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3/12/2016

Woman Who Gave Nazi Salute Is Not Leftist False Flag

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:48 am

You may have seen a picture of a Donald Trump supporter throwing up a Nazi salute. Some misinformation has been going around the ‘Net claiming the woman was a Bernie supporter and false flag:

But this is wrong.

The caption for the original photo reads: “Donald Trump supporter Birgitt Peterson, center, of Yorkville, argues with protesters March 11, 2016, outside the UIC Pavilion after the rally for the Republican presidential candidate was canceled.”

And we see from this article that the woman in question has been an anti-tax activist.

For Peterson, 54, local politics have been a way of life since he moved to Yorkville in 1976. Early on, he and his wife, Birgitt, complained about an airport and gravel pits proposed nearby. Then, Birgitt Peterson started the Yorkville TEA Party, or Taxpayers’ Education Association, to push for a tax cap.

Now: this article is from 2000, meaning the “TEA party” she founded is not the same “TEA party” that sprang up shortly after Obama’s election in 2008. But a leftist activist does not typically start a “TEA party” seeking a tax cap.

I think Trumpers are going to have to face up to the fact that this woman is just another Neo-Nazi. She’s one of many.

UPDATE: The New York Times has an article in which the woman says she was mocking people who compared Trumpers to Nazis. But the article also quotes an onlooker who disputes her story, quoting her instead as saying this is what “we” did back in the day.

I’ll give this lady the benefit of the doubt. Trump has enough definite Neo-Nazis supporting him. We needn’t conclude this lady is too, just to say there is a problem.

164 Responses to “Woman Who Gave Nazi Salute Is Not Leftist False Flag”

  1. You go well over the line when you brand Trump supporters as “neo-nazi”. Its your website so you can certainly do so if it floats your boat, but you damage your own long tern credibility.

    Mark Johnson (b68e54)

  2. When you start fooling around with the Founder’s white male landed voter ideal eventually the neo-nazis get a voice in our government.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  3. Meh.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  4. Mark Johnson, if you think it’s problematic to label someone a neo-nazi who is literally giving the Heil Hitler in public with a straight face, I don’t really know what you could possibly think was sufficient evidence. Whether or not every Trump supporter deserves the label, she clearly does.

    James Rosenzweig (dadd4c)

  5. It’s just an “upward facing dog” yoga move some crazy old cat ladies use.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. Did she say “Heil Hitler”? I saw a Nazi “parade” (six idiots in poor replicas of WWII uniforms) when I lived in Texas and they actually were Nazis and shouted Heil Hitler all over the place. I think this old broad may just be a nut case seeing her “history”.

    I like that the Communist Party USA endorses Sanders, the entire party, but one crazy old woman seems to indicate the Dark Side runs deep in the Trump camp.

    Rev. TrusTED Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  7. It’s just an “upward facing dog” yoga move some crazy old cat ladies use.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 3/12/2016 @ 8:13 am

    It’s the old joke, Herr Oberst: “My dog can jump this high…”

    There is plenty to hang on Trump. This isn’t in that category.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  8. ^^^^^^What he said^^^^^^

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  9. You go well over the line when you brand Trump supporters as “neo-nazi”. Its your website so you can certainly do so if it floats your boat, but you damage your own long tern credibility.

    Where do I do that? Some of them are. Not all. Never said otherwise.

    Patterico (2975ef)

  10. If she posts a Nazi slogan on Patterico.com, it means Patterico is Hitler.

    jcurtis (5055ca)

  11. If she snapped her heels three times would she end up in Kansas?

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  12. Patterico,
    i/o bitching at Trump and supporters what don’t you address their concerns?

    Trump is a vessel. If it’s not him, it will be someone else like him.
    It’s not just “anger” as the GOPe insists.
    It’s the kid getting expelled for eating a PopTart into the shape of a gun.
    It’s the Knockout Game.
    It’s a Marine getting sucker-punched walking out of a McDonald’s in Washington D.C.
    It’s cops being ambushed and executed.
    It’s the thousands of incidents that take place every week in this country.
    Conservatism won’t work in a country gone wrong.
    It won’t work in a country that is the biggest debtor nation in history.
    It won’t work in a country that is the largest importer of manufactured goods on the planet.

    Get out of the way ….

    G6loq (3a2647)

  13. If she posts a Nazi slogan on Patterico.com, it means Patterico is Hitler.

    jcurtis (5055ca) — 3/12/2016 @ 8:31 am

    I would delete it, or use it as an object lesson in what I reject. I would not cultivate an atmosphere in which people like her feel comfortable, or emboldened. That’s where your stupid analogy fails.

    Patterico (2975ef)

  14. G6loq,

    I address your concerns (except for the stupid one) by advocating a vote for Ted Cruz. (The stupid one is your concern about our country importing goods. Thank God for cheap imported goods, which make our lives better, and raise our standard of living– not that I expect you to ever understand this.)

    Patterico (2975ef)

  15. You’re angry, so you’re voting for Donald Trump!!!

    Patterico (2975ef)

  16. Conservatism won’t work in a country gone wrong.

    It is exactly where it will work, if big government backed out of the way.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  17. There are no winners when the Truth is abused:

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/03/12/we-warned-you-trump-shutdown-is-just-the-beginning/

    No one will be proud after this election is over.

    DNF (ffe548)

  18. This line sort of gave me that idea:

    “this woman is just another Neo-Nazi. She’s one of many.”

    Mark Johnson (a64489)

  19. 16. “if”, coulda, woulda, etc., is just lame.

    This is manifestly not a two-man contest and blaming Trump for the violence is jackazzed mendacity.

    Cruz is threatening to implode just like Roobs before him.

    DNF (ffe548)

  20. I would want to know more of the context of the picture, personally. A picture is just a snapshot. Suppose she was saying, “Bernie is a Nazi” and added the salute to disparage him. The snapshot doesn’t let you know what she was saying.

    Now it may be that she’s a Nazi. But at this point, without her statements, who can say for sure? I’ve seen enough media smears not to trust it just because it’s in a picture.

    Some1 (8a702d)

  21. “Conservatism won’t work in a country gone wrong.”

    Then quit lying and saying Trump is conservative, or even Republican.

    JD (34f761)

  22. A witness said she was doing it seriously.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  23. This line sort of gave me that idea:

    “this woman is just another Neo-Nazi. She’s one of many.”

    I can’t help it if you draw the wrong conclusions from simple English. She is one of many.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  24. Patterico,

    Ricardian concept of comparative advantage in trade works only when trade is free both ways with reasonable similarities in domestic rules and regulation. Not the case at the moment.

    Anyways, ,as it is said, if one has to explain there is no point ….
    Obviously you have too much patterico in the head ….

    G6loq (48c670)

  25. I’m having to put down the intrepid ’94 Camry replaced by a veritable tank in a Nissan Pathfinder.

    DNF (ffe548)

  26. Following up on #20

    “Donald Trump supporter Birgitt Peterson, center, of Yorkville, argues with protesters March 11, 2016, outside the UIC Pavilion after the rally for the Republican presidential candidate was canceled.”

    Arguing with the protesters? Who seemed to be using Nazi brownshirt tactics to shut down the Trump rally? Perhaps the salute was a sarcastic demonstration to the protester as to what they were doing. Like saying to him, “I liked what you say in the original German”. Obviously a single visual image can easily be taken out of context, especially by a press photographer looking for the i9mage that will paint those they oppose in the worst possible light.

    walruskkkch (73c5fb)

  27. I remember when folks here would howl at the smear Democrats would put on Republcans as racists based on random stuff happening at Tea Party events.

    Now these same Republicans are outraged some wackos also support Trump.

    Keep saying and no one has answered …. If u luv Cruz so much and he was relying on these same wackados to win why now the #fauxrage they are loving Trump? I keep hearing how principled Cruz and followers are yet these are the very people whose support they needed. Now that Cruz is not getting them it is ok to call them names?

    Repeat I am a non fan boy Cruz guy. I don’t look at any of these people with rose colored glasses.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  28. #25 is 100% correct.

    No only that the Ricardian model cares not a whit if one side can produce enuff for both parties but leave the least productive with no money to buy the very goods needed to survive.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  29. Free trade is bad

    JD (34f761)

  30. … A Donald Trump rally took a dramatic turn Saturday when a disturbance broke out behind him — causing Secret Service agents to jump on stage and form a wall around the candidate amid the commotion.

    A campaign spokeswoman told NBC News that a man at the Dayton, Ohio, event “attempted to breach the secure buffer and was removed rapidly and professionally.”

    As he was ousted, the audience cheered “Trump” and the barely fazed billionaire gave two thumbs up and quipped: “I was ready for him, but it’s much easier if the cops do it.”

    It was the first time at one of Trump’s event that agents had to swarm the stage in such a manner…

    Hmmm … as it is said, if one has to explain there is no point ….

    G6loq (3a2647)

  31. I wouldn’t say he was “barely fazed”. He appeared rather unnerved to me. Which is, of course, understandable.

    Dana (0ee61a)

  32. That’s not a woman. That’s a man in a wig..

    SarahW (67599f)

  33. I’m perfectly serious.

    SarahW (67599f)

  34. That’s not a woman. That’s a man in a wig..

    Looks older than 54 to me, but maybe all that anger ages one prematurely.

    JVW (9e3c77)

  35. I’m far more amused when the left tries to smear the right with cries of “Nazi!” since I’m now fully aware that the epitome of Nazism, Adolph Hitler, was a pro-animal-rights, pro-vegan, pro-socialist homosexual. Even more so since a good portion of the left has also taken up, if not necessarily the cause of reactionary Islamicism, the cause of outright antisemitism—and not just politically-correct-infused emotions of anti-Israel, but, scratch below the surface, out-and-out emotions of anti-Jewry).

    Mark (003427)

  36. Trannies for Trump!

    nk (9faaca)

  37. RKS,

    I have no sympathy or empathy for the protesters. The police and the Secret Service can handle them any way they see fit and I’m fine with it. However, I don’t think the candidates should tolerate vigilante justice by their supporters, let alone encourage it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  38. And we said the same thing when Obama was a candidate and as President, so there is no hypocrisy.

    DRJ (15874d)

  39. Cruz openly stated the Chicago riots were Trump’s fault ( defending BLM / illegals goons ) . That bootlicking.

    G6loq (3a2647)

  40. Ted Cruz blamed the protesters first and foremost, but also blamed Trump:

    We need to learn to have disagreements without being disagreeable. To have disagreements while respecting human beings on the other side. Earlier today over thirty people were arrested at one rally. And then tonight, as violence broke out, the rally was canceled all together. Now, the responsibility for that lies with protesters who took violence into their own hands. But in any campaign responsibility starts at the top. Any candidate who is responsible for the culture of the campaign. And when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse.

    Where is Cruz wrong?

    DRJ (15874d)

  41. Wasn’t it Trump that blamed Cruz for having a dishonest campaign because of the “Carson is quitting” story? Are you saying Cruz is responsible for his campaign but Trump isn’t?

    DRJ (15874d)

  42. Contrary to G6loq’s claim (#40) — obviously another Trump supporter who’s low-information, dishonest, or both — here is what Ted Cruz actually said:

    “America is better than this. We don’t have to tear each other apart,” Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said. “When you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse.”

    Whether the Trump campaign disrespects voters could be a matter of disputed opinion. But it’s a matter of undisputed and indisputable fact that Trump himself has affirmatively encouraged violence — over and over again — and that his campaign is facing allegations of physical violence against the press.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  43. DRJ & I found different, but consistent, quotes from Cruz. It obviously took us only a couple of minutes of googling. Too bad Trump’s supporters would rather spread false information.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  44. Heh, and DRJ had better sense than I did: I ought to have known that NPR would quote Cruz selectively.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  45. So let me see if I understand this. They can manage to provide security for all sorts of events – Million Man marches. Pro Life Demonstrations. Times square on New Years Eve. But I’m supposed to believe Trump cancelled because they couldn’t provide enough security? Here’s a better idea, he cancelled because the optics of possibly more people outside protesting, than inside his rally, were pretty bad and would harm the myth of his invincibility..

    Mike Giles (059ed1)

  46. Ricardian concept of comparative advantage in trade works only when trade is free both ways with reasonable similarities in domestic rules and regulation. Not the case at the moment.

    and

    #25 is 100% correct.

    No only that the Ricardian model cares not a whit if one side can produce enuff for both parties but leave the least productive with no money to buy the very goods needed to survive.

    Rank bullshit from both commenters.

    I explained why at length in this post.

    Tariffs impose costs on the country imposing them and countries exporting goods into that country. Imposing retaliatory tariffs only increases the harm. A country is better off imposing no tariffs even if other countries impose them, because our tariffs harm us, causing the prices of goods to rise and our standard of living to decrease.

    Stop trying to impose your economic ignorance on my readers. It harms the country every time someone tries to spread such counterproductive protectionist crap.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  47. But… but… Trump!

    Leviticus (a8efb0)

  48. Ricardian concept of comparative advantage in trade works only when trade is free both ways with reasonable similarities in domestic rules and regulation. Not the case at the moment.

    Anyways, ,as it is said, if one has to explain there is no point ….
    Obviously you have too much patterico in the head ….

    G6loq (48c670) — 3/12/2016 @ 9:53 am

    As Pat says in #47, that is incorrect. But anti-free traders oppose trade agreements in which other countries have to eliminate their barriers as a condition of us eliminating our barriers. In other words they oppose making trade free both ways anyway.

    If there are differences in domestic regulations that jack up our costs, then being able to buy stuff from countries without stifling regulations allows us to avoid those costs. Again, jacking up the cost of imports doesn’t solve that, it just jacks up our costs. Paring back regulations is the only rational response to that problem.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  49. just like pregnant hoochies and ultrasounds everyone should be forced to look at a picture of this tranny nazi before they go to vote in their primaries I think

    people have to make an informed choice

    happyfeet (831175)

  50. G6loq,

    I address your concerns (except for the stupid one) by advocating a vote for Ted Cruz. (The stupid one is your concern about our country importing goods. Thank God for cheap imported goods, which make our lives better, and raise our standard of living– not that I expect you to ever understand this.)

    Patterico (2975ef) — 3/12/2016 @ 8:48 am

    My dad and I were discussing this very thing earlier today. He hadn’t yet seen the new cell phone i bought- a brand new Kyocera Verve, 18.00 shipped to my door. It has more features than I will ever use (I just wanted a simple phone, and I irrationally hate flip phones with a passion), the buttons suit me, it’s Kyocera so the quality is OK. I don’t remember for sure, but I think it was made in Malaysia. Not fabulous, but once I finally learn it, it’ll do what I want. Focus on that number for a minute: 18.00 shipped. That means realistically the phone was about 9-10.00. That means it cost Boost Mobile perhaps 2.00 max. Sorry people, but you simply cannot produce anything like that phone here in the US for a buck. That same phone, produced here- cheaply as possible- would be rather a lot more. Call it 25.00. End cost to me? I’ll take a wild stab and say 250-300.00. That’s the money Boost currently offers their top range android phones for.

    just like pregnant hoochies and ultrasounds everyone should be forced to look at a picture of this tranny nazi before they go to vote in their primaries I think

    people have to make an informed choice

    happyfeet (831175) — 3/12/2016 @ 12:39 pm

    They need to do that on their own though, Happyfeet. Don’t let a pic of some deranged old crone influence and be the deciding factor.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  51. you’re right i guess i got carried away there for a sec

    happyfeet (831175)

  52. But… but… Leviticus supports who again??????

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  53. I’m far more amused when the left tries to smear the right with cries of “Nazi!” since I’m now fully aware that the epitome of Nazism, Adolph Hitler, was a pro-animal-rights, pro-vegan, pro-socialist homosexual. Even more so since a good portion of the left has also taken up, if not necessarily the cause of reactionary Islamicism, the cause of outright antisemitism—and not just politically-correct-infused emotions of anti-Israel, but, scratch below the surface, out-and-out emotions of anti-Jewry).

    Mark (003427) — 3/12/2016 @ 10:55 am

    Almost, Mark. He was vegetarian, not Vegan, and that didn’t show up until the early 30’s. Also he was not homosexual. He had some really bizarre fetishes, but not homosexual. You might be thinking of Hitler’s association with Stabschef Ernst Rohm and his section of the Nazi Party, the SA. That paramilitary group was well known for it’s gay membership.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  54. you’re right i guess i got carried away there for a sec

    happyfeet (831175) — 3/12/2016 @ 1:11 pm

    Not really. Just giving a grounding to your statement.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  55. Patterico,

    You may know the law but you are clueless to bring up tariffs in a discussion over Ricardian Theory. There is a difference between Competitive Advantage and Comparative.

    Ricardian Theory renders tariff argument nearly moot under the premise that no matter how disadvantage one side may be, once all tradeoffs are made, the disadvantaged players will find its niche providing something in the trading relationship.

    Stick to Criminal Law. It is something you actually practice. That other poster was 100% correct. That is all.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  56. RKS,

    You appear to have just said the opposite of 25, which you praised.

    25 says: “Ricardian concept of comparative advantage in trade works only when trade is free both ways with reasonable similarities in domestic rules and regulation. Not the case at the moment.”

    Wrong. Comparative advantage shows protectionism (a regime of tariffs) is not needed when there is free trade. Tariffs put a damper on efficient markets, causing waste and a lower standard of living for all.

    Cut the crap with the argument from authority. I don’t know who the hell you are, so your authority means absolutely nothing here. Make arguments and provide evidence. Don’t try to strongarm me on my own blog.

    You will lose.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  57. The Internet has no shortage of anonymous know-it-alls who profess to know economic theory and go around spouting counterproductive nonsense.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  58. I read the Sugar subsidies pontification. Irrelevant to the Ricardian competitive advantage discussion.

    Morons! Listen!
    There was a switcheroo.
    There is no exchange. The Chinesies and others INSIST that the goods we would otherwise manufacture here be made over there
    with concurrent transfer of KNOW HOW.
    Know how once was TRADE SECRETS.
    We’ve given away the shop!
    Nominally we get goods back at a “cheaper cost” but in fact we are becoming like Spain in the 18th century. The new world
    gold was spent, mostly buying bling and Spain turned into a desert never to recover.

    Of course over there they’re no shackled by our rules and regulations and can sell the body parts of depleted pattericoed moron
    worker bees.

    Whøt was the genius thinking behind this sorry state of affairs? Well well well, the classic dum mistake:
    substitute labor for capital.
    Easy way out made possible by crony capitalism. Chamber of Commerce and all ….

    Again, if one needs to explain, the battle is lost.

    G6loq (3a2647)

  59. RKS,

    Now the guy you claim got it exactly right, when at the same time you said “comparative advantage” is different from “comparative advantage” . . . is talking about “Ricardian competitive advantage.”

    I do not want people to be fooled, that because these people come on here with a tremendous sense of confidence, that this means they actually know anything.

    FWIW, Ricardo was not the guy who developed the theory of comparative advantage, nor did he care much about it. I’m sure you can run off to Wikipedia or some other superficial source to prove me “wrong” but that will merely demonstrate that you haven’t immersed yourself in the history.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  60. Morons! Listen!
    There was a switcheroo.
    There is no exchange. The Chinesies and others INSIST that the goods we would otherwise manufacture here be made over there
    with concurrent transfer of KNOW HOW.

    Morons! Listen as I tell you about the “Chinesies” and “the Ricardian competitive advantage discussion.”! I will tell you in ALL CAPS to make sure you DO listen!!!

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  61. If there are differences in domestic regulations that jack up our costs, then being able to buy stuff from countries without stifling regulations allows us to avoid those costs.

    If the products produced in countries without these regulations are 1) of good enough quality our consumers want to buy them and 2) safe enough that the US government allows them to be imported then it seems we need to eliminate those regulations as items made without them are acceptable to both consumers and government.

    Rev. TrusTED Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  62. I am happy to have a discussion about comparative advantage and tariffs — but not with someone who comes on here with a superior attitude, haughtily telling me that because I am a lawyer I know nothing about economics, whereas we can be sure that the anonymous commenter knows everything.

    Can the superior attitude and give me your arguments, logic, and evidence. If you can.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  63. The reason companies run to China to make stuff is because of overweening regulation here. Why would you go to the immense trouble of relocating factories overseas, and paying the concomitant shipping costs, if the government made it feasible to efficiently produce goods here?? Trying to blame China for this and that takes the focus off the real culprit: American government.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  64. Again, if one needs to explain, the battle is lost.

    G6loq (3a2647) — 3/12/2016 @ 1:41 pm

    Shorter G6loq: Please don’t force me to defend my position!

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  65. Well, the regulations involve such minor things as collective bargaining, hours of work, safety in the workplace, child labor, minimum wage, non-discrimination on the basis of race, religion, sex, or age, and now health insurance, which our stupid government put in place and now does not have the good sense to repeal because it’s in the pockets of the leftist, Communist unions.

    nk (9faaca)

  66. nk, you prove the point. If all those regulations plus give or take 10,000 more are to your liking then by all means pay the price they cost. But don’t b!tch about prices or jobs leaving the country. That is the economic cost of those regulations. If you were a man of your convictions you would refuse to buy from countries that do not have the very same protectionist regulations the US has.

    Rev. TrusTED Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

  67. See update.

    Patterico (2975ef)

  68. If she posts a Nazi slogan on Patterico.com, it means Patterico is Hitler.

    jcurtis (5055ca) — 3/12/2016 @ 8:31 am

    I would delete it, or use it as an object lesson in what I reject. I would not cultivate an atmosphere in which people like her feel comfortable, or emboldened. That’s where your stupid analogy fails.

    Patterico (2975ef) — 3/12/2016 @ 8:44 am

    Okay, so you know Trump can’t “delete” the video of some crazy woman or false flagger doing a Nazi salute, so I guess you are saying that Trump needs to acknowledge her pathetic existence and do some explaining about it?

    I can’t remember if you were involved in it, I know Allahpundit was and maybe it was Ace or you who got caught up in jumping hoops for some leftist commentators a decade or so ago whereby y’all had to start banning commenters on your sites for saying things that weren’t sufficiently politically correct. You should have learned a lesson from that. If they can get you to waste time on every false flagger, kook or non-sanctioned opinion holder that might make an expression on your website or at your campaign event, they’ve effectively taken you out of commission.

    jcurtis (5bde7f)

  69. The New York Times has an article in which the woman says she was mocking people who compared Trumpers to Nazis.

    the more key thing to note here is that the woman is a for reals german codger who has some rather more nuanced experience with this whole ironic/unironic saluting of fascisms thing than most people in america

    no?

    happyfeet (831175)

  70. Hoagie, I did for as long as I could and still do to the extent I can. The Soviets claimed we would sell them the rope by which they would hang us. The Chinese, an older and wiser people, figured out how to sell us the rope by which they will hang us.

    nk (9faaca)

  71. Okay, so you know Trump can’t “delete” the video of some crazy woman or false flagger doing a Nazi salute, so I guess you are saying that Trump needs to acknowledge her pathetic existence and do some explaining about it?

    I can’t remember if you were involved in it, I know Allahpundit was and maybe it was Ace or you who got caught up in jumping hoops for some leftist commentators a decade or so ago whereby y’all had to start banning commenters on your sites for saying things that weren’t sufficiently politically correct. You should have learned a lesson from that. If they can get you to waste time on every false flagger, kook or non-sanctioned opinion holder that might make an expression on your website or at your campaign event, they’ve effectively taken you out of commission.

    I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, but that did not happen to me. Trump could maybe not constantly encourage people to assault protesters, retweet Neo-Nazis and white supremacists, refuse to disavow David Duke on national TV . . . need I go on?

    But please. Go on pretending none of this has happened.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  72. Okay, so you know Trump can’t “delete” the video of some crazy woman or false flagger doing a Nazi salute, so I guess you are saying that Trump needs to acknowledge her pathetic existence and do some explaining about it?

    How about I ask you this: does this sort of behavior appeal to you? Trump isn’t being asked to approve. He should be aware, though that condoning this sort of thing is not a good look on him. The silliest thing is crap like this would go away if he would unequivocally denounce it. There’s a problem, though: a good sized portion of Trump supporters feel almost exactly the same way. He appeals to the Stormfront contingent because he’s xenophobic, anti-immigrant (unless it suits him), just vague enough with his policies to the point that they can be interpreted in a Socialist manner, and he’s quite the authoritarian. He’s a loudmouth extraordinaire. For some reason, this appeals to the Drool Cup Krew. Trump can’t afford to disavow these people- they make up too much of his base.

    You complain about Patterico painting with too broad a brush without once actually looking at why. But that’s OK. If reasoning won’t convince you, I’m sure as hell not going to be able to.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  73. If the products produced in countries without these regulations are 1) of good enough quality our consumers want to buy them and 2) safe enough that the US government allows them to be imported then it seems we need to eliminate those regulations as items made without them are acceptable to both consumers and government.

    Rev. TrusTED Hoagie ™ (eb7063)

    Bingo. The reason we make so much overseas is due to A) lower labor costs there, B) high labor costs here, and C) speciality there.

    We can’t do much about A. But B we can fix, and that is due to enormous regulations harming business here. We need to reduce and eliminate them.

    We can also address C, but that is harder. For example, as Tim Cook said the reason they make iPhones in China is because of the huge factories all producing components near each other as well as the knowledge of the workers, neither of which we have here. That’s because we force so many people into college instead of technical (or vocational) school where they would be better suited.

    The solution is not raise tariffs, which is only a tax on American consumers, but to fix regulations and our education system.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  74. I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, but that did not happen to me. Trump could maybe not constantly encourage people to assault protesters, retweet Neo-Nazis and white supremacists, refuse to disavow David Duke on national TV . . . need I go on?

    But please. Go on pretending none of this has happened.

    Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/12/2016 @ 3:13 pm

    He just got charged by some lunatic in Dayton, but you assassinate-Trump dog whistlers in the Rubio/Cruz media failed to make his security operation stand still in a puddle of their own piss while it happened. Your whole Fields operation was a bust. And it all goes downhill for you from here. I’d hate to be in your career shoes, unless Hillary wins and then I think you’ll be okay. She’ll throw you a bone, Patterico.

    Let’s just hope your attempt fails, but I’m concerned that you’ll get what you’ve been whistling for. You people have stoked the imagination of the potentials.

    jcurtis (5bde7f)

  75. The Daraprim theater is better example of insane protectionism and crony capitalism. Its patent has expired. The pill can be bought in England for pennies (relatively speaking). But it is illegal to buy it there and bring it here even by a patient for his own personal use. You have to buy it from an FDA licensed pharma company. The one guy who could be bothered to dish out the licensing fees and jump through the FDA’s hoops is selling it for $750.00 per pill. A coercive monopoly created by Congress to help big pharma make almost half a trillion dollars a year.

    nk (9faaca)

  76. The solution is not raise tariffs, which is only a tax on American consumers, but to fix regulations and our education system.

    The problem is we’ve been on the tariff and regulation kick since before WW2. The so-called protection afforded to large swaths of what’s left of our industry, however counter-productive they are, will not go down easily. Even if Cruz makes it in, I don’t expect much more than a mild slowdown in additions to the Federal Register.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  77. Haven’t seen such ‘fun’ rallies since the Nuremberg newsreels. If only Herr Trump had a plane to drop from the skies in to appear before the faithful, like Adolf in ‘Triumph Of The Will’– oh wait, he does.

    And torchlight parades? Well, glowing cellphones and tablets held up high will do– for now. And who needs Wagner when you have Elton and the Stones as your soundtrack….

    Making The Homeland Great Again.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  78. I’d hate to be in your career shoes, unless Hillary wins and then I think you’ll be okay. She’ll throw you a bone, Patterico.

    The identity of the President doesn’t have jack to do with my career. Toddle along now, Trumpkin.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  79. I’d hate to be in your career shoes, unless Hillary wins and then I think you’ll be okay. She’ll throw you a bone, Patterico.

    Nutcase conspiracy theorist . . . and a Trump supporter, too?

    There are no words to describe my very high level of surprise at this shocking development.

    – __ –

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  80. I’m sure there are some very reasonable, intelligent, and sensible people who are Trump supporters.

    Somewhere.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  81. Let’s just hope your attempt fails, but I’m concerned that you’ll get what you’ve been whistling for. You people have stoked the imagination of the potentials.

    jcurtis (5bde7f) — 3/12/2016 @ 3:40 pm

    Was it your imagination that was stoked? I’m not going to go out and commit violent acts for Cruz. Are you going to go out and commit violent acts for Trump?

    And just to be sure, you might want to dial back on the “assassinate Trump dog-whistle” fantasy. NOBODY here has even come close to that.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  82. the protesters are not just random, one might compare them to sds before they went weather, or montoneros, in the peronist wing,

    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/12/breaking-trump-ohio-attacker-tommy-dimassimo-connected-to-isis-suspect-featured-in-isis-propaganda-videos-2015/

    narciso (732bc0)

  83. the problem is shkreli, was using the price hike, to recoup the looting of his company,

    narciso (732bc0)

  84. The identity of the President doesn’t have jack to do with my career.

    A good thing, too.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  85. I’ve been keeping an eye out for the real story, and it looks like the NYT (!) is the sensible one this time;

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/trump-supporter-who-made-nazi-salute-explains-why-she-made-the-gesture/?_r=0

    Also, regarding the witness saying she did it seriously, I’m amazed some were simply accepting a demonstrator’s word on the matter. Since when did conservatives start acting like moveon.org?

    Looks like what we have here is a woman doing the right thing (confronting the demonstrators). Here she is in her own words;
    “Mr. Peterson said the couple was upset by the accusations. “It’s insulting for anyone to assume that we have anything to do with Nazis,” he said. “We have never done anything other than demonstrate to a bunch of idiots that when they talk about Nazism, they better learn about it first.”

    I did, and still do, support Cruz, though his laying partial blame on the Chicago outrage on Trump had me questioning that for a bit. (Though not quite as much as Trump’s slam at the Draw Mohammed event has me questioning him). Even partially validating the brownshirt thuggery of the left (or their fellow travelers the islamists) is appalling, no matter who does it.

    BTW, I’m certainly no fan of this post by Patterico, but to those of you making reference to damage to his career, that’s the same sort of tactics you claim to decry. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  86. If you believe that Trump is too impolite or extreme just wait another 8 years when the national debt is in the 25-30 Trillion range and more than 55% of the population is receiving some form of government check.

    yoda (5d288b)

  87. nicely put Mr. yoda

    happyfeet (831175)

  88. If you believe that Trump is too impolite or extreme just wait another 8 years when the national debt is in the 25-30 Trillion range and more than 55% of the population is receiving some form of government check.

    yoda (5d288b)

    Which is why we should vote for Cruz instead of Trump or Hillary.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1)

  89. I’ve been keeping an eye out for the real story, and it looks like the NYT (!) is the sensible one this time;

    Yes, that is the story referred to in the update from earlier. I posted it on a phone during a walk and could not easily add the link. I have now done so.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  90. Yes, that is the story referred to in the update from earlier. I posted it on a phone during a walk and could not easily add the link. I have now done so.

    Patterico, to be honest I’d wondered why you didn’t post a link. I don’t use phones for the internet (I loathe smart phones) so that reason didn’t occur to me. Thank you for adding the link.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  91. Someone impersonating me they are! Change your name you must!

    The real Yoda

    Yoda (feee21)

  92. the link from last year, shows him lying about associations that were readily checkable, even by such an outfit as josh marshall’s crib sheet.

    narciso (732bc0)

  93. Which is why we should vote for Cruz instead of Trump or Hillary.

    Patrick Henry, the 2nd (ddead1) — 3/12/2016 @ 4:49 pm

    One of the better reasons I can think of to have Cruz for President. Please allow me to elaborate:

    The state of California considers me 100% disabled, due to kidney disease and subsequent need for dialysis. As it stands right now, I an on SSI to the tune of 645.00/mo. I would prefer not to be there. My dad and I argued rather vociferously about that for a number of months, me in my tiny way not wanting to add to the debt. Well, considering just how slow and difficult the economy is, because of my speciality (no, it isn’t law!), I finally had to concede the point. Even though I’m eligible for considerably more in terms of government handouts, I really would like to stay off of it. I seriously believe Cruz will eventually make this easier for me. Not him personally, mind you, but by way of easing the burdens of taxation and overregulation.

    Put it another way- if it comes down to a choice between Sir Hillary and Mr Tangerine Man, I’m going to go for everything I can get, for the simple reason the electorate won’t care by that point, why should I go without. After I write in Zombie Adolf Hitler. I’m in California. My protest won’t matter anyway.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  94. The real Yoda

    Yoda (feee21) — 3/12/2016 @ 5:28 pm

    I hadn’t noticed before, but it seems this one component is like at Ace’s- the hash following your name doesn’t change often. Helpful in spotting fake or knock-off Yodas. Thanks for pointing that out.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  95. sure does sound like moveon and harvardtrash ted are on the same page Mr. n

    happyfeet (831175)

  96. just wait another 8 years when the national debt is in the 25-30 Trillion

    Here, from 1986 is a Ridley Scott political commercial about “The Deficit Trials” of 2017. It was banned by the networks as extreme.

    “No one really knows what another generation of unchecked federal deficits will bring.”

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  97. no, but you need to see the big picture, this is the warmup act,

    narciso (732bc0)

  98. sure does sound like moveon and harvardtrash ted are on the same page Mr. n

    happyfeet (831175) — 3/12/2016 @ 5:49 pm

    Oh come the eff on, Happyfeet. Comparing Cruz to MoveOn? Here I was thinking WTF comparing Cruz to Jim Bakker was over the top. That’s a new one for you, dude. If you’re going to argue that, show your work. Show me where the comparisons lie. I know you don’t like Cruz for some fanciful reason like “he’s a pooper”, but dang. MoveOn? Really?

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  99. They both have an “r” in their names.

    nk (9faaca)

  100. for what will happen in cleveland, and probably in philadelphia for good measure,

    narciso (732bc0)

  101. I remember when folks here would howl at the smear Democrats would put on Republcans as racists based on random stuff happening at Tea Party events.

    Um, no. What “random stuff” do you claim happened at TEA Party movement events? The only ones I’ve ever heard of were all immediately exposed as false flag operations. And the event organizers immediately did all they could to isolate the people involved and make it clear they were not part of the event. None of that was happening here.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  102. “Absolutely I’m not a Nazi, no,” she said. “I’m not one of those.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/trump-supporter-who-made-nazi-salute-explains-why-she-made-the-gesture/

    SarahW (67599f)

  103. Retracting man remark. Ask not for whom the menopause tolls, it tolls for thee.

    SarahW (67599f)

  104. moveon:

    MoveOn.org said Trump’s “hate-filled rhetoric” was the catalyst. “These protests are a direct result of the violence that has occurred at Trump rallies and that has been encouraged by Trump himself from the stage,” Ilya Sheyman, executive director of MoveOn.Org Political Action, said in a statement on the group’s Facebook page.

    harvardtrash ted:

    Earlier today over thirty people were arrested at one rally. And then tonight, as violence broke out, the rally was canceled all together. Now, the responsibility for that lies with protesters who took violence into their own hands. But in any campaign responsibility starts at the top. Any candidate who is responsible for the culture of the campaign. And when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse.

    happyfeet (831175)

  105. it was a good conjecture Sarah

    bless her heart

    happyfeet (831175)

  106. Ricardian concept of comparative advantage in trade works only when trade is free both ways with reasonable similarities in domestic rules and regulation. Not the case at the moment.

    That’s entirely the problem of the people in the country that restricts trade. If they want the benefits of free trade let them agitate for it. In the meantime there’s no reason for us to renounce those benefits out of sympathy for them.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  107. Ricardian concept of comparative advantage in trade works only when trade is free both ways with reasonable similarities in domestic rules and regulation. Not the case at the moment.

    star trek really

    stay focused people

    happyfeet (831175)

  108. I happen to agree with her that Lefties calling Trump literally Hitler are only slightly less doofusy than Trump. He doesn’t have his dreams pinned on pseudoscientific purity and a magical Reich of a master-race, he has no “struggle” – and most of his supporters are more about wrecking the GOP (which is why he can’t do much that is stupid or vacillating to shake them off.)

    SarahW (67599f)

  109. No only that the Ricardian model cares not a whit if one side can produce enuff for both parties but leave the least productive with no money to buy the very goods needed to survive.

    1. Why the **** should it care? Why should anyone? If someone is unable to produce enough to survive, and has no friends or relatives willing to support him, then he must survive on the charity of strangers. That is right and proper, and not a legitimate cause for complaint.
    2. You clearly don’t understand the concept of comparative advantage.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  110. Adolph Hitler, was a pro-animal-rights, pro-vegan, pro-socialist homosexual.

    Oh, bulldust. But at least you seem to have given up on the claim that he was vegan.

    He was, of course, a socialist. That’s beyond question.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  111. The Chinesies and others INSIST that the goods we would otherwise manufacture here be made over there with concurrent transfer of KNOW HOW.
    Know how once was TRADE SECRETS.
    We’ve given away the shop!

    Nominally we get goods back at a “cheaper cost” but in fact we are becoming like Spain in the 18th century. The new world gold was spent, mostly buying bling and Spain turned into a desert never to recover.

    G6loq (3a2647) — 3/12/2016 @ 1:41 pm

    You must be referring to goods intended to be sold to China. Putting tariffs on imports wouldn’t have anything to do with that. AFAIK we don’t give them any trade secrets.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  112. Keep saying and no one has answered …. If u luv Cruz so much and he was relying on these same wackados to win why now the #fauxrage they are loving Trump?

    Rodney King’s Spirit (3adc86) — 3/12/2016 @ 10:12 am

    I don’t agree with the premise that wackos supporting Trump are a large chunk of what Cruz was counting on to win.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  113. But it’s a matter of undisputed and indisputable fact that Trump himself has affirmatively encouraged violence — over and over again

    This. Never forget this. He’s running brownshirt rallies. Just as in the Battle of Cable Street, the commies were responsible for the violence in Chicago, and there’s no excusing that at all, but the blackshirt “victims” don’t deserve any sympathy because they’re no better than their assailants.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  114. Almost, Mark. He was vegetarian, not Vegan, and that didn’t show up until the early 30’s.

    No, he wasn’t even vegetarian. He advocated and followed a mostly vegetarian diet, i.e. what most people call a sensible diet that includes meat but doesn’t consist of it.

    Also he was not homosexual. He had some really bizarre fetishes, but not homosexual.

    You’ll never convince Mark of this. He’s obsessed with teh gay.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  115. points for novel application of godwin, still, you’re going to paint everyone there as a brownshirt, good luck with that.

    narciso (732bc0)

  116. Nominally we get goods back at a “cheaper cost” but in fact we are becoming like Spain in the 18th century. The new world gold was spent, mostly buying bling and Spain turned into a desert never to recover.

    And why did that happen? Because Spain banned the export of gold and heavily controlled all other trade, that’s why. 18th century Spain was Adam Smith’s classic example of how hoarding gold doesn’t make a country rich, trade does.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  117. Well, the regulations involve such minor things as collective bargaining, hours of work, safety in the workplace, child labor, minimum wage, non-discrimination on the basis of race, religion, sex, or age, and now health insurance, which our stupid government put in place and now does not have the good sense to repeal because it’s in the pockets of the leftist, Communist unions.

    Yes, exactly.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  118. The hamburger culture finds it difficult to imagine a time when most of the Western world did not eat meat with every meal or even every day.

    nk (9faaca)

  119. well it seems to go on forever, like the sundance and tnt airings,

    http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/03/law-and-order-is-not-just-tv-show.html?spref=tw

    narciso (732bc0)

  120. Oops!

    Ms. Peterson, who was born in West Berlin in 1946 and became an American citizen in 1982, said she took offense to the comparison of Mr. Trump to Hitler.

    “They said Trump is a second Hitler,” Ms. Peterson said. “I said do you know what that sign stands for? Do you know who Hitler really was?”

    “I make the point that they are demonstrating something they had no knowledge about,” she said. “If you want to do it right, you do it right. You don’t know what you are doing.”

    That is when she made the Nazi salute — a gesture that is banned in Germany — as a form of counterprotest. But that is all it was, she said.

    “Absolutely I’m not a Nazi, no,” she said. “I’m not one of those.”

    The couple said they had not yet seen the photo, but they had received calls from family members about it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/trump-supporter-who-made-nazi-salute-explains-why-she-made-the-gesture/?_r=0

    Gazzer (1cd4be)

  121. From the NYT no less…

    Gazzer (1cd4be)

  122. 64. The reason companies run to China to make stuff is because of overweening regulation here. Why would you go to the immense trouble of relocating factories overseas, and paying the concomitant shipping costs, if the government made it feasible to efficiently produce goods here?? Trying to blame China for this and that takes the focus off the real culprit: American government.

    Patterico (86c8ed) — 3/12/2016 @ 1:54 pm

    Very true. It’s like blaming Texas for businesses fleeing the horrible, worse-than-Greece business environment in Kali.

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/california-292789-people-state.html

    Steven Greenhut: Carl’s Jr. chewed up by California

    March 19, 2011 Updated Aug. 21, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    …Indeed, CKE Restaurants, parent of Carl’s Jr., is likely to move its headquarters from Carpinteria, near Ventura, to Texas and is undergoing a rapid expansion of restaurants in the Lone Star State. Right before the budget circus got going Wednesday, CKE CEO Andrew Puzder spoke at the California Chamber of Commerce, blocks from the Capitol dome. Like most of us, Puzder loves California and has no interest in leaving it, but he told harrowing tales about doing business in a state that has gone from an entrepreneurial heaven to a bureaucratic nightmare.

    “It costs us $250,000 more to build one California restaurant than in Texas,” he said. “And once it is opened, we’re not allowed to run it.” This explains why Carl’s is opening 300 restaurants in Texas and only maintaining its presence in California. Texas has lower taxes than California, but the reason for the shift has more to do with regulation and with the attitude of the respective governments.

    Puzder complained about the permitting process here, where it takes eight months to two years to open a new restaurant compared to an average of 1 1/2 months in Texas. In California, restaurants have to provide new curb cuts, new traffic lights, you name it. The company must endure so many requirements and must submit to so many inspections that it becomes excessively costly – and the bureaucrats are in charge of the project.

    Once the restaurant is open, Puzder said, the store’s general managers are not allowed to run the business as if they own it. That’s the key to the company’s customer service approach – allowing general managers to do whatever it takes to make customers happy. But California’s inflexible, union-designed work rules, for instance, classify general managers as regular employees. They must be paid overtime for any work beyond an eight-hour day. They must take mandated breaks at specified times.

    If a busload of customers comes to a store, these general managers must sit back and do nothing if they are on a break period. Most states have 40-hour workweek rules, meaning employees are paid overtime after exceeding 40 hours of work in a single week. In California it is based on the day, which limits the ability of managers to work, say, six hours one day and 10 hours the next day. Puzder complains about these industrial-era requirements that impede flexibility and harm customer service.

    Actually, they just announced earlier this month they’re relocating to Tennessee. Naturally the press didn’t announce why they’re moving. True, the press release was very bland. CKE said they’re moving because they’re success at refranchising company owned stores in Kali, and consequently they need less office space. But if that’s the case, why didn’t they just sell their large headquarters in Carpinteria and move into a smaller building in Kali? Why are they making the move to Nashville? Because of the ridiculous over-regulation in Kali. One item Puzder discussed though it isn’t mentioned in the article in sufficient detail is that their general managers used to be salaried employees. As most salaried employees in the retail and hospitality industries they were expected to do whatever it takes including working overtime. And salaried employees they didn’t get paid for the overtime. But they did get bonuses.

    If I recall correctly Puzder said they could double their income over their base salary in bonuses.

    What happened when they lost their case and had to treat their general managers as regular employees? CKE Restaurants and all other fast food franchises in Kali treated them like regular employees; they converted them to hourly employees instead of salaried, and general managers who failed to log any overtime were fired. But they told those same managers they’d rehire them if they moved to Texas or Tennessee where the states didn’t have the same stupid regulations.

    …I’d argue that the rules are designed specifically to impede private enterprise and to hobble entrepreneurship. After all, the unions, trial attorneys and liberal legislators writing these rules believe that government is the answer to most problems and that private industry is a cancer.

    “People are just dying to get out there and make money,” Puzder said. “But California is setting a bar here. You can’t work smarter, harder, longer or better.” His company has had to fire hardworking store managers who insist on working longer hours than the state allows. He wants to tell these people, “Come to Texas, and we will hire you.”

    I don’t know what took them so long to make this move. Probably it was because they had to convert as many of their company-owned stores as possible in Kali to franchises before they left the state. To get them off their hands as they’re sick of dealing with the communist apparatchiks running the state. And since Kali’s regulatory environment means everything takes longer apparently that took nearly five years.

    Obama is doing his best to bring Kali/Chicago-style anti-business over regulation to the entire country. You can no more blame a company for moving their manufacturing or headquarters operations to low-tax business-friendly countries overseas then you can blame a company for abandoning the insanity of regulators in Kali far a state that isn’t similarly insane.

    Steve57 (79ea4f)

  123. No, he wasn’t even vegetarian. He advocated and followed a mostly vegetarian diet, i.e. what most people call a sensible diet that includes meat but doesn’t consist of it.

    Also he was not homosexual. He had some really bizarre fetishes, but not homosexual.

    You’ll never convince Mark of this. He’s obsessed with teh gay.

    Milhouse, we’ve gone over this before, and what puzzles me is why you (not to mention Bill H) insist he wasn’t a vegan and homosexual. Hitler has been quoted as saying eating animal flesh was repugnant to him, and his own doctor wrote “homosex” in the section of the medical file regarding Hitler’s sexuality. I’ve previously posted excerpts from credible sources that confirm these points, yet you choose to ignore or deny them because of what? Because Hitler’s veganism and homosexuality (not to mention love of animal rights) make him look either better or worse than he already is?

    (Liberals probably will be resentful about these aspects of Hitler being highlighted because, in their eyes, veganism, animal rights and homosexuality are hip and lovely, and they don’t want their favorite boogeyman — often used to smear conservatives — to look less horrific than he was and, worse of all, to be known as actually having more in common with the left, not the right.)

    Mark (003427)

  124. This wretched and ignorant old woman deserves every moment of public shaming she will get. The audacity of an immigrant coming into this great country and thinking this behavior will be tolerated by decent Americans. Trump supporters represent the very worst of our society and are worthy only of disdain.

    Christopher Husbands (3744f0)

  125. Milhouse, we’ve gone over this before, and what puzzles me is why you (not to mention Bill H) insist he wasn’t a vegan and homosexual.

    Because he wasn’t, and only insane people like you insist he was.

    Hitler has been quoted as saying eating animal flesh was repugnant to him,

    He ate meat. Regularly. With great pleasure..

    and his own doctor wrote “homosex” in the section of the medical file regarding Hitler’s sexuality.

    Not a single word of that is true.

    I’ve previously posted excerpts from credible sources that confirm these points

    No, you haven’t. You’re a f—ing liar, and you’re obsessed with teh gay.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  126. I don’t think a false flag would have been a Bernie sanders supporter. That person would have been supporting Hillary Clinton – but, of course, theyt’d want to let people know she was for Bernie Sanders.

    Just because the woman has been falsely identified doesn’t mean she was not a plant.

    Sammy Finkelman (68a4ee)

  127. Oh come the eff on, Happyfeet. Comparing Cruz to MoveOn? Here I was thinking WTF comparing Cruz to Jim Bakker was over the top.

    OK, just reading through this thread but since I’ve been called out here (in my presumed absense no less), let me repeat. Now try to read this slowly Bill H. From the original argument we had, my points were:

    Cruz indistinguishable from Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Bakker.
    Rubio indistinguishable from Barney Fife or Henry Villechevez.

    It was an exaggeration in line with the Madoff one, duh. You show me where Donald Trump has swindled people out of their life savings or subverted people’s faith in investing. I know several people who were significantly to severely harmed by Madoff, none who were harmed by Trump. But maybe they were just lucky that way.

    This is all I’ve said and all I’ve intended to say:
    Trump is not 1) Hitler, 2) Bill Clinton (though close-ish), nor 3) Bernie Madoff.

    Rants portraying him as such do little more than poison the well. If you don’t like the man, fine. Stick to reasonable and responsible points in attacking him. Or anyone, really. Obama included. When you attack someone in an obvious and overtly ridiculous and unfair manner, you do little to support your own position and often end up driving people in the other direction. At least in a free and open society anyway. Either way, you are wasting time and space that could be better used to advance your own position. But I’m guessing you’re really just one of those guys who always has to have the last word.
    http://patterico.com/2016/03/08/donald-trump-shocked-that-americans-are-disturbed-by-the-candidate-requesting-supporters-raise-their-arms-in-allegiance-to-him/#comment-1848600

    Heh… thought about edition out that last part as irrelevant, but seems not now that I think of it. Seriously dude. WTF.

    WTP (094b61)

  128. You show me where Donald Trump has swindled people out of their life savings or subverted people’s faith in investing.

    All the people who were swindled by “Trump University”, all the people who invested in developments to which he’d rented his name but nothing else, and all the small creditors in his four bankruptcies. Comparing him to Madoff is not an exaggeration at all.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  129. Because he wasn’t, and only insane people like you insist he was.
    No, you haven’t. You’re a f—ing liar, and you’re obsessed with teh gay.

    Don’t take this as my being a smart aleck to you, but, quite honestly, there’s something off about you. You’re a classic case of what’s known as projection. But at least I now have a fully unadulterated perspective of you, of what makes you tick.

    However, I do need to qualify my previous post. The “homosex” description was in response to an interview of Hitler’s doctors and not penned by the doctors themselves. Nonetheless, a very lengthy, well-researched documentary on the same subject, originally available on Youtube, pretty much put to rest any doubts about the homosexuality of Germany’s most infamous politician.

    washingtionexaminer.com, January 2013: Newly discovered notes from a U.S. Army interview of former Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler doctors reveal that the madman had homosexual tendencies, did not sleep in girlfriend Eva Braun’s bedroom, and was doped up with multiple drugs including female hormones. Written in erratic shorthand, Army interrogator Herman Merl, a Vienna-born medical technician enlisted to interview Hitler’s doctors, Karl Brandt and Theodor Morell, scribbled “Homosex” in his notebook where he sized up the mass murderer’s sexuality.

    He then wrote: “Eva Braun = separate rooms” before adding “female hormone – injection 50,000 units.” Elsewhere he wrote, “His sexual life and intercourse with Eva Braun was told to me.”

    chicagotribune.com: A 69-year-old Yorkville woman and her husband are defending her actions after a Tribune photo showed her giving a Nazi salute during an altercation with protesters outside UIC Pavilion Friday night following the ill-fated Donald Trump rally.

    Peterson, who said she emigrated from West Berlin and has been a U.S. citizen since 1982, said the salute came during an argument with protesters and was simply her response to them giving her the Nazi gesture.

    Her husband, Donald, insisted: “We’re not skinheads, we’re not Nazis. “Birgitt Peterson said she and her husband had left the UIC Pavilion after the rally was canceled because of security concerns. “I came out and lit a cigarette and all of a sudden, I was surrounded,” she told the Tribune on Saturday.

    She was wearing a Trump T-shirt, and a group of about 20 protesters began speaking to them, she said. “The one lady, she said: ‘Hey, white supremacist,'” Peterson said.

    A woman grabbed the orange lanyard Peterson had around her neck that identified her as a member of the Illinois delegation to a past Republican convention, and then the woman let it go, she said. A young woman who had a shirt comparing Trump to Hitler accused the couple of voting for the Ku Klux Klan, Birgitt Peterson said, quoting the woman as saying, “Hitler is Donald Trump … This is what you are. Why did you vote for this man?”

    She said the protesters told her, “You are here to vote for Hitler,” and they started giving a Nazi salute. Peterson said she told the protesters she was German and asked them if they knew what the salute meant. “I lifted my arms,” she said, adding that in German she said, “Hail to the German Reich.”

    A protester who was photographed with Peterson, Michael Joseph Garza, told the Tribune on Saturday he did not believe Peterson was responding to anyone else when she raised her arm in the salute.

    Mark (003427)

  130. All the people who were swindled by “Trump University”, all the people who invested in developments to which he’d rented his name but nothing else, and all the small creditors in his four bankruptcies. Comparing him to Madoff is not an exaggeration at all.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/13/2016 @ 10:04 am

    Forget it, Milhouse. WTF is a Trumpbot and no example of proof will make him think. He has way too much invested in a defense of Trump does not equal Madoff. He tried to claim that Cruz equalled now-disgraced evangelical leaders. I called him on it, and he didn’t like that. Tried to claim it was only joking. Yah, right.

    And so now, Happyfeet said something equally nutty, that Cruz = MoveOn. But here’s the difference: much as we all like to bag on Happyfeet, without a lot of whining and claiming humor and a show of sparks, he defended his position. Not well at all, but he gave it a shot. I know he’s in for Trump, so I’ll just leave it alone.

    WTF, much as I’m not going to change your mind, you ain’t changing mine. You probably typed your last post to me quickly, so I can’t read it slowly anyway.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  131. G6loq (3a2647) — 3/12/2016 @ 1:41 pm

    You must be referring to goods intended to be sold to China. Putting tariffs on imports wouldn’t have anything to do with that. AFAIK we don’t give them any trade secrets.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 3/12/2016 @ 6:51 pm

    Nope. You – have – to manufacture in China and provide the know how. If in a good mood they’ll let you export dead chicken, lumber, water and will charge a tariff.

    G6loq (3a2647)

  132. Again, if one needs to explain, the battle is lost.

    G6loq (3a2647) — 3/12/2016 @ 1:41 pm

    Shorter G6loq: Please don’t force me to defend my position!

    Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/12/2016 @ 2:07 pm

    Yo! You can only discuss things with someone who know the score … for that you need work at it.

    I resent your right to vote.

    G6loq (3a2647)

  133. G6loq,

    I address your concerns (except for the stupid one) by advocating a vote for Ted Cruz. (The stupid one is your concern about our country importing goods. Thank God for cheap imported goods, which make our lives better, and raise our standard of living– not that I expect you to ever understand this.)

    Patterico (2975ef) — 3/12/2016 @ 8:48 am
    Yes, I’ll vote for Cruz with a pinched nose. Look up Dominion Christianity.

    Yes, cheap imported goods is a good thing if there is a commensurate export flow of preferably high value items. Not the case, we’re requested to manufacture over there or else. Like a third world country we now export raw material.
    This country will turn ever more into a gathering of nose pickers.

    Discussing economics with lawyers is a waste of time. Lawyers!

    G6loq (3a2647)

  134. I resent your right to vote.

    G6loq (3a2647) — 3/13/2016 @ 1:18 pm

    Well, gee. I’m all broken up over your resentment. Boo hoo hoo, what ever shall I do now?

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  135. All the people who were swindled by “Trump University”, all the people who invested in developments to which he’d rented his name but nothing else, and all the small creditors in his four bankruptcies. Comparing him to Madoff is not an exaggeration at all.

    It is if you can grasp mathematical concepts like orders of magnitude. There is a significant difference in making an offering that turns out to be a bad investment and creating grossly misleading financial statements that are outright lies consisting of nothing more than a Ponzi scheme that brings about a crisis in the US financial system.

    Again, Trump is not 1) Hitler, 2) Bill Clinton (though close-ish), nor 3) Bernie Madoff.

    Rants portraying him as such do little more than poison the well. If you don’t like the man, fine. Stick to reasonable and responsible points in attacking him. Or anyone, really. Obama included. When you attack someone in an obvious and overtly ridiculous and unfair manner, you do little to support your own position and often end up driving people in the other direction.

    As for “without a lot of whining and claiming humor and a show of sparks, he defended his position.” The whining I see is coming from you rabid anti-Trumpers. Again, and I know you don’t want to believe this but…I do not care for much of Trump’s bluster and bullshit. However, as I say above…yet again…his faults are nowhere near the level of Hitler, nor Madoff, nor Bill Clinton. This descent into Goodwin and similar territory, poisoning the well is not good for the fight ahead. Playing the D’s game is absolutely shameful. Criticize Trump for his positions (as well as they can be deciphered) on trade or his general inconsistencies, or even his over the top rhetoric (in context of course) or his lack of class and/or tact. But to jump on the Nazi (though I suppose you yourself are at least a bit of a step back from that) or Madoff or Clinton comparisons shows a deficit in emotional control. Which on an individual basis is your own issue, but as political rhetoric goes is political poison.

    WTP (094b61)

  136. “Yes, cheap imported goods is a good thing if there is a commensurate export flow of preferably high value items. Not the case, we’re requested to manufacture over there or else. Like a third world country we now export raw material.
    G6loq (3a2647) — 3/13/2016 @ 1:24 pm

    Ok, you get to run one of two companies.

    Company 1, based in Canada, or Mexico. Sells a product to US, Mexico, and Canada. Looking to expand.
    They pay US taxes in US, Candaian Taxes in Canada, and Mexican taxes for sales in Mexico.
    When expanding they’ll pay taxes on the market they sell in.

    Company 2, based in the US. Sells the same product to US, Mexico, and Canada. Looking to expand.
    They pay US taxes in US, Candaian Taxes in Canada, and Mexican taxes for sales in Mexico.
    They ALSO pay extra taxes for any location with lower than US taxes when they bring the money back to the US, which the other company doesn’t have to pay.
    When expanding they’ll pay taxes in the market they sell in AND possibly other US taxes.

    Sourcing for my statement:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/lowellyoder/2012/03/06/beware-of-double-taxation-of-foreign-profits/#148eeb53560e

    Which company will be more competitive? The one being forced to pay extra taxes, or the one not forced to pay extra taxes for foreign sales that have already been taxed in foreign countries?
    How much will you have to raise tariffs to drive out competition from other countries in order to favor US companies that you’re deliberately punishing with the tax code we have?

    Oh, and how do higher taxes overall help the economy?

    When you’ve ignored the real problem; and propose a solution that makes things worse and increase the size, scope, and wealth of governemtn…
    I’m suspicious that was your goal.

    But maybe I’m wrong and US double taxing helps companies; but they just don’t see it?

    ertdfg (78d2ad)

  137. Your free market economics have put the bulk of the manufacturing capacity of the United States in the hands of the Communist Party of the People’s Republic of China. That’s your “small government”?

    nk (dbc370)

  138. G6loq (3a2647) — 3/12/2016 @ 1:41 pm

    You must be referring to goods intended to be sold to China. Putting tariffs on imports wouldn’t have anything to do with that. AFAIK we don’t give them any trade secrets.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 3/12/2016 @ 6:51 pm

    Nope. You – have – to manufacture in China and provide the know how. If in a good mood they’ll let you export dead chicken, lumber, water and will charge a tariff.

    G6loq (3a2647) — 3/13/2016 @ 1:16 pm

    Whatever China is forcing us to do, 1) tariffs have nothing to do with stopping that. 2) It has nothing to do with the question of comparative advantage. 3) It doesn’t make your case for forcing ourselves to pay more for things.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  139. Whatever China is forcing us to do, 1) tariffs have nothing to do with stopping that. 2) It has nothing to do with the question of comparative advantage. 3) It doesn’t make your case for forcing ourselves to pay more for things.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 3/13/2016 @ 6:53 pm

    Agree with your 1), 2) and 3). Remains both sides have to play by similar rules.
    Trades secrets used to be jealously guarded for a reason. We outsource precious know how to slave labor, import cheaper goods
    as a result. But our side of the trade at this time remains idle. Our local industries are eradicated, nobody is working and on top of it we are bringing in cheaper foreign labor, engineers and, MDs!
    A country is like a club. Only rich men’s club are feasible.
    Soon you have no income to buy the cheaper goods.
    Service economy will replace it you’d say. That means you do my hair, I do your nails or maybe fix your toilets. If you still have one.
    And no, exporting potato chips is not equivalent to micro-chips.

    We got snookered into it by the Chinesies as we were blinded by the promise of huge local markets and, the gut wrenching desire to escape overburdening corporate taxes.
    Those markets are not materializing and all businesses belong there directly or indirectly belong to the PLA/Triads. Just like doing business with the German National Socialists …. Thinking of which:
    http://blog.longreads.com/2016/03/08/your-phone-was-made-by-slaves-a-primer-on-the-secret-economy/

    Cuckservatives exist for a reason….

    G6loq (3a2647)

  140. yet china’s sustainability model, is not unlike the miti one on steroids, there’s a point when the supply of cheaply made goods, surpasses the demand, hence the collapse in crude prices, the concomitant impact on western companies that derive from that trade,

    narciso (732bc0)

  141. Well, gee. I’m all broken up over your resentment. Boo hoo hoo, what ever shall I do now?

    Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/13/2016 @ 1:26 pm

    Get the hell out of my country. The Founding Fathers didn’t intent for the likes of you to be voting.
    Suggest you go here below and shovel: the sooner the better.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoKuirDqeSo

    G6loq (3a2647)

  142. btw, cuckservative, means you’ve lost the argument, now you want to address the hollowing of America’s industrial base, that’s something else again, williamson can’t, maybe his early stint in indian papers has something to do with it,

    narciso (732bc0)

  143. There’s no meeting ground with most of Trump’s losers. Even if some of the things they say they want are the same things you want, they’re too loony to have on your team. Too many of them are basically a loud noise and a waste of space. Like Trump.

    nk (dbc370)

  144. narciso, what is the deal with a comma after every third word?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  145. it’s how I roll, now challenge my argument.

    narciso (732bc0)

  146. Get the hell out of my country. The Founding Fathers didn’t intent for the likes of you to be voting.
    Suggest you go here below and shovel: the sooner the better.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoKuirDqeSo

    G6loq (3a2647) — 3/13/2016 @ 8:09 pm

    I live in San Diego. Come and make me.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  147. I knew that if I scratched the erudite surface of G6, I’d find a totalitarian. He did not disappoint.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  148. The Founding Fathers didn’t intent for the likes of you to be voting.

    By the way dude, the verb you are looking for is intend, not intent. Also, with that snotty statement, you’re what- a xenophobe? Racist perhaps? Ach- I see. You’re just another Trump supporter. I’ll bet that overt violence isn’t very far from the surface. Why, I’ll even bet that Trump=Hitler is a sincere form of flattery from you.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  149. The “homosex” description was in response to an interview of Hitler’s doctors and not penned by the doctors themselves. Nonetheless, a very lengthy, well-researched documentary on the same subject, originally available on Youtube, pretty much put to rest any doubts about the homosexuality of Germany’s most infamous politician.

    Bull***t. Not only are the doubts restless, there really isn’t any foundation at all for your whole delusion. Your “well-researched documentary” was a paranoid fantasy utterly devoid of any historical merit. There is no basis at all for even supposing Hitler to have been homosexual. A single word allegedly written in “erratic shorthand” by a person with no relevant expertise whatsoever, who never so much as laid eyes on the man, is no evidence of anything at all.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  150. When Milhouse rails about how wrong you are, find comfort in your absolutely correct take.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  151. Get the hell out of my country. The Founding Fathers didn’t intent for the likes of you to be voting.

    What the Hell is that supposed to mean? In what universe does that make any sense? Who exactly is not supposed to be voting, and why? Hey, you little dictator, guess what, it isn’t your country, and you can get the hell out of it. Go to China and get a job there.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  152. no, in this case, he’s not running the argument clinic, mr, random numbers has to be a moby.

    narciso (732bc0)

  153. When Milhouse rails about how wrong you are, find comfort in your absolutely correct take.

    So you subscribe to Mark’s insanity too, do you? You also think Hitler was a gay vegan? Good to know. You occasionally show signs of not being completely divorced from reality; now we will know to ignore those.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  154. Yes, cheap imported goods is a good thing if there is a commensurate export flow of preferably high value items.

    No, cheap imported goods are a good thing in and of themselves. Because they’re cheap.

    Not the case, we’re requested to manufacture over there or else

    Or else what?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  155. What the Hell is that supposed to mean? In what universe does that make any sense? Who exactly is not supposed to be voting, and why? Hey, you little dictator, guess what, it isn’t your country, and you can get the hell out of it. Go to China and get a job there.

    Milhouse (87c499) — 3/13/2016 @ 10:20 pm

    No no no, Milhouse. Much as we don’t really know how many licks it takes to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop, I’m curious to see just how much rage-induced spittle it takes to cover G6’s monitor before he finally stops posting nonsense. We’ll probably never know.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  156. When Milhouse rails about how wrong you are, find comfort in your absolutely correct take.

    He’s odd, isn’t he.

    It’s weird for anyone (except presumably an admirer of Hitler—or maybe an admirer of the gay community?) to react so indignantly towards the statement that Hitler was homosexual. By contrast, it would be perfectly normal for a person to feel irate towards the claim that der Fuhrer, in reality, admired Jews and the story of his regime’s crematoriums was a big lie.

    When people sound rational in general but then come out of left field on various occasions, that always amazes me.

    Mark (003427)

  157. I have a comment “awaiting moderation” at:

    3/13/2016 @ 5:37 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Not sure what the problem might be. Thought it was my use of the BS word but Patterico himself spells it out above in reference to another commenter, much harsher that my usage. Perhaps the use of a link back to a story elsewhere on this site? Or perhaps just a spambot snafu? A little help?

    WTP (5ea774)

  158. When Milhouse rails about how wrong you are, find comfort in your absolutely correct take.

    “He’s odd, isn’t he.”

    Yes, but describing Milhouse as “odd” doesn’t really do it justice. Bizarre… strange… wacky… “certifiably insane” may be closer to the mark.

    Colonel Haiku (eff58e)

  159. I have a comment “awaiting moderation” at:

    3/13/2016 @ 5:37 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    Not sure what the problem might be. Thought it was my use of the BS word but Patterico himself spells it out above in reference to another commenter, much harsher that my usage. Perhaps the use of a link back to a story elsewhere on this site? Or perhaps just a spambot snafu? A little help?

    WTP (5ea774) — 3/14/2016 @ 5:05 am

    Pat can override the filters- we can’t. Chances are you used a “bad word” and it got caught. I’ve found that an asterisk strategically replacing a letter or two in your word gets it through the filter, and your point remains the same. You can also rephrase the word- “bulls**t” becomes “bulldust” or “bullpatty”. Some of the milder words get through no problem.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)


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