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3/10/2016

GOP Debate Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 4:25 pm



[guest post by Dana]

So tonight, just five days before 350 delegates are up for grabs, we have another GOP debate. This time it’s coming from the University of Miami and will be aired on CNN.

I already feel exhausted just thinking about Trump spouting off about himself and how fabulous he is. I really hope one of the moderators asks him if he condones his campaign manager assaulting women.

Oh, and for what’s it’s worth, it is being reported that Ben Carson will announce his support for Trump tomorrow.

Here we go!

–Dana

265 Responses to “GOP Debate Open Thread”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. Carson’s going to endorse Trump?!
    So, does Team Trump want the endorsement of a “psychopath” who “wasn’t really all that good of a surgeon”? (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  3. I wish the guy from Ohio had laryngitis.

    mg (31009b)

  4. i always knew eminent physician Dr. Ben Carson harbored a vast reservoir of wisdom and that he sees things other people do not, and with an extraordinary clarity

    happyfeet (831175)

  5. I hope the rumor about Carson is not true,
    If it is, I will be dumbfounded.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  6. I’ll say about this debate what I said before the last one: Trump needs to not lose, and what he has to do to do that is not shoot himself in the foot. That’s a tall order for Trump, but within the realm of the possible. I expect he’ll try, because he faces a must-win situation Tuesday; he needs to win either Florida or Ohio or his delegate lead is toast, and he’s not the frontrunner anymore – and he’ll find himself playing catch-up at a very late point in the race, with a very narrow path to 1237.

    Cruz needs to make his case that this is now a two-man race, so I’m expecting that to be his focus.

    Rubio and Kasich, I’m guessing, will be playing more to their respective home state audiences, because both face must-win races Tuesday. If they lose their states, I think it’s irrelevant whether they drop out or not – they’re effectively toast.

    I do hope that this debate has less gutterball, because that hurts us for November.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  7. At an undisclosed secure location.

    nk (9faaca)

  8. It would be fair if the RNC and the hack donors had to watch on T.V. And how much fun would it be if the seats were taken by Trump backers?

    mg (31009b)

  9. Mike Lee. The only senate endorsement needed.

    mg (31009b)

  10. it would have been good if sasse, had wanted to endorse him, but we know the end of that story,

    narciso (732bc0)

  11. Just goes to show that surgeon’s aren’t necessarily the greatest folks upon which to rely for judgment outside their specialty.

    What freaking academic construct did Carson conjure to arrive at an endorsement for the croniest of cronies? Truly pathetic. Truly.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  12. Analysis of the end totals for delegates from a Conservative neutral Washington Times:

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/9/donald-trump-storm-convention-just-shy-delegate-th/

    They say Trump will be shy of 50%, Cruz will have 25%, Kasich and Rubio together something like 15% and the remainder will be unbound, for instance all the delegates of those who drop, 250 or so in the RNC pocket, etc.

    The potential for mayhem is clear.

    DNF (ffe548)

  13. 11. The danger in being the smartest man in the room is you end alone.

    DNF (ffe548)

  14. I hate neurosurgeons but I’m not ready to start calling Carson a lispy fruit-loop before I hear the endorsement of Trump from his own mouth.

    nk (9faaca)

  15. 5. They’re both outsiders and Carson never threatened Trump engendering bile.

    DNF (ffe548)

  16. yes yes we have to wait and see

    happyfeet (831175)

  17. Roses are red,
    violets are blue,
    call Ben Carson a pedophile
    and he’ll endorse you.

    — Dana Loesch, on that twittweet thing

    Beldar (fa637a)

  18. 9. Sessions was nigh to unimpeachable.

    If Cruz is a man in control of himself he needs to brave the ire of the GOPe and go after the Fed and our total loss of ME influence, e.g., Libya, Syria, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.

    If he really wants to beat Trump he has to steal his fire, otherwise be content with dyspeptic malcontents insufficient to earn 200 Electoral College tallies.

    DNF (755a85)

  19. I’d like to see Carson join Trump at the podium, then endorse Cruz.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  20. If he really wants to beat Trump he has to steal his fire

    Trump stole everything he’s got.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  21. Would Carson endorse Trump for money? He is such a nice man with an admirable career, but his money judgment is questionable.

    DRJ (15874d)

  22. I think Carson believes Cruz is a cheat so he would never endorse him. I guess he thinks Trump is honorable.

    DRJ (15874d)

  23. For gold, maybe. Would you take a check from Donald Trump?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  24. This is like herding planaria.

    DNF (ffe548)

  25. I guess he thinks Trump is honorable.

    His “babe in the woods” vibe cost him serious consideration.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  26. If I were Cruz I’d feel good Carson endorsed Trump. Ben would have been a star on the gong show!

    mg (31009b)

  27. This diminishes Carson without much helping Trump. It’s just sad. It’s a deeply cynical act by Dr. Carson, deeply petty.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  28. Rinse Prius, or however his name is spelled, ought not make any public speeches. I think he just managed to annoy everyone in the room and in the viewing audience in the space of about 30 seconds.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  29. Patterico, et al, Reince Priebus is talkin to you.

    ropelight (d92a84)

  30. well he is the phillip hoffman character from the hunger games, with the caveat he doesn’t know what’s going on,

    narciso (732bc0)

  31. Cruz should ignore the field on stage and speak about policy and how the democrats and the establishment rinos have screwed us.

    mg (31009b)

  32. Cruz shakes Kasich’s hand. Trump shakes Cruz’s hand. Rubio and Trump ignore each other.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  33. Given one more instance of questionable judgement and malevolent motives – to wit, AG Lynch’s admission of consideration of the use of RICO against climate change deniers – the Democrats must be kept as far away from positions of power as is possible. That is very important to me.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  34. When I see Prince Rieus speak my hands always end up holding my head.

    mg (31009b)

  35. I love a straight-up — harmonized, but unadorned and unchanged — national anthem. Bravo.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  36. I’m beginning to think you may not want Cruz to win this thing, mg.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  37. Kasich: future
    Rubio: future
    Cruz: future
    Trump: Look at me!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  38. Cruz/West
    I have a very hard time with republican liars. Trump is the side show we have been dealt, Col.
    Land-o-Lakes butter for your popcorn.

    mg (31009b)

  39. Sabato points out that since 1972 every attempt by the runnerup to best a frontrunner at convention has failed.

    The practicability of Romany jumping in with CA and getting to change rule 40 to allow his challenge is virtually nil.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/what-brokered-convention-gop-rules-favor-trump-n535381

    Right now Trump takes FL’s 99 easily and OH is within his grasp. So he will jump ahead by May 16th into a lead of ca. 300.

    DNF (755a85)

  40. Kasich does have a blue collar haircut… right out of the barber college.

    CNN’s on screen question is one they’d probably never ask a Democrat.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  41. I think Carson believes Cruz is a cheat so he would never endorse him. I guess he thinks Trump is honorable.

    DRJ (15874d) — 3/10/2016 @ 5:35 pm

    So, if Carson were offered a post in a Cruz administration, would he honest enough to decline?

    I’m really disappointed with this news. Oh well- he’s bought his ticket, now he can ride.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  42. These CNN questions suck.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  43. Lay it out Cruz!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  44. That’s what I’m talking about Ted

    mg (ce5ace)

  45. A more cynical view is that Trump would be more likely to name Carson as Surgeon General than the other candidates would be.

    DRJ (15874d)

  46. I was thinking the more cynical part is, if Carson supports him, it’s a direct slap at Cruz, and that its personal.

    Dana (86e864)

  47. Yahoo News just now:

    “Ben Carson has decided to endorse Republican frontrunner Donald Trump and will officially do so on Friday morning in an appearance with Trump in Palm Beach, Fla., Yahoo News has learned.”

    Dana (86e864)

  48. Beyond incredible that Trump ADMITS he won’t hire Americans. No audience response. PATHETIC. Teflon voters are willfully ignorant and genuinely stupid.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  49. Trump will f*ck you, but hey, he’s a bidness man, it’s his nature.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. Did Kasich just claim to have grown “over four hundred private sector jobs since I’ve been governor”?

    Then Trump: “I know the H1B very well, and it’s something that I use, and I shouldn’t be allowed to use it, and we shouldn’t have it.”

    There, in a mangled, run-on sentence, is an example of why Donald J. Trump can never be trusted on anything by anyone.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  51. What taxes on exports do we have? I thought they were unconstitutional.

    nk (9faaca)

  52. Yes, Ted! We lack the political will – on both sides of the aisle – to end illegal immigration.

    Dana (86e864)

  53. “Well, I’m a businessman, and I do what I have to do. It’s sitting there waiting for you.” — Trump, explaining why he does something that he just called “very bad.”

    So why would we expect any other excuse when he’s looted the federal treasury? “It was sitting there, waiting for me. I did what I have to do.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  54. why is lil roob roob here again?

    happyfeet (831175)

  55. Trump: it’s terrible, but hey, I’m a business man, you know…

    Dana (86e864)

  56. A more cynical view is that Trump would be more likely to name Carson as Surgeon General than the other candidates would be.

    DRJ (15874d) — 3/10/2016 @ 6:10 pm

    Imma bet that all of the remainder offered him that post. It’s a good fit on him, and if he’s still young enough that if he wanted to, with 4/8 years of exec branch experience under his belt, he could try again. The really cynical view is, if the Surgeon General’s office can survive Jocelyn Elders, it can survive Ben Carson.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  57. Ben Carson to Trump. Go figure.

    Dana (86e864)

  58. Cruz is killing it with Luntz Group so far. Trump got a 49 when he admitted he hires foreigners.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  59. This is the ted I mentioned earlier Col.

    mg (ce5ace)

  60. i love how Mr. The Donald isn’t afraid to take on the teacher unions

    it’s very inspiring

    happyfeet (831175)

  61. This is like herding planaria.
    DNF (ffe548) — 3/10/2016 @ 5:37 pm

    That was clever.

    For awhile Carson and Trump shared #1 and #2 with each other before Carson faded.
    If Carson really endorses trump, I will assume that the Ben Carson I respect has been replaced by an imposter, and I will have little respect for whoever it is in his body from here on out.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (3fd36a)

  62. Kasich fought parents in OH who demanded local control. He was vicious! He is SUCH a toad.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  63. Lispy fruit-loop.

    nk (9faaca)

  64. They’re trying to be boring, and succeeding.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  65. MD [in] Philly, do you care to comment on my theory that Trump is the Zombie Apocalypse, which is to say, he’s an as-yet-undiagnosed disease vector that turns angry people into zombies?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  66. (… ’cause even though he’s a neurosurgeon, if Dr. Carson walks out tomorrow saying “Braaaaaains ….)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  67. Parents are not the only ones who pay school taxes.

    nk (9faaca)

  68. Cruz is my kind of boring

    mg (ce5ace)

  69. Boring is a loss for Trump. He’ll pull some stunt soon, you wait.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  70. when did republicans become filthy means-testers for these gaudy entitlement programs it makes me nauseous

    happyfeet (831175)

  71. Trump is getting an ENORMOUS benefit from the CNN choice to make this nearly entirely on substance. This is no coincidence. It’s all about helping Trump avoiding a meltdown.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  72. 62. I figured ‘Flat Stanleys’ too obvious.

    DNF (755a85)

  73. Good one on SS, Trump, at least at the beginning.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  74. Why doesn’t Dana Bash ask these proctologist-worthy questions of Clinton and/or Sanders?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  75. Q: Mr Trump, how do you feel about kitty cats?

    DT: There are so many doggies in the world it is amazing.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  76. This is where Trump shines

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  77. GDP was zero for the last two quarters?

    The entire United States produced nothing for the last six months?!?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  78. Boring is a loss for Trump. He’ll pull some stunt soon, you wait.

    I’m not so sure. He’s leading. He wants to coast and they’re letting him.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  79. 39 As Sabato opined at the link the GOPe can always run their sacrificial lambs as independent and have their ticket ride those coattails.

    GLWT.

    DNF (755a85)

  80. It’s all scratching each other’s back, feathering of the nests in this world… even in the USA.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  81. “Government is the problem. ” Go Ted!!!

    Dana (86e864)

  82. Boring is a loss for Trump. He’ll pull some stunt soon, you wait.

    Does he really have that much self-control? I don’t think so.

    Dana (86e864)

  83. Coasting would be smart. But it’s not his nature.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  84. Sabato is a Mr. Whipple-mustached fraud

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  85. DT may be ignorant, but he completely gets that keeping his powder dry = winning FL.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  86. Governor Tick… er, Kasich…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  87. Evidently OH ballot is very confusing so there’s potential for more umbrage, if y’all needed more material.

    DNF (755a85)

  88. Gad, Kasich is so smugly impressed with himself. Ad nauseum.

    Dana (86e864)

  89. ‘from the folks that brought you the butterfly ballot’

    narciso (732bc0)

  90. and Kasich tried to sell me pot at the ’76 convention, the worm!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  91. Trump has about six lines he just keeps repeating – no matter what the subject is. Even I’ve memorized a few of them!

    Dana (86e864)

  92. What’s r0und on the ends, HI in the middle, oHIo

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  93. Jake Tapper: Senator Cruz, why are 35% of Republican voters so stupid?

    pinandpuller (928ad9)

  94. Cruz smacks Trump upside the head!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  95. Levy a 49% tax on soy sauce!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  96. That’s stage 1 thinking, Colonel.

    ropelight (d92a84)

  97. Cruz is destroying DT on substance. It’s also as if Marco and Kasich aren’t even there. I’ll be stunned if this actually matters at the polls.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  98. pinandpuller,

    Actually, what Jake Tapper asked is, “How come 65% of GOP voters are against the Orange Toupee?”

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  99. Looks like he’s winning me over Ropelight!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  100. 14.3 seconds of fame and counting for Amy Schumer… God, I wish.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  101. Luntz Group is loving Ted tonight. Even friggin Michael Medved is singing his praises. He HATES Cruz.

    Speaking of Salem hosts, Where’s Waldo (Hugh)?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  102. Rubio is in his corner getting gravitas injections and getting his cuts treated…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  103. #100, Colonel, you’re still on Island time. Your head is here, but your feet are still in the sand. Hawaii no ka oi.

    ropelight (d92a84)

  104. I’m rollin’ with da kine, bruhhda.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  105. Rubio is technically correct: Nidal Hasan wasn’t in uniform when he shot up Ft Hood.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  106. Luntz having a heart attack would register off the dial, sad to say.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  107. Kasich is a boob. Full stop. Turkey in the EU? What the frack?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  108. Limit it to sons, daughters, the first 10 wives and first cousins

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  109. Do we have to work with Saudi Arabia? They don’t want us on their holy ground, let’s clear out.

    pinandpuller (928ad9)

  110. Beldar (fa637a) — 3/10/2016 @ 6:21 pm

    Not exactly
    He is the Repub equivalent of Obama, people listen to what he says, it sounds pleasing at the moment, and there is not enough experience actually doing critical thinking to know better.

    I don’t mean that as an insult, and I’ve tried to give Trump supporters an understanding ear for their anger and wanting to do something about it.

    But dag, look under the hood before you buy the used car from the smiling salesman, and if there is actually an engine in it, drive it to your own mechanic to be looked at.

    What was the main ongoing debate about Obama among his detractors?
    Whether or not he was woefully inadequate or whether he was skillfully doing what he wanted to undermine the US (or the proverbial both);
    What is the question about Trump?
    Is he really trying to get the presidency or is he trying to destroy the Repubs for the Clintons?

    I have no love for the GOPe, my fantasy is that everybody is ticked off at convention time and there is at least a 4 way race, Cruz wins, and a new more conservative party coalesces around him.
    Yeah, that’s a fantasy and I don’t seriously believe there is a chance of it happening,
    I just say it to verify my non-GOPe status.

    But look, Cruz was talking about getting tough on the border years before Trump was, and Cruz was arguing for religious freedom before the Supreme Court while Trump was taking his companies through bankruptcy for the 4th time.

    All Trump has is what it took to make a “reality” TV show
    Is that what you really want in the WH?

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (3fd36a)

  111. saudis are nasty

    happyfeet (831175)

  112. Ask him about the Looming Towers, Hugh

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  113. Marco and Ted are killin’ it on national defense. Hugh Hewitt killed it with his question to Trump about Israel.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  114. “All Trump has is what it took to make a “reality” TV show
    Is that what you really want in the WH?”

    A yuuuuuuuuuuuuge improvement over who’s living their at the moment!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  115. there

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  116. Some of my best friends are Jews.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  117. Well said, Rubio.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  118. I call BS… Jackie Mason is more pro-Israel than Trump.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  119. What’s with the tremors, Cruz?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  120. Make book. 2016 tickets:

    Trump/Kasich vs. Clinton/Castro.

    Trump wins popular vote by 2.6%.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  121. Kasich sounds great with the sound off.

    nk (9faaca)

  122. Cruz is impressive with his knowledge of the issues and a plan to fix it. He has laid it out easy enough for the undecideds to realize this guy gets it.

    mg (31009b)

  123. Carson is going to endorse a dude that compared him to a pedophile?

    LOL!. What a rube.

    Speechless. Glad he is out.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  124. applause, nk.

    mg (31009b)

  125. Does anyone else think Dana Bash looks like Lady Gaga’s older sister?

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  126. I think she looks like a young Tipper Gore.

    nk (9faaca)

  127. oh gosh had to bail on this

    happyfeet (831175)

  128. Can’t we just invade Cuba again once and for all and set up Rubio as Governor for life?

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  129. Bash resembles the south end of a northbound horse.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  130. Nk

    Al Gore would hit that…

    With his Prius.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  131. It’s hot under those lights, but is that flop sweat I’m seeing on Teh Tic’s brow?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  132. We don’t need smarter people running for president.

    I thought that was your big selling point, Ted.

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  133. @ A.R. (#130), who wrote:

    Trump made exactly the point he ought to: pass stronger laws allowing for much more violence in more contexts against the country’s enemies, individually and collectively.

    That is a gem of a sentence. But it doesn’t resemble anything Trump actually said.

    Methinks you’re listening through rose-colored glasses, or something. 😀

    Beldar (fa637a)

  134. What the motherfreaking freak?!!!!!!!!!!! Climate change?????????????

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  135. Tic found in DC hotel, dead from heavy blows about the head…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  136. If the oceans rise, Trump will build a terrific wall around your city if you behave.

    Nobody likes dykes more than Trump.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  137. This just in… Bash’s father was a mudder…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  138. Maybe nocturnal emissions, Tic…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  139. you mean lesin, volodya’s former media chief,

    narciso (732bc0)

  140. Colin Powell contributed to the damage inflicted on the world and this nation by endorsing the current jackass in the WH.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  141. AR – thanks for the humor. That was good stuff.

    JD (588c0e)

  142. And the guy did that twice

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  143. Rubio’s Cuba riff was dynamite. If he needed to shore up his support in the FL Cubano community, he’s certainly done it.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  144. 4 dead in oHIo…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  145. Not for nothing but Cruz gives me this Dukakis kind of vibe. Just the way he comes off. Somebody ask him a rape question.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  146. Poor Hugh. Ted took the wind out of his sails just as he was about to mention the murder of the American in Israel. He has also been relegated to utter insignificance since then. When is he going to wake up to the FACT he has been co-opted by Turner? A useful idiot in the making, he is.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  147. Ted Cruz is saying all the right things. I’m impressed, he’s right on the issues and right on the politics. I see why so many commenters here support him so strongly.

    ropelight (d92a84)

  148. @ A.R., who wrote (#):

    He’s too big of a man to let an attack he knows well he set up change what he knows is right for the future.

    Yeah, right: Carson wanted to be called a pedophile. He begged for it, he deserved it.

    You, sir or ma’am, are so far over the top you couldn’t climb down with a 95′ firetruck ladder.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  149. if this hasn’t been clear from the last three outings,

    narciso (732bc0)

  150. Anyone get the feeling that anything that has happened tonight will give Ted a win in Illinois? Ted did solidify support in MO. Will it be enough?

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  151. “So far over the top…”

    I don’t know which is better, that or herding planaria…

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  152. pp 148- your in happyfeets territory.

    mg (31009b)

  153. Beldar – AR takes drooling sycophant to new heights.

    JD (588c0e)

  154. Mr Trump, when your believers take their pledge can you add something about not being mean to people?

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  155. Cruz borrowed Trump’s “pan the cameras to the audience” schtick.

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  156. No question about the assault by Trump’s campaign manager then.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  157. Kasich just proclaimed that truth is malleable!!!!!! No audience response. Crickets throughout the twitterverse. Pathetic.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  158. 155 mg

    I don’t know if I’m in his territory legally. I hope I can still vote.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  159. Tic used Reagan as his cover for his illicit activities at that ’76 convention.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  160. Mr OMB balance the budget says math doesn’t always tell the story in politics.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  161. No question about the assault by Trump’s campaign manager then.

    Yeah. Shouldn’t be a surprise, but come on…

    Dana (86e864)

  162. Ed from SFV,

    Oh, stop with your silly Hugh Hewitt Derangement Syndrome. All you ever do is trash him.
    He was one of Reagan’s lawyers. He’s on the Right.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  163. Kasich can explain how Jeb can lose the primary and win the general.

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  164. Rubio! No! Don’t give up! At least until tomorrow morning.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  165. “Self-funding”… more BS.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  166. Donald knows more about it than anybody who’s ever lived.
    Oh, God.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  167. Rubio is good tonight.

    nk (9faaca)

  168. well hugh should realize that tapper and bash and all his new buddies are not our friends,

    narciso (732bc0)

  169. Why bring up the Nixon pardon, Kasich? Just — why?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  170. Hewitt has been co-opted. It matters. He is seen as a conservative. He is manifestly NOT a conservative – by his own admission.

    I was an avid listener for years. His shtick to be the academic of talk show hosts has resulted in his being blinded to the subtle ways the progressives shift the culture. He is a Rubio who ultimately wished to get along and reach out for common ground.

    In a year when Trump is stealing the meaning from conservatism, I’ll be darned if I won’t call out a moderately statist wolf like Hewitt who makes a living off his service in the Reagan years.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  171. The only one who could move me

    Was the son of a postal man

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  172. Trump is a fast forward. What a dunce = and to his voters wtf?

    mg (31009b)

  173. Oops! Meant to mute Kasich and turned off the TV. Thank you, Freudian fat finger.

    nk (9faaca)

  174. Cruz wins this battle, but Trump’s interests in the greater war were served very, very, well.

    And now he will take his debate marbles and go home.

    A tragically lost opportunity, this night was.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  175. Ed

    HH looks like the Barry Bostwick of radio.

    pinandpuller (928ad9)

  176. I disagree the audience learned more about cuba policy, then their professors taught them.

    narciso (732bc0)

  177. Why does Trump get to respond after every other candidates speaks?

    It’s because Trump gets killed against Clinton AND Sanders.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  178. As was very much the intention when the RNC declared that the media outlets hosting this cycle’s debates had to be “partnered” with conservative media voices, Hugh Hewitt has been part of the pre-debate preparation for each of the debates in which he’s participated as Salem Media’s designee.

    His involvement was intended to serve — and, watching this debate tonight, I think probably did serve — to give the CNN people some very different perspectives than they’d have come up with if left exclusively to themselves.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  179. Does anyone know Morse code?

    What’s Kasich blinking?

    pinandpuller (928ad9)

  180. Cruz is very clever.

    Dana (86e864)

  181. Marco Rubio’s future plans: guest lecturer at the Bartending Academy.

    He’s a legacy.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  182. you notice that poll is an outlier, as is it with most everytime msnbc comes up with a sample,

    narciso (732bc0)

  183. Gerald A, and I liked Cruz saying it out loud.

    nk (9faaca)

  184. did the agrabah incident teach you nothing,

    narciso (732bc0)

  185. Trump is what Tony Soprano would’ve turned into, if he’d been born into great wealth.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  186. In This Thread:

    Cruzies waiting to see if Cory hipchecks this Brian Kilmeafd wannabe while Trump shoulder-rolls for the exit.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  187. Ed From SFV,

    Oh, please stop with the paranoia.
    Can we entertain just a slighhhtt bit of strategic thinking?
    Hugh Hewitt is very conservative. Unlike you, he understands that we can get a Tom Cotton in Arkansas or a Ted Cruz in Texas, but we can only get a Kelly Ayotte in New Hampshire or a Ron Johnson in Wisconsin.
    All the conspiracy theories about Karl Rove & His Magical Whiteboard & the Chamber of Commerce are just silly.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  188. Luntz must be orgasmic! He got his substantive debate, filled with substance and absent personal attacks. It’s as if they all took his paid advice and executed to a “T.” And whaddya know…his group has declared EVERYone a winner! Vomit. Absolutely sickening.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  189. Kasich just proclaimed that truth is malleable!!!!!!

    Situational ethics or moral relativism!

    Such a mindset is surprising coming from a staunch conservative like Kasich [snerk]. He’s the type of Republican who probably will be voting for Hillary in November.

    As for another breed of Republicans who puzzles me greatly are the ones who embrace Trump but strongly dislike Cruz. The breed of Republicans who irks me the most are the ones who won’t vote for any Republican unless it’s Kasich or Rubio, and should they fail in getting the nomination, will instead vote for the out-and-out, flat-out liberal, meaning the Democrat Party’s nominee.

    Mark (003427)

  190. 190 – CS Pragmatism is what got us here. Happily, this is a year when a Reagan would crush HRC. No need to pander to the squishes. Hewitt and his besty Romney are hurting, not helping. They had their chance in 2012.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  191. Hewitt is very conservative? LOL

    JD (588c0e)

  192. I still can’t believe Trump wasn’t pressed on his campaign manager and Ms. Fields.

    Dana (86e864)

  193. I wish Cruz would have found a way to make even a three-second reminder about Trump’s tax returns.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  194. Early vote totals:

    **DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE 12TH REPUBLICAN DEBATE ’16?

    TRUMP 55.54% (63,629 votes)

    CRUZ 37.37% (42,813 votes)

    RUBIO 3.61% (4,140 votes)

    KASICH 3.47% (3,977 votes)

    Total Votes: 114,559

    ropelight (d92a84)

  195. Is there a single person here who wants to know the results of a rigged internet poll from Drudge?

    If so, I suggest you go read Drudge.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  196. Why didn’t Cruz or Rubio jump on Trump about Corey Lewandowsli?

    Dana (86e864)

  197. Beldar – it is beyond meaningless. 55.54% of Trump supporters and Dems think Trump won. Woohoo!!!

    JD (588c0e)

  198. I think the other 3 remaining candidates have to start running commercials with the poll numbers – the head to head matchups showing Trump will lose and also his sky high negatives. Maybe include some commentary from some of the political analysts. There’s still all these clueless people who, for some bizarre reason, think he’s the strongest candidate in the general.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  199. And 20 minutes later the Trump poll says the same thing. Obviously the updates from Trump HQ aren’t coming in regularly.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  200. Why didn’t Cruz or Rubio jump on Trump about Corey Lewandowsli?

    Because 99.99% of the viewers would say Hunh?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  201. #202, Kevin, results have been updated – close to 120,000 votes without much change in the percentages. Also, there’s a Twitter poll that has Trump way up.

    ropelight (d92a84)

  202. Another depressing event tonight: Virgin Islands voted. All 6 delegates will be UNCOMMITTED. Per Decision Desk.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  203. Ed From SFV,

    Hewitt is one of Reagan’s three legged stool conservatives—economic, social, and national security.
    But let’s look at talk radio objectively. How often does Rush interview ANYBODY? Never. How often does Mark Levin interview anyone—not very often. And Sean Hannity has a few liberals on his show whom he socializes with, but that’s about it. But half of Sean’s interviews with liberals end up with, “Okay, well, even though we disagree, I’ll still see you this weekend at the Mets game or the bar-b-que!” (LOL)

    Hewitt interviews anyone and everyone. There’s nobody in talk radio who interviews as many sh*t-kickers as Hugh Hewitt—nobody. Some of you guys want Hugh to go nuclear on people, but if he does that, he’ll never get return guests—especially not people he disagrees with. See, unlike Rush, and Levin, and Hannity, and Michael Savage, blah, blah, blah, he actually brings people on whom he disagrees with. The whole point of bringing them on the program is to have a conversation. And as Dennis Prager says, “So that we can illuminate clarity about where we differ.”
    Hewitt probes guests for information, whereas a lot of people on the Right just want Hugh to tell them off. But again, if he were to do that, they would never return.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  204. I wish Cruz would have found a way to make even a three-second reminder about Trump’s tax returns.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 3/10/2016 @ 8:16 pm

    Excellent point!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  205. yes, and we prove they are on balance, ignorant as carp, yet they lecture us, about the wonders of the regime,

    narciso (732bc0)

  206. I feel like they legitimized Trump tonight.

    I feel dispirited.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  207. Yup, Pat. CNN got the result they wanted. Best of all worlds…unanimous praise for the most civil, balanced, and substantive debate evah – and they propped DT up.

    Ted deserves blame for his refusal to see the forest for the trees, as well. If he had half the level of human political instincts to go with his unsurpassed argumentative skills, we would not be on the brink of disaster.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  208. there were some good questions, some odd answers, like rubio crediting doc brown, and some instance where a candidate was outside of his depth, there’s only so much roger stone, can tell him,

    narciso (732bc0)

  209. Cheer up, Patterico. The Drudge Poll results show a pronounced narrowing of the gap between Trump and Cruz – it’s down to a little over 1% and the momentum is all for Cruz.

    ropelight (d92a84)

  210. I’m not dispirited. I don’t think this debate is going to have much impact on the race. If anything, Kasich was disadvantaged by the fact that there were no fireworks: He lost his “I’m the only adult on the stage” monopoly.

    Rubio’s whole performance was tailored to his FL base. This was about turning out the votes. I think he did himself a lot of good on that.

    I think we’re way past the point where anyone is fooled, one way or another, about whether Trump is legitimate. Either you see that he’s a con man, or you’re blinding yourself to that.

    Trump was dull tonight. Dull is Trump’s kryptonite.

    Cruz had an excellent night, I thought. There is some double-digit number of future GOP primary voters in states other than Ohio and Florida — including MO, NC & even IL. I’m very optimistic about the first two, and Cruz’ performance in MI, of all the ridiculous places to expect him to do well (he spent $1100 there), makes me curious about IL. His line about the Washington bureaucrats who are killing jobs — knowing who they are and where to find them, with his promise to “fire them” — man, that registered with a whole lot of people who may have tuned out during the last two debates, precisely because of their theatrics.

    Each campaign is running its equivalent of the two-minute drill before halftime. But only two candidates will be left for the second half, and the score is still plenty close as between those two.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  211. double-digit number –> “double-digit percentage”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  212. Blearg. Okay, re-reading #213, I see that I left a sentence in fragment form. Mea culpa. It ought to have read:

    There is some double-digit number of future GOP primary voters in states other than Ohio and Florida — including MO, NC & even IL — who had a chance to absorb the difference in substance between Cruz and Trump during the long portions of the debate when they were in a one-on-one back-and-forth.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  213. I didn’t see the debate but I read somewhere that Rubio blamed all Islamic terrorism on Trump because he makes them do terrorism by being such a meany. But it actually seems to me that the jihadists have been gentle as lambs after Trump made his comments about not importing anymore jihadists to America and “going after” their families.

    jcurtis (873cee)

  214. @ jcurtis: Most people commenting on this post did watch the debate. What you say you read somewhere, never happened.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  215. We’ve had name-calling, shout-fests and look how that worked out for Trump.

    From early on, I’ve thought that Trump is at his weakest in substantive discussions. To any voter who cares about the issues and not the shouting, this should help Cruz. But we’ll see.

    ThOR (a52560)

  216. I thought this was the best debate so far. I thought Cruz won in a landslide.

    mg (31009b)

  217. Cruz talking policy and plans gets me high.

    mg (31009b)

  218. Nothing quite as thrilling as a cruzgasm….

    spokanebob (d5ab7c)

  219. The Sea Island hacks hate this country. Everyone at that hate fest needs to become irrelevant, quickly.
    L&L brothers and sisters.

    mg (31009b)

  220. Romney is the endorsement no one wants.

    mg (31009b)

  221. Here’s this morning’s Drudge poll results:

    **DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE 12TH REPUBLICAN DEBATE ’16?

    TRUMP 66.58% (175,859 votes)

    CRUZ 22.86% (60,381 votes)

    RUBIO 5.68% (14,997 votes)

    KASICH 4.88% (12,900 votes)

    Total Votes: 264,137

    ropelight (3f0a14)

  222. poor lil roob roob

    he just can’t hang

    happyfeet (831175)

  223. There are things about Hewitt that I’ve liked over the years, and I understand the point about him not wanting to take out his guests so that they will come back,
    but,
    I think he often gives ridiculous views an air of legitimacy by letting them talk and then not making direct replies.

    E.g., he gave Politico and Matt Yglasias (sp?) a hearing when they were starting out, treating them as dispassionate thinkers, not apologists.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  224. I think Bennett is pretty polite to disagreeing guests, but he doesn’t have some of the the folk Hewitt does, whether he doesn’t want the same people as Hewitt, IDK.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  225. Trump was not as outrageous as usual. He can be sane if he tries. It’s too bad that he is not a natural born citizen since his mother was an immigrant, otherwise I might reconsider and vote for him against Hillary.

    nk (9faaca)

  226. I am not a wide and deep reader, (I read slowly and always have too many things to do),
    but AFAIK, David Horowitz is pretty legit,
    and I think of “conservative” media people as those who know David Horowitz and agree with him, and those that ignore him in one way or another. Medved, for example (at least last time I listened to him), never attributed malice to Obama and co, just being wrong. Hewitt is not as bad, but much of what he says and does I don’t understand in the context of Horowitz.

    But Horowitz is a bit of “you can’t handle the truth”, like Beck first exposing Alinsky. It is easy to realize people disagree about things, it is easy to just disregard anything that smells of nefarious activity and conspiracy,
    it is harder to get a grasp that there are really evil and deceitful people who smile to your face and say pleasant things who wish to crush you.
    (FWIW, I’m ambivalent about Beck, I think he has done a lot of good stuff, but I am seriously concerned for him.)
    I remember first seeing the Documentary “The War at Home”, it was heard to understand that there were serious anarchists who wanted to jump start a bloody revolution in the US, that there was evil behind much of the “Make love not war” crowd, though they did not know it.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  227. It is pretty unfortunate that Trump has done nothing to show he’s eligible for the presidency. He’s employed a lot of illegals and has manufacturing in China, while at the same time insulting american POWs, and the purpose of the citizenship requirement was to have presidents who are loyal to this country and our laws. He’s like a mix of Jane Fonda and Ernst Blofeld, and utterly unamerican in his lack of appreciation for American values of free speech and property rights.

    This needs to be settled now. Until he does, I guess I’ll settle for Cruz, who has never sent American jobs to China “Trump Style” and has defended our civil rights in many Supreme Court victories. Cruz is something of a champion for American values, after all.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  228. MD

    Medved was classmates with Bill and Hill at Yale. It may be harder for him to ascribe ill will to that side of the aisle.

    I guess Rush avoids this problem alltogether by mostly staying away from guests.

    pinandpuller (c16705)

  229. MD

    As a follow up, members of my family went to school with the Cheneys.

    My old HS named their stadium after Dick Cheyney.

    And you’re no Dick Cheyney…

    My actual point is, I just don’t get this evil caraciture of Dick Cheyney as you might have found with a Marc Maron or Janeanne Garofalo.

    I’m not saying I agree with every single thing he did but I don’t think he’s sinister.

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  230. Oh, indeed, I always ascribed most of the talk about Cheney as the standard MO to undermine Bush and Iraq.

    MD not exactly in Philly (b0439a)

  231. Yes, but was Wyoming part of the United States when Cheney was born?

    nk (9faaca)

  232. Well, as it turns out Beldar (#198) was right about the Drudge Poll being rigged. The only problem is that it was rigged in Cruz’s favor.

    After the GOP Debate ended, Drudge Report opened up its polls to get the consensus on who people think won the 12th Republican Debate. However, it has been reported that the poll was hacked and the numbers on Senator Ted Cruz were just generated by a bot.
    The complaint was first submitted on Reddit, where a user posted a screenshot photo of the alleged incident. The photo showed a filtered result for users in Delaware. The report allegedly had more than 44,000 users in favor of Ted Cruz, while only 140 users voted for Donald Trump. Overall, 99.65 percent users supposedly voted for Ted Cruz.

    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2873768/ted-cruz-supporter-cheats-on-drudge-polls-cruzbot-hacks-polls-to-boost-cruzs-numbers-over-trump/#UJmI6ByJEFhZgD1m.99

    At #202 Kevin smelled a rat. The numbers weren’t updating.

    I checked into it and found that Cruz was closing the gap at an astonishing rate. #212, I responded to Patterico, Cheer up, Patterico. The Drudge Poll results show a pronounced narrowing of the gap between Trump and Cruz – it’s down to a little over 1% and the momentum is all for Cruz.

    Now we understand, a Cruz supporter hacked the Drudge Poll. The numbers at #224 represent the best info so far.

    ropelight (3f0a14)

  233. good work Mr. ropelight

    happyfeet (831175)

  234. Nk

    I thought Cheyney was hatched by a dragon and fed the tears of brown people and the lamentations of their women.

    pinandpuller (928ad9)

  235. Trump is sticking behind Cory Lewandowsky.

    Does Michelle Williams have a good shot at winning a defamation suit since they are saying she made it up?

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  236. All the Drudge poll shows is how many Trump supporters read Drudge. Or know how to get on the inernet, take your choice.

    nk (9faaca)

  237. Now we understand, a Cruz supporter hacked the Drudge Poll. The numbers at #224 represent the best info so far.

    God and Copeland told him he must fulfill his destiny. He had no choice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0_KKg6Wh3Q

    spokanebob (e86321)

  238. I think that pointing out that Trump’s not really conservative, his questionable business practices, tax returns etc. has proven to be of limited impact so far. The main thing that might cause people to start leaving him is the simple fact that he has little chance of winning in November.

    In the debates when Cruz says he will lose to Hillary, Trump lies and says there’s polls showing him beating her. Technically that’s true but they’re older polls. Most people don’t follow the polls. Then he also says “I’ll take care of her!” which is convincing to his most awestruck supporters.

    Cruz, Rubio and Kasich have to switch gears and start pointing out there’s no current polls showing him winning. Run commercials quoting poll numbers, one after the other, including his high negatives. Forget about policy. Talking about Trump’s various positions, donations to liberals etc. may have peeled some supporters away but not enough. That doesn’t work with those most enamored with Trump.

    Some people are actually voting for him based on the belief that he’s the strongest candidate. Admittedly citing polls won’t work with a lot of them either. They’ll say “The GOPe put out that poll!” but there have to be a decent number who aren’t that stupid.

    Gerald A (945582)

  239. Ben Carson on TV endorsing The Donald. Why? Carson says Trump is very intelligent mans who cares deeply about America. As for the political trash talk, Carson says he and Trump have buried the hatchet.

    As a nation we cannot allow the agents of division to continue to separate us. Our strength is our unity.

    ropelight (3f0a14)

  240. GeraldA

    If Trump won’t beat Hillary Lewandosky will.

    pinandpuller (928ad9)

  241. “The only problem is that it was rigged in Cruz’s favor.”

    – ropelight

    I hope you realize that the fact that people can “hack” that stupid-ass Drudge straw poll (read: set up a bot to do what everyone else does – vote many many times) is one of about a dozen things that renders it completely illegitimate.

    Leviticus (a8efb0)

  242. NK

    Ivanka converted to Judaism. Is she still a natural born Trump?

    pinandpuller (a12946)

  243. Leviticus (a8efb0) — 3/11/2016 @ 6:35 am

    It’s hard to figure what ropelight realizes.

    Gerald A (945582)

  244. Horowitz is the iteration of James burnham, the latter a trotskyite who became a watchman against the left.

    narciso (732bc0)

  245. Liviticus, most voters operate at a higher ethical standard then you’re willing to grant. The Drudge poll isn’t pretending to be something it isn’t. Take it or leave it, but there’s no need to smear participants because you don’t like the fact your candidate didn’t do as well as you expected.

    ropelight (3f0a14)

  246. Yes Cheney has 32 years of experience, on balance with the right instincts as opposed to the solon*, who has been habiltually wrong.

    * ironic sobriquet

    narciso (732bc0)

  247. Only Marla’s kids are natural born citizens, pinandpuller, Ivana and Melania being immigrants. Judaism is irrelevant — the Constitution forbids religious tests.

    nk (9faaca)

  248. Much as with vietnam, we had been entangled with them for twenty years before the marine landings.

    narciso (732bc0)

  249. It’s not that we expected Cruz to do better; we knew from past Drudge polls that Trump would win, and win big.

    It’s simply that it’s not representative of anything, except for the neurotic need of Trump voters to prove he’s far more popular than he really is. It’s an unscientific internet poll, and those prove nothing. Just ask this fellow:

    “Internet poll wins guarantee election victory!”, said President Ron Paul.

    Evan3457 (057459)

  250. Sour grapes will turn your stomach, no matter what candidate you support.

    ropelight (3f0a14)

  251. The macho Grande tone has gotten ridiculous, really Aaron burr!

    narciso (732bc0)

  252. Why do you always misspell Leviticus’ name?

    DRJ (15874d)

  253. It’s an online community here. It’s no more real than the Drudge poll so I guess it doesn’t matter, but it is curious.

    DRJ (15874d)

  254. DRJ – I think this is more real than a Drudge poll. The commenters here are a collection of individuals, many of them with a long history with the site and with each other. The Drudge poll isn’t, and (like all internet polls) is very easily gamed.

    aphrael (3f0569)

  255. Well, I don’t think we would ever do a poll here and think it is anything but a poll here, with no generalizability to the general population.
    That is at least the suggestion when the Drudge poll is quoted, that it means something “out there”.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  256. Sour grapes will turn your stomach, no matter what candidate you support.

    ropelight (3f0a14) — 3/11/2016 @ 7:09 am

    Yes the Cruz supporters are despairing over Trump’s strong showing in the Drudge polls. I think you actually believe that.

    Gerald A (945582)

  257. I think most of us come here because it is a relatively civil place to exchange views, not to expect a numerical representation of the views in the public square, and to have have our assumptions and reason challenged,

    And, some challenges are more compelling than others.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  258. N

    You know, I would have thought that I was coming across as blatantly facetious.

    As another aside, one of my aunts married a Jewish feller (some folks call him guy, I call him feller) and converted.

    My dad said the wedding was pretty standard but at the end, in deference to our family, the couple stomped on a beer can.

    pinandpuller (0845e7)

  259. I am not going to despair one bit over Cruz winning or losing,
    though I may end up saddened and fearing for this country, and the world it is part of.

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (441480)

  260. A very interesting read… may help explain the Trump phenomenon and much of what has been happening for several years…

    WHAT CAN’T GO ON: Cloud People And Ground People https://theartsmechanical.wordpress.com/2016/03/11/cloud-people-and-ground-people/

    Colonel Haiku (11439f)

  261. this is what I was referring to,

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/what-would-hamilton-do/article/2001508

    the problem is, this is the tack they take with every insurgent candidate,

    narciso (732bc0)

  262. Just because you think you’re being dead-pan humorous doesn’t mean I can’t use you as a straight man.

    nk (9faaca)

  263. nk, i’m sorry, you may NOT use me as a straight man.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)


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