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4/22/2016

Trump: I Believe in Raising Taxes on the Rich

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:51 am



The pivot continues:

GUTHRIE: Do you believe in raising taxes on the wealthy?

TRUMP: I do. I do – including myself. I do.

The pivot may be a bit premature. Here’s a great ad Ted Cruz ran that skewers Hillary, Huma, and Trump:

63 Responses to “Trump: I Believe in Raising Taxes on the Rich”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. Bravo!! How on earth did the Cruz campaign talk Hillary! and Huma into participating in this documentary? Who says journalism is dead?

    BobStewartatHome (404986)

  3. Nice, very nice. I mean the video.

    Ahem … is the lady playing Huma married, do you know?

    nk (dbc370)

  4. Is it possible to determine which of Trumpy the Clown’s multiple personae is responsible for any particular utterance? Does his campaign issue a persona shift advisory or identify wardrobe changes which might indicate which persona he is utilizing at a particular moment.

    Rick Ballard (4a9e02)

  5. Unfortunately, at this time I do not believe Cruz can beat Hillary!. Hopefully that will change when he can direct all his considerable efforts toward defeating that lying scumbag. But I did love that ad. Trump sounds more and more like a leftist democrat every day. So now he’s embracing the politics of class division so loved by the commies on the left. Oy vey!

    Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  6. For those who want to hear Donald in all of his glory advocating the raising of taxes on ‘the rich':

    Donald Trump Today Show FULL Town Hall 4-21-2016
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAJVjQEmOEs
    Raising taxes at the 20 minute mark

    Torcer (f045ef)

  7. Hoagie – he doesn’t sound more and more like a leftist every day. He has been a leftist from Day 1.

    JD (34f761)

  8. As I posted on the other thread:

    I support a voluntary system of double taxation. Everyone with an income of over $1 million in a given year must choose whether to pay the double tax, and, if chosen, this choice is NOT subject to confidentiality.

    The IRS will publish an annual list of all persons selecting double taxation, and the amount that they paid.

    I would expect to see certain loudmouths on the list each and every year.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  9. More democrat than republican and long time friend of Bill, the best we can probably hope for with Trump is a return to Bubba’s politics over Hillary’s more radical tendencies.

    crazy (cde091)

  10. By the way, when they say they believe raising taxes on the wealthy they really mean:

    “I believe raising taxes on people who made a lot of money in a given year and didn’t have any good way to shelter it, hide it, or pretend they didn’t really make it.”

    And it never includes “wealth.”

    Ask instead if they would favor an income tax with a low flat rate, plus a 2% annual tax on assets over $10 million and see what they say. That’s a real tax on the wealthy, which is NEVER what they mean.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  11. I expect to find out that the real reason Trump won’t release his tax returns is that he actually pays no tax most of the time.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  12. the best we can probably hope for with Trump is a return to Bubba’s politics over Hillary’s more radical tendencies.

    Bill was at least consistent, coherent and rational. People had a lot of nasty things to say about him, but no one ever called him an idiot or a clown.

    Trump is aiming for another bad week, and this won’t help him in California among REPUBLICANS. If you are still Republican in CA, you’re a bitter clinger of the worst sort.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  13. he’s not very smart on economics but he’ll have to learn this stuff for to make America great again

    happyfeet (831175)

  14. Tranny Trump will be 70 f***ing years old this coming June 14. What the f***ity-f***-f*** can he still f***ing learn?

    nk (dbc370)

  15. Trump is aiming for another bad week, and this won’t help him in California among REPUBLICANS. If you are still Republican in CA, you’re a bitter clinger of the worst sort.

    Thank you for noticing. Even considering I have my gun, I don’t have a Bible, so I need something to cling to. :)

    Cruz need to do more of this and hammer the point home.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  16. Ahem … is the lady playing Huma married, do you know?
    — You are a very bad man, nk!
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    Anyway, if she isn’t then I’m calling ‘dibs’! 😉

    Icy (f9f623)

  17. he’s not very smart on economics but he’ll have to learn this stuff for to make America great again

    happyfeet (831175) — 4/22/2016 @ 9:24 am

    I’ve already had one apprentice President that needed to be fired Happyfeet. I desperately don’t need another 4 years+ of that.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  18. R.I.P. guitarist Lonnie Mack

    Icy (f9f623)

  19. Here, here, Kevin M @10. The left, as usual, plays fast and loose with their definition of “the rich”. The rich aren’t guys that happen to have a good year and make a couple million after five years of six digit loses. The rich are people like Hillary that have a NET WORTH of $130 million and literally thousands of her fellow democrats all pushing to tax the up and coming entrepreneur whilst they build $28 million houses and buy $40 million dollar jets. I’ve also noticed how “the rich” are somehow a banker making $8 million salary but not a movie star @ $20 million a film or TV personalities getting $2 million an episode for 26 episodes (plus endless residuals for syndication) or a sports pro @$15 million a year (plus endorsements). IOW, the left is very picky as to who “deserves” to be rich and the bad guys who don’t.

    Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  20. If you want to tax “the rich” then tax their net wealth not their income. Let people earn and earn, who cares? If you want to shut up Warren Buffet real fast tax away $30 billion of his wealth. Then let him tell us about how much his secretary makes.

    Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  21. Thank you for noticing. Even considering I have my gun, I don’t have a Bible, so I need something to cling to. :)

    Cruz need to do more of this and hammer the point home.

    I have a gun and the Bible, too (not that I cling to it). My wife has an uncounted number of Bibles and other texts, but no gun. She goes to Bible studies, so I guess she does that clinging for me.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  22. I saw Guthrie ask the Trumpster about abortion vis-a-vis exceptions/limitations and thought, gee… wonder if she’ll ask Hillary Clinton about late-term (Hillary supports abortion up thru and including delivery) restrictions and whether she doesn’t consider herself to be out of step with the vast majority conspiracy of Americans who oppose it?

    Colonel Haiku (017cc0)

  23. My wife asked me why I was wearing a gun inside the house. I said, “For Decepticons”. She laughed. I laughed. The toaster laughed.

    nk (dbc370)

  24. The problem with increasing tax on income is that it doesn’t truly go after the people with the wealth. The people that have already made their money have an ability to preserve it and diminish their tax exposure. Increasing tax on income only serves to preserve the aristocracy.

    We need to go after the Warren Buffett’s and George Soros’s.

    AZ Bob (7d2a2c)

  25. We don’t “need”‘ to go after anyone.

    JD (34f761)

  26. That’s the correct answer, JD

    Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  27. AZ Bob,

    People’s wealth needs to be left alone.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  28. maybe we should put together a collection of helpful youtubes for so Mr. The Donald can get up to speed on how you make the economy grow more better

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  29. He’d profit more from an infomercial on soft foods and laxatives.

    nk (dbc370)

  30. C.S.

    Which is why I suggested my voluntary loudmouth tax, in #8. Let them go after themselves.

    But the point is that when wealthy people talk about taxing wealth, they are really talking about taxing high Adjusted Gross Income, and they adjust theirs the F down. Warren Buffet has a modest income, as does Bill Gates. Their net worth skyrockets because of unrealized capital gains, but that is not income.

    It is not that I want to go after anyone, but when these hypocrites pretend that they are offering themselves up for higher taxation, they really mean they are offering up everyone else. I’m simply returning the favor, without the deceit.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  31. Mr Trump would not be watching youtube. Maybe if you stuck those helpful videos on sextube, but it’s hard to lecture with your mouth full.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  32. well maybe we can make flashcards

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  33. By the way, I do like that Cruz ad a lot. First one I’ve seen that I liked. It keeps the joke running and simply reminds the viewers of things they already know, but may be trying to ignore. Tying Trump to Hillary is a good strategy going into closed primaries in the blue states.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  34. What Trump doesn’t realize about blue state Republicans (not being one) is that they are kind of like sober people at a Dead concert. They know who they are and what they are about and why they are there. Treating them as if they are like those other blue state people isn’t going to work.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  35. Mr. Cruz needs to think of more better ways to appeal to voters other than just being snarky on Mr. Trump. It’s getting old for one thing and number two it does nothing to elevate the human condition.

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  36. “Ridicule is mankind’s most potent weapon.”
    Or
    What is it you been doing to Cruz?

    nk (dbc370)

  37. that’s different

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  38. He also said on TV back in 2012 he would pay for TrumpCare through
    ‘an increase in the corp tax’

    Never mind we already have the highest corp taxes on the planet

    Of course Reagan said anybody preaching corp taxes can relieve the burden on the masses are either dishonest or economically ignorant -and ‘either one should scare us’

    Reaganite Republican (98e37e)

  39. Trump’s chief strategist Paul Manafort told members of the Republican National Committee in a closed-door briefing here Thursday afternoon that his candidate has been playing a “part” on the campaign trail, but is starting to pivot toward presenting a more businesslike and presidential “persona.”

    Manafort, along with the Trump campaign’s political director Rick Wiley and top surrogate Ben Carson, briefed state Republican Party chairmen and other RNC members at their spring meeting in South Florida. The Washington Post obtained an audio recording of the meeting.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/21/trump-is-playing-a-part-and-can-transform-for-victory-campaign-chief-tells-gop-leaders/?hpid=hp_no-name_trump-part-545am_1%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  40. In other words, once he has all the rubes on board, he’ll start moving toward the establishment, so they shouldn’t worry.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  41. #10: Kevin,

    plus a 2% annual tax on assets over $10 million

    My guess is that every county in the country collects at least a 1% tax on every parcel of real estate irrespective of the size of the valuation. These taxes are based on some bureaucrats “assessment” of the value of the property, and therein lies the rub. My guess is that the only time the valuations on mansions and the like are within a factor of two of their real value are when they are sold. After that it is a political problem, which is to say, an “opportunity” for the right sort of political machine.

    In Eastern Washington, Democratically controlled counties aggressively foreclose on low income property owners who fall behind on their taxes. It took a Republican initiative to change the state law so that deferred payment plans could be worked out. But the only counties that use this option are those with Republican administrations. Little guys don’t fight back. This is a foundational principle of “social justice”.

    BobStewartatHome (404986)

  42. @ Kevin M: Aren’t the stories coming out of this spring meeting rich?

    Alinksky Rule 12: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

    Trump’s been all Alinksky about the RNC, and about the GOP leadership much more broadly (from precinct to national) for months. Guess what? When you freeze, personalize, and polarize your targets, you tend thereby to alienate the hell out of them as potential delegates for your team.

    So Trump hires the lobbyist for the Ukrainian kleptocracy, a guy whose last serious involvement in a presidential campaign was Bob Dole’s in 1996, to go reassure them that Trump’s going to change, that he’ll be like a different person, that he’ll help down-ballot GOP candidates raise money (although he has zero fundraising apparatus of his own, and still hasn’t even begun one), and that he doesn’t really mean it when he tells the public that these same folks are “stealing” the election. When Trump wrote that book “Art of the Deal,” was he thinking of Jackson Pollack as the “artist”?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  43. i wanna be ur

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  44. lover

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  45. i wanna be in a country where Hillary and Trump haven’t picked three more New York values Justices.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  46. I don’t see how anyone can argue with Mannafort, Carson and Wiley regarding Trump having assumed a false persona in order to fraudulently induce support from the gullible and credulous to this point. Fraud has been the salient feature in Trump’s career, whether it involves lying to the New Jersey Casino Control Commission re junk bond financing for the soon to be bankrupt Taj Mahal Casino or defrauding the Trump University suckers.

    What I don’t see is why anyone with an IQ above room temperature would believe Trump Persona LXVIII to be more “real” than Trump Persona LXVII. He was a liar yesterday (as his entire campaign advisory staff acknowledge – on tape), he’s a liar today but tomorrow the Trump Presidential Persona LXVIII will be as truthful as Washington re the cherry tree. You really have to move beyond ignorant, credulous and gullible to just plain stupid to buy another word out of this liar’s mouth.

    Rick Ballard (4a9e02)

  47. ’cause nothing compares 2 Trump

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  48. It’s all too much.

    Colonel Haiku (017cc0)

  49. Does anyone believe that Hillary and Huma are as focussed and “West Wing” as in that video? I imagine them more as sinister clowns (with Huma just managing to keep the show together), or like a book club meeting.

    bruce (cef607)

  50. #49: bruce, you’re making the same mistake that Vince Foster made. Don’t misunderestimate Hillary!

    BobStewartatHome (404986)

  51. where has he been hiding himself, well sea island for one,

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/04/tom-cotton-holds-white-house-accountable-on-iran.php

    narciso (732bc0)

  52. 45- or another republican nominated compassionate conservative.

    mg (31009b)

  53. randy ted cruz the transvestite want to tax the poor at the same rate as the rich to encourage the poor to become rich! If you pick up cans to pay for something to eat you should pay the same tax rate as a multi billionaire.

    billory (1fbc9f)

  54. Got a robo call on my cell today from Trump, reminding me that CA is a closed primary and I should register as a Repub to help him win.

    First of all, no one has my cell number! How the hell did he get it? I’m really ticked off.

    Second of all, why is Trump calling and not Cruz? I thought Cruz had the big ground game.

    Looks like the lobbyists Trump brought aboard are working it. I’m sure he will say they’re not lobbyists/lobbyists though.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  55. he’s invested more into the nitty gritti, of data mining, and other mechanical tools,

    narciso (732bc0)

  56. Patricia,

    The LA Times says Trump sent out a million robocalls in California to people listed as not being registered in any party.

    DRJ (15874d)

  57. Trump should have sent out robocalls to his children.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  58. Bob, #41

    Yes, of course. But real property isn’t the bulk of any billionaire’s assets. I guess there is a tax on some business property that indirectly taxes stockholders, but it doesn’t quite have the bite of a British Labour Party Wealth Tax. Which is what I would wish on these prattling hypocrites.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  59. Rick #46, stop using all those codes (like LXVIII) because you’ll just confusicate the Trumpbirds.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  60. Bruce, #49–

    Now, there’s a fine reason why Dems should support Ted Cruz:

    “There is no way you’ll ever see “West Wing” reimagined until a conservative Republican is back in the White House. Bring back Bartlett! Elect Ted Cruz!”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  61. Thank you Kevin M. for getting my sarcasm on post #24:

    The problem with increasing tax on income is that it doesn’t truly go after the people with the wealth. The people that have already made their money have an ability to preserve it and diminish their tax exposure. Increasing tax on income only serves to preserve the aristocracy.

    We need to go after the Warren Buffett’s and George Soros’s.

    No we don’t have to go after anyone. But it is true that the system is rigged to help those with wealth to preserve it. And those wealthy people urge tax plans that inhibit the rest of us who are still seeking to make wealth for ourselves.

    And besides, I am sick of Buffett and Soros.

    AZ Bob (d6a3a9)

  62. Warren Buffett’s a real piece of…work.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)


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