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5/2/2016

Ted Cruz Confronts Trump’s Chumps In Indiana

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:01 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Given that truth and facts don’t matter to Trump supporters, some might think this was just a waste of time. But I don’t think so. Cruz was able to use the opportunity to clarify his positions, and correct the record about Trump’s claims. Although we’ve seen this same level of patience and composure from Cruz before while facing a hostile crowd, it nonetheless remains inspiring to watch, and admirable to see demonstrated in a candidate. And Cruz is right: Donald Trump would never stand before a hostile crowd like this and patiently respond to their direct attacks just to make sure his positions were clearly understood by the voters. Mostly because Trump doesn’t respect voters enough to do that, and also because he himself is apparently unsure of what it is, exactly, that he believes about any number of issues on any given day.

Ultimately, the Trump supporters validate Cruz’s claim at the end of the video:

With all respect, Donald Trump is deceiving you. He is playing you for a chump.

Watch the whole thing.

–Dana

96 Responses to “Ted Cruz Confronts Trump’s Chumps In Indiana”

  1. Trump would never do this because he is afraid.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  2. Donald Trump Is Not Prepared for the General Election
    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican presidential nomination may be in his sights, yet Donald Trump has so far ignored vital preparations needed for a quick and effective transition to the general election.

    The New York businessman has collected little information about tens of millions of voters he needs to turn out in the fall. He’s sent few people to battleground states compared with likely Democratic rival Hillary Clinton, accumulated little if any research on her, and taken no steps to build a network capable of raising the roughly $1 billion needed to run a modern-day general election campaign.

    Trump’s early campaign efforts, fueled so far by the sheer force of his personality and free media coverage, leave him with little choice but to rely on his party’s establishment allies — the Republican National Committee, above all — as the scale and scope of the 2016 contest grow exponentially. That’s even as he rails against his party’s establishment daily as corrupt.

    “He may be able to get by on bluster and personality during the primaries, but the general election is a whole different ballgame,” said Ryan Williams, a veteran of Mitt Romney’s presidential campaigns. “They’re essentially starting from zero heading into the general election.”

    Trump’s late start marks a sharp break from past Republican campaigns and that of Clinton, who is already beginning to shift resources to the November election. The Republican front-runner’s organizational disadvantage marks another warning sign for GOP officials who already feared he was unelectable this fall — even if he were well-prepared.
    http://fortune.com/2016/05/02/donald-trump-is-not-prepared-for-the-general-election/

    Torcer (f045ef)

  3. Dana
    Yes, he cannot debate Ted Cruz one on one, he can’t even deal adversarial media situations.

    Torcer (f045ef)

  4. Mr. Trump are not a deceiver that’s just what lucifer cruz wants you to believe cause he’s so desperate (looking at you carly-pup)

    it’s making him do bad judgements and hello Indiana is tomorrow!

    Mr. Trump isn’t even a little bit afraid – you know who’s afraid is Mr. Cruz. He’s afraid how everyone loves the wall – how big it will be! how high it will be!

    I tried watching all the way through but Mr. Cruz is so negative all he does is try to tear down Mr. Trump not trying to make unity.

    Shame on you Mr. Cruz I hope the Indiana people give you a reckoning and a comeuppance.

    And then you can drop out and stop being so negative all the time. It’s not healthy, picklehead.

    happyfeet (831175)

  5. *judgments* i mean

    happyfeet (831175)

  6. oh hell yeah

    oh my goodness i love it so much it’s dazzling

    happyfeet (831175)

  7. It appears that a large number of poorly educated Indiana-based, snaggle-toothed tweakers support Donald Trump. I watched the entire exchange and Mr. Sunglasses didn’t impress me as being anchored in reality. Cruz showed remarkable patience.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. Didn’t see this post when I cross-posted, but I’m leaving my own post on this up. But people should comment here.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  9. It appears that a large number of poorly educated Indiana-based, snaggle-toothed tweakers support Donald Trump. I watched the entire exchange and Mr. Sunglasses didn’t impress me as being anchored in reality. Cruz showed remarkable patience.

    +1

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  10. One thing that it is important to notice:

    Cruz is not trying to convince the dentally challenged Trumpeter of anything. His audience is undecideds.

    He may overestimate the intelligence of the average voter, but I’m still proud of the way he handles himself. He’s never let himself be dragged into the gutter, Rubio-style.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  11. As I said elsewhere,
    Somebody on Fox said the protester debated Cruz to a draw…
    I need to get a DVD player so my dad can watch John Wayne movies instead of Fox News…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  12. Well that guy sure was rude…

    Boris (77667e)

  13. Yes, he’s a better man than I,
    I would have lost it,
    I think.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  14. Somebody on Fox said the protester debated Cruz to a draw…

    I wouldn’t know. I do not watch Fox News.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  15. These are the people we should join with in November? I’ll join CPUSA first.

    I’ll you what, though. They are making me rethink my positions on the Second Amendment and abortion after the 75th trimester.

    nk (dbc370)

  16. I only do when I am with my dad – he watches
    Which is why I need to get a Dvd player
    Or rip to cable out of the wall….

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  17. These are the people we should join with in November? I’ll join CPUSA first.

    Yeah, there are a lot of people who say they may vote Hillary. Others prefer PNF/USA because at least it’s not CPUSA.

    Take your pick. Or be like me and pass on the whole thing.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  18. One failing of Cruz’s here: the annoying dramatic pauses he loves so much give the Trumpkins an opportunity to butt in with stupid rejoinders. In these settings, he might do better to adopt the cadence of a New Yorker and hold up a stubby forefinger while saying “Excuse me! Excuse me!”

    Otherwise a great job.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  19. It is mystifying to me why Cruz was even in a deep blue area the day before the primary. He wasn’t out getting undecided Republicans there.

    JD (52076d)

  20. The guy sounds to me like he’s an unemployed construction worker who’s already started on his first six-pack for the day but who blames his lack of employment on all those Mexican illegals getting all the good jobs. Thirty years ago it would have been the, ah, negroes.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  21. That’s a habit I cultivated during oral argument to give the Court an opportunity to interject questions so I could talk to them about things they wanted to hear instead of just restating my brief.

    nk (dbc370)

  22. Take your pick. Or be like me and pass on the whole thing.

    You should take this opportunity to vote Libertarian.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  23. a misallocation of resources, maybe he was trying to branch out of his niche, though,

    narciso (732bc0)

  24. does he like historical themed show, dramas,

    narciso (732bc0)

  25. You should take this opportunity to vote Libertarian.

    I have voted for libertarians before. The party is certifiably insane, but it sends a message of sorts.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  26. I find this too painful to watch. Sunglasses is completely impervious to any fact or argument. He knows one thing — “I like everything Trump says” — but cannot name anything but “the wall.” Cruz might as well be talking to a cat for all the good it does.

    I’m not sure this patience and feigned respect is even good politics. “You’re drunk and you’re stupid and you’re wasting my time” might be better received. But maybe this is why I’d be a terrible politician.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  27. The party is certifiably insane, but it sends a message of sorts.

    In fact, there is competition to be most insane. I remember a guy who argued that 3-year-olds should be able to choose whether to be sex workers. Thankfully, there was not a lot of agreement.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  28. I’m not sure this patience and feigned respect is even good politics. “You’re drunk and you’re stupid and you’re wasting my time” might be better received. But maybe this is why I’d be a terrible politician.

    Voters are very touchy. I think he did just right.

    It’s kind of like how I make fun of Trumpeters here. People have this attitude like: “Patterico, you’re not winning a lot of votes with that mockery.” And my response is: “Good thing I’m not the candidate!”

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  29. It is mystifying to me why Cruz was even in a deep blue area the day before the primary. He wasn’t out getting undecided Republicans there.

    If Indiana allocates delegates by congressional district then each Republican vote in such an area is worth many times that of a Republican vote in a more conservative area.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  30. Ropelight, caught on camera!

    JD (52076d)

  31. What was that? Is there an idea behind walking the precinct searching for a squad of Trump troopers?

    It’s lucky he happened by what must be one of the few corners in Indiana where pedestrians come complete with card grade Trump posters.

    Unless Ted picked his opponent ahead of time. That way you get a mono syllabic slope headed snaggel tooth, for Cruz to debate with everytime. You notice how the guy was sort of cowering behind his Trump sign.
    Nice touch.

    Put up job.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  32. You keep thinkin, Butch. That’s what you’re good at.

    Leviticus (6ea25f)

  33. ropelite forgot to ask Ted Cruz why he kidnapped Lindbergh’s baby, and why he takes pleasure in drowning puppies.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  34. Trump promises to make America’s Teeth Great Again.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  35. it really has gotten silly, beck’s theocratic trapping and this fool, to cite two examples, I’m sure you find some wisdom is sullivan’s latest cry for help, something out of that obscure frank miller dystopian tale, give me liberty’s president rexall.

    narciso (732bc0)

  36. Trump says that our trade policies toward China have been lacking teeth.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  37. Senator Cruz, are you still planning to end ethanol subsidies in the middle of your second term?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  38. On the subject of Donald and the 2nd amendment:

    ‘Obama SPOKE for ME and EVERY AMERICAN’ – Trump LOVED Barry’s gun-grabbing Newtown speech!! http://therightscoop.com/obama-spoke-for-me-and-every-american-trump-loved-barrys-gun-grabbing-newtown-speech/

    But it’s not like he’s changed his mind before and might change it back, right?

    Torcer (f045ef)

  39. Mr Trump, are you still planning to never end ethanol subsidies?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  40. Watching this incident convinces me that HRC is either going to have to hide in a bunker until mid-November, or there will be multiple incidents fully documented on YouTube where she goes absolutely nuts on an idiot Trumpkin who has only managed to get out a fraction of what Cruz tolerates here without losing it. She can’t even deal with a relatively polite Sanders voter who dares to annoy her–what’s she going to do in this kind of incident? I’m not saying it will cost her the general election, but it *will* damage her, and significantly.

    M. Scott Eiland (9fd59f)

  41. Mr Trump, speaking of subsidies, why did you choose to subsidize Hillary’s 2008 Presidential campaign? And why did you choose to subsidize Harry Reid’s 2010 Senate campaign?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  42. That’s the spirit. Don’t give up hope.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  43. well it’s a mixed picture,, the chronology is off since she wasn’t picked till the end of august,

    http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/donald-trump.asp?cycle=08

    narciso (732bc0)

  44. Papertiger is never content to just smear. When proven it is a smear, and based on a lie, he just waits a week and trots it back out again.

    JD (52076d)

  45. Mr Trump, once you become President, will TrumpCare provide dental coverage for your supporters?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  46. When does your guy plan on ending the subsidies, tiger?

    JD (52076d)

  47. Papertiger, that Trump supporter matches the IQ of the ones tweeting me insults currently to a “T”

    SPQR (a3a747)

  48. neither side is covering themselves in honor,

    narciso (732bc0)

  49. What was that? Is there an idea behind walking the precinct searching for a squad of Trump troopers?

    It’s lucky he happened by what must be one of the few corners in Indiana where pedestrians come complete with card grade Trump posters.

    Unless Ted picked his opponent ahead of time. That way you get a mono syllabic slope headed snaggel tooth, for Cruz to debate with everytime. You notice how the guy was sort of cowering behind his Trump sign.
    Nice touch.

    Put up job.

    I will bet you real American money that if a genuine journalistic outlet does a story on the identity of the person, and can determine whether he is a real Trumper or a fake, they will find he is a real Trumper.

    $250 max. You choose the amount. Put up or shut up.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  50. At least papertiger can see that Sunglasses lost the argument. Badly. That’s why papertiger has to claim it’s phony.

    He could be like the cable TV talking heads and claim it was a draw, or that Sunglasses won. No, seriously. People tell me that Actual TV Analysts said these things today.

    Shame is dead.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  51. I know this isn’t an open thread but every once in a while, still, America was what it used it used to be.

    The Mighty Ninety.

    http://mighty90.com/The_Mare_Island_Photos.html

    Back when Mare Island was still part of the United States.

    Steve57 (412496)

  52. neither side is covering themselves in honor,

    How so,

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  53. Patterico, he won’t take the bet because, you see, that was papier mache tiger in the video.

    John Hitchcock (0b0efb)

  54. never it looks like

    Here’s proof that DT attacked TC for not supporting ethanol subsidies.

    But it’s gone. Where did the evidence go?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  55. Trump attacks Ted Cruz for not supporting ethanol – American Thinker blog.

    With the other link to the video being the evidence, the missing evidence.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  56. A few minutes after wildly asserting that Sunglasses was a plant by the Cruz campaign, papertiger wants to change the subject and relitigate the Iowa caucuses.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  57. Bet offer ignored. Looks like someone lacks the courage of their convictions. Knock me over with a feather.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  58. take rick wilson and ken williamson, the latter are willing to consider euthananasia on communities like the appalachia, there there’s the luned example,

    narciso (732bc0)

  59. narciso, euthanasia? Wut?
    Alex, can I get “17th century Albanian poetry” for $500, please?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  60. So papertiger, you admit that Trump supports ethanol subsidies, and would never end them, so why did you ask “Senator Cruz, are you still planning to end ethanol subsidies in the middle of your second term?” In the middle of the second term is surely better than never.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  61. I’ll you what, though. They are making me rethink my positions on the Second Amendment and abortion after the 75th trimester.

    Let’s compromise: abortion is only permitted before the second trimester and then again after the fifty-sixth trimester.

    I’m kind of stealing that from P.J. O’Rourke: “Relax, honey. I’m in favor of abortion too. As long as it’s retroactive.”

    JVW (eabb2a)

  62. Well? It is phony.

    It’s at least as phony…. Like Johnny Carson climbing in the ring for a round with Muhammad Ali, back in the day.

    Put up job. For show. Sham.

    Sign the papers old man.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  63. papertiger’s angry at Iowa for rejecting his idol.
    Face it, papertiger, The Mr Donald’s just too corny for Iowa.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  64. Sign the papers old man.

    Ha. Does that mean you accept? Email me then.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  65. There is nothing more fake than papier mache tiger’s integrity.

    John Hitchcock (0b0efb)

  66. At 47 I do feel old. And yet young, too. Does that make sense?

    How much older am I than papertiger for him to call me an old man?

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  67. Was it Holyfield that Romney. Yeah.

    Mitt Romney vs Evander Holyfield

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  68. All I did yesterday was play with my children. Teach my daughter to drive and ride bikes with her at the beach. Play one-on-one with my son, and race him in a sprint (he won), and fly a remote control X-wing, etc.

    Ah, so youthful I am! But my legs hurt today. So, not so much. papertiger may be right.

    But I had a wonderful Sunday.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  69. Less commenting, more emailing, papertiger. My email address is on the right sidebar.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  70. Sign the paper old man was free association. Someone needs to sign a release of liability if you have a pro boxer fighting a politician twice his age.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  71. Or if you have your average street drunk debating Ted Cruz.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  72. Heads up, paper:

    conservativetreehouse.com is not a media organization

    breitbart,com is not a media organization

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  73. Sign the paper old man was free association.

    Ah. So you are ducking my challenge then.

    That shows wisdom.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  74. Also I played HORSE with my son and lost. I taped him making some amazing basketball shots, mostly in slow motion.

    One was beyond half-court.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  75. papertiger, Donald Trump is not your “average street drunk.”
    He’s a billionaire. Who has YUGE hands!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  76. but buzzard feed, politico, no they are just appendages of the journolist, which in turn are the media arm of the soroscorp,

    narciso (732bc0)

  77. Vigorous game of Sandoku is about as athletic as I get. Two for ten from the foul line.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  78. Although we’ve seen this same level of patience and composure from Cruz before while facing a hostile crowd, it nonetheless remains inspiring to watch, and admirable to see demonstrated in a candidate.

    He’s easily the best of all the candidates, and next to frat-boy and “Shrillery”, the most dignified and mature of the bunch. His voice, however, does have a nasally, somewhat high-pitch quality about it, which is a challenge to any person striving to communicate as forcefully and effectively (and appealingly) as possible.

    I watched a video of him appearing with Carly Fiorina in Indiana yesterday, the one where she introduces him and then apparently tripped and fell, witnessed by a crowd that apparently was rather subdued and modest.

    I feel bad for the two, putting up a valiant effort in this era of freaks and flakes.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  79. Or if you have your average street drunk debating Ted Cruz.

    papertiger (c2d6da) — 5/2/2016 @ 9:53 pm

    So, the average street drunk is the average Trump supporter? Obnoxious, rude, incapable of cogent thought?

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  80. Old, Patterico? You young pup.

    I won’t tell you to enjoy your children now. You know that lesson, my friend.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  81. just mailed in my paperw*rk to change my voter registration, so i can vote for Bernie in June here in #Failifornia

    redc1c4 (018028)

  82. Indiana allows felons to vote as long as they are not incarcerated. Even if they are on parole or probation. The NCIS database is a different matter. Felons, addicts, the mentally ill, or persons under a domestic violence protective order cannot own guns. Couple this with the fact that Indiana is pro-RKBA — it had concealed carry long before Heller or MacDonald — and I’ll bet you that he is a “prohibited person” under one or all of the above categories. For him the Second Amendment means guns for scum.

    nk (dbc370)

  83. nk (dbc370) — 5/3/2016 @ 1:41 am

    ???

    redc1c4 (018028)

  84. NICS! NICS!
    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/fact-sheet

    NCIS was a TV show with good actors wasted on ridiculous screenplays.

    nk (dbc370)

  85. There’s a case before the Supreme Court right now, I believe, on the constitutionality of the Lautenberg Amendment (domestic violence) prohibition?

    nk (dbc370)

  86. That’s happyfeet in the video.

    Paperpussy is a poltroon.

    Mitch (bfd5cd)

  87. We need to settle on a term for the really mockable, idiotic, chanting, hooting Trump supporters.

    I like “Trumpanzee.” “EE-EE-OOH-AH-AH,” they shriek, as they throw poop.

    Mitch (bfd5cd)

  88. Yep… pregnant pauses around a wise-ass don’t work well. Especially when the wise-ass rocks back and forth on his legs like a prizefighter with a full bladder.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  89. “A question that everyone should ask…” says Cruz
    “Are you Canadian?” says ropelight.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  90. Unfortunately, Cruz is the easiest straightman ever, with those pauses that practically beg for smartass remarks.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. At least the Republican Party got its next “Joe the Plumber” out of the deal. We can call him, like… Reggie the Pizza-Sign Spinner.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  92. With Trump now touting JFK assassination nonsense from the National Enquirer, is there truly any insane thing left for Trump to say?

    Trumpkins are truly even dumber than I thought.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  93. The quality of the audio is poor, but I think I managed to get every word, including Ted Cruz saying “racist” when he meant “rapist” (referring to Mike Tyson)

    This doesn’t work, because the protester is convinced that Ted Cruz is trying to put something over him.

    What Ted Cruz (or anybody) should do in this situation, where he knows whhat the questions are going to be, or at least some of them, is come prepared with

    1) A few large photocopies of news articles – showing Donald Trump said X Y or Z.

    2) A web page where thes ethings are dealt with,

    3) A QR code for that web page.

    I noticed that Ted Cruz wasn’t loud and didactic now. Also very interesting, he was prepared for an attack from the left, about bombing womnen and children.

    Not everything Ted Cruz said was entirely accurate. Donald Trump probably did not exactly mean to say go out of your way to bomb women and children – that he said we shouldn’t care is a better way to interpret that. It’s fair to say maybe Donald Trump would cut a deal about appointment of justices – Chris Christie did finally after 6 years during which Democrats in the New Jersey state Senate refused to hold a hearing. But he did finally toss out a few names of whom he would at least try to appoint. Donald Trump was never in trouble for emoploying illegal immigrants. It wasn’t illegal when he did it. That was before Simpson Mazzoli. He was in trouble for paying below the minimum wage, or letting a subcontractor do that, around 1980. He was sued and eventually settled the last time he ran for president. That was a very old case by then. There was no judgment.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  94. SPQR (a3a747) — 5/3/2016 @ 10:02 am

    With Trump now touting JFK assassination nonsense from the National Enquirer, is there truly any insane thing left for Trump to say?

    As long as somebody else said it first, and it redounds to teh disadvantage of his political opponents, I am not sure.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)


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