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3/8/2016

Donald Trump Shocked That Americans Are Disturbed By The Candidate Requesting Supporters Raise Their Arms In Allegiance To Him

Filed under: General — Dana @ 6:30 am



[guest post by Dana]

After requesting that assembled supporters raise their right arms and pledge to vote for him during a campaign stop in Florida several days ago, Donald Trump again asked crowds in Mississippi and North Carolina to raise their right arms while he lead them in a “pledge” of support yesterday. This morning, Trump claimed there was no similarity between this and that of the “Heil Hitler” salute. Further, while on the telephone with the TODAY show, the candidate sounded shocked to hear that people found the practice creepy. And disturbing:

“Honestly, until this phone call, I didn’t realize it was a problem,” Trump said on NBC’s “Today” show, claiming crowds are simply “having a good time” and suggesting they wanted the pledge.

“If it’s offensive, if there’s anything wrong with it, I wouldn’t do it,” Trump insisted, saying he would “look into” criticism.

“They’re raising their hand in the form of a vote, not in the form a salute,” Trump added on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” calling the controversy “crazy.”

Also:

But he said he will look into the claims and may reconsider the pledge at future events.

“I’ll certainly look into it because I don’t want to offend anybody. It’s been amazingly received, very well received,” he said.

As a reminder, this was Trump leading supporters in a pledge to vote for him while campaigning in Orlando several days ago:

“Let’s do a pledge. Who likes me in this room?” the Republican presidential candidate asked a large crowd Saturday in Orlando, Florida. “Raise your right hand: ‘I do solemnly swear that I — no matter how I feel, no matter what the conditions, if there’s hurricanes or whatever — will vote, on or before the 12th for Donald J. Trump for president.’” (Trump misstated the date of the Florida primary, which will be held on March 15.)

As the audience enthusiastically complied with his request, the candidate told them: “Don’t forget you all raised your hands. You swore. Bad things happen if you don’t live up to what you just did.”

–Dana

60 Responses to “Donald Trump Shocked That Americans Are Disturbed By The Candidate Requesting Supporters Raise Their Arms In Allegiance To Him”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. “Ich schwöre Dir, Donald Trump, Treue und Tapferkeit. Wir geloben Dir und den von Dir bestimmten Vorgesetzten Gehorsam bis in den Tod. So wahr mir Gott helfe!”

    nk (dbc370)

  3. “Don’t forget you all raised your hands. You swore. Bad things happen if you don’t live up to what you just did.”

    Says the guy who signs contacts, pays a trickle until the work is done, ad stiff the rest of the bill. The man has no shame. A complete sociopath.

    Random Numbers (d5cd81)

  4. He’s demented. And I’m pretty sure Melania and Ivanka know it. They have that deer in the headlights look when they’re with him.

    nk (dbc370)

  5. “Bad things happen if you don’t live up to what you just did.”

    (channeling Dennis Hopper)

    Bad things, man, bad things.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  6. Dennis Hopper is the only guy who could play the Donald. He could just recycle the character from Blue Velvet.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  7. So some of the folks who came to that rally were really just interested in hearing Trump speak. I am sure they found it very off putting that they were told to swear out a pledge, with a movement of their arms so everyone around would see if they weren’t loyal to Dear Leader.

    It reminds me of the last time I went shopping for a car. When I asked the dealer to reduce the price, instead of the cliche routine where he goes to talk to the manager, he wrote down a reduced price and then asked me to sign my name to a hand written promise to buy the car at that price. If you need pushy deal closing tactics to compete, all that tells me, in both cases, is that you don’t think you’re actually competitive.

    Trump’s implied voodoo threat to those who break their vow is hilarious. I wish Trump’s voters could go be in a special isolated country that Trump could rule, just so I could see if the president or the drooling voters were the real problem with such a concept.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  8. Apparently the Mexicans agree with nk:

    MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto compared the language of Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump to that of dictators Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini in an interview published Monday, and said it has hurt U.S.-Mexico relations.

    Rev. Hoagie™® (eb7063)

  9. I remember the simpler days of presidential campaigning when a candidate might just have Greek columns constructed on a stage, and might have had authoritarian posters of his image plastered all over big cities. It seems like only…eight years ago!

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  10. Not a Trump supporter, but I’m pretty tired of the Nazi comparisons for trivial actions.

    That sort of knee-jerk point-and-splutter is a Leftist tactic, and it is how you get President Trump.

    Gabriel Hanna (3d8e32)

  11. Now Patterico and Beldar, being lawyers, are going to demand that I quote them making an explicit Nazi comparison. Well, when Beldar says it reminds him of “Tomorrow Belongs to Me” there’s not much deniability left there. (Oh no, he was thinking of when Maggie Thatcher was unfairly called a Nazi for using the song at an event, I’m sure.)

    Gabriel Hanna (3d8e32)

  12. When judges or Boy Scout leaders ask you to raise your right hand it’s OK. But when Trump does it, suddenly it’s HITLER!!! Who says we can’t make spurious and emotional arguments like the left does? I’m not really a big Trump fan, but I’m less a fan of liberal logic.

    Bruce (baf98b)

  13. The problem I have is with the idea of extracting personal loyalty oaths from followers. Instead of asking for people’s votes, he ask them to swear fealty to vote.

    Random Numbers (d5cd81)

  14. “No one’s perfect, but he’s not Hitler.”

    – A.R.

    Nice. Put that on the side of his campaign bus, it’s about the only good thing you can say about the guy.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  15. AR, you come here and flood the thread with spam, and then you get mad that Trump has been criticized for, at minimum, a tone deaf demand that the citizens swear allegiance to Trump himself, like he’s our king.

    You also demand that we be nice to Trump because Cruz is civil to Trump. Is Trump civil in return? I think Trump has compared his opponents to child molesters, boasted about the size of his genitals, threatened to sue his opponents, slammed them for having the wrong heritage, threatened to sue them off the ballot if they beat him, and otherwise been the most childish sore loser in American political history. And we’re supposed to go easy on Trump?

    If Trump can’t take the heat, he needs to get out of the kitchen. I’m tired of the whining from the bully and the bully’s fawning admirers. This salute and swear crap was a huge gaffe, and in the general election these gaffes would actually be used effectively. Trump doesn’t have the skills to win when the press isn’t helping him.

    If you want a conservative who is tough under fire, rather than just tough on twitter, who can win in generals instead of just primaries, and who will keep his promises on immigration without being confused about that the KKK is and why it’s evil, then there is a great candidate in this race. This candidate has never been confused about whether he should send Gore’s legal team millions to sue to destroy military ballots because of the postmark. This candidate has never bragged about donating to the Clintons and other democrats for the access he needed to eminent domain Americans out of their homes at a third of the home’s value, to build a parking lot for a casino. This candidate has never built and empire of sleaze, bankrupted four times over. This candidate has not broken countless business deals, lost dozens of lawsuits from those he made promises to, and then conned Americans who sought an education.

    Sorry, but the time to go easy on Trump is long past. Your Alinsky style of campaigning under your own rules, where it’s great to be nasty if you’re Trump, but unacceptable to even offer frank commentary that is negative to Trump, comes across as dishonest to me.

    Gabriel, how long would it take you to distance yourself from David Duke and the KKK if you were running for president? Trump has brought these serious and real concerns on himself.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  16. I guess we need to change the oath witnesses in court take so we don’t invoke images of Nuremburg.

    Jim (a9b7c7)

  17. ok back to the real world for a minute shall we…

    yesterday:

    “Report: 31,000 Islamic State Women Pregnant with Jihadi Babies”

    “Firstly, children are a completely blank slate and so don’t have the cognitive abilities or the adult decision-making processes, so they can be manipulated because they are vulnerable to do all kinds of things,” said Malik. “The families play a key role in doing this as well. Mothers play a key role: they read story books on martyrdom to their children at night. The families are teaching them what is right and wrong. This purity angle is very interesting.”

    The Islamic State then enrolls these children, some as young as six, into training camps. One video, titled “School of Jihad,” shows children learning how to behead and torture “infidels” and handle weapons.

    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/03/07/report-31000-islamic-state-women-pregnant-with-jihadi-babies/

    THREE MONTHS AGO:

    “Trump: I Would Intentionally Kill Families To Defeat ISIS”

    Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump defended his proposal to kill the family members of ISIS terrorists on Tuesday, saying the policy would be warranted because family members “know what is going on” with their relatives.

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/15/3732671/trump-isis-kill-family-members/

    sound awake (4f316e)

  18. Yes, it is silly. Hitler, Mussolini and Genghis Khan were young and in command of their mental faculties. Moreover, they did not spend the first 69 years of their lives chasing money, women and notoriety with their first foray into politics in their second childhood. The White House is not a nursing home.

    nk (dbc370)

  19. Just talking about comparisons. Say what you want about Fascists (I mean it, say what you want), they are nationalistic, patriotic and revere the majesty of the state. Trumps’s loyalty is to his bank account, his penis, and his press clippings.

    nk (dbc370)

  20. A.R., are you gay? No, I don’t care. But from now on everybody can say “A.R. whose sexual orientation has been questioned ….”

    I was not referring to Trump becoming defensive about the size of his weenie at the debate. I was talking about him being a much worse pussy-hound, philanderer and adulterer than Bill Clinton could hope to be.

    nk (dbc370)

  21. could *ever* hope to be

    nk (dbc370)

  22. Mr. Trump is a good choice even if he sleeps with hot eurotrash hookers because he has the best policies and he’s very congenial.

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. Yes, it is silly. Hitler, Mussolini and Genghis Khan were young and in command of their mental faculties. Moreover, they did not spend the first 69 years of their lives chasing money, women and notoriety with their first foray into politics in their second childhood.

    and
    Trumps’s loyalty is to his bank account, his penis, and his press clippings.

    And if Hitler, et al (you left out Mao and Tamerlain…no respect) spent more of their lives chasing money, etc. and stayed out of politics, I think we’d all be much better off. As for

    I was talking about him being a much worse pussy-hound, philanderer and adulterer than Bill Clinton could hope to be.

    Really? “Much worse”? Please dish. Did trump ever physically assault a woman? Have there been accusations of such? Not defending his past actions, but 1) he’s not Hitler and now 2) he’s not Bill C. Whether he’s a joker, a smoker, or a midnight toker I can’t say but I’m pretty sure he’s not a walrus. Trump Derangement Syndrome runs both ways.

    WTP (5ea774)

  24. Nonsense. Each of those links is recent and substantive. Read them.

    A.R. (849759) — 3/8/2016 @ 8:06 am

    Naw, they were all Trump boosting, but the relation to the thread ends there. They were completely non-responsive and you added no commentary other than a headline. Only on your fourth comment did you bother to realize what the discussion was about. You mistakenly think your internet commenting is some kind of activism, but it isn’t going to help Trump to be annoying. Folks who read this post and then the comments probably were interested in the topic of the post, after all.

    “You also demand that we be nice to Trump”

    No. I didn’t say that.
    A.R. (849759)

    Cool, because there’s no reason to. He is running for president and already broken his campaign promises by flip flopping repeatedly. He would be an absolute disaster because he can’t even lead himself, let alone the government. His attitude towards veterans disgusts me and I do not respect him.

    We don’t need another left leaning fake. Our nation needs leadership that believes in itself, not TV cameras. It’s time to hit the brakes on government growth and the growth of an intrusive government, not elect Obama 2.0.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  25. WTP, Trump’s divorce included accusations I’d certainly call rape. I wasn’t there and I don’t really consider that stuff, but be careful before you assert Trump is better than Bill Clinton in his treatment of women. There’s really no reason to think so. He’s kinda nasty to women who stand up to him.

    But imagine what you’d say to me right now if I said I’d support Bill Clinton over Trump. Pause and consider how you’d then see me as an inauthentic conservative.

    Because no matter what excuses he gives us, Trump has supported Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid. Because he is inauthentic as a conservative to say the least.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  26. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-wife-ivana-disavows-rape-allegation/story?id=32732204

    Donald Trump’s first wife, Ivana Trump, said today that she is “the best of friends” with her ex-husband

    So same for BC’s gals?

    Please don’t imagine what I’d say or how I’d see you. You don’t know me. I don’t know you.

    Because no matter what excuses he gives us, Trump has supported Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid. Because he is inauthentic as a conservative to say the least.

    Agree. But he’s not Hitler. As for authentic conservatives, Rubio was one once. Rick Scott as well. Paul Ryan is now vilified. And don’t get me started on Sarah Palin. Some say Nixon was one as well. But none of that was ever my point. My point only being that he’s not Hitler, etc. Or as Bruce said above:

    When judges or Boy Scout leaders ask you to raise your right hand it’s OK. But when Trump does it, suddenly it’s HITLER!!! Who says we can’t make spurious and emotional arguments like the left does? I’m not really a big Trump fan, but I’m less a fan of liberal logic.

    I’m especially not a fan of liberal logic coming from people who call themselves “conservatives”…see above re Palin, Nixon, Rubio, etc. etc. etc….especially “authentic” ones.

    WTP (5ea774)

  27. Yes practicing Sutter is liberating, but will you have enough torches, I wonder, Steve moore does.

    narciso (732bc0)

  28. As for authentic conservatives, Rubio was one once. Rick Scott as well. Paul Ryan is now vilified. And don’t get me started on Sarah Palin. Some say Nixon was one as well. But none of that was ever my point. My point only being that he’s not Hitler, etc. Or as Bruce said above:

    Right!

    It’s very rare for someone to actually get elected and remain a conservative like they said they would. I suspect almost all of Cruz’s fans find this at the core of their support for him.

    Donald Trump’s first wife, Ivana Trump, said today that she is “the best of friends” with her ex-husband

    Like I said, I’m not all that interested in that one. I’m sure he made a good deal with her. What she said he did is an abomination, but like with Clinton we were not there. He oozes sleaze and built his empire with sleaze, but I’m more interested in his broken promises over years in business and his support for the very worst political leaders in American history.

    Please don’t imagine what I’d say or how I’d see you. You don’t know me. I don’t know you.

    OK, so you just fill in the blank. If I said I’d support Hillary over Trump, would you say this calls my conservatism into question? You really can’t, if you do support Trump, who has supported Hillary among even worse democrats.

    I haven’t seen a single person here accuse Trump of being Hitler. It’s more an accusation that he’s a terribly stupid politician. And that it’s contrary to American values to demand voters pledge allegiance to the politician, but just like Trump. Everything, from the first amendment on, is secondary to Trump. This is the sort of guy who starts a war to manage a news cycle. America can do better.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  29. Hearst that’s an interesting parallel, Fox I’ve noted is half Hearst populism/luce starched collar.

    narciso (732bc0)

  30. I wouldn’t call your conservatism into question, but I would question your judgement. HRC has shown herself to be dismissive of our national security laws if not down right criminal and mighty close to being traitor by her actions. Trump, for all his faults and yes they are legion, is not a traitor.

    I haven’t seen a single person here accuse Trump of being Hitler. No, no one has accused him of physically being Hitler. The point is comparing the front runner in the GOP primaries, one who is preferable, for all his faults, to what the D’s have, to Hitler in such a hysterical manner as described in various ways above (raising hands, etc.), plays into the hands of the D’s. As for he’s a terribly stupid politician, then why is he #WINNING? Again, plays right into the hands of the D’s. And especially, This is the sort of guy who starts a war to manage a news cycle. That is totally something dredged out of your own head. And a perfect D tactic. Trump Derangement Syndrome. Can we please let the D’s do their own dirty work? Same goes for Trump and his accusations against Cruz and even Rubio…Though the Jeb stuff I can’t help but admit I enjoyed…ok, and some of the rubes stuff as well.

    WTP (5ea774)

  31. Dennis Hopper is the only guy who could play the Donald. He could just recycle the character from Blue Velvet.

    felipe (b5e0f4) — 3/8/2016 @ 7:07 am

    I was in serious need of that laugh. Thanks.

    I feel a little Bobby Vinton coming on….
    “She ate Vel-VEEE-ta
    Softest cheese I’ve ever seen
    Queso dip so easily….”

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  32. He’s popular for a reason, guys.

    A.R. (849759) — 3/8/2016 @ 7:29 am

    So was Hitler.

    Hey, if I’m going to be painted with that unhinged label, I may as well be.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  33. I guess it’s more like donald pleasance’s character in escape from new york, there’s also aaron mcccune from time cop,

    narciso (732bc0)

  34. the vapors have left me mostly meh,

    http://www.scifiwright.com/2016/03/unimpressed-and-undecided/

    narciso (732bc0)

  35. He’s popular because of his talk about illegal immigration. And I don’t blame the people who believe him. Whom else are they going to believe over him? Republicans? They’ve been talking the talk for years and years but where’s the walk? Trump may be the opportunistic infection but the GOP is the acquired immune deficiency.

    nk (dbc370)

  36. He’s also popular cause of how he wants to make America great again in contrast with other candidates I won’t mention (poopers)

    happyfeet (831175)

  37. Dude, do you need some kind of intestinal help with this fixation of yours? I recommend less roughage in your diet. It’s probably all the Trump University foodtruck tacos.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  38. Dustin, I don’t think Trump is Hitler, but I think he’s practically indistinguishable from Bernie Maidoff. I think he’s evil, not just stupid.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  39. i need an orange drink and a nominee preferably Mr. The Donald

    this whole campaign thing is starting to drag on

    happyfeet (831175)

  40. well there are more creative analogies,

    http://thesphinxblog.com/2016/03/04/the-new-catiline/

    it doesn’t occur to them to put cruz as cicero,

    narciso (732bc0)

  41. indistinguishable from Bernie Maidoff

    Well at least that’s movement in a saner direction. Yet still…where is the crime? Why isn’t Trump under endictment? I don’t particularly care for some of his business dealings but I could say that about a number of businessmen and 99% of our present elected officials in DC, past ones as well. Most of them are not Bernie Madoff either.

    Cruz indistinguishable from Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Bakker.
    Rubio indistinguishable from Barney Fife or Henry Villechevez.

    WTP (094b61)

  42. Dustin, I don’t think Trump is Hitler, but I think he’s practically indistinguishable from Bernie Maidoff. I think he’s evil, not just stupid.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 3/8/2016 @ 5:06 pm

    I don’t believe he is either, Beldar. I’m looking at it from an historical light, though. Trump didn’t spend time in front line trenches distinguishing himself, didn’t start a putsch, didn’t serve time in prison for political activities, and he sure as hell hasn’t surrounded himself with sycophants like Himmler, Hess, Goering and Goebbels. With the perspective brought on by a fairly deep understanding of the man and his works, you have to come to the conclusion that Trump definitely does not equal Hitler.

    Having said all that, I really don’t care just how much A.R. wants to prop him up, spin his negatives, and ignore his megalomania. The man- Trump- is our version of Obama. Why 30%+ of the conservative side of the aisle thinks that’s a great look on them, I haven’t the faintest clue.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  43. Cruz indistinguishable from Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Bakker.

    OK. Now back it up. You tell us how Ted Cruz is indistinguishable from Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Bakker. You show me where he’s swindled people out of their life savings, preying on the fears of religious people.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  44. It was an exaggeration in line with the Madoff one, duh. You show me where Donald Trump has swindled people out of their life savings or subverted people’s faith in investing. I know several people who were significantly to severely harmed by Madoff, none who were harmed by Trump. But maybe they were just lucky that way.

    WTP (094b61)

  45. It was an exaggeration in line with the Madoff one, duh. You show me where Donald Trump has swindled people out of their life savings or subverted people’s faith in investing. I know several people who were significantly to severely harmed by Madoff, none who were harmed by Trump. But maybe they were just lucky that way.

    WTP (094b61) — 3/8/2016 @ 6:50 pm

    Aha! I get it now. You say something crappy, and when you’re called on it, you shrug your shoulders and say “I was only joking!”

    I didn’t ask you about that. Never said a word about Trump. You did though about Cruz. Trump’s swindles are there for everyone to see. I’m looking forward to the jury trial slated to start here in San Diego in July. You heard about, I’m sure. It’s the one about Trump University. You know, the one where he swindled his erstwhile students out of bucketloads of money in exchange for false promises.

    Hey, at least I don’t compare Trump to Hitler. That should make you happy.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  46. I looked at the picture.
    It doesn’t look like a **** salute.
    It looks like ‘raise your hand and swear’…’so help me God’.
    And contrary to the headline, it’s hands, not arms.

    Now, lest anyone misunderstand where I’m coming from as far as Trump goes:
    I am not, strictly speaking, a “Never Trump” voter:
    I would take Trump over Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, or Franco any day; in fact, if that were the choice, I’d try to vote the minute the polls opened.
    Fortunately for us and unfortunately for Trump, however…none of them are on the ballot.
    Against Sanders or Hillary, I *might* vote for Trump *if* I lived in a swing state.
    But I live in California, so if Trump (or Kasich) is the Republican nominee, I’ll vote American Independent for President.
    I cannot support the lesser of two evils if I will not thereby prevent the greater.
    If Cruz or Rubio is the nominee, it doesn’t matter how useless it seems:
    I can vote for them in clear conscience, so I *will* vote for them.

    (That comment about Kasich is not about him being ‘Establishment’. It’s about his answers on religious liberty.)

    Ibidem (f7be92)

  47. now. You say something crappy, and when you’re called on it, you shrug your shoulders and say “I was only joking!”

    FFS no. I was responding to the comparison of Trump to Madoff which itself is an exaggeration. Whatever you may think of Trump U, and I personally don’t think much based on what little I know, Trump U is no worse than and probably much better than 70% of our educational institutions. Hell, you would probably learn more there than Duke or Harvard. Certainly haven’t heard of anyone at Trump U getting falsely accused of rape and I doubt any money is wasted on PC classes there.

    Also note the comparison of Rubes to Barney Fife and Henry Villechevez. Thrown in there to make obvious joke. You Trump obsessed people need to sit down and take a few deep breaths.

    WTP (094b61)

  48. “Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public.”
    ― P.T. Barnum

    Luke Stywalker (33f010)

  49. Also note the comparison of Rubes to Barney Fife and Henry Villechevez. Thrown in there to make obvious joke. You Trump obsessed people need to sit down and take a few deep breaths.

    WTP (094b61) — 3/9/2016 @ 3:02 am

    You do understand that you are commenting on a site that does not agree with your Chosen One, no?

    That’s a nice piece of spin on your part:

    Whatever you may think of Trump U, and I personally don’t think much based on what little I know, Trump U is no worse than and probably much better than 70% of our educational institutions.

    Trump should be so proud to have you as one of his bots.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  50. Basically, you got caught out by a simple car electrician, WTF. Man up and own it.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  51. 57. …he sure as hell hasn’t surrounded himself with sycophants like Himmler, Hess, Goering and Goebbels. With the perspective brought on by a fairly deep understanding of the man and his works, you have to come to the conclusion that Trump definitely does not equal Hitler.

    Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/8/2016 @ 6:26 pm

    Now that’s going too far. The “hasn’t surrounded himself with sycophants” part.

    In that, I submit Bill, you underestimate Trump. I’ll bet if you look around Donald Trump you’ll find plenty of sycophants.

    They seem to be mostly lawyers. Who don’t mind losing as long as The Donald pays them.

    Steve57 (79ea4f)

  52. You do understand that you are commenting on a site that does not agree with your Chosen One, no?

    So differing opinions are not appreciated? Only anti-Trumpites need post? Quite a bit of projecting going on here. I did not vote for Trump and I am well aware of his faults. Of course, this is something you don’t want to hear. You anti-Trump people are so wrapped up in your position that any criticism of your going overboard in your criticisms (Hitler, Madoff) makes those who disagree with you part of some kind of cult. You need to get a grip on reality. Trump is far, far from the perfect candidate. But aside from little clones of ourselves, who is? This is something I’ve seen in the baby-boomer generation and their descendants. An infantile faith in their own great goodness. And I include Trump in this criticism. Get over yourselves. You “smart” people don’t know as much as you think you know.

    WTP (fd3093)

  53. Now that’s going too far. The “hasn’t surrounded himself with sycophants” part.

    In that, I submit Bill, you underestimate Trump. I’ll bet if you look around Donald Trump you’ll find plenty of sycophants.

    They seem to be mostly lawyers. Who don’t mind losing as long as The Donald pays them.

    Steve57 (79ea4f) — 3/10/2016 @ 1:41 am

    I’ll concede your point about sycophants, Steve. I just know what kind of genuinely awful men those four were. OTOH, it’s said that Hess, after hearing Hitler for the first time, ran home shouting “The man! The man!”. There are an awful lot of Trumpeters reacting similarly.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  54. So differing opinions are not appreciated? Only anti-Trumpites need post? Quite a bit of projecting going on here. I did not vote for Trump and I am well aware of his faults. Of course, this is something you don’t want to hear. You anti-Trump people are so wrapped up in your position that any criticism of your going overboard in your criticisms (Hitler, Madoff) makes those who disagree with you part of some kind of cult. You need to get a grip on reality. Trump is far, far from the perfect candidate. But aside from little clones of ourselves, who is? This is something I’ve seen in the baby-boomer generation and their descendants. An infantile faith in their own great goodness. And I include Trump in this criticism. Get over yourselves. You “smart” people don’t know as much as you think you know.

    Nope- did not say that. It was a notice to you that you should expect some grief for backing Trump. If you wish to back him, fine. But some honesty just as you said- you are aware of his faults- would be appreciated.

    WTF, I don’t expect perfection. I don’t expect a candidate will be in lock-step with me. I don’t expect to get 100% of all I seek in a President. However, I do expect him to support the law. I do expect him to support the Constitution. And I do expect him to not be the complete train wreck that Trump appears to be. We need a leader, not a loud-mouth. I want a President. We’ve already had 7+ years of a brash, law-ignoring, thin skinned narcissist who has done his level best to damage this country. I don’t need 4+ more.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  55. I don’t mind when things go from bad to worse but I get concerned when they don’t stop there. — Monroe D. Underwood

    nk (dbc370)

  56. BH…You people who are so damn steeped in politics really need to get out more. This is all I’ve said and all I’ve intended to say:
    Trump is not 1) Hitler, 2) Bill Clinton (though close-ish), nor 3) Bernie Madoff.

    Rants portraying him as such do little more than poison the well. If you don’t like the man, fine. Stick to reasonable and responsible points in attacking him. Or anyone, really. Obama included. When you attack someone in an obvious and overtly ridiculous and unfair manner, you do little to support your own position and often end up driving people in the other direction. At least in a free and open society anyway. Either way, you are wasting time and space that could be better used to advance your own position. But I’m guessing you’re really just one of those guys who always has to have the last word.

    WTP (8894aa)

  57. I just can’t imagine why people think Trump’s rise to power reminds them of Hitler. Who could possibly get the idea that he watches old Mussolini speech newsreels right before his press conferences?

    Luke Stywalker (33f010)

  58. Who could possibly get the idea that he watches old Mussolini speech newsreels right before his press conferences?

    Yes. Who could? Link? Or is it the tweet about living one day as a lion vs. 100 years as a sheep/lamb to which you refer that sent the Twitterites in an uproar? It’s a very old proverb. Older than Benito. Though because Benito said it, does that make it bad? I’m sure there are many military men who find this quote inspirational, would that make them fascists? Should we all start smoking because Hitler abstained? I thought political correctness was for leftists and douchebags. An idea or quote should stand on it’s own merits.

    And again, not a quote I personally believe but would not think less of someone for liking it. Again, get a grip.

    WTP (8894aa)


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