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3/29/2016

Trump’s Campaign Manager Charged With Battery Today

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:17 pm

[guest post by Dana]

Corey Lewandowski was charged with misdemeanor battery today in the Michelle Fields case. She was the reporter who alleged that Lewandowski grabbed her while she attempted to ask Donald Trump a question at a press conference earlier this month.

Lewandowski, who has denied any wrongdoing, plead not guilty this morning in Jupiter, Florida. He is expected to appear in court on May 4.

Donald Trump tweeted:

Wow, Corey Lewandowski, my campaign manager and a very decent man, was just charged with assaulting a reporter. Look at tapes-nothing there!

Followed by:

Why aren’t people looking at this reporters earliest statement as to what happened, that is before she found out the episode was on tape?

Michelle Fields responded to Trump’s tweet:

Because my story never changed. Seriously, just stop lying.

Trump also asked whether he could press charges against Fields for allegedly touching him at the time of the Lewandowski incident:

[Per a commenter’s suggestion: If you watch the video below, “you will see that Trump’s screengrab is deceptive. He was reaching for something in his pocket” – Ed]
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The Jupiter PD released a video of the incident as seen from a different angle:

–Dana

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Watch the video and you’ll see Trump’s screengrab is deceptive. He was reaching for something in his pocket. Shocking, I know, that he would lie like that, isn’t it?

220 Responses to “Trump’s Campaign Manager Charged With Battery Today”

  1. Here we go.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  2. maybe actually he charged a battery today ever think of that

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. I added a screenshot of Trump’s tweet showing the photo of the candidate and Michelle Fields.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  4. Pickpocket. If the charge were picking her pocket then that little incidental contact in the scrum could possibly be evidence.

    Did she check her pocket book to make sure it’s there?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  5. Thank you, Dana for the screen grab with Fields and Trump. Couldn’t tell the players from the video.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  6. I’m missing the part where L tried to pull F to the ground.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  7. Dana, you might want to explain that in that photo Trump was originally going for something in his pocket, but the way it’s presented makes it look like he’s pulling away from her.

    Papertiger, in the video released it’s at second 0:04 and 0:05. Here is a screen grab (no pun intended).

    Sean (1d5074)

  8. Okay, I see problems with both sides here.

    First, I see no evidence that Field’s claim about being yanked almost to the ground is true.

    Second, the campaign manager did grab her. (something he denied)

    Third… it does look like Fields may have grabbed Trump’s arm a few seconds earlier.

    If so, shouldn’t both Fields and the campaign manager be facing charges?

    In light of how serious this incident is, I can only firmly denounce Trump for having a campaign manager with a surname I can’t even begin to spell.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  9. D#vn! I’m sure the probss will be those who arent Trump fanbois and those who are opppseed Trumpster fanbois.

    Steve57 (08b8c6)

  10. in palm beach, they will select the most fair jury, like the one for stevens trial,

    narciso (732bc0)

  11. If what we see on the video constitutes battery, then we’re going to need lots more jails.

    ropelight (c1ab69)

  12. I am so f***ing tired of of the bull&&&.

    Steve57 (08b8c6)

  13. jupiter police lol

    happyfeet (831175)

  14. UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Watch the video and you’ll see Trump’s screengrab is deceptive. He was reaching for something in his pocket. Shocking, I know, that he would lie like that, isn’t it?

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  15. Trump is talking about Lewandowski now at the CNN Townhall here.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  16. Sean,

    Just saw your comment. I assumed people watched the video after seeing the tweet, and could see how Trump was being manipulative and disingenuous with his tweet.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  17. Can we decide on who doesn’t believe in beating women the strongest?

    And I know y’all are liars because if a woman jumped out of your closet like Kato you would slap the taste outta her mouth.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  18. Of course the useful idiots will continue to defend Trump because they have been seduced by him.

    Glad he was formally charged and arrested. This is text book battery. And all of these tripling down instead of a simple apology.

    Now how bad does Breitbart.com look now??

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  19. And all of these tripling down instead of a simple apology.

    yep.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed)

  20. Omg. Trump just whined at the townhall that “Cruz started it” regarding the Melania/Heidi issue. Anderson Cooper told him he sounded like a 5 year old. Didn’t faze Trump. Unfortunately, Cooper didn’t nail him about his lie that Cruz knew about the ad.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  21. It’s really juvenile of this guy. “He started it” and “He did too know!”

    And Dana, I think Trump is just projecting what he would have done.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  22. Simon Jester,

    Doesn’t his whining like that make you think of your own kids when they were small? Sure does me with mine.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  23. I know. He is like a big baby.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  24. It’s not so much the lie.

    It’s that the lie was both unnecessary *and* brazen.

    He could have easily said, “I’m not sure what’s happened, we’ll get back to you once we’ve investigated.” Instead he said “we absolutely know nothing happened, she’s a liar”.

    This is the same guy who keeps telling us his opponent, who has fired people for much less, is the “worst” liar he’s ever seen.

    So what is it Mr Trump, is lying bad or not?

    scrubone (c3104f)

  25. Sorry but this is entire episode is crap from A to Z.

    How is “Trump’s screen grab” misleading? It show the “reporter” right beside him which would tend to lend credence to the charge that she touched him (Trump).

    Now comes word that the SS had twice told her to back off and CL didn’t touch her till she touched Trump.

    I understand this site hates Trump but this whole Fields episode is still a nothing burger.

    Mark Johnson (a64489)

  26. “Trump just whined at the townhall that “Cruz started it” regarding the Melania/Heidi issue. Anderson Cooper told him he sounded like a 5 year old.”

    The idea is to make so much noise that people just write the thing off as “they’re both as bad as each other”. Not a tactic unique to Trump, but one used by people in the wrong in politics all the time.

    scrubone (c3104f)

  27. I never thought I would consider Huey Long to be a thoughtful populist until this campaign.

    It’s like a bad dream that is a dream come true for Hillary.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  28. How is “Trump’s screen grab” misleading? It show the “reporter” right beside him which would tend to lend credence to the charge that she touched him (Trump).

    Because this is the new excuse, the old excuse was that no one had ever heard of her, been near her etc. “It never happened”. Those old excuses were a total lie. Complete. Utter. BS.

    This is what Trump does – say whatever is most likely to give him an “out” with his supporters at any given moment, never mind any pretense of consistency or integrity.

    scrubone (c3104f)

  29. How is “Trump’s screen grab” misleading? It show the “reporter” right beside him which would tend to lend credence to the charge that she touched him (Trump).

    Now comes word that the SS had twice told her to back off and CL didn’t touch her till she touched Trump.

    I understand this site hates Trump but this whole Fields episode is still a nothing burger.

    Mark Johnson (a64489) — 3/29/2016 @ 6:30 pm

    Watch the video, at no time is Fields grabbing Trump, and the screen grab was taken as Trump was going to pull something from his pocket, not flinching away from an unwanted breach of personal space.

    But that’s not what this is about. This is about Lewandowski grabbing Fields, then lying about it, having the campaign, and Trump defame her in public, pushing their supporters to berate her for not initially filing a police report, then when all of the facts are made known continue to blame the one person who hasn’t lied during this entire fiasco while basically claiming that she deserved it.

    Pretty sickening behavior, and even more disgusting that people are defending this.

    Sean (1d5074)

  30. Sean is absolutely right. The cover up is actually worse than the crime. I imagine they applied pressure to Field’s employer to abandon her, which they did. This is not a man who is worthy of the presidency or even the GOP nomination. As bad as the GOP is, it’s a lot better than this.

    That they told lie after lie, and now switch to a new set, with out a hiccup of concern from the same set of hacks, is pretty sad for them all.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  31. I never thought I would consider Huey Long to be a thoughtful populist until this campaign.

    That’s true but Long wasn’t an empty suit. He put himself through law school, passed the bar and argued a case, which he won, before the Supreme Court. He was sort of the archetypical Faulknerian southern male who appeared to be a bit slow and corny on the outside but in reality was fiercely intelligent.

    Besides, the people attracted to Long were poorly educated and living in the middle of the Great Depression. The Trump supporters have no excuses for their…let’s say, mistake.

    SteveMG (0f086c)

  32. Trump’s m.o. Is to simply outtalk and talk on top of, and over anyone who is challenging him or asking him to clarify. He just doesn’t stop. Cooper is polite but Trump spins nonsensical circles around him when he tries to nail him on something inaccurate. I’m exhausted just watching.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  33. “We’re sorry Ms Fields got hurt. We hope she’s okay. We believe that no one in our campaign caused the injuries. But again, we hope she’s okay.”

    There.

    The Trump campaign couldn’t do that? Is that weakness or something? Is that caving into the “liberal media”?

    Are Trump supporters so bereft of common sense that asking the campaign to do the above is somehow unacceptable?

    You have this fixation, this need, to sound and be tough, that showing concern is somehow weakness that you can’t even think straight.

    Where did you come from to think like this? It’s absurd.

    SteveMG (0f086c)

  34. SteveMG,

    A public apology, a bouquet of flowers, Trump assuming responsibility for his staff. Instead, what we are seeing is the direct result of stupendous stupidity and arrogance.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  35. Hey happyfeet, did every Trump donor get the Snowflake talking point in an email or was it mentioned in a campaign speech I didn’t care to watch? Just curious, asking for a friend really. It’s great and all, you know, funny. However, I’m left wondering why Trump supporters continually change the meaning of words to suit their viewpoint and protect Trump’s behavior. I’m not saying it’s Alinsky-like, but I heard someone mention it, and he might have had a point. Just glad you’re here to let us know that grabbing a woman is totally cool, like snow, which is what snowflakes are made of.

    Sean (1d5074)

  36. SteveMG,

    Trump was asked tonight about not simply having apologized to Fields from the get-go, and he just now again said, “What for?”

    Dana (0ee61a)

  37. So, Trump is now saying that his staffer had to protect him from this wild person who evaded secret service agents, more than once?
    Really?

    Adding lies to lies always worked (before) for the Clinton’s and Obama, maybe Trump figures it is a tactic worth emulating.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (768aed)

  38. Dana,

    It’s just another Murder On 5th Avenue episode with Trump spitting on his Trump Suckers again. Trump Suckers operate at the reality TV level and your exhaustion at watching Cooper trying to get past Trump patter geared for Trump Suckers has never been felt by a Trump Sucker. Trump Suckers were very probably exhausted by trying to understand what Cooper was asking but they’re incapable of being bored with Trump patter geared to stimulate their conditioned responses. The feces flinging by Trump is just a trigger – a bell ringing to make the dogs salivate. There’s no value in searching for meaning wrt Trump patter because there is no intent beyond stimulating slobber on the part of Trump Suckers.

    Rick Ballard (698c22)

  39. I’m left wondering

    why?

    why was Michelle battered

    why did Mr. Trump not ooze her popple and serenade the diddywall

    why is Corey free?

    dastardly Corey

    he haunts her nightmares his gripping death hand of downwards pulling

    why is he yet free

    free to batter free to batter

    batter like a fishstick nomnomnom

    batter batter batter swing

    batter

    thank you ferris

    the woods are lovely dark and deep

    but oh my goodness

    someone please call harvardtrash ted

    he’ll know what to do

    happyfeet (831175)

  40. Happyfascist,

    Your act is worn out and stale. Nothing but a trumpstain on this site.

    njrob (86a552)

  41. happyfeet may have gone “mental” like Ann Coulter says Trump has.

    Newt Gingrich calls Trump’s attack on Heidi Cruz “stupid.”

    I even saw Sean Hannity express confusion about it.

    It’s almost like Trump’s supporters are starting to see what the rest of us have seen all along.

    I said “almost.”

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  42. Trump’s m.o. Is to simply outtalk and talk on top of, and over anyone who is challenging him or asking him to clarify. He just doesn’t stop. Cooper is polite but Trump spins nonsensical circles around him when he tries to nail him on something inaccurate. I’m exhausted just watching.

    Excuse me.

    Excuse me

    Excuse me!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  43. I know, I know! Lewandowski simply had a moment of temporal fugue. He thought he was again the safety monitor in one of Trump’s SM liaisons when the dominatrix was laying on the whip a little too heavy and Trump could not shout the safe word through the ball gag.

    nk (dbc370)

  44. This whole reporter thing is nonsense, and it’s taking the spotlight off the vastly more serous (IMHO) issue that Gingrich and Coulter are condemning Trump’s behavior (And rightly so IMHO).

    If Trump’s campaign manager was competent, he’d find a way to keep Trump off Twitter.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  45. Lewandowski is Trump on Twitter. He has a history of dirty tricks campaigning, a Lee Atwater without the class.

    nk (dbc370)

  46. The mechanics of the tug render F’s version unlikely. The worst she would have done is fall into L’s chest.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  47. Her career should be over if there was any justice. She fabricated a story about being nearly “pulled to the ground” without realizing that there was video of the incident and only after it emerged did she retreat to a story of he “touched me”. Corey did no more than pull her out of Trumps personal space as she was clearly too close to him at that point. She tried to create an anti-Trump story from an incident that would be so unremarkable that if it happened to a man no one would even care.

    Mr Black (3efb66)

  48. There was no tug in it. More a pause in motion rather than a redirection.

    Either way it’s a fifteen yard penalty.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  49. The news cycle should be focused on ISIS’ slaughters in Belgium and Pakistan, as well as the fact Hillary’s going to be interviewed by the FBI.
    The GOP candidates should be on television hammering Barack for sitting next to a dictator at a baseball game, eating nachos and hot dogs, as people were being peeled off the floor in Brussels. There’s also that issue of North Korea and nukes.

    Instead, The Mr Donald has everyone talking about a misdemeanor battery charge in Florida.

    (Facepalm.)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  50. That’s because Enquiring minds want to know, Cruz Supporter. So, in a way, blaming Trump for this is like blaming a pimple for oozing. The germs created him.

    nk (dbc370)

  51. All of those things sound nice, but they won’t help you win New York, or Pennsylvania.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  52. the news media don’t give a farthing about that, one would then start to ask about the 100,000 syrians who have already come into this country, they slobber over the Bros, because they are the perfect regime, we saw this during the elian travismockasham, or the veteran who still haven’t received care or the nine million people who lost their insurance, it’s all bread
    and circuses, the former is the 200 million that has gone into ads.

    narciso (732bc0)

  53. Will it core a apple?

    nk (dbc370)

  54. How do you monitise the damage? Here’s something. The NFL “Price Per Yard” (PPY)

    The average came out to $2,203.27 per yard for Running Backs (RBs) with 100+ touches throughout the season. To put this in perspective, RBs are averaging almost as much money for 1 yard as the monthly median wage in the United States.

    So 15X the $2,203.27 per yard penalty pays the lady $33,050.00.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  55. this is the same locality, that let jeffrey epstein, walk with what amounts to a jay walking citation, because he had half the defense bar on his rolodex, you think they really care about
    some bump in jupiter,

    narciso (732bc0)

  56. Now comes word that the SS had twice told her to back off and CL didn’t touch her till she touched Trump.

    Mark Johnson (a64489) — 3/29/2016 @ 6:30 pm

    No, we don’t have that word. We have some unnamed “agent” by some random reporter. The SS has not confirmed, and has said they will not confirm. Besides, that was not heard on the audio, and if the SS was so concerned, why did NEITHER SS agent grab her?

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  57. The mechanics of the tug render F’s version unlikely. The worst she would have done is fall into L’s chest.

    papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/29/2016 @ 7:40 pm

    Her career should be over if there was any justice. She fabricated a story about being nearly “pulled to the ground” without realizing that there was video of the incident and only after it emerged did she retreat to a story of he “touched me”. Corey did no more than pull her out of Trumps personal space as she was clearly too close to him at that point. She tried to create an anti-Trump story from an incident that would be so unremarkable that if it happened to a man no one would even care.

    Mr Black (3efb66) — 3/29/2016 @ 7:41 pm

    Ah now we are on the “It didn’t happened but if it did it wasn’t that bad” defense. It could certainly feel to her she was being pulled to the ground. She never changed her story- the only one who did was Trump and Lewandoski.

    Its amazing the contortions people go to defend this man.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  58. If the goal were to allow Trump an exit, then F was the key to clearing all the others.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  59. If Fields had had a gun under her sleeve instead of whatever it was that she was concealing under her sleeve when she was thrusting her arm towards Trump, would what Lewandowski did to redirect her arm still be battery? Why wouldn’t it be, lawyers?

    jcurtis (e0ddb7)

  60. R.I.P. James Noble, actor best known for playing
    Gov. Gatling in the tv series Benson

    Icy (85c9e4)

  61. What if she were standing at the edge of a high place? What if she were diving in to a blue light special? What if she were taking the kids to the community Easter egg hunt?

    Lets wiggle.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  62. A misdemeanor is prosecuted by complaint. Either a police officer’s or a complaining witness’s (alleged victim).

    If by a police officer, a notice to appear in court on a certain date is issued at the time of the arrest very much like a traffic ticket. It may involve a bond, which may involve detention if it cannot be deposited at the station at the time of the arrest, in which case you get a very short court date, the next day or the day after.

    A complaint by a victim made at the police station may involve a visit by the police and being taken to the station in a squad car, with or without handcuffs, or it could just be a phone call. “We have a complaint against you/your client, can you come/send him to the station? Yes, there is a bond, $100.00 cash/just sign an appearance bond.”

    If the victim goes to the State’s attorney, the procedure has the extra step of a warrant being issued by a judge and sent to the police station for execution. Everything else is the same.

    There’s not a lot of “screening” of the charge. That will all take place on the first court appearance. Maybe the charges will be dropped then, or pleaded out, or tried by the court on the spot, or transferred to the jury calendar.

    So, procedurally and substantively, where Lewansdowki is now is where you would be if you had a doing-wheelies-on-a motorcycle ticket* pinned to your refrigerator with your court date on May 4. He has not even pleaded “Not Guilty” yet. He has not been asked to.

    *That’s a one-year/$1,000 misdemeanor too.

    nk (dbc370)

  63. “… and therefore never send to know for whom the iceman tolls; he tolls for thee.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  64. By the way, what was that bulky thing that Fields was concealing underneath her conspicuously baggy sweater sleeve? I’m not a journalist so I’m not learned on the pieces of large equipment journalists carry under their sleeves when approaching presidential candidates. It looked like it had some kind of knob or push-button trigger on it.

    jcurtis (e0ddb7)

  65. Obviously a small yield nuclear device which the security people let pass through the metal detectors because they were mind-controlled by the lizard overlords from the dark side of the moon, jcurtis.

    nk (dbc370)

  66. Sort of like this, nk:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZYoAmZX4rI

    The Comboberfuhrer will save us!

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  67. LOL.

    Yes, Trump should file a criminal complaint for Battery also against Fields and anyone else who “touches him without consent.”

    To boot he has Secret Service Agents on record with the Daily Mail that she touched Trump at least twice right??

    So man his case is open and shut!!!

    .
    .
    .

    Either way the Fan Bois are comical on both sides.

    I am beginning to think this is April Fools joke.

    And fact is when most of America see the Video they go “WTF? They really are out to get Trump no matter what!” As evidence by Greta Van Sustern doing the same WTF? Battery? Huh?

    To me the Cruz Fan Bois are doing their best to help Trump win with #fauxrage. Any normal human sees that Video and they walk away laughing at the Cruz people as pu**ies for protesting too much.

    Hope Ted says not a word. The Heidi stuff however is good fodder.

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  68. I remember that show!

    nk (dbc370)

  69. *to be clear ….. good fodder for Ted to bash Trumpster

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  70. A President Trump could shoot reporters at a televised press conference, and his supporters would just say they had it coming.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  71. Yes it turns out governor gTling as the optimum in governance, who would believe it.

    narciso (732bc0)

  72. Maybe Trump was reaching for his gun to protect himself from his stalker? Who is to say the screen grab is dishonest?

    Hey,,,, just as plausible as Fields saying she was nearly thrown to the floor except for her dedication to pilates and core strengthening allowing her to withstand the violent throw down visited upon her by midget CL.

    Old saying my dad had to the effect “If you want me to believe your ridiculous false story, then you must believe my ridiculous false story.”

    Ms Fields meet Mr Trump. Cruz fan bois meet Trump fan bois.

    Rodney King's Spirit (a089dc)

  73. Is that what it was, nk? Journalists obviously don’t have anything with metal on them. Not a speck of metal anywhere in the building, I’m sure.

    At the 5 second still in that new video, Lewandowski has a view of what looks like Fields with a gun in her hand. The Secret Service guy has his view blocked but he’s interested as well and close up on Fields trying to see what’s going on over her shoulder.

    As much as you hate Trump, you might want to consider how difficult you will make things on presidential security by charging battery every time someone who gets too close to the president is brushed away.

    Should security leap into action and get between the person they are guarding and someone getting too close only when there is a 100% chance that it’s someone intending to assassinate? How about if they calculate that it’s a 50% chance that it’s an assassin? How about if they calculate that it’s a 1 in 50,000 chance that it’s an assassin? How about one in a million? Now surely there is a small enough percentage type of determination that you’d want security to stand down and chance it, or else they will be beating everyone over the head non stop.

    1 in ten million?

    jcurtis (e0ddb7)

  74. I just love the way the Trumpies watch a stop-motion video @ one or two frames a second, and say that it doesn’t show this or that.

    It’s like the young-earth creationists going on about the gaps in the fossil record. You show them 47 fossils showing the fish to amphibian to reptile sequence and they say that it never shows any fish growing legs.

    Same disingenuous bullcrap. Lying sacks of sh1t the lot of them. Why do we even bother?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  75. A President Trump could shoot reporters at a televised press conference, and his supporters would just say they had it coming.

    Would you miss them? Be honest.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  76. “Ah now we are on the “It didn’t happened but if it did it wasn’t that bad” defense. It could certainly feel to her she was being pulled to the ground. She never changed her story- the only one who did was Trump and Lewandoski.

    Its amazing the contortions people go to defend this man.”

    That is actually an entirely reasonable defense. She wasn’t attacked or threatened or treated as a hostile, her arm was pulled away from the candidate by his staffer. The only reason this is anything is because she lied about the incident to make herself the focus of a dull news day, then when the anti-Trump media took up her cause, she was trapped into having to defend her false account of the story. Corey was entirely correct in saying “it never happened” because the event SHE claimed occurred, never happened. No one was thrown anywhere. If she’s said, he pulled my arm away from Trump and he denied that, then yes, he’s be lying. But there is no story in having your arm pulled out of the face of a candidate, she needed to juice it up a bit. And no we’re here. Desperate people trying to claim that ordinary crowd control behavior is the next thing to being Hitler.

    Mr Black (3efb66)

  77. The guy grabbed her and made her go from 3 miles p[er hour to zero in the span of a second. That takes energy. Quite a bit. Go down to the gym and yank someone off a treadmill and see what they do next.

    First L admitted it, and claime he had a reason. Then they lawyered up and said 2) it didn’t happen and 3) She’s lying. The 4) If it did happen, our guy didn’t do it. Now, they are at 5) What’s the big deal?

    If they lie about trivial stuff — and yes this ought to have been trivial — what will they do when it’s important? It’s like they think that they have enough willing stooges who will back any lie they want. And they seem to be right.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  78. I just love the way the Trumpies watch a stop-motion video @ one or two frames a second, and say that it doesn’t show this or that.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/29/2016 @ 9:18 pm

    Is this the same “stop-motion video” that Patterico, Ben Shapiro and a thousand leftist media outlests claim proves something about something against Lewandowski?

    C’mon, keep up.

    jcurtis (e0ddb7)

  79. Would you miss them? Be honest.

    Yes. Because a free press is the only defense we have against tyranny, short of open rebellion, and your man wants to be a tyrant.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  80. jcurtis, ropelight, papertiger, etc

    eff off stooges.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  81. I heard somewhere that people were charged and convicted of battery, even before there was cellphone footage of everything on the planet Earth. This dependence on video for everything is making people lose their minds.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  82. Problem 1:

    a) She touched Trump twice before this and the Secret Service warned her not to.
    b) She did or attempted to do it a third time and …
    c) she was quite reasonably pulled back, with minimal force.

    Problem 2

    She has a history of making dramatic charges, such as:

    a) “I called her because several months before that I published a story about how she had been sexually assaulted by former congressman (and her former colleague) Allen West. She wanted to be a source, then she didn’t, then she did, then she didn’t. It got exhausting, so I published what I had and called it a day. She freaked out and called me over and over again until I put a crappy update in it. I didn’t want to make life difficult for a victim, after all.”
    b) There are more at the above link.

    I can see a case that Lewandowski lied about not touching her (perhaps he didn’t realize it was Fields whom he had pulled back), but I’m at a loss as to why it is this woman, in particular, that you are throwing down your lot with.

    “It’s important to stress here that Fields is pretty lazy. She was fired from the Daily Caller for not doing work.”

    Sounds about right.

    Here's the problem with Michelle Fields' claim and this charge (f9e702)

  83. made her go from 3 miles p[er hour to zero in the span of a second.
    Kevin M (25bbee) — 3/29/2016 @ 9:25 pm

    Are you doing a thing?

    jcurtis (e0ddb7)

  84. One thing I’m left wondering about is the Secret Squirrel Service. It’s been claimed that she was told by them to back off- twice. Now, if they didn’t see a reason to initiate physical contact- just a reminder to all the Trump jock straps here, they’re paid to do that where necessary- why would a campaign manager attempt a restraint?

    I’m just a lowly blue collar guy that knows very little about law enforcement. Can someone (well, I know Patterico and Beldar could, perhaps a few others here) explain the difference to me between lawful and unlawful restraint? When is it battery, and when is it not?

    Also, Trump is claiming now that Fields touched him first. Never mind that this was never mentioned in his first smear of her. The allegation was only conjured up when the charges against Lewandowski were filed. So, how is it she allegedly assaulted this tough, loud dude with the flattened orange marmoset on his head? Did she haul off and whack him, or did she brush against him? If she had done something like grab him, the SS would have been Johnny-on-the-spot, and rightly so.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  85. He’s feeling beset.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  86. I believe I am correct in my comment 63 that the only person who has “charged” Lewandowski is Fields. Not a prosecutor, not a grand jury, and I very much doubt a detective. I practice in Illinois but I think Florida is the same in this regard.

    And, yes, there are the defenses of justification and implied consent for unwanted touches, but they rely on the reasonableness of the force used in the totality of the circumstances. Putting on my defense attorney’s hat, I would feel pretty confident defending Lewandowski in Chicago. Bench trial if it was one of the regular judges in the misdemeanor branches. The judge might struggle a little bit but he would come down on the side of reasonable doubt. Florida? I don’t know.

    nk (dbc370)

  87. Short version. It’s not cut and dried either way.

    nk (dbc370)

  88. I believe I am correct in my comment 63 that the only person who has “charged” Lewandowski is Fields. Not a prosecutor, not a grand jury, and I very much doubt a detective. I practice in Illinois but I think Florida is the same in this regard.

    OK, a reasonable assumption, looking at it from Illinois law. Now, wouldn’t it be approximately the same as a domestic battery? That is, regardless of whether Fields files or not, doesn’t the state become the aggrieved party? I understand this is the case in some states. Florida, or for that matter Illinois, I don’t know.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  89. Yes, absolutely. In every state. It’s only the initiation of the charge that’s different. Most felonies start out as complaints, as well, and then there’s the added requirement of a grand jury indictment or an information and probable cause hearing.

    nk (dbc370)

  90. Clarification. In every state, the state is the aggrieved party in a criminal proceeding.

    nk (dbc370)

  91. nk (#63), thank you for that very clear and informative comment regarding the procedural status of this criminal proceeding.

    Apologies in advance for this Beldar Wall-o’-Text. (I lack your concision, nk, but I admire yours greatly!)

    Regarding Ms. Fields’ allegedly inconsistent statement or statements — the current (for now) centerpiece of the Trump distraction, from the Trumpkins’ blizzard of mutually inconsistent (but uniformly mean and gutter) responses to this entire controversy:

    Here it is, the supposedly inconsistent prior statement that Trump carried on about all day. Indeed, there’s only this one, and it was not, as Trump and Trumpkins have implied and sometimes insisted, a spontaneous excited utterance made by Fields on the scene on March 8th, immediately after the incident.

    Rather, the alleged inconsistency is a based entirely on a single sentence from her written statement published by her then still-employer, Breitbart.com, on March 10th.

    Trumpkins focus exclusively on this particular sentence, near the end of the written statement: “Campaign managers aren’t supposed to try to forcefully throw reporters to the ground, no matter the circumstance.” Right? That’s the Trumpkin Party Line of the day.

    But look at the rest of the paragraph, from which that sentence has been ripped out of context (italics mine):

    Even if Trump was done taking questions, Lewandowski would be out of line. Campaign managers aren’t supposed to try to forcefully throw reporters to the ground, no matter the circumstance. But what made this especially jarring is that there was no hint Trump was done taking questions. No one was pushing him to get away. He seemed to have been happily answering queries from my fellow reporters just a moment before.

    Some grammarian among us can tell us the exact sentence diagram with all the verb tenses, but even I can spot that the phrase “even if” signals a hypothetical alternative — speculation, labeled clearly as such.

    The following sentence is a general norm of conduct, and a correct one: It is indeed true that campaign managers aren’t supposed to try to forcefully thrown reporters to the ground — which might have happened here (if she’d fallen), but she didn’t (as she’s consistently maintained everywhere else, always). Likewise, it is true that campaign managers aren’t supposed to jerk reporters by the arm hard enough to propel the reporter’s body in a sudden, radically different trajectory than she’d been walking, with a grip hard enough to leave bruises.

    Regardless, the sentence doesn’t include the words “me,” as in “this is what happened to me.” That’s an inference itself — and one which is inconsistent with the context (and more; see below).

    And then, having engaged in speculation, she signals her return to this actual incident, when she tells us “what made this especially jarring.”

    This much is all clear and unambiguous when the context is considered at all. But we need not guess about her hypothetical alternative version. We need not rely on context.

    We have something better, just two paragraphs up in this same written statement, when she gives a clear, first-hand explanation of what actually happened — an explanation in which she does not claim to have been thrown to the ground. Rather, to the contrary, here’s what Ms. Fields wrote on March 10th regarding what exactly had happened in the March 8th incident (boldface mine):

    Trump acknowledged the question, but before he could answer I was jolted backwards. Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken.

    So there is no inconsistent statement. This article at Brietbart.com, the sole supposed source of Ms. Fields’ inconsistency, actually contains a detailed explanation that’s in fact exactly consistent what what she said on the scene, later that night, and in the following days and weeks — plus it also contains an add-on hypothetical, a “might have been” sentence that the Trumpkins are focusing on exclusively as they try to blame the victim (again, and again, and again).

    *****

    But hey — the only reason one ever gets to discuss prior inconsistent statements like the one this supposedly is, is because there’s a dispute about the subject matter of the statements. So let’s pretend, contrary to the actual evidence that I’ve just walked through in painful tedious detail, that Ms. Fields did make an inconsistent statement.

    (See what I did there? Sign-posting my hypothetical. Wink wink ….)

    Let’s pretend that Ms. Fields said something genuinely inconsistent at two different times. Why would that matter, as a matter of evidentiary law and relevance?

    It would matter a great deal if we had to rely on her testimony as the exclusive source of proof about the matters under discussion in her (supposedly) inconsistent statements. If we only have her testimony, and she’s made conflicting statements, then we might think her testimony is less credible, right? We’d have to consider whether this was a trivial or an important inconsistency, something to be overlooked or something to be pondered carefully.

    But here, instead, we have the videos — multiple videos, a wealth of videos, from multiple sources and angles!

    From the videos, we know that she was indeed never thrown to the ground. So it can’t possibly matter whether her statements have been consistent or inconsistent: We don’t need to rely on her testimony at all to conclude that, yes: Ms. Fields was jolted backwards when CL grabbed her tightly by the arm and yanked her down and away. Likewise, we don’t need to rely on her testimony to conclude that, no: Ms. Fields was never on the ground. Because these are the operative facts, and they’re not in dispute, it can’t possibly matter whether she’s made prior inconsistent statements or not.

    Unless you’re illogical. Unless you’re a Trumpkin, or (worst of all) a Trumpkin shill. If you’re Trump or a Trumpkin shill, then you’ll gladly, boldly, and rudely defy logic, evidence, law, or the Devil himself, just to smear anyone whom Trump needs smearing.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  92. Beldar, I think that the Kombover King with Tiny Hands has his strategy down:

    1. Talk over anyone and everyone.
    2. Go from one unbelievable comment to the next.
    3. While the interviewer is trying to get the first dishonest statement untangled, go to the next.
    4. Rinse and repeat.

    Does he do that in court? Because he’ll have to in the Trump University case, am I right?

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-could-be-called-as-witness-in-trial-over-real-estate-school-1458325124

    What a mess.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  93. By the way, Kevin, Beldar, and nk? I saw this and was amazed.

    http://www.wired.com/2014/09/never-touch-anything-looks-like-donald-trumps-hair/

    I think it explains a lot, doesn’t it?

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  94. Thank you, Beldar.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. Heh! Do I need to tell you what megalopyge translates as? I will, anyway. Megalo is big, and pyge is buttock. “That is one big-ass caterpillar on Trump’s head.”

    nk (dbc370)

  96. Simon, that’s an apt observation, and a good question. He has a history of misbehavior in depositions, where there’s typically no judge or magistrate to enforce decorum or compel responsive answers. He probably gets away with quite a bit in depositions.

    I don’t know whether he gets away with that spiel in open court; it would depend on the judge, and the caliber of the lawyer questioning him. But as compared to the cushy conference rooms where he shows up to give his depositions, things play out differently under the flourescent lights, up on the witness stand, when there’s a bailiff with a gun and cuffs, plus a judge who can direct the bailiff to use ’em.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  97. Thank you, Beldar, for that very clear and informative comment regarding Fields’ statement and the operative facts. Excellent. Unfortunately, it won’t matter one bit to his supporters.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  98. I’m still laughing from the Trumpkin earlier today, on a previous post, who insisted that this is just politics as usual.

    Ah, yes, the good old days! I remember after the Lincoln-Douglas debates, Honest Abe and Senator Douglas would each send their goons out into the audience to bruise up the womenfolk! That’s the essence of the American political process, isn’t it? Let’s make America great again, and bruise up the womenfolk too!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  99. What a mess, Beldar. What they heck is wrong with us? I listen to his “interviews” and he acts just like a teenager caught lying. And I have had oh-so-smart students try this kind of Foghorn Leghorn approach with me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11AIVdSsP_A

    I make them stop. But apparently Trump can do circular breathing while he talks, like a digeridoo player. Sheesh.

    He sure acts like a guilty bully.

    Nk, I was hoping you would catch that. Most of the darned caterpillars don’t look quite orange enough, but I thought it was a reasonable explanation for a number of issues regarding what is one Trump’s cranium.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  100. I can just picture Trump in a meeting with investors, or fellow business persons, etc., and he starts a blustering B.S. rant, and everyone in the room knows they’re being handled and had, but hey, business, so they sit there with dumb smiles fixed on their faces all the while dreaming about the big payoff this current sacrifice of their integrity will bring them

    Dana (0ee61a)

  101. Simon Jester,

    God’s wicked sense of humor can clearly be seen in the creation of Trump caterpillars.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  102. Beldar,

    Appreciate the detailed explanation of the events at hand.

    It’s unfortunate the only ones who will listen are those who haven’t been brainwashed. True believers will never be convinced.

    njrob (86a552)

  103. Either way the Fan Bois are comical on both sides.
    I am beginning to think this is April Fools joke.

    I’d say that about sums things up.

    This is silly season, with the who’s-right, who’s-wrong arm-grabbing incident like a lame version of Rashomon.

    Every which way I turn, I can’t help but shake my head and sigh or guffaw.

    BTW, I just came across a Tweet posted earlier this month by Michael Reagan, a rather (presumably) staunch conservative and son of Ronald. Michael said the only Republican who has a chance to win in November is John Kasich, who he therefore is endorsing.

    America in the 21st century.

    Your chickens are coming home to roost.

    (Speaking of Rashomon, and thinking of Japan, there is a report from there that growing numbers of its senior citizens are starting to shoplift, either to make ends meet or, worse of all, to purposefully get arrested and then sent to jail. Apparently for the purpose of receiving free room and board. The chickens are coming home to roost in other parts of planet Earth.)

    Mark (026e69)

  104. Mark, the stupid thing about this is that Trump let this get to the point it did. They should have apologized and given the lady a 5 minute interview. End of story. Instead, they tried clumsy lie after clumsy lie.

    The worst part of it is that they have packs of digital brownshirts willing to do or say ANYTHING to back their mans lies. If he says that women like to be raped, or nobody likes football, or you should burn your money, they’ll be right there savaging attacking anyone who dares say no.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  105. *savagely

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  106. 91

    … So it can’t possibly matter whether her statements have been consistent or inconsistent …

    Of course it matters, especially if you are going to rely on her testimony about the bruise.

    James B. Shearer (0f56fb)

  107. Mark, the stupid thing about this is that Trump let this get to the point it did. They should have apologized and given the lady a 5 minute interview. End of story. Instead, they tried clumsy lie after clumsy lie.

    This is probably true. Live and learn. Trump should dump Corey for reasons unrelated to his pulling on Fields, which probably was more related to security fears than being a jerk.

    Trump needs to bring in some more of Sessions’ people. His senior advisor Stephen Miller, for example, is first-rate.

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  108. Ah, yes, the good old days! I remember after the Lincoln-Douglas debates, Honest Abe and Senator Douglas would each send their goons out into the audience to bruise up the womenfolk!

    You need to read more history, Beldar. Politics by modern standards was a pretty ugly spectacle for most of our history. You have singled out one of the gems, of course, but is Lincoln-Douglas typical? I will grant you that national politics was more cerebral. But it was often brutal and scandalous.

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  109. A test for anyone who thinks “no harm, no foul.”

    Without telling them what you are up to, have your girlfriend/boyfriend/etc walk past you at a brisk walking speed, akin to Trump bulling through a crowd. As they go past you, grab their arm firmly with both hands and halt them suddenly and completely. See if they’re bruised. See if they nearly fall down.

    See if they feel it’s “no harm, no foul.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  110. Without telling them what you are up to, have your girlfriend/boyfriend/etc walk past you at a brisk walking speed, akin to Trump bulling through a crowd. As they go past you, grab their arm firmly with both hands and halt them suddenly and completely. See if they’re bruised. See if they nearly fall down.

    Are they invading the space of a candidate for POTUS? Are SS agents reaching towards them before the person grabs them? Have they touched the POTUS? Michelle Fields has a history of invading personal space to evoke reaction–see the RFK Jr. interview on youtube. RFK Jr. is a slimeball ball but Fields is just weirdly all up in his grill. To answer your question, I would be mad if somebody grabbed my gf like that, but I think I would cool down after I considered the context in which it occurred–my gf getting way too close for comfort, moving into a security screen of SS agents when Trump was exiting the area.

    All this said, Fields does not exhibit the slightest register of surprise or anger or pain. Look at the video previously released (no the security footage).

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  111. The SS agent was not reaching towards her — at least one film clearly shows that he was on a mission off to the right. He was well past the play with his back to her when she was grabbed.

    I originally thought that it was the SS agent that grabbed her until a reverse-side video clearly showed that he was not, and that another close-cropped man, with his back to the camera, had hold of her while the SS agent was in the background looking away and moving away. Unless there was a third such man (and the video above shows none) that would be Mr L.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  112. It was not about getting too close — it was a media scrum and she was only one of a dozen people that close. All of whom had been vetted, searched. credentialed and cleared by the SS.

    Mr L just didn’t like the question.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  113. There’s a still with two SS reaching toward Fields at the same time. Check it out.

    She is weirdly close and she does touch Trump. It’s odd. She doesn’t ask questions at presser but rushes him afterwards and invades personal space. It’s almost as if she wanted some sort of confrontation. So out of character (cough).

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  114. Why do I suspect Old Reader is Christoph?

    nk (dbc370)

  115. Pass interference; Fifteen yards penalty to be assessed on kickoff.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  116. The median player salary in the NFL is 770,000; the average $1.9 million. I should hope that Ms. Fields would at least consider an offer in that neighborhood. It’s not misprision since it’s not a felony. Do you want to shoot a tweet to Trump suggesting it, papertiger?

    nk (dbc370)

  117. NK, no sock puppet. Beldar already accused me. Hopefully this Cristoph fellow is a well-liked mensch. :)

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  118. Fields does not exhibit the slightest register of surprise or anger or pain.

    Nonplussed. Too shocked to realize what happened. Outside her ken. Does not compute.

    Any of these could be her immediate reaction. Assuming she’s a little over 100 lbs, she had about 60 joules of kinetic energy from her motion, which was removed though a hold on her arm. That is the same energy imparted by being hit on that arm by a tennis ball moving at 100 MPH. It will leave a bruise, but do no lasting damage.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  119. Beldar,

    One day. Sooner or later. You will be ashamed of pushing this nonsense. You really are too smart for this. That is all.

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  120. Patterico still can’t let go of his obsession over this nothingburger, I see.

    Boris (d466a1)

  121. Actually, no, he is not. He is a follower of neo-Nazi Richard B. Spencer. (Not to be confused with Robert Spencer).

    But he is good at the soft-sell. That’s why I thought you might be him. Like just now when you did not say that you were not Christoph. Just that you were not a sock puppet and that Beldar had already accused you.

    nk (dbc370)

  122. Nonplussed. Too shocked to realize what happened. Outside her ken. Does not compute.

    There is something to this but pain or anger will register right away. I think she was probably offended after the fact, which the audio seems to confirm. Does anybody really think this is out of bounds when you get up in a presidential candidates’s grill? She isn’t just asking a question, she’s right next to him, touching him, when it was clear questioning was not permitted. It’s weird. I’d hope that I would have same reaction if this was Obama and some random Fox anchor was tugged back by Obama staff.

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  123. Trump is a nothingburger in a sane world but he has mobilized all the loonies in this one, unfortunately. Ok, not all, Bernie has the other half.

    nk (dbc370)

  124. So, your argument is that Mr L is playing junior G-Man, and — even though this is story number 9 or 10 and they never mentioned this — you’re going to go with it anyway? Really?

    OK, I’ll look again.

    Oh, look. Mr L reaches IN FRONT OF the SS agent, who is doing nothing in particular and yanks her back across the front of the agent (interfering with him actually). Darn agent wasn’t doing his job and Mr L had to take over? Is that the story you’re going to stick with?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  125. The kinetic energy argument is not supposition. It’s simple physics and it is irrefutable. She would have a bruise and she would have had pain. It would be like being nailed by a strong tennis serve.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  126. No, I really am an “old reader” who was a semi-regular reader of Patterico and Beldar (and most other conservative blogs) way back (in Bush era). Just was a little shocked they were both full on nevertrumpers (or appear to be). Would never fault a conservative for wanting Cruz over Trump but this Fields nonsense blows me away. Robert Spencer (non-Nazi) is the anti-Islam character, right? No idea who neo-Nazi “Christoph” Spencer is.

    Anyway, believe whatever you want.

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  127. Ok, just remember this conversation the next time someone says “But Cruz has never said straight out that he is not Christoph faithful to his wife”. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  128. “Trump is a nothingburger in a sane world but he has mobilized all the loonies in this one, unfortunately.”

    People are not engaged in some sort of mass delusion brought on by LSD-infected wheat or something. Trump is popular because people really think–gasp–we have had too much immigration and that free trade has decimated our middle class. Both positions are empirically sound and perfectly reasonable. No other candidate speaks to these issues like Trump.

    It’s really sad that some sort of candidate does not espouse these issues that is as presentable as, say, Speaker Ryan. But it’s no mystery why Trump has enjoyed the success he has. Add to these two basic positions, Trump is also correct about the Iraq War and the seemingly insatiable desire of neocons for endless war, conquest, and American policing of the world (see, for example the boner neocons have for Russia, which in a sane world would be an ally far before places like Saudi Arabia).

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  129. NK,

    Touche. And, unlike Cruz, I will answer this question straight out–I am not Cristoph nor any other commenter you can imagine. I probably haven’t even read this blog in around a decade. Good night.

    Old Reader (08f24c)

  130. Good night.

    nk (dbc370)

  131. I see nothing.If there is probable cause for any arrest, it’s not on that tape. Would not wish to be the ADA trying this POS case. Unless there is something else Jupiter PD and the municipality are going to be writing Mr. Lewndowsky a very big check someday. Do they have so little real crime that they entertain nonsense like this?

    Bugg (3ae93d)

  132. By any measure, Donald Trump is unfit to be president

    The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is a reliably Democrat propaganda organ but the article doesn’t go overboard in its evaluation of Trump’s complete lack of any quality which might make him fit for the office which he seeks. The MJS joins the LAT, NYT and WaPo in laying out the rationale for the necessity of completely eviscerating the blowhard liar should he be nominated. They will do so even though, as they note in the article

    In the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, he had an astounding 70% unfavorable rating among women overall, which makes him unelectable in a general election.

    because every Dem propaganda organ realizes that having scum at the top of the ticket will have negative impact down ticket and this particular scum raises the probability the women who will decisively reject the scum will also reject the party to which he occasionally belongs.

    Rick Ballard (698c22)

  133. There is nothing empirically sound with blaming free trade for your woes.

    JD (34f761)

  134. Would it be out of line for the judge to tell the guy,
    “I find you guilty of being a rude jerk, wasting my time and the taxpayers’ money because you refused to offer a simple apology.
    You are fined court costs and to be held in jail until you offer a public apology, but no more than 364 days.

    MD not exactly in Philly (64f9f9)

  135. Trump was right about the Iraq war? When he supported it, or when he claimed Bush lied us into war?

    JD (34f761)

  136. People are not engaged in some sort of mass delusion brought on by LSD-infected wheat or something. Trump is popular because people really think–gasp–we have had too much immigration and that free trade has decimated our middle class. Both positions are empirically sound and perfectly reasonable. No other candidate speaks to these issues like Trump.

    It’s really sad that some sort of candidate does not espouse these issues that is as presentable as, say, Speaker Ryan. But it’s no mystery why Trump has enjoyed the success he has. Add to these two basic positions, Trump is also correct about the Iraq War and the seemingly insatiable desire of neocons for endless war, conquest, and American policing of the world (see, for example the boner neocons have for Russia, which in a sane world would be an ally far before places like Saudi Arabia).

    Too much immigration is empirically sound. Not free trade “decimating the middle class”. Free trade reduces the cost of things, which is good for the middle class. If you want to decimate the middle class, boost the cost of goods by 45%. Someone who actually thinks that idea makes sense would be someone I suspect of doing LSD. Nor has the middle class been decimated at all. I don’t know where you get that from.

    Who/what exactly are neocons? Give me some names of neocons and show where they advocate endless war, and finally which candidate they are with.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  137. Only one way for old reader to prove he MAY not be Christoph: foreskin inspection, and nk, you are hereby so tasked…

    Colonel Haiku (9be3ce)

  138. There is something to this but pain or anger will register right away. I think she was probably offended after the fact, which the audio seems to confirm. Does anybody really think this is out of bounds when you get up in a presidential candidates’s grill? She isn’t just asking a question, she’s right next to him, touching him, when it was clear questioning was not permitted. It’s weird. I’d hope that I would have same reaction if this was Obama and some random Fox anchor was tugged back by Obama staff.

    Old Reader (08f24c) — 3/30/2016 @ 1:13 am

    Your guy lied. Over and over again. Repeatedly.

    His claim is now that he was touched and the Secret Service did nothing so his hero campaign manager needed to come to his rescue. You use fake stills to support your claim. Ignoring that the stills don’t have context like Trump’s own fake tweet about him holding his hands up in fear when he was really reaching into his pocket.

    You also ignore the fake “evidence” of when Lewandowski and Trumpbart tried to make it seem like he was no where near the event to call Ms. Fields a liar and delusional. You ignore all their false denials anything happened. You ignore that the actions happened exactly as she said they did.

    You sir are a liar just like your guy.

    NJRob (a07d2e)

  139. No, MD, the judge could not do that because it does not make any money for the prisoner industry. He could sentence him to an ankle monitor provided by his brother-in-law at $120/day, and to 100 hours of counseling at $300/hr by his cousin the court-appointed psychiatrist, while Lewandowski does his 364 days at a halfway house leased to the county by the chief judge’s wife.

    nk (dbc370)

  140. What would be the point of preparing a rebuttal based upon empirical evidence to an argument designed to impress a profoundly ignorant and intellectually limited target audience? Bastiat’s candlemaker petition was first published in 1845 and French farmers (along with EUtopia in general) still insist upon protectionist trade barriers in 2016 in order to gouge a living out of an ignorant public willing to have its pockets picked for the sake of “fairness” to producers.

    A simple statement that Trump wants to make you pay $800 for your $500 dollar flat screen would be more effective upon the intended audience.

    Rick Ballard (698c22)

  141. Trump is popular because people really think–gasp–we have had too much immigration and that free trade has decimated our middle class. Both positions are empirically sound and perfectly reasonable. No other candidate speaks to these issues like Trump.

    Because of these two issues, you are willing to overlook Trump’s many flaws and the fact that he has no plan to solve these two issues in a way that makes sense?

    DRJ (15874d)

  142. “Old Reader” is special. He/she/it will slip up. It is inconceivable that he has read Patterico and Beldar as long as he claims and never commented previously, especially in light of its blizzard of asshattery since it started commenting as OR. It will make a mistake. They always do.

    JD (722404)

  143. Cruz has a record of shutting down amnesty. Trump has a record of calling for amnesty and hiring illegal aliens, as well as making his products in China, shipping our jerbs away.

    It’s true that no one in the GOP primary process speaks to these issues like Trump, but that’s not a compliment. Stop being a sucker. DRJ is right that he doesn’t even understand anyone else’s plan on immigration let alone have one himself. His plan is simply to go right in the primary in a big way, and centrist in a big way for the general.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  144. For instance, we don’t want to “solve” free trade by eliminating all imports, do we? Did you know that we import 19% and growing of the food we eat? And we won’the be able to eat some foods at all if we don’t import them: mong the major food groups with the highest import shares are fish and shellfish, fruits and nuts, sweeteners, and wine.  The import share for tropical products such as bananas, mangos, coffee, cocoa, tea, spices, olive oil, and tropical oils are at or near 100 percent since domestic production is close to zero.  Other examples of highly import-dependent products include cashew nuts, pecans, apple juice, table grapes, melons, and fresh tomatoes.  Foods with increasing import shares include lamb meat, orange juice, frozen potatoes (french fries), rice, and candy. As consumer incomes have risen, demand for off-season produce and premium quality products such as coffee, chocolate, nuts, beer, and cheeses has also gone up.

    But Trump doesn’t like to talk details and my guess is that you don’t either.

    DRJ (15874d)

  145. there’s no way forward for an increasingly out of mainstream weirdo Team R without addressing the issues what are propelling Mr. Trump

    the disrespect what the harvardtrash pompom society have for him is very very toxic to an already sick party

    at *best* Mr. Cruz and Heidicakes are buttsnuffling their way to a victory most pyrrhic

    but beyond the losings

    all the nevertrumpers gonna do is validate the feeling that Team R is incapable of addressing the issues what motivate Mr. Trump’s voters

    this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (831175)

  146. I goofed up the formatting in my last comment. Try again:

    For instance, we don’t want to “solve” free trade by eliminating all imports, do we? Did you know that we import 19% and growing of the food we eat? And we won’the be able to eat some foods at all if we don’t import them:

    Among the major food groups with the highest import shares are fish and shellfish, fruits and nuts, sweeteners, and wine.  The import share for tropical products such as bananas, mangos, coffee, cocoa, tea, spices, olive oil, and tropical oils are at or near 100 percent since domestic production is close to zero.  Other examples of highly import-dependent products include cashew nuts, pecans, apple juice, table grapes, melons, and fresh tomatoes.  Foods with increasing import shares include lamb meat, orange juice, frozen potatoes (french fries), rice, and candy. As consumer incomes have risen, demand for off-season produce and premium quality products such as coffee, chocolate, nuts, beer, and cheeses has also gone up.

    But Trump doesn’t like to talk details and my guess is that you don’t either.

    DRJ (15874d)

  147. Your explanation at #138 shows you really do understand the reason behind modern “law”, nk: to make money! Penalties and punishment be damned. It’s all about the greenbacks.

    Have you seen the rape of the working man they’re getting away with in the DUI laws? Car forfeiture, fines, classes, court, probation, AA, treatment, interlocks? And that’s if they’re NOT in an accident. In reality if they wanted to stop 99% of DUI all they need to do is mandate interlocks for all cars like they did seat belts, airbags and 10mph bumpers etc.. But there’s no money for them in that. I know a couple guys who have gone through a living hell for DUI’s. They would have had less penalties if they pistol whipped a Korean shop owner and robbed the register. Like they do repeatedly in Philly.

    Imam Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  148. Yes and agriculture is not the predominant concern, it is the outsourcing of manufacturing which helped turn the urban centers into warzones, which made suburbs the refuge.

    narciso (732bc0)

  149. Oh, HF….


    “…at *best* Mr. Cruz and Heidicakes are buttsnuffling their way to a victory most pyrrhic…”

    Give your own trumpsnuffling, coupled with your vulgarity, persistent misogyny, and lazy approach to facts…not to mention the polls….

    C’mon. Your comment was hilariously hypocritical.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  150. Yes the craven corporatism that masquerades as realism, has done us little favors, the anaconda like embrace of the raids has brought is to this place.

    narciso (732bc0)

  151. The princes of arabia, had they their want, the jews would be cleansed from the Levant as they were in the penisula.

    narciso (732bc0)

  152. Does anyone else remember President Obama’s trip to the CDC?

    He gets in an elevator, with SS in a secured building.

    A security contractor running the elevator pesters him for a selfie despite the SS telling him to cool it. He got fired on the spot and he turns over a gun that the SS had no idea about and it turns out he had three convictions for assault and battery.

    This is more for the before part than the aftermath-to whomever feels reassured on Trump’s behalf that the SS properly screens people at events.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  153. And it has to do with the actual facts of the Fields incident what?

    nk (dbc370)

  154. Colonel Haiku – bad touch! Bad!

    SPQR (a3a747)

  155. Hey, nk, did you hear what Trump claims are three most important jobs of the Federal government?

    Look at Anderson Cooper’s face.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM6vU-HOOqc

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  156. Now, you could say that she got what she deserved because it is the media that has elevated the big-ass-caterpillar-head to where he’s at and no decent person would go within a mile of the loon and his goons ….

    nk (dbc370)

  157. More on topic, nk, I never thought we would see a world where folks were okay with this sort of thing.

    Weird.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  158. Its much ado about nothing, but seeing as this what are considered first world problems carry on.

    narciso (732bc0)

  159. 144.there’s no way forward for an increasingly out of mainstream weirdo Team R without addressing the issues what are propelling Mr. Trump

    They don’t want to address anything, happyfeet. They want to spend time b!tching and complaining about Trump every time he farts. Things we as Republicans should be talking about this election season like immigration, terrorism, the slow economy, jobs, changing the tax laws and replacing Obamacare are being ignored by the talking heads, the news media and this blog because they’re so occupied going after Trump nothing else matters. It’s a constant cacophony of anti-Trump complaining all day every day. That’s okay, President Clinton will address these things, much to our detriment.

    Imam Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  160. nk,
    could he at least demand an apology or get put in jail instead of half-way house?
    and
    can he get charged court fees as well????

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (ef31c4)

  161. yes yes it’s a huge wasted opportunity

    very hard to understand the logics

    happyfeet (831175)

  162. Simon,
    My condolences as well.
    I was hoping to add something more to that, but I haven’t come up with anything.

    In the midst of moving my parents to Philly in a few days.

    MD soon back in Philly (ef31c4)

  163. Huh? Wut?

    nk (dbc370)

  164. Simon,

    Trump has made some interesting admissions in his depositions (including that his evaluation of his financial portfolio varies based on his feelings). Typically witnesses can bloviate more in depositions than in trials, plus it’s not clear to me that Trump has actually testified in many trials.

    Speaking of trials, Trump is clueless about law.

    DRJ (15874d)

  165. Simon 154,

    That must be Trump’s socialist side. We’ll see that a lot more in the general election if Trump is the nominee.

    DRJ (15874d)

  166. Trump is the one who won’t debate, Hoagie. He has bluster but no policies or details.

    DRJ (15874d)

  167. No, MD, I don’t think the judge can condition imprisonment on an apology. He has to stay strictly within the confines of the sentencing statute. Yes, on the fees and court costs. The ones I mentioned are the big money ones. The “court costs” court costs are a few hundred dollars if that. But, again, imprisonment cannot be conditioned on their payment. “Thirty dollars or thirty days” has been unconstitutional for about forty years. But there are other ways to squeeze money out of prisoners, usually as part of a plea deal.

    nk (dbc370)

  168. Its pal beach where they let Epstein skate, just slightly less shamefully then him bulow, you still don’t know this game?

    narciso (732bc0)

  169. I love it when Hoagie and happyfeet agree.

    nk (dbc370)

  170. Well, if I was the judge, I would do it anyway…
    or at least say in court that if he had just apologized in the first place, instead of being a jerk, he wouldn’t be there
    or maybe
    if I can’t make the punishment contingent on whether he will apologize, I will make him write 100 times each day on a piece of paper:
    “If I wasn’t such a jerk I would have apologized and not be in this half-way house.”
    And I would want to see 364 sets of paper before released.

    MD soon back in Philly (ef31c4)

  171. The Huh wut guy chides me about commenting on topic?

    Harrumph!

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  172. In chicago, they took out the most pro administration paprler out and turned it over to the bland mange Barclay bros. The supreme court finally acknowledged the heist but it was still too late.

    narciso (732bc0)

  173. The fitzapalooza that the journalist created, their attempt at watergate, happened because of the efforts of the fellow who we vainly trust to the right thing with red queen.

    narciso (732bc0)

  174. Dana (0ee61a) — 3/29/2016 @ 6:51 pm

    Trump assuming responsibility for his staff. Instead, what we are seeing is the direct result of stupendous stupidity and arrogance.

    Trump didn’t want to get fired by Corey Lewandowski.

    Sammy Finkelman (0c6103)

  175. I know no thinks fits would do no wrong, but that is rarely true.

    narciso (732bc0)

  176. Oh, the tongue-lashing is perfectly fine. Judges do it all the time. They are supposed to take the defendant’s propensity and the probability that he will commit the offense again into account.

    Did I tell you about the 70-year old burglar I defended one time? He was a career criminal and the judge was not kind. He pointed out that my client had 17 previous convictions and had spent half his life in and out of prisons. He concluded, “I have no choice but to sentence you to 20 years for the protection of society”. My client started shaking like a leaf. He whimpered, “Your Honor, I am 70 years old. I can’t do 20 years.” I could see that touched the judge deeply. He leaned over the bench, patted my client on the shoulder, and gently said, “It’s ok. Just do as much as you can.”

    nk (dbc370)

  177. Lewandowski just let his natural cop-instincts (to manhandle civilians and lie about it) get the best of him. Too bad you don’t get qualified immunity just for being some a**hole(‘s?) campaign manager, amirite?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  178. (Sorry. I apologize to the many good cops who by no means deserve to be compared to Corey Lewandowski).

    Leviticus (efada1)

  179. Please he didn’t think much of it, he wanted his candidate out of the room, and on to the next event.

    narciso (732bc0)

  180. Oh, Hoagie….

    “…They want to spend time b!tching and complaining about Trump every time he farts…”

    So maybe Trump ought to quit breaking wind every time he opens his mouth.

    Honestly, if he started talking about policy and people in a serious fashion, I would take him seriously. And maybe he could reduce those negatives—highest in history, correct? But Hoagie, Trump works hard to earn those negatives. That’s not due to an evil conspiracy.

    Trump writes checks with his mouth he can’t cash. He wants you to do it for him.

    So people are worried about the fact he is acting nuttier than squirrel poop right now.

    As for electing HRC, Trump would be wise to start doing better on those head to head polls instead of insisting that there are many such polls showing him the winner. Or cite those polls.

    You see? I mean no disrespect. But Trump is a con man, through and through.

    “A Face in the Crowd” comes to mind.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  181. nk 175,

    Hilarious, and we have several judges like him where I live.

    DRJ (15874d)

  182. Leviticus, I read a little about Lewandowski and I am not reassured; he seems like a bully. Though I appreciate your comment not painting all police officers with a bully brush.

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  183. Anyone self-described ‘conservative’ taking the WOW, JUST WOW, COREY IS A WOMAN-BRUISING THUG line after this video is a permanently untrustworthy liberal SJW, or a gigantic idiot, but the latter is me being charitable.

    Fields, the SJW, started it. Trump, according to The Current Year’s Rules of Social Media Engagement And Legal Best Practices, is simply finishing it by using her hypersensitive bad-faith tactics against her. You callow C-words are acting like these hypersensitive bad-faith tactics are somehow something Trump has been introducing rather than fighting with and against for the past 8 months. You are therefore laughable, unserious, and unworthy of being trusted with normal people governance.

    Dystopia Max (644624)

  184. Hmmm. Michele Fields as a SJW. Who knew?

    Some Trumpkins like their Bully, don’t they?

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  185. Ah simon, the narrative is the thing, not the truth, it gets in the way of whatever scheme they are pulling off.

    narciso (732bc0)

  186. Trump supporters are reasonable to get irritated that conservatives won’t recognize how Trump is willing to say things that are politically incorrect. But they are unreasonable when they insist that Trumps past political positions don’t matter, especially since he won’t debate or talk about specifics now.

    You can’t have it both ways. Either he explains why he changed his opinions and which opinions he’s changed and he talks specifics at debates, which means doing more than blustering and bloviating. Or his past positions are his current positions. Either way, it’s becoming more and more clear than Trump is hiding something. It could be that he’s not a conservative. It could also be that he’s stupid, a fool, or a con man.

    DRJ (15874d)

  187. Victim-blaming is special.

    JD (34f761)

  188. @179 Simon Jester

    Considering the gathering Bushes behind the scenes in the Cruz campaign, I’d compare Ted Cruz to Gary Cooper in “Meet John Doe”.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  189. Universal healthcare and education are 2 of the 3 most important jobs of the federal government.

    JD (34f761)

  190. well that is most of the budget is it not jd, defense is a distant third, and the unfunded liabilities, well they are legion,

    narciso (732bc0)

  191. The water is so poisoned now that I don’t think both Trump and Cruz can survive through the Republican convention, much less win in November. Some other candidate from the party is going to have to step in, perhaps super squishy John Kasich.

    Pathetic.

    What’s laughable is the assumption that the 2016 election was Hillary’s to lose continues onward and upward. There’s also the growing realization that even someone as ultra-liberal as Bernie Sanders may have more of an edge than believed possible not long ago.

    Been nice knowing you, America.

    Mark (026e69)

  192. SJW has become the “racist” of the misogynistic homos who read the likes of Mike Cernovich, Vox Day and Milo Yiannopoulos.

    nk (dbc370)

  193. Trump would be happy to accept support from the Bush family because he has embraced the establishment. Trump was in DC last week begging for establishment support.

    DRJ (15874d)

  194. the net turn out has been down 30% vs 2008 numbers, the fragile plurality suggests more movement on the gop side, doc brown, moves the needle more, but against the demographic stalwarts.

    narciso (732bc0)

  195. “Leviticus, I read a little about Lewandowski and I am not reassured; he seems like a bully. Though I appreciate your comment not painting all police officers with a bully brush.”

    – Simon Jester

    I realized I needed to walk it back a bit. Police officers receive training in the tactical use of aggression and physical force. Some of them recognize it as a tool on their tool belt, and use it reluctantly/judiciously. Some of them (like Lewandowski) treat it as a mandate to use physical force at every opportunity.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  196. yes, that mostly unsourced politico piece, from last week, just another game of telephone, the same people who carried the ‘dog on the roof’, rubio’s luxury speedboat, and other squirrel are telling you this,

    narciso (732bc0)

  197. “Trump was in DC last week begging for establishment support.”

    – DRJ

    Uh, I’m pretty sure you mean tricking them into Making American Great Again using Teh Art of Teh Dealz. Begging is for looosahs.

    Leviticus Channeling the Build-a-Wall Guild (efada1)

  198. “Hmmm. Michele Fields as a SJW. Who knew?”

    You could have asked other people with a history of being right and taking real risks.

    “The water is so poisoned now that I don’t think both Trump and Cruz can survive through the Republican convention, much less win in November. Some other candidate from the party is going to have to step in, perhaps super squishy John Kasich.”

    Don’t project your own inability to deal with failure’s with ours. Ratcheting up the War on Women rhetoric and resiging careers over a nothingburger by an underqualified serial accuser was a pretty stupid move, yes. Trump however, can recover easily from this. Your boy Cruz can’t.

    Dystopia Max (644624)

  199. well who knows anymore, there was a whispering campaign against allen west, and pajamas media kicked him to the curb, after the top men, redrew his district,

    narciso (732bc0)

  200. If “recovery” means continue swimming in the sewer of the lunatic fringe which is outnumbered by Bernie’s supporters alone.

    nk (dbc370)

  201. 190.The water is so poisoned now that I don’t think both Trump and Cruz can survive through the Republican convention, much less win in November.

    Just stop right there, Mark, you need say no more. The democrats fearing a Trump populist beating rallied their willing accomplices in the press, late night TV, the leftosphere and Hollywood to bad mouth Trump so successfully the Republicans joined them in defeating their own guy. So now all the democrats and half the Republicans are united against Trump so Hillary! wins, America loses and the Republican party will be diluted into extinction within two years.

    But you’ve all done a marvelous job of standing on your moral principles. It’s far better to have a moslem loving communist who knows exactly where she wants America than a dumb-as$ lose cannon. Allahu Akbar!

    Imam Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  202. Salaam aleikum, Imam.

    nk (dbc370)

  203. Oh, and now even if Cruz does get the nomination which I think he will, the “water is so poisoned” NO Republican could beat ANY democrat for President. So instead of a real, conservative, decent reformer like Cruz we’ll be stuck with Obama 2.0 and all the commie crap that it brings. Nice job. Allahu Akbar!

    As Michael Corleone said to his brother Alfredo: “Never take sides against the family”. And all you Trump bashers did just that. And you did it in front of the enemy. Just being against Trump or for Cruz wasn’t enough. You had to bad-mouth Trump incessantly every day and night until the entire Republican brand now looks completely loony. We will lose the Presidency which was in the bag after this loser Obama, but we will also lose the House and Senate, many state legislatures and the ability to appoint to the Supreme Court. I don’t think the democrats with George Soros leading the charge could have orchestrated a more effective vivisection of our party.

    Imam Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  204. Your complaint only makes sense because you would have been perfectly fine with Trump as president. The people who have attacked Trump as a liar, cheat, coward, phony, etc. have done so A) because he is, and B) because they were absolutely *not* fine with having a man like that as president.

    So, basically, people put their actual representation preferences above the horse-race. They spoke their minds, just like the idiots speaking their minds in support of Trump. Both groups were entitled to do so.

    Leviticus Channeling the Build-a-Wall Guild (efada1)

  205. The GOP isn’t my family and never will be, even if Cruz is the nominee.

    DRJ (15874d)

  206. For the discouragement of others, Most Holy One. Let’s lance the poison now so our children will not be faced with a succession of Trumps.

    nk (dbc370)

  207. What, nk? You don’t think “Baron Baron Trump” has a nice ring to it?

    Leviticus (efada1)

  208. Trump however, can recover easily from this. Your boy Cruz can’t.

    While I do prefer Cruz from both an ideological and character standpoint (recent rumors notwithstanding), I he lacks visceral appeal to do well in the general election. Much of that is due to how foolishly liberal this society has become, meaning a conservative has to be almost perfect in every way possible to have enough traction with a large enough percentage of squishes and liberals (much less disaffected, un-tethered Republicans) to do well in a general election.

    It’s far better to have a moslem loving communist who knows exactly where she wants America than a dumb-as$ lose cannon.

    And to say he’s a communist (or so sympathetic with that ideology there’s not much of a difference when using that label) is no longer a matter of hyperbole or sarcasm.

    As for Islamofascism, the one good thing about that theology/ideology cropping up in today’s world is it illustrates just how deranged many liberals throughout the Western World truly are. As I said previously, I wish the two groups would gather together in a large room and have a go at it. But just leave sensible, logical, normal folks out of that debacle.

    Mark (6c93d5)

  209. Don Don?

    nk (dbc370)

  210. The GOP is seeing a strong primary fight, which it deserves after so many years of Beltway Cartel behavior. Competition isn’t easy or fun but it’s bether than government control of our lived.

    Trump supporters don’t want competition in their lives or their politics because it’s hard and there are losers. They like Trump because he promises to make them winners, not losers, but how can he do that? Obama promised the same thing for blacks with Hope and Change, but he couldn’t deliver either. Government will never put the poor first.

    The way to make things better in the long run is what Cruz says — rein in government regulations and let the market compete.

    DRJ (15874d)

  211. 203.Your complaint only makes sense because you would have been perfectly fine with Trump as president.

    When did I ever state that I’m “perfectly fine with Trump as President”? The answer is never so don’t put words in my mouth. I was for Walker, then Fiorina and now Cruz. What I did state was that I’d rather have happyfeet as President rather than Hillary! or Sanders.

    The people who have attacked Trump as a liar, cheat, coward, phony, etc. have done so A) because he is, and B) because they were absolutely *not* fine with having a man like that as president.

    And that’s fine right up to the point they began to sound like obsessive idiots constantly complaining about everything Trump does or says. And right up to the point where they began calling fellow Republicans all sorts of rubbish instead of the enemy. And right up to the point where beating Trump became more important than beating Hillary!. IOW, right up to the point where they joined the democrat party to defeat a Republican.

    So, basically, people put their actual representation preferences above the horse-race.

    People’s “representation preferences” are the horse race or don’t you get that?

    They spoke their minds, just like the idiots speaking their minds in support of Trump. Both groups were entitled to do so.

    Yes, they spoke their minds irrevocably harming the Republican name. Instead of allowing Trump to fade away they made him a cause celeb and sullied the party by doing just what you did when you called them “idiots”. If elitist Republicans won’t at least respect other Republicans why should democrats or moderates or independents?

    Imam Hoagie ™ (e4fcd6)

  212. Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/29/2016 @ 9:32 pm

    why would a campaign manager attempt a restraint?

    Because she was asking Donald Trump a question the campaign manager decided he shouldn’t answer; or because she was doing something like what Sam Donaldson used to do to President Reagan (asking a question when he was leaving after some press event) and the campaign manager didn’t want Trump to stop; and he didn’t recognize her, and didn’t realize she was from a friendly news organization because she was substituting for the regular Trump correspondent from Breitbart.

    So he bounced her. She was surprised. and mentoned that to Washington Post reporter Ben Terris.

    In addition to the video, there is 1 minute and 19 seconds of audio, and a transcript, but it on Politico, and Patterico doesn’t want links to Politico but you can do a Google search for it:

    Din of people talking, clanking of glasses, snippets of conversation, reporters telling one another to ‘move up a little’, greeting each other, saying ‘good to see you’ saying ‘OK good quote then’, then clearly action picks up as cameras start clicking.

    Fields: “Mr. Trump, you went after the late Scalia for affirmative action, do you — are you still against affirmative action?”

    Voice (allegedly Corey Lewandowski): “Excuse me, thank you.”

    A few moments later (noise of the room can be heard)…

    Terris: “You OK?”

    Fields: “Holy sh*t.”

    Terris: “Yeah, he just threw you.”

    Fields: “I can’t believe he just did that. That was so hard. Was that Corey?”

    Terris: “Yeah, like, what threat were you?”

    Fields: “That was insane. You should have felt how hard he grabbed me. That’s insane. I’ve never had anyone do that to me from a campaign.”

    Terris: “Can I put that in my story?”

    Fields: “Yeah, go for it — that was really awful. That’s so unprofessional.”

    Terris: “He really just almost threw you on the ground.”

    Fields: “He literally went like this and was grabbing me down. “I don’t even want to do what he just did to me. Oh my God, that really spooked me that someone would do that.”

    Terris: “What threat were you?”

    Fields: “Nothing. I was asking about affirmative action.”

    Terris: “And he probably knows you, right?”

    Fields: “Yeah, I don’t understand. That looks horrible. You’re going after a Breitbart reporter, the people who are nicest to you?”

    Terris: “I know, I’m going to put it in my story.”

    The two stop talking. Din/noise of people talking, glasses clinking continue through end of the recording.

    She complained, or rather, the Washington Post complained for her, and then a variety of different lies took place on the part of Trump and company, and an apology to Breitbart.com with Breitbart then trying to get its employees to say nothing.

    Sammy Finkelman (0c6103)

  213. Because she was asking Donald Trump a question the campaign manager decided he shouldn’t answer; or because she was doing something like what Sam Donaldson used to do to President Reagan (asking a question when he was leaving after some press event) and the campaign manager didn’t want Trump to stop; and he didn’t recognize her, and didn’t realize she was from a friendly news organization because she was substituting for the regular Trump correspondent from Breitbart.

    Even though it’s sort-of the correct answer Sammy, I was looking to go in a different direction. What I wanted to know is who gave Lewandowski the authority to act as a cop. It wasn’t the Secret Service (I have to type that out. Calling them the SS has an entirely different connotation.) that authorized force. Protection of the candidate is the entire point. Lewandowski does not operate under a color of authority. Harsh questioning or not, I’m doubting she would have gotten within several inches of Trump without being ID’d as a member of the press. Trump could have simply refused the question, and Lewandowski could have simply moved on.

    The only way Lewandowski could justify this was if he saw an actual threat to Trump, and acted to stop it. And you know what? This could have gone away rapidly. All Trump needed to do was say “I’m sorry, my manager acted inappropriately, come with me, you’ll get a 5 minute one-on-one.” Then send her a bouquet the next day. Crisis averted.

    Not to go off on a tangent, but Breitbart acted shamefully in the aftermath.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  214. Didn’t Lewandowski himself say something like that initially? That he thought it was some other reporter? And then walked that back?

    nk (dbc370)

  215. Hoagie, when you were whining that Trump has to face criticism in a presidential primary, did you consider that Trump has criticized his opponents for being like child molesters or because he thinks their wives are ugly?

    Because it seems like you’re OK with attacking republicans who aren’t your guy, but forbidding attacking the ‘republican’ who is your guy. Thin skin.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  216. it was on social media, which lends itself to all manner of stupidity,

    narciso (732bc0)

  217. but also the little bobblehead, she coulda handled this way more better than snowflaking out all over the macaca press boy and going to her safe place with an adult coloring book and a pint of gelato, trying vainly to resist the allure of going full snowflake on the twitters

    happyfeet (831175)

  218. In baseball, every once in a while you get hit by the ball.
    In the press gaggle every once in a while you get grabbed, tripped etc
    Life is a mild contact sport, and people deal with far worse than this two finger bruise thing every day, so to me, she is a snowflake

    The cover up is what is killing Lewandowski (distant relative though he is of the great player for Bayern Munich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lewandowski)
    a simple “she was going that way, I was going this way, I reached out to grab her sleeve and to tell her no more questions and got her arm instead. oops” He must know where the bodies are buried because Trump says he is loyal, but he seems like a guy who is a lot more loyal when you have leverage

    steveg (fed1c9)

  219. Trump seems like a guy who is a lot more loyal when you’ve got leverage on him.

    steveg (fed1c9)


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