedding they object to on the basis of belief on marriage
    Compassion for those with sexual identity issues, but no woman of any age should be required to share bathrooms and locker rooms with people of male phenotype.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  25. and jesus cameth unto the end times with a dragon of seven heads and he scourgethed the poopers with his angelfire stinger missiles

    and he came uponeth a young lady drawing water from the city well

    why do you not fear my missiles he asked?

    my mother is thirsty she said

    and jesus turned her into a beautiful gazelle

    that the zombie hordes soon set upon and devoured

    thus endeth the reading

    happyfeet (831175)

  26. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:55 am

    Agreed, let’s enjoy Summer, and a the opening of football season, knock back a few brewskies, and then let our insides churn as we make a (hopefully not) fateful decision as who to vote for on the 1st Tuesday following the 1st Monday of November.
    And remember the sage advice of George Will: Never participate in Early Voting, as you never can tell what may develop at the last minute.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  27. Japan is one of the few portions of the industrialized world that isn’t grappling with the issue of immigration, immigrant ghettos and Islamism. Moreover, its socio-political structure is also generally consistently quasi-conservative. But that nation’s prime minister, who’s idelogically somewhat analogous to a US Republican, wants to ratchet up sales taxes in 2017 and is using the Keynesian playbook to try to revive Japan’s economy—so far without luck. In the meantime…

    dailymail.co.uk, March 2016: The number of elderly Japanese people turning to crime so that they can live for free in prison is soaring, according to a new study. Around 35 per cent of shoplifting offences in Japan are carried out by people over the age of 60, crime figures show. This has risen from 20.4 per cent in 2005.

    And these offences are often not isolated occurrences, as around 40 per cent of over-sixties who do re-offend have done so more than six times.

    According to the Financial Times, a major factor driving the geriatric crime wave is old-age poverty. And while there are special work programmes for elderly Japanese people, many do not work and have little money to live off.

    I mentioned before that liberal bias makes any person a naif and fool. I pointed out Ronald Reagan, in a moment of weakness — by giving in to his NOT better angels (ie, his liberal instincts) — choosing to secretly negotiate in the 1980s with hostage-taking Iran. I failed to mention that Republican Herbert Hoover several decades before then increased income taxes to a confiscatory level in the 1930s and pretty much created the first step to the greater liberalism (and ongoing Great Depression) of his successor, Franklin Roosevelt.

    BTW, in all my years of reading assessments of why the Great Depression was so great and remained so bad, almost no analyst, even in the field of economics, has cited as a huge factor that one fundamental and truly idiotic error by both Hoover and Roosevelt—who wanted to increase income taxes on the wealthy even higher, up to the 90-percentile range.

    Mark (b2a63a)

  28. @ Cruz Supporter (#12): I agree with you that Laura Ingraham has been a particular disgrace. Unlike some of the other names you mentioned, she’s not stupid; and she’s not one of the many otherwise-intelligent victims of Trump’s con either. Rather, she’s knowingly sold out every ounce of integrity chasing the ratings and revenue from Circus Trump. May she choke on the proceeds. I’ll never respect her or anything she says again.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  29. #28 Beldar,

    It’s like living in Bizarro World, listening to all these conservative talking heads who’ve been lecturing us for years about how they’ll never be able to once again support a squishy RINO for President—ever!
    To follow up on Ingraham, she was really instrumental in the primary challenge to Eric Cantor by David Brat. She was showing up at campaign rallies for Brat, and banging the microphone daily. Say what we will about Cantor, but Cantor’s significantly more conservative than Trump.
    Oy vey.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  30. I would support a higher tax on, and on profit from, luxury items. Such as casinos, vacation resorts and restaurants; homes above a certain square footage; automobiles costing above a certain amount; jewelry and furs; high-fashion clothes; the higher-end home entertainment electronics …. Things of that sort.

    nk (dbc370)

  31. But even then, nk, my understanding is that when a tax was increased on yachts, the people most affected were the tradesmen that built them losing jobs.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  32. I am curious if there is anything that Trump can say that won’t result in Happyfeet trying to blame someone else, after creating a new name for a politico uninvolved with Trump’s current flip flop, and supporting the newest position of Trump’s as something to save our Republic.

    JD (fa1259)

  33. That kind of jealousy tax worked out great last time nk.

    JD (fa1259)

  34. supporting the newest position of Trump’s as something to save our Republic

    whaaa?

    I did NOT support it I said my hope was that his position would strengthen down-ticket R’s who might run on the argument that – and I quote myself from up there above

    they can check Mr. Trump’s whorish negotiating impulses

    happyfeet (831175)

  35. So you don’t support it, you just approve of it because of wiscotrash?

    JD (fa1259)

  36. Sigh.

    nk (dbc370)

  37. Annie Ropey Get Your Gun

    He goes for his medical
    He’s passed, its’ a miracle
    He’s posting like a loon
    He whistles nonsense tunes
    He gives smacks to everyone
    He’s found a chord that he can strum
    His brains are leaking out
    His name’s all over town.

    What’s that he’s saying?
    Ropey, get your gun
    What’s that he’s taking
    His song has to be sung
    He’s gone dyspeptic
    Ropey, wipe them out
    That’s not unexpected
    Pound that sand and shout
    Don’t pull that trigger
    Ropey, get your gun
    Don’t shoot that ‘winger
    You’re shooting number one, number one

    He’s not into miracles
    Sees life all too cynical
    That Trump has got his tongue
    Now he bangs on his drum
    We say pull the other one
    Bell’s rung, look what you have done
    His brains are leaking out
    His name’s all over town.
    What’s that he’s screaming?
    Ropey, get your gun
    What’s that he’s taking?
    His song has to be sung
    He’s gone dyspeptic
    Ropey, wipe them out
    That’s not unexpected
    Pound that sand and shout
    Don’t pull that trigger
    Ropey, get your gun
    Don’t shoot that ‘winger
    You’re shooting number one

    Colonel Haiku (c06b23)

  38. i don’t approve of raising taxes on the rich at all

    our new third whirl obamacare health system that mitt romney invented and berobed slut John Roberts blessed

    they did that a-plenty!

    most people are not rich by inheritance like Mr. The Donald

    most people have but a handful of rich years after years of meager ones where they strived and sacrificed

    and it is these years Mr. The Donald is proposing to tax

    it is wrong wrong wrong

    but I tell you what

    Republicans might can moderate this wrongheadedness, if they were to abjure wiscotrash losers like Paul Ryan and rediscover their principles

    but the Ds will only encourage Mr. Trump to gouge harder and deeper

    and pee-stank would do far far worse

    happyfeet (831175)

  39. General Electric lobbied hard to poison my house with overpriced under performing twisted balls of mercury vapor. So every change of a bulb is an anxiety inducing adventure with potential to become a hazmat drill, while filching from my wallet.

    My bias and preferences for them being taxed to the highest extent possible.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  40. When life gives you feces, you make fudge, but with peanuts not walnuts.

    Colonel Haiku (c06b23)

  41. that’s just gross

    happyfeet (831175)

  42. I am curious if there is anything that Trump can say that won’t result in Happyfeet trying to blame someone else, after creating a new name for a politico uninvolved with Trump’s current flip flop, and supporting the newest position of Trump’s as something to save our Republic.

    JD (fa1259) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:22 pm

    Well now that Trump is a goldy sackman apparently he needs a new irrational insult.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  43. yes I’d prefer Donald stayed away from the sleazy goldy sackies but at least his one was just recruited out of college for an entry-level gig there, then worked his way up

    heidi-cakes traded her Bush admin experience for a plum goldy sacky job she had absolutely zero qualifications for then got a big fat promotion two weeks after Teddy-pie won his senate seat

    she’s a sleazy lil thang

    daughter of missionaries lol

    happyfeet (831175)

  44. Aka is okay for for Trump to be be a goldy sackman because TRUMP but not Cruz because WOMEN SUCK.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  45. Well now that Trump is a goldy sackman apparently he needs a new irrational insult.

    Where’s his Goldman Sachs jacket?

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  46. when sleazy michelle obama traded on food stamp’s influence for lucrative no-work sinecures and promotions i don’t remember it being an unfashionable or misogynist thing to criticize that Mr. 2nd

    happyfeet (831175)

  47. Can’t be unhappy
    Mother’s Day in Half Moon Bay
    Bride of Forty Years

    Colonel Haiku (c06b23)

  48. and I “knew” teh Bride when she used to rock n’ roll

    Colonel Haiku (c06b23)

  49. On Mother’s Day, Mr. Feet, why don’t you put your misogynistic BS away?

    Last I heard, Heidi Cruz didn’t run for President.

    Trump is.

    And Trump is far and away more corrupt and venal than anything at all you can bring up regarding the spouses of Presidential candidates.

    I’m starting to think you aren’t a fan of the ladies.

    NTTIAWWT.

    Anyway, you will put on your silly Mr. Magoo glasses about Trump, while putting everyone else under a microscope.

    And it doesn’t seem to have a blessed thing to do with consistency or your so-called principles.

    You, sir, are a lazy troll.

    And I will take connections to financial firms any day of the week over the Mob.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/28/how-close-was-donald-trump-to-the-mob/

    Whoops. Your fingers are going to get callused putting them in your ears.

    Lazy hypocrite.

    Again, quite acting like a jackwagon, and so will I.

    It’s your choice. Just like it was Trump’s to deal with the mob and lie like a Persian rug.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  50. there’s nothing misogynist about pointing out how harvardtrash heidi rolls

    she thought she was first lady material

    but ask yourself, was she really?

    Was she?

    That job she got with the sackies… was she really the best-qualified candidate?

    Or did she trade on her position and influence with the Bush admin to get a job she didn’t otherwise deserve?

    And what was with that sweet sweet promotion the sackies gave her just days after her hubby won his senate seat?

    These questions, would they have been explored thoroughly and aggressively if Ted had become the nominee?

    It’s so hard to know but my guess is that yes, these questions would have been explored thoroughly and aggressively if Ted had become the nominee.

    happyfeet (831175)

  51. Have you ever sat down, Mr. Feet, and reviewed your prior comments about women in general?

    I’m very serious.

    You have a problem.

    It’s okay not to like women. It’s not okay to continually be vulgar. It’s like Dan Savage is your spirit animal.

    In particular, you have had women who post here—each of whom is worth far, far more than you will ever be in terms of insight and valuable discussion—tell you that you are vulgar.

    Yet you continue to drop these turdlets of yours into Patterico’s punchbowl.

    Like it is your punchbowl.

    This is why I am saying what I am saying. You have a choice. You can be a decent person who supports Trump, and doesn’t support other candidates. You can make your points with clarity and intelligence. And you could have a shot at changing minds.

    Or you can be a jerk whom no one would want at a party…at a party that Patterico creates, and to be clear, for which Patterico pays.

    Like Trump, you seem to want to be a jerk. And a jerk on someone else’s dime, again like Trump.

    It’s not poiitical. It’s not honest. It’s not debate.

    It is pathological.

    You cheapen other people’s experiences by your approach. You drive away good people, and attract more offal like yourself. And you have done it at other places.

    It’s your choice, until the day Patterico says “enough.”

    But honestly, I don’t think you can help yourself. You (and this is sick) enjoy being a jerk from a safe location who is not held accountable for all the nasty statements and dishonesty. And more particularly, you like doing it when someone else is paying for the space.

    Just don’t call it political difference. The choice is yours.

    But everyone knows what you will choose.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  52. Happyfeet is pointing fingers at everyone except Trump and Trump supporters for his admission that he may propose tax decreases, but plans on raising taxes.

    JD (fa1259)

  53. JD, I just dislike hypocrisy so. This video, I think, helps explain why decent people might support Trump. I don’t mean verbal bomb throwers, but people just sick of all the PC stuff. It’s worth your time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0OwferZvFI

    I don’t agree, but some of it makes sense.

    Best wishes, sir.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  54. yeah I’m not really on board with your hot take there Mr. Jester

    and Mr. JD I’ve registered my disappointed with Mr. Trump’s tax proposals as strongly as I know how to do (see #38 for example)

    I just still think he’s way better for America than pee-stank

    Pee-stank the Defiler will bring only darkness.

    happyfeet (831175)

  55. she’s not even in office yet and she already corrupting the FBI, the DOJ

    she is the harbinger of lawlessness

    her stank will consume us all

    happyfeet (831175)

  56. See, here’s the thing, Mr. Feet. You haven’t tried it any other way. But you simply can’t help but be a vulgar jackwagon.

    As you just did.

    My guess is that you could change hearts and minds by being clear.

    But you would rather be an offensive jerk. It’s a choice. It’s probably why you like Trump, as outlined in the video.

    You don’t really care about any of the things you say you do, at all.

    I wish you would try, but I think it would take too much out of you in a forum paid for by Patterico. You would rather drop more turdlets into someone else’s punchbowl. It think that your whole schtick doesn’t have much to do with politics, at all.

    Too bad.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  57. i hit the widger on the regular

    happyfeet (831175)

  58. No you didn’t, Happyfeet. You tried to deflect that to being a positive for other Team R’s, and somehow wiscotrash’ fault.

    JD (fa1259)

  59. oh you caught that did you

    happyfeet (831175)

  60. i want Mr. Trump to win not pee-stank

    that does not make me a bad person

    it makes me an awesome person

    happyfeet (831175)

  61. Too late. You guys are still in the stands rooting for your team — after they’ve power down the scoreboard, everybody else has left the stadium, and they are turing out the lights and sweeping up the spilled popcorn & peanut shells.

    Trump is the 2016 Republican candidate. You can stop arguing against him. That argument lost, the voters voted for him.
    Trump wasn’t my first choice. But he is the last one standing.

    Your choices now are Hillary or Trump.

    Cruz will not be on the November ballot. Nor will Jeb, or Kasich or Rubio or Walker. Just Trump & Hillary.

    fred-2 (ce04f3)

  62. “You can stop arguing against” a foul-mouthed, lying, Leftist Democrat scumbag. King Fred The Unknown has ruled on someone else’s board.

    Hey, Fred, if you don’t like seeing people out your god, then go back where you came from. Breitbart sites love your god. Go there.

    John Hitchcock (a0bb6f)

  63. And lots of people are #NeverTrump, #NeverHillary, so those are not the only choices people can make.

    John Hitchcock (a0bb6f)

  64. Mr happyfeet,

    Heidi Cruz has a very impressive academic resume. That’s how she got the job which led to the job. That’s how it usually works. In fact I bet she even knows how to use capital letters and proper punctuation. And she doesn’t sound like Pebbles or Bam-Bam with the babytalk, either.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  65. I don’t understand why you don’t think a third party could win.

    Look at Leiberman in Ct and Lisa Murkowski in Alaska.

    Remember, if Trump had not won the Republican nominee he was going to run as an independent.

    He has no loyalties nor most important, the servant’s heart necessary for this position. He will be a fox in the henhouse. He will exploit our resources for the gain of the Trump org. He will demand excessive attention and he will, unlike Reagean, remove the steel door between the U.S. and Russia.
    He will, as he has said remove the right to free speech. Therefore, no hitching about him after the election. Then, his paranoia will set in and he will remove the second amendment.

    Confused (958b1c)

  66. If he keeps evolving at this rate, by the time the debates come around, he’ll be calling himself Donna.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  67. And it won’t bother the Trumpies.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  68. Simon – just don’t let your BP rise in your interchange with hf.

    The choice right now is nothing
    It is May
    No candidate has won a majority of delegates
    No candidate in the “R” category has won a majority of votes
    And the candidate closest to both of those has at least one and probably multiple swords hanging over her head.

    And while 3rd party candidates like Perot usually just act as spoilers,
    Currently we have the two most disliked candidates ever and an outright socialist still in it.

    I long ago said it would be an actual miracle if this country elected a reasonable person as president, until it is over I will hope.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  69. MD, thank you. It’s just that I learned a great deal from the various posters here, and sometimes the noise gets in the way. I’m pretty certain that HF could make real contributions instead of the nutty and offensive nonsense.

    If you get a chance, check out that Klavan and Whittle video I linked to, about lying.

    I’m more and more convinced we need a new party—something based on honesty, small government, and more freedom.

    But that’s the optimist in me.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  70. seriously, you are already giving red queen the benefit of the doubt, and we’ve seen how this works, with w, it took 9/11 to get his un pick, negroponte a vote, because democrats never move on, with lurch, his record of infamy, only a passel of republicans voted against him,

    narciso (732bc0)

  71. “Just Trump & Hillary.”

    Thanks for your insightful premature analysis, Freddie. Given that false choice, I choose neither. Your silly approach will convince nobody to join your side.

    JD (7fd277)

  72. Narciso,

    I don’t understand your comment about giving red queen “the benefit of the doubt”,
    We know she is evil and would make a terrible president, that her record should make her candidacy a joke,
    And that like Obama she may get elected anyway.

    Some of us even think Trump is in on this, treating the stereotypical Republican hick conservative as a fool to throw it to HRC

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  73. lieberman was a protest against ‘red ned’ lamont, mxlpldlk well we know how that scam came about, she defeated the will of the people,

    narciso (732bc0)

  74. @Patterico.

    Such doom and gloom.

    Back in the day, we called it by its proper name: Reaganomics.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  75. perhaps, if she becomes president, it will be westeros, all opposition will be crushed with an iron fist, most will accomodate themselves to her, in the manor we have seen accustomed, we want opposition to flourish, all manner with arise against trump,

    narciso (732bc0)

  76. Lying leaders and a public that loves the lies usually are condemned in the Scriptures and receive their just punishment
    In fact, God asked Jeremiah, “How can I not judge a people such as this?”

    We may yet be spared, but it will be in spite of ourselves and the work of God’s mercy.

    Nineveh repented, after all.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  77. I agree, narciso,
    which is why I will vote for Trump in November if there is no alternative to the D, whoever that will be,
    But I will not,
    I will not,
    assent to the idea that Trump is anything other than a disgraceful candidate.

    Maybe some Babylonian gods were preferable to Baal and Moloch, idk,
    but they were still Babylonian gods.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  78. there’s a reason why drury titled it so,

    http://www.bible-history.com/biblestudy/nineveh.html

    at the end of the tale, the soviets have totally crushed the united states, thanks to the clueless edward jason,

    narciso (732bc0)

  79. Hoagie – I will agree to disagree with you. But browbeating won’t work in changing my mind.

    JD (fa1259)

  80. seriously, jd who is browbeating you are already #committed to hillary’, as the establishment two generations were willing to go ‘all the way with lbj’

    narciso (732bc0)

  81. Perhaps JD is as strongly #NeverClinton as anyone on earth? Using the impeccable logic demonstrated by Trump supporters his opposition is therefore support for Trump.

    How could it be otherwise?

    Rick Ballard (44b7ba)

  82. no, rick, show me an example when this kind of obstinacy has worked, I’ll spot you 150 years

    narciso (732bc0)

  83. I am under no obligation to provide you with anything. Trump doesn’t want my support and I will be more than happy to not burden him with anything resembling it.

    Shouldn’t you be writing him a nice check or rustling up some of those Dems who he says are frantic to vote for him?

    Rick Ballard (44b7ba)

  84. I’m not the ‘committed to hillary’ remember when you used to cited brands and edmund morris, as evidence,

    heck of a job, red queen,

    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2016/05/ayman-al-zawahiri-discusses-al-qaedas-goal-of-building-an-islamic-emirate-in-syria.php

    narciso (732bc0)

  85. Aside from the fact that Trump is showing his hand, what he’s saying is fundamentally illogical. If his desire is to cut taxes, then how could they ever end up increasing in a negotiation? The idea of a negotiation is to get at least SOME of what you want. Allegedly he wants some kind of a cut. It might make sense to agree to a smaller cut, but a negotiation that results in the OPPOSITE of what you want would have to be the most incompetent negotiation in history. Leaving them as they are would be preferable to that. Trump is lying about having a real plan to cut taxes and is aiming his message at people who are as dumb as a box of rocks.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  86. A last clarification,
    I know that the flow of history can turn sharply.
    A hurricane comes, a Dem gov. and mayor make colossal mistakes,
    and George W. gets blamed for it.
    A stupid story about a dog in a cage on a roof is seen as the epitome of evil and thoughtlessness,
    Obvious things of corruption go unnoticed
    The wrong people get blamed for financial meltdowns.

    We don’t know what history will bring,
    so I am not going to say that our emperor’s clothes are any better than their emperor’s
    Until it is true and necessary

    I’d rather maintain a stand for what is good and true
    than jump into pragmatic amorality and lose anyway.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  87. What was he saying again?

    Because an honest assessment would be Trump doesn’t expect the Democrats to roll over once he’s in office.

    Your analysis is fubar.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  88. recall the 86 tax act, a cup of poison that the democrats handed reagan,

    narciso (732bc0)

  89. which probably showcased how bad a chief of staff, don regan, was, as opposed to baker,

    narciso (732bc0)

  90. Trump has lots of bargaining chips. When the Republicans show resistance to his goal, he can go to some Democrats. When Democrats show resistance, he goes to the Republicans. Minimum wage is the easy one. You can make a minimum wage moot by purposely creating wage-based inflation that will make that minimum wage look like nothing, and that is Trump’s plan, and wage-based inflation isn’t a bad thing. Republicans want business tax relief? You tie it to tariffs taken in and you bargain with Trump on that basis. It’s all part of the comprehensive package that will be passed. And it most certainly will be passed. I’ll explain why.

    It would be insane to implement a largely increased national minimum wage unless you also implement policies that make that new minimum wage a “going wage”. You can’t have US companies forced to pay their employees $15 an hour going head to head against non-tariff imports that pay their employees a buck an hour without totally destroying US employment. So Trump forces Democrats to make these big American wages realistic by slapping huge tariffs on imports. But more than likely you get a mix from each party that go along with it and a mix of others opposed to it. It will be a “comprehensive bill”. Trump could look at it and realize that he doesn’t need to raise taxes on the rich so much because he has enough Republicans who will pass his agenda without necessitating bargaining with Democrats to make it happen. If it comes to the other side, then he needs to give some Democrats that soak the rich concession to bolster themselves with their constituency before they sign on.

    The one thing that a Republican president should have in his favor that a Democrat president can’t enjoy is that the Republican president shouldn’t be very anxious to spend the taxpayers’ money. That in itself is a bargaining chip to bring Democrats to the table. So of course Trump is considering what he can squeeze out of the Democrats.

    jcurtis (8cf4ed)

  91. the Republican president shouldn’t be very anxious to spend the taxpayers’ money.

    But Trump has loved spending other people’s money, then walking away and letting them hold the empty bag.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  92. papertiger,

    Raising taxes is not a synonym for lowering taxes. You really are a Trumpkin, aren’t you?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  93. Cruz will not be on the November ballot. Nor will Jeb, or Kasich or Rubio or Walker. Just Trump & Hillary.

    fred-2 (ce04f3) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:22 pm

    Well, gee Fred! Thanks. I really mean that. Until you put it that way, I never really understood just who was running for Chief Enabler President. It’s all so clear to me now, like the radiant sunshine on a mild Spring day. You, good sir have enabled me to speak with a loud voice and a clear conscience “I will not back Trump!”. My sincerest gratitude to you, Fred.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  94. 90, Trump can’t be a spendthrift or appear to be a spendthrift if he becomes a Republican president. I think we can all agree that he’ll want to be reelected in 2020. But furthermore, it helps him achieve his agenda by appearing to be stingy on spending the taxpayers’ dollars.

    You know, Trump actually said that the Republicans should have held out longer with Cruz in opposing the spending bills that Cruz was filibustering. That wasn’t even thought to be a popular position. It definitely benefits Trump to at least appear to be stingy because that brings the Democrats, and most Republicans, to their knees pleading to open the purse strings and makes them willing to play ball for Trump’s big agendas.

    jcurtis (8cf4ed)

  95. reduce corporate taxes, raise the tariff, or some such thing,

    narciso (732bc0)

  96. What was he saying again?

    Because an honest assessment would be Trump doesn’t expect the Democrats to roll over once he’s in office.

    Your analysis is fubar.

    papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:54 pm

    Are you talking about my analysis? Trump says his plan is to cut taxes but he’ll negotiate with Democrats to raise them. That makes no sense whatsoever. If Democrats won’t roll over and agree to a tax cut then the next best thing is do nothing.

    Trumpers are fubar.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  97. It definitely benefits Trump to at least appear to be stingy because that brings the Democrats, and most Republicans, to their knees pleading to open the purse strings and makes them willing to play ball for Trump’s big agendas.

    jcurtis (8cf4ed) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:43 pm

    Trump cannot “open the purse strings”. Congress has the power of the purse. That’s one of the most elementary points in how the government works. Try again.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  98. depends who is in congress, didn’t they fault reagan for that,

    narciso (732bc0)

  99. may not matter, in the keynes long run

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-will-probably-implode-16088

    narciso (732bc0)

  100. I’m just praying that one of these days, it will be revealed that none of this is real. The camera will pan over to Rod Serling, standing there with a dangling cigarette, as he introduces tonite’s episode which is a story about a vulgar grandstanding populist who will do or say anything in order to attain power…in The Twilight Zone.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:21 am

    I share those sentiments, but expressed it differently in this tweet:

    Doesn’t it feel lately like we’re all on Candid Camera & Allen Funt is God? #AgainstTrump #DumpTrump #tcot

    L.N. Smithee (472caf)

  101. my own variation on the real story,

    narciso (732bc0)

  102. Michelle obama’s “job” was getting government grants for the hospital. Being the wife of a state senator is an obvious qualification for that role, and it was the only one she had. Heidi Cruz had a real job in the Bush administration, and then “traded on” her experience in that job to land the one at Goldman Sachs, exactly as we all “trade on” our experience every time we apply for a new job. Her promotion would seem to have been directly related to her decision to relocate; her new location needed someone in that position, so she got it. There is no reason to suspect any connection to her husband’s career.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  103. her actual job, was to ‘dump’ patients of out of university of chicago hospital into other places, heidi’s had to do with urban finance, issuing bonds for construction,

    narciso (732bc0)

  104. what administration job did heidi-cakes have that prepared her to manage wealth for people

    there was nobody in houston what had more better experience at this than the heidi?

    i find this very implausible

    happyfeet (831175)

  105. Managing the wealth of multi-millionaires is one job where patronage, cronyism, or affirmative action do not apply. It’s strictly competence or the moneybags walk away. True or false?

    nk (dbc370)

  106. Forgot nepotism. No nepotism, either.

    nk (dbc370)

  107. @ Cruz Supporter (#12): I agree with you that Laura Ingraham has been a particular disgrace. Unlike some of the other names you mentioned, she’s not stupid; and she’s not one of the many otherwise-intelligent victims of Trump’s con either. Rather, she’s knowingly sold out every ounce of integrity chasing the ratings and revenue from Circus Trump. May she choke on the proceeds. I’ll never respect her or anything she says again.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:34 am

    Amen to that. I was a daily listener to her radio show and when it was canceled on local radio, I became a Laura 365 member and downloaded it daily. She and I were simpatico so often, it was like having a long-lost twin sister. We both had the same breaking point as far as supporting George W. Bush was concerned: When he nominated his personal attorney Harriet Miers for Supreme Court Justice and listed among her qualifications her volunteer work for Meals on Wheels. And in 2007, when the bipartisan Please-Let’s-Not-Call-It-Amnesty Bill featured expedited re-entry for Mexican illegals who qualified for the so-called “Z Visa,” Ingraham opposed it despite the fact the U.S. Chamber of Commerce was a sponsor on her program and her website.

    No such bravery coming from Laura nowadays. Why not? I have a couple of ideas.

    First of all, Ingraham became a media star largely due to her first bestseller, The Hillary Trap, in which she alleges that young Ms. Rodham road the coattails of the virile, brainy man going places in life rather than blaze her own trail. It wouldn’t look good if she didn’t vigorously oppose her bid for Leader of the Free World after serving as the living model of what she shouldn’t be.

    Secondly: Usually, Ingraham jumps into the day’s political topics in the first segment of her show. On January 9, 2004, something different happened. The previous night, she had just seen the first installment of a new TV show, and just raved about it that morning. She spent most of the first hour talking about it, and parts of the second one too. On and on and on. I hadn’t seen it, so I wasn’t interested, and wished she would move on to the news.

    In case you haven’t yet guessed, that show was The Apprentice.

    I am NOT making that up.

    L.N. Smithee (472caf)

  108. 97. A Republican House can’t spend anything without a Republican president’s blessing. They can refuse to spend money despite a president’s wishes that they do spend money, but that isn’t what we’re talking about. That was the advantage the House had when there was a spendthrift president named Obama but they squandered it because the Republican House loves spending my money as much as Obama does. And that is why Trump should appear to be a spendthrift and only sign onto the spending in return for ratification of his agenda.

    If you think the Republicans and Democrats can band together to override a Trump spending veto instead of buckling to Trump’s agenda demands, nope. Every Republican congressman who joins with the Democrats for the purpose of avoiding immigration restrictions and labor value protecting trade restrictions would be primaried and lose badly in 2018.

    jcurtis (83506d)

  109. Trade wars ROCK

    JD (5abd66)

  110. And nothing beats a nationalist with a xenophobic cult following being in charge when a giant inflationary crash occurs.

    Actually, the Depression was a deflationary crash, and Hitler came to power after it took hold. There was a hyper-inflation episode in Germany, but it was in 1923, ten years earlier, and didn’t really cause a crash. Nor did it boost the Nazis – in the next three elections, they didn’t break 5%.

    Rich Rostrom (d2c6fd)

  111. …Donald Trump is an experienced negotiator who knows that showing your opponent your hand before you sit down to negotiate always results in the very best deals. That I can tell you. Tipping your hand right at the beginning is so smart, believe me. So smart.

    Trunp’s low-information and low-income base will eat this up, because fundamentally they are resentful class warriors just like the Bernie crowd. The rhetoric of making the fat cats pay their fair share will sound peachy to them.

    Yes, the Trumptards will eat it up. But as you said on this thread…

    http://patterico.com/2016/05/08/trump-the-republican-party-is-not-called-the-conservative-party/

    A little “{F U}” to conservatives from the Trumpmeister:

    …this is actually an “F U” to his cultic base. They were too stupid to know he was insulting them when he could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue an shoot somebody in broad daylight and his supporters wouldn’t leave him. Because they’re just like all the “nice pieces of @$$” he’s always f***ed. You can treat them like wh*res and they’ll keep coming back.

    What Trump has created is just a cult of personality.

    This entire race has boiled down to voting for the dictator who will look out for the in group while going after their enemies. Hillary!, Bernie, and Trump all got their support on that basis; which Il Duce would punish their supporters’ enemies and distribute the spoils to them.

    Trump is now letting the mask drop and letting the Trumptards know he’s not really going to be the Il Duce they were looking for. They just couldn’t figure out the person he could shoot on 5th Ave. in broad daylight was a Trumptard.

    …And when the jobs disappear, because of this taxation, they’ll blame CHI-NAH!!!1! And then we’ll get those job-crushing 45% tariffs. Everyone’s standard of living will lower as they pay more for basic goods. The dollar will devalue as foreigners flee our currency under Trump, who has talked about keeping entitlements at unsustainable levels, and short-changing bondholders to deal with the resulting crushing debt.

    As I said Trump could shoot a Trumptard on 5th Ave. in broad daylight and he wouldn’t lose the support of the other Trumptards in his cult of personality.

    But he’s the kind of guy who will enjoy arse r*ping them prison-b*tch style with a sandpaper condom, then seeing those same people turn around and give him a standing ovation just for shouting “We’re going to build a wall!” (and never building one, just yelling about it), so much more

    Steve57 (412496)


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