Political News: Buying Loyalty; Ted Cruz Best “If Conservatism Is Your Bag”
Jeb Bush yesterday explained that he rooted for the Broncos because Peyton Manning gave him a check:
Presidential candidate Jeb Bush said he supported the Denver Broncos over the Carolina Panthers in Sunday’s Super Bowl because he got a campaign contribution from Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning.
Bush, the former governor of Florida, explained his pick Wednesday during a campaign stop in Mount Pleasant, S.C.
“I know that y’all probably maybe had some leanings toward Carolina,” Bush told the crowd. “I was for Denver, not because of the Broncos, but because Peyton Manning wrote me a check.”
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Federal campaign finance records show Bush received a $2,700 contribution from Manning last August.
Video:
Everything is for sale: big, huge, small, or even petty.
In other political news, Rush Limbaugh said yesterday that Ted Cruz is the clear choice . . . “[i]f conservatism is your bag.” If your “bag” is someone who is proud to speak in public in a manner you wouldn’t want your children to hear, and pledges to throw out or keep out all the dark-skinned people . . . then you might be a Donald Trump fan. But don’t worry:
Donald Trump asked tonight about his language –"I will be changing very rapidly. I'm capable of changing to anything I want to change to"
— Bret Baier (@BretBaier) February 11, 2016
Hey, by the way, someone found the audio of Mark Levin citing this Web site for the proposition that Ted Cruz was talking about a wall years before Trump announced his candidacy. I figured I’d embed it for posterity:
Patter-ICK-o. Um, Pat-TERR-ico.
I think Levin remembers me, since he launched a series of Facebook tirades against me a few years ago after I called him out on something or another. But hey. He’s fighting the good fight now, and it’s good to get the message out, whether it be through Mark LEV-in or whatever his name is, or anyone else. Joking aside, bygones are bygones. Levin is fighting the good fight.
That is, if conservatism — and people who don’t sell favors and their very loyalty — is your bag.
I don’t even know what “conservatism” is supposed to mean any more, so I say limited government and the Constitution are my “bag.”
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:47 amas a stalwart conservative i don’t think electing someone with a.) meager experience what is not of presidential stature and b.) a harvardtrash educational pedigree is really a very conservative thing to do
it’s elitist and cowardly i think
why?
we know harvardtrash are consummate self-marketers and we know that they have an extraordinary internalized sense of hyper-entitlement
and we also know the results that having a government top-heavy with harvardtrash has produced
advantage: Mr. The Donald
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:50 amGreetings:
Sorry, but I still like President Obama’s idea about the moat and the alligators better.
11B40 (6abb5c) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:57 amConservatism is “don’t bend, break, or abandon time-tested values that took the human race from caves to the Moon because they prevent you from doing what you want when you want”.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:05 amDonald Trump gave the money shot quote right here when he admitted, “I will be changing very rapidly. I’m capable of changing to anything I want to change to”
That’s what we’re afraid of—that he’s a chameleon that changes colors. We’re all for encouraging self-improvement every day of our lives, but if you’re about to turn 70 years old and you haven’t yet dealt with your impulse to be profane in public, then that’s probably a ship that isn’t going to leave the harbor.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:57 am@Patterico:I say limited government and the Constitution are my “bag.”
There’s a little overlap with conservatism there.
Free markets and limited government have never been very popular, and a lot of people use “Constitutional” to mean “what I think the law ought to say”.
Gabriel Hanna (64d4e1) — 2/11/2016 @ 9:08 amI don’t believe that to be an impulse of Trump’s but rather just the way he is. It will not change and frankly it’s not important enough for me to care if it did. Now, if his view on immigration changes then he has a problem.
BTW, if you guys aren’t trading in the market today you are losing a boat load of money!
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/11/2016 @ 9:11 amRev Hoagie, I think you hit on an important point. There’s a lot of people who don’t care if their President is profane in public. That’s what’s scary to a lot of us.
It’s this breakdown between private VS public behavior. If you want to tell dirty jokes and drop the “F” bomb with your buds at your Saturday night poker game in Joe’s basement, then that’s fine. But let’s not talk that way while standing in line at the supermarket or in reaction to when the umpire makes a bad call at a little league baseball game. The distinctions between private VS public have been slowly erased by the Left, not just in the context of economic inequalities and wealth distribution, but in terms of behavior as well.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 9:37 amRev. Hoagie, the market is just completing the transformation of America. The current volatility has been taken as conclusive proof that “capitalism as we know it” is dead. Another “crisis”, another opportunity to dig the hole a little deeper.
The next eleven and a half months could be some of the longest in our lives.
BobStewartatHome (e93157) — 2/11/2016 @ 9:58 amI don’t know what it is any more either, Patterico. When I see the different directions conservatives on this and other “right” blogs go any more, how they attack each other and how they seem not to agree on very much I figure I’m no longer a conservative, just an American. I’m not even sure of that. Seems by growing up believing the Founding Fathers were great men with a great vision for a nation of free people led me wrong. I believed that our right to own property was foundational as was our right to speech, bear arms and talk about religion. Sees they are no longer so. Making everyone equal is the foundation. Not just in rights and freedoms, but in outcomes. Stealing from one American to give to another has become SOP and now they even steal to give to immigrants and refugees. America is an Idea not a guarantee. No one has the right to come here and live off the sweat of our citizens. It’s immoral.
And when I see a major American political party offering the choice between a socialist and a communist for President and the people are actually voting for them then I know my America is dead. I spent entirely too much time as a youth killing commies outside the US when the real enemies were right in front of me. I have lived long enough to wake up each morning in a country I no loner recognize, love or fit in to. My wife and I worked very hard to get her naturalized and now I’m sorry we did. I’m trying to encourage her to sell off her salons so we can move to our home in Bermuda. I don’t believe I am of any value to the New America and the things I’ve spent my lifetime building no loner have value to this society. Over the last 40 years I’ve become everything they’ve taught Americans to hate. I’m white, male, Christian, heterosexual, I do believe in American Exceptionalism and don’t believe in white guilt or American sin.
I marched in the 60’s for civil rights, fought in Nam with black guys, Hispanic guys, Asian guys and even a Comanche. Saved a black guys life. I haven’t a racist bone in my body but if I mention the deliberate and systematic demographic change in America I’m instantly a racist. Funny, I would figure those people deliberately trying to change America because they don’t like it’s color would be the racists. See? I don’t fit. No one ever engages in just why changing the demographics of America is a good idea and how it benefits America and we Americans. They just scream racist and disengage. If someone would just explain to me how allowing a million South Americans into the US every year who bring with them no skills, no education, no money and a predisposition toward socialism which in America will translate into a million more democrat voters benefits us then I’ll shut up.
Conservatism is supposed to be “to conserve”. If we’re not willing to conserve the traditions, culture, society and beliefs that founded and built America and would rather join the cesspool of the world out of some undeserved “guilt” then screw it, we don’t deserve to exist. And in between about 30 and 50 years, we won’t.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:18 amBTW, I completely expect to be banned suspended from Patterico for my rant in #10.
I’m just saying BobStewartatHome, I’m killing deals here, killin’em! I completed 4 round trips before noon and did profits in the upper mid five figures and the day ain’t over.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:22 amDonald Trump asked tonight about his language –“I will be changing very rapidly. I’m capable of changing to anything I want to change to”
As in “Liberal, Smiberal, my beliefs are whatever fits at the time.”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:27 amHey Hoagie. Pat didn’t ban me during Christine O’Donnell’s Delaware Senate bid.
Pretty sure you’re safe.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:34 amSorry, I with Mark… even looking at the name of your site is hard to pronounce out loud especially if I were running a live radio show. It was good of Mark at least correct himself. Shows he doesn’t consider himself perfect nor is he egotistical
nice hat tip….
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:35 amRev Hoagie wrote,
“I don’t believe I am of any value to the New America and the things I’ve spent my lifetime building no longer have value to this society.”
———–
Rev, you’ve got great value—we need people of your experiences and wisdom to impart upon younger generations about American Exceptionalism, and about the blood sacrifices that our military has made in order to save people on the other side of the world who were of different race, religion, and language. Even if you just have a conversation with a high school student who lives across the street from you, or whatever, we need to teach the emerging generations about what makes America different from every other country. It’s kind of like a riff on Don Rumsfeld’s famous remarks about knowing what you know, and knowing what you don’t know, etc—the younger generations simply don’t know what they don’t know. They don’t know that America is different and exceptional, because they’ve been inundated by garbage their entire school careers.
Definitely, we’re all frustrated that the Left has a stranglehold on academia, the media, pop culture, etc., but we’ve got to keep fighting. The Left wants to grind us down so that we’ll one day just surrender to the “inevitability” of their vision.
Film director George Stevens documented the liberation of Dachau with cameras because as he told his camera guys (and I’m paraphrasing), “Otherwise, future generations will never believe that this evil actually happened.”
George Stevens was right.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:38 amHoagie–
You might be surprised, but I agree with much of what you write in #10, although I suspect you think I’m one of the offenders. I agree that I’m not particularly concerned with demographic change of certain sorts — western, Catholic immigrants with a work ethic are not a problem to me. My ONLY problem with illegal immigration from Mexico is that it is illegal, and a sufficient penalty for that crime ($10,000/person and a permanent bar to citizenship) would satisfy me, along with a solid barrier to future entry before any accommodation.
To me Conservatism is about values, mores and structures that work. Change may be necessary (e.g. the black civil rights era), but unreasoned change is not and change and progress are not synonyms. Further, “change” should come from the culture and the people, not from a government decree. Jim Crow ended not because the federal government up and decided that it should end, but because the bulk of the country could no longer co-exist with it. Television.
But today we have a media that does not inform, but lies to the lazy. These kids vote for Uncle Bernie and no one tells them he will saddle them with 50% income taxes for their entire lives and they will live in the womb of the state, while us old farts never pay a dime and collect extra special social security and Denticare.
There should be a test to register to vote, with all the answers available in a booklet like at the DMV. Nothing hard and multiple choice.
Like: “Each state has how many Senators?”
A. One
B. Two
C. Three
D. All of the Above
This would cut down the stupidity quite a bit I suspect.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:44 amThe reason there are so many different conservatives is because one size doesn’t fit all as it does so easily with communism, Marxism, big government, Daddy Government Socialists. People today like choices, different packaging’s…. the reason Branding… which is just a gimmick for character is trendy. Its even trendy to be trendy…. and then you have those that try not to conform to trends…. that’s where conservatives tend to be more of a self thinker and not a trend follower. For me its all about truth, honesty and that is why Ted Cruz can be the only man for the JOB of undoing all the lawless executive orders declared by BO. This election is just like the old TV show ….To Tell the Truth…. will the real conservative please stand…..
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:45 amif I could I would edit my typo/mistakes, but I can so I wont. But you get my idea…
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:47 amcan someone please phone jet-setter Al Gore and his side kick Bernie and tell them we are freezing in the NE, USA and need some global warming asap… maybe they could unleash some carbon somewhere which is about as close as they can get to the truth.
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:53 am* Limited government (Art I, Secs 8 & 9 in particular) and a strict adherence to the Bill of Rights.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:59 am* Citizenship carries rights and responsibilities that mere residence does not.
* The individual is primarily responsible for themselves and their dependents.
* Government’s primary duties are to prevent violence and fraud among individuals, and to defend against external attack. Note that collective oppression like Jim Crow is inherently violence.
* Government also has a brief to provide for common facilities (money, mail, roads, etc) when these things are not easily available from private actors, or to provide coordination of these when they are.
* Government should reflect, not lead, the mores and values of society, and be responsive to changes therein.
* Most government should be a local as possible.
Lately the dems have been deploying the pop culture to attack the Donald.
You have big name “Hollywood” jumping in with the Pirates of the Caribbean guy.
Some dude from Slipknot claiming to speak for “Heavy Metal”, as if that were a political block (decrying racism of all things in a thinly disguised attack).
Yep they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel in our fractured society of people who they think hold enough gravitas with the public, and can still be coerce by them with the proper arm twisting.
Think Ann Wilson demanding Palin stop using Heart’s “Baracuda” as a theme (the use of which at McCain’s convention, just seemed contrived and out of place anyhow. Palin’s own name being much superior to any identity theme the McCain team could have come up with.)
That’s the tactic coming up. Don’t think it will work against Trump too much. He has his own indelible brand beyond what a Johnny Dep or Slipknot can touch.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:00 amif I could I would edit my typo/mistakes
If there was a Bill of Blog Rights, this would be one of them.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:00 amJeb is for sale. It’s a feature, not a bug, for establishment Republicans. I guess we should be glad they don’t even try to hide it.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:28 amI’ll just say that I wish I could invest in the Rev. Hoagie mutual fund….
To have a political view point or any view point,
One needs to have some fundamental principles, know what they are, then know how to reason from them.
Our society as a whole has been teaching there are no fundamental principles, except the logically indefensible position that there are no fundamental principles.
Fundamental principles were given through Moses years ago, and it was not that long before most forgot or ignored them and did what was right in their own eyes…
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:31 amThere is nothing new under the sun.
I’d send Jeb a check for $100 if he would publicly endorse my Thursday night bowling team. We’re in a tough league. One of our top arch-rivals tried to sneak in a ringer last week. He was a Canadian with a 209 average.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:33 am* Government also has a brief to provide for common facilities (money, mail, roads, etc) when these things are not easily available from private actors, or to provide coordination of these when they are.
Electricity – which the government seems to delight in rationing, as if their charge were to forbid the creation of common facilities.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:34 amObama’s smallness
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:38 amand the destruction he’s wrought
seals his legacy
as if their charge were to forbid the creation of common facilities.
Only those that are bad for us. It’s for our own good.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:52 amTurn out the lights the party’s over…
It’s for your own good, you pug uglies.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 12:10 pmSo Jeb reveals he is up for sale, and Trump reveals he has no convictions and will change whims like the wind.
Great options versus the criminal Clinton and the marxist arschloch Sanders.
Think I’ll stick with Cruz.
Pete (d83ee1) — 2/11/2016 @ 12:24 pmMutual Funds are for long term, MD in Philly. I’ve been trading a Level II stock account.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/11/2016 @ 12:46 pmJeb is such and embarrassing mommies boy
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:01 pman
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:07 pm21. The Dems are Trumps base…. Have you looked at the numbers of primary voters for the dems compared to the republicans its like a 1/10 % ratio of difference… The dems don’t have a real leg in the race so they have all jumped ship and are Trump lovers for the free stuff they think he is slinging…. They view Trump as another Oprah handing out free stuff. The problem with mainstream America is that everyone wants something for nothing…..
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:17 pmSo you see, Rev., I can’t be trusted with any trading in the market,
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:18 pmNo matter how good you say it is.
That’s a stretch. You’re jumping from candidate Trump in a townhall meeting repeating someone’s off color remark for the benefit of others so he can denounce it with context, to he has no long term goals that he can see through to the end.
Besides that, tacking with the wind doesn’t change the destination. It just gets you there quicker.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:23 pm(Trump reveals he has no convictions and will change whims like the wind)
If DC has been gridlock for Cruz who has been battling them since 2012…can you imagine the chaos it will be for pipeline dream Trump. And the senate and congress will be just a bother to him while he is trying to redecorate the WH.
Cruz knows the big bad boys and their game and is ready to set them straight.
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:35 pmThere has only been one primary, New Hampshire. Berney Sanders received more votes than Trump outright. Hillary Clinton received a comparable amount. It’s a blue state.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:36 pmpipeline dream – interesting that you say that.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:38 pmThe Keystone pipeline was blocked by a signing statement from President Momjeans.
That’s one thing that President Trump could reverse in the car on the way to the WH from the inauguration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB_4Heb47d8
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:46 pm“tacking with the wind doesn’t change the destination. It just gets you there quicker.”
– paper tiger
Except that windsocks like Trump are anchored to reality only by the pole of their own self-interest.
Leviticus (efada1) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:47 pmpossibly, but context suggests he’s talking about diction not policies, unless you want to ignore the context,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:50 pmnotice in that Cruz ad, he doesn’t stand above the people as King Trump will do, he stands beside the people. Trump will meet even more gridlock in DC than Ted has been exposed to since 2012. Ted has experience and know how to control the kids in DC as President.
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:53 pminteresting times, so the chinese say:
http://observer.com/2016/02/mounting-evidence-putin-will-ignite-wwiii/
it is less volodya’s part in this, then erdogan’s tie to obama,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:56 pm@27: That is a perfect haiku in all respects.
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 2/11/2016 @ 1:57 pmyou want to revise and extend your remarks, nk,
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/jane-fondas-new-blame-game-republicans-responsible-creating-terrorists
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:07 pmYou think he’s like Dr Evil, with the goal of world domination? Maybe he plans on holding Washington hostage unless we pay him 1 Billion dollars, making him a billionaire.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:23 pmWait a minute. Naw. Never mind
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:24 pmPost41:No quarrel With the Trump windsock analogy.However, Mr. Cruz was absent for a bill,auditing the Fed, which he was a co-sponsor.His own self interest,to campaign,is evident over his duty to vote.
mike191 (4c004d) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:28 pmAt the risk of oversimplifying, American conservatism might be found in the differences between:
earns … versus … deserves
country … versus … party
morality … versus … fairness
capitalism … versus … socialism
rule of law … versus … social justice
independence … versus … dependence
individualism … versus … collectivism
leave me alone … versus … take care of me
charity of people … versus … charity of bureaucracy
to name a few…
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:28 pm“You think he’s like Dr Evil, with the goal of world domination?”
– paper tiger
No. I think he’s a raging egomaniac who aspires to the presidency for no purpose but the satiation of his own narcissism.
I also think he’s a complete moron.
Leviticus (efada1) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:34 pmPeyton Manning is an idiot if he really wrote Jebito a check….
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:39 pmYou know the best “jobs President” we ever had, forget the history books, was Warren Harding. Silent Cal just continued on administering Harding’s policies.
Now pick up a history book and read what liberal arts professors wrote about him.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:41 pm# 50 is a work of (smart) art…
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:43 pmBTW Harding was the first President elected with the women voting. For all those who bemoan ladies voting.
They did a pretty darned good job of it right off the starting block.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 2:49 pmConservatism is not a character or a personality trait — it is a framework within which a person engages in political life. Conservatives can be humorless, stodgy, close-minded and reactionary like Pat Buchanan; over-educated day-dreaming pedants like William F. Buckley; or humorous, idealistic, adventurous, focused extroverts like Ronald Reagan.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:02 pmLater on in a Bangkok hotel ….
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:05 pmThai fille de joie: Mr. Trump, it’s ok to have a small penis.
Trump: If you say so, honey, but I wish you did not have one at all.
I rise, reluctantly but out of a feeling of necessity, to say this of Jeb Bush in particular, and of “buying politicians” in general.
Jeb Bush’s comment about Peyton Manning’s campaign contribution check was a wonderful example of Jeb’s — and, too frequently, his brother’s and father’s — political tone-deafness. It’s something they share with Mitt Romney and John McCain.
Surely no one here thinks that a mere $2700 personal contribution gets any serious presidential candidate’s individual attention for very long. In practical American politics, as practiced ever since there’s been any campaign finance regulation at all, it’s not one’s own money through which one “buys” access to campaigns, candidates, and serving officials up for reelection.
Rather, it’s the money one can bundle, or direct through PACs, and/or the votes that one can influence, which “buys” that access.
Peyton’s a popular guy right now, and I’m sure Jeb’s very glad to have his vote, his $2700, and most importantly, his public support. I’m quite certain that Jeb Bush was far more grateful for Peyton Manning’s celebrity, to the extent it might tend to rub off on Jeb, than he was for the $2700.
And if Peyton Manning is trying to “buy” Jeb Bush, what exactly is the payoff there for Peyton? What, the Bush-45 Administration is going to mandate that NFL QBs can’t be tackled very hard, or get to play longer than their natural gifts might permit?
I don’t think Jeb Bush is a “dirty” politician who makes direct quid-pro-quo exchanges. I do think he’s perfectly representative of politicians on both sides, though, who have lost touch with the concerns of Americans who aren’t “buying” access to politicians like him through one of those legal means.
I feel about this much like I feel about gerrymandering. Gosh, the current system, and its current devoted practitioners, are repulsive. But the current structure may also be the least-worst that anyone has been able to figure out. That’s pretty much my conclusion after reading various majority, concurring, and dissenting opinions in any significant SCOTUS campaign finance cases (e.g., Citizens United or McCutcheon v. FEC), because any means that might be genuinely effective in “cleaning up” the system will also destroy the First Amendment. The best that can be hoped for is transparency.
It’s not like Peyton Manning was offering, or Jeb agreeing to accept, a secret all-expense-paid trip to Child-Molesting-Fantasy Island, is it? Anyone who wanted to could, and presumably did, look up Peyton Manning’s contribution online after Jeb mentioned it, right?
Sunlight is the best disinfectant; there are stronger ones, but they have toxic side effects, and who could you possibly trust to administer them fairly over time?
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:29 pmIt is nice youse folk are finally coalescing around a conservative it’s just too damn bad you couldn’t manage when you had a pot to p!ss in(chart):
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/02/11/20160211_EOD4.jpg
DNF (755a85) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:31 pmyes, he does have a taste for shoe leather, citizens united, is an imperfect vehicle, Obama has probably best exploited it, with contributions from Morgan Freeman, Bill Maher, JJ Abrams, yes that one, he manages to pull off the trick of being head teller at Ali Baba’s cave, yet decrying money in politics,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:37 pmTrump, by contrast, continually lies about his own campaign financing, claiming over and over again that he’s “self-funding.” Sometimes he says voters don’t give him enough credit for that; sometimes he says that’s why he’s winning. But he never says, “I’m self-funding two-thirds of my campaign so far.” That’s what his sworn campaign finance disclosures say, though — and almost no one ever calls him on it when he lies to the public by claiming that he’s the only person funding his campaign.
There is no one less credible than Donald Trump when he claims, now, to be an opponent of crony capitalism or outright corruption and results-buying. Why would he stop enriching himself after he gets control of both sides of the process?
What, we’re going to put the fox in charge of the hen-house on the theory that he’s already so bloated and sated that he won’t eat any more of our chickens? I can’t believe anyone is stupid enough to fall for that, but obviously a lot of people are.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:39 pm39. These two lines, temporarily divergent, will reunify around the election eve:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/02/11/20160211_EOD20.jpg
While the whole of QE1-3, et al., was to keep the S&P topped up, we now find $5 Trillion in public and private debt cannot keep it above 25% of the peak.
DNF (755a85) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:44 pm39. Plainly the world does not believe Yellen can raise rates and keep the dollar a functioning reserve currency:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/02/11/20160211_EOD20.jpg
DNF (755a85) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:48 pm39. Plainly the world does not believe Yellen can raise rates and keep the dollar a functioning reserve currency:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/02/11/20160211_EOD20.jpg
The dollar is losing value not gaining.
DNF (755a85) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:49 pmand who confirmed yellen, who had a track record, who would embarass alchemists,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 3:53 pmor this fellow, this bad happen of observing woody allen’s maxim about showing up,
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/10/politics/john-kerry-syria-russia-ceasefire-munich-talks/index.html
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:01 pm#50 Good list, thx. Will steal.
Steve Malynn (b5f891) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:02 pmI’m more persuaded by Trump saying to the public don’t send me money. If some people do send him money anyhow, well that’s their prerogative, and it can’t possibly cover the difference between what he has and what he could have had if he hadn’t said “keep your money”.
He sure spends campaign cash as if it were out of his own pocket, even if it isn’t.
Isn’t frugal one of those traits we want in government?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:15 pmHe developed the habit of frugality by picking his hairs out of the sink and trying to glue them back on his head, I’d bet.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:20 pm#68 papertiger,
Nothing says “keep your money!” like a prominently placed DONATE button on the front page of Donald Trump’s website.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:27 pm(LOL)
I once thought that transparency was the key as well, and forget other attempts at restrictions,
But that now has major problems when a vocal minority can destroy a person’s career because of a political contribution.
Are candidates allowed to keep the cash in an unmarked envelope under the door?
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:34 pmyes, they have weaponized every regulation, in their favor,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:35 pmP E D ‘s worked for me
mg (31009b) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:47 pmIf I were a bookmaker, I’d refuse to pay any bets on the Broncos because the fix was in. Manning paid Jeb to root for them and that gave the Broncos an unfair advantage when otherwise the Panthers should have won.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:48 pmyes, that explains the no defense, on the part of the panthers,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:51 pmOff-topic: radical environmentalists lose in California: Coastal Commission Executive Directive fired despite grass-roots crazy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/us/california-coastal-commission-votes-to-fire-executive-director.html?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:52 pmDirector
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:52 pmGood way to go out of business, nk.
mg (31009b) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:57 pmPerhaps Peyton can get Jeb a job making pizza.
mg (31009b) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:58 pmI actually typed in the sarcasm tags, Kevin, but this comment form does not support them.
MD, I’m guessing your reference was to Brendan Eich? In that same place, people pay $15.00 for a cup of coffee. http://www.fox5ny.com/news/88961165-story
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:03 pmSorry, mg not Kevin.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:03 pm“How Donald Trump broke all the rules — and won anyway”
Plenty of pundits have promoted pet theories as to how Donald Trump’s presidential candidacy would fail eventually. The latest batch, popularized over the last week, suggested that having come in a humbling second in the Iowa caucuses, the Trump spell would be broken. His “winning” persona would be ruined. As if to wish this theory into being after the caucuses, it seemed as if every second-rate Republican consultant and pundit began tweeting that Donald Trump was a “loser.”
Who are the losers now?
http://theweek.com/articles/604860/how-donald-trump-broke-all-rules–won-anyway
sound awake (04e750) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:08 pmYes,
It is interesting and odd to me that it seems a good way to start a business these days is to make something unusual and expensive that no one really needs, like a choice from hundreds of “craft” beers or local wineries.
There is a verse in Revelation about that, when luxuries are available but common foodstuffs for the poor are unavailable.
MD not exactly in Philly (deca84) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:12 pm“As I get closer and closer to the goal, it’s gonna get different… I will be changing very rapidly. I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to.”
– Donald Trump
“The Changling” teh Doors of Perception
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:12 pmUh!
Whoah!
Get yuge!
I live uptown
Don’t live downtown
I been all around
I have money, and I am yuge
I have money, and I am yuge
And I’m gonna win this thing
Don’t believe all those clowns
I’m a Changeling
I can change
I’m a Changeling
See me change
I’m that guy you hear
Drink your beer
I will cheat
I’m on Easy Street… yeah!
See me change
See me change,
I live uptown
Won’t live downtown
I been all around
I have money, yeah, and I am yuge
I have money, yeah, and I am yuge
And I’m gonna win this thing
So don’t you be a stooge
Well, I’m gonna make it stink
See what you think
It’ll be so great
So don’t you be late, wow
Ew ma!
Uh, ah!
You gotta see me change
See me change
Yeah, I’ll be on the train
Take it down the drain
You gotta see me change
Change, change, change
He has a Donate button on his site.
https://secure.donaldjtrump.com/donate/
You will find a way to declare that unimportant — and it is this unswerving commitment to spin that characterizes his supporters. The only question is how you will spin it — not whether you will.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:13 pmI’ve said it already.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:19 pm@ papertiger: Trump simultaneously brags about self-funding and invites people to his website, where, you guessed it, there is a big button soliciting contributions.
I’ve never heard him say, “Don’t send me money.” Provide a link or admit you’ve made that up.
Have you donated?
Don’t spread his lies here, though, please, unless you expect to be called on it. Trump is not fully self-funding — and we’ll see whether he even keeps up the 2/3rds level (he’s not spending serious money yet).
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:21 pmTo compete — in what I still believe to be a hopeless cause against the Clintonistas — Bernie Sanders needs those $37-on-average contributions through his website.
Trump would deem that chicken feed. His deals won’t be $34, they’ll be yuuuuuuge, and they won’t be reported to the FEC.
If you don’t believe that, then you’re just the kind of sucker upon whom Trump’s entire campaign relies.
If you think I’m imagining things, let’s have a sit-down to discuss it. Let’s go to a Trump casino. Oh wait, we’ll have to time travel for that. But if we did that, we’d end up at a casino in which his father had illegally bought $3.5M in chips he never intended to gamble, which the Trump companies and Trump’s father had to admit were an illegal, undisclosed loan in violation of New Jersey gaming laws.
But I’m sure Trump’s being absolutely truthful with the FEC, right? Because that’s his entire personality — meek, compliant, respectful of authority.
Sheesh. People are desperate about the political situation in this country, and I get that. I don’t get why people are desperate to be suckered by this con-man reality TV star who’s been a spectacular failure in the business world.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:29 pmNothing screams “I’m for the people!” like a populist billionaire who asks the little old from Pasadena to send him $100 so he can continue to keep the lights on in his private jet that has gold-plaited monogrammed hand towels in the lavatory.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:30 pmI have no personal experience of Mr Lester’s leadership of the California Coastal Commission, but I do know a good deal about the Commission’s strong-arm tactics. My then neighbor in Cayucos, about 5 minutes North of Morro Bay, lost a portion of his seawall during a violent storm. Before the CCC would grant him a permit to repair his protective seawall the Commission demanded he grant them an easement so the public could cross his property for access to the beach.
Residential lots on the coastal bluffs are typically quite narrow, which was the case here. For beach-going strangers to get to the shore they had to get within arm’s reach of his home, with a sharp drop-off on the other side of about 20′ to the rocks below, pass his kitchen and living room windows, cross his deck, and descend his private stairway. All while carrying all their beach furniture, food, and toys.
Additionally, there was no parking available except on the narrow street in front of the homes of residents, sometimes even blocking driveways on Holidays and weekends.
The Commission’s demands made no sense, but they were adamant. No Easement – No Permit. So, with more storms on the way and the prospect of large sections of his property washing into the ocean, or possibly undermining his home, he capitulated – the public now has the right to cross his yard to get to the beach.
The irony is that a safe, well landscaped, public access complete with a county maintained stairway is within 100 yards of my neighbor’s home. The Commission was well aware of it, yet blackmailed my neighbor for no good reason other than to flaunt their dictatorial power over the rights of coastal homeowners.
I now live in SW Florida, year round the weather isn’t as good, but I don’t pay California property taxes now.
ropelight (6d8c45) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:33 pmhttps://www.yahoo.com/politics/rush-limbaugh-on-ted-cruz-closest-to-ronald-171404095.html
JRT (bc7456) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:39 pmperhaps, but the regime has gone after vanderslip and adelson, on charges out of whole cloth, need we revisit macho grande, delaware, which I never much heard much of an apology in this quarters, even after the collusion of tom ross, and karl rove,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:41 pmthe regime’s long arm is exceedingly long, and ever vigilant,
http://rightwingnews.com/culture/breaking-cliven-bundy-in-jail-heres-what-happened/
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:43 pmI want to address Kevin’s link first.
It says
The Global Warmer’s piggybank himself, saying in effect that he doesn’t believe in rising sea levels swamping the coast, even generations from now.
That’s special.
“I don’t need your money, I need your vote. Keep your money, I don’t want any of your money,” Trump said during a rally in Plymouth, New Hampshire Sunday.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:48 pmMilitary endorsements will help in S.C.
mg (31009b) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:51 pmhttp://www.charismanews.com/politics/primaries/55118-ted-cruz-grabs-new-frc-linked-endorsement
papertiger: Did he take the contribute button off his website?
Then it’s another lie.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:55 pmThat’s in a story of how big an error it is for Trump to say that because supposedly people who contribute are more likely to vote.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:57 pm“Keep your money, I don’t want any of your money—but I have a DONATE button set up very prominently on the front page of my website, you know, just in case you decide to send me money that I refuse to accept!”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:58 pm96 What sounds closer to spin? What I said, or what Beldar said?
Audience?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 5:59 pmI guess I shouldn’t get too snarky about Trump accepting donations that he doesn’t want. After all, contradictions and changing his mind is what his campaign is all about!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:03 pmLook, papertiger, this is one of the countless times that Trump has made claims that are inherently inconsistent. It cannot both be true that Trump doesn’t want your money and is self financing his campaign, on the one hand, and that he’s accepting and spending millions of dollars of your money, and money donated by other contributors, via that website. The particulars of those donations are all disclosed under federal law, under penalty of perjury, and there are additional civil and criminal penalties for violations beyond perjury.
So which Trump do we believe? In this instance, I believe his FEC filings — not because I believe Trump about anything, but because he’s not stupid enough to risk personal prison time by lying to the FEC.
That means he’s lying to you and the rest of the American public. And you seem to love it.
I understand him. I cannot, for the life of me, understand Trump voters.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:04 pmHey, all I pay is lip service. I’m going to take him literally…
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:07 pmHey howabout those emails from the Cruz campaign saying he is on the brink of insolvency if I don’t send him a fifty? Is that lying? Does that qualify?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:11 pmI don’t know your name or address, papertiger, and so I can’t independently check to see. But c’mon, tell the Patterico comments readers:
Have you donated to Trump?
If so, did he send it back?
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:11 pmThis populist billionaire reminds me of one of those televangelists who preys on the vulnerable Christian charity of little old widows on pensions living in their 1890s brownstone in Dubuque. They choose between buying a second-hand winter shawl at the St Vincent de Paul Society VS sending in a small amount of money to help clothe the orphan children living in Peru. And then it turns out that the televangelist spends 75 cents of every dollar on “overhead” costs. Which includes his $1,000 custom tailored suits, his five star hotel rooms, the monthly mortgage on his million dollar home, and $200 an hour “massages” at Chinese Best Massage Parlour.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:11 pmAnd they’ve gone straight down the crapper ever since.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:12 pm#103 papertiger….dude, come on.
Cruz says, “I need your money, please send it.”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:18 pmTrump says, “Keep your money—but please send it.”
papertiger,
If he didn’t want people to donate he could take the DONATE button off his site. Correct?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:18 pmWhy he asks. Because Donald Trump is the first politician I can afford. (lol)
I can afford not to send him money easily.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:19 pmIt’s just fascinating to watch the spin. It’s like watching leftists, to be honest.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:19 pmpapertiger,
If he didn’t want people to donate he could take the DONATE button off his site. Correct?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:20 pmYou’re joking, right?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:22 pmThere’s a Democrat debate tonight. Does anyone care? I don’t.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:23 pmOne of Cruz’s emails said it would be the end of the dream if I didn’t send him some.
Got to hope he’s exaggerating. A little.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:24 pmHi papertiger!
If Trump didn’t want people to donate he could take the DONATE button off his site. Correct?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:26 pmJust because he lies about his PayPal account, doesn’t mean he’ll lie to us about building the wall. I hope.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:27 pmOkay, if you’ve sent him money, papertiger, and he hasn’t sent it back, then he’s not self-funding his campaign, is he?
He lied, and you knew it was a lie when you repeated it here. You didn’t have to make any assumptions from the existence of the “Donate” button. You, personally, have what is called “direct first-hand personal knowledge” — your own experience, your own unreturned money — to disprove the claim that Trump’s financing his own campaign.
The last figures I saw were that Trump’s campaign has taken in something like $19M so far. Your contribution is some part of that.
But based on your own admissions here — even apart from the website in which Trump is quite obviously soliticing and accepting contributions, and even apart from his sworn FEC reports — you knew that Trump’s not self-funding as of the moment you claimed otherwise here.
That’s spreading a falsehood knowingly. It’s deliberate lying. Trump does it constantly; he’s called on it occasionally; yet his fans, in their suckerdom, refuse to find fault with him, excuse him, and even spread his lies.
Now you’re caught in it (although I confess that this is the easiest cross-examination I’ve ever conducted).
Is it a big deal? No, in fact your lie is so obvious that it’s almost certain that no one here ever believed it even for an instant.
But Trump telling the American public, over and over, falsely, knowingly it’s false, that he’s self-funding his campaign? There are $19 million reasons to take that lie seriously.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:28 pmCan’t decide if Hillary is dressed like a new Bond villain, Goldfingress, a foiled baked potato served at a Trump Hotel restaurant, or one of the background cutouts from the Beatles Sgt. Pepper LP. Regardless, impossible to get past the Mao look and pay attention to what she is saying.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:30 pmCome on. Give me a break. Trump’s campaign guy has to do something to justify his paycheck, just like the Cruz people.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:32 pmWell, seeing as that crazy old coot (one of ’em, anyway) is gonna get slammed for not being sufficiently leftist enough, it might be fun to look at the highlite reel.
Bill H (dcdd7b) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:36 pmI see Sanders and Hillary are up on the stage spreading the usual joy and racial unity the Proggies are known for.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:37 pmIf Trump opened his wallet and started giving away $100 dollar bills in Times Square the TDS chorus here would criticize him for being too stingy to hand over his shirt too.
How about taking a few deep breaths and counting to 10. It couldn’t hurt and it might help.
ropelight (6d8c45) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:38 pmClinton has her nose so far up Obama’s ass she knows what he had for breakfast.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:39 pmJudy Woodruff
She got
More wrinkles than
Hillary does
Oh, baby
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:41 pmYeah, baby
Gonna see some softballs tonight
She’s wearing a stylish little Mao-suit this evening, as she rants about injustice, institutional racism and depravity America unleashes on teh People of teh Color.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:41 pmAnd the TV is off.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:42 pmpapertiger,
If Trump didn’t want people to donate he could ask his campaign guy to take the DONATE button off his site. Correct?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:42 pmvideo of papertiger spinning:
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:43 pm#121 ropelight,
So, the analogy you’re making to Trump taking donations from people even while telling him he doesn’t want their money is to say that Trump is too generous with his own money?
Wut?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:44 pmAn overweight Gwen Ifill asks whether some white people have a reason to feel resentful in today’s America. Hillary says she’s all about rejuvenating the coal industry.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:45 pm127… I can do better than that… here’s video of papertiger singing and dancing(?) about teh spinning… http://youtu.be/PGNiXGX2nLU
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:49 pmshirley she can’t be serious,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:51 pmThe rich get richer.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:53 pmThem that has gets.
Bernie was complaining about the time he has spend on the phone soliciting donations. He’s too lazy even to beg.
Trump tells people he doesn’t want their money and takes it anyway.
Advantage: The Combover
I have no personal experience of Mr Lester’s leadership of the California Coastal Commission
Jerry Brown appears to have appointed a move development-minded board. Former board members are aghast.
http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-0202-coastal-commission-20160202-story.html
Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/11/2016 @ 6:53 pmIt’s shameful the way otherwise thoughtful commenters (and our host) are ridiculing papertiger. This deranged level of hostility toward Trump supporters who have the courage to offer counter arguments to the Cruz crowd’s mob mentality is disturbing to anyone who values the free expression of opinion. Being in effect shouted down is testament to a totalitarian atmosphere which will brook no independent thought. We can do better than that, or I thought so till Trump started gaining traction.
ropelight (6d8c45) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:01 pmIt is difficult for someone who has emotionally committed themselves to the false notion that Trump doesn’t want people’s money, to deal with the hard fact that he has a DONATE button on his campaign Web site.
Ergo, spin, spin, spin, spin, and perhaps disappear. Anything but admit the obvious truth: Trump wants donations.
If he didn’t? He’d have the DONATE button removed.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:02 pmropelight,
That’s some extra-good whining on behalf of someone who is not being intellectually honest.
Are you calling papertiger a pussy? I don’t think he is. He can handle some tough questions, can’t he?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:04 pmropelight, where do you stand on this? Does Donald Trump want people to donate to him?
Is asking that question an instance of oppression? Or may I put that very obvious and relevant question to you, man to man?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:05 pmSee, it’s fine to support Trump, but the fact that your opinion may be unpopular here doesn’t give you license to make silly and indefensible statements without getting called on it.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:11 pmGlad to see Patterico on the right side of the issues with Trump an Cruz. For a while I was beginning to wonder if everyone went crazy on the Trump charade.
We need Carson out now. We have to police ourselves.
Paul Deignan (4e3514) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:15 pmPerhaps Hillary is actually wearing her golden parachute tonight. If she stitched some gold braid on the sleeves, she could be electronically inserted into an episode of Classic Star Trek as a Romulan temptress.
DCSCA (a343d5) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:16 pmfine if he wants to donate, then let him, that’s the point of citizens united, not the juggernaut it has become,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:16 pmNobody’s saying anyone can’t donate.
We’re saying that you can’t credibly maintain that Trump doesn’t want people’s donations when he has a giant DONATE button on his Web site.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:18 pmI’m not sure how I can point out that someone has engaged in a knowing falsehood — a falsehood like “Donald Trump is self-funding his campaign and doesn’t want anyone’s money — in a neutral way that doesn’t reflect poorly on the teller of the lie.
But if the liar finds that uncomfortable, there’s a really easy solution: Tell the truth.
The most kind thing I can say is: Probably no one believed the lie, because it’s so incredibly obvious. But see, even saying that doesn’t reflect well on either the person who told the lie (Trump) or the person who republished it, knowing from personal first-hand experience that it was a lie.
So: Not sorry.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:19 pmIf Trump wanted people to donate to his candidicy he’d ask them to do so. papertiger has linked his statement at #94:
Yet, his website has a DONATE button. So what? Is that grounds for ridiculing either Trump or papertiger, really? Does the botton invalidate Trump’s statement, really? Ted Cruz asks for donations, so do all the other candidates. Trump isn’t asking for donations but he provides a way for those who want to donate to do so. Is that really proof of towering duplicity? Only an intellect kinked by obsession could conclude so, in my opinion.
ropelight (6d8c45) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:23 pmAnd he does, on his Web site. It says: “MAKE A DONATION. Stand With Donald Trump and Make America Great Again.”
Yes.
I have not claimed any candidate doesn’t want donations. papertiger claimed Trump does not. But Trump asks for donations on his Web site. Ergo papertiger’s claim is absurd.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:31 pmWould you praise Trump if he came out and asked for contributions to fund his candidacy?
ropelight (6d8c45) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:35 pmBTW, the Democrat debate is excellent. Sanders and Clinton are actually drawing sharp distinctions. Both are demonstrating (exposing) the depths of leftist political thought.
ropelight (6d8c45) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:38 pmHas nothing to do with it, ropelight. Here are the two issues:
1) Is Trump lying when he says he is self-funding his campaign? Answer: yes. At the very least it is a half-truth. Or a 1/3 truth.
2) Is it absurd for anyone (like papertiger) to say Trump doesn’t want the public to send him money? Yes, because while Trump may say that, if he really meant it he would have the DONATE button taken down, and the entreaty for people to donate taken down. He has done neither.
I would like for Trump to be honest, and his fans to be intellectually honest.
I do not believe either will ever happen, though.
How did I know you guys would spin the donate button? How was I able to predict it with such confidence? Anyone with the capacity for self-reflection might take a moment to think about that question.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:40 pmA cry for help? Or just the usual case of Prog self-mutilation? https://t.co/cGMX4kwJhN
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:42 pmYou see what he’s doing here? It’s practice. Breaking down a hostile witness.
“I didn’t do it. YOU didn’t see me do it. YOU can’t prove a thing.”
OKAY I’ll tell anything you need to know, just let me out *whimper
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:49 pmropelight: Neither Ted Cruz, nor his supporters, claim that Ted Cruz is self-funding his campaign.
Donald Trump, and his supporters (including papertiger), claim that Donald Trump is self-funding his campaign, and that’s a lie. Not a mistake, not a misstatement, not the product of confusion or innocent error, but a knowing and deliberate lie.
I’m not who told it. It’s so obviously a lie that I probably didn’t need to point it out. But yeah: I’m pointing it out.
I appreciated your candor a day or two ago when you admitted that yes, Trump is vulgar. I didn’t take you up on your further offer to explain what qualities of Trump’s you think outweighs that, because that would have quickly gotten us into the realm of opinions, not facts, and speculation, not history.
But whether Trump is really self-funding his whole campaign or not isn’t a question of opinion. And it isn’t a question of fact that can be debated in good faith. Anyone who says Trump’s self-funding his campaign, that he “doesn’t want your money” — including, especially, Donald Trump — is just flat-out lying.
I don’t understand why otherwise truthful and honorable people want this vulgar, self-obsessed liar to be our President. I don’t understand why they’ll so eagerly repeat his lies.
But I suppose I do understand why they get offended when the lie is pointed out. It’s embarrassment, and actually, that’s a wonderful, healthy thing. If someone’s embarrassed at all about having repeated one of Trump’s lies, that means the person isn’t entirely shameless. That means they’re a cut above Donald Trump, who is shameless.
Beldar (fa637a) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:50 pmThe best thing about a lawyer, they really love an argument.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:51 pmThe best thing about a Trump supporter, they really love dodging questions that show their hero is a fraud.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:53 pmOver the recent past it was his several marriages, or his financial affairs, or his fancy airplane. A few days ago it was his hairdo. Yesterday it was Trump said “Pussy” which of course disqualifies him for high office. Today, it’s a Donate button. Tomorrow, who knows, it doesn’t matter, the nit pickers will fain outrage over something, it doesn’t matter what it is, the medium is the message: Trump bad – Cruz Christlike.
ropelight (6d8c45) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:54 pmpapertiger, ropelight,
The issue is that here’s a zillionaire claiming credit for being “self-funding” who hires a couple of violinists to play while he stands at the podium in front of TV cameras insisting he doesn’t want any contributions. Meanwhile, he has a very prominently displayed DONATE button on the front page of his website which enables the little old lady in Pasadena to send money to The Billionaire, which he then spends on his campaign. Yet he still claims that he’s “self-funding.”
By definition, he’s NOT “self-funding.”
Right?
If you don’t want people to send money, then why do you have a DONATE button?
Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, et al, all accept contributions. But they ask for them. And they publicly acknowledge that.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:58 pmCruz Christlike? That’s crap, ropelight, and I think you know it. I have acknowledged problems with Cruz in recent weeks. I don’t spin like a top when Cruz has an undeniable flaw. It could be his flip-flop on increasing levels of legal immigration, or his IMO over-the-top defense of the Kentucky clerk, or his claim that a Supreme Court decision was not binding on people who were not before the court, or other things he has said that I have criticized.
Trumpeters never acknowledge even the most obvious flaws. They dance and spin, just like you guys are doing right now, trying to change the subject to anything else, and refusing to give a single honest answer to a simple and straightforward question.
I won’t keep asking it. The demonstration is over. I set out to show that I could confidently predict you guys would dodge this and embarrass yourselves in the process, and I succeeded.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 7:59 pmIs there some over-reaction being played out here?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/139119223061/why-does-trump-terrify-people
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:00 pmMy free speech is being oppressed! The mean lawyer keeps asking a question I refuse to answer! I can’t explain how Trump doesn’t want my money yet has a DONATE button, so I will talk about anything under the sun other than that damning issue!
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:01 pmHow do you know that campaign finance law doesn’t make a button on the website mandatory for tracking purposes? There are always rules like that. Keeping track of every penny.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:02 pmThen it becomes a federal case when they don’t have it, unless it’s a democrat of course.
Pat, yours is one of the few websites that doesn’t.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:04 pmThat’s why I took it as a joke what Hoagie said.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:05 pmAnd is it mandatory to ask for donations above the button, do you figure? Is that your next bit of sophistry?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:06 pmPatterico and Beldar, let me express my respect for both of you. I’m sincere when I say I hold of you both in high regard, your Texas backgrounds notwithstanding. Yet we find ourselves on opposite sides of the burning political issue of the day. Let’s agree to disagree without allowing our differences of opinion to contaminate our view of the facts.
Can we press our own interpretations, within the limits of intellectual integrity, without exceeding the bounds of responsible and civil disagreement, I think so but I’d like to see some evidence on your part.
ropelight (6d8c45) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:11 pmAnd I want to say that ropelight and papertiger are GREAT guys. Just TREMENDOUS people. I’ve always LIKED them. They’re HUGE fans of this site and they do a GREAT job commenting here. Just TREMENDOUS. REALLY great, great guys.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:13 pmTo riff on the famous Edwin Edwards line about corruption, Donald Trump could get caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy and the Trump Fan Club would still be talking about Goldman Sachs or Canadian birth certificates.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:17 pm@54 @67: Thank you JRT, thank you Steve, most kind.
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:22 pman interesting question, colonel, of course, most of the commenters on that thread, miss the point,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:30 pmYou guys like to link other guys’ opinions. I am not saying this to flatter you, but I respect your opinions more than the opinions of some guy I could look up on the internet but didn’t because I didn’t want to and came here to read your comments instead. It’s nice that Mr. Adams is not afraid of Trump. Good for him. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and next thing you know you have another Star Wars movie. And so what? His fears are his business.
As for fearing Trump, I fear him the way I would fear a drunken bus driver. I wouldn’t want him behind the wheel whether I was on the bus or not.
nk (dbc370) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:41 pmI think he sees us on a fast track to elbonia, and take a look from los angeles to chicago, to name too places, he’s not far wrong,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:45 pmany sane person would be scared, to a considerable degree:
http://www.weaselzippers.us/256421-bernie-in-favor-of-skirting-constitution-will-go-even-further-than-obama-with-executive-orders/
narciso (732bc0) — 2/11/2016 @ 8:56 pmI just got done reading the whole thread.
1) I used to say p(schwa)-TARE-i-co, too, before I found out it was patter-Rico. Because the former seemed more sophisticated and intelligent… Now I use the latter because it’s correct.
2) Patterico and Beldar did a masterful job of showing the liars and Trump idolators for what they are.
3) Papertiger has been lying for quite some time in defense of the lying Leftist Democrat Donald Trump, and I have called him out on it multiple times.
John Hitchcock (2ff821) — 2/11/2016 @ 9:49 pmYou didn’t even try to check if it’s a requirement did you.
Well here it is.
Let’s skip the gobblidy goop and get to the brass tack.
The money quote again,
Growl for me again, John. Let me know you still care.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:50 pmGame , set , match.
In your face.
And here’s my happy dance.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 10:54 pmThat’s one in a row for me.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:31 pmLook at that. What you quoted did not say candidates are mandated to have a donate button or to ask for donations on a website. Only that they report said donations. So your research does not let Trump off the hook for his lie or you off the hook for yours.
John Hitchcock (2ff821) — 2/11/2016 @ 11:37 pmIt proves one thing John. You aren’t big enough to admit when you’re wrong.
Naw. Actually I knew that already.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:45 amhttp://www.thisblogisdangerous.com/conservative-save-yourself/#more-645
mg (31009b) — 2/12/2016 @ 2:01 am177. Excellent surmise. The US Chamber is headed for victory regardless of anything we say here(ChartFU):
http://realinvestmentadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Tax-Withholding-021016.png
Here are the captains of capitalism paying themselves:
http://realinvestmentadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Buyback-Index-021016.png
Financed on the backs of a downscale mobile middle class:
http://realinvestmentadvice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Hussman-StockBuyBacks-Debt-113015.jpg
where all of the job growth over recent years has been among illegals. Take it in the pants once again, conservative.
Hollow victories, anyone?
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 3:08 amI guess we know Jebbies price now. He will sell anything. And he sells cheap. Did he not realize what he was saying? Stupid too.
sd Harms (c7dded) — 2/12/2016 @ 3:16 am177.
The partisans among you congratulate yourselves on a win with the despised conservatives on board. But look at what you together inherit.
A steaming borehole, rancid and overflowing. You have ream upon ream of regulations to undo against opposition from every quarter to even begin reconstruction.
GLWT.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 3:16 am“You couldn’t beat a bunch of communists and lesbians”
mg (31009b) — 2/12/2016 @ 3:21 amPriceless.
Embedded in the link is a chart of our near future, the Japanese present, the Fed having followed Japan’s lead lo these years since the GFC of 2008:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-11/abewrongics-16-months-japanese-money-printing-nothing
Devaluing the yen to boost imports failed, personal income has crashed and now the yen is no longer cheap.
Total failure.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 3:33 am181. And they’re still railing about ‘civility’. A pack of empty scrota.
They will completely waste a Nov. victory–just like Iraq–with no plan to secure the peace, loozers.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 3:38 amPapertiger,
What you quoted did not say the first word about
1) Requiring a campaign website
2) Requiring a donate button on that website
3) Requiring a request for donations
It said
1) You must let the FEC know that you got campaign contributions
2) Let the government know electronically.
Neither of which requires a donate button be created. So, it does not absolve the Leftist Liar Donald Trump of his lie. It does not absolve you of your continuing lies.
John Hitchcock (2ff821) — 2/12/2016 @ 3:50 am183- Time for local government to take over.
mg (31009b) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:03 amBake your sheriff a cake.
We saw the first report of this fact in So. Korean imports&exports in Oct.(chart):
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/02/11/20160211_demand.jpg
World commerce down 15%. So you expect this not to be reflected in your retainer income?
Wait for it.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:03 am184. We look in vain for an honest man.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:06 am185. Not to ferget the fire marshall.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:09 amHard to believe but Saudi Arabia and Turkey look to be choosing to front an utterly feckless America invading Syria with boots on the ground!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-11/iran-holds-nothing-back-its-suicide-mission-will-have-very-dark-end
Europe has already since a y-o-y increased influx this Jan-Feb.
More popcorn? No, its time to find an exit.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:21 am189. Empire lost:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-11/russian-prime-minister-warns-there-will-be-permanent-world-war-if-saudis-invade-syri
Nice presidential term you got there. Be a shame if anything happened to it.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:28 amYes, and Kruschev buried us, too. Is zerohedge a
nk (dbc370) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:41 amKGBFSB dezinformácija operation? Capitalism is failing worldwide, Russia is ascendant, all hail Putin.Where on earth did you find that website “The Iron Legion”, mg? Wow! Talk about out on a limb? Those guys don’t like anybody.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:09 amSo Trump’s new tactic is calling Cruz a liar?
Colonel Haiku (47d8f4) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:13 amActually no, voldya is more of a capitalist then red queen or doc nrown, however we see the fruits of the Iran deal, not to mention the qr there card Monte.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:14 amWe have permitted teachers and educators in this country to define what capitalism is for 50 years then when what they call capitalism fails they blame the free market which had no relation whatsoever to what existed. Capitalism is a word invented by a communist to falsely define the ability of free people to own property. We have allowed socialist/communist teachers unions to define to our children that a collusion between regulators and big business in capitalism. Why?
And I too loved: “181.“You couldn’t beat a bunch of communists and lesbians”, mg. I will be quoting that one.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:19 amIs that some sort of code, cause it sure ain’t English?
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:21 amPutin over Hillary ‘a thousand impossible things, or Sanders. Lavrov spikes the ball over Kerry.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:24 amRussia may well be on the ropes, like the chernenko era, yet we have allowed then to steal a step.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:29 amThe things you find on Al Gore’s wonderful invention:
The Oxford English Dictionary [] credits William Makepeace Thackeray for the first published use of the word ‘capitalism’ in his novel, The Newcomes (1853-55), though it is clear from its context that this refers to finance capital, rather than as a ‘system’. Financiers in 19th century novels tend to get a bad press; see Trollope’s ‘The Way We Live Now’.
The origin of the word ‘capitalist’ is of much earlier vintage: in French, A. R. J. Turgot (1727-1781) used ‘capitaliste’ in his essay, ‘Reflection on the Formation and Distribution of Wealth’ (1769-1770), and WilliamGodwin used its English version, ‘capitalist’, in his Political Justice (1794).
nk (dbc370) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:30 amTrollope was a once and former liberal ie Whig office holder.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:36 amNot a big fan, but a lot more readable than Dickens. My explanation for Dickens’s popularity is that he was the soap opera (all his books were serialized) of his time. You could spend a month trying to get through one chapter.
nk (dbc370) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:39 amMarx was a scribbled as ignorant as piketty, well perhaps Krugman.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:40 am192- Rev.
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I am aware of the wonders of Algore’s invention, nk. The term “capitalist” used to describe an economic and political system was coined by Marx. The word existed before but was not so associated. For example, Adam Smith did not use it.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/12/2016 @ 8:17 amHey Hoagie. Good morning.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 8:54 am191. I expect more of you, Sir. Pick up your game.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 8:57 amHitchcock still advocating for Trump to “prove his purity” by breaking campaign finance law.
Can you pronounce the word pathetic, John? Here. [PəˈTHedik]
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:03 amda Tech Guy: http://datechguyblog.com/2016/02/11/the-gop-front-runner-is-donald-trump-not-ted-cruz-and-heres-why/
All this means to me is that no one is going to run away with the vote and hide. The GOPe will ruin this election as a grass roots uprising and here everyone is helping that reality come into being.
Trump and Cruz need each other and scorched earth messaging is going to mean conservatives and the thoroughtly disaffected will both lose and we will have triangulating liars in the driver’s seat for four crappy years while the progs tear the Repugnants new azzholes.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:18 amRussia is still 10% Yukos and 90% gangster. If anybody is hanging on by the skin of his teeth, it’s Putin.
nk (dbc370) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:24 amand who’s going to bell the czar, exactly?
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:26 amFracking, if we lift the ban on gas exports to Europe.
nk (dbc370) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:35 amFalse dilemma:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/3318/will-establishment-back-trump-or-cruz-ben-shapiro#pq=iz03Fj
Neither and no need.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:36 amfrackers will be gone in a year, between the dragon’s snooze and the sauds steep dive,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:38 ami think we’re still waiting to hear about this:
Poland’s Grupa Azoty plans $648 mln coal gasification plant
Poland is estimated to have an oversupply of coal amounting to around 7 million tonnes a year.
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:38 amthere is no such thing as frackers will be gone in a year
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:39 amon a lighter note,
https://twitter.com/Morning_Joe/status/698122551382269952
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:39 amSo you want the donations button, required by law, to be unlabeled. Just sort of floating out there for people to wonder “what the heck is that?”
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:39 amreally at what price, you think they can still stay in business, this a trick the sauds picked up from the rockefellers I think,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:41 amthese are not the droids,
http://www.jammiewf.com/2016/police-baffled-after-guy-named-mohammad-goes-on-machete-rampage-at-ohio-deli/
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:43 am209. Pooter is merely a goad to help spur the bull into a blood rage. The real damage the military-industrial complex will do under the weight of its towering hubris.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:44 amThe donate button is not required by law. What you quoted was the contributions were required by law TO BE REPORTED. The donate button is NOT required by law. And you lied about that. And you lied about me. AGAIN.
Papertiger, you are a damned liar.
John Hitchcock (1425d9) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:51 am220. This story is typical of American ME policy:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/12/exclusive-u-s-allies-now-fighting-cia-backed-rebels.html
We are insane.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:53 amonly if you consider the rebels fighting for us, the army of conquest, is not about that,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 9:58 amRemember what happened to Ted Stevens> Hounded out of office by crooks disguised as Fed prosecutors.
An encyclopedia sized report cataloging misconduct by the prosecutors during the trial. Ted’s office the final piece of the puzzle for Obamacare to be imposed on the country without a Republican vote.
Not one of those sorry sacks of …. ever recommended for criminal charges.
Now you want Donald Trump to be set up for the same treatment in order to pass your “purity test”.
Think again zippy.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:02 amJohn, you argue like a democrat, and you smell like a sewer. Take a bath dude.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:05 amJohn has his proper reservations, do not impute ill will, as one grants your enthusiasm,
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:11 amI’ve worked in a Congressional campaign. We put considerable attention and effort in weeding out improper contributions (mostly business checks) and sending them back. But you get more of those when you ask for donations, when you have a button with “Please Donate” on it, then when you say “Don’t Send Me Any Money” and mean it.
Trump is talking about both sides of his mouth. From one side he asks for contributions and makes it easy for people to give them; from the other he says “I don’t want your money”. Why is that so hard to see?
nk (dbc370) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:15 amTRUMP after eight years of Obama, the only candidate the country can afford.
How’s that for a campaign ad?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:22 amIt’s funny how some of Trump’s Fan Boys are probably more publicly critical of their own wife than they would ever be about Trump. If a man’s wife offered such contradictions or changed her mind as often as Trump does, he’d be complaining to the guys about her down at the barber shop or at his Saturday night poker game.
Ronald Reagan made some missteps as Governor and as President. We can all admit to that, yet still hold him in the highest regard. As human beings, we’re inherently flawed and we’re all going to make some contradictions, change our mind, and goof things up—even someone as perfect as The Donald. But this cognitive dissonance practiced by the Trump Fan Boys is a little weird. Some of them have the nerve to mock Marco Rubio’s hair. Talk about a person living in a glass house who throws rocks.
The notion that the government is compelling Donald Trump to place a DONATION button on his website against his will is just plain nuts.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:30 amYou have experience with candidates saying “Don’t send me money”? Even one?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:43 amNo way. They spend more time raising money than doing anything else.
nk (dbc370) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:47 amNK How about with candidacies that cross state lines? Some state’s don’t require electronic reporting, but most of them do. Any experience with those?
You cover all the bases in a national election. If you don’t “we the people” get stuck with an Obamacare, or something equally obnoxious.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:49 amSorry about that last. Just wanted to make the point.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 10:54 amYou’re a GREAT guy, papertiger. I’m your HUGEST fan. If I ever run for President, I will surely consider you for my VP. 😉
nk (dbc370) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:04 amTrump is lending money to his campaign, hiring his companies to provide services, and using donated and personal funds to repay himself. He once boasted he could make money from running for office. He wasn’t kidding.
Maybe it’s a good return on investment for his donors. It could get them an invitation to watch his next wedding on TV.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:27 amDRJ, you can’t float that sort of snark and talk out of the other side of your mouth about principles. Apparently, I don’t know you.
ropelight (ec9a8c) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:33 amYou have to type < for the initial and </sarc>.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:42 amOops, I disregarded my own advice :-). You have to type < for the initial < sign. As in, <sarc> and </sarc>.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:43 amHe bragged about having the Clintons at his wedding in return for a donation. It’s his snark, not mine. Maybe he’s the one you don’t know.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:44 amYou have principles but Trump has no principles other than promoting himself. If you disagree, tell me what his principles are so we can discuss them.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:47 amN.Y. democrat principles.
mg (31009b) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:55 amThese are Cruz’s principles he listed in 2014 at CPAC (scroll to the bottom). Trump wasn’t there but he’s had time to tell us what his principles are. You support Trump so you should know what they are.
Seriously, what does Trump stand for? I know he wants a wall and to make America great. Is that it?
DRJ (15874d) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:55 amon a more ecumenical note,
https://ricochet.com/power-limited-government-and-marco-rubio/
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 11:57 amprinciples are just so much smarmy virtue signalling i think
happyfeet (a037ad) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:01 pmYou’re right that this probably is a waste of time, ropelight. It’s too late for substance, isn’t it?
DRJ (15874d) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:05 pmIt’s not his marriages that were ever the problem, it’s his activities outside those marriages. There’s nothing wrong with having been married more than once; nobody held it against Reagan, because there was never any reason to suppose he’d done anything wrong. But there’s plenty wrong with Trump’s dalliances with all those women who weren’t married to him, and especially with the ones who were married to someone else. Trump is an adulterer, and Americans have never yet knowingly elected one president.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:08 pmBecause it’s a ridiculous notion. To state it is to refute it.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:11 pmDRJ, this kind of says it all.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6117/6376556607_180fc63d21.jpg
No point in politely discussing things with a kibitzer.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:12 pmYes. WTF has this got to do with a donate button? Nothing at all. Your “happy dance” is a liars’ dance.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:16 pmThat was when “liberal” meant what it says, i.e. what is now meant by “conservative”.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:21 pmthat is why I reference the predecessor party, trollope referenced many event in the news, whereas Dickens was much more self referential
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:23 pmThere is no law requiring anyone to ask for donations, whether on a web site or anywhere else. You have made up such a law out of whole cloth, and quoted an irrelevant wall of text hoping nobody would bother reading it and people would just trust you that it says what you claimed it says. But it doesn’t.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:24 pmAnd none require asking for donations in the first place. Electronically or in any other way.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:27 pmAs I understand it, “whig” means “thief”, and was originally an insult that the tories attached to the whigs, which they eventually adopted and “owned”. Hey, we should try calling Democrats whigs. 🙂
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:30 pmSome of you guys jumping all over Trump supporters are getting outrageous. You should realize that emotion and personality as well as logic and intellect go into supporting a candidate for a lot of people. You should realize this is a blog not a courtroom. Evidence matters as much as observation or “a feeling” or a hunch or a hope. Nobody needs to “prove” anything, just believe something. You are treating your fellow Republicans like crap and making them out to be fakes and liars because they like a guy you don’t. You’re so interested in proving you’re right in a court of law you are forgetting these guys come here voluntarily to post and pester other Republicans. If they wanted the sh!t kicked out of them for every comment they could go post at Huffpo. Frankly, I like to read the different opinions but I don’t like reading a bunch of disrespectful hate directed at each other because of some crap-a$$ed politician someone likes.
Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:34 pmOh, and if you like Trollope, try Jo Walton’s Tooth and Claw. Trollope with dragons.
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/12/2016 @ 12:43 pmHoagie, Trump is a liar.
Papertiger is a damned liar. Damned as in dictionary definition of.
Ropelight is a Trump idolator. Idolator as in dictionary definition of.
Hf is a waste of any intelligent and sane person’s time.
None of what I said in this comment is meant to be hyperbolic in any way, whatsoever.
John Hitchcock (1425d9) — 2/12/2016 @ 3:55 pmyou just a poopy poopy hitchypoop
i got your number mister
happyfeet (831175) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:06 pmHoagie,
There was a time when it was a sign of respect to try to talk to someone about what they think and why they think it … but I agree those days seem to be over. What a shame.
DRJ (15874d) — 2/12/2016 @ 4:09 pmYou’re a liar. yeah okay.
You’re a fraud. Whatever.
You’re a sophist. *eyeroll*
You’re a spinmeister. Hmmm.
You’re an idiot. Hideeho.
You’re a cheat. Dum de dum.
You argue like a Democrat. OH! NOW WAIT JUST A damn MINUTE. OVER THE LINE! Foul!
One of the endearing things about the Patterico community. lol
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 5:23 pmWrong. How is one supposed to report contributions, appreciated but not solicited, when even one not being reported is a violation of campaign law when the laws are various discordant crossing state lines between a multitude of jurisdictions?
God forbid someone slip an envelope in a pocket at the Austin Texas office of the Trump campaign.
Get real. Do I need to draw you a map?
It’s like explaining the laws of thermodynamics to a professor of global warming. They get paid to not understand plain English. What’s your excuse?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/12/2016 @ 6:29 pmSure sounds like the Party of Stupid at work once again.
DNF (755a85) — 2/12/2016 @ 7:38 pmJust another say ending in y.
narciso (732bc0) — 2/12/2016 @ 8:12 pmThe same way it has always been done. You make a list and file it, in whatever format is required. What has this got to do with having a web site that solicits donations? How does having such a button even help with reporting the checks that come in the mail?
Milhouse (87c499) — 2/14/2016 @ 1:23 amMailing address? This is a new accusation in need of confirmation. Moving the goalpost.
Where’s the mailing address Milhouse?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/14/2016 @ 11:57 am