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2/21/2016

Marco Rubio Has Said Different Things About Amnesty in Spanish and English — Part Two

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 3:28 pm

I almost didn’t write this post, because Ace covers it so well here. But when I saw Rubio’s recent interview with Jake Tapper — once again falsely accusing Ted Cruz of lying when Cruz is telling the gospel truth — I became so outraged that I felt compelled to do my own post, which mostly amplifies the points Ace has already made . . . but is worth doing because it shows how deceptive Rubio is when he talks to Tapper.

Here is the Tapper video:

Here is a transcript of the relevant portion at 4:06:

TAPPER: On that subject, last night at the town hall, Senator Cruz had the following to say. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. TED CRUZ (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He went on Univision and in Spanish said that he would not rescind the president’s illegal executive amnesty on his first day in office. If I am elected president, on the first day in office, I intend to rescind every single illegal and unconstitutional executive action.

Now, in response to that, Marco followed the same strategy as Donald. He just screamed liar, liar, liar. He didn’t actually dispute any of the substance.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TAPPER: I want to give you an opportunity to respond, Senator.

RUBIO: Yes. Well, that’s not what Univision says. In fact, Univision has consistently reported. In fact right after that interview, Univision reported that I said that DACA has to go away and it will. I will on my first day in office get rid of it, because it’s unconstitutional.

I was against it when the president did it. I remain against it now. It cannot be a permanent policy and I’ve said that repeatedly.

And even Univision who conducted the interview said that after the interview, that the interview was about me saying that DACA was going to go away. So, again, another example of him misleading people.

So. You should be aware that, number one, the interview with Jake Tapper is the first time that Rubio has ever said he will get rid of DACA on Day One in office. Moreover, he said the exact opposite to Univision, in Spanish (transcript at Ace’s post):

JORGE RAMOS: As you know, it has always been hard for Republicans to get the Hispanic vote. I wanted to talk with you about very concrete issues that affect Hispanics directly. I would like to start with the issue of deferred action and DACA. If you made it to the White House, would you keep the DACA program; that is, Deferred Action for the Dreamers, and would you keep President Barack Obama’s executive action, which would benefit more than four million undocumented people?

RUBIO: Well, DACA is going to have to end at some point. I wouldn’t undo it immediately. The reason is that there are already people who have that permission, who are working, who are studying, and I don’t think it would be fair to cancel it suddenly.

But I do think it is going to have to end. And, God willing, it’s going to end because immigration reform is going to pass. DAPA hasn’t yet taken effect, and I think it has impeded progress on immigration, on immigration reform. And since that program hasn’t taken effect yet, I would cancel it. But DACA, I think it is important; it can’t be cancelled suddenly because there are already people who are benefiting from it. But it is going to have to end. It cannot be the permanent policy of the United States. And I don’t think that’s what they’re asking for, either. I think that everyone prefers immigration reform.

As Ace says:

So yes, he says it is going to have to end at some point — that’s the soundbite he makes sure English-speakers hear — but he doesn’t tell you he also said he would not terminate it right away because people are already “benefiting” from it and he “do[esn’t] think it would be fair” to take it from them. Then he says, the reason it will go away is because it will be replaced by comprehensive immigration reform, that is, a legislative amnesty instead of an executive-order one.

Si Dio quieres. If God wants/God Willing.

So yeah, Rubio says one thing for English speaking Republicans, but says something different for Spanish speakers.

In English, he only talks about border security and DACA “ending.” In Spanish, he says it will have to end at some point to be determined, and also says that won’t matter much anyway, because we’ll have a permanent legislative amnesty in place by then. (He also speaks of it ending in the third person — he won’t end it. It will just “end” itself, somehow. If we’re doing a close parsing.)

So. In English, Rubio says it is “another example of him [Cruz] misleading people” when Cruz says: “He [Rubio] went on Univision and in Spanish said that he would not rescind the president’s illegal executive amnesty on his first day in office.” Yet in Spanish, Rubio tells Univision: “I wouldn’t undo it immediately.”

Rubio does indeed say different things about amnesty in Spanish than he says in English. And he lies about it. And when he says Cruz is lying, Rubio is lying again.

Marco Rubio will say or do almost anything to become President.

P.S. I have a page for the “microparsing horseshit” (to use Ace’s memorable phrase) that the Rubiobots will engage in, here. Rubiobots be warned: don’t you dare claim I didn’t address your argument without first reading the linked page.

65 Responses to “Marco Rubio Has Said Different Things About Amnesty in Spanish and English — Part Two”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  2. Jorge Ramos can suck my carajo…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  3. Teh little prick anyway…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  4. pathetic little squib

    happyfeet (831175)

  5. Arafat al-Amriki.

    Zimriel (50c7db)

  6. “Marco Rubio will say or do almost anything to become President.”

    Except take on Donald Trump.

    MoxieMom (72fc76)

  7. Rubio/Merkel 2016

    mg (31009b)

  8. I agree that Cruz told the truth. Rubio, Trump (and even Carson) seem to have decided to keep yelling, “Liar” and hope no one looks at anything.

    Patterico: just an editorial note. In the detailed companion piece, you wrote “consistently contrasts DACA, which he “would revoke,” with DAPA, which”, and I think you mean DAPA in the first place and DACA in the second.

    Sue (e5e6f1)

  9. Watch Rubio hire Mike Murphy.

    mg (31009b)

  10. Assuming that this is a correct translation, he is indeed telling different things to different audiences on this subject. And I believe he probably doesn’t intend on getting rid of DACA on his first day in office.

    Which brings up, so what?

    DO you think this means that on Day Two of the Cruz Presidency armed men surround all the campuses and frogmarch all the well-documented dreamers down to Mexico? Do they have to go into hiding? Is one dime of public money going to stop? I’d be betting NO on all of these.

    What happens in any case under Cruz or Rubio or even some saner choice of Trumps is this:

    1. The border patrol is told NO MAS on illegals over the border and to use all necessary means.
    2. The MExican government is similarly advised, with varying degrees of emphasis.
    3. The wall/barrier is built in a big hurry.
    4. All illegals are told that, to have ANY chance of staying AT ALL, they must go down to the post office and register their current correct address and be fingerprinted by date X.
    5. Meanwhile, discussions start about who can stay and what it will cost them.
    6. Some law gets passed. Rubio will probably be more generous than Cruz. Trump might do anything.
    7. Some stay, some go home.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  11. Watch Rubio hire Mike Murphy.

    Kiss of death. What was the last campaign he won? Pete Wilson?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  12. Did Pete Wilson have an opponent?

    mg (31009b)

  13. I think it was schwartzenegger, the first time around, like dr. evil, steve schmidt,

    narciso (732bc0)

  14. So what, Kevin? He then comes back and accuses Cruz of lying when Cruz is objectively stating the truth. The media doesn’t bother to point out that Rubio is telling different stories to different people. This is precisely why he will not get out from under the yoke of the Gang of 8.

    JD (34f761)

  15. Something should be interpreted in such a way so that all a person’s statements are consistent – and what’s more, that seems to be the obvious meaning.

    This is all perfectly understandable.

    Rubio will not take away any papers from anyone who has been given them by Barack Obama. He;s now saying, which maybe wasn’t 100% clear – and he did not day that in Spanish – that he will not accept any new applications after he is inaugurated. That probably should not be taken as
    meaning that everything will stop abruptly. Applications in the works may still be processed. Rubio knows there should not be too many of them, because DACA had a cutoff date which hasn’t moved. He may issue some executive order on January 21, 2017 that phases out the issuance of new papers under DACA over the course of a few months. There will various deadlines for applicatons still in various stages of processing.

    Theer are two kinds of endings, by the way – an end to the issuance of new paperrs, and an end to the value of any papers that have been issued under DACA. Marco Rubio will only end the first shoertly after he is inaugurated.

    On the other hand, DAPA, which has not yet gone into effect because it has been stayed, will be cancelled (unless this will be unstayed before next January 20)

    Furthermore, Marco Rubio hopes, all the people who benefitted from DACA will benefit from some new piece of legislation. At some point these papers will become worthless but also irrelevant.

    Ted Cruz does not want to be all that clear, either, because he is not saying loud and clear that he wants all deferrals of deportation under DACA to be revoked. He won’t want to be clear – it would lose him votes, and states.

    Marco Rubio is against revoking anything, but Ted Cruz is not saying that he is. He only trying to imply that he is.

    Sammy Finkelman (882d94)

  16. Meg Whitman pulled the same crap with her billboards in CA. She is not a Senator today. Why should Rubio get the WH?

    richard mcenroe (308bdd)

  17. yes, that was mike murphy’s last crash n burn project, 150 million (dr. evil pinky wave)

    narciso (732bc0)

  18. I’ll just say similar to what I have said before,
    Recently I have seen Rubio focus on saying to the effect “Cruz is making stuff up and lying every day”, and today “even some of his own staff in IL are thinking of resigning over it”

    Sen. Rubio, you may end up winning the Repubs that way, but you will lose the election,
    You are not winning points for yourself, just putting in some doubt about Cruz (to some) and giving the rest of us a bad taste in our mouths.

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  19. They could be more generous in their criticisms of each other and clarifying in tone rather than dogmatic.

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  20. Hey, Pete Wilson was a good Senator and a good Governor. And he beat Dianne Feinstein in 1990. Nobody else has done that.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  21. Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/21/2016 @ 4:48 pm

    And I believe he [Marco Rubio] probably doesn’t intend on getting rid of DACA on his first day in office.

    It depends on the meaning of the word “cancelaro”

    In his Univision interview, Marco Rubio uses two different words: “Cancelarlo” and “terminar”, or at Univision’s English trandaltion has it: “cancel” and “end” Cancel means to revole any papers, and end means to revoke the program. Rubio was saying before he would not cancel/revoke anything suddenly, but at some point he’s going to end the program. Now he’s saying, I think, that he’ll do that right away. He is not saying, and never has said, taht he will cancel out anything that has been done under it.

    So, no. He will get rid of DACA, but not invalidate the papers issued under it. Issuance of new papers will at least be set to phase out on his first or second day in office. Should implemetation of DAPA actually begin prior to January 20, 2017, all applications already in processing wll be allowed to proceed.

    By the way, I think all papers issued under DACA already have an expiration date. This is a motivation for Hispanics to vote Democrat.

    DO you think this means that on Day Two of the Cruz Presidency armed men surround all the campuses and frogmarch all the well-documented dreamers down to Mexico? Do they have to go into hiding? Is one dime of public money going to stop? I’d be betting NO on all of these.

    No also even on the revocation of Social Security cards and other documents, because it would be
    impossible for any employer to distinguish between what is valid and what is no longer valiud.

    What happens in any case under Cruz or Rubio or even some saner choice of Trumps is this:

    1. The border patrol is told NO MAS on illegals over the border and to use all necessary means.

    This is exactly Barack Obama’s policy.

    2. The MExican government is similarly advised, with varying degrees of emphasis.

    This is also Barack Obama’s policy.

    3. The wall/barrier is built in a big hurry.

    It won’t happen. Where’s the money going to come from? And what about environmental impact statements, and lawsuits? Unless the arrier is built on the Mexican side of the border, of course.

    4. All illegals are told that, to have ANY chance of staying AT ALL, they must go down to the post office and register their current correct address and be fingerprinted by date X.

    I seriously doubt that even Donald Trump would try that.

    5. Meanwhile, discussions start about who can stay and what it will cost them.

    Hey! That’s amnesty!!

    6. Some law gets passed. Rubio will probably be more generous than Cruz. Trump might do anything.

    Democrats will filibuster anything too punitive. The only thing that can pass is something that has a ratio of at least 5-1 of people benefitting versus people losing.

    7. Some stay, some go home.

    Some stay legally, the rest stay illegally, a few drift back to their old countries, and some move to other, more friendly, states.

    Sammy Finkelman (882d94)

  22. Hey, Pete Wilson was a good Senator and a good Governor. And he beat Dianne Feinstein in 1990. Nobody else has done that.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/21/2016 @ 5:28 pm

    He wasn’t a bad Mayor, either.

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  23. As I said, Cruz and Rubio should stop fighting because on the issues they are like Baptists and Methodists — from the outside looking in it looks a lot alike. Compare either of them to Trump. Or Kasich. They only diminish themselves.

    This is like two cornerbacks blocking each other for the honor of tackling the guy on his way for a touchdown. Pretty damn stupid.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  24. Yes, and he tried to pass Prop 187, and stop California from becoming 40% Hispanic. Didn’t work. Oh, wait it did, 59-41. But the federal courts didn’t let it happen. I bet Donald Trump was against it, too.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  25. this had been the highlander primary cycle, I guess last time was as well,

    wilson was certainly proillegal, yet he took a flyer endorsing prop 187, and then the lawfare took over,

    narciso (732bc0)

  26. this is why Rubio & Jeb! are/were the GOPe favorites…

    and also why Trump is so YUGE, even here in #Failifornia

    redc1c4 (871a0a)

  27. No howling Rubio fans.

    In Marko’s defense he was very uncomfortable sitting on a stage across from Ramos, suggesting he was deliberating inside, not a practiced speech in Spanish.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  28. This anti-Rubio stuff is over the top.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  29. When Rubio comes in, he will institute amnesty, and won’t build a fence (using the easily shut down or countermanded “smart” fence instead). And in 30 more years, the rest of the US will be like California, with record unemployment, massive poverty, and a far left government that is bordering on tyranny.

    Don’t say you weren’t warned.

    Cruz. Then Trump. Never that lying SOB Rubio.

    Nick (e57d1b)

  30. Are there Rubiobots? There are I am sure people soulless and dead inside who might be Rubiobots you’d think then there’d have been Jebbots and I never saw any of those.

    Gabriel Hanna (3d8e32)

  31. Gerald A, yes, this anti-Rubio stuff is kind of over-the-top. We keep hearing about sightings of “Rubiobots,” but they don’t seem to actually exist. It’s like the Loch Ness Monster. Or Bigfoot.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  32. I like Rubio. I think he’s a terrific speaker and I agree with him more than 70% of the time. He would probably not surprise me a lot. I like Cruz too and could say the same things about him. I don’t care which of them wins, so long as it isn’t Trump.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  33. Lubio had arally in TN today…..hmmmmm……US TN Senator Bob Corker is a huge pro-amnesty guy and Alexander is a RINO… looks like Lubes’ is going to get 2 more high profile endorsements. Lubio is truly the establishment guy.

    jb (8a9f1d)

  34. After the Univision interview, Rubio said this in November 2015: “DACA is going to end and the ideal way for it to end is that it’s replaced by a reform system that creates an alternative….But if it doesn’t, it will end. It cannot be the permanent policy of the United States.”

    In February 2016: “I said that DACA has to go away and that it will….I will on my first day in office get rid of it because it’s unconstitutional.”

    So, if he’s shifted, he’s shifted toward the Cruz-Patterico position, right?

    If he cannot get a reform system on day one, then he’ll cancel DACA on day one. Seems clear to me! Rubio and Cruz need to stop tearing each other down. The only way they can stop Trump is cooperation. And even then it would be very difficult.

    Andrew (b12b60)

  35. Before seeing that clip, if you had asked me what I thought of Rubio I’d have said that he was a pretty good guy who had unfortunately proven that he could not be trusted on immigration. After seeing him trying to carry out what has to be a deliberate and planned strategy to character-assassinate his opponent, I no longer have any respect for him at all.

    Marco, you are dead to me.

    Cugel (87e100)

  36. Black Marigolds
    by E. Powys Mathers
    [1919

    11th century
    A free interpretation of the Chauraspanchas
    ika

    Even now
    My thought is all of this gold-tinted king’s daughter
    With garlands tissue and golden buds,
    Smoke tangles of her hair, and sleeping or waking
    Feet trembling in love, full of pale languor;
    My thought is clinging as to a lost learning
    Slipped down out of the minds of men,
    Labouring to bring her back into my soul.

    Even now
    If I see in my soul the citron-breasted fair one
    Still gold-tinted, her face like our night stars,
    Drawing unto her; her body beaten about with flame,
    Wounded by the flaring spear of love,
    My first of all by reason of her fresh years,
    Then is my heart buried alive in snow.

    Even now
    If my girl with lotus eyes came to me again
    Weary with the dear weight of young love,
    Again I would give her to these starved twins of arms
    And from her mouth drink down the heavy wine,
    As a reeling pirate bee in fluttered ease
    Steals up the honey from the nenuphar.

    Even now
    I bring her back, ah, wearied out with love
    So that her slim feet could not bear her up;
    Curved falls of her hair down on her white cheeks;
    In the confusion of her coloured vests
    Speaking that guarded giving up, and her scented arms
    Lay like cool bindweed over against my neck.

    Even now
    I bring her back to me in her quick shame,
    Hiding her bright face at the point of day;
    Making her grave eyes move in watered stars,
    For love’s great sleeplessness wandering all night,
    Seeming to sail gently, as that pink bird,
    Down the water of love in a harvest of lotus… ]

    Steve57 (b30def)

  37. Even now, every horse I have will be named Friday.

    Because, thank God it’s Friday.

    Steve57 (b30def)

  38. Regarding Rubio having different stances depending on which language he’s speaking, that’s hardly surprising. He’s quite willing to state any position he thinks will help him, because his promises only apply until the day after the election (just ask the people who voted for him in the Florida senate race, during which he repeatedly promised that as a senator he’d oppose amnesty).

    Then, of course, came the Gang of 8 bill. Rubio didn’t just support it, he co-authored it. He then pushed for, and succeeded, in getting it passed by the senate.

    Let’s also not forget Rubio’s recent (2015) votes, such as against the amendment to block Obama’s Syrian refugees (by cutting the funding). Once again, his actual record contradicts his words.

    Then again, with a record like his (such as backing Hillary/Obama’s war on Libya and Arab Spring disasters) it makes sense that he dissembles.

    It’s hardly surprising to see Rubio emulating Yasar Araft in saying one thing in one language and something very different in another. Given his long record of dissembling, it’d be surprising if he didn’t.

    Why not pick somebody else – anybody else – in the primaries?

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  39. I don’t trust Rubio at all. He ran as a strong anti-amnesty candidate for Senate, then joined Go8. Now — again a *candidate* for office — he’s trying to sell himself as anti-amnesty again. And I’m supposed to just *trust* that he’ll not sell out if elected POTUS? He is simply not to be trusted. Fool me once, yadda yadda yadda…

    holygoat (d2b154)

  40. Sue,

    Thanks for the note, which I just saw. I fixed the error on the linked page.

    Cugel,

    Exactly.

    Gerald A and Cruz Supporter,

    Try going on Twitter and you’ll find the Rubiobots. They are the ones constantly saying Cruz is a giant liar and pushing the narrative that he can’t be trusted. They are very annoying, but it’s Rubio himself who alienated me, not his horde of irritating followers.

    Patterico (c3ae4b)

  41. Rubio/Feinstein 2016

    mg (31009b)

  42. Rubio/The devil/ 2016
    gop crapola

    mg (31009b)

  43. Rubio/ illegal migrant 2016
    team republicans idiotic choice.

    mg (31009b)

  44. yes yes jebbio bushfilth spawned the trump campaign

    This is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis.

    happyfeet (831175)

  45. Isn’t there anything wrong with the world that is not a Bush’s fault?

    nk (dbc370)

  46. Actually, Bayer is to blame for Trump. If only Mary Anne Trump had had a headache that fateful night in September 1945.

    nk (dbc370)

  47. the bush klan’s slunk away in humiliation and it carries much of its culpability off the stage with it i think

    people are already feeling more empowered and less compelled to find scapegoats

    they just needed to know that these execrable noble houses of failmerican politics can indeed be vanquished and repudiated

    happyfeet (831175)

  48. Gerald A, yes, this anti-Rubio stuff is kind of over-the-top. We keep hearing about sightings of “Rubiobots,” but they don’t seem to actually exist. It’s like the Loch Ness Monster. Or Bigfoot.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/21/2016 @ 8:13 pm

    I was channeling some other bots.

    Gerald A (427ce5)

  49. #39, Patterico reports that Rubio fans are behaving badly on Twitter, constantly saying Cruz a liar and pushing the narrative he can’t be trusted.

    Which sounds just like the way Cruz supporters attack Trump here every day.

    ropelight (97ef16)

  50. Si Dio quieres. If God wants/God Willing.

    Like fingernails on a chalkboard, this is. God wants us all to use correct grammar, Ace.

    In that interview, Rubio sounds like a politician. DACA will end at the point in which it ends.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  51. If you love Dio? Who is Dio?

    nk (dbc370)

  52. Yeah, Ace is good at French but new to Spanish.

    Patterico (c3ae4b)

  53. I think he meant Ronnie James Dio.

    Patterico (c3ae4b)

  54. Ropelight, Trump is a proven liar. Rubio is a proven liar. And when Cruz tells the truth, Trump and Rubio accuse Cruz of lying. Because Trump and Rubio are proven liars.

    John Hitchcock (d0f765)

  55. My conundrum is this:

    Cruz comes closest to having my policies and my priorities, but I believe he cannot be elected in 2016. This, due to a mix of factors, some fair perhaps (“too conservative” to many voters, rough campaigning), some unfair (call it (lack of) charisma to non-conservative voters, that voice, that sense that he’s the kid who was always “breaking the curve” by acing the tests).

    Rubio is guilty of the forked-tongue sins as charged in these two posts. He is. I also think he’s pretty darned conservative on non-amnesty issues, other than sugar whoring (but remember, even William Proxmire supported dairy subsidies), and that he wouldn’t DARE push for amnesty as president … until a second term, anyway. His skills as a policy wonk on foreign policy and ability to break them down simply and appealingly are very good.

    Applying The Buckley Rule, I think Rubio is the most conservative candidate who can be elected.

    Mitch (bfd5cd)

  56. RIP Ronnie James Dio. I’ll pour out a little Kale juice for him this morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q5S10dCHaE

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  57. Patterico reports that Rubio fans are behaving badly on Twitter, constantly saying Cruz a liar and pushing the narrative he can’t be trusted.

    Which sounds just like the way Cruz supporters attack Trump here every day.

    ropelight (97ef16) — 2/22/2016 @ 6:21 am

    Which logically proves what?

    Gerald A (427ce5)

  58. Mitch gives the honest Rubio supporter viewpoint. I think he’s basically right. Rubio has a conservative record aside from a couple of areas, to include the huge dishonesty with amnesty. But Mitch is taking the best he can. I disagree with him, but appreciate the explanation.

    Andrew, look at Mitch’s comment. That’s how to address a wart. You own up to it and explain things despite it. Those of us who think Rubio is a liar are not warmed by this sophistry thing where we are contorted to see how a lie really isn’t dishonest, per say, depending on the meaning of ‘is’. Rubio looks the part of the liar the way John Edwards does. He thinks he can get away with it. It’s no surprise he’s so early in his career. Over time, this will catch up with him.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  59. Gerald, it proves the shoe fits.

    ropelight (97ef16)

  60. i’d forgotten that William Proxmire supported dairy subsidies

    happyfeet (831175)

  61. Gerald, it proves the shoe fits.

    ropelight (97ef16) — 2/22/2016 @ 7:28 am

    It proves the shoe fits when Cruz supporters attack Trump here every day?

    Gerald A (86f35d)

  62. As long as people keep pushing the he’s ‘unelectable’ label on Cruz, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work in the other direction. Saying he’s the most electable has never given us a winner. Ask President Romney.

    “Vote for Rubio. He needs a job.”

    Abby Normal (3ff06c)

  63. Here’s the difference, re- Rick Tyler:

    Cruz “…asked for his resignation.” With Trump, he’d simply say: “YOU’RE FIRED!”

    Cruza is a looza.

    DCSCA (a343d5)


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