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1/31/2016

Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll: Still Trump

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:44 am

[guest post by Dana]

The Des Moines Register released polling results of a selection of likely Republican caucusgoers:

Trump stands at 28 percent, while rival Ted Cruz has slid to 23 percent. But there’s still a strong case for Cruz in this race — he’s more popular and respected than Trump, the final Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll shows.

“The drill-down shows, if anything, stronger alignment with Cruz than Trump, except for the horse race,” said J. Ann Selzer, the pollster for the Iowa Poll.

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According to those polled, this is where Trump is vulnerable:

It bothers 60 percent of likely caucusgoers that Trump supports using government powers to seize property. It bothers 56 percent that he supported abortion rights in the past and would not have banned late-term abortions.

As for Cruz, those polled didn’t like that he borrowed $1 million dollars and forgot to disclose it, as well as not supporting Renewable Fuel Standards.

The good news for Cruz is that he is the go-to guy for Trump, Rubio, and Carson supporters who may change their minds, and that’s not an insignificant number of voters:

…71 percent of Trump’s supporters say they’re certain they’ll vote for him, compared to just 29 percent who may yet switch, the Iowa Poll found. Among Rubio’s supporters, 47 percent were committed while 53 percent said they may switch to another candidate.

The poll also found that Cruz is the clear second choice of Rubio voters, by a two-to-one margin.

Therefore, it’s no surprise that the Cruz camp is putting a lot of money into negative ads airing this weekend which will focus primarily on Rubio’s support of amnesty.

And there is this:

GOP caucusgoers are more comfortable with Cruz winning the nomination, becoming president and representing the United States to the world than they are with Trump.

If the race eventually comes down to two Republicans, 53 percent say they would prefer Cruz as the nominee, not Trump. Just 35 percent would choose Trump in a one-on-one contest with Cruz.

In light of Trump and Cruz still holding first and second spot, the Des Moines Register amusingly describes the mounting concerns of the GOP establishment:

Mainstream Republicans, faced with seeing governors Jeb Bush and Chris Christie stalling and the grim reality looming of a victory by a smash-mouth game show host or an ultra-conservative obstructionist, have gravitated toward Marco Rubio.

–Dana

68 Responses to “Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll: Still Trump”

  1. Good morning. Forgot to put this up last night.

    Dana (86e864)

  2. still way too many poopers

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. Got to get those fields fertilized for the spring planting.

    nk (dbc370)

  4. Well, there are many over the counter medications that can help you with that.

    Simon Jester (cbb0e9)

  5. What do they do the other three years, though?

    nk (dbc370)

  6. R.I.P. Frank Finlay, actor perhaps best known to American audiences for playing Porthos in the Three Musketeers films of the 70’s

    Icy (1487a4)

  7. an ultra-conservative obstructionist

    I love how members of the media characterize Cruz as “ultra,” but never or rarely use that same prefix to describe, for example, ultra-liberal Bernie Sanders or, for that matter, the ultra-liberal (and to hobnob with characters like Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc, for decades is the epitome of ultra based on the reality of like attracting like) currently occupying the Oval Office.

    The “shhh, don’t be so candid!” mindset that prevails throughout society — rooted in the notion that it’s best to avoid talking religion and politics to keep things peaceful and friendly — is one major reason various Republicans, including some staunch conservatives, are clinging to extremely flawed, ideologically volatile Donald Trump. Simply put, desperate times are making people do desperate things.

    Mark (f713e4)

  8. As for Cruz, those polled didn’t like that he borrowed $1 million dollars and forgot to disclose it, as well as not supporting Renewable Fuel Standards.

    Of course he did disclose the loan in the logical place for that disclosure: on his personal form, and it didn’t occur to him that he was required to do it on the campaign’s form as well. After all, it wasn’t the campaign’s loan.

    And not supporting the ethanol subsidy is a good thing.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  9. Milhouse,

    Cruz gave a very succinct explanation on his ethanol policies this morning on one of the talk shows. I’ll put up a post. Unfortunately, it’s a stand that doesn’t play well in Iowa, in spite of it being consistent in his fight against cronyism and government subsidies. In this he plans to do just what he said he would do.

    Dana (86e864)

  10. Have faith…vote accordingly. If you believe the polls, most of us are idiots. Until proven otherwise, let’s assume we haven’t lost our collective minds. Monday will tell.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  11. The problem with that poll is that much of Cruz’ late bump is among moderates, the same people targeted by that stupid flyer.

    There’s a danger that support is soft, as Bush 41 found out.

    The people “offended” by that flyer seem to be switching to Rubio.

    formwiz (6b3a5a)

  12. The people “offended” by that flyer seem to be switching to Rubio.
    formwiz (6b3a5a) — 1/31/2016 @ 9:02 am

    The evidence for that is suspect in my eyes. Very much like the time I was hanging out on the showroom floor, considering the newest Hondas, while waiting for my vehicle to be serviced, when i heard a commotion behind me. One of the salesmen had offended a fellow who stormed out with the warning “You just lost a customer! I’m taking my business to Mercedes!”

    The salesman noticed my rude stare and offered, “he’s here almost everyday just to get a cup of coffee. I’m thinking the salesman only asked “Are you ever going to buy a car?” Meanwhile onlooking crybullies are predicting the eminent closure of all Honda dealerships.

    felipe (56556d)

  13. Egads (hands trembling), what are we to think now that an innocuous flyer from a junior staffer has come to light? If some of you consider this make or break…vote for Hillary and let it be done.

    Trump has advocated partial birth abortion, federal universal healthcare, amnesty without consequence, and financially supported anti-TEA party candidates.

    Yeah, hard choices this election.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  14. I predict Cruz gets as many voters as he was going to get, in Iowa, before this episode.

    felipe (56556d)

  15. It’s not “still Trump“. For the Register this is where they abandoned trying to steer, fool, or deak the voters, by falsely playing up candidate x, y or z.
    Now they’re polling to make sure when the ballot is counted they don’t look like the Shillery hills they are.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  16. It’s “Trump” suddenly! Unexpectedly!

    Just like the employment numbers out of Washington.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  17. Is Rubio a bad guy? No, not really…his only sin is selling out his supposed convictions to K street and desire for more sway in congress. Some of us will never vote straight R due to the likes of him.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  18. Second choice in a primary.

    Why did they bother asking that question? Expecting a plane crash? Maybe it’s fodder for the psychology department the liberal love.

    For the rest of us, you’re supposed to vote for the loser you like a lot. That’s what primaries are for.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  19. @#16, pieter;

    Regarding Rubio, even if we set aside his gang-of-8 and amnesty issues, and his baldfaced lies to Florida voters, his bought-and-paid-for votes for sugar subsidies, etc. Heck, let’s take every domestic issue and put it aside, and just look at foreign policy;

    If you love Hilary’s foreign policy, you’ll love Rubio’s too. He, as a member of the senate foreign relations committee, publicly supported the Clinton/Obama war on Libya and leading from behind. He likewise supported their machinations to topple our ally Mubarak in Egypt and bring the terrorist Islamist Muslim Brotherhood to power.

    My position on him is that I will never vote for him, under any circumstances whatsoever.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  20. Arizona CJ
    Alfalfa is a no go.

    mg (31009b)

  21. Dont be surprised when Trump finishes 3rd behind Cruz and Rubio

    I suspect a big part of trump supporters are dem’s
    How many democrats are really going to crossover when there remains a major race on the dem side (dim side)

    Hillary is 4fer first female, lesbian criminal and black supporter (debac0)

  22. Cruz attacks Rubio, Rubio attacks Cruz. People decide they are both bad and vote for Trump. Nicely done, Donald.

    Negative ads, as practiced, seem to follow the logic of the Prisoner’s Dilemma: mild short-term gain for each individual; large, long-term harm to the political system collectively. Consider: if airlines, instead of trying to convince you that their planes and service were the best available, instead ran ads about their competitors crashes, poor service and weaselly executives they might gain a bit of market share as a result, but after a while no one would want to fly.

    Politicians have spent 40 years convincing voters to be cynical about politicians, and they have finally succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  23. Love him or hate him, Texas Monthly has a somewhat lengthy but informative look at Cruz from the standpoint of a reporter who’s been covering him since 2009 when she “spent a few hours at a reception in Dallas, surrounded by assorted young professionals, chatting with a lawyer who had some kind of job in the private sector and the earnest interest in public policy…”.

    http://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/the-top-10-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruz/

    crazy (cde091)

  24. I’m looking forward to the Iowa results to compare them to the polling. I’m predicting that, just like prior years, there will be major surprises. I have no freaking clue which candidates will do the surprising, but I’d bet money there will be surprises, likely more than one.

    Looking downticket, I’m also wondering what the effect will be in the bottom 1/3 of the field. My guess is that some candidates who end up under 3% in both Iowa and NH will be existing the race. However, that’s based on past years, and this year is quite different in a lot of ways.

    Arizona CJ (da673d)

  25. If Trump wins Iowa, and perhaps later caucuses…well, hunker down is my prescience guidance. Buy ammo and hope for the best.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  26. Ditto. Turnout + persuasive advocacy in each caucus usually = victory. It’s always interesting to see who over-performs and who under-performs.

    crazy (cde091)

  27. If you combine 1st and 2nd choice percentages, Cruz has a 5% point lead over either Trump or Rubio. Not a bad place to be.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  28. Jeb and Carly together have almost 5% of the voters eating out of their hands

    impressive.

    happyfeet (831175)

  29. According to Gallup, Trump’s unfavorability numbers are higher than any other Republican, or Democrat (ever) – and that includes Clinton. If he takes the nomination, where does that leave him if he’s running against Clinton?

    Dana (86e864)

  30. hillary has very pronounced unfavorables herself

    she’s disgusting

    happyfeet (831175)

  31. F+++ Iowa. Who gave these clowns determination on our collective future? No offense meant Ioawans, but you clown shoe wearing asswipes have entirely too much power over the future of this country…Iowans, you red neck shortsighted f+++s, choose correctly. Some of us are wondering whether to start an armed insurrection. Stupid f+++s, most don’t realize the import of their vote.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  32. “HEH: Clinton Ominously Tells Iowan Supporters To Mark Front Doors With Campaign Logo Before Sundown.”

    http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/225475/

    Colonel Haiku (c1f7e8)

  33. Well, Haiku, that Passover-themed command could get her in hot water, should anyone die.

    John Hitchcock (7c24ef)

  34. Jeb and Carly together have almost 5% of the voters eating out of their hands

    impressive.

    happyfeet (831175) — 1/31/2016 @ 12:33 pm

    I would pay $1,000.00 to watch Carly flog Happyfeet with a week old tasty Thai pancake and then kick his ass down the street and around the nearest corne. Word.

    Colonel Haiku (c1f7e8)

  35. she’s a 2% pooper Mr. Colonel

    and get a load of that face

    happyfeet (831175)

  36. Don’t disparage happy…he (or it) has honestly purported the insane….more than most of you with any conviction. Some of you have made arguments with less logical acumen than proffered by happy…recognize.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  37. #18 papertiger,

    What? The Iowa Republican Caucuses are not primaries. The reason they poll people about their second choice is because voters often throw their support behind choice #2 by the end of the evening. In a short answer, think of it as a convention, where the people who support candidates failing to muster substantial numbers of delegates end up being encouraged to throw their support behind one of the top-tier candidates.

    So, for instance, supporters of Fiorina, Christie, Bush, Paul, et al, will be encouraged to throw their support behind Cruz, Rubio, or Trump by the end of the evening.

    That’s why there’s often surprising results in the Iowa Republican Caucuses.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  38. #34 Colonel,

    I think happyfeet already pays a woman to flog him. Can you say, “Thank God for Craigslist!!” (LOL)

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  39. #31, pieter, take it easy, the Iowa caucuses are first in the nation, that’s just the way it is, someone has to be first and there’s no sense in ragging on the good people of Iowa who are fully aware of the importance of their vote and defend their first place status vigorously. Deal with it.

    There’ve been 2 major trends among the states in the recent past, some states have moved toward an early decision and others have wanted to be late in the process to make their decision decisive.

    The playing field may not be level, but all candidates play on the same field. For now, it’s the best we can do and it’s way too late to make changes this time around.

    ropelight (1b06f7)

  40. CS, where to start without causing offense…um, well, your Iowan electorate is short sighted and retarded…pretty sure they will overwhelmingly acknowledge a RINO…buy ammo and pray.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  41. thank you Mr. pieter

    happyfeet (831175)

  42. Rope, um…say something smart and I’ll respond in kind…Trump does not play on a level field, he adheres to Alinksky tactics which of course speaks volumes. Even in the general, I will never support that man.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  43. No problem, I won’t address you again.

    ropelight (1b06f7)

  44. #39 ropelight,
    Donnie doesn’t even want to play on the same debate stage. That’s how much respect he’s demonstrated for the people of Iowa.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  45. rope, don’t get butthurt…we are on the same team. Unfortunately, you are maybe less intelligent and erudite than most. Like you, I use to be narcissistic, considering myself smarter than others…fortunately, I am pretty intelligent, just not smarter than my peers (perhaps you).

    pieter (ec44a2)

  46. a lot of people say they won’t support Mr. Trump against disgusting old lady hillary but he’s gonna need halps to make america great again

    that’s where you come in

    you have to make a choose between disgusting old lady and Mr. The Donald!

    (remember only one of them promises to make America great again)

    advantage: Mr. The Donald

    happyfeet (831175)

  47. happy,

    some are destined, for greatness or infamy
    one’s definition of greatness is open
    please debate the questions, freely
    me, I hope for a stalwart, a someone
    A person who says “stop” to madness
    imaginary or not, call and demand, ask
    our country shrinks while meek men bleet
    pick, choose Iowa…we wonderingly beseech

    F+++, who cares…buy ammo and pray. Rome has fallen.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  48. yes yes you need ammos

    they about to kick all these poopers off the food stamps!

    happyfeet (831175)

  49. No offense meant Ioawans, but you clown shoe wearing asswipes have entirely too much power over the future of this country…Iowans, you red neck shortsighted f+++s

    None taken. Because I’m Californian. We usually get worse abuse. What do you call it when the target deserves what they get? I’m not sure abuse is the right word. Buse?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  50. Elvis is moving to the next thread.

    pieter (ec44a2)

  51. I would pay $1,000.00 to watch Carly flog Happyfeet with a week old tasty Thai pancake and then kick his ass down the street and around the nearest corne. Word.

    Colonel Haiku (c1f7e8) — 1/31/2016 @ 1:04 pm

    I have an idea, Herr Oberst: let’s start a GoFundMe, see how many takers we get. :)

    Bill H (dcdd7b)

  52. Absolutely devastating Cruz ad about Trump.

    “GUYS LIKE TED CRUZ WILL NEVER MAKE A DEAL.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOJrYxHQO-E

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  53. “Values voters” can easily be discouraged when our favored candidates fail to live up to the values we thought we shared.
    Which is a “funny” dynamic that puts such candidates at a great disadvantage,
    compared to those who are eager to vote for criminals, because power is what is important, not principle,
    (unless “principle” is defined as wanting to get away with whatever you want when you want, which is pretty much parallels criminality).

    MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84)

  54. With the Iowa caucuses on the horizon, Trump is now polling 9 points ahead of Cruz. And, Trump dominates in New Hampshire, his lead exceeds the totals of Cruz, Rubio, and Bush combined.

    ropelight (1b06f7)

  55. I think the 2016 is now about over almost before it even started. It will be Trump – Hillary with Hillary winning. Not sure what kind of margin of victory she’ll get. It could be a comfortable win. And if it’s not Trump – Hillary it will be Trump – Bernie. Not sure what that outcome would be.

    Gerald A (7c7ffb)

  56. They say there is a significant number of people that change their minds in the last day,
    Seems to me that this is a make-work program for political pundits.

    MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84)

  57. Luntz’ final group, which he ran earlier tonight, was maddening to me as a Cruz acolyte.

    The Trumpers were very up front that they wanted to use their vote to express their anger, and stick it to the GOPe. I’m not terribly upset with them as I share their contempt and I want massive change in the GOPe. They were being honest, as well. That goes a long way with me.

    Most of the others expressed that they needed to see more conservatism from the candidates on a given issue. On each one, Cruz is a proven rock-ribbed and committed conservative. But, what these panelists were actually doing was cherry picking the one issue where their guy (none were for Fiorina) was strongest as the reason to vote for him – never mind that Cruz was every bit as strong, or stronger on that, and everything as a whole.

    It is entirely clear that Cruz strikes a sour chord, for whatever reasons, and that folks look for any excuse to go elsewhere. It’s personality over principle. You know how Cruz is the 2nd choice guy for most? It’s a perfect illustration of what I outlined. Folks really do understand he is the best guy to really and truly effect change. But, in the end, he and what he promises, are too much for them.

    One thing for y’all to watch… Rep. King was also on Kelly. He said that a strong turnout, but not epic, gives Ted the best chance. This would be about 115-120K, or so. If it’s anything more than 130K? Trump wins. There’s never been a turnout that large on the GOP side. King is Cruz’ best ally in Iowa, so we can take that to the bank as their best thinking.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  58. #37 – cruz supporter…This year, the first vote is the one that will count and it will be transmitted immediately via specially-dedicated MS software. There will not be any late night surprises.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  59. Ed, another factor in the soft support for Cruz is the question of his legitimacy for the office of president. It hangs over his head like the Sword of Damocles, ignored or denied by his rabid supporters, but a clear and present danger to those drawn to his conservative message but unsure of his bona fides.

    Democrats are convinced he’s the easiest target in the general election. Cruz is by far their preferred opponent. They’re planning to harass him from dawn to dusk on the natural born citizen requirement. An accusation he can’t defend himself against. He was born in Canada and his father was a Cuban national.

    Cruz will be reduced to standing flat-footed making complex legal arguments to defend himself, and Democrat politicians, pundits, media personalities, newspapers, and street mobs like we saw in Ferguson will be out in force marching against foreigners who come here to take American jobs.

    Like they disqualified Romney as a greedy capitalist fat cat, they intend to disqualify Cruz as a foreign usurper. Count on it, they are.

    ropelight (bbc6ad)

  60. #57 Ed From SFV,

    There’s a lot of jockeying that takes place at the caucus prior to Republican voters actually voting. Each candidate has someone give a last minute speech, they take an informal straw poll, then there’s some gentle arm-twisting of the supporters of also-ran candidates to just choose one of the top-tier candidates. Then they vote. And that’s when the numbers for each precinct will be tallied.
    …and then the tallies will be entered into the MS software and transmitted so that the rest of the state will find out each precinct’s (and county’s) results.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  61. Democrats are convinced he’s the easiest target in the general election.

    This is outright silly. Newsweek says democrats hope Trump is nominated. Trump fares worse in general election matchups and has the highest negatives.

    Like they disqualified Romney as a greedy capitalist fat cat

    Why wouldn’t the dems hope to run against a greedier, more corrupt cartoon version of a capitalist fat cat?

    Binders full of women? Ha, try undeniable sexist. Trump has de facto endorsed the likely democrat nominee, for crying out loud. Imagine the ad:

    “Trump today says Hillary is an stupid ugly bimbo, because she stands in his way, but a few years ago he gave her 750 million trillion dollars, because he supported her political goals. Actions speak louder than words. Supporting Hillary: Trump’s dollars say it’s a good idea. I’m Hillary’s Walker and I approve this message.”

    Meanwhile, do you remember how Obama didn’t shut down the birther meme and many suspected he kept it alive because it makes his opponents look desperate? Cruz already showed us he was a natural born citizen. You’re acting as though the constitution says, clearly, one must be born in the USA to be president, but it just doesn’t say those words. Your interpretation is just your interpretation, contrary to the way the issue has been handled for decades.

    It’s not like Cruz hasn’t been a loyal American citizen every day of his life. He isn’t secretly beholden to the communists that share his Cuban heritage. I don’t even know what loyalty to Canada would mean, but exactly zero people are afraid of that. The basis by which they shut down the birther issue for Obama, standing, covers Cruz. If you say they could flip flop one election later, for the other political party, you are suggesting a level of chaos that is pointless to analyze.

    But you’re also not understanding how the electoral college works. The 20th amendment:

    if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President

    The GOP selects its own electoral college. The GOP holds congress. Do you not remember that when the birther meme was used against Obama, that the hoped for outcome was President Biden?

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  62. you have to make a choose between disgusting old lady and Mr. The Donald!

    (remember only one of them promises to make America great again)

    Which means one of them is more honest, at least in this respect. Advantage the known felon.

    Milhouse (87c499)

  63. Politics ain’t beanbag, Dustin, and Dems are already preparing attack themes against both Trump and Cruz. Neither Hillary or Sanders has a chance of winning on the merits. Dems know they must disqualify the GOP candidate to have any chance of prevailing in November.

    The attack against Trump will be against his greatest strength. They’ll go after him on his business accomplishments and try to undermine his appeal as a competent negotiator and builder. His bankruptcies will be the crack into which they’ll insert the thin edge of the wedge and then hammer it with sad tales of all the little people who got hurt so Trump could live high on the hog with his private jets, golf coursed, fancy women, and towers with his name on them.

    Against Ted Cruz the Dems will be unmerciful portraying him as a White Hispanic of dubious provenance seeking an office the US Constitution forbids to all but fully legitimate natural born citizens. A man who claims to be a political outsider but who worked in the White House for George W Bush. A sleazy lawyeer who represented foreigners against American citizens and got rich doing it. An opportunist who pretends to be a man of the people but has a wife on Wall Street who gets him sweetheart deals from Goldman Sachs.

    For the Dems to Win they’ll have to pull every dirty trick in their extensive arsenal of dirty tricks and Curz is a much easier target than The Donald.

    ropelight (bbc6ad)

  64. #60 Dustin, that’s a fantastic prosecution you just made.
    It’s kind of like watching an episode of “Perry Mason” or “Matlock,” and after you said you declared that you rest your case, the camera cuts to a wide angle shot of the jurors’ faces, as they nod at one another in approval.

    Cruz Supporter (102c9a)

  65. Ropelight,

    I proved you were wrong that the democrats somehow get the presidency if your birther claims are accurate. I also showed how they are not accurate anyway.

    I’m not sure if you missed that, as you seemed to ignore it in your response.

    I do not think the democrats are as stupid as you do. They aren’t going to explain how Trump was a successful jet setting badass. They are going to explain how he is dishonest, and how his actions speak louder than his often contradictory words. Trump’s actions endorsed Hillary louder than the a zealous MSNBC host could. His actions in business showed he is OK with making a deal with you, then abandoning what he promised to pay for that deal through billions in repeat and strategically planned bankruptcies. They will indeed show how many times Trump has lost in court.

    They will show that Trump is hypersensitive and easily provoked into rash actions that harm his own interests or make him look awful. They will show that Trump getting military power will hurt innocent people.

    Finally, they will show that Trump is unpatriotic, such as when he demanded veterans be removed from their businesses on 5th avenue, exploiting political connections he purchased. Trump’s actions there represent practically every single bad trait in our political system. Our troops deserve better, the democrats will say.

    Neither Hillary or Sanders has a chance of winning on the merits.

    Trump would be donating to them if he weren’t running.

    Dustin (2a8be7)

  66. Dustin, my good friend, bookmark this exchange and we’ll have few laughs down the road. One of us will eat a little crow and we’ll both work to keep a Democrat out of the White House, and winnow a few more jackasses out of Congress too.

    ropelight (bbc6ad)

  67. Trump/Rubio? I wonder if I can still get to this site when I’m living in Panama.

    CrustyB (69f730)

  68. Dustin, my good friend, bookmark this exchange and we’ll have few laughs down the road. One of us will eat a little crow and we’ll both work to keep a Democrat out of the White House, and winnow a few more jackasses out of Congress too.

    ropelight (bbc6ad) — 2/1/2016 @ 9:11 am

    Sounds good to me, man!

    Dustin (2a8be7)


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