GOP Debate Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
“Who’s going to watch a debate between the two Cuban guys? Who’s gonna watch a debate between Rubio, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz? Who cares?”
Well, Chris Matthews, in spite of your ugly bigoted sputterings, a lot of us will be watching the Fox News debate tonight because we care about this election and the state of our nation. (It’s not surprising that Mr. Bigot loves him the party running only white candidates…)
Missing in action, of course, will be the leading candidate, Donald Trump. Instead of being at the debate, he will be using our veterans hosting a fundraising event at Drake University in Des Moines to benefit veterans. Reports say that CNN and MSNBC will be covering the event.
Today I heard several commentators predict it will get bloody tonight with Cruz getting hammered from all sides. He has the most to lose, Rubio has the most to gain. Does the pack go after Trump or do they ignore him and actually focus on the issues at hand? And perhaps more importantly, does Fox News, and particularly Megyn Kelly, let them? And how about Trump, does he start to fall after this or does he hold fast to his lead?
It’s anybody’s guess at this point.
Live coverage of the debate here.
–Dana
Let the games begin.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 4:45 pmHey, Carly is on now, in the prelims! Nobody tells me anything.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 4:49 pmHere, nk.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 4:50 pmIs the ban on Politico off?
G (6a553a) — 1/28/2016 @ 4:57 pmThe two Cuban guys obviously don’t send a thrill up Mathhews’ leg. And their cleaner does not crease their pants well enough for David Brooks. The Cuban guys are doomed.
Gary Hoffman (1943bf) — 1/28/2016 @ 5:01 pmi heard Mr. Trump wasn’t even gonna be there
why are they still having it?
happyfeet (831175) — 1/28/2016 @ 5:05 pmHey! You’re not allowed to call anything racial “bigoted,” what’s wrong with you?! That’s a microaggression against the culturally retrograde community.
Leviticus (d62918) — 1/28/2016 @ 5:06 pmIt’s between a Canadian and a Cuban. So Matthews managed to insult the whole Eastern seaboard.
I’m voting for Happy Gilmore from the undercard, although Carly gave a good show name checking Obama, Clinton, and climate.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/28/2016 @ 5:10 pmThe sooner fox has a competitor that thinks team republican should be hung for treason, the better off America will be.
mg (31009b) — 1/28/2016 @ 5:22 pmMatthews is still upset that Obama did not kick out Michelle and make him First Lady.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 5:27 pmTaking no prisoners in the undercard match. Martha McAllum had a chunk taken out of her left ass cheek.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 5:31 pmFiorina saying what needs to be said about Clinton. Huckleberry is his usual smarmy self. Gilmore showed some righteous anger, before realizing it was causing his blood pressure to sky rocket, whereupon he simmered down.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 5:35 pmOh my. Megyn’s hair.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:01 pmThe “two Cuban guys” comment was funny, sheesh. Lay off the PC juice.
School Marm (f96753) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:03 pmCruz wants Trump supporters.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:05 pmR.I.P. Paul Kantner, guitarist for Jefferson Airplane/Stsrship
Icy (1487a4) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:06 pmCome fly with me – Ted Cruz
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:07 pmRubio: American exceptionalism! Obama stinks! Hillary stinks!
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:07 pmMegyn couldn’t resist Trump question. Even after Cruz’s clever “Trump portion of the evening” riff.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:07 pmJeb goes in for the kill: Trump’s not here, I’ll bash him now.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:08 pmJeb Bush looks alive tonight.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:09 pmSo far, Megyn is killing it with fair and substantial questions. I LOVE that she gave Cruz two bites of the apple to start out.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:09 pmI agree, nk. No Trump, Jeb cuts loose.
Dan (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:11 pmSometimes Rand becomes the voice of Nicholas Cage…
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:12 pmStupid question to Rand; stupid answer by Rand; did Cruz say he respects Ron Paul?
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:13 pmGood thing the debate is in Iowa. Kasich would be charged with assault in the third degree in Missouri.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:15 pmOh, shut up, Kasich.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:15 pmRubio wins the first round. Jeb did well.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:19 pmLink to live coverage added to post.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:24 pmI’m watching Trump, he gave $1 Million dollars to the vets. So far the event has raised $5 Million. The arena is full and thousands are waiting outside. There’s more media at the Trump event than at FOX’s boring debate.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:25 pmCruz not handling top status well. Rubio loving life right now.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:27 pmCruz’ attack on Wallace is absolutely correct on substance, and he has lost the debate because of it.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:30 pmThat was not becoming to Ted when he wanted to respond when his name was not mentioned. Awkward. And now the “Attack Ted” complaint. Let that go and dig into the issues.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:30 pmAlso, Cruz’s comment about leaving the stage places him in a bad light in my eyes. Even as a jest.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:32 pmShut up, Kasich!
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:32 pmWow, MK has “butterfly eyes.”
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:33 pmWhen Cruz or Rubio becomes President next January, he could nominate Donnie to be in charge of the Veterans Administration. Of course, Donnie may choose to forego the Senate confirmation hearing due to not wanting to be asked questions.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:34 pmIt was forced and came across that way. Off the cuff, it could have been funny, but I think Cruz planned to say that after any tension with a moderator and because of that tension it was very awkward.
Great debate though. Disagree with Rand Paul on some things, but between him, Rubio, and Cruz we’re getting an actual debate.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:34 pmChristie: Go ahead and snitch on your neighbors and trust the police to sort them out. Bye-by Christie, I have a mute button.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:37 pmRopelight @ 30,
I’m glad Trump is so supportive of the veterans. Now.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-wouldnt-allow-disabled-vets-to-be-near-trump-tower/
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:38 pmYes, we are getting actual debate. Wait, is Megyn in this debate? Backsassin’ the big guy.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:38 pmI agree that comment by Cruz was likely practiced, but he flubbed it. He picked a bad time to spring it.
Kasich hints that the government can beat any encryption. We already know that, I think.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:40 pmReally, Jeb? The most important Defense reform is the VA? And HE is the one trumpeting “experience” as an executive? What a turd he is.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:42 pm“..because of the sequester..” Jeb, Jeb, Jeb. sequester schmester!
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:42 pmIt’s a good debate. Without Trump, it’s substantive, informative, and everyone has a greater opportunity to actually explain their positions.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:43 pmCriminal justice reform is always talked about in election years, but afterwards nothing is done..
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:45 pmRand’s response to the cameras on cops question was very thoughtful; sounded equally liberal and libertarian, but still like a guy who has thought about these things.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:47 pmRIP – Paul Kantner, guitarist for Jefferson Airplane/Stsrship
Icy (1487a4)
Oh, my gosh… Drove in to my office very early this morning, caught just the tail end (thankfully) of Wooden Ships on the radio, and Jefferson Airplane… I was reminded just how much I dislike the Airplane and their music. And then I was reminiscing watching Paul Kantner on a panel – I think it might have been on Dennis Miller’s old CNBC show – and how comedian Paul Rodriguez (also on) would look askew at Kantner (actually like Kantner was some sort of Martian) every time Kantner said anything, got all over him for his drug abuse and told him there was no way he had any brain cells left, yada yada… and the look of shock and hurt on Kantner’s puss. It. Was. Awesome.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:48 pmDang. I’m glad I left the sound on for Christie’s Planned Parenthood jab.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:49 pmAgree with NK. Rand Paul seems like a genuine guy. That question about the body cams was presented with maturity. So far the horrors we heard about these youtubers seems silly.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:51 pmMegan Kelly needs to lose the little faux comedienne schtik, she ain’t funny. Go Cruz!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:51 pmSchool Marm is awfully school marm-ish. Yet consistently wrong.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:52 pmMegyn
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:52 pmI’m enjoying this debate. I’m enjoying the comments here as well.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:54 pmShe’s gotta lose the hair-don’t, too. I’m not feelin’ it. Chubwa rescinded.
Settle down, Rubio.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:54 pmI’m thinking that Fox is going to be the winner; “see what a decent debate we can have without Trump?”; and they set it up that way with fair, substantive questions.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:56 pmI’ll second that, nk.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:57 pmKasich just answered the question about gov’t backdoors into crypto systems by saying, in essence, go away ,kid, you’re bothering me. That’s not a question that should be discussed, even philosophically, by the hoi polloi.
He’s another two bit politician with delusions of grandeur.
bud (791f49) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:57 pmMurdoch is as pro illegal workers and the granting of rights to them as anyone. No coincidence that tonight, immigration has not come up a single time. No coincidence that none of the candidates have brought it up either, with Trump not there.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:57 pmTrump is using veterans as political props and cover for his cowering fear of being confronted by a strong woman with questions. Won’t move the needle with his supporters one tiny little bit. He’s a coward. And a hypocrite. Almost as bad as F@ckabee and Santorum trying to cuddle up to Trump for his stalwart Christian faith. It is to laugh.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:58 pmCruz was very good on repeal Obamacare question.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:58 pm” by the hoi polloi.”
That drives me crazy every time!
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:59 pmAsk and ye shall find, Ed.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:59 pmKasich is beyond tiresome.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:59 pmOh snap, going at Rubio on Amnesty.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 6:59 pmIt’s pronounced ee po li, felipe. The many.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:00 pmAccent on the li; accent on the po makes it “the city”. 😉
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:01 pmI made a quick check of the debate, Megyn Kelly’s got a sorta Tammy Faye Bakker look goin’ on.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:01 pmThe Gang of Eight will forever haunt Rubio.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:01 pmHe’s bobbing and weaving. All the while Megyn’s got her she-fu going on. “Badgering the witness comes to mind.”
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:02 pmI am so biased that I don’t think my opinion really means anything, but Rubio looks like someone bought a generic politician android and installed some focus group tested software on it. I know Jeb is persona non grata, but he doesn’t come across that way. At least Jeb will defend the amnesty concept so it can be debated, instead of posing for votes.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:02 pmWhether you agree with Jeb, his response to legalization of illegals was also thoughtful.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:03 pmRubio just reached for an unpopular limb to prune from the climate monster. No roots to be touched.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:03 pmka-BOOM! And Rubio is doubling-down by attacking Jeb, who pretty much supported him for supporting the “pragmatic” approach???? Even more dumb than Cruz earlier attacking Wallace.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:03 pmDustin,
Rubio seems to understand that he’s not taken as seriously as other candidates, and therefore seems to a.ways be struggling to decide on which persona he’s going to go with in the moment.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:04 pmOf course. But it is “the polloi” or “hoi polloi”, not “the hoi polloi” the the polloi?
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:04 pmChris Christie has withstood the scrutiny and stands on his record. And he is second to no one… No One… in his love for a delicious jelly donut.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:05 pmCruz’s amnesty chickens are coming home to roost.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:06 pmWhy is it that things like the Gang of 8 are held around Rubio’s neck, but Trump’s litany of support for leftist causes, leftist politicians, and political donations isn’t held around his neck?
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:07 pmI like that Cruz attacked Wallace. He needs to be attacked more often.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:07 pmIt’s a rhetorical question. It really kind of answers itself.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:07 pmRubio needs a new doo too. Who do? He do.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:09 pmRubio will never win a fight claiming Cruz is not a conservative. He is blowing it. Cruz is now winning tonight.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:09 pmI know Wallace has an axe to grind for Cruz, but after noting he keeps asking people to attack Cruz (which was true), and Wallace was kinda obnoxious saying Cruz can’t respond to Wallace’s comments like he could the other candidates, Cruz should not have gone for the joke. He leveled a serious complaint so he should have kept it serious, IMO. No big deal I guess. I’m more worried about how people see the showbiz stuff than I am personally worried about it.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:10 pmColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:05 pm
Heh, you got me.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:11 pmThat hair-don’t and her pointy ears celebrate Kelly’s Irish roots. There was a time when I’d be after more than her lucky charms…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:11 pmThe Jersy Pumpkin is making sense. “Stop the Washington bull!”
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:11 pmI’m listening for a few minutes, can’t say I care for what sounds like bickering.
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:12 pmThe answer is, Trump was not a politician before = people have a hard time believing that he had any positions before he announced for president the second time. (he also ran in 1999 and into 2000)
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:13 pmJohn Kasich looks like the guy who tried to sell me some of that pot stuff many years ago.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:14 pmThe Repentagon, John Kasich? Freudian slip?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:15 pm#82, Colonel, Rubio has a new rug. It’s a lot better than his old rug.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:15 pmAnd ropelight throws out another already debunked falsehood against Cruz. Typical of the Trumpsters, sadly.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:16 pmA Trumpy talking about someone else’s hair is comical. Beyond belief.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:16 pmYeah, Felipe, hoi polloi literally translates as ”the many”, but it mentally translate as ”ordinary people” so that using an article in front of the phrase seems better gramatically.
Back to the subject, we’re getting vicious out there. Rubio called Cruz a liar.
bud (791f49) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:18 pmMegyn Kelly has Tammy Faye’s pet tranchulas pasted to her eye lids.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:19 pmNice take-down of Hilary! by Rubio.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:20 pmRubio is way off his game now. Worst debate for him, by his own hands, by far. Savior? Really? What a pandering answer for evangelicals. No GOP voter would hold that renark against him, and he turns it into a defense of JC????
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:20 pmHeh.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:22 pmUnless they’re named Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson or Obama.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:22 pmChristie used the words ‘knew nothing’s . I immediately stuck a coal scuttle helmet and morph it into ‘I know nothink!’ He’shot the physique to fit Schultzie’s uniform, too 🙂
bud (791f49) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:25 pmTrump tonight:
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:25 pmGreat debate with the turd not in the punchbowl. But to think that we could have had this from the beginning if the media and Rince Pubis had just told Trump to go suck a squid.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:26 pmTurn the VA over to veterans to run, close the Dept of Education, severely constrain the EPA, the Dept. of Transportation, decontaminate the DOJ, enact true healthcare reform, cut regulation, turn the IRS over top to bottom, simplify the tax code, flat tax, eliminate Democrats, etc.
Can I get an amen?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:28 pmHi bud! I meant nothing personal by my remark. You were not the first, nor will be the last person to employ that combination of words that just drives me crazy – because my brain “sees” the the many”.
To be honest, for the longest time I read words in a different “cadence” than others around me. This never impacted those around me until I started acting on the stage, in Kindergarten, where I said my lines in the same cadence I had read them. This lead everyone, listening, to wonder what I meant. Nk gave an excellent example.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:31 pmI’m watching this on a delayed (recorded basis)… WTF on this hit on Rubio with recorded footage…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:32 pmI’m really enjoying this debate. But Ropelight is right about those eyelashes!
Rand Paul kinda failed to stick to his principles on state’s rights just now. Granted, Wallace is really trying to gotcha him. I guess abortion is the third rail.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:33 pmI’ve been noticing Megyn’s … ahem … eyes for years. Man, you guys have slow hormonal responses. 😉
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:36 pmEd from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:20 pm
He might be trying to close the “faith” gap, but I agree with you. Perhaps he is addressing some criticism that cut him deeply.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:37 pmMegyn has eyes? I didn’t even know she had a neck.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:38 pmEvery time I hear a Politician talk about Health Care reform I am reminded of how ignorant even the smartest are about health care. And the MSM ….. they are even dumber.
Rodney King's Spirit (3adc86) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:38 pmColonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:32 pm
Yeah, WTF?
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:38 pmSebastian: “You got to bat your eyes (bats eyes) like dis.”
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:40 pmMy “healrhcare reform”:
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:41 pm1) Repeal ObamaCare
2) Allow interstate sales of health insurance, with the seller’s state regulating and not the buyer’s state.
On Rubio? It was on Cruz. You know, the other Cuban.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:41 pmHas Carson been struck dumb, lost the power of speech? I forgot he was even there.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:41 pmYeah, nk. They hit Cruz next.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:44 pmHate crimes against Muslims?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F Fox. What utter crap.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:45 pmAhem, “muslim-American?
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:45 pmMooslims, thank you.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:46 pmIs that like “catholic-American?”
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:46 pmYeah, she pronounced it weird. Also I agree with her that middle eastern food is irresistible.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:46 pmHow about “evangelical-American?”
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:47 pmRand, it’s not because Hillary’s husband has mistreated women; it’s because Hillary herself has.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:47 pmCruz eating up the clock.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:48 pmGood point, Dana.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:51 pmmiddle eastern food is
irresistibleindigestibleFIFY, Dustin
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:52 pmISIS is as much the fat girl’s enemy as it is yours.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:52 pm#123, Dana, Rand knows better yet he pointedly gave Hillary a pass when the opportunity to slam her for abusing women, quite viciously, lots of them, was open and obvious. I wonder why…
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:53 pmmiddle eastern food is
irresistibleindigestibleNot for people with teeth.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:54 pmAfter first giving Cruz the honor of bashing Trump, Fox opened by attacking Cruz through the others. They just closed trying to poison the Iowa well for Cruz. That, my friends, is an agenda.
I do have to give them praise for the destruction of Rubio with those videos, and Megyn’s refusal to let him ignore the “path to citizenship” quote.
Luntz’ group went 23 of 27 for Rubio tonight.
I think Cruz did enough to not lose the lead he has Iowa. However, his petulance in the beginning cost him the perception of winning tonight.
Ed from SFV (3400a5) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:54 pmI ate teh food with my right hand and they gave me the stinkeye…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:55 pmMaybe I’m beating a dead horse but Megyn Kelly looks too much like a lipstick lesbian for it to be an accident.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:55 pmCruz just said he was going huge on ethanol. Just like that other guy. Going to remove limits on blend percentages. So gas stations don’t need to tell you how much ethanol you are buying. Or maybe they just give a range of possible blends.
Not liking the direction it’s going.
Carson picked up Cruz’s old position.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:56 pmI think they all (well, not all) missed opportunities to bash Shrillery at one point or another.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:56 pmIn their defense, the food was served by a Greek fellow who kept sneaking up on our table from the rear.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:58 pmnk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:54 pm
Oh, burn. Glad is wasn’t ,moi.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:58 pmGreat. Carson misquoted the Preamble. It’s not the first time either. What’s next? “Jose, can you see …”?
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:59 pmJeb turned the clock back to remind me of the worst aspect of his brother, and promises to continue in that.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:59 pmcolonel fires back!
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:59 pmFiorina did better than all of these guys tonight. Unfortunately, she did it at the wrong debate.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:59 pmCruz’s position on ethanol:
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:00 pmRemove subsidies and mandates, and let the free market decide. That could mean no ethanol, or even higher levels of ethanol, depending on the free market’s decision and not government’s.
Shocking that ropelight spent this thread bashing everyone involved. Maybe if Trump wasn’t a coward, he could have stood up there and offered his explanation why he supported Clinton, and Schumer, wrote checks to the Clinton Foundation, and his other various forms of praise for leftist policies. But he won’t. Because he is a coward.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:01 pmI have never despised and resented Trump and all his enablers more than at this moment. For cheating us out of the debates we should have had, like the one tonight, all this time.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:02 pm“Cruz’s position on ethanol:
Remove subsidies and mandates, and let the free market decide. That could mean no ethanol, or even higher levels of ethanol, depending on the free market’s decision and not government’s.”
This is a concept so foreign to the others that they just make shlt up to criticize it.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:02 pmFIorina chewed on Hillary like a starving terrier would a rat. And then she went after Martha McAllum. I don’t think she cares for her.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:04 pmThis debate was a lot of fun to watch, even with that gal saying ISIS is our fault for being mean to her on twitter or something. She didn’t seem to be too worried about brutality towards women at the hands of refugees or even in Islamic theocracies, but hey, they aren’t on twitter so whatevs.
This was a substantive debate, and it was a professional debate that makes the GOP look smart and ready to lead this nation. I sincerely hope the ratings were strong.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:05 pmRand Paul picked up more of the pro-life vote, but lost a lot of those of us in the middle.
Decoding his meandering answer to the abortion question, he wants to define human life as starting at conception, and make that a federal law. In other words, he’s in favor of completely outlawing abortion.
bud (791f49) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:06 pmI’m not kidding, felipe. He was making us nervous with his furtive darting back and forth to the kitchen. We told him, “knock that sh*t off, Zorba”.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:07 pm146… Great point, Dustin. Compare this to the pathetic clown show the Dem “debates” have been.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:09 pmWell, since human life does indeed start at conception…
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:10 pmJD, how dare you talk about our next president like that. Have you no shame, at long last, sir, have you no shame?
If you can’t find it in your heart to respect the front-running candidate for President of the United States then at least show some respect for me. I didn’t bash everyone involved, more than a few I’ll grant you, but not everyone yet.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:10 pmWow… I just saw that Mooslim woman… what a crock. Like there’s anything rational about ISIS.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:12 pmI’m curious, ropelight, as you are our resident Trump supporter, what would it take for you to decide another candidate was more worthy of your vote? We continually hear that his supporters are fixed and unpersuadable, so I’m wondering if that’s true?
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:13 pmOne person here does anyway. Repeatedly.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:14 pm“Beauty and lifestyle videos”? Ms. Noor could do with a little less lamb and rice and a little more of the halal rice cakes.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:14 pmI have to say a Trump – Hillary race would be like some weird reality TV show.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:14 pmSorry, the front running candidate has to be a candidate. The voters didn’t see your guy up there running for anything. 80 percent of life is showing up.
I’ll take Ben Carson stuttering and trying over a guy who can’t fight 7 days a week.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:16 pmFrank Luntz has the worst rug by far, and he despises Trump. Hummm, maybe I’m on to something…
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:17 pmFrank Luntz is the poor man’s Louie Anderson.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:18 pmI like Frank’s voice; it’s gravely with gravitas with just a hint of impudence.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:19 pmThis is the first debate I actually watched, though I saw clips of the other ones. What a difference four years makes. Luntz looks terrible. I keep expecting him to yell that he’s living in a van down by the river.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:19 pmropelight,
It’s shocking that you suggested Megyn Kelly might be a “lipstick lesbian.” I can’t believe you’re actually a Trump sycophant. With your etiquette and gentle demeanor, I’d think you’d instinctively be a Ben Carson supporter.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:21 pmLuntz looks terrible. I keep expecting him to yell that he’s living in a van down by the river.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:19 pm
I have a terrible feeling that he will suffer a heart-attack very soon.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:22 pmIt seems that, in order to be one of the “hair club”, you have to use homoerotic slurs. If you don’t, you get kicked out of the “hair club”.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:22 pm#153, Dana, If Trump wasn’t in the race I’d be OK voting for almost any of the major GOE candidates (except Rand Paul, Ben Carson, or John Kasich) I think Cruz, Rubio, Christie, Jeb, and possibly a few others would be far preferable to anyone, anyone, the Dems might run.
However, as of now, as long as Trump is in the race, he’s got my support. Baring new information, an atomic bomb couldn’t change my mind.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:25 pmJohn Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:22 pm
You lost me, John. Am I that naive?
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:25 pm“JD, how dare you talk about our next president like that. Have you no shame, at long last, sir, have you no shame?
If you can’t find it in your heart to respect the front-running candidate for President of the United States then at least show some respect for me ….”
I could not care less if he is performing well in polls. To me, that is a sign of how far we have fallen as a country. The idea that poll performance demands respect is laughable.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:26 pmDonald “the hair” Trump.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:26 pmOh, yeah, duh.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:28 pmHey, check out Ted Cruz sitting there, with Megyn Kelly challenging him on a sticky issue for him, and he doesn’t appear to be losing his cool. He’s actually able to explain his poison pill tactic in like ten seconds. When she’s done he says she did a good job. Not that she’s a bimbo. But that she did her job.
Say what you will about her, but compared to the networks she was a great moderator. I didn’t see her going out of her way to help anyone, and she was tough on everybody.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:28 pmThen,I assume that Rand has your vote, John Hitchcock.
For the rest of us, there is a distinction between ”life” and ”human life”.
IIWD, I’d define the start of human life as brain activity, which roughly corresponds to the end of the first trimester.
bud (791f49) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:31 pmTrump was really missing in this and not just his physical presence. And it was most welcomed.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:31 pmMan this Luntz group is mos def in for teh Rubio.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:33 pmNo, bud, Rand does not have my vote. And “the rest of” you are contradicting science.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:34 pmRand will not win. Like Santorum, if he could be elected nationwide, we wouldn’t need him in the first place. America would already be operating at optimum performance. But he is a “protest candidate” you can vote for without needing to wash your hands afterward.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:35 pmCarson, too.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:36 pmSo a totally different set of questions if Donald had been there. What a crock! So yeah, we should all be pissed that we were denied this kind of debate previously.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:36 pmHowever, as of now, as long as Trump is in the race, he’s got my support. Baring new information, an atomic bomb couldn’t change my mind.”
Ropelight, what exactly is it that makes you stick with Trump? We know he’s not a conservative, and yet your comments (as I recall anyway) are typically conservative, small government stands. I don’t understand how you square that?
Further, what sort of new information would pull you away?
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:39 pmOops, forgot to close italics.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:40 pmbud, I was genuinely excited when they asked Rand Paul that question. It’s one of those core issues in the GOP. Are we federalist when it comes to controlling states on our deeply held views? I don’t know if it’s because Fox News was feeling defensive, but they asked a lot of serious and well considered questions of the right candidates.
Two of the youtube questions were not good, but one was.
I am dismayed by the FoxNews analysis about how Rubio was amazing. No he wasn’t. Even if you agree with him on everything you have Jeb looking much more confident about the same stands.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:41 pmJD, I didn’t mention polls and had no conscious thoughts about polls, however I did have my tongue firmly in my cheek. I was reacting to you calling Trump a coward. He’s not without his flaws but cowardice isn’t one of them. That’s a schoolyard taunt and a cheap one at that. He wisely refused to walk into a trap designed to humiliate him, a trap baited with stupid insults, and set to be sprung by a black hearted hussy.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:43 pmPost debate analysis is where they tell you what your opinion should be.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:44 pmHe wisely refused to walk into a trap designed to humiliate him, a trap baited with stupid insults, and set to be sprung by a black hearted hussy.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:43 pm
I find this persuasive. Especially in light of the moderators admission that there were two completely different sets of questions dependent on Trump’s presence. Probably different video questions, too.
felipe (56556d) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:48 pmOoh, evil woman! Seriously, ropelight? Trump can’t handle a TV babe and he wants to be President?
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:50 pmInteresting take from the VodkaPundit… http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/225289/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:51 pmBush/Fiorina 2016.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:52 pmThe IQ level jumped by 29 points. The science is settled.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:52 pmTake-aways:
1. A debate without Trump is somehow saner.
2. A debate without moderators intent on gotcha and ambush would be even better. Chris Wallace is really a turd.
3. I know that Cruz was an All-American debate champ but somewhere along the way he lost whatever he had — he can be amazingly tone-deaf.
4. I would really not want to be in a debate with Rubio. Even when he is spouting complete hogwash, he is so utterly convincing.
5. Winners: Rubio alone.
6. Cruz helped a bit, but not as much as he might have. Christie helped a bit, but not as much as he needed to. BUsh helped a bit by being unwooden, but he is almost at the whining state now about how he could be a good president if only we would let him.
7. Carson has my respect as a man, but he should move onto the next act.
8. Rand again failed to win “most annoying” as that was won by our returning champ Jar Jar.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:52 pmropelight – if front-running candidate isn’t a reference to polls, then what is it? There is no front-runner by any measure except by polling at this point. Everyone is tied today, with 000 electoral votes.
There were no loaded questions, traps, or whatever excuses you wish to draw from in order to explain away his cowardice. Meghan effin Kelly was apparently too much for the Donald to deal with. This should make us all scared as heck of how he would deal with Putin, the Norks, ISIS, etc …. Maybe he’ll just compliment them on how they consolidated power. Calling it cowardice isn’t a taunt. It’s a fact. If he can’t deal with reasoned questions from Fox, just wait til the general.
JD (b3cb62) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:53 pmNote that Chris Wallace blamed BUSH for “getting us into a war in Afghanistan.” What a miserable excuse for a turd.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:55 pmHe is a smirking little POS, that Wallace.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/28/2016 @ 8:56 pm#181 ropelight, so you’re now opposed to schoolyard taunts? When did that epiphany transpire?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:00 pmInteresting, and revealing piece on the Muslim gal here: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/01/26/2868743/
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:03 pm#178, Dana, You’ve got me pegged, I’m a conservative through and through, a 10th amendment conservative. Trump has staked out strong conservative positions – build a wall, send illegal aliens home, bomb ISIS, etc.
I’m fully aware of the ongoing campaign to find inconsistencies in his background, but none of that persuades me his current positions are insincere. For years I’ve supported and voted for candidates who talked like conservatives (Rubio most recently) who made promises on the hustings and did a complete 180 degree turn once in office. I’m fed up with professional politicians – a pox on every damn one of their sorry asses.
I’d drop Trump like a hot potato if he was behind the Benghazi cover up, or if he conspired to fund Islamic terrorism, or tried to import 10s of thousands of so-called refugees. Lots of other similar treacheries – pretty much anything Obama or Hillary wants to do.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:03 pmJD, it’s clear you want to call Trump a coward and claim he’s afraid of Megyn Kelly. I don’t see it that way. Enough said.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:10 pm#195 ropelight, do you deny that Trump asked to have Megyn Kelly removed as a debate moderator? You’re kidding, right?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:14 pmNoor’s question was actually a softball. ISIS are bona fide psychotic evil, and won’t be stopped by being nice to them on social media. It’s suicidal to try.
When I see folks get mad at Fox and say this foolish viewpoint justifies Trump refusing to show up, I think that’s completely backwards. Noor’s point of view is actually not that uncommon, and it’s causing a lot of suffering in Europe. W addressed that point of view by catering to it, and so I definitely want GOP candidates to show me how they would address it better.
If she’s so wrong then it shouldn’t be hard for a presidential caliber candidate to explain how it’s wrong, and that is valuable.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:18 pmHere’s Megyn Kelly’s first question to Donald Trump in the first FOX debate:
Trump objected the question was unfair. Some observers agreed and others disagred. However subsequent events have demonstrated the animus FOX harbors toward Trump. Again, there’s mixed opinion. But, it’s Trump’s call, he’s not at the beck and call of FOX NEWS, he doesn’t have to dance to their tune. The hell with the media – they’re a pack of jabbering fools anyway – uninformed, lazy, overpaid, and puffed up with self-importance. Let them talk to themselves.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:35 pmRopelight,
As a conservative, does it concern you that Trump was in favor of the the stimulus, the auto bailouts, and the bank bailouts? It concerns me as a conservative, because from the get-go it screams big government is the answer.
Dana (86e864) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:41 pmTrump whined that Megyn treated him unfairly, then bragged that he won the debate. So . . . WHY could he not show up tonight and — no matter what kind of questions Megyn threw his way — win again?
Icy (1487a4) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:41 pmThe bottom line is that Trump did us all a favor by staying away tonight.
nk (dbc370) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:49 pmAll these Establishment types have a long history of doing one thing and saying another, so we have to reject them all, even ones that don’t have that history, because they’re part of the establishment now.
Donald Trump has a very long history of anti-Conservative actions and statements, but we have to ignore all that, because he’s saying the things we want to hear.
Cognitive dissonance writ large.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/28/2016 @ 9:52 pmBut Donald Trump has been voting Republican since he was in his 60s! (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/28/2016 @ 10:06 pmI don’t know how any truly staunch conservative can approach the idea of Trump being the Republican nominee, and what his presidency would be like, without a lot of apprehension and suspicion. I don’t know how any strategic-thinking conservative can approach the idea of Cruz being the Republican nominee without worrying that his demeanor interwoven with his ideology will be a tough sell to the growing numbers of left-leaning saps and suckers throughout America.
I’ll feel more passionate about Republican versus Republican, or certainly rightwing versus squish-squish, when the horror that is Hillary is squashed, shredded and put out with yesterday’s trash. The very fact someone as lousy and defiled as her has been — and still is — considered by far too many people (pollsters, pundits, analysts, bookies, oddsmakers and others) as the presumptive successor to what’s now the US president is a sign of just how far down this society has fallen. Which means the electorate is so potentially irrational (after all, look at the bilge it slotted into the White House in 2008 and again in 2012), that it shouldn’t be concluded Bernie Sanders as Democrat nominee automatically doesn’t have a prayer come this November.
Mark (f713e4) — 1/28/2016 @ 10:10 pm#199, Dana, yes those things concern me, but as a successful businessman Trump knows that a bloated bureaucracy is exactly the type of parasite that feeds on its host till both eventually die. I expect him to see the virtues of limited government and act accordingly.
Personally, I’d like to see the federal workforce reduced to about 20% of it current strength.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 10:14 pm. I expect him to see the virtues of limited government and act accordingly.
Why would you think that given the positions I mentioned that he supported? Would he have an epiphany? What would cause him to see government’s role differently? This doesn’t make sense to me.
Dana (d93c3f) — 1/28/2016 @ 10:21 pm#200, Icy, Trump had bigger fish to fry than Megyn Kelly. He’s after Rupert Murdoch and his 2 sons. They’re behind the open borders agenda and it was on their direction that FOX abandoned journalism’s ethics and committed to a stealth program designed to knock Trump out of the race.
By refusing to kowtow to the great and all powerful OZ, Trump established his complete independence, he elevated himself above the reach of FOX pipsqueaks.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 10:24 pm#205, Dana asked, What would cause him to see government’s role differently?
When you operate a for-profit business you think in terms that are different than the ones you apply when managing the Executive Branch of the federal government.
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 10:29 pmIt’s definitely a case of cognitive dissonance.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/28/2016 @ 10:34 pmBeing as “subsidies” for oil coal and natural gas are in the form of tax write off for depreciation of equipment, the same write off that applies for every business, what are the odds that Cruz is going to rewrite the tax code entire?
As opposed to the subsidies for ethanol, mandated by law use of 36 billion US gallons by 2022.
He ain’t doing any of that. He won’t stop even one windmill.
Advantage Trump.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/28/2016 @ 11:20 pmThe canadian crud showed everyone what a nasty sociopath he is. As lincoln said you can’t fool all the people all the time.
trumpet (49545b) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:22 amI cannot for the life of me fathom why Sen. Cruz thought it useful to quibble with the moderators about being picked on. That was awkward and tone-deaf. Otherwise I thought he did well.
As a group, they managed to do something useful for the GOP, and simultaneously (or perhaps thereby) corrosive to Trump’s prospects: They seemed like grownups. They projected more stature and seriousness. The contrast to previous debates was marked, and not in a way that favors Trump.
Rand Paul’s mailing it in. Chris Christie continues to run for Attorney General. John Kasich continued to be Democrats’ favorite Republican, which might indeed be useful to him in New Hampshire but almost nowhere else.
Cruz and Rubio both absorbed some shots, but with the exception first noted (regarding Sen. Cruz’ quibbling), I don’t think either got knocked down.
Beldar (fa637a) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:23 am^^ Explaining: Cruz was the front-runner on the stage. Being picked on is natural and, indeed, a compliment, and he should have been expecting it and reveled in it.
Beldar (fa637a) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:25 amBeldar,
Chris Wallace’s habit of asking X about Y’s statements a,b & c, then not letting Y have a say after X agrees that the statements are terrrible is cowardly. At best. I understand SHY Cruz was so upset. It was really rather underhanded.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:11 am*WHY
You would think if I go to the trouble to capitalize something, I’d check the spelling.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:12 amsounds like it was pretty lame
lispy fruit loop Dr. Ben Carson hardest hit is what i’m reading
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:19 amspeaking of fruit loops
we have more than one statistic to gauge the health of the economy you goddamn momo
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:25 amBeldar,
I think Cruz’s irritation comes from being frustrated and, perhaps for the first time in his life, he is unable to come up with a plan to deal with the source of his frustration.
We know Cruz is very smart, goal-oriented and a methodical, hard-working person. He showed these qualities as a child who memorized and studied the Constitution, as a teenager who re-invented himself to become popular with his classmates, as a student whose focus enabled him to excel in the most elite schools, and as a lawyer who accomplished things very few lawyers have done. Cruz has always found ways to accomplish his goals and to succeed.
But there is one thing Cruz cannot change about himself that I think has seriously hurt his candidacy with voters: His Canadian birth. Trump hurt Cruz with the citizenship issue — some polls suggest 30% or more of the Republican base won’t vote for Cruz as a result. And as one of the finest Constitutional/Supreme Court litigators, Cruz knows there isn’t any legal way for him to resolve this problem.
Thus, perhaps Cruz’s irritation and frustration comes from knowing that the one thing he can’t change about himself — where he was born — may be the one thing that keeps him from his dream.
DRJ (15874d) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:31 amWe’ve had an empty chair President and now we may have an empty podium President. If so, that’s unfortunate for America and all Americans.
DRJ (15874d) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:38 amhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-28/americans-really-really-hate-government
Word.
Those of you who think either Trump or Cruz will win the nomination are being silly. They have to unite to have any say at all.
DNF (755a85) — 1/29/2016 @ 4:14 amThe GOPe is sitting in the catbird seat and will turn this contest in to a dry hole.
DNF (755a85) — 1/29/2016 @ 4:20 amNot pretty:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-28/250000-caterpillar-bulldozer-can-be-yours-low-low-price-5500
No bottom in view.
DNF (755a85) — 1/29/2016 @ 4:25 amYour omnipotent, omniscient government at work:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-28/damn-it-janet
Elections are a joke and you are the butt.
DNF (755a85) — 1/29/2016 @ 4:31 amMr. Senator Ted Cruz went full-on Miss Priss last night?
harvardtrash don’t get to do that, Teddypickles
it just plays into people’s worst assumptions about your kind
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 4:31 amReal gross domestic product — the value of the goods and services produced by the nation’s
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:33 ameconomy less the value of the goods and services used up in production, adjusted for price
changes — increased at an annual rate of 0.7 percent in the fourth quarter of 2015, according to the
“advance” estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the third quarter, real GDP
increased 2.0 percent.
that was a miss against both the reuters (.8% – Reuters survey) and ap (.9% – FactSet) expectations
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:40 amThe IRS has the real data on the economy. How much money did you make? How much are you sending us this week/fortnight/quarter/year? Ditto for employment. How many people paying FICA? How much each? Everything else is bogus.
nk (dbc370) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:43 am2015 comes in at 2.4% for the year
pitiful obama-raped failmerica hasn’t topped a 3% annual growth rate since 2005
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:43 amDrudge has his poll up again:
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:47 amWOW, here we go.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:55 amSo Trump has 402,221 votes worldwide among people who vote on blogs run by homosexuals who wear fedoras. How much money has he spent to get there?
nk (dbc370) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:03 amhere’s where we were before the boj sent the dollar soaring against the yen Mr. felipe:
all the trendlines look so so bad for failmerica – and they’re getting worse
there are a r e c e s s i o n on our heads
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:08 amSour grapes, nk, nothin’ but sour grapes. Thanks, you put the ram in the ramalamadingdong.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:16 amChris Christie won the debate last night. He’d beat the sox off any Democrat candidate, and he’d make a very tough American president.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:24 amI thought he put the ding-dong in.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:34 amWell, is is kind of like Haiku bragging that he can still get lucky with Greek waiters in Middle Eastern restaurants. Better than nothing, I suppose. 😉
nk (dbc370) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:35 amI think Rubio won last night. But I did love Christie’s public housing comment.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:36 amRubio will never be free of his Gang of 8 Amnesty legislation. When he was running for the Senate I supported him. He came to a TEA Party rally in Naples, Florida and made a great showing, but no sooner did he take office than he turned around and started to push for amnesty.
Few who met and supported him in Naples will ever forget his blatant treachery. Rubio speaks with a forked tongue. The man can’t be trusted, he’s just another professional politician who talks the talk but can’t be counted on to walk the walk.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:57 amEasy ropelight. I just observed that I thought Rubio won the debate not that he walks on water. Back in comment #199 Dana laid out some reasons Trump can’t be trusted as a true conservative, it #237 you hit at Rubio. There is only one person running for president who has never changed his mind and who has never waivered on his basic core beliefs: Sanders. He has always been a bottom feeding commie pig and he remains on today. Hell, even Hillary campaigned for Goldwater way back when.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 7:16 amI don’t mean to argue, ropelight, but if Rubio speaks with a forked tongue because he said one thing and did another…and cannot be trusted because of that.
Um. He Who Cannot Be Named has done a lot of that.
What I keep seeing is folks who focus laser like on one issue, and allow it to have (forgive me) “yuge” influence. But in other circumstances, not so much.
I think it is all emotional. You don’t like or trust Rubio. You are willing to like and trust HWCBN.
Fair enough. But I see a fundamental disconnect.
I think HWCBN is all about a reaction to political correctness and establishment Republicanism. Okay. But it’s not about the person. It’s about the emotion.
What will you do when the things you hated Rubio doing are done by your candidate?
I think about that in every election. YMMV, and I mean no disrespect.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/29/2016 @ 7:40 amWell, Tingles, since it would take your show 25 days to get to the same number of viewers (13M) the question becomes “why would anyone watch a boring white liberal repeat himself for an hour?”
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/wednesday-cable-ratings-chris-matthews-1-in-demo-and-total-on-msnbc-3/
MaaddMaaxx (bc1c5d) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:00 amI once was impressed by Rubio and would have thought he was the “best conservative likely to win” the general.
But the gang of 8 immigration thing really soured me to him, and in the age of repubs saying one thing then doing another,
any behavior that is inconsistent with a promise is a fatal mistake, as long as there is an alternative.
What I wanted, and once posted, was that all of the candidates who claimed Christian faith to get together and pray, and treat one another with respect…
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:08 amhaven’t seen much evidence of that,
sad, but I’m sure the pressure of consultants is intense,
more-so than the encouragement of pastors.
DRJ (15874d) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:31 am
And so does Donald Trump. But he’s pretending otherwise. There are no steps for Cruz to take.
I don’t think, though, that 30% of the Republican base will not vote for Cruz, although the Republican base is the only group of people who would be affected by this, and Donald Trump is lying when he says it could be usaed by the Democrats.
Cruz could explain the legalities a little bit better. There are two places, in theory, he could run into trouble. One is a state’s not listing him on the ballot. This is governed by state law. He could probably win all those cases, because almost certainly no state law specifies things in such a way so as to exclude him.
If he did not appear on the ballot, all that would happen is that somebody’s else’s name, or no name, or “unpledged” would appear on the ballot. Remember, we are voting for Electors actually.
You could also have the issue of whether a state can require an Elector to vite for whom they are pledged. That’s areal unsettled issue, but it’s the general consensus that Electors cannot be punished for violating their pledges.
The second place is Congress. An objection could be made to counting him whe the Electoral votes are counted. The objection would likely lose. The Democrats would have not much of a reason for making trouble, except to embarass the Republicans (on the issue of nativism)
If his name was not counted, THEN and only then, might it go to the Supreme Court, but in the meantime the Republican Vice presidential candiate would be acting president.
However, all of the objections are wrong. Natural born citizen means someone who was a citizen at birth, which is not limited to what it says in the 14th amendment. The requirements to be natural born have changed over time, (and in fact had Ted Cruz been born in Canada between 1907 and 1934 he would not have been a natural born citizen, at least until 1994, when it was made retroactive) but “natural born” itself means nothing more than the person did not need to be naturalized.
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:35 amrubio is part of the elite establishment that disdains real conservatives
my heart burns with contempt for him
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:40 amHoagie, my comment at #237 wasn’t a comeback directed at you. I was describing why I had a personal complaint against Rubio. When I meet a man face to face and he tells me one thing to gain my support and then turns around and does exactly what he said he’d never do – it sticks in my craw.
It’s personal and I hold a grudge.
#239, SJ asked, What will you do when the things you hated Rubio doing are done by your candidate?
When and if Trump reneges on his campaign promises I’ll react the same way. Fool me once…
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:41 amWe should cut Donnie Trump some slack about his past support for Democrats and their big-government policies. After all, he’s been voting consistently for Republican presidential nominees since 2012.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:45 amGee, ropelight, there is NO CHANCE that the Drudge poll is gamed, is there? Just because Trump’s numbers look like a Soviet election result doesn’t mean anything, right?
I mean 2 out of 3 people really think Trump would make an excellent president. This is what you are arguing? Really?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:53 amSee, that’s one of the nice thing about supporting a candidate who’s never (officially) been in a “campaign” before. It allows you to act like “campaign promises” are somehow different from regular ole promises, and to disregard all the regular ole promises that your candidate has broken over the years because, hey, those weren’t “campaign promises”! And then disingenuously act like you care about integrity in your candidates.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:55 amDear American Public who hates the direction of the country:
Next time don’t elect and re-elect a dickweed socialist, just so that you can prove to yourself you aren’t a racist. You’d realize you failed at that anyway, if you understood the term.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:57 amcomes a day after the surprise resignation of Economy Minister Akira Amari.
As in, “over my dead body.”
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:59 am#248, that was my first thought too. Maybe there’s hope for you yet.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:02 amSo, Rubio changes his mind on something, and it’s off to the gallows with him. Cruz, the same.
But Trump who claims to have changed his mind on EVERYTHING, and says that those things he said in the past were just to get over on liberal officials, is for sure telling God’s Truth now?
This is the kind of idiocracy that drives sane conservatives up the effing wall. But the Trumpbots still somehow hear “We want Jeb!” when we say this.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:05 amThat’s Trump’s position on health care reform.
Is that ironic?
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:06 amropelight,
Once you get over your bromance with Trump and return to the land of the cognitive, you’ll see that there’s a lot we have in common.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:10 amOff-topic:
Am I the only one who realized that Hillary’s suggestion that she might appoint Obama to the Supreme Court was a bribe offer?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:11 amMy God, but Drudge is in the tank for Trump. He must know that a Trump administration would be awash in yellow journalism opportunities.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:14 amAnd we’ll still get coverage and price according to our zip code, no matter to what address we mail our check. Just like now with Obamamamacare; just like homeowners and car insurance. In other words, who do you think you’re fooling?
nk (dbc370) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:14 amNo, Kevin, Rubio didn’t just change his mind. People change their minds all the time, politicians too. It ain’t no big thing.
But this is different, it’s personal.Rubio stood directly in front of me, shook my hand, and told me he was unalterably opposed to amnesty for illegal aliens. Then Rubio went to Washington joined the Gang of 8 and became the public face for amnesty legislation.
That’s not changing your mind, that’s a stab in the back.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:20 ami’m part of the revolution against the corrupt establishment cause of how I’m not opposing the Trump Ascendancy
it’s a good feeling
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:27 amAgain, ropelight, this is personal to you.
I wish you had worked with HWCBN on a business deal. You might find Rubio far more fragrant.
There seem to be a lot of people who have worked with HWCBN and are even more upset with him than you are with Rubio. That should give you pause.
It seems like you are willing to take quite a gamble. But again, that is your point.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:51 amBut Trump’s complete SEA CHANGES on EVERY issue are just ho hum? THIS TIME he’s telling us the truth?
Bet you a hundred dollars against a jelly donut that if elected, after building the wall and ejecting a few illegals, Trump comes up with a plan with a pathway to citizenship.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:52 amRopelight, here you go:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/
My guess is that your hatred for one person obscures your vision for another.
How many of those do you think he will honor? Truthfully?
Or is it a “that’s different” kind of logic?
Again, this campaign is more personal than intellectual, let alone practical.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:54 amPT Barnum was right, and Trump has lived his life based on that.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:55 amI read somewhere that if Trump had taken his inheritance and just put it in mutual funds he would be richer than he is today.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:57 amCan I be put into a coma from now until the election is over? Or maybe I can just watch a “Hunger Games” marathon.
CrustyB (69f730) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:04 amThat’s where the Reagan comparison (He used to be a Democrat!) is stupid. Reagan’s views changed over time on basically one thing – the economy – because he perceived that Democrat policies weren’t working. The other thing is, the Democrat party was changing and he didn’t like the direction it was going. He would say “I didn’t leave the Democrat party, the Democrat party left me”. His hawkish military stance and anti-communism for example, did not represent any change in his thinking.
Trump’s backers OTOH actually believe he has changed, more or less overnight, on virtually every position he ever took.
Gerald A (5dca03) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:07 amMy reaction remains what it was last night: we won’t know what the impact was regarding Cruz and Trump until the caucus ends, but Rubio is going to finish a very strong third at worst. Last night helped him.
M. Scott Eiland (1edade) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:10 amSJ, I don’t hate Rubio. I don’t trust him to keep his word. Please don’t try to put your words in my mouth. It’s presumptuous, offensive, and unnecessary – you can make your points without resorting to underhanded tactics.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:21 amWish the candidates would have been asked about the deployment to Iraq of 1,800 troops from 101st Airborne. Make that RE-deployment, we are going back.
Nothing like fighting over the same ground, again.
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:29 amWow, ropelight. I did not intend to offend you.
I just have trouble understanding why Rubio is more of a dishonest and double dealing individual than HWCBN…based on all the things he has said. You cannot possibly trust HWCBN to keep his campaign promises, either.
As I have maintained, this is a reactive election, and his little to do with HWCBN. All emotion.
Lots of good people vote that way.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:33 amKevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:11 am
Sad, that, but Hillary has a place set aside, in her Cabinet, for former Houston Mayor, Anise Parker – Hos before bros.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:40 amLevidicus, why is it disingenuous for ropelight to hope that his candidate who has never made political promises before keeps those promises? You seem to be accusing ropelight of not having integrity because Trump has broken promises in his life and that makes him untrustworthy in politics. I’ve broken promises, haven’t you? Does a broken promise mean the person is eternally untrustworthy? Does it make ropelight disingenuous and lacking in integrity because he truly hopes Trump will show some? Sounds like ropelight is looking for the good in the man while you are blinded by his bad.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:43 amYou might find Rubio far more fragrant.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:51 am
LOL.
felipe (b5e0f4) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:44 amSimon Jester, you should take the word of a person who lost money in business with Trump about as much as you would an ex wife in a custody trial. She’s more apt to say “he raped the children” than “he’s the best dad ever”, right?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:48 amSJ, your inability to understand my support for Trump is thin gruel for assuming I hate Rubio, I don’t hate Rubio – I don’t trust him – but I don’t hate him.
I support Trump. I don’t really care that before he announced his candidacy for President he held different views, so what? And, I’m OK with that. Really. Your assumption I cannot possibly trust HWCBN to keep his campaign promises… is dead wrong. I expect him to do his best to keep every single campaign promise, why wouldn’t he?
You keep pushing the emotion meme. I don’t see it that way. The GOE has been stabbing conservatives in the back since LBJ murdered JFK. I’m fed up with professional politicians and not one of them is going to see the first dime out of me. That ship has sailed.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:49 amYes, Pons Asinorum , my nephew informed the family last weekend he would be going on his third deployment. Gotta love the Nobel Peace Prize President.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:53 amHoagie, your response to Liviticus at #270 is right on target. I’ve tended to all but ignore him after a recent and ugly back and forth because he’s such a pissy jerk. Your response was polite and to the point. He thinks he’s clever and tries to get away with drive-by tactics like cheap shots and snide assumptions. He wouldn’t be comfortable in a room full of men, women maybe, but not men.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 11:08 amI’ve passed this along to my family and extended family, since there seems to be a news blackout as far as Bernie Sanders is concerned, and any mention made is full of fairy dust and pink unicorn farts… I told the younger ones, if you want to see your futures put in even more jeopardy than they’ve been put in over these last 7 years, go ahead and throw your support to Sanders. Most older folks seem to have more sense, it’s these Millenials I worry about.
“2016: Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said Monday his parents would never have thought their son would end up in the Senate and running for president. No kidding. He was a ne’er-do-well into his late 30s.
“It’s certainly something that I don’t think they ever believed would’ve happened,” the unabashed socialist remarked during CNN’s Democratic town hall forum, as polls show him taking the lead in Iowa and New Hampshire.
He explained his family couldn’t imagine his “success,” because “my brother and I and Mom and Dad grew up in a three-and-a-half-room rent-controlled apartment in Brooklyn, and we never had a whole lot of money.”
It wasn’t as bad as he says. His family managed to send him to the University of Chicago. Despite a prestigious degree, however, Sanders failed to earn a living, even as an adult. It took him 40 years to collect his first steady paycheck — and it was a government check.
“I never had any money my entire life,” Sanders told Vermont public TV in 1985, after settling into his first real job as mayor of Burlington.
Sanders spent most of his life as an angry radical and agitator who never accomplished much of anything. And yet now he thinks he deserves the power to run your life and your finances — “We will raise taxes;” he confirmed Monday, “yes, we will.”
One of his first jobs was registering people for food stamps, and it was all downhill from there.
Sanders took his first bride to live in a maple sugar shack with a dirt floor, and she soon left him. Penniless, he went on unemployment. Then he had a child out of wedlock. Desperate, he tried carpentry but could barely sink a nail. “He was a shi**y carpenter,” a friend told Politico Magazine. “His carpentry was not going to support him, and didn’t.”
Then he tried his hand freelancing for leftist rags, writing about “masturbation and rape” and other crudities for $50 a story. He drove around in a rusted-out, Bondo-covered VW bug with no working windshield wipers. Friends said he was “always poor” and his “electricity was turned off a lot.” They described him as a slob who kept a messy apartment — and this is what his friends had to say about him.
The only thing he was good at was talking … non-stop … about socialism and how the rich were ripping everybody off. “The whole quality of life in America is based on greed,” the bitter layabout said. “I believe in the redistribution of wealth in this nation.”
So he tried politics, starting his own socialist party. Four times he ran for Vermont public office, and four times he lost — badly. He never attracted more than single-digit support — even in the People’s Republic of Vermont. In his 1971 bid for U.S. Senate, the local press said the 30-year-old “Sanders describes himself as a carpenter who has worked with ‘disturbed children.’ ” In other words, a real winner.
He finally wormed his way into the Senate in 2006, where he still ranks as one of the poorest members of Congress. Save for a municipal pension, Sanders lists no assets in his name. All the assets provided in his financial disclosure form are his second wife’s. He does, however, have as much as $65,000 in credit-card debt.
Sure, Sanders may not be a hypocrite, but this is nothing to brag about. His worthless background contrasts sharply with the successful careers of other “outsiders” in the race for the White House, including a billionaire developer, a world-renowned neurosurgeon and a Fortune 500 CEO.
The choice in this election is shaping up to be a very clear one. It will likely boil down to a battle between those who create and produce wealth, and those who take it and redistribute it.”
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/bernie-sanders-the-bum-who-wants-your-money/
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/29/2016 @ 11:15 amWell, we Americans are verifiably off our rocker…Trump gets a yuuuuge pass for not showing despite his past non-conservative stances, Cruz suffers slings and arrows for showing up as the alternate leading contender, and those sycophants who show later at a similarly time-slotted faux veteran’s event are not chastised appropriately. Gads, have we collectively lost are minds?
Trump displayed significant tactical skill not showing for this recent debate, absolutely avoided accountability for his past liberal stances, both in support vocally and financially of efforts diametrically apposed to most understandings of conservative intent.
We are screwed. No meaningful visible backing of the abeitly flawed candidacy of the best counter of a Trump nomination, either by the power brokers or the electorate.
SMOD, deliver us and our progeny from certain evil.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 11:23 amNot to worry Colonel, the Dems know they can’t win a general election with Comrade Sanders at the head of the ticket. He’s their problem and they’ll deal with him. As for the Millennials, they are a clear and present danger to the republic. They helped put Barack Obama in the White House twice. They’re the most thoroughly brainwashed generation in American history, incapable of independent thought, think Liviticus.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 11:31 amI am certainly not a good Christian, not even a close approximation…perhaps I and those that hope to have hope of redeeming our awful souls can be reminded of I Corinthians 5 as it pertains to Trump. This man is the antithesis of Christian understanding of humility and its hope for redemptive forgiveness. Trump is an Obama for all intents and purposes when it comes to moral compass. A fickle electorate deserve them both.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 11:40 amDamned kindle, meant to say “Gads, have we lost our minds?” Not “are”…
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 11:48 amMy thanks and respects to your nephew, Rev Hoagie, and to all the Screaming Eagles.
Mr. Obama pulls out of Iraq, against all the advice of his generals, and is now is going back in. Wish he would make up his mind.
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:05 pmDoes anyone wonder as to why Priebus and the RNC have not pushed back on a candidate’s event similarly time-slotted on their party’s sanctioned debate event? Weird, one would almost think the Republican brand was uncommitted to loyalty and throwing the BS flag when clearly called for…
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:05 pmPons, I take it you are tracking the scheduled ’17 deployment of the 101st?
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:07 pm253. Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 9:11 am
What i realize is that this is copying what the Clintons did with Mario Cuomo. Bill Clinton created a vacancy even in 1993. (He got Senator Ted Kennedy to oersuade Byron White, who was close to the kennedy family, to retire) For one week MARIO CUOMO REFUSED TO TAKE HIS PHONE CALL.
This was to get him out of the way for 1996, so he wouldn’t challenmge him for re-nomination. Mario Cuomo had escaped being killed in the World Trade Center bombing. (Clinton had a cnnection to teh WTC bombers, throughh Mohammed T. Mehdi, who in 1992, wa sthe New Alliance candidate for the United States Senate. The New Alliance Party had tried to knock Tsongas off the primary ballot)
The Clintons are making amistake again in thinking someone els emaay be extremely interested in being on the Supreme Court. But I don’t kow what they would want to bribe Obama for. You mean not to get indicted??
Every week his car arrived where the bomb exploded, but taht week it didn’t.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:08 pmWell, to clarify…the CAB…not sure about the DIV.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:13 pmNot sure of the timetable Pieter, I was actually following a construction project regarding an air base we are building in Syria, which is going to be used in support of an attack on Mosul (again). This led me to an article on the (re)deployment of some 101st troops back to Iraq.
1,800 troops.
I’m sure our president and his genius staff consider that a drop in the bucket. Nothing to worry about.
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:21 pmI would have liked to know what candidates agree or disagree with that action and their reasoning.
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:23 pmropelight,
Last night, you informed the world that Megyn Kelly might be a “lipstick lesbian.” Today you’ve accused LBJ of “murdering JFK” in 1963.
Trump definitely does seem to have the Bigfoot/Loch Ness Monster/”Elvis is Still Alive!” constituencies behind him.
Nobody can say that Trump & His Fans aren’t entertaining!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:24 pmCruz came off as a complainer. He should have addressed the accusations head on. He was the leader in the clubhouse going into last nights debate and played over par.
mg (31009b) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:32 pmCruz/West
mg (31009b) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:33 pmI love this site! (putting my pants back on)
All commentators should take a bow and have an extra cookie…this is America. There should be an internet blog site award for best interaction, especially erudition, of participants’ thoughts.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:38 pmWow. Medved just now: I think Trump really wants to help America; I have doubts about Ted Cruz.
Dana (d93c3f) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:39 pmNo sh!t, Colonel? I would never had thought……..
http://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2016-01/195977_5_.jpg
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:41 pmPons, funny how you know the reality of the military build up and such is not covered in the MSM…I’m retiring end of this year, many of my brothers and sisters have arduous work cut out for them long after this administration cedes power to the next.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:43 pmTrump has considered running for President and/or announced his candidacy several times since 1987-1988. I think it’s fair to say his New York values and promises have changed during those 28-29 years. Of course, almost everyone’s views change over 30 years but claiming Trump isn’t a politician so he doesn’t have to be consistent and/or keep promises seems disingenuous to me, too. He’s a perpetual candidate like Ron Paul. People should notice when candidates change their positions.
DRJ (15874d) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:43 pmDRJ, not sure what point you’re attempting…regardless of his past political aspirations, he is demonstrably a Democrat or a RINO at best. Some of us, maybe just me, are a little put off by his questionable claim to epiphany on what most conservatives are adamant. Too soon, too obviously expedient.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:50 pm@ ropelight:
You’re right, Trump is a businessman whose goal is to make money and grow his business. Given that, if he doesn’t hold to the principles of limited government and has in fact supported decisions that deliberately grew government, what have you seen in him that causes you to believe he would change a practice and tactic he’s followed, and taken great pride in his entire adult life? If he were just a businessman, sure, he could re-route and transition, but given his support for big government decisions, isn’t that actual evidence of his stand rather than just thinking he might learn to manage differently?
Dana (d93c3f) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:52 pmMr. Trump has a lot of good qualities to bring to the table as president
a lot of people think he’s a pooper but that don’t matter
He’s gonna make America great again
and then America will be great again
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:54 pmIs Lyndon Larouche at it again?
mg (31009b) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:55 pmropelight’s money shot was when he said the following in #273,
“I support Trump. I don’t really care that before he announced his candidacy for President he held different views, so what? And, I’m OK with that. Really.”
Exactly!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:55 pmhappy feet, keep clapping your hands until jiminy crickets lives. Hope that Trump will similarly answer your prayers is folly.
BTW, if I send you a postal address will send me whatever happy drugs you apparently enjoy? I am truly envious of your altered good spirits.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 12:59 pmi’m just so excited to have a new president Mr. pieter
i been waiting and waiting!
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:02 pmPieter 295,
I was agreeing with Leviticus’ comment 246 that it is disingenuous of Trump supporters to argue that Trump was not a “real” politician before this year so we don’t know if he keeps his promises or changes his positions. He has been a politician on and off for 30 years, he just wasn’t a successful politician until this year.
DRJ (15874d) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:02 pmWe lost in 2012 with an out-of-touch zillionaire northeastern liberal who flip-flopped. So let’s try again in 2016!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:03 pmA thank you right back at ya, Pons Asinorum. My nephew is a real good kid. If he ever stops going to war he wants to finish his engineering degree. I tried to talk him into my old outfit the 82nd but he wanted to follow Gramp from WWII. Ours is one of those old families where the men go to war every generation. I’d hate to think how many enemies of America have been “hoagieized” over the generations. But that’s too bad for them. We’re Americans. When they screw with our country, we go after’em.
Frankly, I wish any of the candidates running on either side was half as good an American as my nephew is.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:04 pmDRJ, oh. Career or wannabe be career politicians should be viewed with a jaundiced eye. Last time I checked, they are applying for the job at our sceptical discernment. Some Trump adherents, practically cult members, appear to have forgotten.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:08 pmhappyfeet, so far you are favorite commentator…half drug-baked nut and polite wellspoken troll. Given the opportunity, I’d buy you a drink and listen to you extol on the virtue of bedwetting as prerequisite for the presidency. Kisses.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:13 pmRev, read your comment to Pons. Godspeed to your nephew…if an officer, hope he has the support of quality NCOs, if enlisted, well led by a smart commissioned…either way, you have a greater family personally invested in our future. Thank you.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:30 pmYes!
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:38 pmYou too Pieter —
Pons Asinorum (49e2e8) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:39 pmTo be fair to ropelight, if there was a conspiracy behind the JFK killing, LBJ had motive, means and opportunity.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:45 pmThe Trump message that resonates is clear:
“FU!!!!” to everyone.
The rest of it is secondary. He could come out tomorrow for selling Texas to Russia and it would not matter.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:48 pmthanks!
happyfeet (a037ad) — 1/29/2016 @ 1:55 pmIf donny boy blue comes out and says he will make the united nations get the hell out of America, I will vote for the Farging Bastige.
mg (31009b) — 1/29/2016 @ 2:01 pmKevin M,
LBJ was not involved in a “conspiracy” to murder JFK.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 2:16 pmmg, I have heard it proffered (Whittle) if a candidate supports certain propositions but also equally supports your previously unacceptable non-negotiable positions…what are you to do with your personable integrity?
Trump is counting on you to sell out your long held standards for a promise, not based on his documented history contrawise, to trust him despite your qualms og an unearned ill-placed hope.
pieter (ec44a2) — 1/29/2016 @ 2:19 pmTrump’s long-held position on “health care”: SINGLE PAYER
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/29/2016 @ 2:34 pmFor anyone to claim he has a strongly held small government approach, that person has to be completely gullible and wholly enthralled. It’s disgusting, really.
pieter- I will vote Cruz in the primary, and trump in the main event if things go the way they are. Other than that team republican gets a lump of coal.
mg (31009b) — 1/29/2016 @ 2:35 pm#316 John Hitchcock,
B-b-b-ut ropelight insists that once Donnie becomes President, he’ll start facillitating the limited-government policies that he failed to support during the first 69 years of his life.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 2:39 pmHere the updated Drudge poll – over a million votes so far:
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 2:49 pmAnd I’m sure that MSNBC has a poll showing that everyone wants Bernie.
Instapundit — actually a hotbed of Trumpbots — had a poll and it came out that Cruz won over Trump by about the same margin.
http://www.dailypundit.com/
Cruz 56%
Trump 18%
Rubio 13%
Fiorina 5%
Paul 3%
I also think the Drudge poll lets you vote for Trump as often as you like.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:07 pmEarth to Kevin – Earth to Kevin -> Focus, Kevin, focus.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:10 pmBy the way, has anyone noticed that Bill Quick of Daily Pundit (nl4u) is this decade’s winner of the Charles Johnson Transformation Award, having gone from a small-l libertarian neocon to a full-on authoritarian and Trump supporter?
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:11 pmOOOPs. Thanks ropelight. Wrong link above. Poll at
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/224903/
And apparently Daily Pundit DOES get a link from me.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 3:13 pmso tired of hearing about cruz cruz cruz
can’t we just have ONE post where we talk about Mr. Trump?
he’s earned that much I think – he’s done a lot to get people engaged especially people in C and D counties who don’t read good
a LOT
where would we be without him probably about to nomernate a low-energy jebbio that’s where
boy some people just can’t see the forest for all these quasi-canadian harvardtrash anchor babies running around
but you know what that’s why we take our time with this nomernating process
so people don’t get hasty
that is a good advice you should take it
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 4:33 pmropelight,
Hey, man, are you still standing by your assertion that LBJ deliberately had JFK assassinated? Is the evidence located in Al Capone’s vault? Or is it stored in Davy Jones’ Locker? (LOL)
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 4:34 pmno that award goes to Cole of Balloon Justice, or others who went to the darkside, if you want a nationalist theory of geopolitics, between status quo ante realists and neocons where would you go,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/29/2016 @ 4:54 pmWhere does ropelight say
nk (9faaca) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:15 pmthat LBJ offed JFK?
Never mind. 237. Aw, ropelight.
nk (9faaca) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:18 pmSorry, 273.
nk (9faaca) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:20 pmnk,
Earlier today, ropelight made the accusation that LBJ murdered JFK. See below.
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“…has been stabbing conservatives in the back since LBJ murdered JFK. I’m fed up with professional politicians and not one of them is going to see the first dime out of me. That ship has sailed.”
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 10:49 am
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:23 pmnk, I didn’t say LBJ offed JFK. I said the was behind the hit. I’ve said it for years, he didn’t pull the trigger but he gave the go signal. There’s no doubt in my mind.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:23 pmi heard jackie found out he was having an affair and put out the hit
you can tell watching the movie where she’s in the car when it happens she’s not super surprised just startled
and she never remarried except for this one guy
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:34 pmThe most likely explanation is that Oswald did it. But if there was a conspiracy, Johnson had no love for the Kennedy’s and after the Bay of Pigs and the missile crisis a lot of people were done with them. I’ve always thought that, if the was a conspiracy, the plan was to blame Castro and invade Cuba despite the agreement with the Soviets. Some really weird stuff was said later that day.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:43 pmif that was true, why didn’t they go through with the invasion, instead they would down support in the Escambray mountains, occam’s razor would suggest the opposite, the same agents who were training in minsk, prompted oswald to do this, to send a signal, the fact they both advanced to the top of their respective services, would punctuate that point,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:47 pmJackie’s involvement in the assassination of her husband is an extremely sensitive issue. I’m not aware of any clear evidence she was directly involved other than her long term relationship with George de Mohrenshildt (Lee Oswald’s Dallas pal).
Yes, she was outraged at JFK’s obsessive sexual betrayals, and it’s true she left him just prior to the Cuban Missile Crisis. However, I can find no direct link between the assassins and Jackie Kennedy herself (and I’ve looked rather carefully).
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:50 pmHow about Cord meyer, kennedy was sleeping with his ex, mary pinchot, one can get very game of thrones, without actual evidence,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:53 pmThis is almost as good as the monthly “Conspiracy Day” on The Michael Medved Show.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 5:58 pmI just received great news!
Trump’s stunt here turned my son in law off of him, permanently.
Also, my Iraq vet daughter will never, ever vote for Trump.
He’s leaning toward Cruz, and she’s definitely in the Cruz corner. And if Trump wins the Primary, she’s writing in Ross Perot or Mickey Mouse.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:08 pmCord Meyer was certainly involved according to the death bed statement of E. Howard Hunt.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:09 pmHoward probably did so, because they had fingered him for such a long time, a bronx cheer for all those who didn’t properly appreciate his talents, sarti was of course in prison at that time, you get a copy of the home game.
narciso (732bc0) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:12 pm“Yes, she was outraged at JFK’s obsessive sexual betrayals, and it’s true she left him just prior to the Cuban Missile Crisis. However, I can find no direct link between the assassins and Jackie Kennedy herself (and I’ve looked rather carefully).”
I disagree. Who do you think teh “grassy knoll” referred to?!?! Jackie was widely known as little Miss Roundheels during this timeframe. Many fellows lingered at that “grassy knoll”. Hell, I was back in DC during this timeframe. I was only 10 years old, but I’m not saying I did, and I’m not saying I didn’t.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:12 pmcrazy salonista, david talbot pondered such a ur conspiracy, which has been optioned for film treatment of course,
so Cruz took most of the knives, and Rubio got the rest, last night,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:19 pmThen wait—who exactly assassinated William McKinley?!
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:24 pmThis sounds like a game of ‘Clue.’
…it was the butler with a knife in the billiards room.
No wonder certain people suspect that Megyn Kelly is out to get them.
what you disagree the knives were out for cruz, last night,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:27 pm“I Go To Rio”
When my baby
When my baby smiles at me I go to Rio
De Janeiro, my-oh-me-oh
I go wild and then I want to do teh horizontal mambo
at teh stoplight
Now I’m not the kind of person
With a passionate restriction
On location or position
I just give in to the rhythm
And my feet follow the beating of my heart
And then we start…
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=479_1454035780
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:27 pmI went to the Club this afternoon and the whole place was abuzz about the debate. Two of my three closest friends, ardent Trump supports, are no longer. They think that Trump “boycotting”, as they put it, was a slap in the face to his supporters. They wanted to see him step up to the podium and blast Megyn and all the other candidates, puff out his chest and declare victory. Instead they got stood up like ugly chicks for the freshman dance. We got two more Cruz supporters, I made sure.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:32 pmCruz Supporter, I’m still trying t understand the post that suggested Megyn Kelly was a lez. If you think that’s a lez you need testosterone shots.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:34 pmYup, Hoagie, my cop son-in-law said Trump left everyone hanging by doing that. So, now Trump gets a “never” from him. And my son-in-law is not a Conservative, he’s a squish. Just the type that Trump has been drawing.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:38 pmHoagie, ropelight fired that lesbian missile. Not Cruz supporter.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:38 pmMr. Trump will make America great again, which is laudable
but he has to get the nomination first!
it’s like baking a cake you have to follow the directions on the back of the box
DUH
happyfeet (831175) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:42 pmMy friends are conservatives, not as conservative as I and not as dedicated as I but conservative nonetheless. They got swept up in the “trump is an outsider who is gonna teach the insiders some lessons” crap. I told them at the start he would blow it but they wouldn’t listen because populism. They just loved the idea of a non-politician politician. Now they feel like chumps.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:44 pmonce more into the thunderdome, what would that prove, the fact the sponsoring network could talk of little else for 24 hours shows how shallow they are,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:47 pmThank you, Mr. Hitchcock.
Reverend Hoagie, it was actually ropelight who made the remark about Megyn Kelly—not me.
“…Megyn Kelly looks too much like a lipstick lesbian for it to be an accident.”
ropelight (565a43) — 1/28/2016 @ 7:55 pm
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:47 pmMcKinley was not assassinated. He faked his assassination because he was sick of the plutocracy and he wanted to open the way for Teddy to implement his progressive policies. He assumed a false identity and lived out his natural lifespan in seclusion.
nk (9faaca) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:48 pmThanks John Hitchcock. I didn’t remember who floated the lezzi Megyn meme but if she’s one Sean Connery is a transsexual and I don’t believe in such nonsense.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:50 pmDidn’t say she was a rug muncher, said she looks too much like a lipstick lesbian for (the look) to be accidental.
ropelight (0d90d4) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:55 pmnk,
I heard McKinley retired to the upper peninsula of Michigan, and actually spent his summers as a front desk clerk named “Bill” at the Grand Hotel on Mackinac Island. Is that what you’d heard, as well?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:56 pmAnd Trumpsters always resort to homoerotic slurs. Always.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:57 pmMcKinley did not retire to Meatchicken. He’s a Buckeye. We’re not traitorous like that.
John Hitchcock (b495dc) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:58 pmRe #354, nk
I heard McKinley moved to the Klondike changed his name to Eunice Pepper, assumed a female identity and spent the rest of his life tending bar at Dan McGrew’s Tavern where he helped the notable Robert Service pen such as The Spell of the Yukon and The Cremation of Sam McGee. He died at home surrounded by his beloved twenty two cats in October of 1931 at the age of 81. His body was not discovered for 14 days during which his cats chewed apart his clothes and carcass revealing his male sex to stunned observers but they buried him as Eunice Pepper in a potter’s field. His beloved cats donated to native tribesmen for sustenance.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/29/2016 @ 7:14 pmTrump Trashing and Lying about Iowa Evangelical Leader
Unless you have your fingers in your ears, eyes closed, and are yelling ‘blah blah blah’ so that what you believe can’t be influenced by anything outside of your head, then the article below should truly bother you about Donald Trump:
Donald Trump took to Twitter Tuesday to attack one of rival Ted Cruz’s more influential Iowa endorsers, Christian conservative leader Bob Vander Plaats. “This plays to Trump’s judgment and temperament,” Vander Plaats told The Des Moines Register in response. “He will burn anybody.”
Trump, a Republican presidential candidate, unleashed multiple tweets critical of Vander Plaats, calling the CEO of the Family Leader “phony” and a “bad guy.”
“Why doesn’t phony @bobvanderplaats tell his followers all the times he asked for him and his family to stay at my hotels-didn’t like paying,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. In reply, Vander Plaats tweeted “@realDonaldTrump Still consider you a friend and you still can’t have my endorsement. My friendship isn’t phony.”
Vander Plaats told the Register: “Trump’s friendship and ‘generosity’ definitely comes with strings.”
Early on when Trump was considering running for president in 2016, he courted Vander Plaats, who is considered influential with Christian conservatives in Iowa and commands the attention of the national political press.
“He invited my wife Darla and me to come to New York and he made sure we stayed with him and he’d be offended if we stayed with anyone with him. And he refused payment,” Vander Plaats said.
“The problem is, it didn’t buy my endorsement. He can make a donation to Hillary Clinton and she will show up at his wedding. … They all do what he tells them what to do and the fact is it hasn’t worked with me.”
On Twitter, Trump followed up by tweeting Vander Plaats “begged me to do an event while asking organizers for $100,000 for himself – a bad guy!”
VanderPlaats replied “@realDonaldTrump you know that’s not true. I gave you an introduction and opportunity and you charged the guy $100K. May work in NY not IA.”
Vander Plaats said this latest public Twitter spat offers yet another example of how quickly Trump can turn on people. Trump lavishes praise until the person says or does something he doesn’t like, and then he badmouths them – including NBC’s Chuck Todd, Fox News’ Megyn Kelly, pollster Frank Luntz, and the Iowa voters Trump called “stupid” when his poll numbers slipped, Vander Plaats said.
“He’s trying to discredit my endorsement. I’m sure he’s not happy,” Vander Plaats said. “I was warned about this by plenty of others – if you don’t endorse him, watch out.”
Vander Plaats said one of the last times Trump spoke to him, “He said, ‘I love you, I love your family. You have a great family.’ And he followed it up by saying any time I was in New York, I’d have a place to stay. Maybe he meant there was a bridge I could stay under.”
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 1/29/2016 @ 7:52 pmTrump: All for one and I’m the one.
nk (9faaca) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:04 pm#361, there’s Gerald identifying what should truly bother you about Donald Trump:
In other words, unless you plug your ears, close your eyes, and yell loud enough to drown out everything except Dr Gerald’s mind control vibrations you might actually think for yourself, maybe even use your vote for the candidate of your own choice instead following Dr Gerald’s orders. For your own good, of course.
ropelight (da3a94) — 1/30/2016 @ 4:58 am#363 ropelight, in the case of commenters sending out mind control vibrations to influence whom you vote for, have you discussed this concern with your physician?
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/30/2016 @ 6:52 amAt one point, ropelight was a respectable individual. Not so much, anymore. He’s rapidly approaching blubonnet stage derangement.
John Hitchcock (cca90f) — 1/30/2016 @ 7:29 amMr. ropelight is a perspicacious patriot
he’s foursquare on Team MAGA
God bless him
happyfeet (831175) — 1/30/2016 @ 7:56 amHitchcock, I’ve had about enough of your abuse. I once considered you a friend, so much so that I offered to send you a box of Honnybells, but withdrew the offer after you tried to bully me over a quip I made about Mormons. You use your Christian faith as a club to beat others into submission. That’s not an admirable trait, and it might be wise to give that some sober thought.
Since then it’s been downhill, little by little, but always downhill, till this election season when your unprincipled attacks have taken on the same animus displayed by ignorant pests like CS, Gerald, and Kevin.
Now you reach back 3 or 4 years, maybe longer, to accuse me of derangement on blu’s level. Why, because you can’t insult me into silence or make me see things your way?
I support Donald Trump because I believe he’s the best candidate for the presidency. That’s my position and your stupid insults won’t change that.
Continue criticizing my comments when you think they deserve it, but please get out of the gutter. We’ll all be better off in the long run.
ropelight (da3a94) — 1/30/2016 @ 8:31 amnot. admirable.
happyfeet (831175) — 1/30/2016 @ 8:33 amThe person who sinks to homoerotic slurs talks about someone else being in the gutter? Cognitive dissonance. And Trump idolatry? Cognitive dissonance. And now all these conspiracy theories? Blubonnet level derangement.
John Hitchcock (cca90f) — 1/30/2016 @ 9:04 amTeam MAGA is an unstoppable force what’s running into immovable poopers
poor poopers
happyfeet (831175) — 1/30/2016 @ 9:21 amI am so for behind in my reading!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 1/29/2016 @ 6:12 pm
nk (9faaca) — 1/29/2016 @ 8:04 pm
Thanks for the laughs!
felipe (56556d) — 1/30/2016 @ 10:47 amropelight (da3a94) — 1/30/2016 @ 8:31 am
I deplore the animus to which you refer, and which many (not just those you listed) have displayed. I admire your stamina and endurance, ropelight. Tell you what; If Trump wins the R nom, I’ll vote for him (rather than writing in Cruz), if you, likewise, will vote for my guy – Cruz – should he win the nom. Do we have a gentleman’s agreement? United we stand, divided we fall.
felipe (56556d) — 1/30/2016 @ 11:00 amThe person who … from the guy who said,
Careful with that shotgun comment. Hitch is a safety violator spraying pellets all over God’s creation. (I think his sights are bent:))
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/30/2016 @ 11:12 am#340, according to Steven Rievele’s book, The Men Who Killed Kennedy (1988) Christian David fingered Lucien Sarti as the Grassy Knoll shooter:
ropelight (da3a94) — 1/30/2016 @ 11:21 amexcept for the detail they were all inprisoned, the mute eyewitness I kid you not, was the most interesting part of the series,
narciso (732bc0) — 1/30/2016 @ 11:23 amI’ll believe Cruz believes global warming is a fraud when he starts acting like it’s a fraud.
And that applies to the GOP entire.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 1/30/2016 @ 11:55 amNo problem felipe, I’ll vote for the GOE’s nominee, as long as it isn’t Hillary Clinton. And thanks for the compliment. Illegitimi non carberundum, and Unitum Stamus.
ropelight (da3a94) — 1/30/2016 @ 12:01 pmThose weren’t my words.
But that’s another example of how Trump’s a liar. In fact he’s pathological. The same thing as Hillary. And also how he savages people who don’t support him, even after acting like he’s their friend. Those are things that normal people have a problem with.
In response to that ropelight claims I’m trying to get people not to think for themselves, without actually disputing anything in the article, which he couldn’t do without lying himself.
I’ve noted before how some of ropelight’s statements in support of Trump resemble TV commercials that try to create some image for the product while saying nothing of any substance.
What are “mind control vibrations”?
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:01 pmMr. President The Donald, he’s gonna work night and day for to make America great again
and that’s no lie!
whereas a president cruz, a highly divisive person, he would spend long languid days snuffling Kim Davis’s butt (yuck)
advantage: Mr. The Donald
happyfeet (831175) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:05 pmActually happyfeet, in key respects ropelight’s responses to people presenting problematic information about Trump tend to resemble your typical responses to statements supporting people who don’t want to bake an SSM cake or anti-abortion arguments. It kind of makes sense you’re both pro-Trump.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:16 pmGerald A, there’s something strange about the way ropelight on the one hand cries that he’s a victim of enormous antagonism, then on the other hand he engages in over-the-top ad hominem attacks on people, whether it is other commenters, or Megyn Kelly. In the past few days, he’s called Megyn a “hog” and a “lipstick lesbian.”
He’s called Leviticus all sorts of names, and then he has the nerve to claim that Leviticus is the one mistreating him. Then again, this sort of cognitive dissonance seems to be a vital part of the Trump playbook.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:18 pmthat’s a very high concept comment Mr. A
i don’t get it
happyfeet (831175) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:19 pmIn the past few days, he’s called Megyn a “hog” and a “lipstick lesbian.”
I wonder if there was some similar phenomenon in Nazi Germany with the anti-semitism of Hitler. I wonder if people who got drawn to Hitler may have started hating Jews just because Hitler hated them.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:23 pmI’m thinking of non sequiturs, including ad hominem “arguments” as cruz supporter notes, misdirection, a tendency to repeat the same thing over and over. Stuff like that.
Is that a high concept?
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:29 pmi just don’t have my thinking cap on today i guess Mr. A
hey monday there’s gonna be a caucusaurus in iowa
ROWR!
happyfeet (831175) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:31 pmcan mr. trump stop the cruuuuzmentum????
tune in and find out!
happyfeet (831175) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:34 pmGerald A, you’re absolutely right. As I’m sure you know, Churchill famously stated that democracy is the worst form of government—except for all the others.
Of course, he was getting at the fact that the populism and mob mentality inherent in democracy are scary—an example being Hitler demogoguery—but at least it requires lots of people to endorse it, rather than just a handful of people to endorse it, as in the case of tyranny or an oligarchy.
Donnie Trump really has the Huey Long populism going for him. He could announce tomorrow that the sky is zebra-striped or polka-dotted, and we’d still have to deal with a handful of commenters accusing us of viewing the sky through an “establishment” lens if we were to merely say, “Well, no, I think the sky is blue.”
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:41 pmI just love how a guy worth ten billion dollars who…happens to name buildings for himself, and who flies on a private jet, and who brags about having bought politicians’ favors, is actually accusing other people of being part of the business as usual establishment.
And there are trained seals who clap for this kind of stuff.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/30/2016 @ 2:46 pmI don’t know why we’re so wrapped up in Iowa. As I’ve noted before, the winner of Iowa on the Republican side has never been a predictor of the eventual Republican nominee. I understand why Cruz thinks it’s important, because he’s not going to do well in NH, and there’s no other early test where has as good a chance to win as he does in Iowa.
It seems like it’s extremely important to Trump to win Iowa. I can’t think of any reason for that except ego. I think he may have a goal for ego reasons of winning every single primary and caucus, with the possible exception of some late primaries or caucuses in small states, and maybe Texas where if Cruz wins he could say “Well they voted for their fellow Texan. What a bunch of idiots.”
On the Democrat side Iowa is a good predictor of the eventual winner.
Gerald A (7c7ffb) — 1/30/2016 @ 6:26 pmiowa uber alles Mr. A
so say we all
happyfeet (831175) — 1/30/2016 @ 7:09 pm