The John Oliver Bit on Trump
I saw it all over Facebook and Twitter and didn’t bother to watch. You know: another one of these ex-Daily Show guys. Parrots the usual liberal line (e.g. Net Neutrality) to a mindless crowd of millenials. And every headline screams “John Oliver DESTROYS Donald Trump” like all the lefty blogs used to trumpet every stupid Jon Stewart clip. Destroys destroys destroys. Why should I bother?
Then a homicide detective told me I needed to watch it, and that was the push I needed. It is, in fact, very entertaining — all 20 minutes of it. What’s more, it seems to be more careful about the facts, and more effective, than either Serious Media or Marco Rubio’s attacks have been. Worth your time.
My favorite line comes after he shows Trump advocating killing terrorists’ families — something that regular readers know appalled me when Trump first said it. Oliver says:
That is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination advocating a war crime. And he might say he was joking or he’s changed his mind about any of these things, and private individuals are allowed to change their minds—we all do it—but when he’s sworn in as president on January 20, 2017, on that day, his opinions are going to matter. And you will remember that date, because it’s the one that time travelers from the future will come back to to try and stop the whole thing from happening.
It’s amazing how facts can fix a stopped clock.
Eric in Hollywood (5ff8bf) — 3/3/2016 @ 7:58 amWhen elected, the world’s yugest deal-maker will brag how he fu*cked both his opponents and supporters right where they eat.
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 8:07 am#Make Donald Drumpf Again.
I’m in.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 8:13 amOliver have any issues with the criminality of Hillary Clinton or the cluelessness of Bernie Sanders? No?
Didn’t think so…
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 8:31 amJohnOliver. A British comedian known for his hard let commentary on U.S. culture dubbed “The John Oliver Effect”. He focused on net neutrality and advocated the FCC regulation of the internet. Since then worked for whistleblowers against businesses and statehood for DC citing two more “progressive” senators. He’s an “investigative reporter” according to the Peabody Awards but he thinks himself an acolyte of John Stewart. He specializes in “investigating” Republicans, free marketers, Christians and churches and his favorite target is conservatives. He never attacks a leftist, a liberal, a democrat or a minority. He endorsed OWS and BLM and repudiates the 1% in America as the proof that our system is corrupt.
Describing himself as a fallen Christian focusing on blue comedy, cringe comedy, political satire, sarcasm, American politics, civil rights, human sexuality race relations and religion. Declaring a specious net worth of only $3 million with an income over $2 million a year he “hates” the 1%.
Yeah, John Oliver. If I can’t get my anti-Trump hate from an anti-American hypocrite Brit who can I get it from?
I hate to point this out but so far the anti-Trump camp is composed of: Hillary!, Sanders, Obama, the rest of the socialist/democrat party, the Republican elitists like Romney and the Bushes, the GOPe, Sharpton, moslems, illegal aliens and people who want more illegal aliens, John Stewart, Bill Maher, Conan, Whoopi, the View, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, Planned Parenthood and John Oliver.
IOW, our enemies. The same people who will be ripping Cruz apart when he’s nominated. Just because you don’t like Trump stop sounding like the enemy.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 8:36 amI’m no more a fan of Oliver than I was of Jon Stewart. It irks me that his fans presume that he’s a super-witty and creative guy, brilliant and well-informed, when in fact he’s a comedian with a staff of writers. They’re pretty good comedy writers, and he, like Stewart, is quite often quite funny. I’d give this segment a B+, which is marked down simply because it’s so easy to lampoon Trump.
But he’s a comedian, and isn’t entitled to a bit more professional respect than that. He’s also an uncredited operative for the Democratic Party, exactly as was Jon Stewart. And I resent the fact that he pretends to be fair, as if he were pretending to be a journalist, because there are suckers who’ll buy into that. It’s mostly a different set of suckers than are buying into Trump, but it’s the same uncritical idiocy.
Thanks for posting the link, though, Patterico. I’m generally unwilling to wade through the 98% of tendentious Hard Left rhetoric on his show to get to the 2% I might enjoy, but this bit was indeed part of that 2%.
Hoagie & others who share my disgust for John Oliver, perhaps you might consider watching this as an undercover assignment, a research expedition to get the latest updates on how these sycophants will be attacking whoever the GOP nominates, but especially how they’ll be attacking Trump. You can always take a shower after watching it. But if you can’t stomach it — and I won’t blame anyone for that — don’t worry, you’re not missing anything essential.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/3/2016 @ 8:57 am“I hate to point this out but so far the anti-Trump camp is composed of: Hillary!, Sanders, Obama, the rest of the socialist/democrat party, the Republican elitists like Romney and the Bushes, the GOPe, Sharpton, moslems, illegal aliens and people who want more illegal aliens, John Stewart, Bill Maher, Conan, Whoopi, the View, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, Planned Parenthood and John Oliver.”
– Rev. Hoagie
You forgot to add “intelligent people.”
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:01 amAlso, you forgot to add “people that value the Constitution.”
And “people that think fascism is bad.”
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:06 amAllahu Akhbar, compadres!
nk, the Mexican Communist Muslim
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:10 amWhat did the Soviet Union do to hostage takers?
luagha (294005) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:16 amI figure the only reason oliver might have a quibble with obama, is he didn’t go left enough
http://gawker.com/john-oliver-on-ayn-rand-how-is-she-still-a-thing-1640270493
narciso (732bc0) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:17 amyes, interesting waters you are fishing in,
http://99ne.ws/rt_story/r_lgbt/watch-john-oliver-mocks-ted-cruzs-scotus/446a745565556e5835444e592b3968473538744477773d3d
narciso (732bc0) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:19 amLevidicus there are no “intelligent people”, “People that value the Constitution” or “People that think fascism is bad” on that list. And that’s the short list.
You really need to get your elitist head out of your a$$ because it is bigoted and narrow minded to believe any person who disagrees with you about Trump, or ay body else, is not intelligent and is a Constitution hating fascist. You can disagree with your fellow conservatives without name calling and disparaging their motives like a spoiled child.
nk, you are just so clever, so cutting edge. You should go on the John Stewart show with all the other know-it-alls.
Guys like you are part of the reason Republicans are going for Trump in droves. The more you ridicule your fellow Republicans the more supporters he gets.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:26 am‘the constitution is not a suicide pact’ these are the same people who howled over waterboarding, which we can’t do anymore because obama released the memos, so they have developed their own sere countermeasures, yet probably thought the drone campaign was ok, because we usually don’t see the collateral damage,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:30 amI know it’s OT, but I wanted to catch a still-early thread and thank everyone for their condolences. Greatly appreciated.
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:31 amRev Hoagie – it is questionable if I am intelligent, but I value the Constitution, and don’t like fascism, and would be on the list of those that do not support Trump.
JD (34f761) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:32 am@Leviticus and nk:“intelligent people”, “People that value the Constitution” or “People that think fascism is bad”
Some of those people are trying to tell us they’ll vote for Hillary over Trump if Trump gets the nomination. If they do that, they neither value the Constitution or think Fascism is bad. If they think they do, they are not intelligent.
No one knows what Trump will do. We all know exactly what Hillary will do.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:35 am“You really need to get your elitist head out of your a$$ because it is bigoted and narrow minded to believe any person who disagrees with you about Trump, or ay body else, is not intelligent and is a Constitution hating fascist. You can disagree with your fellow conservatives without name calling and disparaging their motives like a spoiled child.”
– Hoagie
When I see even one Trump supporter articulate his or her support of his or her candidate in an intelligent, non-bigoted, open-minded way, I will reconsider my willingness to paint Trump’s supporters with a broad brush.
I haven’t seen it yet, and I doubt I will. The closest anyone’s come is happyfeet, who supports the guy out of pure nihilism. I understand that, but I refuse to embrace it. I firmly believe that most of Trump’s success is a function of pure bigotry.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:37 am“No one knows what Trump will do. We all know exactly what Hillary will do.”
– Gabriel Hanna
Right. And then there’s that phrase about “better the devil you don’t know than the devil you do.” I am remembering that one correctly?
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:38 amAmerican enterprise always favors certainty over chaos, and Trump is chaos.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:39 am…he was never the builder for that project {13:28} [Why is Oliver talking about it?]
…bringing in Syrian refugees (15:50)[Oliver doesn’t support this outrageous statement]
Conflating white supremacists [as defined by whom? the Southern Poverty Law Center?] with endorsing capital letters KKK and the hair club for men.
I don’t give a flying fark what this guy has to say.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:39 amLeviticus,
I disagree. I think the Trump supporters’ menu is based on desperation and disgust with the way things are going, with a side of getting even.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:43 ambecause he’s a corbyn twit, a protege of stewart, which this board used to rightly denounced,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:44 amMay the blessings of the Prophet, Peace Be Unto Him, shine on your tamale patch, Comrade Gabriel. I have no intention of voting for Hillary over Trump. I will vote for neither. Some people here have said that they will vote for Trump over Hillary, but can you name someone who said he’d vote for Hillary over Trump?
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:49 am“I think the Trump supporters’ menu is based on desperation and disgust with the way things are going, with a side of getting even.”
– DRJ
Ted Cruz has aptly demonstrated an ability to serve those needs. What he has not demonstrated is any evidence of racial or religious bigotry. I think that isolates the variable pretty clearly.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:49 am@Leviticus:And then there’s that phrase about “better the devil you don’t know than the devil you do.” I am remembering that one correctly?
Wouldn’t matter if you were. For every adage, there is an equal and opposite one.
“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:53 am@nk:Some people here have said that they will vote for Trump over Hillary, but can you name someone who said he’d vote for Hillary over Trump?
Megan McArdle compiled a list. No way to know if any of them will go through with it.
I have no intention of voting for Hillary over Trump. I will vote for neither.
Academic for me. I live in Bernie Country. I can be as ideologically pure as I wish, knowing that my vote in the general will not matter.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:55 amI feel that way about Cruz, but Trump has made his points far more dramatically. He gets attention. It may not be about who has the best burger but who has the best ad campaign.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:57 amI have met several people who are Republicans that will vote for Hillary if the GOP nominee us Trump. It is surprising to me.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:58 am@Leviticus:What he has not demonstrated is any evidence of racial or religious bigotry.
News to the good people at Salon and their ilk. Whatever flaws the Donald has–and he has very, very many–there is no more evidence that he is racist or bigoted than there is for anyone who runs with an (R).
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:58 amIt’s true that the last Republican to carry Illinois was Bush 43 in 1988, but I would still call it comfortably pink instead of red, and hope is one of the principal virtues.
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:59 amIt’s true that the last Republican to carry Illinois was Bush 43 in 1988, but I would still call it comfortably rose instead of red, and hope is one of the principal virtues.
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:00 amThe killing terrorists’ children argument is the one charge that’s really unfair. Donald Trump was talking about not attempting to avoid it, but not about deliberately targeting them. The menstrual cycle was also possibly unfair as Donald Trump probably didn’t mean to do that, and it makes no sense. The disabled reporter charge – where he later denied known the reporter’s condition – was right but Mitt Romney should have explained that.
The most devastating thing that he mentioned, that really is the worst thing about Donald Trump, is his praise of Vladimir Putin. Mitt Romney called him a con man also, but it looks like Mott romney he only repeated what other people provided him, and their research was not thorough and they were looking also for cheap attacks. I won’t say cheap attacks don’t work – they may work with some people, but not any better than good ones, and the good ones affect more people.
Donald Trump claimed in one debate to have gotten to knwow Valdimir Putin very well, because they were on the same episode of 60 Minutes – but 60 Minutes does not do live interviews and does not have a green room. That’s like claiming to know someone because there were neighboring articles about them in a magazine like the Atlantic!
And Donald Trump also has a plaque at his gold course in Virginia commemorating a Civil War battle that never happened – paying homage to dead soldiers who never lived. That was done before thsi election campaign, so this is not something new for Donald Trump.
Donald Trump also (in 1990) seemed to like what the Chinese government did in 1989 in Tiananmen Square.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432043/donald-trumpdidn’t mean to do that, and it makes no sense. The disabled reporter charge – where he later denied known the reporter’s condition – was right but Mitt Romney should have explained that.
The most devastating thing that he mentioned, that really is the worst thing about Donald Trump, is his praise of Vladimir Putin. Mitt Romney called him a con man also, but it looks like Mott romney he only repeated what other people provided him, and their research was not thorough and they were looking also for cheap attacks. I won’t say cheap attacks don’t work – they may work with some people, but not any better than good ones, and the good ones affect more people.
Donald Trump claimed in one debate to have gotten to knwow Valdimir Putin very well, because they were on the same episode of 60 Minutes – but 60 Minutes does not do live interviews and does not have a green room. That’s like claiming to know someone because there were neighboring articles about them in a magazine like the Atlantic!
And Donald Trump also has a plaque at his gold course in Virginia commemorating a Civil War battle that never happened – paying homage to dead soldiers who never lived. That was done before thsi election campaign, so this is not something new for Donald Trump.
Donald Trump doesn’t seem to have normal human instincts. In 1990, he seemed to like what the Chinese government did in 1989 in Tiananmen Square.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432043/donald-trump-praised-tiananmen-square-massacre
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432036/donald-trump-tiananmen-square
He also thought Gorbachev was too weak. What, was he on the side of Russian dominating Eastern Europe?
He doesn’t like the Chinese government possibly manipulating their currency, and tolerance of North Korea’s atomic bomb program, but internal human rights are not a consideration for him. It’s all just America First and Only with him, or close to it, or that’s the rolewhat he seems to be trying to play. (not 100%)
Sammy Finkelman (9775b0) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:00 amLeviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:01 am
It’s not necessary.
They are already included in Hoagie’s category of “illegal aliens and people who want more illegal aliens.”
Sammy Finkelman (9775b0) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:03 amSigh. Got my colors mixed up. Illinois is not irredeemably Democrat. We have a Republican (snicker) governor and a Republican (tee-hee) Senator.
nk (dbc370) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:04 amDRJ, I’m not surprised at what you’re hearing about dismayed people who say they’d vote for Clinton over Trump.
I’m not one of them. I believe in the two-party system, and whether you believe it that or would rather see it replaced by some sort of parliamentary government (which I think would be a disaster in America), in the two-party system the only effective way to vote against the Democrat nominee is to vote for the Republican nominee. I will indeed vote against the Democrat nominee, whomever that is, and I won’t waste my vote on some third-party fantasy or make a protest vote that will matter only to myself.
But I recognize that many, many, many of my fellow conservatives cannot bring themselves to vote for Trump, period. My logic about the two-party system may make sense to them, but they won’t be able to overcome their revulsion — and I absolutely respect that. Without their many millions of votes, Trump would be crushed in a general election. It will make LBJ’s sweep of Goldwater in 1964 look like a school picnic by comparison.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:09 amSo you believe yourself to be “non-bigoted, open-minded” all while painting Trump supporters with a “a broad brush”. Really, Levidicus would you listen to yourself? Nothing could be less broad-mined or more bigoted that that.
“Pure bigotry? So there is no other reason ropelight or pepertiger or any of the millions and millions of Trump supporters could possibly endorse Trump without being a “pure” bigot? Can’t be they just like Trump? So I guess you’re offended and aghast at the ability of others to think independently of you and com up with a different conclusion. Wow! Youreally ar full of yourself.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:13 amMeh.
mark johnson (a71a16) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:17 amIts the usual liberal BS.
Then it is upon their heads the election of either a socialist, criminal grifter or geriatric commie lies. When the goin’ got tuff, they screwed us.
My rule is the same as William F. Buckley: Find the most conservative candidate and vote for him. That’s why I’m for Cruz but I’ll be damned if ether of those two leftist dogs will get my vote.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:21 amgoldwater was walloped by the top men of their day, rockefeller, scranton and lodge, it is conceivable that we might have avoided the major committment of forces to vietnam had he won, or failing that would actually have carried it to the rightful conclusion,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:26 amI have met several people who are Republicans that will vote for Hillary if the GOP nominee us Trump. It is surprising to me.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 9:58 am
Count me as one who positions “asshattery” well below “criminal” and “has displayed utter disregard and contempt for the laws and national security”, but that’s just me…
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:29 am36… Damn straight!
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:30 amStill waiting on that intelligent, non-bigoted, open-minded articulation of your support for Trump, Hoagie.
And if you say you’re not a Trump supporter, using Cruz as your beard, I’ll say “sweet. The challenge is not for you, then.”
And then I’ll wait, and wait, and wait.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:40 am@Leviticus:Still waiting on that intelligent, non-bigoted, open-minded articulation of your support for Trump, Hoagie.
My support is entirely conditioned on Trump being the eventual (R) nominee. Is this challenge for me?
If not, you should ask ropelight or papertiger or one of the others who wants Trump to be the (R) nominee instead of someone else.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:47 amWho has your support, Leviticus? Who do you support and why?
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:47 amI’d give this segment a B+, which is marked down simply because it’s so easy to lampoon Trump.
Is 20 minutes of reminding us that Trump is a mercurial buffoon really worth it? Serious question.
It irks me that his fans presume that he’s a super-witty and creative guy, brilliant and well-informed, when in fact he’s a comedian with a staff of writers.
The image is reinforced as he not only speaks to vaguely felt “cosmopolitan” stances and the attached bromides, he delivers them in Received Pronunciation. In a previous era, this might have been the province of Anglican deacon. Now it is that of poor man’s faculty lounge dilettante: “Lo, verily I say unto thy churlish and flap-mouthed colonials, I bring forth thy fruity pieties with verbal felicity and yowling complaint in the manner of Our Lord, Rupert Everett.”
He seems to have some sense of his role in this minor league deception, switching from sanctimonious, pseudo-progressive bantam (away team) on his show to self-deprecating English oddball in interviews. He presumably knows that Comedy Central is not really a big timer and he’s landed on his feet in what should really be a competitive medium, but isn’t.
I suppose what crisps my onions is that he doesn’t really seem to take shots at his “own side” (perhaps because he has never openly identified which way he clearly leans), even though, let’s face it, any stripe of sacred cow makes for pretty good hamburger.
Bill Bailey, as staunch a Labour supporter as you will find amongst British comedians, said memorably of the then-Labour leader Ed Miliband, “he’s a bit like one of those plastic shopping bags caught in a tree – no one knows how he got up there, and no one can be bothered to get him down.”
Can you imagine Oliver have a go at President Mom Jeans with a line like that? Venezuela Sanders would be in a safe place too. Ted Cruz? Eh.
But then, on the whole, Bill Bailey doesn’t really get in the polemical weeds. That seems to be Oliver’s shtick, for now.
JP (bd5dd9) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:49 am“My support is entirely conditioned on Trump being the eventual (R) nominee. Is this challenge for me?”
– Gabriel Hanna
That’s not support for Trump, so no, this challenge is not for you.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 10:52 amNo, Trump’s success isn’t a function of pure bigotry. There is an element, yes. But to paint everybody as a bigot simply because of their choice of candidate is precisely the same as the left painting us all as racists simply because we don’t agree with Obama.
The big reason Trump is so popular, like it or not is because we are angry. All of us. Trump found a way to speak to that in ~30% of us. Never mind his faults, which number as many if not more than our current President. Fact of the matter is, Trump, as it is now, is saying all the right things and either stymying or ticking off all the right people, and his base adores it.
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:05 ambtw, the way sorry for your loss, Bill H,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:06 amThanks, narciso.
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:12 am@Leviticus:no, this challenge is not for you.
Suppose I were to articulate the views of an intelligent, non-bigoted, open-minded Trump supporter as fairly as I could, would that meet your challenge?
Because that case goes like this:
The usual GOP pattern is to nominate a candidate who barely squeaks through the primary as acceptable to conservatives. This candidate, under relentless bogus attacks from the media, attempts to jump through all their hoops and then cheerfully loses, while campaign consultants who get paid no matter the outcome laugh all the way to the bank.
Is Trump the best possible alternative? No, but he at least represents AN alternative, and the evidence so far is that he is drawing a lot of support from people who are not Republicans and not conservatives.
Because Trump himself is neither of those things. He is a moderate, though an intemperate moderate. Because he is a moderate, and running against Hillary Clinton, and everyone in the country pretty much already knows who he is from having seen him weekly on TV for the last 12 years, he can effectively challenge her in the general election–and no other Republican candidate, at the moment, has ever been shown to be more likely to win than Hillary is.
Rubio is a freshman Senator who sold us out on immigration–which did nothing in the end to draw the Hispanic vote, so he’s not going to be able to win like Obama did, on nothing but hope and change, because the media won’t manufacture a halo for Rubio or even admit him to be Latino. Cruz has the same Latino problem Rubio has, and further has made enemies in his own party–senior party figures have already expressed a preference for Trump–and was relentlessly pilloried in the media for the government shutdown. It is likely that he is too conservative for the general election.
The same establishment that has been wrong so often is telling us Trump is wrong. So be it, but we will try it for once our way.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:14 amI support Cruz, but I don’t belittle other Republicans for their choice. I save my condescension and belittlement for the leftist pigs.
Here’s your Allahu Akbar, compadres!:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/07/0d/df/070ddfc5f8db31b0013a83cc77f09cee.jpg
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:16 amThis looked interesting.
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:31 amActually, Oliver, while left of center, is pretty serious as a journalist. His approach is similar to Stossel’s, in fact, heavy on investigative reporting. But while Stossel’s background was consumer reporting, Oliver’s is comedy.
JWB (acfedc) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:32 amwell his snowden interview was good, falls in the blind squirrel, finding a nut territory,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:34 amOn teh beach in Lahaina, Maui… all is well here… blue skies, warm water and no tiger sharks yet.
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:41 amTrump pencils out for me. I can afford him. —+++=== Make of it what you can, if you are able.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 11:50 amLooks like vietnam war draft dodger(he was on a mormon mission to the working girls of paris and the riviera) chicken hawk willard romney is upset! LOSER!
trumpman (b758c8) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:01 pmPerry has long surpassed Imdw for sockpuppets. He is disturbed.
JD (34f761) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:14 pmWhy is Romney a chickenhawk? Points off if you counter with Trump’s time at a military academy, which is NOT the same as military service.
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:15 pmYeah, if Romney were president you mean?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:19 pmI voted for Romney. What choice did I have?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:20 pm“Actually, Oliver, while left of center, is pretty serious as a journalist. His approach is similar to Stossel’s, in fact, heavy on investigative reporting.”
I used to listen to a trans-Atlantic podcast produced by The Times (that is, the actual, london paper) which had Oliver on the American side. It was originally quite funny but after a dozen episodes just turned into a Bush bashing exercise and I stopped listening.
scrubone (c3104f) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:21 pmBut speaking as a New Zealander, his take on our own politics has been quite funny at times. Partly thanks to him, the laser kiwi flag is now our unofficial comedy flag.
scrubone (c3104f) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:22 pmFetid, aromatic chunks of perryliciousness…
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:22 pmHere’s one of Rubio’s supporters (twitter).
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:22 pmA kiwi with frigging laser beams! That’s hard to top.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:25 pmMaybe you should compare tweets from Trump supporters.
JD (34f761) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:31 pmmarc caputo, used to be with my fishwrap, which smells of elderberries,
narciso (732bc0) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:34 pmAll the good things that will come America’s way when the Republicans once again take a dive: {null}.
DNF (755a85) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:41 pmThe more you squeal, the more popular he gets.
You want to talk stupid and unintelligent? Talk the Media and the Establishment GOP along with Doctrinaire Conservatives who are only making this more likely by the second.
Call Trump President revenge of the regular white people who are 60% of the Nation. Cuz that is what this is. Nixon would instantly recognize the playbook.
Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:42 pm68. The TEA Party had an opportunity. Opportunties, come, go away and do not return.
AL saw a number of incumbents primaried without success. So goes the nation. You ‘effed up, purist cuckolds.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:54 pmPapertiger – just curious, what evidence do you have that a WaPo writer is a Rubio supporter?
JD (34f761) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:54 pm“Call Trump President revenge of the regular white people who are 60% of the Nation. Cuz that is what this is.”
– Rodney King’s Spirit
Yeah. Believe me, we know that’s how you see him.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 12:56 pm71. Got a mouse in your pocket?
DNF (ffe548) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:01 pmJD No Good question. Glad you asked. Another tweet from Caputo.
The guy took Rubio’s part on Hannity.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:02 pmThat is a far cry from making him a supporter. I think you made that up.
JD (34f761) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:06 pmDRJ, at 22: I agree.
I was making the point to someone last night that I think for a fair number of Trump’s supporters, the fact that he’s a bully is part of his appeal; they feel like they have been oppressed beyond belief for decades, and Trump-the-bully (in their mind) will finally punish the people that have been oppressing them.
Of course, he’s a con man and won’t actually do what they think he will. Which is, ultimately, kinda tragic. And will be ugly, when they turn on him for that failure.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:07 pmHey Dingy Harry endorses Cruz for President.
Don’t know if he’ll be there for the campaign. He wasn’t there for his own.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:10 pmGabriel,
Cruz exposed these phonies for what they are, and he has made enemies as a result. But they are the right enemies within the Party. As narciso mentioned in #37, Goldwater angered the “top men of their day, rockefeller, scranton and lodge” and paid a price. But it was the Party’s failure that these men could exert such influence. Such mediocrities should never have achieved leadership positions.
In a competition, teams are often no better than their weakest link. We have ten or fifteen weak links in the “senior” Republican ranks. And too many newcomers, recently elected Congressmen and Congresswomen in particular, go along to get along. We are basically encumbered by a group of prospective pensioners, and they have contributed almost nothing to the Party’s recent successes.
So to get back to your critique, Cruz earned my support when he refused to knuckle under and submit to these silly men. Better yet, he offered some ideas that, with proper support from his colleagues, would have demonstrated a fighting spirit and might have ameliorated some of the problems that are shackling our country. And that would have negated much of Trump’s appeal.
BobStewartatHome (a52abe) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:11 pmIt’s not a far cry. It’s in the same ballpark. You can hear him over the peanut vendor.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:11 pmToo bad Cruz did not follow Patterico’ s lead sooner in disavowing Trump.
He might narrowly defeat Trump but he will still have to deal with Trump.
There is reams of text from the earlier debates of Cruz aligning himself with Trump that Hillary’s ad team will hang on Ted.
Ted made a deal with the devil and he waited to long to find the escape clause to win the general election–his chance for the Presidency is over.
His only hope now would be to get a seat on the Court of Appeals or the Supreme Court perhaps but his window of opportunity for that is also rapidly closing because he is losing friends in the Senate–and enemies will fill the Senate because Democrats will fill the vacancies as it stands now. Timing is everything.
Algonquin (76b104) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:14 pmhe waited *too* long
Algonquin (76b104) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:15 pmCruz has to pivot back to Trump or over to Rubio. In Trump’s speech he tried to give Cruz a chance to save face but he also did something demeaning to Cruz at the same time by stating how hard Cruz had to work to win his home state–the most conservative state possibly in the union , or possibly second to Oklahoma.
Algonquin (76b104) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:25 pmWhat is most amusing about the idleness played out here is that we have no candidate whatever who has prepared for the times, 2017-2020. An Eisenhower would have been handy.
Bonus, F-35 Lightening II gets some good press:
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-ive-learned-so-far-dogfighting-in-the-f-35-a-jsf-pilots-first-hand-account-2016-3
DNF (755a85) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:37 pmNO, the time capsule will need to back to 08. It has been the decade of BO that gives us Trump and Thank God Cruz. We are fighting Barack, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell… and the rest…
jrt for Cruz (bc7456) — 3/3/2016 @ 1:50 pm83. “We are fighting”, no, you are a circlejerk.
DNF (ffe548) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:01 pmThat’s funny, BobStewartatHome. Now Jeff Sessions is a phony? Geez, everbody is a phony in your world except, well, the left.
When you look around at all the people we are decrying Trump and using words like “bigot” and “fascist”, you see Hillary!, Sanders, Obama, the rest of the socialist/democrat party, the Republican elitists like Romney and the Bushes, the GOPe, Sharpton, moslems, illegal aliens and people who want more illegal aliens, John Stewart, Bill Maher, Conan, Whoopi, the View, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, Planned Parenthood and John Oliver. Squishy R’s like Romney, Paul Ryan, Jeb’s spokesman Tim Miller, McCain aide Salter, Meg Whitman, Glen Beck, and Karl Rove are all joining in, too. All the people who a few short months ago you were mocking and referring to as dangerous to America or worse, you now admire their wit and insight and praise their love of country. Some here even have professed they will vote for Hillary if Trump is the nominee. And yet you all still insist that you are the REAL conservatives. Bull scat. Look around you at all the people on your side. It isn’t conservative and it isn’t pro-American.
And the people you are yelling and screaming at with veins popping out of your neck and spittle spraying from your lips? An actual grass-roots movement that doesn’t give a tinker’s da** about the opinion of some lawyer from CA. Rock-ribbed conservatives like Jeff Sessions. A growing list of House members and governors. The more we are lectured by you in the style of the good SJWs that you are, the more we tune you out.
I actually started this conversation several weeks ago supporting Cruz. Go look it up. But I saw a usefulness to the Trump candidacy, and for that sin I have been castigated and accused of all manner of perfidy. Since then, I have come to the conclusion that if this is what the establishment GOP behaves like when they don’t get their way, screw you. You and your ilk have gave us Clinton AND Obama because you insisted we field candidates like Romney, McCain, and Dole. You’ve insisted we fall into lockstep behind feckless leadership that, once in DC, has voted for everything Obama has demanded. You’re done.
Trump may be turn out to be bad, but then again the exact same things were said about Reagan back in ’80. I’ll take my chances, because your track records sucks and your advice no longer carries weight.
If one were to only look at the articles here for the past few weeks, I doubt you could find any difference between them and moveon.org or msnbc.com or democraticunderground.com. That should be setting off alarms in your ears, but somehow you blithely go along, insisting that only by voting for Hillary can you save the conservative movement and America. You should all come out of the closet already and change your registration to D.
prowlerguy (3af7ff) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:01 pm> Some here even have professed they will vote for Hillary if Trump is the nominee
As far as I am aware, I’m the only person who has professed that, and of course I’m not a conservative. 🙂
What I *have* seen is people who will stay at home and not vote if Trump is the nominee, or who will vote for the constitution party or libertarian party candidates,instead of for Trump.
> The more we are lectured by you in the style of the good SJWs that you are, the more we tune you out.
Indeed! You have found your savior, and any criticism of him is proof of the worthlessness of the criticiser, rather than of the savior.
> If one were to only look at the articles here for the past few weeks, I doubt you could find any difference between them and moveon.org or msnbc.com or democraticunderground.com. That should be setting off alarms in your ears
Or perhaps it should be setting off alarms in *yours* – if a site which has been relentlessly critical of President Obama and which has been clearly a bastion of conservatism for almost a decade and a half is suddenly sounding like the left on the issue of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, then something is clearly very different, and it’s worth taking a look at.
Unless, of course, you’ve already decided that anyone who is against your guy is the enemy and has secretly been an enemy in sheep’s clothing all along. Which seems to be an accurate description of your view.
aphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:07 pmCruz’ only hope to land on the ticket is as VP.
DNF (755a85) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:10 pmMy point stands.
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:21 pmThat’s what I’m talking about, prowlerguy. Some of the guys here relentlessly beat up on a few guys who like Trump. They’re called bigots, ignorant, anti Constitution ergo anti American and fascists. These are fellow Republicans not some leftist scum deciding which commie to vote for next to destroy America. They are siding with all those you and I listed and many more who any other time would be “the enemy”, but now they are bed-buddies.
I’m beginning to think that if all these a-holes who I traditionally loathe and who have always been on opposite sides from me are suddenly very, very anti Trump then perhaps Trump IS the man. Seems like if you’re not for one of the Hispanic boys you’re a racist. Suddenly there’s a pall over anyone voting for the white guy.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:24 pm“I’m beginning to think that if all these a-holes who I traditionally loathe and who have always been on opposite sides from me are suddenly very, very anti Trump then perhaps Trump IS the man. Seems like if you’re not for one of the Hispanic boys you’re a racist. Suddenly there’s a pall over anyone voting for the white guy.”
– Hoagie
Aaaaand this is why I called Cruz your beard earlier.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:28 pmSorry aphrael, but once you’ve made your point the point has been made. The constant name calling and beating up on another Republican accomplishes only one thing: making people think you’re crazy. Especially when the guy you’re ripping apart is one of your own and voting for a guy on your party’s ticket. I’ve watched as leftists ruined fellow leftists because they didn’t tow the line but I never dreamed fellow Republicans would ever stoop that repugnant level.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:32 pmI don’t know what that’s supposed to mean. I don’t wear a beard I shave it. But you’re one of the perpetrators of the anti white guy bigotry. If ropelight or papertiger aren’t for the Hispanic guy then out come the racial slurs. I think they’re wrong but I wouldn’t be for Cruz just because he’s Hispanic and I want my street cred. I’m for him because I think he’s the most conservative person still running. If I thought for a minute Trump was more conservative than Cruz I’d be for Trump. Unlike you Levidicus, I don’t vote the race I vote the program.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:38 pmaphrael (e0cdc9) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:07 pm
I found your comment persuasive. I have noticed an unflattering transformation in some of the commenters. This happened during the last presidential go-round, but not to this extent. The fracturing of unity, on this sight, is the GOP in microcosm. But I’m only a LIV, so what do I know?
felipe (56556d) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:41 pm” The constant name calling and beating up on another Republican accomplishes only one thing: making people think you’re crazy.”
Yep.
felipe (56556d) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:44 pmfelipe (56556d) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:41 pm
Did I just channel Kasich?
felipe (56556d) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:46 pmPapertiger – a reporter quoting a campaign source now makes the reporter a supporter of the candidate. Gotcha.
JD (6194b9) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:46 pmaphrael 75,
If Trump backs out on his campaign promises as you and I think he will, his supporters will be disappointed but I don’t think he will care. I suspect he’s planned to shift to the middle from the beginning and the only people he wants to please are the New York elites.
I think of Trump as a New York version of DC’s Chief Justice John Roberts.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:52 pm“Aaaaand this is why I called Cruz your beard earlier.” – leviticvs
“I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean. I don’t wear a beard I shave it. But you’re one of the perpetrators of the anti white guy bigotry.” – Hoagie
What he’s saying, Hoagie, is that he thinks you’re ghey.
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:57 pmaphrael 86,
Does this remind you of when Hillary and Obama were running in the 2008 primary? My recollection is that race resulted in hard feelings on the left. I even remember some saying they could never vote for the other candidate if their choice lost.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 2:59 pmDRJ, when any politician backs out on his campaign promises as most of them do, their supporters are always disappointed (see Republicans for the last 40 years) and none of the politicians ever care. The only politicians that keep their promises are the radical leftists which is why we are here now. So you can believe if Hillary! or Sanders wins the border will remain wide open, illegals will continue to be given welfare, driver licenses, free education and health care and soon voting rights. Oh, and that million a year from Mexico most likely will be joined by a half million Middle Easterners. Together they comprise the next generation of solid democrat voters.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:04 pmIt’s not anybody’s race that’s the problem, we’re fighting against a permanent democrat majority.
Holy mackerel. So now I’m a gay? What the hell is wrong with you, Levidicus? Can’t you have any discussion with someone without calling them names? ( What gave me away?) I don’t get the beard thing though but I’ll ask around at the Club. The younger guys there will know.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:09 pmTed Cruz hasn’t backed out of the promises he made to Texans 4 years ago, so I’m grateful for tgat.
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:11 pmA beard is what they call a woman who dates a gay man in order to make it appear he’s not gay. It can also be used in other contexts as an analogy. I think Leviticus was using it as an analogy, as in “You are pretending to be with (support) Cruz, but you don’t really mean it.”
DRJ (15874d) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:15 pmLol
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:16 pmHas Leviticus expressed support for anyone, whichever side it may be? Just curious, as he seems to be quite active in his attempts to discern the motivation of a number of individuals. I’m curious to learn just who he finds worthy of his support.
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:22 pm“A beard is what they call a woman who dates a gay man in order to make it appear he’s not gay.”
It’s also what they call a man who dates a gay woman for the same purpose.
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:25 pmAg80/JD 2016. I feel I have been clear on this.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:26 pmThank you DRJ, now I understand. Real cute. Why would I pretend to support Cruz? I was originally for Walker and after he dropped out I went Fiorina and now Cruz. Like I said, I go for who ever I think is the most conservative. It does not mean if someone else endorses another candidate he’s a bigot, ignorant or a fascist. He’s just wrong.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:29 pmAlso: thank you, DRJ, for clarifying the concept of analogies for Colonel Haiku.
Leviticus (efada1) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:32 pmPlease, leviticvs, it was a joke… a little over your head, though. My question still stands… Who has your support?
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:40 pm@ prowlerguy (#), who wrote:
No, no, a thousand times no.
You can’t possibly equate a vulgar reality TV star who’s dragged the corporate empire handed to him by his rich daddy through bankruptcy four times with a two-term governor of California, long-time principled conservative speaker, and (before the Democratic Party left him) head of the Screen Actors’ Guild.
There is a profound resemblance, though, between what people said about Reagan in 1980 and what others are saying about Cruz today: “He’s too extreme.” “He won’t compromise.” “He’s too much of a cowboy.” “He can’t possibly do the big things he promises, he’ll have to back down.”
No one accused Ronald Reagan of defrauding them at Reagan U. Ronald Reagan never had to pay a $1M fine for using illegal immigrants to build Trump Tower. Ronald Reagan never shouted “P*USSY!” at a campaign rally. Ronald Reagan was never in favor of partial birth abortion. Ronald Reagan didn’t sue people at the drop of a hat or use lawyers to try to bully people. Ronald Reagan was not a crony capitalist who paid off politicians so he could use eminent domain to seize private homes so he could build a limousine parking lot for his casino whales.
That’s the most spectacularly inapt comparison I’ve read today.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:53 pmForgot to edit that to include the comment number from which I was quoting; it was #85.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/3/2016 @ 3:53 pmDidn’t think so…
In the heart of Albuquerque
Where the alligators roam
He’s a little lost lamb
He got no place to go
He ain’t got a nickel
Don’t got a shirt on his back
but if yer in a pickle
an’ it’s a lawyer ya lack
He’s lookin’ for a mark
in the heart of the city
Well he’s a standin’ in the street
Colonel Haiku (328795) — 3/3/2016 @ 4:37 pmand he’s lookin’ over there
Yeah he’s lookin’ for a skel
lookin’ lookin’ everywhere
Maybe he’s in with a chance
He hears a clickety clack
There’s a skel in a Ford
He sees him stop, check, turn and double back
He’s lookin’ for some meat
in the heart of the city
Maybe I’d take this clown’s opinion seriously if he hadn’t sdpent the last year’s calling every Republican a fascist.
SPQR (a3a747) — 3/3/2016 @ 5:21 pmBy the way, Romney’s speech today seems to have cribbed some details (Trump Meat, for example) from John Oliver’s piece.
Beldar (fa637a) — 3/3/2016 @ 5:26 pmLeviticus, what you have to acknowledge is that if you’re intelligent, anti-fascist, and pro-constitution you have to reject the entire Dem ticket, not just Trump.
Right now at the top of the ticket both parties offer an authoritarian leftist New York grifter, either one of which may just be running to pardon themselves on their first day in office.
I wouldn’t say there’s not a dime’s worth of difference, but that depends on whether or not you think there’s a difference between a sleazeball politician and a sleazeball businessman.
And then there’s throwback leftist rape fantasist Sanders, who honeymooned at Lenin’s tomb. And looks like he inhaled too many fumes from the embalming fluid. Raise your hand if you think children are starving in this country because we have too many damned brands of deodorants. None of which, I’m sure, Sanders uses.
He’s not even President yet and he’s already ignited diplomatic rows with Denmark and Sweden, both countries wanting us to know that they are not socialist and in return want to know what the geriatric Leninist is smoking.
http://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist
Methinks the old commie is confusing the Nordic model with the Venezuelan model, where the children must be living high on the hog as they don’t have too many brands of deodorant. In fact, they have no brands of deodorant. They have no brands of almost anything you can think of, such as toilet paper.
Fortunately they have the Bolivar, which used to be their national currency but is now so worthless it’s cheaper to use as toilet paper than actual toilet paper ever was.
It’s sort of axiomatic that if you’re 74 years old and still a socialist then you’ll never figure out how things work.
Steve57 (1ace39) — 3/3/2016 @ 5:54 pmMaybe I’d take this clown’s opinion seriously if he hadn’t sdpent the last year’s calling every Republican a fascist.
SPQR (a3a747) — 3/3/2016 @ 5:21 pm
Well over 100 posts in and we have a winner!
Colonel Haiku (55bd85) — 3/3/2016 @ 5:58 pmGood chance to show my fireproof foot skin.
I got it from Driscoll. His formulation – Allahpundit spots “War: Rubio staffer rips Sean Hannity, Hannity rips reporter.”
The reporter went out of his way to retweet the Marco staffer cussing Hannity, then retweeted his own to bring out the trifecta. All curse word food groups represented.
I call that support with passion.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 3/3/2016 @ 6:00 pm“Shock Poll: Donald Trump Earns More Muslim Support Than Rest of GOP Field Combined”
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)–an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror financing trial, and a designated terror organization in the United Arab Emirates–conducted a poll of 2000 Muslim voters throughout six Super Tuesday states. The results, released Wednesday, were surprising.
While Democrats Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) earned 46% and 25% support, respectively, Donald Trump has the support of 11% of Muslims, more than the rest of the GOP field combined.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) comes in second with 4%, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)vwins 2%, John Kasich just 1%.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/03/03/shock-poll-donald-trump-earns-more-muslim-support-than-rest-of-gop-field-combined/
just another demographic that trump wins decisively…no big deal right…nothing to see here…move along…
sound awake (4f316e) — 3/4/2016 @ 6:58 amaphreal @86:
My savior. See, that’s the sort of crap I’m talking about. I clearly stated that I supported Cruz, and I will vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. Not because any of them are my “savior”, but because I have seen what the Democrats offer and see that anything that allows them to retain the White House is unacceptable. And I don’t insult you or call you stupid, I simply point out that your hectoring and invective are not effective in changing my mind, because I’ve grown immune to such tactics from the left.
You know, this site is not the ultimate arbiter of what a conservative is. Neither are you. And while MSM, GOPe, and the full spectrum of the left aligns against one man, that would make me re-examine any negative thoughts I had about him. But for you, their voices give STRENGTH to your convictions regarding Trump. Now the NYT, LAT, and John Oliver (!?!) are trusted and well reasoned sources of political view, and should be accorded all respect? Hell no. And this site isn’t just sounding like those sources, it is indistinguishable from them and lavishing great praise upon them for their excellent reporting.
That’s not what I said, and the fact you would dishonestly misrepresent me is a sign that you are not making rational arguments against Trump. but rather emotional ones. I have declared no one my enemy here, I’ve only expressed my feelings on the candidates. For that I have been called a racist, a moron, a coward, anti-American, a traitor, and much worse. But I’m the one with the closed mind and enemies list. I don’t consider them wolves in sheep’s clothing. I just think they are wrong, and I think their ardor, while honest is counterproductive. They, like those who voted for Perot to “send a message” and gave us Clinton, see themselves as standing up for their principle, when all they are doing is setting up “no true Scotsman” arguments to give them a fig leaf to cling to. The truth is that there is an honest-to-God grassroots groundswell of the kind that many here have been calling for for years, but that movement didn’t coalesce around THEIR guy, and they are pissed as he** about it. So pissed that they will stick a finger in the eye of America so they can see it burn, all the while shifting blame to anyone but themselves.
prowlerguy (3af7ff) — 3/4/2016 @ 7:02 amBeldar @111:
That’s only because you apparently can’t understand simple English. I was comparing the reactions and soothsaying made by very earnest people who were convinced of their ideological purity, not comparing the men. In the case of Reagan, absolutely none of it ended up being true. But because it is YOU and the fellow rioters here who are spinning these wild tales of future calamity and fascism, we are supposed to swallow it whole and say “Thank you”? No thanks. When I look at the entire field of Republicans (even those who have already dropped out), I can’t see a single one of them that I would not prefer to see in the White House as compared to Hillary and Bernie. And that is, in fact, the choice we will be faced with. To have so many saying “My guy isn’t winning, so I’m going to do everything I can to see that Republicans lose the general election” is sad, and more than a little repugnant.
prowlerguy (3af7ff) — 3/4/2016 @ 7:12 amMy first (and second, to be honest) reaction was “Who the $%@^ is John Oliver?”
But I was never a big Daily Show fan. Too predictably smarmy.
mojo (a3d457) — 3/5/2016 @ 6:44 am