Shouldn’t It Matter To Voters When A Presumptive Nominee Keeps Making Stuff Up?
[guest post by Dana]
This is an instructive illustration of the scripture that reminds us that the man who can be trusted in the small things is also the one who can be trusted in the big things, but the man who is dishonest in the small things, even things like alleged conversations, is also the man bound to be dishonest in the big things.
About Marco Rubio, Trump claims to have had recent conversations with the senator, and about Paul Ryan, Trump claims that the speaker called him to offer congratulations on his win in New York several weeks ago. Except neither claim is true. Exactly how does a presumptive nominee who freely continues to make stuff up, benefit the American people? And although his loyal supporters don’t yet see it, if he does become our next president, they too will eventually be personally and adversely impacted by this specific character deficiency because the fallout will not be selective.
Let it be a reminder that while facts are indeed a stubborn thing and should matter, they no longer do to a great many people. Not even in the smallest things.
–Dana
Nose, nose anything goes.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:11 amHis lies are YUGE.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:14 ami trust Mr. Trump way way more than corrupt slimy paul ryan
slurping up government slop is paul ryan’s whole life
it’s who he is at his very core, at least when he’s not rubbing oil on Aaron Schock’s rockhard abs
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:28 amThank heaven we can’t say that about Hillary. Oh wait!
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:33 amHere’s where I disagree with Patterico: #NeverTrump does NOT mean voting for Shrillary. My daughter and I are both #NeverTrump and we’re also both #NeverHillary.
John Hitchcock (a0bb6f) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:35 amIf that Rubio story is not true, why doesn’t Rubio say so himself?
Patterico (94a8a0) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:40 amHe’s currently out of the country.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:51 amMr happyfeet, it appears you’ve graduated from a singular focus on harvardtrash and goldy sak to a singular focus on wiscotrash. i suppose it’s inevitable that you’ll take jabs at ryan for having been a driver of the oscar mayer wienermobile back in the day.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:56 amActually unnamed sources, do not prove something, need we remind you of wallace and schmidt?
narciso (b19692) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:59 amwhile facts are indeed a stubborn thing and should matter, they no longer do to a great many people
the fact i see is you spend all your energies whinging about Mr. Trump while partial-birth pee-stank waltzes hand in hand with Cecile Richards to the white house
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:06 amjust for giggles, and a change up, how about an occasional thread about Shrillery?
you don’t like Trump.
we get it, but hows about you talk about the other option, which is her in the Oval office, and what that would mean for the country?
redc1c4 (73134a) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:07 amfor instance…
redc1c4 (73134a) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:13 amShouldn’t It Matter To Voters When A Presumptive Nominee Keeps Making Stuff Up?
Like Hillary claimed she was named after Sir Edmond Hillary years before he climbed Mt. Everst, or when she landed under sniper fire when she was actually welcomed with by little girls with bundles of flowers, or when her subpoenaed Rose Law Firm billing records magically appeared on her table (Hillary has a long and unbroken history of missing or concealed documents, [ Travelgate, Filegate, the Strange Death of Vince Foster, Libya, Benghazi, Clinton Foundation, Speeches to Wall Street Bankers, State Department]it’s the indelible signature of her corruption in office).
Yeah, it’s important to take note of liars seeking high office.
ropelight (697bc5) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:14 am#13 ropelite,
We all know that Hillary is a liar and a scoundrel. But will you finally admit that The Mr Donald has a history of public lying?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:17 amDana, all the nuttiness and vulgarity around here is driving me batty. But I saw this, and thought you might appreciate it. Klavan and Whittle on lying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0OwferZvFI&feature=youtu.be
Simon Jester (f67876) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:19 amThe Donald needs his own “Ben Rhodes” to make all those Unicorn Dreams into Reality.
askeptic (efcf22) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:40 amredc1c4 and ropelight,
I understand that you both are tired of posts exposing Trump and his tendency to fabricate. I also understand that you would like the focus to be on Hillary Clinton’s own penchant for dishonesty. However, Hillary has been in the public eye for decades and has a proven record of embellishment and fabrication of the truth. Trump is a new face on the political stage, and given that he is the presumptive nominee, it’s important to examine his character, of which honesty is a foundational element.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:44 amTrump is a new face on the political stage
this is not true
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:53 amI watched the vid Simon Jester. What would two white guys know about truth? They have white privilege. They oppress others just by their existence.
I expected the vulgarity and nuttiness to subside after the primary. Wrong again. But Klavan and Whittle are right about political correct crap. Heaven forbid if you don’t bow to the false gods of diversity, equality of outcome and race and gender. You’re immediately a racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic, nationalistic Nazi. Any further discussion is unnecessary.
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:55 amDana, we have all examined his character and honesty and found them wanting. What you all are doing now is just grinding their faces in it while not facing the looming horror of Hillary. Enough is enough, concentrate on the enemy rather than rehashing time over time how much you all hate Trump. Its old.
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:59 amhappyfeet,
I didn’t think I had to spell it out: Trump is a new face on the political stage having reached the position of presumptive nominee. Yes, he’s run before beginning in what, 2000, I think, as a Reform Party candidate… but he’s never made it to this level.
Dana (0ee61a) — 5/8/2016 @ 10:59 amLet traitor ryan be the spokesdope for the neocons party.
mg (31009b) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:00 amtrue but pee-stank’s never made it to this level either
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:00 amThe 1976 presidential election cycle was the first in which I was eligible to vote, and I’ve voted against Jimmy Carter (twice), Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton (twice), Al Gore, John Kerry, and Barack Obama (twice). I opposed each of those Democrats whole-heartedly and with enthusiasm. But in order to register that opposition in a meaningful way, I was obliged to vote for several GOP nominees about whom I had very, very little affirmative enthusiasm. I never felt an ounce of enthusiasm for Bob Dole or John McCain, for example, and I thought both were terribly flawed candidates whom the party ought never have picked. But I didn’t actively despise them. I do despise, and will always despise, Donald J. Trump — and for that matter, the helicopter he rode in on, too.
Dana’s post just points out another of Trump’s continual, daily falsehoods — some outright brazen through-the-teeth lies, others a mix of hyperbole and falsehood, and others just ridiculous fantasies and projections that no one could ever credit. Trump’s supporters are unphased by any type of lies, however. And Trump can’t, won’t, doesn’t want to stop lying; it’s worked for him thus far, after all. And at least he’s running against another methodical, continual, amoral liar (or, actually, a pair of liars, surrounded by the entire Clintonista cadre of liars from Huma to George Snuffleupagus).
The general election is in exactly six months; the two major parties’ respective nominees each seem inevitable. Yet at no point in modern American history has there been this much doubt as to whether either or both candidacies can actually survive to election day: Hillary faces lingering problems with Sanders and his enthusiasts, plus the possibility of indictment. And Trump faces a convention that he seems poised to win, but that will be conducted among delegates who mostly hate him — plus a tendency to provoke random stupid crises that’s unmatched by any previous political candidate in the history of the world.
So to Dana’s excellent question — “Shouldn’t it matter to voters when a prospective nominee keeps making things up?” — my proposed answer is:
Yes, it should! But a degree of dishonesty that would have been considered disqualifying in American politics as recently as, say, 1959 now appears to be a job requirement, at least as the position of “presidential nominee” is defined by both major parties.
Surely some people will vote against Hillary because they perceive that she’s a liar, just as others will vote against Trump because they perceive that he’s a liar. Others will vote for Hillary or for Trump despite the fact that they’re each of them world-class liars. And more than a few will vote for Hillary or for Trump because they’re liars, and they enjoy the guilty thrill of participating in their chosen candidate’s fraud, which the Trumpkins perceive as “striking back at the establishment” and the Clintonistas perceive as their long-“deserved” payback for Hillary’s loss to Obama in 2008.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:02 amThat is an interesting report, red. Looks like the Clintons use charities fraudulently just like Trump did with the veterans. We have a clear choice between a candidate who commits charity fraud and a candidate who commits charity fraud.
Patterico (94a8a0) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:04 amMr happyfeet, Hillary lived in the White House for 8 years. She was a Senator for 8 years. She was Secretary of State for 4 years.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:04 amYou Trumpkins sound like sports fans who refuse to acknowledge that the player on their team just committed a foul, even though half the country just viewed the foul on instant replay on television.
no the Clinton Global Criminal Cartel sold out America’s interests to the highest bidder
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
it’s a totally different breed of fish kettles
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:07 amThe Donald’s continuing success in life confirms that money hides a lot of incompetence –
askeptic (efcf22) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:10 amthe more money you have the longer and greater can be that level of incompetence.
Good allah, Vishnu and pazuzu!
narciso (1b4366) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:12 ammeanwhile Mitt Romney’s thinking hey maybe i should head up a third party ticket
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:13 amBeldar,
I believe that the culture has been so corrupted that many people assume everyone lies, at least among politicians,
some just get caught more than others,
I felt that way until Gore/Bush,
When I took a stand against supporting pathological liars
I still hold out hope that there are some who don’t willfully deceive
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:13 amI think Bush was pretty honest, just wrong and naive about too many things.
when I’m naive i accidentally buy a bottle of fiddy ghetto vodka thinking it looks new and fun
when a bush klanster is naive hundreds of thousands of people are senselessly slaughtered to the tune of an impossibly large sum of money borrowed from the chinesers
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:16 am#31 Mr happyfeet,
Isn’t it true that The Mr Trump ran for a third party ticket in 2000?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:18 am(Doh!)
#31 Mr happyfeet is best read in juxtaposition with #29 Mr. askeptic
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:19 amHoagie,
I’m going to explain at least my thinking here. I told you all along this is not going to be a site where the blog host promotes Trump as a better alternative than Hillary. (I don’t tell the guest bloggers what to post and don’t presume to speak for them, so I can’t rule out that opinion being expressed in the posts ever; it’s simply not my view. I think in general they agree.) What I think is important is figuring out what to do next. An important first step in that process is recognizing that Trump is not an acceptable alternative, and that the GOP has so failed us as regards the Oval Office that we must turn our energies elsewhere. For some, it may be preserving GOP majorities in Congress; for some, it may be a third-party alternative; for some, it may be Article V; and there are many other possibilities. But I will continue to point out when events make clear that we have no meaningful choice, because my object is not to prevent Hillary from getting elected, it is to seek a process that offers a viable alternative, whether it be this election cycle or the next; though the GOP or outside it.
Patterico (95f2fb) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:22 amthis process offered a lot of viable alternatives
Mr. Trump won
he ran a better campaign than Mr. Cruz who self-destructed in Indiana by yammering about pedophile trannies in the bathroom
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:27 amIf Romney runs third party, I’ll not vote for him. He is not a small-government conservative and he could not possibly win. At this point the key thing is to identify our principles and rally around those principles to draw a marked contrast with Trump. A different flavor of big-government conservative is not the way, even if he’s a nice guy and would be way better than Trump. Defining the split as between Trumpers and Romneyites really misrepresents the nature of this schism.
Patterico (95f2fb) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:27 am(Mr. Trump yammered about lost jobs)
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:29 amDefining the split as between Trumpers and Romneyites really misrepresents the nature of this schism.
two things
one thing is that let’s be real. Americans aren’t hyper-ideological to the extent that you want them to be. And certainly not to the extent Mr. Cruz was counting on them to be. This is just a thing about America.
What we’ve seen wasn’t an ideological schism it was a class one – real Americans vs. the harvardtrash elite ruling class. Think Ted Cruz. Think Mitt Romney. Think Ben Sasse. Real Americans won and I congratulate them on their victory.
OK so that’s one thing.
another thing is let’s think about what propelled food stamp. After the bush fiasco a lot of people wanted to be FOR something again, and to have a respite from wallowing in fear and loathing of failmerica’s oppressive and sleazy white house…
and so they glommed onto food stamp’s vapid harvardtrash marketings in that spirit… Now eight years later it’s not the ideological pendulum what’s swung, it’s just that a vast swath of *other* people want to be for something again, who do not want to wallow in fear and loathing of failmerica’s oppressive and sleazy white house. And this is what Mr. Trump is tapping into.
For people what want limited government and individual liberty (which does not include social conservatives), the only way out is through. There’s no panacea there’s no magic beans. The only way out is through.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:41 amThings are so bad that I muse (yea, rather morbidly) about one of the presumably upcoming debates with Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton being held in a conference room that’s hit by a huge tsunami. Such a scenario is sort of in keeping with goofy prognostications from certain so-called psychics going back several years that Obama will be the US’s last, final president. Then again, it does seem as each day goes by, socio-political-economic trends take on an increasingly unpleasant Twilight-Zone-ish pathos.
Mark (b2a63a) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:48 amPatterico (95f2fb) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:22 am
Well, there is this
askeptic (efcf22) — 5/8/2016 @ 11:59 am.
We initially needed to support Trump because he was the true conservative who would take on the bastard RINOs and liars. Kick out those phonies and frauds! The establishment compromisers must go.
Now we need to recognize it’s a post-ideological world and vote for him since he’s the best candidate in that environment. If he has to made deals with the liberals, well that’s the way it goes.
Yesterday compromise was treason; today it’s reality.
They can argue it round or they can argue it square.
Just like he can.
SteveMG (d13315) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:04 pmSo what is it that Trumpers are for exactly – other than Trump? Or is that what you mean – for Trump?
Arguments that Trumpers make, on this site at least, have a consistent characteristic, in that they either argue for something most people here oppose, such as protectionism, or there is no logical argument for Trump at all. It’s all fact free story telling, which is what your stuff is. Or in ropelight’s case, he kept emphasizing that Trump was the front runner. Other than that, it was Cruz is ineligible, his father was involved in Kennedy’s assassination.
Total lie, or perhaps evidence of some extremely delusional aspect in your thinking. Individual liberty is what’s under a heavy assault from social liberals like you.
Some kind of cognitive dissonance going on, where you trash both “the harvardtrash elite ruling class” and social conservatives continually. There’s hardly any overlap between those two groups.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:07 pmMr. A please to point to me the fruits of the silly alliance conservatives made with the toxic so-cons
i don’t see that they have much to show for it
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:11 pmNo, feets
60% or so of Americans have lost,
and those are just the ones who voted in Republican primaries.
Nobody has won,
Trump has so far lost less than any one candidate.
And it is still May.
I may end up voting for Trump if it is him or HRC,
Simply on the hope that the devil I don’t know will not be as bad as the one I know.
There are not enough years between now and November for Trump to give evidence that he is anything but what he has been,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:13 pmA dealmaker who breaks the deals at his pleasure for his own gain.
Mr. Trump is the most genuinely American candidate any party offered this year,
He is who we are.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:14 pmHe certainly has a lot in common with you, Mr. Feet.
Simon Jester (7e2686) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:19 pmThat’s kinda true and kinda not true, MD in Philly. Trump was a questionable but successful businessman but he was obviously a good father. So he very well may be a lousy confused candidate yet be an entirely lucid President. He seems to be many things. Not all of them bad. Unlike Hillary who is evil to the bone!
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:27 pmyes yes he sees what i see for sure Mr. Jester
that for the first post-food stamp presidency there are two things what apply
#1 the bar’s not set too high
#2 lots of low-hanging fruit to pick
If ever there was a time America could afford a populist pooper, the time is now. And me I plan to enjoy it.
So so sick of food stamp. So so sick of how he rapes everything.
An evil p.o.s., Barack Obama is. But his day draws to a close.
And that is so effing cool.
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:27 pmIf he is who we are,
We certainly deserve whatever sh*t hits the fan.
Fools, fools for thinking Trump is anything other than a bit better than drinking the hemlock,
and you don’t even know how much better,
if really at all.
Though the death of 60 million innocents is just so much dam*able immature trash.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:30 pmTo you,hf, that is.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:31 pmYa lost me. What 60 million innocents?
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:32 pmmelodrama poopy-llama who’s your mama now
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:32 pmLike I said, so much in common with Trump.
Drunken graffiti on someone else’s wall that you claim is great art.
Simon Jester (7e2686) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:33 pmyou’re getting fixated again I thought we were past that
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:36 pmChildren can turn out well in spite of their fathers , I’ve seen it.
He has repeatedly profited unjustly while others took the hit,
He repeatedly broke sacred vows so he could “get **”- his words,
(emphasis on repeatedly in both cases)
He is crude, slanderous, deceitful,
And in spite of all of that
Has never found a reason to ask God’s forgiveness for anything.
The only reason to vote for him is that he is not HRC.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:37 pmGot to go.
You guys are killing me. I can’t follow what you’re saying with the “60 million innocents”, the “poopy-llama” and the “drunken graffiti”. I’m not a sophisticated guy so you can’t talk in tongues or parables if you want me to understand. Yesterday nk was throwing German at me for crap sake.
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:38 pmThose icky fetus thingies that idiot trailer trash Christians whine about, Hoagie.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:39 pmMr. Trump’s sins
set against those of pee-stank and food stamp?
one doesn’t need a moral compass to navigate this
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:40 pmAnd yet in thousands of ghettos throughout the fruited plain fatherless children and children with horrible fathers kill people all day. Children need good fathers.
Again, how many times will you all rehash how Trump is crude, deceitful etc, etc, etc? Get over it already. We were dealt a pair of nine’s let’s continue the game and draw three cards.
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:46 pmNo, I will never ignore the fact that Trump is a disgraceful candidate,
Because He is.
If it is between him and a “typical” Democrat come that Tuesday in November, I will vote for Trump because he is not D
But for no other reason
You shall know them by their fruit
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:53 pmHe is responsible for not keeping his word in major commitments over and over again
He is not to be trusted to keep any in the future
Until he demonstrates he can.
Hoagie asked (#61):
Every time that Trump is the subject of discussion, I’m obliged to “rehash” how crude, deceitful, etc., etc., etc. he is. He hasn’t changed. Why should his critics stop being critical?
I won’t. Nor do I have patience for being lectured as if I have some obligation to support Donald Trump now. I don’t.
I intend to spend less time talking about Trump between now and November than I did before Cruz suspended his campaign. But that doesn’t mean I will ever have a good word to say for Trump himself. When and if he ever actually performs some action that I approve of, I will acknowledge that specific point. So far, though, he’s batting exactly 0.000.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/8/2016 @ 12:57 pmMr. Feet, you want the right to post your bizarre nastiness whenever you want. And you do. You have that right so long as Patterico agrees.
By the same token, I have the right to call you on your dishonest and lazy vulgar hypocrisy whenever I wish.
It’s up to you.
Note that when you weren’t a offensive jackwagon, I didn’t treat you as one.
I think you just want to say whatever you like without accountability.
Very much like Trump.
Simon Jester (125d51) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:14 pmVirtually no conservative Republican, including economic conservatives, would ever win without heavy social conservative support.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:16 pmyou can ignore the Trump voters oh yes you can
you can ignore them all
filthy trump voters yuck yuck yuck
but it’s the disdain of the lord to the serf
it’s the haughty lady’s scorn for the barista who forgot she wanted soy
it’s the ivy league distaste for rotty state u trash
and it’s deeply unamerican
their mama told them to pick the very best one but they were naughty and
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:21 pmyou can ignore the Trump voters oh yes you can
you can ignore them all
filthy trump voters yuck yuck yuck
but it’s the disdain of the lord to the serf
it’s the haughty lady’s scorn for the barista who forgot she wanted soy
it’s the ivy league distaste for rotty state u trash
and it’s deeply unamerican
In the first place, it’s not un-American. It’s very much American. Americans value quality and disdain trash.
And in the second place, Americans value quality and disdain trash.
Moreover, Americans value quality and disdain trash.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:28 pmfailmericans elected an evil trashy food stamp slut not once but twice not once but twice
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:30 pmHe went to Harvard; he has better hair than Trump; and the fact that he’s still alive proves that he never stepped out on Michelle.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:33 pmLet’s see.
About Marco Rubio we had leaks about Marco Rubio meeting (or talking privately) with him, although not necessarily wanting to consider being vice president. I did not believe anything about vice presiodent, but I wondered what Marco Rubio was doing – maybe trying to sound out Donald Trump – and still wondered at that. But it just wasn’t clear what was supposed to have happened, and I awaited further developments.
Here is Trump seeming to confirm they talked: (I didn’t find the actual Fox transcript on the Fox website quickly)
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/donald-trump-marco-rubio-has-been-very-supportive/2276150
There is not an exact contradiction coming from the Rubio people..
http://therightscoop.com/rubio-staffers-say-trump-is-lying-that-marco-called-him-was-supportive-of-the-donald/
I thought at first that maybe it could be that Trump called him, and he took his call(s)
But it looks more like it depends on the menaing of the word “recently”
Trump is not exactly claiming he talked with Rubio after, say, the New York primary. Nor is he claiming the really nice things Rubio said were after he dropped out. Maybe they were a couple of years ago.
And you notice here, Donald Trump did not repeat the word “recent” or confirms he talked after March 15.
He filibusters a bit but never actually confirms that he had “several” conversations “recently”
The conversations were before the primaries started.
Trump is using Clintonian parsing.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:37 pmbut he’s evil and he’s hurt the people Mr. nk
he’s raped and he’s murdered
and he’s gloated and he’s preened
Mr. Trump’s flaws are but a pale shadow
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:38 pmAbout Ryan calling him, there is a possibility he was hoaxed, maybe even by some of the people working for him. This is not even Clintonian parsing. They talked in March. Maybe Trump thinks that March is was “three weeks ago”
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-may-8-2016-n570111
Here is what Ryan’s people say:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/07/paul-ryan-aide-disputes-donald-trump-claim-that-ryan-called-him-after-new-york-primary/
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 5/8/2016 @ 1:44 pm#BetterThenHillary
That’s some winning strategy there, trumpbots.
Eric in Hollywood (fd132a) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:13 pmLet’s keep in mind the difference between making something up and lying.
Lying is making something up that attempts to make you look good, or get you out of trouble.
It’s childish.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:15 pmHmmm…
Nothing worse than someone disdaining the serfs, I quite agree.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/28/news/trump-apartment-tenants/
Now, I know that Trump supporters (and I respect the polite ones, just not short fingered vulgarian trolls) will want to explain that away. Trolls will put their fingers in their ears and forget where punctuation keys are located.
But this is just the tip of the iceberg. HRC is so happy about this support for Trump. Ecstatic. Because the opposition file is, to borrow a term, yuge.
There is so much that Trump supporters will need to…support… that is the antithesis of the things they claim they believe in.
Sigh. Trump only cares about Trump. Period. Full stop.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:22 pmMr. Trump understands what rent control does to the availability and quality of housing stock.
Pee-stank does not.
advantage: Mr. The Donald
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:25 pmThat is an awesome name for a rock band: The Vulgarians
Colonel Haiku (23a40e) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:27 pmthis is me on drums
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:27 pmDId you actually read the article, Mr. Feet?
You simply prove my point.
Seriously, Trump could kick you in the ass and you would call it his attempt to relieve your lower back pain.
Good little butt-snuffler.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:29 pmTales of TVs thrown out of motel windows and mud shark schtupping…
Colonel Haiku (23a40e) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:31 pmNo, Hoagie, Trump is a 2, 7 off-suit, and the colors don’t even match. He’s worse than bull feces, because he isn’t even good for fertilizer.
John Hitchcock (a0bb6f) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:32 pmLogic tells us that if the Witless Ape were really the bees knees, we wouldn’t have to wade through 300+ comment threads, populated largely by his defenders.
Eric in Hollywood (fd132a) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:33 pm“Trump was a questionable but successful businessman but he was obviously a good father. ”
Hoagie – there is no evidence of this. If the quotes attributed to him are true, there is a lot of evidence to the contrary.
JD (fa1259) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:35 pmI’ve been reading about the recent mayoral election in London and how certain Tories (or the UK’s version of the US’s Republican Party) are beating up their party’s candidate for pointing out the Labor Party (or the UK’s version of the US’s Democrat Party) candidate’s background as a Muslim and history of affiliation with Islamic radicals. A candidate who said a few years ago that moderate Muslims were an “Uncle Tom.”
Both the left and portions of the right in Britain are criticizing the Tory candidate’s campaign for borrowing a tactic from Donald Trump, even when such an approach is totally valid, as was the case of a public figure striving to be London’s mayor who has defended Islamic radicals and leftwing extremists in British courtrooms. So in a situation across the Atlantic, even where the dysfunction and dishonesty of Trump and Hillary aren’t applicable or don’t necessarily even exist, the force of political correctness still worms its way into the scene.
But it’s good the UK’s squishy prime minister, David Cameron, who’s also head of the Tories, is currently refuting the postmortem criticism of his party’s mayoral candidate, even though that same PM denounced Trump’s stance on immigration several weeks ago. But if Cameron were pressured enough, he’d probably change his tune by bowing his head and saying “As-salamu alaykum.”
Mark (b2a63a) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:41 pmHis children seem to have turned out okay JD. That’s all I meant. I realize in todays world as the left has created it one can never denounce whomever the target is enough, often enough or personally enough so I apologize for saying one good thing about a man, and now his entire family with no redeeming qualities. I renounce myself.
BTW Eric in Hollywood (you really shouldn’t advertise that), comments here run ten to one against Trump as all but about three usual commenters are for Cruz.
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:46 pmThat is meaningless, Hoagie. Thousands upon thousands have succeeded while having a jackwagon for a father. Do you deny that is the quotes about parenting attributed to him are in fact true, that he was objectively not a good father?
JD (fa1259) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:54 pm22 of 85 comments come from hf
1 comment from ropelight
1 comment from mg
That makes 24 of 85 comments from Trump worshipers. Hardly the 1 in 10 you were saying, Hoagie.
John Hitchcock (a0bb6f) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:57 pmnot a lazy sunday at casa hitchcock no sir
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 2:59 pmHoagie and JD: you both make good points. I have indeed seen awful, awful people have wonderful children. And the reverse. I suspect that DJT was less of a jerk as he got older (I know that was true for me).
But some of the things Trump has said about fatherhood are pretty awful. Let’s review:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/donald-trump-thinks-men-who-change-diapers-are-acting-like-t?utm_term=.jp1GzrO4R#.apAw0vzE3
and
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3528887/Donald-Trump-talks-infant-daughter-Tiffany-s-breasts-uncovered-interview-1994.html
On the other hand:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434142/donald-trump-good-father
So, is it performance art or reality? I’m guessing the latter, but it’s only a guess.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:08 pmYou do realize that Trump is the Republic Party candidate, right?
He won the primary, he is the candidate. All these arguments against him are too late. It’s a little bit silly to keep arguing after you’ve lost.
fred-2 (ce04f3) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:12 pmsome of Ronald Reagan’s kids were a whole lot harder on him than anything we’ve heard from Mr. Trump’s kids that’s for sure
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:14 pmWhether a candidate has been a responsible child, or sibling, or spouse, or parent — these are all fair grist for the mill, if incredibly subjective judgments.
But Trump’s performance, good or bad, in any of these roles is nowhere on the list of my top 200 objections to him.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:18 pmJD, I have already denounced myself. Is that not enough in the new post-Trump leftist world? Should I commit seppuku? Go into exile? You are like many people lately, JD. You’re full of hate for Trump and your mind has snapped shut to the point where if someone utters a complement in Trump’s direction then he too becomes the enemy.
I am not a lawyer and unlike lawyers I don’t require evidence real or created to frame the accused. I’m on a blog not in court. I forward my observations, hunches, ideas, and thoughts but no hard evidence. And I just don’t hate Trump enough to be enthusiastic about running around gathering evidence to portray him as the end-all of evil even toward his kids. Once again I renounce myself.
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:23 pm@ fred-2 (#90), who wrote:
That depends. If the topic under discussion is whether Trump’s the presumptive nominee, you’re correct — he is. Whether he’ll actually become the nominee is still to be seen, but for purposes of argument, let’s assume that’s also been decided.
Those are two topics out of thousands which are worth discussion. I’ve never agreed with any GOP nominee on everything; I’ve never felt obliged to stop thinking out loud or writing or conversing on any GOP nominee’s flaws. Ditto GOP presidents.
This isn’t Nazi Germany, and we’ve not sworn a personal loyalty oath to Herr Drumpf. I find your argument unpersuasive and will not follow your suggestion.
Beldar (fa637a) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:25 pmHe didn’t win it yet fred-2, even though it’s basically a formality. But you’re right we should have better things to do than go over, and over, and over about how much an SOB the guy is. When saying I think the guys a good father is like throwing chum in a shark tank you really need to step back and decide if it’s angst or psychosis.
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:29 pmFred-2,
You do realize that several of us don’t care that he’s the Republican candidate, don’t you?
Since we’re making sure people Realize Things today.
Patterico (94a8a0) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:32 pmYou do realize that several of us don’t care that he’s the Republican candidate, don’t you?
that’s a lil too high-concept for me there
he’s the only one that can stop her
we need him to be our salvation cause there’s nobody else coming to save us
nobody
i’ve never been this terrified i’ve never felt so helpless
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:40 pmLet’s be very clear here: Trump claims he wants to be President of the United States.
A serious candidate would start being…serious…about all manner of things.
Instead, look at the history of his commentary. He comes across as a blowhard with no fixed beliefs, all slogans and no details.
Now, if the goal is to give the middle finger to the RNC, good job. Mission accomplished.
But if you want to be President: start talking policy. And if everything is negotiable, how about this: what is NOT negotiable?
Given all of Trump’s negatives, he could start actually changing hearts and minds.
That isn’t something that is given. It’s earned.
Do you think it likely? I don’t…based on decades of his bizarre antics.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:42 pmfood stamp never earned anything
pee-stank neither
filthmericans just hand their sleazy presidency out like halloween candy they got on sale at tranny target
but Mr. Trump has to jump through hoops
whatever
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:46 pmshirley, you can’t be serious, pause, we know red queen’s part in fast and furious, the salafi spring, the peregruska, the iraq pullout, how much more proof of melisandre’s evil do you need, lets just give her more up an opportunity, you know I wanted to know how ‘come nineveh
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:46 pmcome tyre, would happen in a modern context.
Ah, Mr. Feet: you sure talk all strong and tough for someone who hasn’t voted in…how many of the last elections?
It kind of makes people find you fundamentally unserious.
That and the weird vulgar crap.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:50 pmMr. Jester if you worried more about what pee-stank gonna do on you and less about my comments, you’d be much much more worried about what pee-stank gonna do on you
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:52 pmWell, Mr. Feet, if you worried more about voting and changing minds instead of calling people names, maybe HRC wouldn’t win. But it looks like that’s unlikely. That’s why we supported Cruz, who actually had, God help us, policies instead discussing the length of his wedding tackle and coming up with weird names for people.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
See how that works? I don’t like you posting your turdlets, and you don’t like me calling you on it.
Who will win?
The difference is, I also make comments that aren’t vulgar and weird. You?
Oh, and I vote in every election.
Just sayin’.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/8/2016 @ 3:57 pmoh good good rock that vote Mr. Jester
just please please don’t rock it for that smelly old criminal woman
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:02 pmit’s the christian slater pose maybe from heathers, you do recall where citizens united came from dontcha, david bossie wanted to air a film, about red queen, in the 60 day window, she said off with his head, and game set match, thanks alot maverick for handing them that sword,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:06 pmOne of these days, Mr. Feet, I will get you to make positive and genuine contributions to discussion.
The kinds of things that win people more to your cause, not make them shake their heads and decide they don’t want to frequent Patterico’s blog.
I’m a hopeful kind of guy.
It’s because I suspect, down deep, you are not as much of a jackwagon as you pose.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:06 pmthank you
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:07 pmas to the particulars,
https://storify.com/rumpfshaker/some-facts-about-rubio-s-immigration-positions
so yeah trust her anonymous sources,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:10 pmjohn schindler doesn’t like anybody, cruz, trump, or red queen,
http://observer.com/2016/04/panama-papers-reveal-clintons-kremlin-connection/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:13 pmhonestly I don’t know what to tell you anymore,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/270476-obamas-last-act-is-to-force-the-suburbs-to-be-less-wealthy-and-less-white/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:16 pmMr happyfeet, if you were really worried about what pee-stank is gonna do on you, you would gonna go vote against her. But you won’t. And that’s kind of pee-stanky.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:20 pmFred – care to tell me what are acceptable topics of discussion?
JD (7fd277) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:40 pmall the candidates have dropped out, hence the contest is over, I thought that was clear, I was nonplussed about him, but thats the breaks,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 4:45 pmPaul Ryan has a spokesman? A spokesman known only to the New York Freaking Times. That adds several layers of plausible deniability, along which at any given level they could and are likely to lie their farking icesholes off.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/8/2016 @ 5:02 pmOn the democrat side, here in Philly they want to put a new tax on sugar. Seriously, the democrats have sucked all the money out of the people with about 1200 taxes so now they want a three cent per ounce tax on any beverage that contains sugar. Sodas, juices, energy drinks, flavored milk any item with sugar. So a 32oz. Sprite that costs $1.79 will now cost $2.75 and a gallon of chocolate milk that is $2.99 will be $6.83. First of all anyone with a car will go 2 miles and shop thus killing the local groceries. Secondly it’s anther “poor” tax imposed on people least able to pay. While the yuppies in the gentrified areas of Society Hill, Queens Village and Northern Liberties suck down their imported water and diet fruit juices the urban black and Hispanics in West Philly and North Philly will shell out to the democrat bosses. And yet those same people will continue to vote 105% (I’m not kidding some black wards went 105% for Obama) for the democrats that screw them at every opportunity.
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 5:09 pmThe other Republicans have suspended their campaigns,
That does not mean they can’t be voted for,
And if few show up to vote for Trump, maybe that will send a message
Maybe “they” will get too eager and start the antiTrump coverage
Abuse of eminent domain as a big shot wealthy developer,
drop 5%
Subject of hundreds of pending civil suits,
drop another 5%
Ads with workers laid off by Trump bankruptcies
another 5%
Ads with Trump foreign workers…
You get the idea
Trump is the worst candidate for president since HRC.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 5:11 pmpapertiger,
Paul Ryan is the first Speaker of the House to ever employ a spokesman?! (LOL) You Trumpkins are silly.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 5:38 pmALL THE POLITICAL EXPERTS MISSED IT, BUT NOT THIS GUY: As Trump Coasts to the Nomination, Remember That the Cartoonist Behind Dilbert Saw It All Coming. Scott Adams also predicts Trump will beat Hillary Clinton in “a landslide.” “Why did Adams believe, against all conventional wisdom, that Trump would win? His prediction had little to do with the mood of the electorate, the weak and fractured Republican field, or the issue of immigration. Instead, argues Adams, Trump’s success in the election is due almost entirely to his skill as a ‘master persuader.’ On the other hand, Adams believes that Hillary Clinton and her team are remarkably unskilled in the art of persuasion and points out that their first anti-Trump ad simply highlights Trump’s anti-establishment qualities. . . . It’s a wild hypothesis that runs contrary to the conventional wisdom about how elections, and human beings, work. But then again, with Trump positioned as the Republican’s presumptive nominee while Hillary Clinton still struggles to lock up the Democratic nomination against a candidate almost nobody expected to compete, note how far conventional wisdom has gotten us this election season.”
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/233298/
Colonel Haiku (ad804b) — 5/8/2016 @ 5:45 pmhow does that who song go again:
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/john-boehner-brendan-buck-ahip-vice-president-106573
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 5:46 pmNaw. I saw a 60 Minutes spot on Paul Ryan during his beard faze.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/8/2016 @ 5:47 pmHe doesn’t have a residence in DC. At least he didn’t have one then. He sleeps in his office. So I figure times must be tight for congressman Ryan. A liaison imbedded with the New York Times might be a luxury to forego.
MEANWHILE, ABOARD THE USS CONSERVATISM:
“SCOTTY, WE’RE LOSING POWER! GO TO AUXILLARY REAGAN! WE NEED MORE REAGAN!”
“CAPTAIN, I CANNANUT DEW IT!! THE FALWELL FAIRINGS ARE FAILING, THE BUCKLEY BULKHEADS ARE BUCKLING AND THE GIPPER CRYSTALS… ARE DEAD!”
DCSCA (a343d5) — 5/8/2016 @ 5:53 pmhillary doesn’t have the slightest clue what a dilbert is i bet
happyfeet (831175) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:21 pmI read that his beard phase is yearly in the fall during deer season,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:28 pmIt’s just that until last year he wasn’t in the spotlight for anyone to take note of it.
papertiger,
If Ryan had a nice house in Georgetown, you’d be accusing him of living high on the hog.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:31 pmnote mr buck is a boehner legacy. after a stint lobbying for the health insurers who sold out to roberstscare.
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:33 pmHere’s a picture of Melania without anything on from her wrists to her ankles. Do those shoes count as thongs? http://gq-images.condecdn.net/image/xre9XV9B6kg/crop/1620
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:33 pmyou seem to have matthews fixation, nk,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:38 pmyour mind has snapped shut to the point where if someone utters a complement in Trump’s direction then he too becomes the enemy.
That I don’t have a problem with if such people are staunch conservatives. It’s the people reacting as you’ve described who, at the same time, have shown a bit of tenderness towards Hillary that I have major suspicions about. More interesting is when a subset of that same group expresses, or has expressed, in general softness towards certain liberal politicians or certain liberal policies.
Forgetting the glaring defects of Trump, most of the very prominent opposition to him at this time originates from the left — including visible public protests and publicized comments from various well-known people in Hollywood, New York, Europe, etc — or the New-World-Order crowd (eg, the Saudis, Chinese, the UK’s prime minister) — and is directed not at his liberalism or even his dishonesty but at his rhetoric on major controversies that can be deemed as tilting right.
Truly reliable conservatives have every reason to doubt Trump or be very wary of him. As for people who are squishy or tilt left? Naw. As far as I’m concerned, their bus left the terminal eight or more years ago.
Mark (b2a63a) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:49 pmmatthews fixation?
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:53 pmIs that something like agreeing that “an obviously good father” dumps your mother for a chippie 25 years younger? Two chippies, actually. Obvious chippies.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:57 pmdo I have to footnote everythin,
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/05/06/chris-matthews-caught-on-camera-commenting-on-melania-trumps-runway-walk.html
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 6:59 pm125… My wife caught me sneaking a look at that, thanks a lot…PAL!
Colonel Haiku (7f045b) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:01 pmWelsh was an attorney who’d been blogging for over 10 years.
ropelight (697bc5) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:01 pmcome on, coronello, you couldn’t read between the lines,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:03 pmHoagie – Hildabeast endorsed something very similar, if not the same.
JD (fa1259) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:05 pmropelight can’t resist things that add to his conspiracy theories
JD (fa1259) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:06 pmCaesar’s wife must not only be good but she must also appear to be good.
You know how we keep saying that Trump is a parody of a Republican? That he talks like someone who is not a Republican thinks Republicans should talk?
Well, Melania looks to me like a parody of a model. Like someone who is not a model poses herself the way she thinks a model should pose.
And I want to remind you all who your First Lady might be. The Presidency is iconic. Or supposed to be, anyway.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:07 pm122… Yeah… deer “hunters” in Wisconsin, Texas, Ohio, and I’m sure many other places climb a tree, set up a “hidey-hide” and wait like some kind of VC sniper to ambush teh deer. Some huntin’.
Colonel Haiku (7f045b) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:07 pmHighty High hey, hey… whole darned world feelin’ that way… sorry… just a little Lee Michaels on the stereo.
Colonel Haiku (7f045b) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:11 pmcommenting-on-melania-trumps-runway-walk.html
Forgetting politics or ideology, I felt Ted Cruz was at a disadvantage for purely visceral reasons, meaning he didn’t have the advantage of two major traits (ie, face and voice) that a public figure depends upon for charisma. Which leads to…
If Melania ever became a full-time occupant of the White House, she’d be the hottest in its history.
Mark (b2a63a) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:13 pmThat’s what most hunting is like. But if you want to dress in a deer-hide with antlers on your head and sneak up on herd of deer with a spear the way the Indians supposedly did it, you’re welcome to.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:15 pm#137 Colonel,
Not only that, but they wear the human scent repellant, and they put a feeder out there, too. And then they pose for a photo with their kill. Pabst beer is often part of the proceedings as well—but the deer never get any!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:16 pmJaysus… just imagine Eleanor Roosevelt rollin’ in her grave, just dyin’ for a slice o’ that… no, wait…
Colonel Haiku (7f045b) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:17 pmI don’t think that baiting is allowed in Wisconsin. A King of the Hill episode showed that it’s allowed in Texas for cartoon deer.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:19 pmNo, nk, the only time I went hunting for deer, it was in the Wasatch Mountains and we had a young Navajo man – Notah Tahey – with us and the deer actually had a good chance to escape from everyone but him. That boy knew how to hunt.
Colonel Haiku (7f045b) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:22 pmwhen the knives come out, no one spares you,
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/05/jemima-khan-distances-herself-from-her-brothers-mayoral-bid-sad-that-zacs-campaign-did-not-reflect-who-i-know-him-to-be/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:23 pmAnd he just dressed warm, set out on the trail, took care of business and headed back to camp to dress his deer while we were still hiking and grousing about how we’d never been that cold before.
Colonel Haiku (7f045b) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:26 pmjust leaving this here, snorfle,
http://www.weaselzippers.us/270415-mccain-on-trump-foolish-to-ignore-will-of-gop-voters/
so you you what toad the wet sprocket, how only fox even glanced at the rhodes roadshow on iran,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:31 pmWhen we returned to camp, we found he’d buried some Greek bastard up to his chin that he’d found molesting his still warm deer. We got there right before he started pouring honey on the Greek’s head for the old fire ant treatment and we saved that Greek perv’s sorry ass.
Colonel Haiku (7f045b) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:31 pmTo take the creature by surprise
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:37 pmWe must adopt some rude disguise,
Although deceit is never sweet,
And falsehoods don’t attract us;
So, as with gun in hand you wait,
Remember to impersonate
A tuft of grass, a mountain-pass,
A kopje or a cactus.
You’ve got a Greek fixation, Haiku. You should have a heart-to-heart with Milo Yiannopoulos. He is apparently arousing but not satisfying some urge in you.
Or is it an age thing, like with Anthony Kennedy? And he’s from California, also. Hmm.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:40 pmwell I would presume that, they were the first democracy for good, and ill, thucydides was a good propagandist to cover up the shortfall of pericles opening, the richard clarke of the 5th century
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 7:45 pmDemocracy. A little while later the Athenian Assembly sentenced Socrates to death.
A couple of centuries later, Cicero had the Catiline conspirators tried by the Senate instead of the courts. Then Octavian’s Senate, at Mark Anthony’s urging, sentenced him to death.
Now, a relative handful of petite bourgeoisie may have sentenced the GOP and possibly the institution of the Presidency to death.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:14 pmwell that can get you in trouble,
According to Plato’s Apology, Socrates’ life as the “gadfly” of Athens began when his friend Chaerephon asked the oracle at Delphi if anyone were wiser than Socrates; the Oracle responded that no-one was wiser. Socrates believed the Oracle’s response was a paradox, because he believed he possessed no wisdom whatsoever. He proceeded to test the riddle by approaching men considered wise by the people of Athens—statesmen, poets, and artisans—in order to refute the Oracle’s pronouncement. Questioning them, however, Socrates concluded: while each man thought he knew a great deal and was wise, in fact they knew very little and were not wise at all. Socrates realized the Oracle was correct; while so-called wise men thought themselves wise and yet were not, he himself knew he was not wise at all, which, paradoxically, made him the wiser one since he was the only person aware of his own ignorance. Socrates’ paradoxical wisdom made the prominent Athenians he publicly questioned look foolish, turning them against him and leading to accusations of wrongdoing. Socrates defended his role as a gadfly until the end: at his trial, when Socrates was asked to propose his own punishment, he suggested a wage paid by the government and free dinners for the rest of his life instead, to finance the time he spent as Athens’ benefactor.[53] He was, nevertheless, found guilty of both corrupting the minds of the youth of Athens and of impiety (“not believing in the gods of the state”),[54] and subsequently sentenced to death by drinking a mixture containing poison hemlock.[55][56][57][58]
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:19 pmbtw, the new bernie gunther is not as grim as the last trip through yugoslavia,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:21 pmsteven saylor put in a good word for sulla, in roman spring who he thought did the heavy lifting, but was credited to marius,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:27 pmfree dinners for the rest of his life
At the Parasition. (Yes, it is the origin of that word.) The first public soup kitchen and almost mandatory. Athenians were “encouraged” to the point of civil obligation to eat there at least once a week to promote community. People who ate there every day, though, were frowned upon as moochers.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:28 pmA shout out to nk, who can take a ribbin’ with the best of ’em!
Colonel Haiku (1ebff3) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:29 pmI didn’t say “an obviously good husband” did I, nk?
Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:33 pmI gave up on Bernie Gunther with the first page of the one where he has a naked prostitute sitting on Graham Greene’s lap. On the first page. I don’t need to read stuff like that. No mas.
At least Jim Butcher had the grace to put the obligatory bedroom role play scenario for the Nielsen-Haydens in a vignette at the very end in Ghost Story, which is the last Dresden book I plan to read too.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:35 pmwell he’s more subtle in this one, he’s not a monk but still, but there is the somerset maugham angle, sort of like big lebowski,
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:39 pmHoagie, I know how hard it is to raise parents (sic). I suppose only his kids can say whether he is a good father.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 8:55 pmthey have no standards,
http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/262767/ny-times-hires-anti-israel-activist-who-blamed-daniel-greenfield#.Vy9vQOdrdzc.facebook
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:13 pmprobably fits on the previous thread,
http://www.israellycool.com/2016/05/08/the-perfidious-british-museum-jewish-history-denial/
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:18 pma bit of overlap with my own contribution,
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/05/an_epiphany_on_the_road_to_tehran.html
narciso (732bc0) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:20 pmOn the democrat side, here in Philly they want to put a new tax on sugar.
I’ve often said that staunch liberals throughout America should be given a one-way ticket to an ultra-blue wonderland like Detroit, Michigan, where at least 90-plus percent of their neighbors will think and vote the way they do. I now realize a better option would be sending them to this leftist nirvana, where they’ll really be able to not just talk the talk, but walk the walk:
^ The government in Venezuela’s capital city (ravaged by exploding rates of crime) is a big stickler about requiring stores and other businesses to post signs in public areas that proclaim cigarette smoking and guns are strictly forbidden.
Mark (b2a63a) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:26 pmMark, when are you moving to Singapore?
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:28 pmnk, I like your quip, but I do trust you’re fully aware that a Singapore is not a socio-economic debacle the way a Detroit or Caracas is. So making it sound like a conservative will thereby be sacrificing a lot to move to such a place isn’t exactly analogous to telling a liberal to move to Detroit or Caracas.
Moreover, Singapore isn’t as overwhelmingly rightwing the way urban America is overwhelmingly leftwing. That is, I suspect 90-plus percent of the people of Singapore aren’t blindly conservative the way 90-plus percent of the people in a place like Detroit are blindly liberal.
Mark (b2a63a) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:40 pmMark, I was sincerely suggesting that Singapore may be the only city in the world of which you would approve. Or of which you would least disapprove.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:44 pmI met a lady from Singapore one time, BTW. She was here to study our health care system with a view to improving Singapore’s. Judging from her, Singaporans are nice people.
nk (dbc370) — 5/8/2016 @ 9:48 pm