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2/10/2016

Last Night

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:51 am



As Allahpundit noted on Twitter, nationalism and socialism won last night.

What could possibly go wrong?

423 Responses to “Last Night”

  1. Heh.

    carlitos (c24ed5)

  2. No, Bernie and Trump are not good examples of either. Bernie’s an national socialist, and Trump (with his single payer healthcare and protectionism) is a social nationalist.

    Gabriel Hanna (3d8e32)

  3. plus also Mr. Trump won!

    best fat tuesday ever!

    happyfeet (831175)

  4. From the link:

    Sounding more than a little like Donald Trump — and that’s not mere coincidence — Bernie bellows that he remembers a time when you could walk into a department store and “buy things made in the U.S.A.”…

    Like most of these advocates of “economic patriotism” (Barack Obama’s once-favored phrase) Bernie worries a great deal about trade with brown people — Asians, Latin Americans — but has never, so far as public records show, made so much as a peep about our very large trade deficit with Sweden, which as a share of bilateral trade volume is not much different from our trade deficit with China, or about the size of our trade deficit with Canada, our largest trading partner. Sanders doesn’t rail about the Canadians and Germans stealing our jobs — his ire is reserved almost exclusively for the Chinese and the Latin Americans, as when he demanded of Herself, in the words of the old protest song, “Which side are you on?” The bad guys, or American workers “seeing their jobs go to China or Mexico?”…

    Trump and Bernie, two sides of the same coin.

    Gabriel Hanna (3d8e32)

  5. I am in complete and utter despair. Oh me, oh my, what shall I do? What shall I do? Is there no balm in Gilead? In Walgreens? CVS?

    nk (dbc370)

  6. Trump is a classical fascist in the Mussolini tradition. Nationalism, Crony Captial + Crony Labor + Crony Government (the three fasces), with a tinge of white male dominance and repression of Hispanics.

    Bernie is a Marxist-Leninist working within the system. I have no doubt there are still secret files in the Kremlin regarding him.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  7. Oh.. Forgot Jingoistic militarism. For Trump if you couldn’t guess.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  8. If Bloomberg were to run as an “Independent” and actually campaign to win, it’s possible that he could win a handful of swing states, thereby denying any of the three candidates from attaining the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    In that case, the House elects the President. But rather than doing a straight up vote by each of the 435 memebers, it’s done by House delegations. So, with 50 House delegations, only 26 is needed to elect the President. The GOP has a numbers edge in 33 House delegations.

    Ross Perot famously received 19% of the popular vote in ’92, but he didn’t win a single state.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  9. Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo
    You’re living in your own Private Rubio
    Living in your own Private Rubio
    Got a wife like a wild tomato
    Kids’re on the patio.
    Beware of the fool,
    Teh swirl-haired fool.
    He’ll lead you straight
    right throught the gate
    that elects Trump teh fool.

    You’re living in your own Private Rubio
    You’re living in your own Private Rubio
    Keep off the path, beware of the gate,
    watch out for signs that say “do it my way”.
    Don’t let the pixie dust in your eyes
    blind you to the awful surprise
    that’s waitin’ for you at
    the election of the feckless orange, orange, orange swirl.

    You’re livin in your own Private Rubio
    You’re out of control, the rivers that roll,
    you fell into the water and down to Rubio
    Forget about Trump
    Forget about Trump

    Colonel Haiku (0490b7)

  10. Kevin #6: I would imagine that HRC’s elves are sifting through files looking for exactly that kind of material to dump on Red Bernie.

    Good Lord, the guy had a honeymoon in the Soviet Union (now, that’s romance).

    Simon Jester (2708f4)

  11. 8. Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/10/2016 @ 8:19 am

    If Bloomberg were to run as an “Independent” and actually campaign to win, it’s possible that he could win a handful of swing states, thereby denying any of the three candidates from attaining the requisite 270 electoral votes.

    No, not swing states, mainly. Light to middling blue and red states, especially blue states, particularly… California!

    The Republican won’t campaign in California, and Bloomberg makes a better Republican candidate (for California at least) than Cruz. 65% of the Republicans will vote for Bloomberg, and he might win against Bernie or Hillary or Biden.

    In that case, the House elects the President. But rather than doing a straight up vote by each of the 435 memebers, it’s done by House delegations. So, with 50 House delegations, only 26 is needed to elect the President. The GOP has a numbers edge in 33 House delegations.

    The GOP will need approximately 57% of the House, or 248 members, and may have less. Seven individuals (from Alaska, Delaware, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming) will cast the vote for their entire state. If it is like the 113th Congress (elected 2012) I think you’d have just 25 and a few defections in the right places could prevent the election of the Republican nominee.

    Sammy Finkelman (1a8d7e)

  12. In that case, the House elects the President. But rather than doing a straight up vote by each of the 435 memebers, it’s done by House delegations. So, with 50 House delegations, only 26 is needed to elect the President. The GOP has a numbers edge in 33 House delegations.

    Unfortunately, though, it’s stuck with the top three vote-getters in the Electoral College. What I think would happen, though, is that deals would be done before the Electoral College votes, and a majority would be put together for a compromise candidate.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  13. If you would like to know a little more about Sanders life and how the left hides its associations with the C/communist party of old then you might want to read
    Propaganda’s Bodyguard of Lies, Pt. 1 by Dianna West. In the article Dianna shows how the supposed reformed leftists out themselves as they attack any article showing the relationship.

    http://dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/3254/Propagandas-Bodyguard-of-Lies-Pt-1.aspx

    Davod (f3a711)

  14. c.s. Bloomberg won’t run if it’s, say, Rubio vs Clinton. But if it is Trump vs Sanders, all bets are off. I can foresee a FIVE-way race. Assuming that sore-loser laws keep everyone who contested Iowa out of the race, consider:

    Trump (GOP nominee)
    Romney* (eGOP savior)
    Bloomberg
    Biden* (eDem savior)
    Sanders (Dem nominee)

    Now, each state is first-past-the-post and this would be pretty helter-skelter. Assume that no one gets to 270. Then the House gets to pick, by state delegation, from the TOP THREE finishers. The Senate picks from the TOP TWO (which could be fascinating if the House picked #3).

    Just saying how screwed up this could get. The only thing that is sure in this scenario is that the House would not pick Sanders.


    * or whomever

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  15. Trump and Bernie, two sides of the same coin.

    And they both are part of the reason why we no longer can walk into a department store and “buy things made in the U.S.A.” Sander’s political party sucks the life out of American companies through taxation, unionization and regulation while Trump’s Big Billionaire Cronies wheel and deal against American workers.

    It is strange that so many say they are against the 1%ers yet oddly see them as their economic saviors.

    Susan (b75f73)

  16. Mr. Trump is NOT a wheeler dealer against America this is a complete misnomer Susan

    shame on you

    happyfeet (831175)

  17. feet. I just heard the MSM has all kinds of footage that will destroy Trump but they are waiting to use it when he is running against they gal Hilary. Trump will go to DC and will NOT repeal any of Obama’s executive orders. He will need at least four years to redecorate the WH and learn his way around parliamentary procedures.

    JRT (bc7456)

  18. 6. Trump is a classical fascist in the Mussolini tradition. Nationalism, Crony Captial + Crony Labor + Crony Government (the three fasces), with a tinge of white male dominance and repression of Hispanics.

    Bernie is a Marxist-Leninist working within the system. I have no doubt there are still secret files in the Kremlin regarding him.
    Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/10/2016 @ 8:17 am

    Calm yourself. Trump is not a fascist. I can think of all kinds of bad things to call the guy, but I require evidence.

    My beef against Trump is, he believes in nothing. And I’m taking his word on that, the big Manhattan tycoon who just pays everybody off in the normal course.

    But Bernie, he loves him some USSR.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  19. So, what happens if an election goes to the House, and the electoral vote is:

    Sanders: 220
    Trump: 180
    eGOP savior: 135

    and they pick the 3rd place guy?

    Yes, he becomes President (and likely Trump’s running mate is VP), but it would seem that there would be unhappiness that would make Bush’s 2000 win seem like a landslide.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  20. “6. Trump is a classical fascist in the Mussolini tradition. Nationalism, Crony Captial + Crony Labor + Crony Government (the three fasces)…”

    Obama,anyone?

    Davod (f3a711)

  21. My 20. PS. And God help anyone who gets in the way.

    Davod (f3a711)

  22. nonono JRT Mr. Trump will do fine I promise

    I like that bolero or whatever you call it Sarah has on in that video you link it’s very snazzy

    happyfeet (831175)

  23. Its simple. You are either smart and see that Cruz will be the only one to fight the fight for the people and undo Bo’s executive orders or you’re not so smart.

    JRT (bc7456)

  24. i just don’t see Mr. Cruz having a path to the nomination – it seems like way more people are voting for Mr. Trump than for him

    happyfeet (831175)

  25. its not smart and she looked like a porcupine…. Sarah is not so smart. no no no ….you don’t know trump like you don’t know food. I know food and I know trump….100% Italian here.

    JRT (bc7456)

  26. …white male dominance and repression of Hispanics…

    Can somebody voxsplain me how most Hispanic men are not white males?

    That charge is right up there with accusing me of racism because Islam is apparently now a race.

    How the holy h3ll did the language of of the conquistadors become the language of the indigenous but the language of Cristoforo Colombo and Amerigo Vespucci did not? Now, you roll your Rs you’re an original American. Because you speak Spanish. Really? Are your freakin’ serious? Like Spain is no more European than Britain?

    Again, voxsplain me this.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  27. Iran publishes pics of captured US sailors crying… http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-publishes-pictures-of-captured-u-s-sailors-crying/

    WTF.

    Colonel Haiku (0490b7)

  28. Steve–

    There are some classic hallmarks of Mussolini-style fascism (and since he coined the term, it’s a reasonable standard to use).

    1. Nationalism. This included racial exclusion and territorial expansion long with the economic components.
    2. Dictatorship. Trump may not be this, I’ll grant you, but he exhibits all the habits of Obama in this regard, but more so. He can be expected to assume even more authority into the executive.
    3. Strong central government. Trump shows no intention of doing anything about the grasp of the federal government. Quite the contrary.
    4. Corporatist economics and crony government. Do you really doubt this?
    5. Age and gender bias. Men will do better. Young men will do better still. Witless young men will do best of all.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  29. just like he wasn’t going to win Iowa… even campaigning against the states ethanol bread winner?
    Just like he was going to place 6th in NH a f’ed up state…. He placed third in a state he shouldn’t have place at all if you look at the demographics. Cruz is the way, the truth and the light. Cruz is the only beacon of light in the vast darkness that is DC. Cruz has been inside the beltway since 2012 FIFHTING AGAINST THE REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE BEEN IN BED WITH THE DEMOCRATS. He knows how easy it will be to TURN THIS BUS AROUND!

    JRT (bc7456)

  30. Again, voxsplain me this.

    Sure, right after you freepsplain half your beliefs, if you want to trade stupid insults.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  31. 27… IRAN will get put back under the rock they came from when Cruz carpet stomps them.

    JRT (bc7456)

  32. Gabriel Hanna, where is the quote from in comment #4?

    Nationalism, Crony Captial + Crony Labor + Crony Government (the three fasces), with a tinge of white male dominance and repression of Hispanics.

    I’m a white male and I don’t dominate or repress anyone. Your anti white and anti male bigotry is showing. Leftists and moslems want to dominate and repress people. One for political power and one for religious power. And leftists and moslems come in all colors and both sexes.

    Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27)

  33. Obama,anyone?

    Well, yes, to some extent. Different preferred classes, but yes. Does not mean I want more.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  34. feet, I liked Trump too at one point for his bulldozing mouth. I liked when he and Ted were on the same plate… But when Trump showed his azz and then used Palin to gang up on Cruz he showed his true dealer mentality. He wont work and the reason Ted has disassociated himself from Trump and the riff raff.

    JRT (bc7456)

  35. Just so you know, Kevin M, there are three races: Caucasian, African and Asian. Guess which “Hispanics” fall under? You’re confusing ethnicity with race.

    Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27)

  36. I’m a white male and I don’t dominate or repress anyone.

    I did not say you did. I was talking about Trump and what he stands for. And part of that is a resurgence of the traditional male role, and within that, the Anglo* male role.


    *as opposed to the Mexican male role for folks that need that spelled out

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  37. I really love it when people with no argument fall back into petty semantics.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  38. I really doubt there will be a runoff that hits the house. The reason is that you need a real third party candidate to have votes in order to get under the required 270 electoral votes. In order to get those votes, you need to be on the ballot. If you haven’t noticed, this month or earlier were the filing deadlines for most states for both D and R. So if by the end of the month, you are not registered, there is no way you would be a viable candidate.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Important_dates_in_the_2016_presidential_race

    Check out the maps. More than 50% of the states you had to register before February 1, 2016 so those are all out. Another 30% are due before February 29, 2016.

    JeffreyL (2eddb6)

  39. You used the term “with a tinge of white male dominance and repression of Hispanics.” That assumes white males try and repress ad dominate Hispanics. I’m a white male and your bigotry insulted me and all other white males. Looks like Kevin M may be a racist. It’s not semantics when it’s true.

    Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27)

  40. Nope, there are four races: Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid and Austroloid.

    nk (dbc370)

  41. Sounding more than a little like Donald Trump — and that’s not mere coincidence — Bernie bellows that he remembers a time when you could walk into a department store and “buy things made in the U.S.A.”…

    He started to use the word YUGE. That started on Saturday Night Live.

    Sammy Finkelman (643dcd)

  42. I’m not a white male, but Its a crime how the media and culture and cronies of DC have denigrated and taken away their fair share of competition from the rest in the race of life. If you are ethnic and a woman the world is at your feet? This is unfair and politically damaging to all on the playing field…. Ted Cruz want to level the playing field and can be proactive and not just spout off like he is running a talk show/ reality show… as we see with Trump

    JRT (bc7456)

  43. “I really love it when people with no argument fall back into petty semantics.”

    – Kevin M

    No, see, they’re making super-important points! There are only three “races” – Caucasian, African, and Asian – and “Mexican” isn’t one of them! So how can I be a “racist” just because I don’t like Mexicans?!

    QED, bro. You really need to buff up on your taxonomy of bigotry.

    Leviticus (efada1)

  44. #39 Jeffrey L,

    I think you got a little confused regarding the filing deadlines for an independent candidate. According to the article in the link below, the state with the earliest filing date is South Dakota on April 26. So Bloomberg’s got a little time to consider it.
    http://www.ibtimes.com/election-2016-can-michael-bloomberg-still-enter-presidential-race-2299097

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  45. 40. You used the term “with a tinge of white male dominance and repression of Hispanics.” That assumes white males try and repress ad dominate Hispanics. I’m a white male and your bigotry insulted me and all other white males. Looks like Kevin M may be a racist. It’s not semantics when it’s true.

    Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/10/2016 @ 9:36 am

    It’s a fact. Most Hispanic men are in fact white. Fidel Castro is no more not white than some kielbasa baby in Pittsburgh. His father was from Galicia. Which is in Spain. Which, last I checked, is full of white people.

    Kevin, you can accuse me of being petty or resorting to semantics all you want. That you keep repeating something doesn’t make it true.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  46. #43… although it feels like gargling razor blades, teh young counselor is correct.

    Colonel Haiku (0490b7)

  47. For those that do not like Cruz because of his strong faith, just know that he would be the first to defend your freedom to chose how you live your life because he values his own freedoms.

    JRT (bc7456)

  48. But there will soon be a 4th… Teh Humanoid… who will make us ALL slaves.

    Colonel Haiku (0490b7)

  49. 43. …No, see, they’re making super-important points! There are only three “races” – Caucasian, African, and Asian – and “Mexican” isn’t one of them! So how can I be a “racist” just because I don’t like Mexicans?!

    QED, bro. You really need to buff up on your taxonomy of bigotry.
    Leviticus (efada1) — 2/10/2016 @ 9:46 am

    I really don’t understand how you think. Please explain how Fidel Castro is more authentic because his dad was a plantation owner originally from Galicia while I’m less authentic because my dad was Senior Chief in the USCG whose family originated from Campania.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  50. I preferred America when we executed communists, not elected them to the highest office in the land.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  51. I’m white. Hispanics are not.

    How the h3ll does this work?

    Oh, oh, it’s bigotry to mention Spaniards are just as white as Italians.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  52. Because, Spanish!

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  53. Everybody who thinks Spanish was the original language of the Aztecs, wave your hands in the air like you don’t care.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  54. To paraphrase Tucker Carlson, the GOPe has spent the last quarter century ignoring their constituents’ wishes on immigration . If you spend that long precluding and denigrating the beliefs of your supposed base, don’t be shocked when said base reacts positively to someone who doesn’t treat their wishes and beliefs like crazy verboten. If you prefer to babble about “nation of immigrants” and “free trade” or clamor for more badly-fought Middle Eastern wars or some other Luntz-tested buzz words, good luck with that. Nobody ever succeeded in anything telling their target market they are idiots forever. And that is how you get Trump.

    Bugg (db3a97)

  55. I actually expect better from you guys. Could you please just wait until I say something bigoted before you call me a bigot? I couldn’t care less if the illegal immigration was coming from Mexico or Sweden. Or, if they were from my original country.

    My family left that h3ll hole for a reason. We didn’t want to be dragging a lot of the same crap with us.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  56. The purpose of our immigration system is to benefit this country. It’s the job of every immigrant to show they’ll be a benefit to the US.

    Call me all the names you want.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  57. Call me all the names you want.

    But first, press one for English.

    Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27)

  58. Maybe you have to leave a village full of s*** to appreciate things.

    And, you know what? I didn’t. But I grew up thinking grocery crates was furniture, because that’s what my family had to do to afford Catholic school.

    Where, you know what? There were Black people.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  59. “Could you please just wait until I say something bigoted before you call me a bigot?”

    – Steve57

    Nobody’s talking about “Hispanics” or “Spaniards,” despite your red herring. We’re talking about this season’s Trump Card: Mexicans. Mexicans who are genetically indigenous to the Yucatan Peninsula (despite speaking Spanish), largely brown skinned, and grumpily derided by a bunch of fake conservatives/capitalists who don’t like the fact that the free market has priced them out of their jobs.

    Leviticus (992b04)

  60. Yesterday’s remarkably strong showing by the top outsider candidates in each party clearly demonstrates that the Cartman effect (“Scr*w you guys!”) has become the driving cultural ethos. It’s a sentiment most of us share. Does that make us “nationalists”? Does that make those Democrats who are sickened by the corruption of Clinton and the Democratic Party “socialists”? What a ridiculous claim!
    Once again, Allahpundit proves he is the mouthpiece for the status quo. He’s a conservative only to the extent he wants to conserve the power of the existing bought-and-paid-for political establishment and denigrate the imperfect Jeff Smiths who are the leading proponents of change.

    Of course, if you insist on using the Allahpundit model, I would argue that yesterday’s victory by the “socialists” and “nationalists” came at the expense of the “autocrats” and “mercantilists”. Not such a bad trade-off, is it?

    ThOR (a52560)

  61. Great content along with wonderful blog site.

    partners in crime necklace (e4a043)

  62. 57. But first, press one for English.

    Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27) — 2/10/2016 @ 10:22 am

    I don’t need to press one for English as I actually know what names people are calling me in a wide variety of languages. Russian, Iranian, Chinese, Japanese, the list goes on.

    It’s a proud family tradition. My uncle Tony was in Napoli shortly after the end of WWII. Some Italian guy thought he was slick. He referred to the Americanos as merde de cano. Dog s***, but if you say it fast…

    Uncle Tony was having none of it.

    If I don’t know the language I’ll figure it out.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  63. Socialists always deny they are socialists. “Progressive” is the PC terminology. But, history is reality.
    Fascism was quite popular in the 1930s. Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and a number of other well known Americans spoke up in defense of German and Italian totalitarianism; it was trendy, quite the coming thing. “Make our country great again” always sells with the gullible.

    Luke Stywalker (46b0f3)

  64. “Most New Hampshire GOP Voters Favor Trump’s Call for Muslim Ban, Exit Polls Show”

    Some two-thirds of Republican voters in New Hampshire expressed support for a ban on Muslims entering the United States, an idea espoused by Donald Trump, who was projected to win the state’s primary.

    In response to Trump’s calling for a halt to Muslim entry into the US, a number of his presidential rivals said they did not agree with his proposal.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hampshire-gop-voters-favor-trumps-call-muslim-ban/story?id=36821517

    sound awake (6ad1ec)

  65. 56. Since Barrack Husaine Obama there has not been a legal immigration system at all BO has taken it upon himself to brake the law allowing illegal s to flood the market. In case you are wondering my MS surface wont even allow me to type the word illegal s ….I have to put the s after the word…. WE CAN EVEN TYPE THE WORD ILLEGALS ….WELL THE CAPS ALLOWS IT..First Amendment also robbed by BO.

    JRT (bc7456)

  66. “Intel Community Foresees Worst Year Ever for Jihadi Terror Against U.S.”

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — The latest annual Worldwide Threat Assessment of the U.S. Intelligence Community (IC) indicates that 2016 may be the worst year in history for terrorism, primarily at the hands of Sunni extremist groups such as the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL) and al-Qaeda (AQ).

    Nevertheless, it warns that “foreign fighters who have trained in Iraq and Syria might potentially leverage skills and experience to plan and execute attacks in the West.”

    sound awake (6ad1ec)

  67. Leviticus @59, I understand perfectly well what you’re talking about and if anyone is the bigot it’s you. Not me.

    Have you ever trusted your life to someone named Velazquez?

    Thing is, I don’t see that’s any different from trusting your life to someone named O’Brien. if Velazquez is Afro-Caribbean I still don’t give a s***. But even if Velazquez is Afro-Caribbean that doesn’t magically turn Hispanic into a race.

    In case you haven’t noticed, Leviticus, Trump doesn’t speak for me. I’m a white man. Which means, he doesn’t speak for all white men.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  68. Can somebody voxsplain me how most Hispanic men are not white males?

    Steve57 (f61b03) — 2/10/2016 @ 9:08 am

    I’ll take a shot.

    It’s like the difference between two marbles: One is round and the other is…wait for it…round. Pick one for good. Ergo, the other must be bad (that’s the voxsplain part.)

    More scientifically:

    Out of 3 000 000 000 base pairs of DNA in a human being, roughly, 0.01 % differ between any two people. Between Europeans, that trivial difference is even, well, more trivial.

    There are no multiple races of humans, scientifically speaking (at least in modern times, one could make an argument for the Neanderthals.)

    https://www.quora.com/Are-there-genetic-differences-between-races
    Humans do show some phenotypic and genotypic variation by geographical origin. Geographic isolation after human migrations, and natural or sexual selection, have resulted in some alleles being more frequent in some groups that in others, and ancestry determines the distribution of these gene variants, but this is only for a few genes. That is basically the whole concept of “race” from a biological point of view. It is a fuzzy one, because there is no precise demarcation between ethnic groups, as humans have been migrating and moving around the globe for a long time, in different migratory waves. In today’s world, with globalization and relatively easy world travel, geographic isolation is a diminishing parameter.

    In the modern world, the term race is solely a political/social construct.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  69. Oops, the paragraph after the quora link is a direct quote from that article.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  70. racism srsly?

    this is why we need Mr. Trump to help us make America great again imho

    he embraces all Americans including you cause we’re all brothers and sisters in his eyes

    happyfeet (831175)

  71. New Hampshire vote
    Sanders 60%
    Clinton 38%

    new Hampshire delegates
    Sanders 13
    Clinton 15

    According to Politico – Clinton won the delegate count in New Hamphire

    Joe - From Texas (debac0)

  72. The Nazi reference is supposed to end the thread, not begin it.

    And it’s supposed to be interjected by a wild eyed crazy in the peanut gallery.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  73. I’m hesitant to say some of my best friends were black. But, some of them were. Am I not supposed to acknowledge them as friends? Or Lopez? Guess what ethnicity he was. Go on, guess.

    Or am I supposed to pretend I can’t see color? I see color just fine. I couldn’t have passed the flight physical if I couldn’t see color.

    It’s because I see color I know the vast majority of Hispanics are just as white as me.

    But I digress; you just never know. If you were on the USS Stark or the Cole, and you were on fire after the explosion, would you care what color your shipmate was? Or if they’re a different color, which Hispanics ARE NOT. And I’m fine with this.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  74. You enter any of the candidates names in the search box at Bing and you get this;
    Bing 2016 primaries

    And exactly what’s wrong with American politics. It says Hillary, who has won exactly nothing, who was awarded Iowa by coin flip done in a back room, it says she is leading Bernie Sanders 394 delegates to 44.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  75. …Mexicans. Mexicans who are genetically indigenous to the Peninsula…

    Leviticus, have you ever met a Mexican? Say from Sonora or Nuevo Leon?

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  76. Did you undertake my meaning?

    Not advocating for Bernie Sanders by any means. It’s just democrats are supposed to be all about the fair shake, one person one vote, the biggest mob wins.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  77. Explains clearly how we got stuck with a dirty piece of America hating trash like Foodstamp twice.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  78. #71: Not surprisingly, the Democrat primaries have been thoroughly fixed to assure the desired outcome. Each state has “superdelegates” of party insiders, and they can cast their votes as they best know how, meaning follow the money. In NH, there are nine superdelegates, and they all have thrown in with Hillary!? . So Bernie got 13 delegate from the election, which may increase to 15 once the votes are counted, Hillary!? earned (?) 6. This will continue until almost all the Democrat base is thoroughly disgusted.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  79. I preferred America when we executed communists

    When was that? There has never been such a time. The constitution protects communists just as it does Christians or anyone else with an unpopular opinion.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  80. Hyperbole is always fun.

    Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86)

  81. Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid… I think. But they’re said to have traced us all back to a tiny village in Kenya.

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  82. In case you are wondering my MS surface wont even allow me to type the word illegal s ….I have to put the s after the word….

    It’s not MS, it’s the English language that does not allow adjectives to be pluralized.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  83. I’m hesitant to say some of my best friends were black. But, some of them were.

    The whole “some of my best friends” thing has been completely twisted from its original meaning. “Some of my best friends are black” became a punchline because the people saying it always turned out not to have any actual black friends. They were thinking of employees, underlings, or casual acquaintances. Actually having friends of a particular kind is evidence that one is not bigoted against that kind of people.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  84. Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 2/10/2016 @ 10:54 am

    A very big Thank you, Pons. You saved me the trouble.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  85. Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid… I think. But they’re said to have traced us all back to a tiny village in Kenya.

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4) — 2/10/2016 @ 11:40 am

    So back at the dawn of time a white guy appeared in a tiny village in Kenya and was immediately pushed out all the way to Europe so Kenyans could have a safe space.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  86. canada crud a sociopath like tricky dick nixon without nixon’s charm. nixon hughes tool loan canada crud goldman sachs loan.

    trumpets (f4a28e)

  87. Felipe, right back at you — cannot count the number of times you took the words right out of my keyboard and saved me the trouble.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  88. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  89. #79: Milhouse, when was that? About nine years after Julius Rosenberg gave the Soviet Union plans for the atom bomb, he and his wife, Ethel, were executed. Ethel was likely innocent, but false testimony coerced out her bother-in-law with the knowledge of the prosecuting team did the trick at the trial. The gang that admitted their guilt were let off with terms that are comparable to what’s been given to the Hammonds for setting backfires to protect their property in Oregon.

    So you are essentially correct, simply providing confidential secrets about lesser matters to the Soviets was given a big wink. And admitting your guilt was a get-out-of-jail sometime card. Not so our environmental warriors in today’s EPA and BLM. They will crush all who dare to defy them.

    BobStewartatHome (a52abe)

  90. The Nazi reference is supposed to end the thread, not begin it.

    Only people who are ignorant of the term “fascism” equate it with Naziism.

    Kevin M (074019)

  91. #79: Milhouse, when was that? About nine years after Julius Rosenberg gave the Soviet Union plans for the atom bomb, he and his wife, Ethel, were executed.

    There was a time when we executed enemy spies. In principle we still do, we just haven’t done it in a while. There has never been a time when we executed communists.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  92. The Nazi reference is supposed to end the thread, not begin it.

    Only people who are ignorant of the term “fascism” equate it with Naziism.

    If you’ve forgotten the post we’re supposedly commenting on, it’s all the way up top where you can read it again.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  93. By the way, a “Mexican” can be pure bred Spanish and if you insist on the mindless division into races*, they would be Caucasian. They could also be pretty much pure-bread indigenous Central American, which is to say Asian**.

    ___
    *I do not believe I ever used the term race, but whatever
    **Unless you are a young-Earth Creationist.

    Kevin M (074019)

  94. Thank you Milhouse. I had apparently riffed off of that while discarding it from my mind.

    Kevin M (074019)

  95. My apologies to papertiger.

    Kevin M (074019)

  96. milhouse the four kent state students were communists.

    trumpets (f4a28e)

  97. Thank you Milhouse. I knew one of his nit picks would roll my way eventually.

    (Well, I didn’t know. Hoped is the word.)

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  98. trumpets, say ‘hello!’ to Perry for us.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  99. crud suppository we don’t need a nixon without the charm. what is the difference between the hughes tool loan to nixon and the goldman sachs loan to canadian citizen crud>

    trumpets (f4a28e)

  100. http://www.amazon.com.au/Americas-First-Clash-Iran-1987-88-ebook/dp/B004DI7R3S

    In May 1987 the US frigate Stark, calmly sailing the waters of the Persian Gulf, was suddenly blown apart by an Exocet missile fired from an Iraqi jet fighter. A fifth of the ship’s crew was killed and many others horribly burned or wounded. This event jumpstarted one of the most mysterious conflicts in American history: “The Tanker War,” waged against Iran for control of the Persian Gulf…

    Two Exocets, actually. From close range, too, which meant the one Exocet which warhead didn’t explode did the most damage as it punched it’s jet engine almost fully fueled into a berthing space. It had lots of fuel left. Which is why the sailors were incinerated.

    I don’t care if your name is Sven or Jose or Inyati. if you pull me out of that fire, my next kid will be named after you.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  101. They could also be pretty much pure-bread indigenous Central American, which is to say Asian**.

    ___
    **Unless you are a young-Earth Creationist.

    Kevin M (074019) — 2/10/2016 @ 12:10 pm

    What does that have to do with being a young-Earth Creationist?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  102. No problemo Kevin. It’s primary season. We’re supposed to throw mud at each other.

    It’s tradition.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  103. Captain cuckservative Gowdy says Marco is the best chance.
    This from someone who could not bring down bill’s wife.
    sad and sickening response.

    mg (31009b)

  104. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oUtJxE4sjs

    MSG Roy Benavidez speech 1991

    When he arrived at the triage station, Benevidez only managed to convince the medic who was zipping up the body bag that he wasn’t dead by spitting in his face.

    I learn something new every day.

    Apparently I hate Mexicans, they’re all brown, and they only live in the Yucatan.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  105. Fiorina and Christy are both out of the race. Smart on their part not to waste money

    JRT (bc7456)

  106. What does that have to do with being a young-Earth Creationist?

    No time for a 10,000 year old migration.

    Kevin M (074019)

  107. I wonder if Gilmore is thinking this opens the door for his big chance?

    Sorry to see Carly drop out. ABC and the RNC screwed her. I truly think that Mr Priebus should be fired tomorrow, but I’ve thought he should be fired tomorrow for a while now.

    Kevin M (074019)

  108. Who can blame Fiorina after seeing Ca-sick pull a second in a primary…. America is just not all there.

    JRT (bc7456)

  109. Smart on their part not to waste money

    What money?

    Kevin M (074019)

  110. i love them gone it’s less poopers

    happyfeet (831175)

  111. Rinse And-repeat….. what, who, why does he have a job remotely close to what is supposed to be a conservative party…. Sorry for the OT….people that hate a rant.

    JRT (bc7456)

  112. Just so people know who’s side I’m on in this primary:

    1. ABT.
    2. The only one I’ve given money to is Fiorina. I give up these things grudgingly. I preferred her on a few issues where she differs from Cruz and Rubio, mainly on matters that speak to experience which neither of them have.

    Kevin M (074019)

  113. *whose

    I hate it when I do that

    Kevin M (074019)

  114. o back at the dawn of time a white guy appeared in a tiny village in Kenya and was immediately pushed out all the way to Europe so Kenyans could have a safe space.

    papertiger (c2d6da) — 2/10/2016 @ 11:56 am

    “… and, lo, they named him Mitch Ryder, and he was good.”

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  115. Actually, ABTBNK.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  116. Kevin M, I like Carly quite a bit too. Cruz, Rubio, and Carly are my top three. I also liked Bobby Jindal, though he never got any traction. It seems like bombast is what’s selling these days.

    Keep in mind, Trump got only 35% last night. That means 65% didn’t consider him their first choice. As many candidates withdraw, I imagine a majority of the supporters of withdrawn candidates will likely coalesce around the remaining ‘anybody not named Trump’ candidates.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  117. Hey, let’s all join in the stereotyping.

    http://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/asakusa-samba-carnival

    The Asakusa Samba Carnival is one of Tokyo’s more lively and popular summer festivals. It attracts 500,000 visitors each year.

    The festival has been held at the end of August since 1981. The one exception was 2011 when the festival was canceled due to the impact of the 2011 Tohoku earthquake.

    Samba is a surprisingly common hobby in Tokyo. Brazil is home to the largest Japanese community outside Japan. As a result, there are strong cultural ties between the two countries…

    Ok, Mexico isn’t Brazil.

    But like Brazil, Mexico is chock full of people who aren’t Aztecs or Incas or Yanomami.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  118. Kevin M, I like Carly quite a bit too…

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/10/2016 @ 1:06 pm

    Whoever wins the Republican nomination will be doing himself and the country a huge disservice if Carly Fiorina isn’t part of the administration.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  119. What does that have to do with being a young-Earth Creationist?

    No time for a 10,000 year old migration.

    Kevin M (074019) — 2/10/2016 @ 12:46 pm

    I think most people would say 10,000 years or thereabouts is a young earth.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  120. there’s no such thing as John Kasich

    happyfeet (831175)

  121. your money Kevin M. if you are giving…..

    There was a report today that disclosed how much each candidate’s spent in votes they’ve received. Bush, Kasich and Rubio’s were over $1,500 a vote Cruz was $18.00 and Trump was like $50.00

    JRT (bc7456)

  122. 120. there’s no such thing as John Kasich

    happyfeet (831175) — 2/10/2016 @ 1:15 pm

    If only that were true.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  123. it’s what i believe

    happyfeet (831175)

  124. Carly’s voters will go to Cruz or Rubio and could probably settle with either.

    I find Cruz a bit of a cold fish and unwilling to listen to other opinions. Principle is one thing, obstinate is another. He’s also unwilling to take half a loaf when the whole loaf is unavailable. That’s counter-productive. He seems to think that the old preexisting-condition exclusion in individual medial policies was no big deal, possibly because corporate and government policies don’t have them. But it is life-threatening to older Americans, and they will vote on that one single issue.

    Rubio is a little too slick, a little too willing to make a deal in a back room and lie to the camera. His H1-B position is terrible and speaks to either a willful ignorance of how scoundrels operate or favoring scoundrels. Cruz should exploit this. I think I prefer Rubio’s take on the illegals (if I could pin them down), as Cruz’ position is status quo ante plus a wall, which isn’t a real answer. But neither is amnesty. If anyone gets to stay, the penalties have got to suck.

    But you can’t always get what you want, and my discomfort with either is FAR

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  125. Can Fiorina make pancakes?

    mg (31009b)

  126. I think most people would say 10,000 years or thereabouts is a young earth.

    A traditional YEC would say the earth is 6020 years old.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  127. plus roobs wants to draft young girls and force them to do unspeakable things

    happyfeet (831175)

  128. Sooner or later the Neanderthals here are going to have to get their heads right. Trump is the future of American politics. He’s the man, and the good citizens of this nation know it, even if the naysayers can’t quite bring themselves to let go of antiquated notions of their own omniscience.

    ropelight (20b273)

  129. But you can’t always get what you want, and my discomfort with either is FAR from what it is with any of the others. Trump, well I’d have to vote absentee and I’d lie about it. Kasich pretty much the same but I’d have to shower afterwards. Bush I could tolerate but he’d lose to Clinton. Any of them not named Trump would beat Bernie in a landslide.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  130. Trump is the future of American politics.

    God help us.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  131. He’s the man, and the good citizens of this nation know it,

    Not. a. good. citizen.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  132. Suck it up, Kevin. Uncle Sam needs you.

    ropelight (20b273)

  133. 126. Can Fiorina make pancakes?

    mg (31009b) — 2/10/2016 @ 1:31 pm

    Which reminds me, I don’t care if a woman is Guatemalan or whatever as long as she says nice things about my French Toast.

    You could be on the Swedish Bikini Team and it just wouldn’t matter if you insult my French Toast. On the other hand you get bonus points if you say nice things about my French Toast and you’re a member of the Swedish Bikini Team.

    I am willing to entertain certain well-considered criticisms of my culinary skills, but not of the French Toast.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  134. This is interesting.

    http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/

    Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote
    From the crime bill to welfare reform, policies Bill Clinton enacted—and Hillary Clinton supported—decimated black America.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  135. Suck it up, Kevin. Uncle Sam needs you.

    I stood for the draft in 1974. One time deal.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  136. ropelight, I bet several times a week, you tell your wife, “I never said that!”
    (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  137. My Zabaione and Pere al Vino Rosso are also off limits.

    They’re perfect just the way they are. End of story.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  138. Swedish pancakes are excellent with bikinis.

    mg (31009b)

  139. http://memoriediangelina.com/2009/12/30/pere-al-vino-rosso/#.VruwJdB5nIU

    Ingredients

    1 pear per person, peeled
    1/2 bottle of red wine, or enough to cover the pears
    100g (4 oz) sugar
    A stick of cinnamon and/or a few cloves
    A strip of lemon or orange zest

    Directions

    You peel your pears—one per serving—leaving on the stem if the pear has one. Then place them snugly in a saucepan with just enough room to hold the pears in a single layer. Pour on about half a bottle of red wine (or more, depending on the size of the pan and how many pears you have). Ideally, the wine should cover the pears, but if not, you always turn the pears as they cook. Then add sugar—quite a bit of sugar, as you want to create a syrup: about 100g (one cup) or more for 4 pears. Add, too, a stick of cinnamon and some cloves, and if you like, some lemon or orange zest.

    Allow the pears to simmer for about 20 minutes, turning them if need be so that they cook and color evenly, until they are quite tender but not falling apart. (You can use a paring knife to check if they are done.) Remove the pears onto a shallow serving bowl or plate, and continue to simmer the wine until has reduced into a syrupy consistency, then strain and pour over the pears. Allow the pears cool in their red wine sauce before serving.

    Ah, but the secret to making Pere al Vino Rosso is in using the Anise seeds.

    Lots of people don’t know this. Which is why my Pere al Vino Rosso is perfect.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  140. Kevin you should at least read or download this:

    Cruz is not going to stand with Trump unless Trump shares his values as a person representing the people he is working for.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwj15pmJ2-3KAhWMOCYKHbqMCswQFgguMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audible.com%2Fpd%2FBios-Memoirs%2FA-Time-for-Truth-Audiobook%2FB00V97FGMK&usg=AFQjCNEl2s96C9xrNqNCoc7xI1pab0hXcw

    many don’t like Cruz because he is a man of faith. But he will fight for the freedoms of all legal citizen no matter what faith or nonfaith they choose

    JRT (bc7456)

  141. If you lived and worked in Manhattan in the 80’s, you know the cast of characters who stirred the pot that was Steady Eddie Koch’s Big Apple stew: Gotti, Helmsley, Steinbrenner and Trump- seasoned with a little Yogi, Billy, Reggie and Goetz, of course. You ain’t lived ’til you’ve battled for a cab at 58th and Madison in a snowstorm.

    Rich times. A gilded era. When Wall Street pugs peddled junk bonds, lit stogies with $100 bills and Walkman-clutching yuppies crowded F trains clad in power ties, sneakers and anything Laura Ashley. The town ticked faster than its own New York minutes and oozed money. Bold. Brash. Ballsy. Bombastic. Big, proud and tough. Capitalism at full throttle. That was Noo Yawk in the 1980’s… quite literally Reagan’s ‘shining city on a hill’ by the Hudson. The city everybody west of Hoboken loves to hate.

    The second hardest job in America is being mayor of the City of New York. And Trump managed to build successful enterprises through good times and the bad times before it working with seven very different characters: Lindsay, Beame, Koch, Dinkins, Giuliani, Bloomberg and De Blasio.

    Citizen Trump is Capitalist Trump. A pragmatist. Not an ideologue. And a very, very smart guy. Which scares the crap out of lesser minded right wing zealots frozen in time who’ll be debased when he is elected. And like all ‘real’ Americans, Trump likes to win. And isn’t afraid to say so, eh Ted? Trump will draw crossover. Hire smart people. And get things done. Because Hillary is a looza. And he’ll make American politics fun again.

    Right now America needs a little New York attitude at the helm. To shake things up. Get things moving. To make America great again. Some Bogart and Cagney. Some Groucho for flavor with a dash of crazy Walken for zest. Throw in a little in-your-face De Niro as well. Tex-O-Canadians like Cruz just don’t get it. And never will. But Putin does. China does. And Isis will.

    If you pine for the go-go days of Reagan, of ‘Wall Street’ and ‘Working Girl’… Trump’s your man. The host appears to be more of a Lemmon. Jack Lemmon. An ‘Out-Of-Towner.’ Bewildered. Bitter. And a little sour. Following from home in a ‘Twin Oaks, Ohio’ rather than leading from a penthouse on 56th and Fifth.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  142. 139. Swedish pancakes are excellent with bikinis.

    mg (31009b) — 2/10/2016 @ 1:49 pm

    Thanks for the tip. I’ll have to try that.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  143. Sooner or later the Neanderthals here are going to have to get their heads right. Trump is the future of American politics. He’s the man, and the good citizens of this nation know it, even if the naysayers can’t quite bring themselves to let go of antiquated notions of their own omniscience.

    ropelight (20b273) — 2/10/2016 @ 1:35 pm

    You’ve got another Drudge poll for us?

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  144. “Byron York: Decisive Trump victory sends GOP establishment reeling”

    And what an astonishingly varied group of voters Trump attracted. At his victory celebration in Manchester Tuesday night, I met a young woman, Alexis Chiparo, who four years ago was an Obama-voting member of MoveOn.org. Now she is the Merrimack County chair of the Trump campaign.

    “We just delivered Concord!” Chiparo told me excitedly. “We were getting a really excellent response from a very interesting swath of voters — veterans, disabled people, elderly people, women, blue-collar workers.”

    They were joined, it appears, by an even wider group of their fellow New Hampshirites. According to exit polls, Trump won among men, and he won among women. He won all age groups. All income groups. Urban, suburban, rural. Every issue group. Gun owners and non-gun owners. Voters who call themselves very conservative and those who call themselves moderates.

    In short, TRUMP WON EVERYBODY.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-decisive-trump-victory-sends-gop-establishment-reeling/article/2582918

    sound awake (6ad1ec)

  145. nice pear reduction…. would be good with a pancake or crêpes…

    JRT (bc7456)

  146. how do you use the anise seeds do you simmer them in the syrup

    nobody tells me anything

    happyfeet (831175)

  147. Moderation, Patterico?

    ‘Still Crazy After All These Years.’

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  148. 143. I heard a report today that the MSM has hard core material that will take apart Trump but they are waiting until he wins the primary to expose because Hillary wants this to be what she runs up against. Trump will swiftly be turned into the bully and she will cry victim. Only Cruz can skin Hillary and walk away smelling like roses without breaking a sweat.

    JRT (bc7456)

  149. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pinZNYxQeo

    Trump may be popular now but how many people will show up for him in the general…. Not Iowa

    JRT (bc7456)

  150. star anise is very strong so use little at first. fish them out after reducing…. they are the side of a dime.

    JRT (bc7456)

  151. 143, Gerald asked, You’ve got another Drudge poll for us?

    Polls, smolls, you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

    ropelight (20b273)

  152. oh you can use the star ones

    i need those anyways for something i can’t remember now

    happyfeet (831175)

  153. More wine, JRT, and skip the pears, and you’re on your way to tasty hot mulled wine.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  154. not a big warm wine drinker. I prefer Prosecco or a dry white. I find the red wines give me headaches… but the whites dont bother me.

    JRT (bc7456)

  155. The original recipe posted doesn’t call for anise. Anise is licorice flavor so the lemon and orange would not work with the anise imo

    JRT (bc7456)

  156. From 144:

    a young woman, Alexis Chiparo, who four years ago was an Obama-voting member of MoveOn.org. Now she is the Merrimack County chair of the Trump campaign.

    No big surprise, not much of a transition there.

    Luke Stywalker (46b0f3)

  157. 149. star anise is very strong so use little at first. fish them out after reducing…. they are the side of a dime.

    JRT (bc7456) — 2/10/2016 @ 2:05 pm

    That was just some recipe I got off the internet. I have my own, passed down to me from my sainted grandmother.

    So the part about the star anise seed slipped by me. I use the regular kind found in the Mediterranean.

    But you’re right. Don’t use too much, or too long. Work up. As they say, season to taste.

    I suppose if I was really creative I’d use anisette. The thought just occurred to me.

    How could it hurt, adding anisette to hot mulled wine? Or really, what isn’t improved by adding anisette to it?

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  158. Steve57- Last time I had them was here.
    http://ballinacurra.com

    mg (31009b)

  159. 154. …Anise is licorice flavor so the lemon and orange would not work with the anise imo

    JRT (bc7456) — 2/10/2016 @ 2:20 pm

    Concur. I made a huge tactical error in linking to that particular recipe as it implied I was endorsing it or using any part of it.

    Sorry.

    My point was I don’t use a recipe you can find on the internet to make Pere al Vino Rosso.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  160. i like the anisette idea

    happyfeet (831175)

  161. Hillary, the movie she had banned. check it out on YouTube…. And this happened before her current day scandals…. She is like a cat with 9 lives.

    JRT (bc7456)

  162. Just type: Hilary The movie, and watch it on YouTube …scary

    JRT (bc7456)

  163. steve, no biggie…. everyone has their own taste for things…. that’s why there is choc. vanilla, and strawberry…. to each his own.

    JRT (bc7456)

  164. 159. i like the anisette idea

    happyfeet (831175) — 2/10/2016 @ 2:32 pm

    Added bonus.

    If a woman pours anisette into my wine, in just a short while I am really really not going to care if she’s from Mexico.

    As an aside, if I let her get that close to my wine, I prolly didn’t care she was from Mexico anyway.

    Fight racism!

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  165. Five diners in S.C. lay off help due to Christie’s departure.

    mg (31009b)

  166. senorita nice lady

    happyfeet (831175)

  167. Will Jeb have his father parachute in to a town hall meeting?

    mg (31009b)

  168. Polls, smolls, you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

    Look out kid
    Don’t matter what you did
    Walk on your tiptoes
    Don’t try “No-Doz”
    Better stay away from those
    That carry around a fire hose
    Keep a clean nose
    Watch the plain clothes
    You don’t need a weatherman
    To know which way the wind blows

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  169. It blows from Vichy.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  170. 165. senorita nice lady

    happyfeet (831175) — 2/10/2016 @ 2:41 pm

    I come from a long line of greasy Mediterranean olive pickers myself, so the idea that because I’m against illegal immigration means I’m somehow prejudiced against Mexicans I find hilarious.

    So, yes, senorita nice lady. Some of them. Some aren’t. They’re people like anyone else.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  171. “Byron York: Decisive Trump victory sends GOP establishment reeling”

    And what an astonishingly varied group of voters Trump attracted. At his victory celebration in Manchester Tuesday night, I met a young woman, Alexis Chiparo, who four years ago was an Obama-voting member of MoveOn.org. Now she is the Merrimack County chair of the Trump campaign.

    Wow! A die hard democrat! That’s like President Carter endorsing Trump. For all the easy jokes I could make, I really don’t think they would like Trump’s presidency that much. Maybe this is a celebrity thing? Obama was the cool counter-culture choice last time, but this year it’s Trump?

    At any rate, York’s headline is right. Cruz and Trump doing so well in the first couple of races shows that the establishment of the GOP has lost the party. I used to say that I feel the GOP is my political opponent, yet I vote for many Republicans. I think a lot of people have that feeling these days. Rubio is a perfect example of what conservatives are tired of.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  172. Cruz reeeeeeally needs Carson to drop out immediately if he is to win SC. That would give him a bump of at least 7 points. Wake the F up, Ben. Do you want the Donald to win the nom?!

    Christie’s poor showing, and now dropping out, hurts Cruz. Ted was not losing any voters to CC. CC was great for trashing Rubio and others, and he would never effectively lay a glove on Ted in a debate setting. Yes, CC would not be in this next debate anyway, but he would be in others down the road.

    Sad to see Carly call it a day but it is likely for the best.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  173. Can’t imagine having a daughter date a burnie supporter.

    mg (31009b)

  174. Christy needed to do damage control in NJ as he is barely hanging on to his governors mansion.

    JRT (bc7456)

  175. How come no one wants to talk about Ted’s great work at the Federal Trades Commission?

    mg (31009b)

  176. Military vote will be a player in S.C.

    mg (31009b)

  177. Carson is only holding on to get back at Cruz and be used by Trump to hurt Cruz. CNN reported Carson’s agenda and then Carson felt bad for those that were using his campaign as a job. Remember at the time CNN reported Carson leaving half of Carson’s staff left to go work for Cruz because they needed the job. Carson is just pizzed that Cruz took his people. Plus Carson went off on some rant about one of the staffers dying….. Well, he’s a doc. People die every day…. not like any of us have a guarantee on life…. Carson is pathetic imo

    JRT (bc7456)

  178. you go to war with the electorate you have, not the one you want,

    narciso (732bc0)

  179. Trump won among men,
    Trump won among women.
    Trump won all age groups.
    All income brackets.
    Urban, suburban,
    Field and stream

    Every issue. with a tissue.
    Gun owners both long gun and short
    wheel guns and heel guns
    and pet owners.
    Boomerang throwers.
    conservatives
    moderates.

    It’s a beautiful day.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  180. The MSM has major damaging material on Trump that they are waiting to unfold. The MSM wants their Queen liberal Hilary and they are going to put out a Trump documentary this summer and I’m Sure there will be plenty of Trump material for the taking.

    JRT (bc7456)

  181. JRT, I would hope Carson isn’t that petty. There are bigger things at stake. But I was very disappointed in how Carson didn’t take responsibility for his campaign’s odd statements and behavior in Iowa and after.

    Trump’s said nastier things of Carson than any of the other candidates have.

    How come no one wants to talk about Ted’s great work at the Federal Trades Commission?

    mg (31009b) — 2/10/2016 @ 3:27 pm

    Good question.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  182. Trump didn’t win Iowa…. but well see in SC and then super Tuesday …

    JRT (bc7456)

  183. I liked Trump when he was working with Ted. But when he played politics and paid off Palin to hit Cruz with I was done. I was never a huge Palin fan so this was icing on the cake. I liked Palin until I saw that she was a fame seeker.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pinZNYxQeo

    JRT (bc7456)

  184. When will the bongers of burnie realize they are behind in delegates?

    mg (31009b)

  185. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/12/09/tibor-rubin-holocaust-survivor-korean-war-moh-recipient-dies-86.html

    LOS ANGELES — Tibor Rubin, a Hungarian-born Holocaust survivor who joined the U.S. Army out of gratitude for his liberation from the Nazis, then earned the Medal of Honor for heroism in the Korean War, died of natural causes Saturday in Garden Grove. He was 86.

    Rubin had a Hungarian accent and a Jackie Mason-like sense of humor, said his nephew, Robert Huntly. Rubin’s parents and younger sister were killed by the Nazis, and wounds and starvation had left him disabled. But his comic demeanor betrayed little trace of this history, Huntly said.

    …Rubin endured 14 months in Mauthausen until the concentration camp was liberated by U.S. forces in May 1945. He went to a camp for displaced persons, then to the United States.

    By then, Rubin had “promised myself if the Lord helped me go to America, I’d join the Army,” he told The Times in 2006. He wanted to repay the country for freeing him. He tried twice to join the Army. He twice flunked entry tests because of his poor English.

    He finally succeeded in enlisting in 1948 and was sent to Korea as a rifleman with Company I, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division. In interviews, Rubin described difficulties with a sergeant who used slurs and sent him on dangerous missions.

    In July 1950, he was asked to stay behind on a hill to keep open the Taegu-Pusan Road link as his company withdrew, according to his citation. North Korean regulars attacked at dawn. Rubin repelled them alone. “I didn’t have too much time to get scared, so I went crazy,” he later said.

    Wounded that November, Rubin was captured and sent to a Chinese-run prison camp along the Yalu River on the border of North Korea and Manchuria, said Cohen, whose book is “Single-Handed: The Inspiring True Story of Tibor “Teddy” Rubin — Holocaust Survivor, Korean War Hero and Medal of Honor Recipient” (2015).

    His citation said he rejected his captors’ offers to send him back to Hungary. Remaining a prisoner, he slipped out and broke into storehouses to feed his starving fellow POWs. He also acted as their medic. He had learned desperate arts in the Nazi concentration camp, such as how to use maggots to stop the spread of gangrene, Cohen said. Cohen said Rubin told him that the POW camp was “a cakewalk” compared with Mauthausen…

    I am a deeply flawed individual. One of the more irritating song lyrics I hear on the radio is Depeche Mode singing “I can’t understand What makes a man Hate another man Help me understand…”

    Okay, you’re claiming to be humanity 2.0. You just are so perfect you can’t understand what it’s like to hate. Because you were born without the negative parts of being human.

    Bravo!

    I on the other hand am not perfect.

    I did manage to avoid racial hatred. How could I hate those people when I admired Doris Miller and wanted to learn Krav Maga? It’s almost embarrassing, but when I was about ten somebody had to explain anti-semitism to me. I really didn’t get it. Tibor Rubin didn’t get his MoH until Bush2 because despite the fact that senior officers told him to submit his application for the award, he had a Jooooo hating sergeant who just wouldn’t do it. Because Joooo. Aaron Katz was a pilot in Torpedo 8 who overcame long odds including astigmatism to become a naval aviator. His XO, later CO after Waldron was killed at Midway, hated Joooz. He called Katz his Brooklyn Indian, and otherwise tried to demean him. He wouldn’t fly with Katz in combat.

    But the thing about Katz is he was no quitter. What he liked, and what everyone else in the squadron liked about his ‘tude, was getting his anti-Semitism served straight up. He took everything that Swede Larsen could throw at him, and eventually even Swede Larsen had to respect him.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0719/Navy-s-first-black-pilot-not-forgotten-as-vet-returns-to-North-Korea

    …Hudner, of Fall River, Mass., was a privileged New Englander who was educated at prep school and had been invited to attend Harvard. Brown, of Hattiesburg, Miss., broke the Navy’s color barrier for pilots in 1948, months after President Harry S. Truman ordered the desegregation of the US armed forces.

    It wasn’t an easy role for Brown to take on, Hudner recalled. “People who didn’t know him gave him a hard time just because he was black.”

    But those who got to know Brown grew to respect the serious, unfailingly considerate young man who impressed his peers with his dedication to flying — and his gentle sense of humor.

    “The squadron, almost to a man, protected him any way they could,” Hudner told The Associated Press before his departure, his pale blue eyes sparkling. “He was a friend who, I’d say, was beloved by almost everybody who knew him. A very special person.”

    Late in the afternoon of Dec. 4, 1950, Brown and Hudner were part of a six-plane formation over the Jangjin Reservoir, one like dozens of missions in the months previous.

    This time, ground fire struck Brown’s plane, forcing him to land behind enemy lines. When Brown waved for help from his crumpled, smoking cockpit after slamming into the mountainside, Hudner acted quickly.

    “I thought: ‘My God, I’ve got to make a decision,'” he said. “I couldn’t bear the thought of seeing his plane burst into flames.”

    Hudner crash-landed his plane in high winds and snowy rocks about 100 yards from the downed fighter. As flames engulfed Brown’s plane, and still under the threat of attack, Hudner scrambled to pack the fuselage with snow, burning his hands in the process. He took his cap off and pulled it over Browns’ ears, then radioed for help as Brown remained trapped in the cockpit, bleeding heavily, his leg crushed and his body temperature dropping in the subzero conditions.

    A Marine helicopter arrived, but the pilot and Hudner could not extract Brown from the wreckage.

    Before losing consciousness, his thoughts turned to his wife, whose name he whispered in his last command to Hudner: “If I don’t make it, please tell Daisy I love her.”…

    A privileged New Englander? It’s a strange kind of privilege if it leads you to crash your plane in North Korea to try and save your friend.

    Seriously. If anyone wants to call me a bigot, just don’t make my bigotry up.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  186. God Bless Israel… God Bless Netanyahu

    those who curse Israel will be cursed.

    JRT (bc7456)

  187. Sometimes the only way you’re going to extract someone from the wreckage is if you’re in a shipyard, with a good shipfitter and a cutting torch.

    Hudner and Brown, needless to say, were a long way from a shipyard.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  188. depeche mode, are they a thing, maybe a little less shallow then U2, but more then say Sting,

    narciso (732bc0)

  189. JRT, you’ve been pushing the same meme all day:

    The MSM has major damaging material on Trump that they are waiting to unfold. The MSM wants their Queen liberal Hilary and they are going to put out a Trump documentary this summer and I’m Sure there will be plenty of Trump material for the taking.

    JRT (bc7456) — 2/10/2016 @ 3:36 pm

    Do you have inside information or are you just giving voice to some random intuition? And, why do you think it’s appropriate to bring it up again and again and again?

    ropelight (20b273)

  190. Steve57,

    Have you ever read “In Love and War,” by Jim & Sybil Stockdale? I bet you would really appreciate that book.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  191. What does that have to do with being a young-Earth Creationist?

    No time for a 10,000 year old migration.

    So it was sooner than that. Post-flood, in fact. How does it change the route they took, or their genetic relationship to Asians? Surely you don’t think young-earth creationists believe God created all the races separately and put them where they are now. That’s not what the Bible says.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  192. Dustin – He would seek advice from anyone that had pertinent information about the subject at hand. Democrat or republican it did not matter. I think there was 5 commissioners, two were from the Clinton crew and they agreed on matters all the time. He had a way of working with everyone. He also was for small business on an even playing field when it came to online business. When big companies wanted help from the gov. in regulating small business, he would have none of it. People know very little about this good man.

    mg (31009b)

  193. Bernie Sanders is nothing but a global warming activists. Using fear to control people. Since BO has been president its never been colder. The temps on the East coast have never been colder. We will welcome any warming we can get…. but the weather men just can’t figure it out…. They are great at getting government grants from us tax money to study the weather though.

    JRT (bc7456)

  194. #178: But probably not among Republicans.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  195. @ 189…I am not a big fan of Beck, but since he has endorsed Cruz I see his intelligence. He talked about NBC and other media outlets today on his show that are hoping and waiting for Trump to get the nomination to release the flood of damage they have in him.

    JRT (bc7456)

  196. A traditional YEC would say the earth is 6020 years old.

    Nope. A real traditionalist YEC would say 5774 years, 5 months, and 7 days.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  197. http://www.worldcat.org/title/torpedo-8-the-story-of-swede-larsens-bomber-squadron/oclc/365678

    Swede Larsen was not entirely a bad guy. He had a lot of good qualities. I think just like Larsen ended up respecting Katz, Katz ended up respecting Larsen.

    Larsen probably would have hated my D@go @$$.

    If you’re going to invade injun country, though, you could do a lot worse than flying with Swede Larsen.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  198. Dustin- Ted would seek advice from anyone that had pertinent information about the subject at hand. D or R never mattered. I think there was five commissioners, two were from the Clinton administration and they agreed on matters consistently. He had a way with working with everyone. He also wanted a even playing field when it came to online small business. When major companies wanted regulations to hurt small business to protect their interest. Ted would have none of it. Many examples of his work are available.

    mg (31009b)

  199. Uh, steve, I am pretty sure that — while I think that Trump is a fascist dirtbag who would complete Obama’s destruction of this once-great nation — I have not any person on this blog a racist or fascist or Nazi or anti-Semite, with the possible exception of a troll or two. I note you took offense to something that was said back in your #26, but for the life of me I don’t see what it was.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  200. *I have not CALLED any person…

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  201. #189 ropelight,

    do you remember when CBS tried to tank GW Bush in September 2004 with the faked documents? That was four years after they waited until the weekend prior to Election Day in order to reveal the news that he’d been cited for drunk driving….in 1976.
    And four days before Election Day in 1992, the indictment of Cap Weinberger for Iran-Contra was announced by independent counsel Lawrence Walsh. What timing, huh!?

    It’s kind of funny that someone (you) who casually suggested that George H.W. Bush conspired with the Hinckley family to assassinate Ronald Reagan is demanding that JRT provide evidence that the media might be sitting on an October Surprise for Trump…just.like.they’ve.done.in.the.past. (LOL)

    And it’s not like Trump’s the kind of guy who might have any skeletons in his closet, right?

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  202. http://www.gotquestions.org/BC-AD.html

    It is interesting to note that the purpose of the B.C./A.D. dating system was to make the birth of Jesus Christ the dividing point of world history. However, when the B.C./A.D. system was being calculated, they actually made a mistake in pinpointing the year of Jesus’ birth. Scholars later discovered that Jesus was actually born around 6—4 B.C., not A.D. 1. That is not the crucial issue. The birth, life, ministry, death, and resurrection of Christ are the “turning points” in world history. It is fitting, therefore, that Jesus Christ is the separation of “old” and “new.” B.C. was “before Christ,” and since His birth, we have been living “in the year of our Lord.” Viewing our era as “the year of our Lord” is appropriate. Philippians 2:10–11 says, “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father

    JRT (bc7456)

  203. 190. Steve57,

    Have you ever read “In Love and War,” by Jim & Sybil Stockdale? I bet you would really appreciate that book.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 2/10/2016 @ 3:54 pm

    No, I have to confess I was too deeply invested in my racist Rethuglican h8r h8iness I was too busy reading books by Tameichi Hara and Zenji Orita.

    I’m confident I’ll get around to it, though.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  204. Nope. A real traditionalist YEC would say 5774 years, 5 months, and 7 days.

    Yeah, I hear they’ve not accepted Bishop Ussher yet.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  205. as to allah’s point, there probably isn’t a constituency for classical liberalism, but populist nationalism has certain purchase, it doesn’t mean that trump is a fascist any more then berlusconi,

    narciso (732bc0)

  206. Well Cruz supporter…. there must be good reason Ted didn’t join Trump when asked to be his VP. They were quite chummy there for a while and Ted still speaks respectfully of Trump. Even though Trump would throw him under the bus in a heartbeat as we have seen recently.

    I don’t have confidence that Trump will do what he says he will do when campaigning
    I DO have confidence that Cruz will do what he says he will when campaigning

    JRT (bc7456)

  207. Kevin, I took issue, not offense.

    I hope it’s obvious by now, it’s almost impossible to offend me. And I say almost as it’s always possible for someone to come up with a new thing that nobody has tried on me before.

    I took issue with the idea that Hispanic is a race. It’s not.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  208. Cruz supporter, my follow up was in agreement to your statement ….

    JRT (bc7456)

  209. 205. …I don’t have confidence that Trump will do what he says he will do when campaigning

    I DO have confidence that Cruz will do what he says he will when campaigning

    JRT (bc7456) — 2/10/2016 @ 4:20 pm

    Yes, exactly.

    As far as I’m concerned this is really the only argument for Trump. I know what Hillary! will do. I don’t know what Trump will do. Maybe, it’s just possible, he’ll do what he says he’ll do.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  210. I say Cruz should announce his VP and call it a day

    Then Trump can announce his Palin VP and we can all call it a day…

    JRT (bc7456)

  211. @208 What it is with Trump, and the reason he has the support he has is that his base is mostly disgruntled democrats. Have you seen the YouTube of those two black ladies that go one and on about their love of Trump and the jobs he will be knocking on their doors to give them day one….People in the US really think day one Trump is magically going to create jobs that BO destroyed on his day one…. Nearly a decade of BO will need much more than a Trump mouth. We need to rescind and undo all of the BO damage… the establishments greats fear is to undo BO because it guarantees them job security. Well Cruz wants job security to go back to the people and the states. Trump wont be able to navigate DC and will be very similar to BO as president.

    JRT (bc7456)

  212. As G.W. Bush would say, there is an undermisapprehension of how primaries work. They are composed of two parts: The beauty contest and the vote for pledged delegates. It’s not enough to vote for your candidate at the top of the ballot; you have to keep on going, find the delegates under their own names with the candidate they are pledged to in parentheses next to them, and vote for them. Think of it this way, you are not only voting for Bernie or Hillary, you are also voting for who is going to an all-expenses paid long party in Philadelphia in July.

    nk (dbc370)

  213. it is his birth that makes the demarcation point, so it would be 26 in the roman calendar,

    narciso (732bc0)

  214. And, yes, if precinct captain Kowalski pledged to Bernie is tied with ward committeeman O’Malley pledged to Hillary, it will be decided by a coin flip, and the coin flip is not an improvisation, it is by statute in the election code.

    nk (dbc370)

  215. Heads Hillary wins, tails Hillary wins.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  216. JRT, you’re touching on my racisty racist h8r h8iness again.

    The last thing I’d do is volunteer for the Broden campaign and knock on doors in Oak Cliff because I hate minorities, and they deserve pols like Eddie Bernice Johnson.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  217. I took issue with the idea that Hispanic is a race. It’s not.

    I did not say it was. I perhaps contrasted Hispanics with white, but that’s not the same thing, as Hispanics includes large groups that are often considered “brown”, and “white” is also not a race; Caucasian is a race.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  218. Also I’m skeered of teh black people.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  219. I know what Hillary! will do. I don’t know what Trump will do. Maybe, it’s just possible, he’ll do what he says he’ll do.

    As in: I have to roll boxcars or it’s all over, well, where are the dice?

    Just the same, it’s suboptimum.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  220. “you go to war with the electorate you have, not the one you want,”

    narciso #177

    I agree with this but I don’t believe in the way you intended.

    East Bay Jay (c65ac0)

  221. ropelight wrote (#129)

    Sooner or later the Neanderthals here are going to have to get their heads right. Trump is the future of American politics. He’s the man, and the good citizens of this nation know it, even if the naysayers can’t quite bring themselves to let go of antiquated notions of their own omniscience.

    Let’s break that down, because it’s very Trump-like, except that’ it’s more literate (compete sentences, spell-check performed).

    First, it starts with an insult. Check.

    Next it delivers a vague, content-free assertion, something that’s complete speculation with no support and no history of performance to support it. Check.

    Then it follows with another insult — although it uses a big word (omniscient) in a way that he probably actually intended, which, again, is more literate than Trump. Because he’s speaking mostly to people he’s trying to insult, though, ropelight doesn’t finish with the full Trump, which includes more rapid-fire unsupported assertions, extremely vague but delivered as intensely as possible, like, “It’s gonna be so great,” and “You’ll be thanking me,” and “It will be the best,” yada yada yada.

    But there’s a major deficiency: ropelight, you need to add some more profanity along with your insults, if you’re going to get in full “Trump mode.”

    And frankly, you should stop wasting your time on us Neanderthals. We actually try to marshal facts and arguments, look at history, examine details of past broken promises, and so forth when discussing candidates. When the question is, “What objective facts can you point to which might lead us to believe any of the wild assertions and promises Trump is making?” then you’re left with nothing but insults and more wild assertions.

    Trump’s word is less than meaningless. Your unsupported and insupportable assurances about his greatness are worth less than that.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  222. I see that the Dems have funny primaries. Hillary is 0-1-1 but has 394 delegates to Sanders 42. Karnac the Magnificent sees trouble at the convention.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  223. At least 355 are superdelegates who had committed to her on or before November 2015, and see my comment 212 above.

    nk (dbc370)

  224. My bad, Kevin. I guess I totally misconstrued statements like…

    6. Trump is a classical fascist in the Mussolini tradition. Nationalism, Crony Captial + Crony Labor + Crony Government (the three fasces), with a tinge of white male dominance and repression of Hispanics.

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/10/2016 @ 8:17 am

    And…

    Steve–

    There are some classic hallmarks of Mussolini-style fascism (and since he coined the term, it’s a reasonable standard to use).

    1. Nationalism. This included racial exclusion and territorial expansion long with the economic components.
    2. Dictatorship. Trump may not be this…

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/10/2016 @ 9:13 am

    …to think someone was injecting race into the mix.

    Again, my bad. I don’t know how the h3ll this happened at all.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  225. You know about ’68 and ’72. The Democrats re-redesigned their nomination process to avoid both.

    nk (dbc370)

  226. Apparently Kevin M, they run their primaries against each other the way they run a general election against a Republican. They make up winners and losers as they go along according to their current narrative.

    Rev. Hoagie™® (f4eb27)

  227. In party-lock states, red or blue, the primary is the real election. 2014 Mississippi Senate race?

    nk (dbc370)

  228. 27. Iran publishes pics of captured US sailors crying… http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-publishes-pictures-of-captured-u-s-sailors-crying/

    WTF.

    Colonel Haiku (0490b7) — 2/10/2016 @ 9:10 am

    Words fail me, coronello.

    I managed to make it through 20 years of naval service without crying.

    Not even when the Marine Corp’s most effective anti-Christ/Drill Instructor drew a large circle on one bright hot Florida day and demanded I fill it with sweat.

    Actually, the times I didn’t cry are too numerous to count. I’m just picking one. It would rival War and Peace in length and severity, the book about all the times Steve57 didn’t cry when he was in the Navy.

    WTF happened to my Navy?!?!

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  229. I have to admit, Navy medicine came close to making me cry.

    But never the Iranians.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  230. Thanks, Steve. I certainly feel safer, now. What’s with the shaved heads, BTW? Does the Navy have problems with lice?

    nk (dbc370)

  231. Somewhere I have a picture of a USN F-14 over Chah Bahar. The beautiful thing is, the perspective of the shot is facing out to sea. In other words, it’s taken from well overland.

    You’re welcome.

    P.S. Nobody cried.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  232. Steve, you do not view “ship all the Mexicans back to Mexico” as a policy of racial exclusion? Not even a leeetle bit?

    And I said tinge, rather than hoods and burning crosses. But whatever. If you don’t get the white-male resurgence vibe out of Trump and his crass remarks about women and others, then well, you’re not not listening or have your boor-cancelling headphones on. He’s the flip side of Obama that way.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  233. 230. Thanks, Steve. I certainly feel safer, now. What’s with the shaved heads, BTW? Does the Navy have problems with lice?

    nk (dbc370) — 2/10/2016 @ 5:18 pm

    No, not with lice. Barbers.

    You try putting up with a disgruntled teenager and a set of clippers.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  234. They make up winners and losers as they go along according to their current narrative.

    Like a Hogwarts competition where scores are added at the end so Gryffindor always wins and Slytherin always comes in last?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  235. “Every Republican candidate who finished first and second in Iowa and New Hampshire has won the presidential nomination. Having done so, Trump is now in a class with Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and Mitt Romney.”

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2001015/

    sound awake (6ad1ec)

  236. Of course, since I despise Trump intensely, I may hear things more clearly….

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  237. Been watching the Twitter share price? A rage to gone in no time flat.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-10/john-kerry-makes-last-ditch-effort-avert-world-war-iii-saudis-turks-prepare-syria-in

    Now here is resiliency. Gotta have some a that, you say? Conjured from Babylonia 2400 years ago.

    DNF (755a85)

  238. “Donald Trump built a juggernaut and had the media pay for it”

    Mr. Trump’s second place finish in Iowa gave respite to the legions of media pundits and establishment flunkies who suffer the worst forms of Donald Trump Derangement Syndrome. They braced for a huge blow-out win in the Corn State. When it didn’t happen, it was like an executioner’s gun jamming. First they flinched, then they blinked a few times and then got up and ran like their hair was on fire.

    Ever since, of course, they have been gloating and crowing — from a safe distance — that Donald Trump failed. King Midas had finally touched something and turned it into silver, instead of gold.

    This, to be sure, is every bit as delusional as the derangement syndrome that has captivated their sanity for six months now. What Donald Trump pulled off in Iowa was nothing short of miraculous.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/9/charles-hurt-trump-built-a-juggernaut-and-had-the-/

    sound awake (6ad1ec)

  239. Trump is now in a class with Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole, George W. Bush, and Mitt Romney.”

    In no way is Trump in a class with Ronald Reagan, and I’d be careful as the other can sue.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  240. Ok, Kevin. Which is it? Is Hispanic a race or not?

    Also, did you miss the part where I said Trump doesn’t speak for me.

    67. Leviticus @59, I understand perfectly well what you’re talking about and if anyone is the bigot it’s you. Not me.

    Have you ever trusted your life to someone named Velazquez?

    Thing is, I don’t see that’s any different from trusting your life to someone named O’Brien. if Velazquez is Afro-Caribbean I still don’t give a s***. But even if Velazquez is Afro-Caribbean that doesn’t magically turn Hispanic into a race.

    In case you haven’t noticed, Leviticus, Trump doesn’t speak for me. I’m a white man. Which means, he doesn’t speak for all white men.

    Steve57 (f61b03) — 2/10/2016 @ 10:49 am

    Lots of people seem to have missed that part.

    But, again, please advise whether or not you think Hispanic is a race. Because so far you’re all over the map.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  241. Yes, now I remember my father telling me he would pay to get his hair cut off-base by a civilian barber when he was in the army.

    nk (dbc370)

  242. Ya know neither IA nor NH are representative of the country.

    I think MO has the longest running pick of the President streak going.

    DNF (755a85)

  243. “Trump and Sanders win: We are witnessing a full scale revolt, America”

    We are seeing a full scale rejection of the political establishment. This is a threat that we did not take seriously enough over the past few years, as evidenced by the fact that most rejected Trump as a clown and a joke. His ideas on illegal immigration and placing a temporary ban on Muslims ruffled our national feathers even though a majority of Republican primary voters agreed with him. That’s how out of touch our political class has become.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/02/09/trump-and-sanders-win-in-nh-trump-and-sanders-win-are-witnessing-full-scale-revolt-america.html?intcmp=hpbt2

    sound awake (6ad1ec)

  244. Today’s Ash Wednesday, and for Lent, I always like to give up a vice. I’m hereby announcing that I’m giving up my support for Donald Trump. I feel good about it.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  245. Every. Republican. Candidate. Who. Finished. First. And. Second. In. Iowa. And. New. Hampshire. Has. Won. The. Presidential. Nomination.

    sound awake (6ad1ec)

  246. 241. Yes, now I remember my father telling me he would pay to get his hair cut off-base by a civilian barber when he was in the army.

    nk (dbc370) — 2/10/2016 @ 5:30 pm

    Wise man.

    But unfortunately in the Navy when you’re at sea you don’t have the option of going to Supercuts.

    So…

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  247. #221, Beldar, thank you for your thoughtful criticism and your compliments. I much appreciate your efforts. Incidentally, I responded to your previous comment #166 on the New Hampshire Tonight thread at #187.

    Normally, I would include adequate profanity appropriate to the issue and to the intensity of the debate, but, alas, Patterico has informed me directly that he doesn’t want that sort of thing in his comments section. And, I’ve agreed to abide by his wishes. He and I are on opposite sides of the Trump/Cruz divide and I don’t want to ruffle his feathers. He gets a bit testy on occasion.

    However, not all Neanderthals commenting here try to marshal facts and arguments, a few too many just attack without regard to the fundamentals of polite or even civil discourse, let alone demonstrate any regard for the niceties of structured argumentation.

    So, in frustration, too often I respond in kind. Please forgive me, I mean no disrespect toward you. Your comments are often the highlight of the time I spend here, and I’m honored you take the time to address me directly. Thank you.

    ropelight (20b273)

  248. After every win the next thing is that the candidate’s shills do their level best to convince everyone that they will be assimilated and resistance is futile.

    The race is now Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Bush, Kasich and Carson. Carson cannot continue past South Carolina and may drop out by the week end. His votes distribute randomly to T, C or R.

    Kasich and Bush are fungible, their votes largely add. In the unlikely event that Bush drops out before Kasich, some of his votes go to Rubio. None of these votes go to Trump. Ever.

    Eventually, after Super Tuesday, we have Trump, Cruz and Rubio, in some order. The 20-30% that was the eGOP has gone to Rubio and a bit to Cruz. And Trump is still at 30-35%.

    The real question is which one of the other two beats Trump in April.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  249. I paid $1.94 a gallon tonight for Ethanol-Free Premium, ignoring the fact the ’94 Camry is not a collector’s item.

    We may see silly prices yet:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-10/could-gasoline-drop-below-1-gallon

    What does the price at the pump being less than half its cost of production tell you all?

    Yeah, I know “Push off Wegian iconoclast, we’re happy sh!ttin’ and grinin’.”

    DNF (755a85)

  250. I suspect the result will be Rubio, as our host said earlier, unless Cruz can knock Trump out during Super Tuesday. Cruz has a problem in that Rubio voters that came from the eGOP candidates might go to Trump rather than the ickier Cruz if Rubio is knocked out first. He needs Rubio still in at the end, and may find that a difficult needle to thread. THhre are scenarios where this isn’t decided on the first ballot.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  251. Tells me it may soon be time to buy Chevron stock.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  252. 232. Steve, you do not view “ship all the Mexicans back to Mexico” as a policy of racial exclusion? Not even a leeetle bit?…

    Kevin M (25bbee) — 2/10/2016 @ 5:23 pm

    Can you stop with the straw men? Nobody is saying ship all the Mexicans back to Mexico.

    Get it through your skull.

    Lots of Mexicans are here legally, and I’m happy about that. What I’m even happier about is, they’re not all Mexicans anymore, many of them. They’re Americans. All I can say is, welcome aboard.

    What makes you think my opposition to illegal immigration has anything to do with race or ethnicity?

    Could you please not make up crap about me?

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  253. “Kasich and Bush are fungible…”

    You are much more polite than I would be.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  254. 248. At this late date, “The real question is which one of the other two beats Trump in April.” is in-your-face-horsesh!t.

    The RNC has reserved 40% of the delegates, short of a six sigma event, no one can win without them regardless what the voters do.

    DNF (755a85)

  255. I paid $1.60 this last Sunday. But please clarify for me “less than half its cost of production”. Are the tankers, the refineries, and the gasoline trucks “losing money” too, or only the pumpers?

    nk (dbc370)

  256. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hispanic_Medal_of_Honor_recipients

    I respectfully request a large number of people to go (blank) themselves in the most painful and unnatural way possible for suggesting I want to ship all Mexicans back to Mexico.

    You’ll know, if I’m talking about you.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  257. #248 Kevin M,
    That’s good analysis of where the race appears to be heading. Trump got 35% last nite, but his opposition adds up to 65%. I’m of the belief that Trump has received so much free publicity over the past several months, that if you’re not already sold on him, then chances are you’re going to vote for someone else in the primary. As a result of that, I think there’s an opening for the Anybody But Trump faction to win out in the end. Like you, I think the Anybody But Trump candidate will ultimately come down to either Cruz or Rubio as the last firewall to deny Trump the nomination.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  258. If it interests anyone, I want to ship all the so-pasty-white-they’re-practically-translucent Russians back to Russia.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  259. Except for the hot Russian babes.

    And that goes for the Mexican babes, too.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  260. Ted Cruz a consensus-builder? He was at the FTC.

    mg (31009b)

  261. 260. Ted Cruz a consensus-builder? He was at the FTC.

    mg (31009b) — 2/10/2016 @ 5:58 pm

    Unfortunately the LHMFM is in the business of not letting the word get out.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  262. 255. It was just the pumpers at first but Cushing OK where the largest domestic storage facility is maintained will be full to the brim this week or next.

    Everyone in the business, e.g., Texas, will suffer loss of margin.

    By sometime in 2017 we will have wiped the decks clean not just of startup firms but financing to re-start the pipeline.

    Our way of life will be changing at a pace unlike the progress resulting from current rumination.

    DNF (755a85)

  263. I’m watching Ted Cruz on Megyn Kelly’s FOX NEWS TV show. He can’t answer a simple question without shifting into Stump Speech mode. He’s a boar. Listening to him talk is like listening to a Mesothelioma commercial.

    ropelight (20b273)

  264. ropelight,

    At least Ted Cruz put on his big boy pants and showed up to take questions from Megyn Kelly. Unlike…uh, you know who.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  265. Went to my doctor yesterday
    He said Haiku you seem to be down
    Then he said “Boy, you better look around
    How long you think that Trump can run his mouth around?
    How many states you think that he can do what he’s been doin?
    Who, now who’s he foolin?”

    I came back home and I watched TV
    I was watching Bernie
    My wife came in and she said “What’s wrong, Haiku, what’s wrong?”
    Ah, I told her what’s wrong
    I said “Doll, you better look around
    How long you think that they can run this country down?
    How many years you think that we can do what we been doin’?
    Who, now, who we foolin’? Who we foolin’? Who we foolin’?”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  266. 263. He’s a boar.

    ropelight (20b273) — 2/10/2016 @ 6:07 pm

    I think you mean boor.

    If he were a boar, maybe even you would vote for him.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  267. He’s a ruttin’ boar, ropelight.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  268. Hmmm,
    Seems like there were two different interviews of Cruz be Kelly tonight.
    The one I saw didn’t resemble the one you saw.

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  269. So, did Graham really say that choosing between Trump and Cruz was like choosing between being shot or being poisoned??

    That shows just how out of touch and tin-eared they are,
    Some of them just can’t admit that they are being wholesale rejected by the voters.

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  270. Al Sharpton holds the key to the Democratic nomination? If that doesn’t trouble teh Dims, that should tell us all we need to know about them, lol.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  271. Noting the Breitbart exit polling from NH the young folk are pissed at us.

    Just wait. I work out with lots of upper middle class GenXers and Millenials. When their cash flow gets interrupted over the next few they will have to jump mid-gear to a different lifestyle altogether.

    Like having a couple months cash on hand with the banks close for a week and a handful do not reopen.

    These people lease everything and haven’t a tool or a book in the house.

    DNF (755a85)

  272. ropelight, what American president do you most admire?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  273. 267. He’s a ruttin’ boar, ropelight.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 2/10/2016 @ 6:22 pm

    But, coronello, isn’t it about time we had a large tusker back in the White House?

    http://demostore.swarmingtech.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800×800/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/i/wild-boar.jpg

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  274. 271. One of his few lucid moments:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-10/why-ron-paul-hopeful

    DNF (755a85)

  275. Karl Rove on Joe Biden: “I think he has an odd combination of longevity and long-windedness that passes for wisdom in Washington.” It applies to Graham, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  276. But I can see how both Cruz and Trump might seem like Kryptonite to their sinecures.

    nk (dbc370)

  277. #272, Beldar, during my lifetime – Ronald Reagan. From the founding – Thomas Jefferson.

    ropelight (20b273)

  278. The problem with political jokes is …

    they get elected.

    nk (dbc370)

  279. ropelight, do you think Ronald Reagan would have encouraged a supporter to shout the word “Pussy!” to insult a rival in a public appearance? Do you think Reagan would have repeated it on-microphone in an audience that included children, for television transmission around the world?

    Do you approve or disapprove of what he did?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  280. 240:

    Steve, this is so convoluted now, I give up. You are now arguing third-order semantics and I have no interest, so you win.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  281. Whether you approve or not, ropelight, can we agree that Trump using that particular vulgarity in that particular way, then trying to distance himself from it by blaming the woman, then smirking about how great it was because the crowd went crazy with approval — that’s a perfectly typical and representative example of Donald Trump’s temperament?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  282. Beldar, are you going to swear me in, or are we just talkin’ here?

    I don’t think Reagan would have done what Trump did. But, as they say in Honolulu – it ain’t no big thing.

    BTW, I once had a picture of Reagan giving the finger to a bunch of student protesters on the Berkeley campus. Don’t know what happened to it, wish I still had it.

    ropelight (20b273)

  283. Ok, Kevin. I apologize. It’s just that when you use the word race, or a variant of the word race, dumb s*** that I am I’m going to think you’re talking about race.

    Again, sorry for being so convoluted.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  284. The RNC has reserved 40% of the delegates, short of a six sigma event, no one can win without them regardless what the voters do.

    Where do you get this information?

    I see them having 168 delegates out of 2472, which is 6.8%, and these seem to be allocated reasonably well wrt the voting already. The DEMOCRATS have a huge number of superdelegates, but that’s another matter.

    http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R-Alloc.phtml

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  285. I’m just trying to figure you out, ropelight. You’re not under oath, and as you pointed out (and I agree), you and I have been having a civil exchange (which is something that, I’d submit, your candidate could not do if his life depended on it).

    We agree Reagan wouldn’t have done that. Can we also agree, though, that this was typical and representative of Trump’s temperament?

    We probably also could agree that Barack Obama might have done something like this — after all, Obama’s the guy who sends proxies out to call the Prime Minister of Israel a “chickenshit” and who chews gum at summit meetings: Obama’s easily the most vulgar American president in history.

    You say “it ain’t no big thing.” Why not? Preach me your best case for why America needs a president even more vulgar than Barack Obama.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  286. My comments seem to have triggered some sort of moderation mechanism. The perils of quoting Donald Trump!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  287. Ropelight, beldar

    I was at Reagan’s last 1984 campaign stop at Pierce College in L.A. At one point the students(!) started chanting “Mondale Sucks!” quite loudly. Reagan was clearly embarrassed, and after waiting for the crowd to die down, went on as if the shouting had not happened.

    I cannot imaging Trump doing that, and I shudder to think what kind of ne kulturny response he would have come up with.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  288. Beldar, identify the offending word if you can and insert a parenthetical euphemism.

    ropelight (20b273)

  289. Yes the Saudis going into Syria will turn out as well as the nerve the carthaginians recruited against Rome.

    narciso (732bc0)

  290. Mercenaries told in flaubert’s salaambo.

    narciso (732bc0)

  291. As I pointed out, even too is backing away from waterboarding.

    narciso (732bc0)

  292. Exactly the plan follows session staged operation as with gaffney’s culling of salafis

    narciso (732bc0)

  293. Re-posting, with slight edits:

    —–

    I’m just trying to figure you out, ropelight. You’re not under oath, and as you pointed out (and I agree), you and I have been having a civil exchange (which is something that, I’d submit, your candidate could not do if his life depended on it).

    We agree Reagan wouldn’t have done that. Can we also agree, though, that this was typical and representative of Trump’s temperament?

    We probably also could agree that Barack Obama might have done something like this — after all, Obama’s the guy who sends proxies out to call the Prime Minister of Israel a “chickensh*t” and who chews gum at summit meetings: Obama’s easily the most vulgar American president in history.

    You say “it ain’t no big thing.” Why not? Preach me your best case for why America needs a president even more vulgar than Barack Obama, or why Trump has other qualities which are so compelling that we should ignore his deliberate, unapologetic — indeed, consistently gleeful — public vulgarity?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  294. Trump’s vulgarity is reminiscent of Obama’s giving the finger while scratching his nose and his lipstick on a pig remark.
    Matches his used car salesman tone of hype and lofty promises like Obama’s post racial post partisan the oceans will behave shtick.

    You can get a megalomaniac king wannabe of different ideological persuasions,
    But they still are MKW’s

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  295. As I pointed out, even Yoo is backing away from waterboarding.

    Trump not only endorsed waterboarding, but left open the door to “medieval” techniques.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  296. #273… that must be the not-too-often seen Peruvian Marching Boar, Steve.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  297. Trump may have won both IA and NH, but 2/3’s of people don’t want him.
    But as has already been said, many eRepubs are so anti-Cruz they would rather split the remainder and let Trump win than let someone with real convictions win.

    Meanwhile Christie grabbed onto Rubio and pulled them both under, perhaps
    G’ night

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  298. If needs must, the levick crew already make up of that garbage, and the left went along.

    narciso (732bc0)

  299. Yes Ralph Grande harpooned himself.

    narciso (732bc0)

  300. The also-rans will find it difficult to run against a Republican incumbent in 2020. If they can’t have it this time, they’d rather Hillary got it. Oh no, they don’t think that way? Yes, they do.

    nk (dbc370)

  301. Beldar, America doesn’t need another vulgar president, and while Trump’s behavior isn’t always up to snuff, he’s not a vulgar man. Remember, he’s from New York and hasn’t had the benefit of learning how to conduct himself like a Southern gentleman. He’s unrefined, actually a bit course from time to time, but I’ve seen nothing which would render him socially or politically unacceptable.

    And, he does have qualities, compelling qualities, which I believe will benefit our country if he’s elected. Need I list them? If so, I beg your indulgence, I’m tired and long for my bed. Leave any message you want and I’ll respond promptly early tomorrow morning.

    ropelight (20b273)

  302. I approved a mess of comments just now.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  303. A lot of people are tired of the coarseness of society. There’s a reason locker room language is called “locker room” language. It’s supposed to be confined, generally speaking, to the locker room. But a guy running for President of the United States should be attempting to elevate the discourse—not devolve it. The problem with society is that too many people no longer delineate between private behavior VS public behavior. If you want to drop the “F” bomb with your buds at your Saturday night poker game in the privacy of your basement, that’s fine, but don’t do it when you’re at the supermarket or when you’re sitting in the bleachers at a little league baseball game surrounded by moms and young kids. And certainly not when you’re standing at the podium in front of TV cameras as you’re running to “make America great again.” Part of the greatness that America has lost is the consciousness for preserving a polite society.
    There’s a big percentage of youths whose behavior is not being cultivated by judicious parents. Many boys don’t have a father figure to correct their behavior. Instead, they take their cues for behavior from their peers or from celebrities. TV sitcom moms used to say, “Wait ’til your father gets home.”
    Now kids turn on the TV, and they see that the guy who might become the next President is calling a female news anchor a “bimbo,” and he’s calling a distinguished Senator a “p*ssy.” And a lot of people stand up and cheer for that.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  304. @295, it must be so, coronello.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  305. 283- nk-ha,ha,ha

    mg (31009b)

  306. 307. I approved a mess of comments just now.

    Patterico (86c8ed) — 2/10/2016 @ 7:50 pm

    Somehow I don’t doubt that you used the proper word to describe the comments you just approved.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  307. Were up against an enemy that beheads and sets people on fire, to recruit their brigades.

    narciso (732bc0)

  308. A picture really is worth a thousand words. Everything that’s wrong with the Democratic party, sitting at one table.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca3Q9NdWAAEGyr2.jpg

    The “one percenter” who owes millions if dollars in back taxes sitting down to breakfast with the socialist knowing full well BS isn’t going to do a d@mned thing about it.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  309. But what do I know? I’m just a flaming racist.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  310. @ MD [whom I still think of as] in Philly (#297), who wrote:

    [B]ut as has already been said, many eRepubs are so anti-Cruz they would rather split the remainder and let Trump win than let someone with real convictions win.

    From the moment Ted Cruz won his Senate seat from Texas — and in some instances, well before that, even before Cruz had defeated David Dewhurst in the Texas Republican primary run-off — all of Ted Cruz’ political opponents on the national scene have sung in close harmony to paint Ted Cruz as an extremist.

    Anyone consistent in adhering to principles will, in the absence of any better argument, be labeled an extremist. Sometimes that works (Goldwater), sometimes it doesn’t (Reagan). I’m among those who believes that Goldwater’s blow-out in 1964 was inevitable from and after the day JFK was shot, just like Obama’s blow-out in 2008 became inevitable with the October 2008 financial collapse that brought us TARP. But I well remember how, as a Jerry Ford supporter in the 1976 GOP primaries, I argued that Ronald Reagan was too extreme to get elected. I remember how, as a George H.W. Bush supporter in the 1980 GOP primaries, I argued that Ronald Reagan was too extreme to get elected. Although I made and believed it sincerely and in good faith, that argument was wrong, wrong, wrong.

    The people who comment here pay attention to politics year-round every year, but we’re not representative of rank-and-file voters in either major party. And most of what most New Hampshire Republicans know about Ted Cruz — most of what has given them the idea that he’s too extreme to be elected, or too rigid, or too off-putting or weird or whatever — they learned from a combination of (1) Democratic propaganda, (2) Mainstream Media propaganda (but I repeat myself), and (3) anti-Cruz Republican Establishment propaganda (McConnell/McCain et al.).

    Cruz might have done what Kasich did, and have spent all his money and time trying to win New Hampshire — to the exclusion of building a national campaign with organization, funding, and a strategic path which runs all the way to the convention. If he’d done so, I think he might could have persuaded some sizable number of New Hampshire GOP primary voters (which is not the same as saying “conservatives” or “Republicans” or “likely general election GOP voters”) to reconsider the caricature version of Ted Cruz that formed the basis of their aversion, in the same way that I began to reconsider the caricature version of Ronald Reagan that I had held up until he actually won the GOP nomination.

    The question isn’t whether as of today those GOP voters with the aversion to Cruz can’t imagine themselves feeling any other way about him. The question is how they feel when it’s officially down to a choice between only Trump and Cruz. And that day comes on a different date in every state.

    Remember, in a four-candidate race, Ted Cruz massively trailed David Dewhurst in the initial Texas GOP primary on May 29, 2012, with only 480,558 votes (34.16%) to Dewhurst’s 627,731 votes (44.63%). Of the 1,406,648 cast in that primary, the two front-runners together got 1,108,289 of them.

    Which is to say, Cruz lost the 2012 Texas GOP senatorial primary election to Dewhurst by 147k votes — a larger losing vote margin than the total number of votes Trump won last night in New Hampshire.

    That sounds like quite a “thumping,” no? But like all of Cruz’ other Texas supporters, I was thrilled with this loss: All that really mattered was that Cruz did well enough to force a run-off, and in fact he did considerably better than that.

    I suppose we could ask Sen. ex-Lt. Gov. Dewhurst how much thrill he still gets from his big victory on May 29, 2012; I suspect the answer would be a very nasty stare, followed by a slamming door.

    Over the next few weeks, a great many Texas Republicans took their first serious look at Ted Cruz in a head-to-head race. And in the two-candidate run-off election on July 31, 2012, Cruz won 631,812 votes (56.82%), compared to Dewhurst’s 480,126 votes (43.18%). That is, Cruz essentially flipped positions with Dewhurst in the run-off — even though, incredibly for a run-off, the total number of votes cast for the two of them (1,111,938) was larger in the run-off than in the original primary election!

    Moral:

    Good people who focus their thinking can change their minds, even about someone as vivid and controversial as Ted Cruz. Or Ronald Reagan. There is a very good reason why “reassembling the Reagan coalition” is one of Ted Cruz’ main themes right now.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  311. Supporting Beldar’s contention is the fact* that Cruz comes across more reasonable the more you see him.

    *This “fact” is true in my opinion.

    Patterico (86c8ed)

  312. 312. Were up against an enemy that beheads and sets people on fire, to recruit their brigades.
    narciso (732bc0) — 2/10/2016 @ 8:18 pm

    It’s only my Islamophobia and racism and bigotry that compels me to point out where the nothing-to-do-with-Islam-religion-hijackers of the Islamic State get their ideas.

    http://sunnah.com/bukhari/88

    Silly Sunnis, following the Sunnah.

    88 Apostates

    Narrated `Ikrima:

    Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ), ‘Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'”

    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6922
    In-book reference : Book 88, Hadith 5
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 9, Book 84, Hadith 57
    (deprecated numbering scheme)

    Do Muslims get to not care what Ali did?

    Not according to Muhammad.

    http://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/introduction

    It was narrated from ‘Abdur-Rahman bin ‘Amr As-Sulami that:

    He heard Al-‘Irbad bin Sariyah say: “The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) delivered a moving speech to us which made our eyes flow with tears and made our hearts melt. We said: ‘O Messenger of Allah. This is a speech of farewell. What did you enjoin upon us?’ He said: ‘I am leaving you upon a (path of) brightness whose night is like its day. No one will deviate from it after I am gone but one who is doomed. Whoever among you lives will see great conflict. I urge you to adhere to what you know of my Sunnah and the path of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, and cling stubbornly to it. And you must obey, even if (your leader is) an Abyssinian leader. For the true believer is like a camel with a ring in its nose; wherever it is driven, it complies.”

    Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
    English reference : Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 43
    Arabic reference : Book 1, Hadith 45

    The first rightly guided caliph was Abu Bakr. And according to the Muslim histories he sent an army against the Muslims who defied his authority after Muhammad died. And that army was authorized to burn apostates to death if they continued to defy Abu Bakr’s authority.

    If they owed so much as a piece of rope to Muhammad in taxes, then by god they owed him that same piece of rope or they’d suffer the consequences. The Apostate Wars. Al Baghdadi knows his history.

    So, after Abu Bakr there was Umar, Uthman, and Ali. And the ahidith are still pointing out that the fourth rightly guided Caliph was still burning people to death.

    Ibn Abbas mildly notes that if he was in charge he’d have done things differently. But it’s not a big deal. Also, you don’t hear much about this as the hadith that says a caliph shouldn’t burn apostates (or anyone who makes war against the “prophet’s” successors) to death should be beheaded. That’s the punishment he’s referring to.

    I denounce myself and my racism for knowing this.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  313. …And you must obey, even if (your leader is) an Abyssinian leader…

    In case you didn’t get the reference, that’s Muhammad’s way of saying n*****.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  314. The aspect that enabled Reagan to win is that while his opponents were branding him an “extremist” who’s going to push Grandma’s wheelchair (with her IN it!) off the cliff, Reagan was actually delivering his message in a reasonable palatable tone. And so people ultimately concluded, “He doesn’t seem all that scary.”
    There probably isn’t a huge difference in ideology or policy between Goldwater in 1964 VS Reagan in 1980, it’s just that Reagan was a much more palatable messenger.

    And that’s the key. It’s the old saying about using honey vs using vinegar. In fact, that’s what Obama even did…he was talking in code to his Left flank, and we political junkies on the Right were clued in to what he was saying, but to the masses of Kim Kardashian fans who think Thomas Jefferson was a character on ‘The Jeffersons’ TV sitcom, they all just saw Barack smiling and talking about hope and change. To them, just like with Reagan, voters concluded that Obama seemed kind of harmless.

    We Republicans have to keep in mind that the “default” perception of our nominee is going to be that he wants to push Grandma off the cliff, take away Uncle Joe’s disability payments, and throw hand grenades into abortion clinics because that’s the caricature of Republicans which the media cultivates, and it’s reinforced by everyone from Stephen Colbert to Saturday Night Live to the typical college professor. So, our nominee has to be someone whose language and style does not feed into that narrative. Principles are great, but if you don’t win the election, you don’t get to govern. And so we can all have our principles when choosing whom to support in the primaries, but if we choose a nominee who ends up scaring away a big enough percentage of the general electorate, then we’re going to be governed by someone with principles alright—just someone with New York Times principles.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  315. Gee, where does Abu Bakr al Baghdadi get the idea it’s just fine to burn people alive?

    http://sunnah.com/bukhari/10

    10 Call to Prayers (Adhaan)

    …Narrated Abu Huraira:

    The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “No prayer is heavier upon the hypocrites than the Fajr and the `Isha’ prayers and if they knew what is in them (in reward), they would have attended them, even if (it was) crawling. Certainly, I felt the urge to order the Mu’adh-dhin (call-maker) so that he would pronounce Iqama, then order a man to lead the people (in prayer), then take a flame of fire so that I burn (the houses) upon those who had not left for the prayer yet.

    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 657
    In-book reference : Book 10, Hadith 51
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 11, Hadith 626
    (deprecated numbering scheme)

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  316. WTF happened to my Navy?!?!

    Steve57 (f61b03) — 2/10/2016 @ 5:10 pm

    Obama

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  317. And he does have qualities, compelling qualities, which I believe will benefit our country if he’s elected.

    I honestly wonder what qualities those are…

    …because all the differentiating characteristics I can think of don’t seem to be benefits. If you’re wondering what I’m thinking of:
    1- claiming to have a great relationship with God, while saying that he hasn’t really seen a need to ask God for forgiveness.
    2- consistently repeating ideas that are barely more advanced than slogans (“build a wall!”), when anyone who was paying attention concluded that was inadequate over ten years ago (~2003, over Thanksgiving dinner my family discussed that and decided that a wall won’t stop tunnels, which were in regular use back then).
    3- consistently repeating support for the Second Amendment, including doing away with pointless bans, while not explaining (as far as I’m aware) why he says that now but used to support the AWB
    4- supporting a national police force capable of arresting and deporting 11 million people, while not (AFAICT) significantly reducing the federal laws that the average citizen breaks 3 times a day. (Is there *any* reason to think that a national police force would be ended if it finished the job–or that it would do the job if that was the plan?)
    5- supporting the abuse of eminent domain to take private property for the benefit of whoever’s going to pay more taxes, a la Kelo. That’s not private property; that’s a lease from the government at the government’s pleasure.
    6- a vastly excessive obsession with his own name (is there a ‘Bloomberg Tower’ anywhere?)
    7- a willingness to associate with the Clintons, mafia bosses, and other parties to corruption
    8- praise for the ‘leadership’ of corrupt, dictatorial strongmen.
    9- a complete lack of any political background that could be used to check his claimed platform
    10- a readiness to give away an unknown but vast amount, as evidenced by his comments about compromise (“you have to ask for three times what you want” and “compromise isn’t a dirty word”, among others).

    For me, eminent domain alone is a deal-breaker. So is his lack of true faith; if you don’t know what made America great, how will you make it great again?
    (Further, I’m not ready to trust a denomination that supports gay “marriage” in the ministry and BDS, among other things.)
    Next would be associating with corruption, and praising Putin et al.
    Then comes the question of what he actually does want, and how he would govern.
    The national police force issue is big, though not as much so.

    Ibidem (f7be92)

  318. Apparently now the proper response to Iranian aggression is a candlelight vigil. Take that, terrorists! We waft our weepy soulfullness in your general direction.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  319. Bet those guys were well trained in Sexual Assault Prevention and Response (SAPR), the intricacies of white privilege, and gender neutral bathrooms.

    Machine gun? What’s a machine gun?

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  320. Really, isn’t the important thing to understand affirmative consent?

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  321. 70 Out of 3 000 000 000 base pairs of DNA in a human being, roughly, 0.01 % differ between any two people. Between Europeans, that trivial difference is even, well, more trivial.

    The source linked says 6 million out of 3 billion which seems like .2% but they claim is .1%. In any case since even a single difference can have big effects (sickle cell anemia for example) 6 million differences are enough to make some pairs of people quite different. As should be obvious from observation.

    James B. Shearer (0f56fb)

  322. Mr. Shearer, I don’t quite get what you’re driving at. Can you simplify things for me?

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  323. Be careful, James, you are using Badthink and you stand in danger of being expelled from Ingsoc, not to mention being deported from Oceania. If the Party says race is a social/political construct, two plus two means your chocolate ration has been increased and the Wistick dufels the Moraddy.

    nk (dbc370)

  324. 328.Mr. Shearer, I don’t quite get what you’re driving at. Can you simplify things for me?

    I am saying 70 is unreliable as it isn’t even quoting its links correctly.

    Putting race aside it is claiming genetic differences between people are trivial which is not the case even for brothers or sisters (identical twins excepted).

    James B. Shearer (0f56fb)

  325. I did quote the links accurately and that was the problem, I should have gone through the math like you did. Your math is correct James, thank you. The gov source should have said 0.2% not 0.01%, based on their own numbers; good catch. Also, your observation that people are different is also correct.

    The second source, however, made the larger points that 1) there is no scientific consensus on the precise biological definition of the term race, and 2) that the genetic differences within the human genome are so small that the human species cannot be scientifically subdivided into breeds or races, even with imprecise definitions.

    Pons Asinorum (49e2e8)

  326. This is in reference to something someone said on this comment thread? I searched on all the keywords I could think of and I couldn’t find anything.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  327. Just look at this picture, Steve. It’s safe, I promise. http://visitfilms.com/images/product/sj_product_image_65_6_1531_7481.jpg You see the three people there? You might think you see two different races and two different sexes. Nope. They’re all the same. Scientific consensus cannot tell them apart.

    nk (dbc370)

  328. The switch from climate change to human genetics kind of threw me off.

    I think I’m up to speed, now, though.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  329. Thanks for edifying me, nk.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  330. 332.This is in reference to something someone said on this comment thread? I searched on all the keywords I could think of and I couldn’t find anything

    Comments are numbered to make them easy to reference. I gave the number, 70, of the comment I was quoting and replying to.

    James B. Shearer (0f56fb)

  331. Yes, thank you. I had a momentary brain f@rt. I believe I mentioned @334 I had managed to get back up to speed.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  332. I managed to go from confused to not confused in under 15 minutes. I doubt that’s any kind of record. But still it’s not bad.

    Steve57 (f61b03)

  333. my grandma poops faster than you have epiphanies

    happyfeet (831175)

  334. Thanks for the thoughts, Beldar.

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  335. wicked donald trump
    lives and thrives upon the groin
    of baser instincts

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  336. Mr. Trump got a lucky rabbit’s foot in his pocket!

    but still i marvel at his political success

    you know who he reminders me of?

    Zeus!

    happyfeet (831175)

  337. will the S&P give up 1800 today you think

    sell sell sell everything must go

    happyfeet (831175)

  338. Many of the media and SHEEPLE that get their cues from the media/pop culture….. all have their snarky opinion on Cruz…. But to those of us that have studied Cruz and line him up with the rest, there is no comparison. Cruz has true humility. Something most do not even recognizes after being brainwashed by the ego of BO for the last 8 years. On top of being extremely humble, he is gifted with great smarts and brilliance. His book is an amazing read and the audio version is even better. When he speaks….. his mind is moving so fast his words cannot keep up… if you watch you will see he practically trips over his words to keep up with how fast he is thinking. Trump may be confident and successful… yes, but he can’t do what needs to be done to erase all of Bo’s executive lawless orders…. NOR will Trump want to repeal obamacare or GO after the IRS as Cruz will do.

    JRT (bc7456)

  339. All mimsy are the borogoves, too.

    nk (dbc370)

  340. Beldar, and anyone else who cares to comment responsibly, Ted Cruz is right, or nearly right, on the political issues of the day (he’s a little to ambiguous [soft] on immigration to suit me, I prefer Trump’s position) but I won’t quibble. Cruz is obviously bright, well-educated, hard working, ambitious, and energetic. He’s a superb candidate, but one with a fatal flaw: he’s ineligible for the presidency.

    Believe me, I’m well aware there are few commenters here who agree with my reading of the pertinent constitutional requirements. However, I’m not about to yield on this point. I’m convinced the Founders were sincere in their efforts to limit the role of Commander-in-Chief to individuals who were born within the jurisdiction of the US to citizen parents (both parents must be citizens at the time of birth).

    I don’t find that restriction unreasonable, on the contrary I consider it’s strict enforcement a prudent and rational barrier to the introduction of divided loyalties into the highest levels of the Executive branch. Electing our leaders is a fundamental strength of our republic, however elections are also a crack in the doorway for wrongheaded, corrupt, or unworthy individuals to gain access to the levers of power for nefarious purposes. Look no further than our current president for an example of how elections can result in a leader who undermines our economy, subverts our laws, makes common cause with our nation’s enemies, turns his back on our fighting men in their hour of need.

    Strict adherence to the conditions of eligibility described above would have denied Barack Obama the opportunity to spend 8 long years reeking havoc on our nation and on a great many other nations as well. Think it over and decide for yourself.

    ropelight (6d8c45)

  341. Balderdash!!!

    “Just as the offspring of the sovereign monarch are ‘natural born subjects’ of the realm regardless of where they are born, so too are offspring of the sovereign individual citizen ‘natural born citizens’ of the United States, though they may be born outside its borders. Who is the sovereign, not territory, is what matters. In the United States, it is We the People, each and every one.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/01/07/why-ted-cruz-is-a-natural-born-citizen/

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  342. Colonel, please note that subjects of the sovereign and citizens of an electoral republic are vastly different types of individuals. The former have no say in the matter, whereas the latter possess the exclusive right to select their own leaders.

    Our Founders were keenly aware of the shortcomings imposed on subjects of the English Crown, having endured such excesses to point of armed rebellion, and thus sought to enshrine restrictions in our new constitution which would prevent the sorts of abuses which have plagued the subjects of the monarchies of Europe throughout history.

    I don’t accept arguments that equate the rights, or lack thereof, of subjects to citizens. It’s just apples and oranges.

    ropelight (6d8c45)

  343. As Colonel Haiku points out,
    to clarify, for me a last time,
    the issue that has been before us is not whether or not a Constitutional requirement should be met,
    but what that requirement is.
    The majority opinion, not just be commenters here but by legal scholars,
    is that there are people who are born citizens of the US,
    people who are not citizens
    and people who are citizens by naturalization after their birth.

    There is no special legally recognized subset class of citizens who are not only born citizens, but “super qualified” as defined by born in the US to two citizen parent, or two citizen parents who were born in the US, or whatever.

    And, FWIW, Obama became Obama under the tutelage of American citizens, perhaps even “natural born citizens” by the proposed definition. Bill Ayers would have done the same thing if not worse.

    MD in Philly (deca84)

  344. as a natural born citizen myself i can assure everybody here that it’s highly overrated

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  345. Rubio eyes brokered convention after NH setback

    this says so much about his character

    happyfeet (a037ad)

  346. ropelight,

    Back in the late 1700’s when our Founders were writing the framework, some of them would take trips to Europe, for pleasure, for diplomacy, and for education. The voyage itself would take a great number of weeks. And once they were there, they would stay for a good while. And the return voyage would take…a great number of weeks. Suppose, then that some of them who might have taken their wives of still child-bearing age. And that she gave birth in say, London or Paris. Do you really believe that the Founders themselves would say, “Diplomat Jones’ son isn’t a natural born citizen because he was born in London while his father was conducting diplomacy! Too bad for him!”
    (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  347. Do you have a law degree, ropelight?

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  348. ropelight,

    Principles matter and you have yours but Obama was President, despite your principles. The Obama Presidency established that there is no federal mechanism to screen or disqualify candidates under this clause. (Similarly, there is no way to prove eligibility unless the Supreme Court decides to opine, something it hasn’t done yet and probably won’t do.) The only screening mechanism is State-based and, like it or not, they treat Cruz and others like him as eligible if one parent was a citizen.

    For you to persist with this and try to disqualify a real conservative — perhaps the most conservative candidate we will see for the remainder of our lives — strikes me as putting idealism ahead of common sense, a trait that populists should scoff at. Pat yourself on the back for your principles all you want but the rest of us see it as a convenient ideology designed to help your candidate win. That’s politics, ropelight, not principles.

    DRJ (15874d)

  349. I don’t, so I defer to the best legal minds this country has to offer.

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  350. ropelight, it’s like you’re engaging in the same Obama tactics which he did in getting his opponents disqualified in his Illinois races. Instead of trying to win with tricks, let’s make the primary race a contest between visions for America.

    But even though you believe Cruz is ineligible, you’ve still wondered aloud if he wouldn’t make a good choice as Trump’s VP. You can’t have it both ways, bud. If you believe he’s ineligible to be elected President, then he’s also ineligible to become VP. They fall under the same umbrella. On a lighter note, people born in Canada are not scary. Wayne Gretzky is allegedly a pretty nice guy. Please don’t tell me you fear Shania Twain! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  351. Yeah, I hear they’ve not accepted Bishop Ussher yet.

    Why on earth would anyone? Who was he to overturn a long-established tradition, of which he was probably completely unaware. Let’s see: Seder Olam, or some bishop I’ve barely heard of. Not a contest.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  352. As G.W. Bush would say, there is an undermisapprehension of how primaries work. They are composed of two parts: The beauty contest and the vote for pledged delegates. It’s not enough to vote for your candidate at the top of the ballot; you have to keep on going, find the delegates under their own names with the candidate they are pledged to in parentheses next to them, and vote for them.

    Really? In which state(s) does it work like that? Certainly not in NY.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  353. And, yes, if precinct captain Kowalski pledged to Bernie is tied with ward committeeman O’Malley pledged to Hillary, it will be decided by a coin flip, and the coin flip is not an improvisation, it is by statute in the election code.

    Again, in which state?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  354. Buffaloed in Buffalo
    Entertained in Houston
    New York, Yew Nork
    Ya gotta… choose one
    Yes it’s a tripe face boogie
    Gonna boogie my scruples away

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  355. Illinois and Illinois for a sure bet, and most states for a venture.

    nk (dbc370)

  356. (Sorry, I had to step out but I’m back now and will do my best to address questions from to those I deem worthy of notice. That’s sounds arrogant, but there it is.)

    #349, MD, you know I respect you and we have a long history, but the principle of restricting the presidency to NBCs is not only constitutional, it’s also practical in the extreme. If you wish I’ll go into it at greater depth in a subsequent comment. This string of responses is just my effort to catch up.

    #353, Colonel, No, I don’t have a law degree. I was once headed in that direction but the great cultural anthropologist, Leslie White, talked me out of it.

    #354, DRJ, I understand your pique at my intransigence, but as I hold to the blood of my clan, I assure you I’d be making the same argument if it was Trump who’d been born in Canada to a Cuban father. I have nothing against Ted Cruz (see my comment addressed to Beldar at #346. He’s trying to figure me out, which is a task that’s occupied my attention from time to time. I wish him well and hope he succeeds, all I can say about the mystery is to quote the smartest and most beautiful woman I ever met – where she got it, I don’t know -> It’s a shallow man that knows himself.)

    Also, I want to mention happyfeet and Milhouse, I’ve gained new respect for goth of them, and am willing to engage with either one at their respective pleasure on any appropriate topic.

    ropelight (6d8c45)

  357. Happyfeet and milhouse (!!!) goth?

    Suhweeeeeet!

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  358. Colonel, the keys are adjacent, and even I am not immune to occasional error, and I admit to overlooking the recommended proof-reading which would reduce such oversights.

    ropelight (6d8c45)

  359. Steve57 (f61b03) — 2/10/2016 @ 8:48 pm

    It’s only my Islamophobia and racism and bigotry that compels me to point out where the nothing-to-do-with-Islam-religion-hijackers of the Islamic State get their ideas.

    He gets his ideas from Max von Oppenheim, who wrote fatwas in Berlin in 1914 in German that were translated into several languages that authorized the killing of random enemy civilians.

    http://sunnah.com/bukhari/88

    What this refers to is the execution, after due process of law, of Muslims who convert to other religions. This is about one of the only things ISIS doesn’t do, because it just doesn’t happen under its rule!!

    This law is actually on the books in many Islamic countries, like Malaysia and Afghanistan, but almost invariably they manage not to carry out the sentence, either by getting the convert to recant, or by arranging for his emigration. And other times they don’t notice. Abandoning religious practice, or become an atheist or agnostic, doesn’t seem to trigger this law. Iran and Saudi Arabia may be exceptions where executions on Muslims on grounds of apostasy have actually happened.

    One of the requirements is that somebody must have been a Moslem after reaching age 14. That is why you won’t find any Islamic extremists calling for the death of President Obama on grounds of apostasy. One case in Iran involved a man who was not a Moslem after age 14, but they pretended otherwise – I think the legal case is still unresolved I really should check.

    Al Baghdadi knows his history. </blockquote. No he doesn't, (or mayebe he does!)

    He makes the caliph Harun al-Rashid into a pious Moslem. The ideal Caliph.

    Sammy Finkelman (7b89bc)

  360. Wait until Trump sycophants discover that Trump’s mother was not even a natural born citizen of the United States. And since his mother was born in Scotland, can we really trust The Donald to place his sympathies for the United States above those of…Scotland?
    After all, the man (Sean Connery) who originally played James Bond was born in Scotland, and he played a Soviet in ‘The Hunt for Red October.’
    We ignore these coincidental incidental potentially subversive truths at our own peril.

    In other news, did anybody hear that Ted Cruz’s father was born in Cuba!?! (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  361. Afaik, you have already argued it multiple times, and I already anticipated it in what I said.

    Fwiw, commitment to the rule of law and not being a transnational leftist is what is important,
    Even if you can trace paternal and maternal lines back to Plymouth rock with not a non-citizen among them.

    MD not exactly in Philly (deca84)

  362. And since his mother was born in Scotland, can we really trust The Donald to place his sympathies for the United States above those of…Scotland?

    My God he’ll have us all wearing kilts. The bagpipe version of “Hail To the Chief”?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  363. Isn’t common core sort of an expansion across state lines of yet another layer of central planning?

    How are we supposed to close the Dept of Education that way? Swimming in the wrong direction.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  364. papertiger, it might start out with kilts…but then it’ll morph into sharing secret intelligence with Edinburgh. Next thing you know, the Scots will partner with the Canadians to invade Maine. We could have avoided all of this if Donald Trump’s father had married a woman from Nebraska.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  365. You might have troubles, but I look good in a skirt. Better than Mel Gibson.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  366. @308- “Now kids turn on the TV, and they see that the guy who might become the next President is calling a female news anchor a “bimbo,” and he’s calling a distinguished Senator a “p*ssy.””

    Pffft. Oh their virgin ears. Apparently you don’t know much about the wholesome prose of Missouri’s Harry Truman. Or the eloquent White House telephone recordings of Texan, LBJ. Or the squeaky clean banter on the Oval Office tapes of California’s Dick Nixon. TV? Pfft. So old school. Kids click on to the Nixon tapes online and do shots at every ‘expletive deleted.’ Takes less than 15 minutes to get wasted.

    DCSCA (a343d5)

  367. Colonel, ropelight, et al.:
    Honestly, I think Volokh is missing a log to grasp at straws.

    The big point is that “natural born” includes more people than just persons who are subjects/citizens by right of the location of their birthplace: it can be expanded by statute.
    And if the Natualization Act of 1790, passed by the first Congress, were the current law on citizenship, it would be indisputable that Ted Cruz is eligible for the presidency.

    As far as enforcement of the rules on eligibility goes, the court rulings on the ‘birther’ lawsuits were to the effect that state election boards, the electors, and Congress were responsible for determining eligibility.
    The resolution of Congress holding that McCain was eligible implicitly means that statutory citizenship due to the circumstances of one’s birth (by right of lineage or by birthplace) is adequate: McCain was born in an unincorporated territory, while the Supreme Court has ruled that unincorporated territories do not count as ‘within the US’ for citizenship under the Constitution.
    As far as states’ conclusions, the Illinios board of elections has ruled that Cruz is a natural-born citizen, and that arguments to the contrary are without merit.

    Ibidem (f7be92)

  368. Ibidem, why is this so difficult? McCain was born to two American citizens residing at a military base, where they were compelled to be by the United States government. The Panama Canal Zone was U.S. jurisdiction. Just like a United States Embassy in a foreign country is United States sovereign soil, so to was the Panama Canal Zone, as well as the m-i-l-t-a-r-y base in the Panama Canal Zone.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  369. Beldar,

    Your argument boils down to Jeb can’t be bought for such a small amount, but obviously he can and was. Sad, isn’t it?

    DRJ (15874d)

  370. Wrong thread. Good. I’m tired of talking anyway.

    DRJ (15874d)

  371. As for principles vs pique, ropelight, we’ll know you have principles when it’s your ox being gored and you stick with them anyway. I actually think you might on this topic but we don’t really know for sure, do we?

    DRJ (15874d)

  372. He’s unrefined, actually a bit course from time to time, but I’ve seen nothing which would render him socially or politically unacceptable

    Not his multiple adulteries?

    Would you leave him alone with your wallet? Or with your wife?

    Milhouse (87c499)

  373. Can we agree that there is, on this blog, a version of Godwin’s Law that says whomever brings up “Natural Born Citizen” in debate, loses?

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  374. Do you really believe that the Founders themselves would say, “Diplomat Jones’ son isn’t a natural born citizen because he was born in London while his father was conducting diplomacy! Too bad for him!”

    Once again, this is a dishonest argument, because diplomats’ children are different. They have always been accepted as different, and to this day they are different. The 14th amendment makes children born in the USA automatically citizens, no matter who their parents are, except diplomats. A child born in the very White House, or in Independence Hall, one of whose parents happens to be a foreign diplomat, is not a US citizen, and is in fact a natural born citizen of the parent’s country. This is in Blackstone, people.

    However if the parents were abroad on their own business rather than the country’s, then I think the founders would indeed say the children born abroad were not natural born citizens of the USA, although Congress by statute gave them all the rights and privileges of that status. I say this not based on the constitution’s text, or on Jay’s letter, but on Blackstone.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  375. The Obama Presidency established that there is no federal mechanism to screen or disqualify candidates under this clause.

    Actually there is. Congress may instruct whoever counts the electors’ votes not to count votes for a candidate it deems ineligible.

    The only screening mechanism is State-based and, like it or not, they treat Cruz and others like him as eligible if one parent was a citizen.

    You seem to refer to the state authorities who determine the names that appear on the ballot, but remember that the constitution says nothing at all about this, for the simple reason that the Australian ballot didn’t exist in 1788, and nor did Australia. The constitution speaks of whom the electors may vote for. The only people with a constitutional duty to consider the eligibility clause are the 535 electors themselves, and the Congress that counts their votes.

    The framers had no notion that candidates for elector would pledge their votes in advance, let alone that whoever chose the electors wouldn’t even know their names, but would be presented with a printed ballot with a choice of presidential candidates to whom various would-be-electors had plendged their votes. This concept of a prepared ballot was invented in Australia in the 19th century, and the eligibility clause is irrelevant to it.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  376. Wait until Trump sycophants discover that Trump’s mother was not even a natural born citizen of the United States.

    She wouldn’t have to be, even according to ropelight. The Vattel-based position (which I think is invalid) is that both parents have to be citizens, not necessarily natural-born ones. If both parents had to be natural-born citizens, then there could be never be any such thing as a natural-born citizen! How would the first NBCs be created, so that they could produce more? Martin van Buren was the first president born in the USA. Both his parents were citizens at the time, but they were not natural-born ones. So according to the theory you’re putting in ropelight’s mouth, he would not have been a NBC either. And therefore neither would his children have been NBCs, or their children, etc. That should be enough to refute this non-theory, which has no support from any text anywhere.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  377. The Panama Canal Zone was U.S. jurisdiction. Just like a United States Embassy in a foreign country is United States sovereign soil, so to was the Panama Canal Zone,

    No, it wasn’t. It was an unincorporated territory. I agree with you about the military base, though; in my view servicemen posted overseas are in the same category as diplomats. For the same reason I would not give 14th-amendment citizenship to the children of foreign soldiers stationed at a hypothetical foreign military base in the USA.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  378. Your argument boils down to Jeb can’t be bought for such a small amount, but obviously he can and was. Sad, isn’t it?

    Um, no, he wasn’t. He made an utterly inconsequential choice — which of two football teams to support — based on the one thing he knew about one of the teams: that at least one of its members was his supporter. That sounds to me like a perfectly sound basis on which to make that choice. It’s at least as good as basing it on where each team happens to have its headquarters.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  379. Can we agree that there is, on this blog, a version of Godwin’s Law that says whomever brings up “Natural Born Citizen” in debate, loses?

    Godwin’s Law doesn’t say that. I was around on usenet when he came up with it, and it merely observed that in every heated discussion, if it progresses long enough, someone will eventually make a argumentum ad Hitlerum (which is a perfectly valid argument to make) and that once that happens no further useful discussion ensues. The law said nothing about anyone winning or losing as a result; it was a descriptive law, not a prescriptive one.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  380. 381… wrong, Milhouse…

    “Effective July 1, 1951, under an act of Congress September 26, 1950 (64 Stat. 1038), governance of the Canal Zone was through the Canal Zone Government with the canal operated by the Panama Canal Company until 1979 when the Panama Canal Commission took over its governance.[19][20] The entire structure was under the control of the United States government with the Secretary of the Army appointing the Panama Canal Company board of directors and the Canal Zone Government was entirely financed by the company.[21] The office of Governor of the Panama Canal Zone was not usually a stepping stone to higher political office but a position given to retired senior Army officers of the United States Army Corps of Engineers.[22] The Governor was also President of the Panama Canal Company. The Canal Zone had its own police force (the Canal Zone Police), courts, and judges (the United States District Court for the Canal Zone).

    Everyone worked for the company or the government in one form or another. Residents did not own their homes; instead, they rented houses assigned primarily based on seniority in the zone. When an employee moved away, the house would be listed and employees could apply for it. The utility companies were also managed by the company. There were no independent stores; goods were brought in and sold at stores run by the company, such as a commissary, housewares, and so forth.

    In 1952 the Panama Canal Company was required to go on a break even basis in an announcement made in the form of the President’s budget submission to the United States Congress.[23] Though company officials had been involved in reviewing the requirement disclosure before the public announcement was precluded by regulation even though the Bureau of the Budget directed it become effective March 1.[23] The company organization was realigned into three main divisions; Canal Activity and Commercial Activity with the Service Activity providing services to both operating activities at rates sufficient to recover costs.[24] Rate adjustments in housing and other employee services would be required and a form of valuation, compared to a property tax, would be used to determine each division’s contribution to the Canal Zone Government.[25]

    Tensions and the end of the Canal Zone Edit

    In 1903, the United States, having failed to obtain from Colombia the right to build a canal across the Isthmus of Panama, which was part of that country, sent warships in support of Panamanian independence from Colombia. This being achieved, the new nation of Panama ceded to the Americans the rights they wanted in the Hay–Bunau-Varilla Treaty. Over time, though, the existence of the Canal Zone, a political exclave of the United States that cut Panama geographically in half and had its own courts, police, and civil government, became a cause of conflict between the two countries. Demonstrations occurred at the opening of the Thatcher Ferry Bridge, now known as the Bridge of the Americas, in 1962 and serious rioting occurred in January 1964. This led to the United States easing its controls in the Zone. For example, Panamanian flags were allowed to be flown alongside American ones. After extensive negotiations, the Canal Zone ceased to exist on October 1, 1979, in compliance with provisions of the Torrijos-Carter Treaties.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  381. #380 Milhouse,

    You seem to have zero ability to perceive people’s tone. First of all, I didn’t put any words in ropelight’s mouth—there’s no room for words, the way he’s always got his first in there. But more importantly, my cracks about Donald Trump’s mother being born in Scotland was all very light-hearted and tongue-in-cheek. I followed it up immediately by joking about Sean Connery being born in Scotland and having played a Soviet in ‘The Hunt for Red October.’

    By the way, John S. McCain III was born to American citizens at a military installation in a U.S. jurisdiction, where they were compelled by the United States government to live. End of “controversy.” And the notion that the Founding Fathers wrote the framework deliberately excluding natural born citizenship to any offspring that might have been born during the course of a diplomatic venture in London or Paris at at time in history when a diplomat would easily be away from the United States for MONTHS at a time, is totally and completely insane.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  382. @Cruz Supporter, McCain was certainly born to American citizens in a U.S. jurisdiction.
    But under the Constitution, as interpreted by the SCOTUS, land under U.S. jurisdiction is not automatically a part of the U.S.–only states and incorporated territories count.
    As a result, it was necessary for Congress to enact a law granting citizenship by right of birthplace to those born in the Panama Canal Zone; the final law on that was enacted in 1952.

    Ibidem (f7be92)

  383. 381… wrong, Milhouse…

    Followed by a long cut-and-paste from WP, containing not a word about the Canal Zone’s status. I was not wrong, Colonel, I was correct and I stand by my words. The Canal Zone was an unincorporated territory, and therefore people born there were not born in the USA, and did not get citizenship by right of the 14th amendment. It was up to Congress, and until Congress got around to providing that children born there should be citizens, they weren’t. When McCain was born, children born in the Canal Zone were not US citizens. Congress later decided to make them citizens, and made it retroactive to the day they were born. Had the Zone been an incorporated territory none of this would have been necessary, because the 14th amendment would have made them citizens, just as it did children born in Hawaii or Alaska.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  384. And the notion that the Founding Fathers wrote the framework deliberately excluding natural born citizenship to any offspring that might have been born during the course of a diplomatic venture in London or Paris at at time in history when a diplomat would easily be away from the United States for MONTHS at a time, is totally and completely insane.

    Once again you make a thoroughly dishonest argument. Nobody has suggested that children born abroad to diplomats are not natural born citizens, so that has no bearing on the status of children born to non-diplomats. It is invalid and dishonest to use it as evidence for the meaning of NBC. And I’ve pointed this out to you often enough, including in the very comment to which you just responded, so it’s very unlikely that you made it again out of mere ignorance. I wasn’t accusing you of dishonesty before, but I am now.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  385. Cruz Supporter, you seem not to grasp the distinction between incorporated and unincorporated territories. The 14th amendment says that any child born “in the United States” is automatically a US citizen, regardless of what Congress says about it, unless the parents were immune from US law, e.g. because they were diplomats. Incorporated territories are part of the United States, and children born there are 14th-amendment citizens; even if Congress wanted to say they aren’t, it lacks that authority. Unincorporated territories are not part of the United States, so children born there are not citizens unless Congress says so. When Goldwater was born Arizona was an incorporated territory, so the 14th amendment gave him automatic citizenship. When McCain was born, Alaska and Hawaii were incorporated territories, but the Canal Zone was not. If his parents had been civilians he would not have been a citizen until Congress changed the law retroactively to make him one. (I would say that he was nevertheless a natural born US citizen, because his parents’ military status made them subject to US jurisdiction, just like diplomats.)

    Milhouse (87c499)

  386. Puerto Rico is an unincorporated territory (or at least it was; its current status is in the courts). Until 1941, children born there were not US citizens. In 1941 Congress made them citizens. If it had been incorporated then the 14th amendment would have made them citizens regardless of Congress’s wishes.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  387. At #375, DRJ asked:

    As for principles vs pique, ropelight, we’ll know you have principles when it’s your ox being gored and you stick with them anyway. I actually think you might on this topic but we don’t really know for sure, do we?

    DRJ (15874d) — 2/11/2016 @ 4:32 pm

    Well, since you put it that way, shall I abandon my support for Trump to prove I really did support him for weeks here against an onslaught of vicious calumny? Would that assuage your doubts?

    ropelight (6d8c45)

  388. Here’s an excerpt from Conor Friedersdorf’s article at theAtlantic.com which indicates the broad appeal of Trump’s candidacy.

    The Unexpected Breadth of Donald Trump’s Appeal

    The exit polls couldn’t be clearer. As Ramesh Ponnuru put it, “They raise questions about what we think we know about the Trump phenomenon.” Since the Granite State is so white, it didn’t test the candidate’s performance among minorities. But Trump proved an ability to best all his rivals among the following groups:

    Women. He got 33 percent of their vote. The runner up, John Kasich, got 16 percent.
    All ages. He won among 18-to-29-year-olds, 30-to-44-year-olds, 45-to-64-year-olds, and 65-and-over, his worst demographic, where he still won 31 percent of the vote.
    He did better in the city and the suburbs than in rural areas, but won all three locales.
    He won among voters with college degrees and among those with graduate degrees.
    He won voters who make under $30,000, voters who make $200,000 or more, and all income ranges in between.
    He won people who self-describe as “very conservative,” those who are “somewhat conservative,” and those who are “moderate.”
    He won among evangelicals and non-evangelicals.
    He won among those who feel that they’re getting ahead financially, those who think they’re holding steady, and those who believe they’re falling behind.
    He won among those who think that the next generation will have better lives and those who think they’ll have worse lives. (He tied with John Kasich among those who feel that the next generation will have it roughly as good as this one.)
    In addition to winning among voters who think that immigration policy is the most important issue, he won among the respective groups of voters who named the economy, terrorism, and government spending as most important.
    He won among people who want to deport illegal immigrants and among those who believe that they should have a chance to apply for legal status.
    He won among Republicans and independents.
    He won among the married and unmarried.
    He won among those who feel that leadership qualities are most important in choosing a president, and those who felt that “the issues” are most important.

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  389. His best percentage was with women? He does have broad appeal.

    nk (dbc370)

  390. i love how he casts a wide net he’s just like jesus

    fisher of men!

    and also women!

    happyfeet (831175)

  391. If you want to show you have principles, criticize Trump for saying he might pick Cruz as VP. Apparently he doesn’t share your principles since he’s willing to ignore where Cruz was born. Given that this issue matters so much to you, why doesn’t his hypocrisy on this issue make you doubt everything he says?

    DRJ (15874d)

  392. Hitler got 34% of the vote too, in 1933. Oh, wait, this was a primary, in a blue state. Trump got maybe 12% of the state’s total vote.

    nk (dbc370)

  393. I think Trump’s appeal is that he will do anything to win, and that appeals to people who are tired of seeing America change/fail. I understand that appeal. I don’t understand being unable to admit he could ever be wrong.

    DRJ (15874d)

  394. 387… Milhouse, you saying the cut and pasted passage doesn’t refute your erroneous contention (when it obviously does… and there was much more than that, google’s your friend) says a lot about your mental acuity.

    Colonel Haiku (47d8f4)

  395. DRJ, speaking of principles, I’ve got a question for you. If Patterico was strongly in favor of Trump instead of Cruz, would we see roughly the same level of outspoken support for Cruz we see here now, or would Trump’s qualities mysteriously find a more appreciative reception.

    An honest answer could reveal something about the nature and provenience of principles, how and under what conditions and influences they’re conceived, strengthened or eroded. Which will shine a light on how influential leaders and social group mechanisms tend to inspire conformity of both thought and action.

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  396. #395, DRJ, your question about Trump picking Cruz as his VP reminds me that I asked the same question of Patterico back when he was proudly announcing he would refuse to vote for Trump if he got the GOP nod.

    I found the statement so wrongheaded that I conceived the hypothetical (Cruz in the VP spot) to highlight Patterico’s intransigence. Of course Cruz is ineligible for both the presidency and the vice presidency because he’s not a natural born citizen, in my view.

    Trump knows Cruz in ineligible, why he mentioned it is a reasonable question for the next debate. It would be a good idea for you email it to the next group of moderators? I’d like to hear Trump’s response.

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  397. I asked you, ropelight, not Trump. I know what he would say. He would call me a name and move on.

    DRJ (15874d)

  398. If Patterico supported Trump then he would write posts that explained why, just as he’s done with Cruz. In addition, I think the commenters here would have supported the same candidates — whether it was Cruz or Rubio or whoever — and they would have said the same things they’ve said in the past months.

    In other words, the candidate Patterico supports wouldn’t change who the rest of us support or our willingness to say who we support. Do you really think we are that spineless, or have I completely misunderstood your comment?

    DRJ (15874d)

  399. Do you think having backbone is the same as having principles, ropelight? I see the similarities but I’m not sure they are the same. Trump has backbone which makes him strong, but I don’t see him as principled or honorable. His values float with the wind, and I don’t think yours do. Maybe that’s why it bothers me that your support him.

    DRJ (15874d)

  400. OK, DRJ, here goes. Your comment (#395) opened with a taunting command:

    If you want to show you have principles, criticize Trump for saying he might pick Cruz as VP.

    The truth is, DRJ, that if I didn’t have principles, or if my principles were easily malleable, I’d roll over and follow your orders like a little whipped dog. But, you don’t get to decide what my principles are, nor do you get to call the tune and demand I dance to your expectations. You forget your place. I respect you, but you don’t own me.

    I see no hypocrisy in Trump’s statement, just as I saw no hypocrisy in my hypothetical question to Patterico. Trump says a lot of controversial things. His detractors are reduced to grabbing at straws trying to find some nit-pick that will stick to the wall they’re obsessed with nailing him to. Silly things like his hair, his affection for fast women, or his penchant for splashing his name in bold and fancy ways on his buildings, to more reasonable concerns about his bankruptcies or his support for eminent domain, to serious issues like his lack of experience in elected office.

    So, I’m not overly concerned about what any candidate blurts out on the campaign trail. If there was more to it than a nice left-handed compliment to Cruz that took on a life of it’s own (like Trent Lott’s compliment to Strom Thurmond) then I’d take more interest. But as it stands now – it ain’t no big thing.

    DRJ, I’m not concerned about Gotcha games either, and I’m surprised and a bit disappointed you would push the issue. But thanks for responding to my question at #399. May I recommend a book?
    Street Corner Society by William Foote Whyte. He has a keen insight into the topic of group dynamics.

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  401. DRJ, I hadn’t seen your comment at #403 before I posted at #404. I’ve been overly harsh, please accept my apology. I do respect you and I’m in your debt for a past kindness, so forgive my oversight, it was my error, not your transgression. I want to get this comment up quickly, and I’ll take the time to give your most recent comment my full attention.

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  402. I look forward to your response. These are important times and we all care about what happens, so our emotions are higher than usual. This election isn’t going to make me stop being your friend.

    DRJ (15874d)

  403. DRJ, you’re correct, backbone and principles are not the same but they are as closely related as eggs are to chickens. The problem is that too often stubbornness is mistaken for backbone and vice versa. Which leads to proxy disputes over principles.

    I suspect your principles and mine are nearly congruent. Perhaps if I explain my support for Trump again, in this context, you’ll not be bothered by apparent differences in principle.

    First and foremost, I want to win the White House and I believe Trump is the candidate best suited to prevail against whoever the Democrats run.

    As excellent a candidate as Ted Cruz is, and as much as I admire his principled stands in the Senate, I don’t believe he meets the constitutional requirements for the presidency. As such, the Democrats would savage him on that point in a general election – right, wrong, or unsettled – Dems will do anything to keep control of the Executive Branch – (anything including assassination if it comes down to it. And, it wouldn’t be the first time, or the second, or the third time either.)

    I don’t oppose Ted Cruz, on the contrary I’m a big fan, but the constitution is paramount and we must not allow its authority to be chipped away by the goading urgency of contingent circumstance.

    Yes Ted Cruz would make a splendid chief executive but he’s ineligible, and if we allowed ourselves to make an exception for this worthy candidate (we already looked the other way for Barack Obama) the precedent would be set and another foundation block in the wall that protects our republic will have been pried out exposing the body politic to opportunistic infection.

    That’s how I see it, others here, honorable men and women all, see it differently, I’m OK with that, but I wish they’d quit throwing mud a me for holding to a different point of view. I’m not an enemy, I’m a good friend who insists on telling an unpleasant truth that you don’t want to hear.

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  404. I don’t agree but I accept your position on Cruz’s eligibility. Is that the reason you support Trump, or do you think Trump is more electable than Cruz overall and not just because of the eligibility issue?

    I think your supper for Trump is more than just eligibility. If so, why? In other words, wWat factors make Trump an appealing candidate to you? It could be things like his willingness to attack the media and to take “unpopular” positions and to speak out about non-PC issues. Those are important issues in this post-Obama world.

    But for some people, I think Trump’s appeal is based on his celebrity, his wealth, and his flamboyant and sometimes vulgar attitude. His shock value. Those are not important values and, more important, I’m worried they are not things that will make someone electable in the general election.

    DRJ (15874d)

  405. By the way, my opinion on eligibility isn’t based on “looking the other way” on the legal issues. I think Cruz is eligible. Unfortunately, I don’t think he can prove it.

    DRJ (15874d)

  406. DRJ, offhand I don’t know if I’d still be supporting Trump if Cruz was born in Levittown to parents whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower and an unbroken string of generations farmed the family land grant continuously ever since.

    I’ll give it some thought and get back to you. However, my first reaction is that Trump is more electable than Cruz regardless of the eligibility issue, but certainly elimination of the eligibility issue would put them in a head to head race, mano y mano, and I’ll include my conclusions along with my promised response to your initial question.

    Trump appealed to me initially because of his outspoken support for border security – his willingness to take a stand is something our cowardly politicians have been tip-toeing around ever since the federal government refused to build the fence Ronald Reagan’s Amnesty Bill required.

    I’ve been screaming pissed about that for enough years to pay off a home mortgage. So, almost from day one Trump got my attention. Nearly everything he’s said since then makes sense to me. And, he’s a fighter, he wants to win, and he’ll do what it takes to come out on top. I like that in a leader, and it’s appealing to like-minded followers, and I know a bit about what it takes to earn the respect of strong young men, they’ll proudly follow a leader who knows where he’s going and how to get there.

    Trump is brash and bold, if unschooled in the PC world of national politics, and he’s a refreshing change from the usual eunuchs, stock kabuki characters, and generational tweedle dee and tweddle dum sockpuppets the parties usually offer up as this election cycle’s great new savior.

    I’m sick to death of the Washington elites, Democrat and Republican, a pox on both their houses. I want an outsider, a man that can’t be bought, someone who will run the special interest lobbyists out of town, someone who will crush public employee unions, a man who will throw down on terrorists and kill the sons of bitches wholesale. A man who will demand accountability from the damn IRS and lock up Lois Lerner and freeze her bank accounts and stop her pension checks till the filthy whore comes clean.

    Waterboard the bitch, Hillary and Obama too, Huma Abadin, Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan, and Patrick Kennedy. Shoot the lot of them if they won’t talk, I don’t give a tinker’s damn. I’ve had enough. It’s time for heads to roll and Trump looks like the man who is most likely to put the hammer down.

    There, DRJ, does that about cover it?

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  407. DRJ, my comment in response to your #408 is in moderation.

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  408. Thanks. I’m sure it will show up eventually but, as Hoagie said in another thread, it’s about emotion now. I don’t see the point of trying to talk to people online anymore.

    DRJ (15874d)

  409. 387… Milhouse, you saying the cut and pasted passage doesn’t refute your erroneous contention (when it obviously does…

    Lying about it won’t change it. There’s nothing in there about whether the canal zone was incorporated. It wasn’t. End of story.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  410. DRJ said, I don’t see the point of trying to talk to people online anymore.

    It’s a point we all come to sooner or later. When asked why I comment, did I think I was changing anyone’s mind? My response was that I comment for my own edification. Putting my thoughts in standard English compels me to refine my thoughts, organize arguments, and I learn from the process. The act of writing is educational, I often finish some distance from where I begin. I enjoy learning and writing is enjoyable – difficult, but enjoyable.

    I don’t expect anyone to read my comments and respond by acknowledging they were completely wrong in the past and were now grateful to have been shown the light. Humans just aren’t like that, even if it is more true than not.

    So, bottom line: I write for my own pleasure and to educate myself. If someone else finds my thoughts interesting or infuriating enough to write back (and keeps a civil tone) I’m grateful.

    ropelight (ec9a8c)

  411. Canal Zone is a red herring. Both of McCain’s parents were U.S. citizens and his citizenship was guaranteed under the Citizenship Act of 1934 even if he had been born in the Kremlin. https://americansabroad.org/files/3013/3478/0295/18-04-2012_1318_971.pdf

    nk (dbc370)

  412. My response to DRJ at #410 is still in moderation. I’ll remove the offending parts and insert (parenthetical) replacements, make a few minor edits, and give it another shot. Here goes:

    DRJ, offhand I don’t know if I’d still be supporting Trump if Cruz was born in Levittown to parents whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower and an unbroken string of generations farmed the family land grant continuously ever since.

    I’ll give it some thought and get back to you. However, my first reaction is that Trump is more electable than Cruz regardless of the eligibility issue, but certainly elimination of the eligibility issue would put them in a head to head race, mano y mano, and I’ll include my conclusions along with my promised response to your initial question.

    Trump appealed to me initially because of his outspoken support for border security – his willingness to take a stand is something our cowardly politicians have been tip-toeing around ever since the federal government refused to build the fence Ronald Reagan’s Amnesty Bill required.

    I’ve been screaming (angry) about that for enough years to pay off a home mortgage. So, almost from day one Trump got my attention. Nearly everything he’s said since then makes sense to me. And, he’s a fighter, he wants to win, and he’ll do what it takes to come out on top. I like that in a leader, and it’s appealing to like-minded followers, and I know a bit about what it takes to earn the respect of strong young men, they’ll proudly follow a leader who knows where he’s going and how to get there.

    Trump is brash and bold, if unschooled in the PC world of national politics, and he’s a refreshing change from the usual eunuchs, stock kabuki characters, and generational tweedle dee and tweddle dum sockpuppets the parties usually offer up as this election cycle’s great new savior.

    I’m sick to death of the Washington elites, Democrat and Republican, a pox on both their houses. I want an outsider, a man that can’t be bought, someone who will run the special interest lobbyists out of town, someone who will crush public employee unions, a man who will throw down on terrorists and kill the sons of (Muhammad) wholesale. A man who will demand accountability from the (darn) IRS and lock up Lois Lerner, freeze her bank accounts, and stop her pension checks till the filthy (so-in-so) comes clean.

    Waterboard the (witch) Hillary and Obama too, Huma Abadin, Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan, and Patrick Kennedy. (Use a firing squad on) the lot of them if they won’t talk, I don’t give a tinker’s (darn). I’ve had enough. It’s time for heads to roll and Trump looks like the man who is most likely to put the hammer down.

    There, DRJ, does that about cover it?

    ropelight (e65ab1)

  413. “The Panama Canal Zone was U.S. jurisdiction.” – Cruz supporter

    “No it wasn’t.” – Milhouse

    Yes, it was, Milhouse. Now admit you were wrong.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  414. Well said, although I can’t agree that Trump is the man who will take on these challenges. He’s the last person in America who will do that because he won’t risk his empire. He says what people want to hear but does what’s best for his bottom line.

    I agree with the personal value of thinking about and writing comments … but the value is in having to defend comments when they are challenged, not in composing them. Our ideas always sound great to us when we write them. It’s only by having them challenged and having to defend them that we see whether they are good ideas.

    There are many smart commenters here, and they put their strong intellectual and emotional efforts into writing what they think. But how many refuse to answer specific questions about what they’ve written or get offended by those who dare to disagree? The test of our ideas is the ability to stand up to questioning, not writing the perfect essay. As long as this is the case, commenting is no longer worth it to me.

    DRJ (15874d)

  415. It was not 14th Amendment jurisdiction for purposes of citizenship, anymore than West Berlin was. But like I said, that’s irrelevant.

    nk (dbc370)

  416. Did you know that Hoover’s VP Charles Curtis was born on Indian land in the Territory of Kansas, a year before Kansas became a State?

    DRJ (15874d)

  417. Would Trump put Hillary Clinton – a guest at his wedding – in jail? Is there any universe where that might happen?

    DRJ (15874d)


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