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5/6/2016

Kevin Drum: Trump’s Taco Bowl Tweet Is “Genius”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:37 am



Kevin Drum joins the “Trump is a secret genius” train:

This is not an awkward and embarrassing outreach to Hispanics. It’s not aimed at Hispanics at all. It’s aimed at white people. This is the kind of thing that Trump’s base—the white working class—views as a perfectly sincere appreciation of Mexican culture. It says, “Yes, I want a wall, and yes, I want to deport all the illegal immigrants in the country. But that doesn’t mean I hate Mexicans.” It’s basically an affirmation to Trump’s voters that they aren’t racists.

Plus it gets a ton of attention, and it also induces loads of mockery from overeducated PC liberals who don’t understand a compliment when they see one. It’s really a genius tweet.

Does everyone understand now? Trump is playing this game at a higher level than most of his critics.

Here is the “genius” tweet again:

It’s 3-D chess!

A couple of months from now, I’m guessing, Trump will be touting the National Enquirer‘s latest scoop about Hillary Clinton’s dad having gay sex with Rafael Cruz before providing Oswald the Carcano rifle used to kill JFK. Will Kevin Drum will be joining Scott Adams in telling us that is a “linguistic kill shot”?

420 Responses to “Kevin Drum: Trump’s Taco Bowl Tweet Is “Genius””

  1. May you live in stupid times.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. Nobody ever lost money by underestimating the stupidity of the American public. — Some nattering nabob of negativism.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. we talked about it at the office yesterday we thought it was brilliant too

    not least cause we talked about it at the office yesterday

    we are do marketings here btw

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  4. Let’s see,

    Trump gets another free advertising minute for eating lunch.
    Trump talks up he Trump Tower Grill, just good business.
    Trump gets everybody talking about him….again.
    Trump has launched his first positive Hispanic ad…at no cost.
    Trump got people who hate him, like Patterico to print his picture and his tweet.

    He’s no genius but he sure makes himself look like one compared to his enemies.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  5. If you get past Trump’s “personality” to the issues that he used to drive a stake into the GOP’s heart, you’ll see things that attract people like Drum.

    Both parties, through mass immigration, the export of manufacturing and back-office jobs to Asia, and targeted wage-depressing systems like H1-B, have incrementally gutted the middle class. Details here, in this still-excellent Charles Murray piece for AEI.

    When prime working-age white American-born male employment drops from 96% to 79% in two generations, people get the idea their lives are getting worse. When that decline is traceable to an elite that has walled themselves off and only communicates via ukase* the tension become unbearable.

    And then they finally have a candidate who is willing to call everyone out on these things, and not give a damn whose feelings he hurts?

    So, we have Trump. A terrible messenger with a resounding message. And one that resonates with Kevin Drum. Of course he’s trying to find the pony. Trump’s lack of conservatism is not a problem to Drum, and being a rational person he’s not too thrilled with Hillary.

    Understand that MY objections to Trump are based on his many many defects of character, and some trepidation about his real objectives, not that the message he was bringing was terribly wrong.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  6. I’d rather see Melania in a thong, personally.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. Or without the thong.

    nk (dbc370)

  8. But not in the White House.

    nk (dbc370)

  9. It looks like the tortilla bowl is over cooked, and I’d like to see some chopped tomatoes and green onion tops for garnish, plus some salsa on the side.

    ropelight (c70199)

  10. You will be granted all your wishes, nk.

    Rick Ballard (44b7ba)

  11. * In Santa Monica, a bastion of the limousine liberal, they are attempting to block the Obama-inspired and Jerry Brown-directed infill of upper-middle-class suburbs with worker housing.

    “There are too many people in Santa Monica”, they say, and want all this high-density housing somewhere else. They had no problem when these apartments were going up everywhere else (“You people need to have some diversity, doncha know?”), but when it comes to THEIR walled oasis of affluence, NFW.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  12. i love taco bowls you can get them at the venerable and charming pittsfield cafe on wabash

    that’s also the first place i ever had fried smelt my whole life (yum)

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  13. I noticed that too, ropelight. Looks over done and where are the sliced scallions? I see what looks like a dollop of salsa opposite the dollop of sour cream.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  14. also i love hispanics

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  15. “Good for thee, not me” syndrome, Kevin.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  16. tingalaaaaaayo! come little donkey come

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  17. ‘friends don’t let friends’ take kevin drum seriously, however, haven’t we seen these over reactions are for naught,

    narciso (732bc0)

  18. Kevin M, referring toy our comments in #5, I see on Drudge that over 94 million Americans are not participating in the workforce yet over 25 million foreigners are working here. All while job growth lags and growth slows. Furthermore a record number of Americans renounce citizenship and leave to get away from the taxes and regulations. And I bet if you asked they also want out of the declining moral and cultural standards like people not knowing which toilet to use or the massive influx of dangerous, non-producing immigrants.

    People wonder why Trump has a following?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  19. This tweet got Trump at least 35 more Hispanic votes.
    This tweet is kinda like standing next to a clean urinal and saying “wow look at this fantastic urinal . All of the urinals in Trump Tower are amazing. I love Hispanics!”

    steveg (fed1c9)

  20. No, no, no, it’s good. Like that “letter from a black female employee” infomercial. It’s not for smart people. Smart people are not Trump’s constituency. It’s for mouth-breathers who think “Things Go Better With Coke”.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. Stupidity is Genius…

    Just as
    “War is peace.”
    “Freedom is slavery.”
    “Ignorance is strength.”

    Torcer (f045ef)

  22. At least he didn’t say “Cinco de Cuatro” like Barack did several years ago.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  23. how did you end up with four out five indicted governors again?

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. I’ll give my as-of-yet not indicted sitting governor his temporary due today.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-donald-trump-bruce-rauner-illinois-republicans-met-0506-20160505-story.html

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  25. Canada’s Independence Day is July 1. Can’t wait to see how Team Trump trolls the Cruz family on that day.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  26. It’s not for smart people. Smart people are not Trump’s constituency

    Then who’s constituency are these supposed smart people?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  27. Hoagie,

    More pointedly, the middle-class sees jobs as being far more important than whether the State should make everyone else humor sexually-confused people. Seven-plus years of “Progressive” government and working people are worse off while the government spends all its time on virtue signalling.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  28. Wait Mother Jones has gone full Der Dump?!?!?! Either they are living up to be the 1% they really are or they have sold out thier IWW supporters to become everything that the real Mother Jones wasnt. Oh the irony of watching a “radical” magazine and its workers grovel to lock the boots of a big business robbery baron boss. Now I know it will snow in July.

    Charles (c7c4f2)

  29. 1) It reminds me of “some of my best amigos are Chicanos,si!”

    2) Isn’t that the Grey Lady sticking out of his reading pile?

    Understand that MY objections to Trump are based on his many many defects of character, and some trepidation about his real objectives

    Same here, with the added proviso that I’m not sure even he knows what his real objective are, beyond the current goal of getting himself elected.

    kishnevi (870883)

  30. 18… Preach on, Brother Hoagie! We need it!

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  31. they don’t have the tingle for red queen, perhaps if doc brown was running, but he is journolist and point and mock accordingly,

    narciso (732bc0)

  32. I thought it was pretty clearly ironic with a bonus dig at Kasich. But YMMV and not every one drinking Pabst is a hipster.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  33. 30. 2)….and a Marla Maples bikini pic from an old Enquirer or other tabloid. Catfight!!!

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  34. Beware of the smoke blown up your ass and the self-puffery. These can lead to rectal cranial impaction.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  35. De-evolution is real. Idiocracy is realer

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  36. 36.De-evolution is real. Idiocracy is realer

    And they’ve both bcome a permanent fixture of the progressive society.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  37. I thought it was pretty clearly ironic with a bonus dig at Kasich.

    You are assuming that Trump has the sense of subtle irony necessary for such a dig. That is a Yuuuuge assumption.

    kishnevi (870883)

  38. how many times, do we have to revisit ‘einstein’s maxim’

    narciso (732bc0)

  39. no, but roger stone does, and he’s really running the campaign,

    narciso (732bc0)

  40. Classic political pandering, not very clever. And under the grey lady, interestingly enough, is a picture of an ex-wife.

    http://therightscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/marla-maples-.jpg

    Ghost Rider (a9c557)

  41. Where is the Tacate? He doesn’t love Hispanics that much I guess.

    Rich (ddc02c)

  42. Trump’s sub-standard Taco bowl has me thinking. I can do better.

    This evening I’m gonna make pork chile verde, with onions, red and green peppers, and tomatillos. I’ll serve it over Spanish rice with refried black beans and a small lettuce and tomato salad on the side.

    With plenty of cold cerveza. Viva la Fiesta!

    ropelight (c70199)

  43. @kishnevi:You are assuming that Trump has the sense of subtle irony necessary for such a dig.

    On the contrary, I am failing to assume that a man who is a complete stranger to me lacks a subtle sense of irony. It’s somewhat like not confusing an actor or an author with a character.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  44. his butler probably made it, so take that into account,

    narciso (732bc0)

  45. he could have served crow, but vicente fox and nate silver weren’t coming,

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/05/feds-put-credit-card-felon-in-charge-of-major-va-purchasing-program/

    narciso (732bc0)

  46. Then who’s constituency are these supposed smart people?

    Anybody but Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. At 42, good choice. I like the Tecate-XX product line better than the Modelos brands (Corona, Modelo) because the Modelos give me the farts and the faux-angina symptoms.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  48. Mexico and its women are cursed by having the pinto bean being its dietary staple as opposed to the black bean.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  49. It’s trolling. It’s *obvious* trolling. Not a sign of genius, certainly, but he’s received exactly the reaction he almost certainly expected, for better or for worse.

    M. Scott Eiland (b97d1e)

  50. “I see on Drudge that over 94 million Americans are not participating in the workforce yet over 25 million foreigners are working here.”

    – Hoagie

    Has ropelight passed you the Drudge-torch?

    With a US population of 318 million, and approx. 23% of that population minors, 73 million of Drudge’s 93 million are accounted for. Add in another 14% for people over 65 (44 million) and Drudge’s number is more than surpassed.

    None of this is to say that no minors or seniors participate in the workforce. It’s just a reminder that Drudge and its meaningless number barf are stupid. Maybe Drudge can put up another straw poll showing that Trump is going to beat Clinton 90% to 1.2%.

    It’s also a source of continuing irony when people complain about “non-producing immigrants” taking jobs from decent Americans. Pick your poison, guys: are immigrants bad because they aren’t producing, or because you aren’t?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  51. Now that Trump has alienated conservatives, the smart thing to do is pivot left and bet there are as many desperate, gullible Democrats as there are Republicans. It’s a good bet.

    DRJ (15874d)

  52. Tweets like this appeal to both groups. Win-Win.

    DRJ (15874d)

  53. labor force participation stats are based on persons 16+

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  54. Some of those foreigners are working for Tiny Donnie. And I don’t blame him for hiring them. I’ll hire a foreigner who came to America to work over Mr. Goatee-and-RayBans who hectored Cruz in Indiana every time.

    nk (dbc370)

  55. ropelite,

    Since he’ll likely be the nominee, Donnie may be in need of a food-taster.
    You like food and Donnie. So what are your plans between now and early November? (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  56. some are, most are working for zuckerberg, and cook, (although that’s a more selective cohort)
    and mayer, again more selective, so the real big story is how the novelist hoodwinked the press on the surrender to the mullahs.

    narciso (732bc0)

  57. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the federal government’s official collector of employment data, either 92 million or 93 million members of the civilian, non-institutionalized population who were age 16 and over were not in the labor force in July 2015.Aug 31, 2015

    ropelight (c70199)

  58. 43. …With plenty of cold cerveza. Viva la Fiesta!

    ropelight (c70199) — 5/6/2016 @ 9:02 am

    Could you at least hoist one or two to the memory of Rafael Peralta?

    I don’t celebrate Cinco de Mayo on general principles. I don’t believe Rafael Peralta would either.

    But Taco Salad? Really?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/rafael-peralta-2014-1

    …“Be proud of me, bro,” Rafael Peralta writes his 14-year-old brother shortly before going there. “ … and be proud of being an American.

    There with 1st Battalion, 3rd Marines is 25-year-old Sgt. Rafael Peralta, an immigrant from Mexico who enlisted in the Marine Corps the day he received his green card, and he’s about to save four Marines from going to their grave.

    Leading an assault team during house-to-house fighting, Peralta is the first through the door. The sergeant instantly takes fire, is hit in the chest and head at close range, and falls to the floor as insurgents toss a grenade and flee.

    But before he takes his last breath and without hesitation, the dying Marine—as he was taught at boot camp and knew many before him had done—reaches out, grabs the grenade that would surely kill every man in the room, brings it tight into his body, and absorbs the impact…

    Navy Cross. Soon, Arleigh Burke Destroyer. Bravo Zulu, SGT. Peralta.

    Taco salad? If I were going to celebrate Cinco de Mayo that wouln’t be it. I can do better.

    The proud Americans of Mexican descent who served this country, and were proud of being Americans, deserve better than Taco Salad.

    Steve57 (412496)

  59. Um, guys? Now that Trump is the Republican nominee you realize that this article, which is likely to be linked on HuffPo, is only going to help Hillary, right? I could see slamming Trump when other Republicans were running against him but now it’s become counter-productive.

    CrustyB (5a646c)

  60. unfortunately, we don’t know the story of rafael peralta, we know mike murphy (the good one)
    and marc lee, from american sniper, that mnuchin helped underwrite,

    narciso (732bc0)

  61. “With a US population of 318 million, and approx. 23% of that population minors, 73 million of Drudge’s 93 million are accounted for.”

    Leviticus,

    The civilian labor force definition excludes those under 16 years old. I won’t click Drudge but the number should be derived from BLS Table A-1 which shows 94 million. There are some interesting aspects to consider when evaluating the participation rate, particularly those concerning the effect of inter-generational wealth transfer as well as family subsidy levels but tossing in uncounted kids to make a point is an error.

    Rick Ballard (44b7ba)

  62. #59, Steve, so, let them eat apple pie, they’ve earned it. Mexicans and Mexican Americans are among the bravest of our soldiers, they’ve proved it over and over from WW-2 to Korea to Vietnam to Afghanistan to Iraq, ant to places not publicized. Other American soldiers of all backgrounds have vouched for the bravery and fighting spirit of Latinos. They’re strong and proud and they shouldn’t be used by cheap shot assholes to ridicule Trump’s lunch. They’re better than that even if you’re not.

    ropelight (c70199)

  63. Fair enough – my mistake.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  64. is ok you can still enjoy the tasty taco salad

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  65. Tiny Donnie panders with a plastic taco salad, to people Trumpkins who swallow this s*** as “tolerance”; pointing out the pander is a cheap shot at Latinos. Holy up is down, Batman!

    nk (dbc370)

  66. My main point stands: Drudge is stupid.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  67. Regarding labor force participation rate, its peak, in 1999, was 67.2%. Now it is 63%. So we are 4% low from where we were 17 years ago–is that a crisis? We’re 2% low from 6 years ago–is THAT a crisis? How am I to tell? It was roughly constant from 1990 to 2004 but it varied within 1% of 66% during that time.

    Never in history did it crack 65% until 1986. So I am really not sure how to evaluate this number. Right now we’re at 1975 levels, but is that bad? From 1950 to 1968, the supposed heyday of “good” blue-collar jobs, it never cracked 60%. It’s been declining more or less since 2000, and declining more steeply since 2009, but I have no idea where it is “supposed” to be.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  68. @Leviticus:Drudge is stupid.

    Maybe, but he understood the LFPR stats better than you did, Emily Litella. Just sayin’.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  69. Here is Trump’s level of genius….he is going to flounce off at some point. Right now, even before the nomination is a fact, his goal is to throw this thing. The advantage of doing it now is Bernie Sanders is defanged as his mad remarks get the folks, icluding disaffected GOP, in line behind hated Hilary because, panic. He will succeed, barring some eleventh hour miracle. That or he has some early undiagnosed dementia.

    You read his remarks today on shorting creditors of the USA, didn’t you? Hello, Hilary.

    SarahW (ed7ad6)

  70. From your mouth to God’s ear, SarahW.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. Also, is total LFPR the thing we should worry about?

    From the timing I would guess that the LFPR is tracking the retiring Boomers. It counts all people over 16, but consider: what if the 21 – 35 has an unusually low rate and the 65 – 75 has an usually high rate? I would think that would be a much worse sign than if it were the other way around, and you could get the same overall LFPR either way.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  72. Meanwhile in London –
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3xopNvnyps

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  73. I will just say that I don’t know what to make of a MJ article that purports to be praising Trump,

    I have a suspicion that somebody is trying to out-punk rather than be out-punked,
    but I am not sure who’s who,
    so I am staying out of it and reserving comment,

    Other than to say that when my daughter brought it to my attention in the car yesterday, her first reaction was, “I think it is for real on his site, not a hoax”.
    And I said, “I don’t know, it is amazing what hackers can do”.

    Whoever whatever is intended for,
    we are getting it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  74. ropelight, just so you know. I wear the t-shirt of the Mexican Expeditionary Air Force Escuadron 201, the Aguilas Aztecas, partly because it pisses off all the right people. So I’m not just a blankety-blank on the internet, I’m actually one in real life.

    Mostly though because my dad was a Coastie on Luzon at the time and I will forever be indebted for the air support.

    So get over your butthurt about the fact that of the tens of thousands of ways I could have come up with to commemorate Mexican Americans Taco Salad would have been far down on the list.

    Steve57 (412496)

  75. I meant to say that we are NOT getting it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  76. Take heart and take the lead of Mary Matalin, party unfaithful. She’s leaving and will apparently link cloacas with Snake Carville.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  77. Quick Google gives this table, which gives annual data back to 1929.
    http://useconomy.about.com/od/Employment/a/Unemployment-Rate-By-Year.htm

    Which suggests that underemployment in what might be called good economic times is the neighborhood of 3.5%-4%, meaning 1-1.5% lower than the current rate.

    kishnevi (870883)

  78. @kishnevi: Your source actually says this:

    The Federal Reserve estimates that this rate is between 4.7% and 5.8%. Both fiscal and monetary policy use that rate as the goal for full employment.

    Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1)

  79. I’m Afraid Sick and Tired of Americans

    Donnie’s in America
    No tricks at the wheel
    Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh
    Some people don’t like him
    They don’t even just pretend
    Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh
    Donnie’s in America

    [CHORUS]
    Sick and tired of Americans
    Sick and tired of the world
    I’m afraid I can’t help it
    I’m afraid I can’t
    Sick and tired of Americans

    Donnie’s in America
    Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh

    Donnie wants your vote
    You won’t you can suck on his dick
    Donnie has a woman
    she’s hot but her accent is thick
    Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh
    Donnie’s in America
    Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh

    [CHORUS]
    Sick and tired of Americans
    Uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh

    Donnie’s in America
    Donnie rubs elbows with stars
    A squirrel for his hair
    Donnie don’t hang out in bars
    Donnie’s in America, uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh
    Sick and tired of Americans

    Donnie’s an American
    Donnie’s lan American

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  80. So Trump’s plan was to ‘induce mockery’?

    When you trail your opponent by double digits, and people think you’re a bigot, your plan is to induce mockery of yourself, by eating a taco bowl to prove you like Hispanics?

    Seems more like something Michael Scott would do.

    It’s going to be interesting seeing who keeps their integrity between now an November. Trump’s going to lose either way.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  81. It is helpful to consider the population pyramid when assessing the impact of the LFPR on unemployment and the economy in general. The population pyramid situation is driving the immigration situation to a greater extent than “cheap labor” does by a rather wide margin. Immigrants may or may not generate a net surplus but they’re guaranteed to increase total consumption in the short term.

    Rick Ballard (44b7ba)

  82. 51.“I see on Drudge that over 94 million Americans are not participating in the workforce yet over 25 million foreigners are working here.”

    – Hoagie

    Has ropelight passed you the Drudge-torch?

    What’s the matter, Levidicus, your mind is so closed just looking at Drudge hurts?

    With a US population of 318 million, and approx. 23% of that population minors, 73 million of Drudge’s 93 million are accounted for. Add in another 14% for people over 65 (44 million) and Drudge’s number is more than surpassed.

    None of this is to say that no minors or seniors participate in the workforce. It’s just a reminder that Drudge and its meaningless number barf are stupid. Maybe Drudge can put up another straw poll showing that Trump is going to beat Clinton 90% to 1.2%.

    Those numbers are completely made up Levidicus. Perhaps you should try Drudge since he’s using the actual figures supplied by the Labor Dept..

    Then you go to this nonsense:

    It’s also a source of continuing irony when people complain about “non-producing immigrants” taking jobs from decent Americans. Pick your poison, guys: are immigrants bad because they aren’t producing, or because you aren’t?

    By definition non-producing immigrants would not be working, Levidicus, is that hard to understand? Therefore, they couldn’t be taking jobs away from Americans, now could they? However, immigrants who work, usually at lower level jobs for lower level wages, do take jobs from Americans whether you admit it or not. Even those who work under the table and pay zero taxes do. And they take the jobs from the lowest level thereby hurting the Americans who can least afford to be hurt. That would be low income earners, new first time job seekers, blacks and the elderly trying to earn extra retirement money to make ends meet.

    So the answer to your question: “Pick your poison, guys: are immigrants bad because they aren’t producing, or because you aren’t?” is both!

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  83. Mr. Trump eats the taco bowl of social harmony and people lose their minds oh my goodness.

    He thinks outside the box and he’s crazy like a fox just like ahmed and all his clocks he likes to watch the aftershocks.

    He’s clearly having a very good time and I think he’s gonna do very good and interesting presidenting.

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  84. Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 5/6/2016 @ 10:31 am

    The dogma back in my college days was 6% as a “natural” figure. But in “good times” it was less than that. Even if the current rate is acceptable, it still means the rate is higher by a full percentage point or more than in, say, 1966 or 1999.

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  85. the labor participation rate is back to 1978, when teh incredible hulk was on the air, also the original justice league,

    narciso (732bc0)

  86. 77. Take heart and take the lead of Mary Matalin, party unfaithful. She’s leaving and will apparently link cloacas with Snake Carville.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4) — 5/6/2016 @ 10:21 am

    Typical standard language of Trump and his enablers. Polls clearly show that many, many more once-Republican voters will stick to Republican principles and vote against the Hillary funder in November. Flail against that as crudely as you can.

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  87. and then Mr. Trump vanquished the wicked pee-stank the end

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  88. you keep acting like good character is some sort of qualification for the failmerican presidency

    it has nothing to do with it

    happyfeet (831175) — 3/30/2016 @ 6:39 pm

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  89. and then Mr. Trump vanquished the wicked pee-stank the end

    happyfeet (a037ad) — 5/6/2016 @ 1:34 pm

    With the help of his goldy sacks and soros finance chair I’m sure!

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  90. who helped finance american sniper, was also responsible for avatar,

    narciso (732bc0)

  91. i like him

    he’s the best choice

    you’ll see

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  92. With a US population of 318 million

    Leviticus, that 94 millions is out of the 18-65 population.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  93. OK, 16+

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  94. Scott Adams was right about Trump. He was right way back last Fall long before the first votes were cast. Maybe he knows what he’s writing about?

    Every presidential election has a narrative and he who controls said narrative always wins.

    Does anyone here think Hillary Clinton can control the narrative vs Trump?

    mark johnson (947f94)

  95. From the timing I would guess that the LFPR is tracking the retiring Boomers

    The earliest boomers — those born in 1946 — are just now turning 70. IF you assume that few of them retire willingly before the can collect their full Social Security (age 66), Boomer retirement by choice started in 2012.

    The drop started in 2009 and was precipitous. Now, this might be unwilling retirement in a hard-to-get-a-new-job-at-that-age kind of thing, but it is economic malfunction, not a the result of voluntary decisions.

    Sforter: the Boomer-retirement thing don’t hunt.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  96. The middle of the baby boom — those born in the early-to-mid 50’s — are still short of retirement age. If it were boomer retirement driving these numbers, the curve would have started a lot slower and still be dropping. It isn’t.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  97. The dogma back in my college days was 6% as a “natural” figure

    Pushed by people like Hubert Humphrey and Walter Mondale, whose policies made it hard to get past that. Under Reagan circa 1985, the unemployment rate was down to maybe half that even though a lot of illegal immigration was happening.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  98. Does anyone here think Hillary Clinton can control the narrative vs Trump?
    mark johnson (947f94) — 5/6/2016 @ 2:10 pm

    Whose interest did the MSM serve in getting Trump nominated?

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  99. Ooops, no it wasn’t, but the mid-80s sure did feel like everyone was working.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  100. “… will stick to Republican principles and vote against the Hillary funder in November. Flail against that as crudely as you can.”

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633) — 5/6/2016 @ 1:30 pm

    You’ll walk that sty alone, young Luke…

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  101. You’ll walk that sty alone, young Luke…
    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4) — 5/6/2016 @ 2:32 pm

    Precisely the sort of self-delusion required to believe in the orange messiah’s promises.

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  102. mark johnson (947f94) — 5/6/2016 @ 2:10 pm

    Does anyone here think Hillary Clinton can control the narrative vs Trump

    What I would describe as Clinton double-agent Ed Rollins, who ruined the Perot campaign, and made a mysterious false admission in 1993 about the New Jersey Gubernatorial election after it was over, is going to give it a shot.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/03/nbc_ed_rollins_joins_pro-trump_super_pac_says_time_for_republicans_to_come_around.html

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  103. With her unbridled support for Candy Crowley – expressed shortly before the 2012 debate that sow modded – Matalin suffers from the same lack of judgment Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing displayed when they expressed whole-hearted support for Eric Holder’s nomination as AGOTUS, stywalker.

    Go sell crazy elsewhere.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  104. Well, of course- the experts like Ann Coulter would never lead us astray, would they?

    A quote elsewhere:
    “Hold your nose and vote for BushI. Hold your nose and vote for Dole. Hold your nose and vote for BushII. Hold your nose and vote for McCain. Hold your nose and vote for Romney. Hold your nose and vote for Trump. Uh huh, yeah right.”

    That’s a recipe Ropelight would love. Turns out perfect every time.

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  105. Look, asshole (precise and vulgar enough for you, skipper?), I said I’d vote for Trump (if given no other choice), and not facilitate the election of Hillary Clinton by sitting on my hands and whining over the current state of affairs.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  106. Spoken like a devoted Trumpy. A dumber Putin is not a good thing.

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  107. Another quote:
    “Clinton versus Clinton’s donor is not a clear choice, and {at this stage} the election is the least important in our lives.”

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  108. Precisely the sort of self-delusion required to believe in the orange messiah’s promises.
    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

    He’s hardly an “orange messiah” and I frankly don’t believe in his promises. I do however, believe in Hillary’s and she along with her minions will erase the Republic. For every promise Trump won’t keep, Hillary will keep one of hers. Think about that.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  109. This message has been brought to you by the Founders:

    “If we must have an enemy at the head of government let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible.” – Alexander Hamilton

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  110. Any word on Huffington Post moving Trump reports out of the entertainment section?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  111. when you ride with red queen,

    https://twitter.com/pspoole

    narciso (732bc0)

  112. Any word on Huffington Post moving Trump reports out of the entertainment section?
    papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/6/2016 @ 3:01 pm

    For what reason? You don’t think they find him highly entertaining?

    Luke Stywalker (0fa633)

  113. The dogma back in my college days was 6% as a “natural” figure. But in “good times” it was less than that. Even if the current rate is acceptable, it still means the rate is higher by a full percentage point or more than in, say, 1966 or 1999.
    kishnevi

    The “dogma” as you put it back in the 60’s was a set of predetermined statistical inputs which remained unchanged for decades so everyone was dealing from the same deck. Then came the leftists and the rise of political correctness which required “creative accounting” to justify it’s policies.

    Just like leftists today complain the tax rates were 70% in the 70’s therefore, it should go back up to end the scourge of income inequality never point out there were dozens legal deductions for the taxpayer back then. I know I was writing everything off I could a paying less than 10%.

    The current rate is not only unacceptable it’s a lie. They no longer calculate unemployment the same way as back then. The different stats that were put in and taken from unemployment figures are done for the same reason the stats are screwed with for inflation, homosexuality, solar and wind power, global warming, the number of homeless, voter fraud, hungry American kids, black crime and any other “fact” which the left needs to freely manipulate to conform to the narrative at any given time. Did I mention “hate crimes”?

    So you tell me kishnevi, do you believe they’re giving us a true picture or are they cookin’ the books?

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  114. The bureaucracy has been thoroughly politicized top to bottom and it doesn’t change when a Republican administration assumes the helm. It skews fully to the left and its primary concern is continued employment without performance standards or codes of conduct.

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  115. “There is absolutely no basis to believe the claims made by this criminal [Lazar aka Guccifer] from his prison cell.”

    – spokeshole for Hillary “the Criminal Outside Her Cell” Clinton

    Colonel Haiku (feb2a4)

  116. So you tell me kishnevi, do you believe they’re giving us a true picture or are they cookin’ the books?

    My knowledge of formal economics is limited to one course of Econ 101, and that six percent figure is one of the few tidbits I remember. So I have no expertise to say that they are, but I have enough cynicism to think cooking the books is something known to prior decades, not just ours.

    But if they are cooking the books, my point is only reinforced: that the US has had two significant periods in the lifetime of many voters in which unemployment was perceptibly lesd than it is now

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  117. a passel of examples coronello,

    http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2012/03/07/michael-widlanskis-new-book-battle-for-our-minds-western-elites-and-the-terror-threat/

    notably that state department official, that gave 12 visas to the 9.11 hijackers, was likely a student of said,

    narciso (732bc0)

  118. Last night I watched a David Attenborough program on the Smithsonian Channel about insects. I was particularly struck with one beastie — an ant lion, which traps and then kills ants by digging a pit in loose sand, into which ant lion can burrow at the bottom and wait for a careless ant to fall in, and then to exhaust itself trying, without success, to gain enough purchase on the loose sand walls to get out of the pit. The exhausted ant ends up being dragged beneath the sand in the very center of the pit, where the sand lion can conceal it and eat it at leisure.

    The sand lion looked really brilliant in this program, with high-speed cameras and macro lenses and a well-scored orchestral background behind the narration which explained its tactics and success. Indeed, by the end of the program I was convinced that the sand lion is a genius.

    But despite my brief infatuation with this bug while watching last night’s program, I realized on further reflection today that the sand lion’s success comes not from thinking or planning, but from its superb adaptation for its particular niche in the ecosystem, and the unwary prey available therein. There is “genius,” or perhaps better, “ingenuity” in the sand lion’s adaptation for that niche. But whether you attribute that design and adaptation it to Mother Nature, or to evolutionary natural selection over many generations, or to the wonders of God’s plan for creation — I, for one, see no inconsistency in contending that it’s all three — you can’t really make an argument that the sand lion is a genius. It’s a tiny bug with a brain too small to see with the human eye, and it barely “thinks” at all; much less does it make plans or schemes.

    Trump is not very bright. But he’s a perfectly adapted con man, and his improvisational cunning — while concededly several steps above the sand lion’s in complexity — isn’t “genius,” but animal instinct.

    The biggest difference is that the ants figure out that they’re prey sooner than the people who voted for Trump so far have done. And now we’re all stuck at the bottom of the pit of loose sand, wondering how the hell we can climb out before we get eaten.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  119. Interesting, narciso… Thx!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. I had a Farmer John hotdog once and forgot to tell the Germans that I love me some Germans.

    Trump never misses a chance to cross promote and is often pretty good at it. In my estimation this was not one of those times. But like everything else he does that seems tone deaf, this won’t hurt him at all. Maybe it was pandering, but all politicians do it, so big deal.

    I don’t know much about how to define pandering, but I don’t think Steve57’s post on Sgt. Peralta was. Regardless, when we are called to remember someone this brave and selfless we can choose to take the high road… that said, I would go batsh!t crazy if Hillary was to have done it.

    steveg (fed1c9)

  121. when every gesture is a microagression or cultural appropriation,

    let me put it plainly, phillip reines, mcdonough, rhodes have blood on their hands from the streets of tehran to the deserts of benghazi, and everywhere in between, this was the result of choosing poorly,

    narciso (732bc0)

  122. Looks like Dick Cheney’s on board. Way to go Cheney!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  123. Beldar, I teach university biology, and that was a good one!

    Genius? Maybe low animal cunning.

    But con men and con women need one thing above all: marks who think they are too smart to be conned.

    The proof is all around us.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  124. Your point, kishnevi, may well be reinforced however, as long as you realize the unemployment to many voters is “perceptively less” rather than actually less. But as they say, perception is everything. I lived through the gas lines, high unemployment, crazy inflation and wage/price freezes of the seventies. And the period from 2005-2014 was horrible too. They just change the rules as needed so as long as you are aware of that all’s good. As a businessman I can tell exactly how the economy is going by driving around and noticing how many stores are for rent. Unemployment figures, I don’t need no stinkin’ unemployment figures.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  125. The next-to-last Q&A in Trump’s 1990 interview in Playboy was among the briefest but most most revealing things in a long piece (boldface in question & italics in answer in original):

    Is there a master plan to your deal making or is it all improvisational?

    It’s much more improvisational than people might think.

    That’s also probably the most truthful answer in the entire piece, which is mostly of interest because it reveals that Trump was already a vulgar, whining, narcissistic serial-exaggerator even in 1990. That’s his niche in the ecosystem, I guess.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  126. Scott Adams was right about Trump. He was right way back last Fall long before the first votes were cast. Maybe he knows what he’s writing about?

    Every presidential election has a narrative and he who controls said narrative always wins.

    Does anyone here think Hillary Clinton can control the narrative vs Trump?

    mark johnson (947f94)

    LOL.

    You think Obama controlled the narrative. It was the media… the one that picked Romney/Mccain/Trump.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  127. The next time The Mr Donald orders some pizza, he’ll tell us how much he loves Italians. And his Fan Boys will love it!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  128. Always someone else’s fault, no self-awareness or introspection.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  129. Um, guys? Now that Trump is the Republican nominee you realize that this article, which is likely to be linked on HuffPo, is only going to help Hillary, right? I could see slamming Trump when other Republicans were running against him but now it’s become counter-productive.

    You may not have been around as I said this recently, but:

    I don’t care.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  130. It will take a miracle, but there doesn’t appear to be anything or anyone that will stop him now.

    Tomorrow does not belong to those who have made today possible.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  131. You don’t care, but maybe you should?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  132. you can grouse all you want, but as for me, I’m investing in Big Pharma…

    Google’s Leading Futurist Predicts Humans Will Start Living Forever by 2029: http://thescienceexplorer.com/brain-and-body/google-s-leading-futurist-predicts-humans-will-start-living-forever-2029

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  133. I’m with you, Colonel.
    An election is a binary choice. The winner gets to govern. As much as I think Trump’s a punk and a fraud, I think he’s less of a punk and a fraud than Hillary.
    John Bolton and Dick Cheney are of the same mindset.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  134. I’m with them, Cruz Supporter. Let the teeth-gnashing/rending of garments/rabid denunciations of Bolton and Cheney begin.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  135. Colonel, by next week we might hear that John Bolton(!) is a secret liberal. Oh God.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  136. he goes back to goldwater as a teenager, worked for jesse helms, a prima facie case of political integrity, well castellanos is the exception that proves the rule,

    narciso (732bc0)

  137. No doubt, Cruz Supporter. http://youtu.be/FUvxRjYqjEQ

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  138. JEB! ‘I will not vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton’…

    Jeb throws in with Patterico! Who woulda thunk it!?!?!?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. Jeb throws in with Patterico! Who woulda thunk it!?!?!?

    Jeb’s a RINO.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  140. Trump’s an idiot. If he’s a Republican in anything but name, who else would want to be?

    Leviticus (20f5af)

  141. No, Hoagie, he’s now officially a FOP.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  142. You make me repeat myself, Leviticus. Real Republicans are racist, xenophobic, nanny-state-loving (as long as the state nannies them) @$$holes. Trump just proved it. They made him their nominee for President. Jeb is a RINO. As are his brother and his father. And Reagan. And everybody else who calls himself a Republican and is not a racist, xenophobic, nanny-state loving @$$hole.

    This is not irony, sarcasm, or parody. It is my sincere assessment of the Republican base.

    nk (dbc370)

  143. Behold the hysterical ninny, text book example. When children can’t get their way they throw a tantrum and hold their breath till mommy gives in. Adults also throw tantrums but instead of holding their breath they threaten to break the china and cut off their own noses.

    ropelight (c70199)

  144. That makes zero sense, nk.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  145. Strong words for a Chicago lawyer, nk.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  146. Colonel, is a FOP friend of Patterico? I assume if you’re a Republican but refuse to either back, endorse or vote for the Republican then in fact you are by definition a RINO.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  147. Yes, it is Hoagie. I found this to be of interest. Perhaps it will interest a few others… “I don’t care who the candidate is…. Ask what you can do for the candidate.” Andrew Brietbart @ CPAC 2012
    “If you’re not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with a certain candidate, more than shame on you! You’re on the other side!”

    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/citizens/ask_what_you_can_do_for_y.php#033327

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  148. ropelight,

    It’s interesting how your comments intend to describe Cruz supporters but end up describing Trump supporters.

    DRJ (15874d)

  149. I miss that guy. And I didn’t even know him.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  150. nk, that is way past the line. The mass of people who voted for Trump are not David Dukes or Pam Gellers. They may be nativists, but that is far different from being xenophobes.
    They may have the illusion that whatever they have they got from their own efforts (and in the case of many, it is no illusion). They may have the illusion that the only reason a resident of the inner city slums did not do the same is lack of effort, without considering the obstacles living hand to mouth, with seriously flawed education and faulty sources of information, with family and neighbors all in the same condition, can place in their way. They may think throwing American weight around on the world is good on principle, and they don’t like the current state of the country. They may be low info voters addicted to celebrity.

    But no one should call them all nether orifices.

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  151. missing the story again,

    narciso (732bc0)

  152. well I would say, #willing for red queen, but you know you can’t be too picky,

    http://www.michellesmirror.com/2016/05/hillarybyproxy.html#.Vy1LqLgrK01

    narciso (732bc0)

  153. When children can’t get their way they throw a tantrum and hold their breath till mommy gives in. Adults also throw tantrums but instead of holding their breath they threaten to break the china and cut off their own noses.

    ropelight (c70199) — 5/6/2016 @ 6:30 pm

    Many people think Trump would be a terrible President. Have you figured that out yet? Maybe you should go on some more about Cruz’s father.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  154. Yeah, I’ll shut up. I’m not doing anybody any good saying these things, least of all my ulcer*.

    *That’s just an expression; I don’t have an ulcer.

    nk (dbc370)

  155. We think we have problems. The British just elected a moslem mayor of London. Londonastan. These leftists just don’t get it. Keep letting these people in. Idiots.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  156. I think Patterico had said something to the effect that he didn’t know what Breitbart would think about all this. Maybe he has his answer at the link in #149?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  157. It’s not that nk, it’s just when you do that you sound so stupid and juvenile. You don’t need to call people names to make your point. Especially when you play that tired old racist and xenophobic card so fast and loose.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  158. eleven years after 7/7, hoagie, a one time counsel to moussaoui, an associate of moazzem begg, the fmr gitmo detainee that recruited the underwear bomber, which set up the outfit that whitewashed emwazi, the tories and labour both lost last night, and the outsider parties, the liberal democrats, think doc brown, and ukip, a more eloquent speaker of trump’s message, both gained.

    narciso (732bc0)

  159. can we get a fracking clue, the fate of paris and brussels, is coming to london, and god help us, to the states, not a matter of if but when.

    narciso (732bc0)

  160. *That’s just an expression; I don’t have an ulcer.

    nk (dbc370) — 5/6/2016 @ 7:05 pm

    =========================================

    Maybe you don’t, maybe you do. Or maybe just a bad case of Tourette’s Syndrome.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  161. Of course, what Andrew Breitbart said was right: “I don’t care who the candidate is…. Ask what you can do for the candidate… if you’re not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with a certain candidate, more than shame on you! You’re on the other side!”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  162. Col: but what if your candidate is part of the other side?

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  163. The GOP Primary voters have spoken. The party has a nominee. Take a little time to get your heads right, then either get on-board the Trump Train, or get off the tracks, we have an election to win. America hangs in the balance, our nation is worth saving so enough with the sour grapes and the stupid naysaying. Grow up.

    ropelight (c70199)

  164. Bite me, Haiku! Go down to the harbor. It doesn’t have to be a Greek vessel. Greek sailors sailors serve in the merchant marine of just about every flag.

    nk (dbc370)

  165. kish in 2008, the party’s nominee threw the match, the jones memo covered up this surrender to obama, part of which became ‘game change’ sourced anonymously, from wallace and schmidt, to halperin and heileman,

    narciso (732bc0)

  166. I don’t care how you spend your Friday nights, nk! I say live and let live.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  167. Maybe you don’t, maybe you do. Or maybe just a bad case of Tourette’s Syndrome.
    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/6/2016 @ 7:14 pm

    I would have said “a good case.”

    Bite him, colonel!

    felipe (325ff3)

  168. that has been glenn reynolds observations about the antiwar left, they are on the otherside,
    the salafi apologists like pillar and scheuer, referenced above, he basically took credit for what an actual seasoned company man, whom I don’t name, actually did to try to interdict ubl,

    narciso (732bc0)

  169. I’m not convinced that’s the case here, kishnevi. I do know that the Democrats are an Effing horror show and need to be stopped at all costs.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  170. No, Felipe, no!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  171. Kish is only playing Debil’s advocate. Why would we lie to ourselves?

    felipe (325ff3)

  172. Trump is the flaming bag of sh*t that a bunch of dumb teenagers dropped on America’s doorstep. If we don’t stomp him out, the house burns down.

    Leviticus (20f5af)

  173. Masochist: Bite me, beat me!

    Sadist: No, Never!

    The colonel is a most clever one.

    felipe (325ff3)

  174. Way to go Liviticus, your comments are a reflection of your character. Cheap, low-brow, and mean-spirited. Like a child having a tantrum.

    ropelight (c70199)

  175. did you get that from camelbert or larry wilmore,

    narciso (732bc0)

  176. Greek sailors sailors serve in the merchant marine of just about every flag.

    We can thank Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell for that.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  177. Hold on there ropelight. I like Levidicus when he talks like that. It’s so, so ghetto. Almost as if he were a rapper!

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  178. ropelight,

    You spell like a dumb teenager. Thanks for your contribution to the bag of sh*t on America’s doorstep.

    Leviticus (20f5af)

  179. Metaphors: not just for rap music anymore!

    Leviticus (20f5af)

  180. That’s a wonderful image, Leviticus.

    Cartoon: A hesitant person is peering out of cracked front door, looking at a bag marked “Trump” that sits aflame on the porch, while in the shadows is a teenager skulking away wearing a tee-shirt that says “media”. The mailbox on the house says “Conservatives”

    No caption.

    felipe (325ff3)

  181. Metaphork you, Liviticus. You are the bag of shi*t on America’s doorstep.

    ropelight (c70199)

  182. Ok, Ropelight, The caption is yours.

    felipe (325ff3)

  183. “Metaphorhok you.”

    I like it!

    felipe (325ff3)

  184. You know what I meant to spell.

    felipe (325ff3)

  185. We have a winner!

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  186. did you get that from camelbert or larry wilmore,
    narciso (732bc0) — 5/6/2016 @ 7:47 pm

    Try Camus or Gary Gilmore.

    felipe (325ff3)

  187. I call colbert camelbert because he’s a stinky cheese, wilmore is the other protege of stewart, along with john oliver, idiot savants all,

    narciso (732bc0)

  188. Porgie has joined dimlight in making fun of Leviticus’s name, and felipe has joined the yapping pack. It doesn’t do any good to try to walk away from yapping dogs — they’ll snap at your heels. You’ve just got to keep kicking them hard. But I can’t be bothered.

    nk (dbc370)

  189. OT. I just experienced “civil war,” what a grand romp!

    Favorite exchange”

    Dude 1: would you move your seat up?
    Dude 2: no.

    Favorite sight gag:

    Dude 1 and 2 nod approvingly.

    felipe (325ff3)

  190. narciso (732bc0) — 5/6/2016 @ 8:08 pm

    Yes, we know.

    felipe (325ff3)

  191. As I commented about this to OCWeekly… I wonder what would happen if Trump, oh I don’t know, tasted somethng SPICY in that ‘Taco Bowl.’

    (Imagine his hair standing straight up…)
    😛

    qdpsteve (b06fb2)

  192. it looks great from everything we here, no spoilers, right,

    narciso (732bc0)

  193. It doesn’t do any good to try to walk away from yapping dogs — they’ll snap at your heels. You’ve just got to keep kicking them hard. But I can’t be bothered…

    nk (dbc370) — 5/6/2016 @ 8:09 pm

    =================================

    … and just like that, he’s off to teh Port of Chicago.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  194. I have joined no such thing. I have given Leviticus credit where credit was due. Look for rancor elsewhere, sir.

    felipe (325ff3)

  195. no spoilers, at all.

    felipe (325ff3)

  196. I’m not convinced that’s the case here, kishnevi. I do know that the Democrats are an Effing horror show and need to be stopped at all costs.

    I think we are faced with the choice of a male big government narcissist and a female big government narcissist, and from what I can tell, the US will suffer worse long term damage from the male narcissist than the female narcissist. You feel the reverse, and it is always possible that something will surface to make me change that opinion.

    As of now, I intend to vote for the Libertarian candidate, whoever that turns out to be.

    kishnevi (9cb6b5)

  197. Jeb’s a RINO.

    Well, anyone calling themselves a “Republican” who will not vote for the GOP nominee is a “RINO”, Hoagie. Pretty much the definition, since as we have recently seen “Republican” doesn’t mean anything by itself.

    Or do you think that the GOP is (or ever has been) a conservative party?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  198. At least he didn’t say “Cinco de Cuatro” like Barack did several years ago.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 5/6/2016 @ 8:29 am

    He had to say somethin foreign, CS. He failed his Austrian 101 class miserably.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  199. What do you call 4 Mexicans stuck in quicksand?

    Cuatro Cinco.

    ropelight (c70199)

  200. What do you call 4 Mexicans?

    20 unemployed Trumpkins.

    Leviticus (20f5af)

  201. Did your mother have any children that lived?

    ropelight (c70199)

  202. it’s unproductive to follow this course, better to remind people of red queen’s part in the shooting gallery brought to you as part of fast and furious, that stained mexico with a touch of crimson, still has echoes in the chapo guzman case, and the latest butchery in honduras, that was due to castaway, another off site project,

    narciso (732bc0)

  203. you see everywhere you point on the map, russia, north korea, gaza, mexico, iraq she has been a part of policies that have wrought destruction, think of her as one of the furies, trump might have some vague unformulated notions, but that’s about the size of it,

    narciso (732bc0)

  204. 205, 206 and 207… Yes, narciso! You’ve given a good, brief summary of what’s at stake here.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. just some notions which I recall I might have picked up here in the last few years, but let us drink of the waters of lethe, is that too much cultural appropriation?

    narciso (732bc0)

  206. ropelite,

    What you need is a nice taco bowl. Some sour cream. Maybe a little guacamole. Then maybe you won’t be so angry.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  207. Seven of Nine gave us Obama.

    Obama gave us Trump.

    Turns out resistance really was futile, especially since we seemed to go so willingly.

    Fuckin Borg, man.

    Eric in Hollywood (fd132a)

  208. Is Trump channeling Dean Acheson in declaring that Korea is outside our defensive perimeter (again)?

    Better call up the Frozen-Chosin again.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  209. No Trump guru glenn beck has quite a few minions on his side.
    Wow!! This clown has followers such as boosh, gay lindsey, traitor ryan and kristol just to name a few.

    mg (31009b)

  210. In the end, you either vote for Hillary, help Hillary by not voting or hurt Hillary by voting Trump.

    cedarhill (cf75f5)

  211. Maybe ropelight is angry because he finally realized Trump is a fraud. It’s a bitter pill to swallow and it will only get worse.

    DRJ (15874d)

  212. “I don’t care who the candidate is…. Ask what you can do for the candidate… if you’re not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with a certain candidate, more than shame on you! You’re on the other side!”

    – Andrew Breitbart CPAC 2012

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  213. You’ll have to make a choice and you’ll have to live with that choice.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  214. He’ll win Minnesota if he comes here and scarfs down a plate of lutefisk.

    Jcurtis (8cf4ed)

  215. I can see Trump in a bunker, receiving unpleasant news regarding the certain outcome resulting from his past decisions.

    Rick Ballard (44b7ba)

  216. Trump and Hillary are the most blatant liars I’ve ever seen. They almost make Obama, Bill Clinton and Nixon look like amateurs, which is saying something.

    In addition, it wouldn’t surprise me to someday see Presidential candidates competing on a TV show. Imagine 13 episodes of Celebrity President where candidates compete for votes to become their Party’s nominee. They could compete with traditional political things like debates, policies, and hosting rallies, but that’s so old. Pleasing the electorate is all that matters when populism is the game, and it would be a lot more fun to see candidates get makeovers and compete to see who can tell the biggest lies.

    DRJ (15874d)

  217. Following up on DRJ’s link.
    As discouraging as Indiana was,
    Trump is still the presumptive nominee,
    and Cruz only suspended his campaign.
    And soon up is Nebraska,
    where the leader of nevertrump still is.

    And I guess we still have pro-Cruz or anti-Trump PACs that can do what they want if they have money.

    If one is serious about helping Trumpists (which I use as a descriptive and not derogatory term) come to see the con man for who he was,
    it will not be by rubbing their faces in it

    I still say we don’t know who the candidates are yet,
    and the Dems can still put up someone worse than HRC,
    and the presumptive R has the greatest neg numbers in history.

    With all of the bickering, even if Trump fails to close the deal
    I don’t think Cruz could unite the team
    The GOPe might still bungle it
    Needed, I think Sasse said this,
    Someone who is still a DC/political outsider who is not seen as part of the problem
    but more conservative and solid than Trump

    I don’t know who that is

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  218. Colonel,

    I’m not convinced that Andrew Breitbart would have supported or voted for Donald Trump, although in 2011 he did anticipate Trump or someone like him could win:

    Appearing on the O’Reilly Factor last night, with guest host Juan Williams, radio host Leslie Marshall and conservative bloggerAndrew Breitbart agreed that a potential Donald Trump candidacy is a bad sign for America.

    ***

    Breitbart also did not seem to be a fan of Trump either, saying “he is not a conservative.” He also had a warning for Republicans if they don’t get their act together.

    “Celebrity is everything in this country. And if these guys don’t learn how to play the media the way that Barack Obama played the media last election cycle and the way that Donald Trump is playing the election cycle, we’re going to probably get a celebrity candidate.”

    DRJ (15874d)

  219. “I don’t care who the candidate is…. Ask what you can do for the candidate… if you’re not in that bunker because you’re not satisfied with a certain candidate, more than shame on you! You’re on the other side!”

    – Andrew Breitbart CPAC 2012

    “I called Donald Trump a two-bit hustler and he hit me with a bag of quarters.” — Ronald Reagan, 17th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 1934

    nk (dbc370)

  220. Giuliani is pro-choice, but I believed his promises about judicial appointments and not advocating for abortion
    He has the cred for ant-terrorist
    For common sense anti crime

    But it would be nice for someone even better
    If there was a credible pro-life Dem for VP
    but that is a big IF

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  221. Trump’s history includes a federal civil rights investigation and settlement.

    DRJ (15874d)

  222. She looked at me said
    “I’ll slow your machine right down”
    gives me the willies

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  223. ‘Breitbart also did not seem to be a fan of Trump either, saying “he is not a conservative.” ‘

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  224. Wonder what he thought about Hillary Clinton…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  225. He’s the nominee now, I wasn’t crazy about him, but seriously now.

    narciso (1b4366)

  226. narciso wiggin’
    can’t lead these nags to water
    and make ’em drink it

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  227. Colonel,
    If the election was today I would probably vote for Trump because I have every reason to believe HRC would be terrible,
    But I would not do it “holding my nose”
    I would do it with great heaviness of heart
    He is such a terrible candidate
    Boehner would be better
    McConnell would be better
    Webb would be better

    As DRJ said, we are not picking between two poor candidates,
    But between two terrible and evil candidates.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  228. he is right of course
    they will stand on teh quicksand
    of their principles

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  229. I’m still thinking it is a long way until July, let alone Nov.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  230. We need a Cincinnatus,
    But I am afraid we will get a Caesar.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  231. yes yes the civil rights investigations of the federal filthmerican government are serious serious matters what are chock full of integrity

    lol

    happyfeet (831175)

  232. charles gasparino
    sportin’ an evil brush cut
    don’t look too keen-o

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  233. Anyone seen Aragorn??

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  234. i have not

    happyfeet (831175)

  235. Donius Digitus Brevitus.

    nk (dbc370)

  236. Well we’ve already had a catiline, an alcibiades, look at my lined post up thread re the hudna, she set in motion.

    narciso (1b4366)

  237. fat neil cavuto
    mama been pinchin’ his cheek
    too much risotto

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  238. hillary clinton
    can’t abide no cacklin’ bi+ch
    lies lies lies ye-yah

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  239. Actually, Colonel, I do have principles and they aren’t built on quicksand.

    I strongly disagree with those who supported Trump as the GOP nominee. I think their desperation foolishly led them to trust a con man who will not keep his promises. But I’m not criticizing people who decide they have no choice but to support Trump now that he is the nominee. I won’t join them because I won’t vote for someone like Trump, but what others decide is up to them.

    DRJ (15874d)

  240. and the enemy
    of this evil enemy
    is my bestest friend

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  241. yes yes the foolish nevertrumpers

    full of spite and malice

    drown the baby drown the baby

    happyfeet (831175)

  242. Actually, DRJ, a Clinton administration will force-feed you your principles, make you shi+ them out and feed them to you again

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  243. happyfeet,

    It was the law and Trump broke it and flaunted breaking it. But Trump supporters seem to think flaunting law, tradition, and morality are good things — so no wonder you find Trump’s federal civil rights settlement LOL funny.

    DRJ (15874d)

  244. Obama already did that, Colonel.

    DRJ (15874d)

  245. No, you are the one who supports baby-killing, hf.

    DRJ (15874d)

  246. “Actually, DRJ, a Clinton administration will force-feed you your principles, make you shi+ them out and feed them to you again.”

    – Colonel Haiku

    Better that than giving them up voluntarily. Like you have.

    Leviticus (c8fdf0)

  247. As for spite and malice, those are Trump and Trump supporter qualities. They are the ones who want to get even.

    DRJ (15874d)

  248. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees. Maybe ropelight and Haiku will have reason yet to be grateful for Trump’s short fingers.

    Leviticus (c8fdf0)

  249. DRJ,
    I think the reference to quicksand was in regard to my mentioning of Boehner and McConnell as better choices than Trump, that he is that bad.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  250. It is not yet November,
    And I am still praying that Trump is not the nominee, somehow.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  251. i think Mr. Trump’s federal civil rights settlements are sweet lil kitty-cat settlements compared to the ones pee-stank’s gestapo will do on the evil endemically racist filthmerican businesspeoples

    Mr. Trump knows what it’s like to have the filthy jackboot of the American government aimed at his head

    This is something new.

    meghan’s coward daddy knew nothing of such things

    weirdo pervert mitt romney had entire legal departments staffed by the finest harvardtrash lawdogs to head these things off

    But Mr. Trump, he’s seen it how *we* would see the evil implacable federal oppressiveness if it happened on a business we owned or managed. The evil rapaciousness of it. The cruel and haughty arbitrariness of it.

    He has seen this with his own eyes.

    And he has a plan.

    Trump wants to help U.S. businesses by lifting slew of regulations: CNBC

    happyfeet (831175)

  252. Haiku, you could certainly be right that Hillary would be worse than Trump. But I’m not convinced that is true, and much of voting is based on convincing people about the future.

    DRJ (15874d)

  253. You can say what you want about Neil Cavuto but the guy is an American success story. He suffers from severe Multiple Sclerosis, he has two adopted kids and he works like a man possessed. Cavuto is the kind of guy we should be using as an example of American Exceptionalism.

    As DRJ said, we are not picking between two poor candidates,
    But between two terrible and evil candidates.

    Sorry but I disagree, MD in Philly. (That’s been happening a lot lately). Our choice is between an amoral, narcissistic, buying businessman who whether you like it or not is successful and an evil leftist grifter who has no noteworthy accomplishments to her life other than marrying the President of the United States.

    Trump’s no George Washington but I don’t believe the man to be evil. Hillary, on the other hand, I find evil, malicious, conniving and about as un-American as one can get. From the Rose Law firm to Benghazi to her unsecured servers everything comes last because Hillary comes first.

    So in this one post we have Neil Cavuto as a great American and Hillary as the antitheses of that.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  254. ask allied bank how these things go,

    narciso (732bc0)

  255. you reminder me Mr. Hoagie

    i took a few minutes yesterday to tell my millennial programmer friend the story of sumner redstone

    ny values

    happyfeet (831175)

  256. That was supposed to be “bullying businessman”. Sorry

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  257. Dr. Trumplove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bum

    Leviticus (20f5af)

  258. leviticus, who did you vote for four and eight years ago,

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-most-hated-candidate-usually-wins/article/2590520

    narciso (732bc0)

  259. MD…

    I would do it with great heaviness of heart [agree]
    He is such a terrible candidate [not my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc., choice, for sure]
    Boehner would be better [OH HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
    McConnell would be better [just this side of Lindsey Graham-bad]
    Webb would be better [yes, but he wimped out]

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  260. Neil Cavuto is The Man, Hoagie. He’s the real thing. And I love his sense of humor.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  261. Trump-style negotiating rules according to George Ross, Trump’s in-house attorney:

    Rule #1: There is no rule.
    Rule #2: Lying and cheating is ok.

    DRJ (15874d)

  262. 251… blow me, whelp.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  263. Obama already did that, Colonel.

    DRJ (15874d) — 5/7/2016 @ 7:51 am

    =====================================

    So… you want a second heapin’ helping of their hospitality?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  264. yes yes this is the story of how lifeydoodle snivelpoop jeb jeb only has his dimbulb entitled weak weak self to blame

    MAN NOBODY VOTED FOR ANNOUNCES WHO HE WON’T VOTE FOR: Jeb Bush: I won’t vote for Trump or Clinton.

    Jeb Bush will not vote for either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump in the presidential election, he announced Friday, saying that he doesn’t think either one will “put us on a better course.”

    “In November, I will not vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, but I will support principled conservatives at the state and federal levels, just as I have done my entire life,” Bush wrote in a Facebook post.

    “For Republicans, there is no greater priority than ensuring we keep control of both chambers of Congress. I look forward to working hard for great conservatives in the Senate and House in the coming months.”

    Bush slammed both parties’ front-runners as unfit for the White House.

    says Mr. Instapundit:

    Sorry, Jeb, but this comes across as sour grapes. Now if you’d taken my advice in January, or better still, my advice from last year, Trump probably wouldn’t be the nominee, and your words would carry a lot more weight. But you ran an ego-driven campaign long past the point at which a sensible person would have dropped out.

    Character. Republicans. LOL.

    happyfeet (831175)

  265. happyfeet 260,

    Is that the right link?

    DRJ (15874d)

  266. If Hillary is willing to look families of dead Americans in the eyes and lie about how they died, there’s no lie she won’t tell.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 82 years old, Kennedy is 79, Breyer is 77, and Thomas is 69.

    You want the court to have a 7-2 split in favor of the gun grabbers? Keep bashing Trump.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  267. yes yes is right link is it not working?

    happyfeet (831175)

  268. oh my goodness Mr. tiger that’s a very very good point

    happyfeet (831175)

  269. 272… Spot. On.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  270. says Mr. Instapundit

    Plus, today only at Amazon: KitchenAid PRO 500 Series 5-Quart Lift Style Stand Mixer All Metal, 30% off.

    And, also today only: Big savings on Outdoor Patio Furniture.

    nk (dbc370)

  271. btw:

    http://time.com/4321989/donald-trump-testify-university-lawsuit/

    I know rick was so looking forward to this,

    narciso (732bc0)

  272. that mixer is a seriously good deal

    happyfeet (831175)

  273. The Supreme Court did almost nothing for gun rights. Forty-eight states had public carry, concealed and/or open, by the time of Heller; 49 by the time of MacDonald. It’s slightly easier to get a gun in DC because of Heller and that’s about all it accomplished. Neither decision loosened the gun laws in states that did not want them loosened.

    The one state that never had gun control at all, zero, zip, zilch, nada ever, is Vermont. Vote for Bernie.

    nk (dbc370)

  274. I don’t look forward to Hillary, Haiku, but I think I can live through it. However, Trump is a cipher and I’m not sure what he will do.

    For instance, as happyfeet’s CNBC link shows, Trump has floated renegotiating with holders of US securities in order to reduce the debt. Of course, the only way he can do that is (1) by redeeming securities by the voluntary agreement, or (2) by violating the law. The federal government already does item (1) by redeeming securities when possible to reduce the interest rates we pay, so how does Trump plan to do this? He won’t say, as usual.

    So should I trust Trump to play around with the Full Faith and Credit of the U.S. government? No thanks.

    DRJ (15874d)

  275. The Court is a good reason to vote for Trump. However, I don’t think Trump will pick conservative justices because he won’t want to spend his political capital on conservative values that he doesn’t care about, nor will he want to antagonize the Democratic Senate and compromise whatever agenda he decides to support. But he might appoint moderate Justices like Kennedy and Brennan.

    DRJ (15874d)

  276. as happyfeet’s CNBC link shows, Trump has floated renegotiating with holders of US securities in order to reduce the debt

    nonono

    that’s not what the link says at all DRJ

    Trump told CNBC he would NOT renegotiate U.S. bonds but would buy back at discounts, depending where interest rates are.

    happyfeet (831175)

  277. The court argument is a red herring anyway. You wanna control who gets appointed to the courts? Hold the Senate. They’ve done a fine job thus far of preventing a liberal president from appointing judges.

    Leviticus (20f5af)

  278. Trumpon renegotiating debt:

    In part of a conversation about fiscal and monetary policy, Trump proposed that the US could reduce its national debt by pressuring creditors to accept less than full payment on Treasury securities.

    “We’re paying a very low interest rate,” Trump said of the current debt load. “What happens if that interest rate goes two, three, four points up? We don’t have a country. I mean, if you look at the numbers, they’re staggering.”

    However, he said that he would still use the debt markets to finance the government. “I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal…And if the economy was good, it was good. So, therefore, you can’t lose.”

    To clarify, Trump is suggesting that the US Treasury threaten to renege on its promise to pay investors the full amount they are owed on the bills, notes and bonds the government sells when it issues or rolls over its debts.

    Read the link gor why this is such a bad idea. Trump serms to think America can use its laws to renegotiate debt the way he uses bankruptcy laws. He is a deceiver or an idiot, or both.

    DRJ (15874d)

  279. Happyfeet,

    I linked the relevant law. Trump can’t buy back anything more than is already being done, unless he wants to undermihe the market in US securities and bonds. We already have a buyback program to reduce interest rates but it is voluntary.

    DRJ (15874d)

  280. Rev.
    You are the business man, not me,
    I am asking your serious opinion,
    What do you make of Trump’s multiple bankruptcies?
    Are those “just things that happen” in business and he has handled them well,
    Or is it evidence he is good at making the deal,
    but inept at fulfilling his commitments,
    at the cost mainly of others?
    If his businesses went bankrupt,
    but he didn’t,
    it was creditors, contactors, their families that did not receive their promised wages and fees.

    The same thing of his personal life,
    making an agreement with a beautiful young woman,
    only to break it when convenient for him,
    multiple times.

    I see him as the scorpion or rattlesnake not to be trusted.
    HRC may be a Wandering Banana Spider or a cobra,
    but still.

    If you can argue that I am wrong, I will listen.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  281. Mr. Trump is very wisely playing the long game here DRJ.

    filthmerica’s corrupt federal reserve – they’ve kept the training wheels on food stamp’s entire presidency

    food stamps’s the first filthmerican president to have zero interest rates his whole presidency

    Mr. Trump is wisely suspecting the federal reserve crime syndicate will be tempted to skyrocket rates if an R takes the white house

    so he’s saying to them look, if you attack America I will defend it

    but if you’re reasonable, he says, we’ll aggressively refinance

    harvardtrash Ted and his goldy sacky would’ve just rolled over and let yellen rape america

    but not Mr. The Donald

    he’s a smart cookie, and he’s on America’s side, not sleazy criminal janet yellen’s side

    and thank god america jesus for that

    happyfeet (831175)

  282. In the end, you either vote for Hillary, help Hillary by not voting or hurt Hillary by voting Trump.

    cedarhill (cf75f5) — 5/7/2016 @ 4:55 am

    Sorry Cedarhill, but I will not vote Trump. I’m ok with those who do based on your calculus, never mind the fanbois. Admittedly, my decision is much easier here in California, since it’s a virtual lock the state goes for Sir Hillary anyway. But I just cannot support that flake, period. I’ve already eaten two sh*t sandwiches (McCain and Romney), I’m not doing it a third time.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  283. DRJ did you notice in your link

    In the signed statement, the employee claimed that the Justice Department lawyer who replaced Goldweber, Donna Goldstein, told him to “lie” or risk being “thrown in jail.”
    Goldstein, now a California Superior Court judge, declined to comment on the case.

    California is a dumping ground for East Coast Dems who screwed the pooch. Couple of examples, just from personal knowledge, Janet Nepolitano, Melanie Sills (who became the Editor in Chief for the Sacramento Bee after being drummed out of North Carolina for her vicious yellow journalism during the Duke Lacrosse case)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  284. yes, but you knew that going in, about trump, md, so what’s changed. an s&l a waterpumping outfit and another concern collapsed related to jeb, none of that made the news, because he didn’t get any traction,

    narciso (732bc0)

  285. Willin’

    She’s been warped by Alinsky, claimed to be poor
    A drunk and dirty, lying hoar and they’re still, willin’
    Out on the road, on the campaign trail, tells ’em she’s honest, EPIC FAIL
    Clinton, hard bitten

    And she’s been from State House to US Senate
    Sec of State to Wall Street shill
    Tellin’ every kind of lie that’s ever been told
    Makin’ crass speeches, an’ pilin’ up gold
    And if you tell ’em, “think what’s at stake”
    Tell ’em “she’s not our kind”
    They’ll be willin’, to be sittin’

    They’ll be kicked in the head, taxed ’til they bleed
    All that’s dear burned down, while she’s screwin’ the pooch and they’re still, willin’
    Then she’ll open the gates to folks from Mexico
    They’ll fly their flags, but they’ll be the flags of Mexico, and they’re still

    And she’s been from State House to US Senate
    Sec of State to Wall Street shill
    Tellin’ every kind of lie that’s ever been told
    Makin’ crass speeches, an’ pilin’ up gold
    And if you tell ’em, “think what’s at stake”
    Tell ’em “she’s not our kind”
    They’ll be willin’, to be sittin’

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  286. I think in our shock and angst many of us have reacted too quickly,
    both the Perry’s and Jebs of the world.

    We, and they,
    should perhaps first simply point out the obvious:
    Trump has not won a majority of delegates,
    he has not won a majority of the votes,
    and especially so in states where it will count.
    He has more voters against him than for him even within the Republican primaries,
    and he has slandered the candidates that all of those others supported.

    Do not come out backing him
    Do not come out saying nevertrump

    Point out the facts above
    Say we are not convinced you have the support of the people of the party
    We are not convinced you have clearly stated policies the people of the party will support.
    And let the PACs do their thing independent of the candidates.
    Can Trump really close the deal,
    especially with Kasich out?

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  287. #NeverTrump

    Ever. Bring on Hillary, Bernie, or even Obama for a third term. I’ll be writing in “Zombie Reagan” again. Maybe the third time will be the charm.

    Stashiu3 (735f84)

  288. Read the link gor why this is such a bad idea. Trump serms to think America can use its laws to renegotiate debt the way he uses bankruptcy laws. He is a deceiver or an idiot, or both.

    Would that be better or worse than the Fed running negative interest rates?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  289. oops

    *food stamp’s* the first filthmerican president to have zero interest rates his whole presidency i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  290. Good to see you, Stash.

    Leviticus (c8fdf0)

  291. Hello, Stashiu. What a wonderful surprise. I miss you.

    DRJ (15874d)

  292. Trump talks about brazenly stupid policy that any sane person would reject – Trumpkins shout “3D Chess!”

    These are the Crazy Years

    SPQR (a3a747)

  293. Nehemiah Scudder 2016

    SPQR (a3a747)

  294. Stashiu classes up the joint. Thank you for posting.

    Simon Jester (f42edd)

  295. Thanks Leviticus. I’m not online much anymore, but do lurk here now and then. I expect some nastiness from the Trump supporters because that seems to be their go-to argument. They may believe what they want. I haven’t been a Republican for a long time, so their vitriol will fall on deaf ears.

    Stashiu3 (735f84)

  296. Much worse, papertiger. It would seriously hurt the bond and credit markets:

    That touches on the second amazing thing about Trump’s comments: he made them aloud and on television.

    Consider for a moment what would happen if President Obama, in an interview, let slip that his administration was considering a debt reduction strategy that involved stiffing the country’s creditors. The reaction in the bond markets would be immediate and furious, with Treasury securities being sold off at a steep discount as the rate on new issues would skyrocket. And that’s all without him making a single concrete move to put the plan into action.

    But maybe that’s what you want. Trump wants to get even with people and maybe you do, too. If you can’t be one of them, then hurt the investors, right?

    DRJ (15874d)

  297. When Sunglasses guy went up against Cruz in Indiana, that’s the same way I went at Melanie Sills when she would editorialize at the Bee. They eventually shadowed my comments so only I could see them.
    Eventually they shadowed so many people it took a toll on the computer end of their business shutting down comments all together.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  298. Hello DRJ, miss you. And Simon Jester. DRJ, you have been articulating my own thoughts exactly. I’m sure we are not alone.

    Stashiu3 (735f84)

  299. I’ll be writing in “Zombie Reagan” again. Maybe the third time will be the charm.

    Stashiu3 (735f84) — 5/7/2016 @ 9:11 am

    Since he is likely still on the ballot here, I’ll vote Cruz in the primary. But I’m writing in Zombie Adolf Hitler for the general. I may as well have a tiny bit of fun with it.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  300. So you’re saying it would be worse than negative interest rates on loans?

    SThe reaction in the bond markets would be immediate and furious, with Treasury securities being sold off at a steep discount as the rate on new issues would skyrocket.

    Sounds to me like people would be investing their money in private ventures instead of investing in government.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  301. Trump has wiped the Boosh family out of the picture. Buh Bye Neocons. When he takes out the grifters clinton it will be a better day for America. The scrambling of eggs is just beginning.

    mg (31009b)

  302. papertiger,

    I thought Janet Napolitano was from Arizona but she went to DC so I see your point. However, I don’t agree California is the Democrats’ dumping ground. California welcomes liberals and they go there because it is their idea of a good place to live. It is, because it’s beautiful and residents continue to support it with their tax money.

    DRJ (15874d)

  303. Stashiu’s back! Been a long time.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  304. Well, DRJ and Stashiu, you know the saying. A good con man utterly relies on the rubes to not know that they are the marks being fleeced.

    I used to be an amateur magician, and I loved “faking” psychic phenomena. The easiest people to fool were the folks who thought they were all smart and knew everything.

    And it takes me back to Orwell:

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/393527-some-ideas-are-so-stupid-that-only-intellectuals-believe-them

    Simon Jester (f42edd)

  305. well neocons serve a purpose, when the us govt was in a bearhug with saddam, that ended in the first gulf war, they were warning he wasn’t a reliable partner against iran,

    narciso (732bc0)

  306. Indiana had CCW at least by the early ’90s. It’s not Vermont but it’s not California either. If Sunglasses-and-goatee cannot get a gun in Indiana it’s because 1) he’s a felon, 2) a wife-beater, 3) a drug-addict, 4) committed in an in-patient facility as mentally ill, or 5) all of the foregoing. Not even Scalia would help him with that.

    Maybe with wife-beater. The Lautenberg Amendment is before the Court, I heard, but I have not been following it.

    nk (dbc370)

  307. Can we agree that East coast liberals who have porked up hold a high percentage among those few swimming against the flood of Californian’s scrambling to get out?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  308. Dzien Dobry, Stashiu!

    nk (dbc370)

  309. ah Simon, what isn’t fatuous intellectual sophistry these days, skydragons, a united europe,
    negative interest, ignorance of gaap standards, we are indeed in the crazy years, the center cannot hold in the uk, that was made clear in london yesterday.

    narciso (732bc0)

  310. The interest rates for local/state governments and private ventures to borrow money would skyrocket if the Treasury bond market went away, papertiger. Having the government underwrite the bond market keeps rates low because investors see it as a safe place to park their money, instead of investing in riskier ventures. Threaten to take that away and it will be like after Obama was elected, when investors hoarded their money and everyone suffered.

    DRJ (15874d)

  311. Mr. Trump is right and I think we all intuitively know that DRJ.

    The Treasury Department is as corrupt, incompetent and, most importantly, as politicized as any other department in the filthmerican government, so the idea that what they’re doing currently is optimal, wise, and good for the american people is silly on its face.

    And of course Mr. Trump knows that, which is why he says he’ll refinance American debt for to help this sad sick little country slip the noose of debt what food stamp’s put around her neck.

    Here’s but one look at what Mr. Trump is talking about. There’s TONS of thinking on this subject, but this one is pretty concise and still rather thorough. It examines the failmerican treasury’s mismanagement of debt issuance and points to a better way forward.

    My results show that the maturity structure of debt can be a powerful tool for managing the U.S. government’s long-term fiscal outlook. In my preferred strategy with diversification, lengthening the maturity structure could save the Treasury $424 billion in interest payments over the next ten years. More importantly, this strategy would also provide valuable insurance against rolling over large quantities of debt at high interest rates. If interest rates rise more quickly than expected, savings relative to the current policy baseline would be much larger. The changes needed to realize these savings do not require an act of Congress and could be implemented unilaterally by the Treasury department. The path of future interest payments is a policy decision, and there is compelling evidence that it should not be treated as fixed.

    Mr. Trump is signalling that he’ll embrace new and better strategies to strengthen failmerica’s parlous fiscal condition.

    Pee-stank isn’t signalling anything similar, is she? No she’s not.

    Pee-stank doesn’t want failmerica’s debt to be an issue in this campaign at all.

    advantage: Mr. The Donald

    happyfeet (831175)

  312. Stashiu,

    There is so much more I’d like to say but you know what I think of you and I’m glad to see you.

    DRJ (15874d)

  313. The bolded portion from happyfeet’s link:

    In my preferred strategy with diversification, lengthening the maturity structure could save the Treasury $424 billion in interest payments over the next ten years. 

    So Trump will refinance to pay less money over a longer term, which means we will pay even more interest in the long run and the interest rates for future borrowing will go even higher.

    I guess you’ve never had a mortgage if you can fall for this, because it is not a good thing — except for Trump so he can claim he “saved” monney over the next 10 years. Trump is saying he’ll put a chicken in every pot but you will pay twice as much for it over a longer term, and future chickens will cost twice as much.

    DRJ (15874d)

  314. In addition, investors will take their money out of the bond/chicken market. papertiger acknowledged that above when he said money woukdgo to the privste market. That’s if we’re fortunate. The investors will probably put it in their mattresses.

    DRJ (15874d)

  315. So you’re saying there’s no room for using debt issuance and refinancing strategies to improve the Treasury Department’s current management of debt issuance?

    I’m not persuaded this is the case.

    happyfeet (831175)

  316. nk,
    I do Ciebie mój przyjacielu

    Stashiu3 (735f84)

  317. I linked it above, happyfeet. The government already does this in its Redemption (Buy back) policy, but the investor has to voluntarily agree to refinance or redeem. How many investors will agree to sell back bonds for lower rates? None, which means Trump can only do this if he forces investors to sell. That’s illegal but Trump has been willing to suggest illegal policies in the past.

    By the wsy, America’s companies were sitting on $1.4T in cash last year and it may be up to $2T now.

    DRJ (15874d)

  318. In fairness, happyfeet, I have seen people use the redemption rules to sell higher-yield (than the market rate) bonds to the government, such as when the bondholder dies owning bonds with no named survivor. Those bonds have to be redeemed to liquidate the decedent’s estate and sometimes to pay taxes. But that doesn’t happen enough to pay even a fraction of the trillions we owe in debt.

    DRJ (15874d)

  319. simon, michael mann already practices something the ghostbusters would have thought fanciful, and it is enforced through auto de fe’s like what steyn has been put through, propaganda is is taught as history and literature,

    narciso (732bc0)

  320. Sitting on cash is a result of leftist policies, over-regulation, a hostile environment for business and a lack of trust and confidence in what has proven to be a very reckless administration.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  321. Absolutely no reason to believe ANY of that would change under teh Demoness Administration.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  322. papertiger:

    Can we agree that East coast liberals who have porked up hold a high percentage among those few swimming against the flood of Californian’s scrambling to get out?

    I guess so. I don’t know much about California, other than as a tourist, but I don’t know anyone in my neighborhood who wants to move there. I do have a friend whose daughter moved there because she wants to be an actress. She’s a beautiful girl but I don’t think she’s had much success.

    DRJ (15874d)

  323. there’s still some things Mr. Trump is prompting me to learn about DRJ for example where you say

    the investor has to voluntarily agree to refinance or redeem

    this is true but it’s a policy what has its trade-offs like any other

    when failmerica’s finances were in better shape bonds were issues with a call feature, and the change to non-callable bonds happened in a year where the fed funds rate was above 8%

    now we’re in an era of zero rates and the threat of negative ones

    I’m open to hearing ideas about whether or not a new series of callable bonds makes sense.

    But from my previous link I thought this was interesting too:

    The Treasury’s current policy is heavily influenced by the Treasury Borrowing Authorizing Committee, which meets quarterly to issue new guidance. The membership of this committee is comprised of senior executives from the nation’s largest investment funds and banks. Given that many of these firms are the Treasury’s largest customers, mismatched incentives of committee members may explain some of the reluctance to change policy.

    happyfeet (831175)

  324. i like chickens

    but you can buy them on sale and freeze them you know

    happyfeet (831175)

  325. Does Trump plan to change the rules? It would be nice if he would tell us.

    DRJ (15874d)

  326. yes yes Mr. Trump plans to change the rules

    happyfeet (831175)

  327. were *issued* with a call feature i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  328. Yeah. I’m all in. You’ve seen my hole card.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  329. teh hoar Clinton’s
    a security risk of
    teh Serious Kind

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  330. papertiger,

    If this website is right, then more people moved from Texas to California in 2010-2011 than any other state, but you are right that many were from the East Coast. Overall, however, it appears most were from surrounding states like Oregon, Washington, Nevada and Arizona. Also, there were more people migrating out than in.

    DRJ (15874d)

  331. “She’s been the total enabler. She would go after these women and destroy their lives,” Trump said. “She was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler, and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful.”

    (he’s talking about pee-stank)

    i love you Mr. Trump I love you more than beans

    please don’t let DRJ discourage you from making America great again

    happyfeet (831175)

  332. Protestor confronts Hillary on rope line: ‘You’re a murdering hoar!’

    No, wait… “You’re a murderer” is the correct quote, my mistake.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  333. The redemption rules are federal administrative laws that appear at 31 CFR Part 375. Treasury can change them after notice and comment. The Treasury has already changed the rules to let the government cash out bonds in order to pay federal pensions and it can change them again. It will help Goldman Sachs because they are in the businesx of finding ways to help people invest and protect money, and changes like this make investors look for new ways. Matress and safe salesmen like it, too.

    DRJ (15874d)

  334. Trump should patent the word “nasty,” happyfeet. He uses it a lot. Do you think he is OCD or has a cleanliness compulsion?

    DRJ (15874d)

  335. Marco stands in solidarity with #NeverTrump…

    NO MEANS NO: “Absolutely Not” Marco Rubio Won’t Be Donald Trump’s VP – or Call Him.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  336. not sure what the optimal policy is DRJ but I’m grateful Mr. Trump is taking a fresh look at these ideas and prompting a healthy discussion about America’s horrific debt and the practices and strategies used to manage it

    happyfeet (831175)

  337. you’d give him the dickens if he tried to patent the word “nasty” DRJ

    but sure let’s put that on the table

    happyfeet (831175)

  338. Of course, Chuck Schumer made him his bi+ch and he’s been searching for his cojones ever since.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  339. People are trying to decide which sh1t sandwich is sh1ttier: Hillary or Trump.

    Suppose the choice was Hillary or Webb or Romney or Trump?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  340. happyfet,

    Discussion is fine but it’s clear Trump is using the concepts he used in Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganizations — refinancing, reorganization, redemption — and applying them to our national debt. It seems more like shuffling the chairs on the Titanic than finding legitimate ways to pay off the debt, plus it doesn’t apply. There are no bankruptcy laws that apply to the federal government.

    DRJ (15874d)

  341. Good to see you, Stashiu3.

    MD in Philly (ef1d15)

  342. Webb who voted for Obamacare, even though he’s sad about it, Romney who well we’ve seen this movie before, and Red Queen, how much more warning do you need?

    narciso (732bc0)

  343. Why Trump’s U.S. Debt ‘Default’ Isn’t as Insane as It Sounds

    Trump’s comments get at the heart of the one big problem in the global economy: The ongoing accumulation of government debt that’s hamstringing growth and economic vitality. Just look at Japan’s multi-decade debt-deflation malaise. It’s time to at least consider how we could hit the reset button.

    yes yes Mr. Trump please keep this discussion going

    THANK YOU

    happyfeet (831175)

  344. Mr. Adelson said on Thursday that he had spoken to Mr. Trump recently, but did not elaborate about the timing or nature of their communication. He told another journalist that he thinks that Mr. Trump “will be good for Israel.”

    Mr. Adelson’s voice of support was particularly notable given that the Republican Jewish Coalition, a group he has funded heavily, suggested after Mr. Trump became the presumptive nominee that it is focusing mostly on preserving Republican gains in the House and the Senate.

    Also on Thursday, Gov. Pete Ricketts of Nebraska, whose family helped finance a “super PAC” devoted solely to stopping Mr. Trump, will endorse the Republican Party’s standard-bearer at an Omaha rally on Friday, an aide confirmed.

    Taylor Gage, a spokesman for the governor, said Mr. Ricketts would appear and give remarks at the event with Mr. Trump.

    The governor “has said for months that he would support the Republican nominee,” Mr. Gage said.

    Members of the Ricketts family donated millions of dollars to the Our Principles PAC and seeded its earliest efforts at denying Mr. Trump the nomination. The PAC is still active, but it spent lightly in the Indiana primary, which Mr. Trump won soundly on Tuesday night.

    Mr. Trump also won support from a former rival and the former Texas governor, Rick Perry, who told CNN on Thursday that he would try to help Mr. Trump and was open to being his vice-presidential nominee.

    Mr. Perry had carved out early territory in the presidential race last summer by describing Mr. Trump as a “cancer on conservatism.” But Mr. Trump essentially rolled over him, claiming him as an early victim of his own candidacy.

    Mr. Perry told CNN he would do everything he could to help Mr. Trump.

    Those endorsements came on the same day that the House speaker, Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, said he was not prepared to support the nominee yet. Mary Matalin, a former adviser to Dick Cheney, told Bloomberg Politics that she had switched her registration to Libertarian.

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/05/sheldon-adelson-says-he-will-support-donald-trump/

    Cheney breaks with Bushes, will support Trump he told CNN Friday

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  345. Kevin M, of those I’d vote for Webb.

    SPQR (e7b9a3)

  346. From happyfeet’s link:

    America and many other developed economies have a long history with credit defaults. It’s only in the modern post-war era that America’s sovereign debt has become sanctified, along with the elevation of the dollar to the status of global reserve currency of choice (replacing the British pound).

    We can default on our debt. Is sovereign default on Trump’s menu? If so, then he is definitely using his bankruptcy experience as avtemplate for governing America. His supporters are probably fine with that. Bankruptcy for everyone!

    Of course, forget about buying a house or evrn keeping your credit cards with big limits. Only people with lots of money will get those. Forget about luxury goods, too. Buying food will be a challenge.

    DRJ (15874d)

  347. If wishes were horses, we’d all be riding… some as cowboys, some bareback, some side-saddle.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  348. I wonder if Trump knows that not all Hispanics are Mexican.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  349. Trump’s comments get at the heart of the one big problem in the global economy: The ongoing accumulation of government debt that’s hamstringing growth and economic vitality. Just look at Japan’s multi-decade debt-deflation malaise. It’s time to at least consider how we could hit the reset button.

    yes yes Mr. Trump please keep this discussion going

    THANK YOU

    happyfeet (831175) — 5/7/2016 @ 10:46 am

    Wow. And here I thought govt. spending was a problem. Not any more! Even Bernie hasn’t said anything along those lines. Trump’s a genius.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  350. government spending is no good

    pee-stank wants to spend more and more and more to where we’re all like hey lady cut it the eff out with all your smelly spending

    but Mr. Trump, he is judicious about spending, and thank goodness for that

    happyfeet (831175)

  351. baby said she’d leave
    and get herself lost n’ found
    i prayed to the Lord

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  352. fell down on my knees
    laid down on teh railroad tracks
    bring my baby back

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  353. who wears brown lipstick
    while in teh corporate suite?
    Hillary that’s who

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  354. i hate her so much

    happyfeet (831175)

  355. she’s a bi+ch she’s a bi+ch she’s a bi+ch a hack
    she’s seldom sober as a matter of fact

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  356. government spending is no good

    pee-stank wants to spend more and more and more to where we’re all like hey lady cut it the eff out with all your smelly spending

    but Mr. Trump, he is judicious about spending, and thank goodness for that

    happyfeet (831175) — 5/7/2016 @ 11:14 am

    There’s something Trumpers and contradicting themselves. I thought Trump’s idea that got you all excited is that we can spend like a drunken sailor and then default on the debt.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  357. papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/7/2016 @ 9:06 am

    And one of the first ones dumped here was back in the 70’s iteration of Moonbeam,
    when he brought in Adrianna Gianturco (“The Giant Turkey” as her engineers at CalTrans fondly called her)
    to ruin the freeways of CA.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  358. I thought Trump’s idea that got you all excited is that we can spend like a drunken sailor and then default on the debt.

    no in fact this is a preposterous idea

    happyfeet (831175)

  359. I slip on the street
    an’ ima sniffin’ the air
    it don’t smell too good

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  360. here this is brilliant at least from a data “viz” perspective

    http://insideenergy.org/2016/05/03/listen-to-u-s-coal-production-fall-off-a-cliff/

    happyfeet (831175)

  361. You know what would be nice right now? A taco bowl from the Trump Grill.

    Hits the spot.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  362. in Mr. Trump’s heart every day is cinco de mayo

    so deeply does he love

    we’ve never had a president like him before

    he’s tough

    but so so loving

    he’s like the captain from the love boat just with more fuzz on top

    happyfeet (831175)

  363. Hoagie,
    I have a post at “8:55″ seriously asking your opinion, if you didn’t see it.

    MD in Philly (ef1d15)

  364. Bill H (971e5f) — 5/7/2016 @ 9:05 am

    The fact remains you will help elect Hillary.

    cedarhill (cf75f5)

  365. Trump judiciously spent himself into four waves of bankruptcy.

    But yeah, let’s take his fiscal prescriptions seriously, by all means.

    Leviticus (20f5af)

  366. Sweet, sweet sounds… http://youtu.be/64xyEzGR3u8

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  367. Mr. Trump understands the relationship between risk and reward on an almost visceral level. This is probably the only thing he has in common with weirdo mitt romney.

    The difference being he’s not a weirdo amoral pervert like mitt.

    happyfeet (831175)

  368. cedarhill (cf75f5) — 5/7/2016 @ 12:16 pm

    There is no way in Hell that Trump is going to carry CA come Nov (under present circumstances), so CA conservatives are free to do whatever they wish, as they cannot effect the outcome of those 55 Electoral Votes.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  369. there are could be recession

    there are could be indictment

    there are could be an oil spike

    there are could be enlightment

    Inshallah Trump

    happyfeet (831175)

  370. I just read your post, MD in Philly. Sorry, I was at lunch with my wife.

    I know several people with business bankruptcies but they have had only one. Trump has had four. I don’t have the time nor interest to read in depth to find out the what’s, whose, and why’s of each occurrence. But it is not beyond reality that a person with as many business operations as he has had and as may partners and investors could have gotten into trouble several times. To me it looks like when he loses interest or perhaps decides he no longer wants to do something he sees bankrupting it as a legitimate way out. That shows weak character to me because that is not what bankruptcy is for plus it harms other possibly innocent parties. I don’t find that acceptable.

    OTOH, if a person has a bankruptcy and makes an effort to try again I wouldn’t hold it against them. That said after the second bankruptcy anyone going into business with him was of the same character and trying to get over. They knew his record and participated anyway so who’s fault is that?

    I don’t think much of Trump, his character or even his business ability. He seems to have raised his children to be better humans than he is so that shows some character somewhere. To me though, he’s a pig and a bum. But Hillary is an anti-Christian communist. I’ve dealt with pigs and bums all my life. They’re easy to get around. But communists are on a holy mission to change the world. In a free society we’ll always have some pigs and bums but if Hillary wins America will continue to go so far left everybody will then become pigs and bums to survive.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  371. I don’t look forward to Hillary, Haiku, but I think I can live through it.

    DRJ, your comment makes me think of the metaphor of the frog in boiling water. As such, it bears keeping in mind that things started to really heat up back in November 2008 and — more gradually and generally — through the decades before then.

    BTW, the percentage of Americans who offer somewhat positive or quite positive ratings in opinion polls like Gallup to both the current president and the Democrat who hopes to replace him make me think many folks will not just “live through” a Hillary Clinton administration, they’ll enjoy it. And that, dear Americans, is why many of you (why many of all of us) are the proverbial frog sitting in the saucepan on the top of the stove.

    Mark (b2a63a)

  372. proverb frog says fortune favors the bold

    happyfeet (831175)

  373. I hear what you are saying, but I think you misjudge the guy. – Klaus Daimler

    … are you sure? (YouTube)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  374. Hoagie,
    No apology necessary by any means,
    I asked again just because there were many intervening posts and I was afraid you would miss it.
    Giving credit where it is due, I would agree that Trump’s children have done better than many who had opportunity to be rich and irresponsible.

    And I agree that HRC is a terrible threat to the country.
    Which is why, unless there is a truly viable 3rd party candidate I would vote for Trump as a vote against Hillary.

    That said, I think Trump characterizes much of the worst of our culture. He is willing to not bow to the PC crowd, but that is it,
    if you want someone to know what they think about a problem, will tell you what they will do,
    And actually stick to it,
    No way
    He is a particularly muddy pig.

    As I said before, he appeals to the darker angels, the ones who want to turn the tables and do the peeing on.

    MD in Philly (ef1d15)

  375. National Enquirer a not news source? Ask John Edwards.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  376. The fact remains you will help elect Hillary.

    cedarhill (cf75f5) — 5/7/2016 @ 12:16 pm

    Great! That coincides with the fact that I WILL NOT back Trump. Deal with that however you like.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  377. There is no way in Hell that Trump is going to carry CA come Nov (under present circumstances), so CA conservatives are free to do whatever they wish, as they cannot effect the outcome of those 55 Electoral Votes.

    askeptic (efcf22) — 5/7/2016 @ 12:43 pm

    Forget trying to explain that to non-Californians, Askeptic. They just don’t get it.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  378. proverb frog says he who hesitates is lost

    happyfeet (831175)

  379. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 5/7/2016 @ 3:31 pm

    I needed that laugh, Herr Oberst. Thanks.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  380. That’s possibly the best argument for Trump I have yet seen.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  381. Mark,

    The Clintons in power remind me of the frog in boiling water, too, but Trump reminds me of the frog and the scorpion. Pick your poison. And, please, Mark, enough lecturing on how terrible the world is. We get it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  382. Here’s an excerpt from Michael Krieger’s article of 5/4/16 in Liberty Blitzkrieg:

    Why Trump Winning the Republican Nomination is Good for American Democracy

    Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders have done America a great deal of good. By running from the political fringes, they have shattered status quo taboos and exposed the two party political system for the monumental sham it is. Whether you like either one of them is irrelevant. The truth about how undemocratic our elections actually are, and the disturbing overlap when it comes to establishment Republicans and Democrats needed exposing, and that’s exactly what’s happened this election season…

    ropelight (e509a2)

  383. and then the scorpion said thanks Mr. Frog see you later, enjoyed a deep breath of the crisp morning spring air, and headed forth on his journey to make america great again

    happyfeet (831175)

  384. I’ve never said that choosing Trump is bad for democracy as we know it, Ropelight. I’ve maintained that he was a bad choice, period. But bad for American style democracy? No. It proves the age-old belief that virtually anyone can eventually become President.

    Bill H (971e5f)

  385. 5 … you’ll see things that attract people like Drum.

    Drum isn’t attracted to Trump and I don’t think his post was entirely serious.

    Understand that MY objections to Trump are based on his many many defects of character, and some trepidation about his real objectives, not that the message he was bringing was terribly wrong.

    If the system doesn’t offer responsible advocates for certain popular positions people may turn to irresponsible advocates.

    James B. Shearer (667387)

  386. Opportunist seized opportunity. It’s business.

    nk (dbc370)

  387. And, please, Mark, enough lecturing on how terrible the world is. We get it.

    By the same token, DRJ, I can say “enough lecturing on how terrible the ballot choices in November are. We get it.”

    Mark (b2a63a)

  388. you get one chance in your life to thwart pee-stank’s desecration of america

    there’s no choice

    happyfeet (831175)

  389. I would take you more seriously, Mr. Feet, if you freaking voted.

    Instead, you run your mouth. And like to insult people in a vulgar fashion. And change your positions often, always in ways to try to seem like you know what you are talking about.

    Just a lot of hot air.

    Very much like a certain candidate for President.

    You are like bad graffiti on someone else’s wall.

    Simon Jester (f67876)

  390. The November election matchup has been clear for less than a week and you’re already tired of people complaining about it. Okay. Should we look back to see how long you have been pointing out squishiness in our comments?

    DRJ (15874d)

  391. I would take you more seriously, Mr. Feet, if you freaking voted.

    i don’t believe you

    happyfeet (831175)

  392. Like all people with strong, subliminal leftist tendencies, Mark is reflexively authoritarian when it comes to other people expressing ideas that do not tug at his heart strings.

    nk (dbc370)

  393. The November election matchup has been clear for less than a week

    DRJ, the “Trump is horrible, Hillary is less horrible” or “Hillary is horrible but Trump is worse” rhetoric goes back several months, well before Ted Cruz dropped out, before Bernie Sanders started getting more aggressive within his party.

    nk, your comments about Africa and European/white imperialism the other day, and prior to that comments of yours I vaguely recall back during the height of the Trayvon/Zimmerman controversy, along with your sometimes showing signs of being indignant when I’ve expressed disgust toward liberals or liberalism (particularly when I use those precise “L” words) — and I also believe your even apparently feeling resentful on one or two occasions when I’ve noted that Hitler was homosexual — do make me wonder what makes you tick.

    Mark (b2a63a)

  394. you should keep a notebook

    happyfeet (831175)

  395. we’re kind of already there,

    http://www.nysun.com/editorials/a-trump-default/89572/

    and red queen will dial it to eleventy,

    narciso (732bc0)

  396. do make me wonder what makes you tick.

    Coffee and cigarettes, mainly, and the occasional cinnamon Altoid. I only have two meals a day; I do not drink alcohol or soft drinks; and I do not snack.

    nk (dbc370)

  397. The right answer is that America has already defaulted on its debts — and it wasn’t on Donald Trump’s watch. It was when the Congress, which owns the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States, allowed the dollar to collapse to less than a 1,250th of an ounce of gold. It was at a 256th of an ounce of gold when President George W. Bush was sworn in, and an 853rd of an ounce of gold when President Obama acceded to the White House.

    wiscotrash paul ryan must be so proud of himself when he looks at his children

    happyfeet (831175)

  398. ??? Ok, gold standard is pretty kooky. Now I’m starting to believe that you might sincerely be a Trump supporter.

    Was there by any chance a humongous increase in industrial demand for gold? Like for things that start with “e” and and in “s” and the letters in-between are “lectronic”.

    nk (dbc370)

  399. good point but let’s just go with it anyway

    i’m feeling fiscally responsible tonight i got new pajamas

    happyfeet (831175)

  400. The best indicator of the value of the dollar is the McDonald’s menu. Some people have said it’s the Big Mac all by itself, but I can see how that could be a loss leader with McDonald’s making its money from the fries and polluted water.

    nk (dbc370)

  401. here’s a chart what suggests your hypothesis is definitely worth considering

    but this chart and this chart make me wonder if maybe there’s more at work here

    happyfeet (831175)

  402. The best indicator of the value of the dollar is the McDonald’s menu.

    i think the consequences of those pathetic minimum wager campaigns the union piggies have been organizing are screwing this up a lot

    price of a movie ticket might work better

    happyfeet (831175)

  403. no they’re probably messing that all up too

    happyfeet (831175)

  404. have you seen the price of milk, coffee, a whole host of staples, did you forget our hosts own musings about the gold standard, drinking of the water of lethe,

    narciso (732bc0)

  405. I was going to say taxes but the government is part of the economic environment. There is no such thing as a totally free market based strictly on supply and demand. Whichever part of your purchasing dollar gets kicked back to the people who print it, whether directly through taxes or indirectly through wage subsidies to their constituencies, is a reduction of its value in the exchange for the goods and services you are after the same as inflation.

    Which is why, if you trace your Big Mac from Texas, your French fries from Idaho, and your Coke from Iowa (corn syrup) all the way to your lap, you can see why it’s a good indicator. It takes in a lot of stuff you might not have thought of like the union dues of the truck driver, or the excise tax on the gasoline of the truck that transported the fertilizer to the corn field.

    nk (dbc370)

  406. Real Mexicans don’t eat frickin taco bowls

    Who doesn’t know that

    Reaganite Republican (98e37e)

  407. in 1980 the Quarter Pounder with cheese $0.80, the Big Mac $ 0.75
    regular fries $ 0.30 large order of fries $0.45

    Which brings us to the nitty gritty, do we as citizens of the United States aspire in future to be more than targets for ass f*$#ing?

    To vote for Trump is to not grab ankle.

    What’s your posture?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  408. Mitt Romney & William Kristol conspire and appoint to degrade themselves.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  409. if mitt romney gets any more slimy he’s gonna start leaving a trail like pee-stank

    happyfeet (831175)


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