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Here We Go Again

Filed under: General — JVW @ 5:41 pm

[guest post by JVW]

Per tradition on May 1, the far left takes to the streets to celebrate the workers holiday of May Day, a tradition established in the late 19th century by socialist, communist, and anarchist groups — you know, the same people that made the 20th century so lucrative to the military industrial complex. Now largely organized and celebrated by labor unions and the open borders crowd, the holiday is usually marked by parades in large urban areas, some of which can very easily go awry.

Here in Los Angeles, the May Day demonstrations have unsurprisingly been taken over by advocates for higher wages and amnesty for illegal immigrant groups. While this militancy mixed with radicalism leaves a sour taste among many of those who otherwise might have sympathy for the plight of those who come here to escape their dysfunctional homelands, bold ethnocentric demonstrations have frankly become commonplace in the Age of Obama. Here’s a photo from today’s downtown Los Angeles rally, taken by Los Angeles Dog Trainer Pulitzer Prize-winning photojournalist Rick Loomis:

Note the prominence of a foreign nation’s flag — a foreign nation, it should be noted, whose government has been actively working for years to undermine U.S. immigration policy. Use of the Mexican flag by Latino activists in California is a controversial topic, with debate raging whether it is a sign of hostility to assimilation or merely a relatively benign declaration of ethnic pride. However, the upside-down display of the flag of the United States can hardly be seen as anything other than a provocation by leftists seeking to harshly criticize the country of their residence.

I’m a self-described squish on immigration: I like to think that if I lived in some dysfunctional third world hell hole that I would be desperate to come to a nation that values (or at least used to value) hard work and the rule of law, but I also know that not everyone who comes over the border respects and honors the traditions and characteristics of this country. For the life of me I don’t see any possibility that the militant and assertive identity politics grievance mongering of the left will win over people like me to the cause of amnesty as a key part of immigration reform. Yet the leaders of the immigration far left are so confident in the righteousness of their cause and in its inevitability that they are apparently just fine with driving people like me away since I refuse to endorse the more radical aspects of their cause. So be it.


103 Responses to “Here We Go Again”

  1. The radicals have played the long game for years, knowing that the longer they prevent any sort of immigration reform the better the terms of surrender they will be able to force upon the rest of us.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  2. Aaah, Hispanic pride!

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  3. We WERE a nation who welcomed immigrants with SIMILAR backgrounds. Until the immigration act of 1965 was passed to make America less white and less European. We white devils had to be diminished to the point of extinction because we are all racists and racism had to be eradicated. The Immigration Act of 1965 was racial profiling. The quantity has increased dramatically and QUALITY has decreased. The multicultural/diversity scam was pushed to make white America accept what was being done and to instill shame if you objected. America became strong through assimilation, not diversity. Suddenly we were to believe its opposite would be true? We have allowed this to go on for fifty years because the left also perfected the art of name calling and smearing so anyone who objected to national suicide was automatically deemed a KKK sympathizer and a white supremacist. An immigration policy deliberately eliminating white people is not?

    We are NOT a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of CITIZENS. “Immigrant” has always been a temporary condition until the incoming people assimilated and became American. The problem now is that there are two groups who NEVER assimilate. These are Muslims and the Central Americans, and our masters in Washington are dead set on bringing in as many of those two groups as possible. It will mean national suicide, and that is why there are so many of us out here in paycheck America that have a dim view of the parties, the pundits and the propaganda media who keep pushing this lunacy.

    The difference between yesterday and today is not a lack of assimilation.
    The immigrants I mentioned needed no assimilation because it was Americas values, the freedoms guaranteed by The Constitution and Bill of Rights which drew them here in the first place. They longed to live life with these values before they ever arrived.

    The Hispanic immigrants stopped coming here for opportunity and assimilation decades ago. Now they come to partake of the generous public welfare and assistance programs for themselves and steal low end jobs by doing under the table work enabling them to send billions back home each year which drains billions of American dollars from our economy and supports those of foreign countries.

    The Muslim immigrants also reject our values. As a matter of fact our values are against their religion. They do not come here to live the American dream but to depose it. They are not here for a better life they are here to wage a war. They represent a fifth column that serves the interest of another nation. That nation is the Islamic State.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  4. ‘You sneak in, you get to stay” is not an immigration policy.
    It is a death sentence for any country that allows it.
    If you understand that, you understand the appeal Trump has to the average American.
    That’s: average American ‘citizen”.

    kobeclan (fe8729)

  5. I live on the border in a county that is predominantly Hispanic, in a region that is predominantly Hispanic, in a State that will likely be predominantly Hispanic soon. I see people every day who were desperate to come to America, some of whom came legally and some who didn’t.

    There are ways to come legally but it takes hard work and discipline. Once they get here, those people generally make good citizens because these qualities make them good citizens. Other people look for shortcuts to get here, and those people may take illegal shortcuts in other areas of their lives. If so, they are not as likely to be good citizens.

    I understand being grateful for our good fortune as Americans and wanting to help the less fortunate, but we should focus our resources on reputable religious and international charities instead of perverting our immigration system because we want to feel better about ourselves.

    DRJ (15874d)

  6. One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

    The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

    The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

    All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

    All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

    The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

    Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

    There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

    nk (dbc370)

  7. This immigration has been going on for about 30 years (since the last amnesty) and it has been tacitly allowed by both parties. We are now at the point where the citizen children of long-term illegals are voting in large numbers in the border states, and this can control as many as 100 electoral votes. It’s not so much that they will force a surrender as they will force a settlement, whatever the form.

    Maybe it could have been stopped back in the 90’s if the national GOP had backed Governor Wilson and 60% of Californians who passed Prop 187 — which attempted to make California inhospitable to illegal immigration. But they did not, the courts threw it out, and that was that.

    Twenty years later the national GOP has awakened but California is done. Forty percent of CA residents are now of Central American ancestry. A lot of people in California are no longer interested in slamming the barn door shut. Won’t help.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  8. After reading this, and Cinco de Mayo just around the corner, I’m seeing Trump’s numbers go up. It couldn’t be more timely.

    I’m also sympathetic to those who want a better life and opportunities for their children. But, if an adult truly values and respects us for the opportunities our country provides, it would seem natural for them to then want to protect and preserve our ability to keep on providing those opportunities and advantages to them, and people like them. Entering illegally shows not only a disrespect to the rule of law, but also demonstrates that they really don’t value what it is we can offer. How then would they be appreciative of that which that have simply taken rather than worked for?

    Dana (0ee61a)

  9. Interestingly the one group who has been consistently pro American, pro Freedom and pro free market, the Cuban exiles/refugees are the ones being screwed. But screwing our friends while helping our enemies is nothing new to the Obamunist/leftist/communist cabal running the nation.

    Filmmaker and American citizen Agustin Blazquez never thought his native Cuba would become a communist country, but now he sees the same radical shift happening in America.

    In this exclusive video interview for The Daily Caller News Foundation, he says the left has been clever by using “very non-threatening words,” like liberal, progressive and concerned citizens, for advancing government control of American lives. The truth about Cuban politics is hard to find because of media spin and propaganda dominating American discourse.

    For Blazquez, watching American youth embrace avowed socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders for president, strikes him as “absurd.” It is the end result, he says, of the cultural marxist education and media propaganda that has anesthetized too many Americans who do not defend the values that made America exceptional.

    Watching President Barack Obama travel to Cuba, he says, made him “want to throw up.” This was a “betrayal to victims of communism,” the filmmaker of “Covering Cuba” says. Blazquez adds there are “so many [Nelson] Mandelas” in Cuban prisons, who are tortured, denied medical attention and abused. Yet, prominent black elites from America, including most incredibly to him, the Congressional Black Caucus, are wined and dined by the political elites but are blind to their “betrayal of blacks in Cuba.”

    Read more:

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  10. Not everyone who comes to this country, legally or illegally, seeks work. But most do. Most people who uproot themselves from everything they know, to travel to a place that speaks another language and doesn’t want them all that much, are doing so because they want to have a better life — or at least get that for their children.

    These people are natural Republicans. Left alone, neither pushed nor pulled, they would react well to a message of self-reliance and responsibility. Sadly, they are not left alone, and nearly everything that can be done to drive them into the Democrat Party is done. Not only does the bureaucracy attempt to make them as dependent as possible, but the GOP seems to go out of its way to demonize them. Trump is only one example.

    Instead we should be talking about assimilation — the need to meld cultures. Not just that immigrants accept the dominant culture, but that they bring what is good about their own culture and add to ours. The whole multicultural experiment has been an unmitigated disaster wherever it has been tried. THIS is what we should be opposing. It isn’t “The Melting Pot” if no one is willing to melt.

    And in the end, what you get are, as Hoagie says, CITIZENS of the dynamic country that is the United States. The reason that the US is the indispensable country, that we are unique among nations, is not because we are rich, or strong, or good, but because we are descended from people who CHOSE to come together and build a common nation of free people.

    And the people who don’t want us to be free are the same people who don’t want our cultures to merge. This isn’t an accident.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  11. The lie of diversity:

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  12. I’m a self-described squish on immigration

    I admit that I too would be rather easygoing about immigration (even illegal, although within reason) if much of it didn’t pertain to societies whose demographics reflect the following dilemma.

    It also doesn’t help that the socio-political bent of most cultures south of the US border is very similar to that which permeates urban or blue-state America, or a mindless, aimless form of liberalism. A way of thinking and voting that forces various people, when totally exasperated about being stuck in a never-ending dysfunctional environment (economically and socially), to not rely on the polling booth to bring about positive change, but to rely on their feet and the moving van., September 2015: The new wave of tests, given in California and elsewhere, provide a more accurate gauge of academic skills, according to experts who support the system. If they are right, then the problem facing black and Latino students, which already was considered serious, is of greater magnitude.

    Although scores declined for all students, blacks and Latinos saw significantly greater drops than whites and Asians, widening the already large gap that was evident in results from earlier years, according to a Times analysis. Under the previous test, last given to public school students two years ago, the gap separating Asian and black students was 35 percentage points in English. The gap increased to 44 percentage points under the new test. Asian students’ results dropped the least on the new tests, which widened the gap between them and those who are white, black or Latino, the analysis showed. White students also maintained higher relative scores than their black and Latino peers.

    The results of the new tests should sound an alarm, if one was needed, said Bill Lucia, of the Sacramento-based advocacy group EdVoice. “There’s a problem and it’s not, per se, the test,” Lucia said. “There is something going on here when you talk about the difference in the size of the gap, particularly in math.”

    In that subject, 69% of Asian students achieved the state targets compared to 49% of whites, 21% of Latinos and 16% of blacks. In math, the percentage of Asians who met state targets declined 12%. White students went down 21%, Latinos 50%, black students 54%. More than half the students who took the test were Latino.

    The phrase “demographics is destiny” will become more and more obvious vis-a-vie the future of the US if its populace increasingly reflects what’s described above—made much worse — far worse — by a corrosive, corrupting liberal-left political scene, the type found all over the world.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  13. We WERE a nation who welcomed immigrants with SIMILAR backgrounds. Until the immigration act of 1965 was passed to make America less white and less European.

    Actually, the Act of 1965 was the first time numerical limits were placed on immigration for the Americas. There were programs before that for Mexican temporary workers, but they were not there to limit immigration but to set rules against mistreatment of immigrant farm labor. Up until 1965 there were no quotas on Latin American immigration.

    So, yes, there were limits put on in 1965, and they affected Europeans as well*, but it wasn’t to the advantage of Latin Americans.

    * one of the reasons numerical limits were becoming necessary was that travel had become too easy. When you had to board a boat to cross the Atlantic the numbers that could come in had natural limits. By 1965 it was clear that air travel would quickly make this notion obsolete.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  14. but the GOP seems to go out of its way to demonize them

    Republican Karl Rove made that point several years ago. The only problem is people like him overlook the fact that a desire for left-leaning governance and left-leaning politicians transcends any one issue or controversy.

    Mexico, for example, presumably doesn’t have public figures clashing on and arguing about illegal immigration into their borders, but that nation’s electorate is no less firmly of the left, always favoring the PRI, its version of the Democrat Party, decade after decade, and always marginalizing PAN, its version of the Republican Party, decade after decade.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  15. The Mexicans in America rarely ever celebrate America and how America has provided them with a better life than they would have had in Mexico. They never parade in the streets and give thanks to the gringos who’ve hired them.
    That’s a real problem.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  16. The Archbishop of the Diocese of Los Angeles, Jose Gomez, who happens to be a native of Mexico, makes a great point about one of the major problems of illegal immigration. By using the United States as an escape valve for the problem of intractable poverty and lack of work in their own countries, these Latin American governments get to avoid doing the hard work to reform their societies to create jobs and opportunity for all of their citizens. They are also pushing away many of their citizens who have the best work ethic. Of course, as more and more Latinos leave the Catholic Church, maybe this message won’t get any traction.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  17. 9.Not everyone who comes to this country, legally or illegally, seeks work. But most do. Most people who uproot themselves from everything they know, to travel to a place that speaks another language and doesn’t want them all that much, are doing so because they want to have a better life — or at least get that for their children.

    I think I see what you are saying in those few sentences, Kevin M. You’re saying most immigrants come here in good will to improve themselves and the country. The problem is you’re describing the country and the immigrants of fifty years ago, not today.

    Then you say “these people are natural Republicans”. Unfortunately people who come from socialist or semi-socialist South American countries have no idea what a Republican is and are in every way from education to health care democrat material.

    Instead we should be talking about assimilation — the need to meld cultures. Not just that immigrants accept the dominant culture, but that they bring what is good about their own culture and add to ours.

    Incorrect and opposing statements. Assimilation is not “melding cultures”. The immigrant assimilates when he accepts OUR culture and no longer practices his former culture. If we want him to “bring what is good about their own culture” I submit they open a ethnic restaurant and leave their socio-political views in Bolivia.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  18. Also, JVW, who is left to fight for their country and its values if everyone leaves? The ruling class remains in power, and the people remain trapped by their form of a caste system. How can they have a civil war if there is no one to fight it?

    Dana (0ee61a)

  19. Matter of fact, had there been no illegal immigration, the number of Mexican immigrants in the United States over 30 years would have been a few million total (the quota for Mexico is about 140,000/year now, and it was under 50,000 before the 1990s).

    So, it wasn’t the 1965 Act that destabilized demographics, but the unreasonable expectations that such a low number of legal immigrants would satisfy demand from our poor neighbor. It’s almost as if it was designed to fail.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  20. Hoagie–

    I think that you’re mistaken when you describe Mexico as “socialist”. It’s a lot closer to robber-baron era America than to Venezuela. Yes, there are some public services, but it’s run by and for a very small group of the elite rich, and the Rule of Law depends greatly on who has guns.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  21. JVW, I really enjoy having debates with friends of mine who are open borders types.

    I ask them about the policies of Mexico regarding illegal immigration. It’s not hard to find them. Here is one.

    Then I say to them: I want you to say that we are a better nation, because our laws are kinder to illegal immigrants.

    Their heads nearly explode, because this isn’t about facts. Once again, it is about Narrative.

    Simon Jester (36ff6e)

  22. well pena nieto, who is closer to their version of tony blair, has liberalized certain aspects of the economy, the pan, the counterparts to the gop, has been the most recalcitrant,

    meanwhile baghdad is falling from the inside, on the 13th of ragab,

    narciso (732bc0)

  23. these Latin American governments get to avoid doing the hard work to reform their societies

    But many of those nations are democratic enough that a lot of blame does rest upon the shoulders of their populace. In that regard, people fleeing from societies like Mexico remind me of liberals in blue-state America or urban America who are partly (if not largely) responsible for the socio-economic quagmires that even they may eventually grow weary of. So they vote with their feet, perhaps by moving to a so-called red state or purple urban area, but when election day rolls around, they vote in the exact same manner when plucking the chads on their ballot.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  24. Hoagie–

    There has not yet been an immigrant wave into America that did not inject some of its culture into the country. The Italians (good food), the Irish (I will bet you drink on St Paddy’s Day) — and both brought their Church to the annoyance of the WASPs, the Scandinavians (visit Minnesota), the Jews, the …. I could go on. Every one of them has changed the culture AS they assimilated. It is never a one-way street. Only a fool would expect otherwise.

    At every point the incumbents disliked the newcomers, sometimes going so far as to offer Constitutional amendments to hamper them, or even outright and widespread discrimination.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  25. The Mexicans in America rarely ever celebrate America

    I’ve noticed that various immigrants from Mexico or other foreign lands who don’t respond in that way but instead with the ethos of “when in Rome, do as the Romans do” tend to lean right socially and politically. They rarely, if ever, are devout liberals.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  26. What goes around comes around. Imagine how the “Mexicans” of California felt in 1849. The invasion California should have stopped was the flower children in the ’60s and ’70s.

    nk (dbc370)

  27. The Mexicans in America rarely ever celebrate America and how America has provided them with a better life than they would have had in Mexico.

    Are you claiming that citizens whose ancestors came from Mexico aren’t interested in the 4th of July? Why would they feel differently than folks who came out of Italy or France?

    The Mexican guy who runs the little gardening company has done my house and 5 or 6 nearby every Thursday for the last 20 years has been here legally since the Reagan amnesty. He cannot read or write in any language. But his children can, and speak unaccented English (well, OK, Valley accent). He owns his house. He expects his daughter will go to college. It’s not hard to believe that he’s quite thankful for what America has offered him.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  28. As for immigrants not celebrating America, ask yourself how many citizens do.

    Simon Jester (36ff6e)

  29. #25

    And those jerks in DC made us give back Baja.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  30. Imagine how the “Mexicans” of California felt in 1849.

    That point would deserve a bit of “oh, yes, uh-huh,” and a sense of just desserts (or what goes around comes around) if Mexico in 2016 and well before today had been a stable, prosperous, enviable, generally corruption- and crime-free society. Or a place that, for example, Hollywood celebrities will threaten to move to if the US votes for a president that doesn’t meet with their ideological approval.

    Left-leaning biases tend to blind a person to this counter-point and reality.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  31. Those f***ing left-leaners, they f*** everything up.

    nk (dbc370)

  32. I thought I had already said that when I mentioned the flower children.

    nk (dbc370)

  33. Cuando vas a San Francisco
    Asegúrese de llevar flores en su pelo

    nk (dbc370)

  34. it doesn’t really translate, nk,

    narciso (732bc0)

  35. Imagine how the “Mexicans” of California felt in 1849.

    Well, ironically enough, the Mexicans in Alta California in the 1830s hated the Mexican government too and worked with local Americans to kick out the governor appointed by Mexico City and replace him with a Californio. But yeah, you’re right that the whole idea of a California Republic was kicked to the curb when the U.S. won the Mexican-American War, and no doubt the Californios didn’t appreciate that too much.

    JVW (eabb2a)

  36. Neither does the original. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  37. Happy MAY DAY!

    raimondo (724672)

  38. I was talking about the Gold Rush — you know, the ’49ers, the gamblers, the madams, the opium dens, the vigilantes, Black Bart, Joaquim Murrieta ….

    nk (dbc370)

  39. lol, you folks remember the adventures of zorro, right, interesting that green hornet, who is a descendant of the lone ranger, was designed as a modern day analogue to zorro,

    narciso (732bc0)

  40. In my beginning is my end. In succession
    Houses rise and fall, crumble, are extended,
    Are removed, destroyed, restored, or in their place
    Is an open field, or a factory, or a by-pass.
    Old stone to new building, old timber to new fires,
    Old fires to ashes, and ashes to the earth
    Which is already flesh, fur and faeces,
    Bone of man and beast, cornstalk and leaf.
    Houses live and die: there is a time for building
    And a time for living and for generation
    And a time for the wind to break the loosened pane
    And to shake the wainscot where the field-mouse trots
    And to shake the tattered arras woven with a silent motto.

    Leviticus (6ea25f)

  41. T.S. Eliot borrowed more than a little from Solomon.

    Leviticus (6ea25f)

  42. Those f***ing left-leaners, they f*** everything up

    Similarly, nk, those f***ing white-European imperialists, they f*** everything up in today’s Africa. That part of the world otherwise wouldn’t have ended up the socio-economic-political mess that it is today. It instead would be a land of milk and honey, of great governance full of people and politicians who radiate lots of common sense.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  43. Africa’s problems all started when all the white people voted with their feet around 100,000 BC and migrated to Europe leaving behind the socio-economic quagmire they had grown weary of.

    nk (dbc370)

  44. You’ve never respondent to my proof that leftism is purely a white Northern European invention, BTW.

    nk (dbc370)

  45. ^ I actually replied that it’s ridiculous to assume that human emotions and biases, which influence people’s political thinking, are somehow exclusive to one group of people, particularly based on that group’s race. You do realize that to claim otherwise, or therefore theorize that non-whites don’t have bleeding-heart emotions (which trigger socialistic instincts), is, in fact, quite a racist assumption?

    Mark (fb60e8)

  46. No, I realize no such thing. You object to my assertion that Africa was victimized by colonialism and switch the conversation to leftism. I point out that leftism in Africa is a legacy of colonialism, having being imported from its place of birth in Northern Europe. Now, if you could show us some leftist cultures in Africa that pre-existed European colonialism, you would have a point.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. This is not 1849. No one born or alive in 1849 is alive nor a victim today. To assert otherwise is RETARDED. Mexico SUCH AS IT EXISTS TODAY. Is a rancid land of losers.
    Those who come here legally or illegally do so, BECAUSE MEXICO SUCKS.
    Nothing personal.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  48. You object to my assertion that Africa was victimized by colonialism

    To be exact, I objected to your assertion based on the assumed predicate that if Africa had therefore never been touched by European imperialism since Day One, it automatically would be a much better part of the world today and full of socio-political stability and prosperity in 2016. Your theory would have some ground to stand on if it can be proven that most African nations were in great shape well before the arrival of Europeans.

    Based on even more recent history, and the differences between left and right, if the part of Africa known as South Africa in the 21st century could be judged as much better off now that it’s no longer under the influence NOT of white leftism, if you will, but of a rightist one, that also would add credence to your theory., February 2015: Things are very bad in South Africa. When the scourge of apartheid was finally smashed to pieces in 1994, the country seemed to have a bright future ahead of it. Eight years later, in 2002, 60 percent of South Africans said life had been better under apartheid. Hard to believe — but that’s how bad things were in 2002. And now they’re even worse. When apartheid ended, the life expectancy in South Africa was 64 — the same as in Turkey and Russia. Now it’s 56, the same as in Somalia. There are 132.4 rapes per 100,000 people per year, which is by far the highest in the world: Botswana is in second with 93, Sweden in third with 64; no other country exceeds 32.

    Before the end of apartheid, South African writer Ilana Mercer moved, with her family, to Israel; her father was a vocal opponent of apartheid, and was being harassed by South African security forces. A 2013 piece on World Net Daily quotes Mercer as saying, with all her anti-apartheid chops, that “more people are murdered in one week under African rule than died under detention of the Afrikaner government over the course of roughly four decades.”

    Choosing not to trust the South African authorities is a safe bet — South Africa’s government, which has been led by Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress since the end of apartheid, is outstandingly incompetent and corrupt. Of course, de facto one-party rule doesn’t promote integrity. Unemployment is 25 percent, but President Jacob Zuma, of the ANC, recently spent $24 million of public money to add a pool and amphitheater to his private home. Not long after the story broke, he was elected to a second five-year term.

    Think-tank theorist Leon Louw, who helped defeat apartheid, calls the crime and corruption “a simple manifestation of the breakdown of the state. The government is just appallingly bad at everything it does: education, healthcare, infrastructure, security, everything that is a government function is in shambles.”

    With the country skidding toward anarchy, naturally, the people want to know whom they should blame. In 2010, a prominent member of the African National Congress named Julius Malema revived an old anti-apartheid song whose lyrics — says Genocide Watch — call for genocide: “Shoot the Boer, shoot, shoot.” “Boer” means “farmer” in Afrikaans; colloquially, it means “white South African.” Malema was ejected from the ANC and convicted of hate speech…Seven months after Malema’s conviction, President Zuma sang the genocide song himself, leading a crowd in a musical chant: “We are going to shoot them with machine guns, they are going to run…”

    According to Genocide Watch, the murder rate among South African white farmers is four times higher than among South Africans en masse. That rate increased every month after President Zuma sang his song, for as long as accurate records are available: The police have been ordered to stop reporting murders by race.

    White South Africans have been native for more than 350 years; whites were farming South Africa before Newton discovered gravity. If, however, no length of time erases the stain of colonization, it should be noted that the dominant Bantu peoples of today’s South Africa displaced the Khoisan peoples who lived in South Africa before them. The archaeological record, evidently, is unclear — but it seems that the first Bantu appeared in what is now South Africa about 400 years before the first European. A long time, but not time immemorial.

    ^ Some people will see race, race, race when scanning that article. I instead see ideology, ideology, ideology.

    The emotions underlying the horrible shape of today’s South Africa have nothing to do with European leftism but everything to do with debased human biases in general. Or an African version of the socialistic-racist-scapegoat ethos of Germany’s Third Reich.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  49. NK, Africa is a VICTIM of WHITE OPPRESSION. Had the WHITE MAN, not OPPRESSED All of Africa, Africa would be rich and vibrant. There would be GLOBAL WARMING and CARBON FOOTPRINTS to beat the band. And DISEASE would be eradicated. If only WHITE PRIVILEGE hadn’t ruined all of that for AFRICA. It is all the fault of WHITE PEOPLES GREED!!!
    Post racial

    GUS (30b6bd)

  50. The level of revisionist and bleeding heart faux history is comical.
    If California was TAKEN from THE WONDERFUL PEEPS of MEXICO in 1849, it would appear that the RESULTING SOCIETY is one that has been far more beneficial and lucrative to the current generations!!
    California is part of the UNITED STATES. So sorry. Seriously. If MEXICO want CALIFORNIA back……………………..OK. Fend for yourselves amigos.

    GUS (30b6bd)

  51. No argument from me, Mark. Apartheid was the most significant contribution of the Dutch colonialists, who were themselves the most invested of the colonialists, compared to the British, Belgians, French and Portuguese. I’m glad that you’re finally starting to agree with me. Apartheid was as good as it got under white colonialism. Can we say that?

    nk (dbc370)

  52. Do these folks really want to remake California and the Southwest into Mexico, in essence, bring Mexico here? Yes, they do.

    No thanks.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. 50. …Apartheid was as good as it got under white colonialism. Can we say that?

    nk (dbc370) — 5/1/2016 @ 11:37 pm

    No, we can’t agree. Because it’s stupid and wrong. Who garrisoned these colonies? Horny teenagers. This relatively new phenom we see on the part of Mexicans and Muslims to invade other countries AND remain separate is exactly that. New. White people, at least, still go native. And no other better evidence can be brought to bear then the relative equivalence argument the left make. Which is that all cultures are equal except Western cultures which are icky.

    It’s only here, friend, where somebody from another country can live for 34 years and not speak the native tongue. It just doesn’t fooookin’ work elsewhere. This isn’t my original saying, but if I lived in Armenia for 34 years I’d be a g*dd*mmed poet.

    So, let’s review. What were Filipino revolutionaries confronted with.

    Horny teenagers who liked Filipinas, wanted to fit in, and did to the best of their ability. And the Filipinos largely didn’t mind. Which pi$$ed the Filipino revolutionaries royally off. How are you going to kick off a revolution when the people just aren’t angry.

    This is a short form of history. I admit it will not satisfy some. But, no, Apartheid is not the best you can hope for.

    If anyone likes I’ll expound in book form.

    Steve57 (412496)

  54. here are the eloi claxons, to go into the air raid shelters

    but there’s a little truth here, like in animal farm ‘some animals turned out, more equal then others,

    narciso (732bc0)

  55. you mean the npa, or the huks, the latter were defeated by lansdale,

    narciso (732bc0)

  56. Apartheid is nowhere near the best you can hope for. It’s not even in the top 100. But that’s the best colonialism gave to Africa. No foundation for western-style economies and democracies. Just exploitation and bug out when the natives who had deliberately been kept in the Chalcolithic got restless. Isn’t that right, Mark?

    nk (9faaca)

  57. But that’s the best colonialism gave to Africa.

    Oh, Ok. now we’re down to Africa. And even Africa is a big place.

    Steve57 (412496)

  58. Stupid me when you say colonialism I think of a a lot more of the globe then Africa.

    Steve57 (412496)

  59. Well, that’s what Mark and I were talking about, Steve. Who brought Leftism to Africa.

    nk (9faaca)

  60. well why where you plagued with papandreou, the point is what they did,

    narciso (732bc0)

  61. I’m glad that you’re finally starting to agree with me. Apartheid was as good as it got under white colonialism. Can we say that?

    Again, nk, you insert race instead of politics into trends that either help or hurt a society. You must be channeling your inner Al Sharpton. Or if that particular name is too racially tinged, then how about the name of any phony-baloney liberal, of any race (etc), who loves identity politics? A person who loves to blah-blah about racial/ethnic/religious/gender/sexual/etc group A, B or C, yet, oddly enough, often downplays even saying “liberal” or “leftist” and “conservative” or “rightist.”

    Mark (fb60e8)

  62. yes, marcos wasn’t a nice guy, but after thirty years it’s time to own up how the stewardship of the nation,

    narciso (732bc0)

  63. here are the eloi claxons, to go into the air raid shelters

    The extremist emotions underlying what that article is describing in Brazil presumably has little (or nothing) to do with white colonialism but everything to do with human nature.

    The complexities, contradictions and volatility of people’s behavior, of people’s biases: You can’t live with them, you can’t live without them.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  64. There has not yet been an immigrant wave into America that did not inject some of its culture into the country. The Italians (good food), the Irish (I will bet you drink on St Paddy’s Day) — and both brought their Church to the annoyance of the WASPs, the Scandinavians (visit Minnesota), the Jews, the …. I could go on. Every one of them has changed the culture AS they assimilated. It is never a one-way street. Only a fool would expect otherwise.

    Sorry, Kevin M, but I disagree with the entire statement above from #23. As I suggested in #16 if an immigrant wants to “inject” their culture into America let him open an ethnic restaurant like your Italians and Greeks. The Irish opened bars and became cops and no, both did not “bring” the Catholic church, it was already here from Catholic Englishmen. You mention Scandinavians and Jews but exactly how they changed our society you left vague unless Ikea is cultural. There are all kinds of ethnic parades like Paddy’s day and Puerto Rican or Cinco de Mayo but that doesn’t change out culture any more than importing Ouzo or Scotch Whiskey does. It’s surface stuff not cultural change.

    Now, having all government documents even voting ballots printed in Spanish and pressing 1 for English IS cultural change and it impacts culture negatively. We speak American English, learn it or leave.

    We are fortunate since w have the opportunity to see just how Hispanics would run things here in America because Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory of the United States with self government. They are broke, looking for a bail out or a bankruptcy and their government is leftist, the economy in tatters and unemployment high. $8% of the inhabitants are below the poverty live compared to 17% here. And its a friggin island paradise in the Caribbean! Other than Hawaii no other part of America has what Puerto Rico has. Yet it seems the Hispanics can’t make a go of it. But I don’t hear leftists calling for a policy to send five million white businessmen and their families to Puerto Rico to “diversify” it.

    BTW, you are more than welcome to disagree with me but it is not necessary to put “Only a fool would expect otherwise” at the end. You do not need to be insulting to make a point.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  65. by that I mean, this is the only way, carlos slims can explain getting rid of rousseff, the generals did rule the country for twenty years for good and ill,

    narciso (732bc0)

  66. Papandreou was more American than Greek, if you want to go there, narciso. Check out his bio. The Greeks had a joke about PASOK — that it was an acronym for American Agent Socialist The Cabron.

    And what he has to do with Leftism in Africa, I have no clue.

    nk (9faaca)

  67. Mark, I’m not the one who cut and pasted a wall of text about how better Africa was under apartheid. You are. In your comment 47.

    nk (9faaca)

  68. That’s “48%” of the inhabitants. Sorry.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  69. You are. In your comment 47.

    Yep. But, again, where you see race, race, race in that essay, I see ideology, ideology, ideology.

    If South Africa had been taken over by people who lean right, emotionally and politically (and who’d generally have an innate respect for the dynamics of boring common sense—which tends not to be sexy to hot heads), but the country was no less of a socio-economic mess, I do admit I’d be shuddering far more over what has been going on there.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  70. nk, I know several people from and still in South Africa and it was better for blacks and whites under apartheid in their opinion. One family, whose 25 year old daughter bartends at the Club has lost a total of six members to black on white murder. Her parents cannot go out at night. She herself was raped four times before joining the New Church and coming to America for school. She’s finished tis year and is terrified of being sent back. One can look up what is going on there if you want. It’s not a secret except by the leftist American press who don’t want anybody to know they created a anti white genocide and impoverished millions of natives who were making a living before “the left” decided to free them from the oppression of apartheid. But it was very important to back Mandela and his fellow communists and his lovely murdering wife Winnie. Only a dyed in the wool leftist would turn the only prosperous nation in the continent over to an old communist who spent decades in prison for treason and his “necktie” wife. Traitors and murderers always make the best government leaders.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  71. It’s not a secret except by the leftist American press

    That’s why the left loves to play up identity politics and, in turn, to downplay “liberal” and “conservative.”

    Also, because many or most people who aren’t flat-out liberals do have glints of left-leaning biases themselves, they become uncomfortable when that facet embedded in their way of perceiving the world is criticized or made to look bad.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  72. More white Eurocentric imperialism, but this time from the white left wing instead of the white right wing, reflecting the ascendancy of the left in Europe, the United States and the rest of the western world, that’s all that happened. Or you could say that the Anglo-Saxons lost and the Russians won like two dogs fighting over a bone. Poor Africa.

    nk (9faaca)

  73. much like the wonderful job they did in east germany and romania, the flavor is the same,

    narciso (732bc0)

  74. I hope you realize just how patronizing (and, oddly enough, racist) you are, nk, by implying that the good and bad in Africa are somehow dependent on what Europeans or whites do or don’t do.

    Mark (fb60e8)

  75. And I was just talking about Puerto Rico. From Hot Air:

    Puerto Rico appears on the verge of tipping over — financially, that is, not in the Hank Johnson sense. The island’s governor has ordered a default on Puerto Rico’s main development bank, a move that could signal the start of a long collapse:

    Gov. Alejandro Garcia Padilla announced that Puerto Rico’s government will not make a $420 million bond payment due Monday, after a failure to negotiate a legal or political solution to the U.S. territory’s public debt crisis.

    Garcia said Sunday that he had issued an executive order suspending payments on debt owed by the island’s Government Development Bank, a default that will likely prompt lawsuits from creditors and could hurt future access to capital markets.

    Island officials spent the weekend trying to negotiate a settlement that would have avoided the default but apparently came up short. The development comes as Congress has so far been unable to pass a debt restructuring bill for Puerto Rico.

    “Let me be very clear, this was a painful decision,” Garcia said in a speech. “We would have preferred to have had a legal framework to restructure our debts in an orderly manner.”

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  76. There you go blaming the victim. When a house is burglarized and totally looted do you think it’s patronizing (and, oddly enough, racist) to imply that the good and bad are somehow dependent on what the burglars do or don’t do?

    nk (9faaca)

  77. 72.much like the wonderful job they did in east germany and romania, the flavor is the same,

    You are confusing their white race with their leftist politics.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  78. Mark is saying it does not matter what the race is of the burglars, just their political proclivities. You’re blaming their race.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)


    White privilege. I would crawl on my hands and knees to Nome in the middle of a blizzard to change the spark plugs in the plane that would lift this doctor back to the land of beer and skittles where he could displace my poor and worthless arse.

    Why am I not? I couldn’t get out the gate. Merc work is almost impossible these days.

    Steve57 (412496)

  80. Nk,

    In the entire history of Africa, what makes you think they could create on their own a civilized, functioning society on par with anything the West has created?

    njrob (2696e6)

  81. not to mention the saudi asset in aq, that brennan burnt, they don’t even mention his name, it is shibboleth,

    narciso (732bc0)

  82. Don’t get me started, narciso.

    H3ll, who am I kidding. Somebody kick started me back in 2001.

    Steve57 (412496)

  83. Mark is blaming their race by refusing to accept white European responsibility for Leftism and its importation into Africa, when the facts are as plain as day.

    nk (9faaca)

  84. well this is the all purpose excuse, the left come up for not being accountable,

    narciso (732bc0)

  85. nk, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear you were doing a parody of a clueless, two-faced, guilt-ridden liberal—white or otherwise. Or a person who’s more racist (and/or race-obsessed) than he or she is aware of. Or someone guilty of the “soft bigotry of low expectations.”

    Mark (ba52ce)

  86. Are you saying the system in Africa for millennia whereby the tribal chief, witch doctor, councils and their families got first dibs on anything hunted, gathered, grown, conquered, stolen or captured the remainder then split among the rest of the tribe was a European concoction?

    You know what is a wholly owned European system, nk? Free Market Capitalism. The basis was codified by a Scott in 1776 and spent the next two centuries building wealth for all people who were willing to participate all over the globe. Especially among those loathsome White Europeans. You’re welcome.

    Rev. Hoagie ™ (734193)

  87. and the chiefs were the ancestors of the warlords, and dictators that run africa today, many of whom make foolish decisions like kenyatta did burning all the confiscated ivory this weekend,

    narciso (732bc0)

  88. I dunno, you guys. The best arguments I’ve seen from you regarding the legacy of imperialism and colonialism in Africa is: “Well, we offered them apartheid and they chose to go Communist.” Don’t shoot the messenger if the message is not flattering.

    nk (9faaca)

  89. nk, if that’s all you’re hearing then you’re not listening. Africa is a big place and a lot of it sucks. And I know it’s hateful to say it but that’s not because of colonialism.

    Oddly enough one of the places the Europeans may turn out to have succeeded is in the former German South West Africa. Yes. Germans. Africans. Classic liberalism.

    But Namibia is one case. It hasn’t descended into the pit of h3ll. Others have and decided, you know what? we were wrong. Thinking Angola and Tanzania here. The Portawop colonies.

    Africa is a big place.

    Steve57 (412496)

  90. mexico didn’t really have recent colonialism, but seventy years of pri governance, the leviathan that the democrats aspire to,

    narciso (732bc0)

  91. I could have saved at least two countries one war.

    Vietnam Airline Fined For In-Flight Bikini Show

    Somebody needs to unleash me on China where I could still do some good.

    Steve57 (412496)

  92. maybe going mao wasn’t the swiftest move,

    Tanzania was also aligned with China, which from 1970 to 1975 financed and helped build the 1,860-kilometre-long (1,160 mi) TAZARA Railway from Dar es Salaam to Zambia.[37] Nonetheless, from the late 1970s, Tanzania’s economy took a turn for the worse, in the context of an international economic crisis affecting both developed and developing economies.

    narciso (732bc0)

  93. 89. mexico didn’t really have recent colonialism, but seventy years of pri governance, the leviathan that the democrats aspire to,

    narciso (732bc0) — 5/2/2016 @ 3:58 pm

    Interrogative. Voxspain what you mean by (A) “recent” and “colonialism.” Over.

    Steve57 (412496)

  94. *and (B) “colonialism.” Over.


    Steve57 (412496)

  95. the last bout was two hundred years ago, as opposed to africa, which was 60 years, the middle east a little longer,

    narciso (732bc0)

  96. Well with all due respect to the Muslims some of us just don’t easily forget Manzikert.

    Steve57 (412496)

  97. re my earlier link, the company was as complicit in building fidel’s legend,

    narciso (732bc0)

  98. 96. re my earlier link, the company was as complicit in building fidel’s legend,


    Whose company wasn’t? Mine was the US Navy, what’s yours?

    Steve57 (412496)

  99. the cia, using the shorthand, a few links,

    narciso (732bc0)

  100. The artifact was not supposed to be there.

    Steve57 (412496)

  101. narciso, I’m well disposed toward you. But don’t play with me.

    Steve57 (412496)

  102. sorry about that, but the propaganda put forth by the media, by the supposed security services, to prop up fidel for nearly 60 years, who was sent back by the corrupt pri oligarchy is nauseating, a relative of mine, who was playa larga, was so ashamed at what treachery had had happened there, he shot himself nearly 30 years later,

    narciso (732bc0)

  103. I don’t know what to say. I’ll say this I don’t care if you go by Rodrizuez or Gonsalves or Brown or Pulaskiz or Godzilla or WTF. When in command of this canoe I’ll effin’ chop the throttle and make a hard turn so my wake doesn’t disturb your raft. Then I’ll pick you up.

    Because you’re one of us.

    Steve57 (412496)

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