Wishy-Washy Donald Trump Can’t Make Up His Mind On What He Really Thinks About Ted Cruz
[guest post by Dana]
During an interview with George Stephanopoulos yesterday, Donald Trump stepped up his attack on Ted Cruz, saying he was a “nasty guy”:
“Look, the truth is, he’s a nasty guy. He was so nice to me. I mean, I knew it. I was watching. I kept saying, ‘Come on Ted. Let’s go, okay.’ But he’s a nasty guy. Nobody likes him. Nobody in Congress likes him. Nobody likes him anywhere once they get to know him. He’s a very –- he’s got an edge that’s not good. You can’t make deals with people like that and it’s not a good thing. It’s not a good thing for the country. Very nasty guy.”
Effectively demonstrating how Trump is willing to say anything that serves his own best interest at the moment, a Super PAC supporting Ted Cruz responded to Trump’s attack and released this ad in which Trump, in his own words, expresses his admiration and respect for that supposed “nasty guy”:
As one who is not a big fan of political ads, the ads that have come out in support of Cruz have been clever, smart, and effective as they push back against his opponents’ attacks. Use their own words (and actions) against them. Simple and effective.
I don’t know about you, but I always end up smiling when I watch them.
–Dana
Hello.
Dana (86e864) — 1/18/2016 @ 11:27 amNobody likes him.
kim davis likes him a lot she holds him higher than the balls of one of them fancy african gi-raffs
happyfeet (831175) — 1/18/2016 @ 11:35 amI agree regarding Trump’s latest attacks. I consider them every bit as unwise and in poor taste as Cruz’s “New York Values” one. And maybe even worse.
This sort of thing strikes me as pure political mudslinging of the worst sort.
Arizona CJ (da673d) — 1/18/2016 @ 11:36 amHi… for all his alleged business prowess – and I think it’s real – Trump sure has a tendency to come off like an 8th grader. As I’ve said, he’s an asshole, but he is entertaining and I would vote for him in a heartbeat if it came down to him or ANY of the Democrats in the running.
I used to find Cruz a little smarmy, but he’s won my support.
Colonel Haiku (aacf41) — 1/18/2016 @ 11:39 am“a Super PAC supporting Ted Cruz responded to Trump’s attack and released this ad in which Trump, in his own words, expresses his admiration and respect for that supposed “nasty guy”.”
– Dana
Pretty sure that Trump’s lie was in expressing admiration and respect for Cruz. Not that I disagree with your point about Trump’s brazen lying, but Trump isn’t the only one saying that “[Cruz is] a nasty guy. Nobody likes [Cruz]. Nobody in Congress likes [Cruz]. Nobody likes [Cruz] anywhere once they get to know him.”
Lots and lots of people are saying those things.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/18/2016 @ 11:40 am(Of course, lots and lots of the people who don’t like Cruz are shady politicians that don’t like being called on their shadiness).
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/18/2016 @ 11:41 am5. Lots and lots of people hate having their azz handed them. Bet you know at least one such.
DNF (ffe548) — 1/18/2016 @ 11:46 amHeh!
That’ll teach Trump not to say nice things about people he will be running against for President in the future. I wonder what nuggets in praise of Hillary are out there.
nk (dbc370) — 1/18/2016 @ 11:58 amobama was another one-term harvardtrash senator what didn’t have a whole lot of real friends either but he was able to overcome this
Mr. Cruz can overcome this too i think he just needs to stop alienating entire states at a time with his churlish and snotty observations about their values
happyfeet (831175) — 1/18/2016 @ 12:09 pmSorry Arizona CJ, but Trump was attacking Cruz, one of us, a conservative, a Republican. Cruz was attacking leftist New York idiots who are against us, our country and our beliefs. Cruz was attacking the enemy, Trump the allies. Trump’s an idiot. I sure hope I don’t have to vote for that fool to keep Hillary! unemployed.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie™ (f4eb27) — 1/18/2016 @ 12:15 pmIf you REALLY know that for a fact, who are those people?
If Democrats say those things that’s a positive to me. They like R’s that have no conservative principles and think the important thing is to pass something just to say “We passed something”, and hate R’s that have consistent principles they are willing to stand up for. Immigration “reform” is a classic example of that.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 1/18/2016 @ 12:20 pm“If you REALLY know that for a fact, who are those people?”
– Gerald A
Type “arrogant jerk Ted Cruz” into any search engine and take your pick. Weed out as many accounts as you want to satisfy your confirmation bias.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/18/2016 @ 1:06 pmI guess I take Leviticus’s point about Cruz as a good thing. I definitely do not want the President to be the kind of guy that comforts the comfortable in DC today. When most of these so-called reformers get behind closed doors, they start compromising everything they ran on. Cruz doesn’t seem to do this, which must be extremely frustrating to those who try to corrupt him. The GOP and Democrats haven’t become so similar on accident. It’s the result of tremendous financial incentives to bloat government and dependency. If all the big-wigs of both parties prevent any legitimate alternatives from emerging, then the gravy train of power and prestige is safe.
Anyway, so Boehner and Obama and Mccain don’t like Cruz the more they get to know him. For the Trump supporter who sees the Trump campaign as a protest against national decline, I think Cruz should represent a tempting protest alternative.
In an ideal nation, New York and Texas would be separate to run things according to their dramatically different values, tied by a federal government that doesn’t have much impact on local policies. I wish folks would see how we’d all be happier this way.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/18/2016 @ 1:10 pmAgreed, Dustin (hence my comment #6). But apparently most of Cruz’s classmates over the years thought he was a d*ck too. For whatever that’s worth.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/18/2016 @ 1:17 pmyo ted
it’s nice to be important but it’s more important to be nice
write it down
then just try making one new friend every week
it’ll be hard at first and you might have to resort to using baked goods but after that it gets easier
ok good luck
happyfeet (831175) — 1/18/2016 @ 1:20 pmThat’s something. I’d want some specifics, but I like to hear about what people were like before they were politicians.
Dustin (2a8be7) — 1/18/2016 @ 1:32 pmThe most we can do is decide on what we see.
MD in Philly (at the moment not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/18/2016 @ 1:33 pmTed Cruz is one of the few people who did in DC what they said they would.
If I am wrong about that, please point it out.
Yeah, one guy even said that Cruz liked girls when he was in college.
nk (dbc370) — 1/18/2016 @ 1:34 pm“Ted Cruz is one of the few people who did in DC what they said they would.”
– MD in Philly
Another good point.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/18/2016 @ 2:01 pmIt is difficult to overstate the extent to which Evangelicals are looked down on by the elites of both parties. It must be especially galling to Princeton and Harvard Law classmates that a hated Evangelical lapped them intellectually. I can’t imagine that it will bother Cruz that he will not be invited to join their country club.
Now they get to hate the Asians, too. Charming folks.
ThOR (a52560) — 1/18/2016 @ 2:03 pmI don’t care that Cruz is hated by those in Congress. I see that as a good thing. I also see it as a good thing that the GOP political class hates him, too. I’m tired of being represented by elected officials who want to be liked by those who can give them things and make it worth their while more than striving to do the will of the people. It’s a sign of strength and maturity that Cruz doesn’t let the dislike of him stand in the way of his conservative principles and values. I don’t believe he’s in this to be a rock star president like the current one, but rather he is in this to not only save the nation from calamity, but to demonstrate and remind Americans that government was not meant to be a vast money-pit sucking the life blood out of voters, but instead was instead meant to unobtrusively work for the people.
And that’s the reason Cruz is hated: far too many politicians on the left and right like things the way they are – they get to have their cake, and my cake and your cake, and eat it too. All at the expense of the American taxpayer.
I think a major difference between Cruz and Trump is that Trump wants people to like him and think he’s a really neat guy; it’s personal because he’s shallow and likes to be liked. Even in a race for the presidency, he can’t resist. He doesn’t like not being popular – not because of his position on the issues, but because he’s that narcissistic and self-serving.
Cruz wants people to like his position on the issues. Whether he’s liked on a personal level, doesn’t seem to matter much to him. It’s superfluous. The critical part to him is what you think of his policy stands, and that’s why he spends so much time explaining them, and teaching voters about the differences. Trump doesn’t do that so much. Instead, if you watch his rallies, there is the sense that he is continually taking the emotional temperature of the audience, adjusting his words accordingly, and maybe, just maybe, he’ll squeak out a vague policy position.
Cruz believes in, and relies upon the intellectual capabilities of voters while Trump relies upon – and needs – an emotional validation from supporters. He’s always striving to get that full-stadium wave going. It’s the difference between a teacher and a performer.
Dana (86e864) — 1/18/2016 @ 2:41 pmAnd Trump supported Obama.
Kevin M (25bbee) — 1/18/2016 @ 2:48 pmthat’s Mr. The Donald from 2011
i don’t think he’d rape failmerica like how food stamp did
I don’t worry about that at all to be honest
I worry about stuff like germs on the train
happyfeet (831175) — 1/18/2016 @ 2:53 pm
happyfeet (831175) — 1/18/2016 @ 2:54 pmDonald Trump, Obama, HannityDana,
Your description of Trump also describes our former governor. My fear is that a Trump presidency will crash and burn the same way Arnie’s governorship did and for the same reason: the overarching need to be loved. Haven’t we had enough of needy narcissists?
ThOR (a52560) — 1/18/2016 @ 3:42 pmThe concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
– Mr. The Donald, 2012
happyfeet (831175) — 1/18/2016 @ 3:45 pmThis is a Jacksonian election, which means you don’t attack the other guy unless he attacks you first. Once that happens, and it has, the rules are gone and it’s a fight to the end. I expect both Trump and Cruz to fight hard. I expect Cruz to win but we’ll know in about 6 weeks.
DRJ (15874d) — 1/18/2016 @ 3:59 pmGreat comment, Dana.
DRJ (15874d) — 1/18/2016 @ 4:00 pmFluff children, fluff.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-18/worse-1860
Government at all levels is insidious, sociopathic. Trifling over Trump, Cruz, et al., is just a distracted remove from Soylent Green.
DNF (755a85) — 1/18/2016 @ 4:02 pmHaven’t we had enough of needy narcissists?
ThOR (a52560) — 1/18/2016 @ 3:42 pm
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you don’t have your finger on the pulse of this nation, Thor. It’s sad and it is as true as the day is long.
Colonel Haiku (aacf41) — 1/18/2016 @ 4:13 pmif there’s a needier narcissist than Jeb Bush i’ve yet to meet him
Mr. The Donald’s ego is but a pale shadow of the bizarrely hypertrophied air of entitlement Jeb brings to the table
how out of touch can a person be
happyfeet (831175) — 1/18/2016 @ 4:16 pmUntil the 12 monkeys come, we have to deal with the current system.
narciso (732bc0) — 1/18/2016 @ 4:19 pmIt’s hard to find many specific things. One thing was that at Harvard Law he formed a study group of people who graduated from Harvard, Yale or Princeton with high GPA’s. Whoa.
Gerald A (949d7d) — 1/18/2016 @ 5:54 pmAnd he edited an latino issues journal at harvard, just string him up now.
narciso (732bc0) — 1/18/2016 @ 5:55 pmSo Cruz is a firmly right-leaning d*ick and Trump is a thin-skinned squishy egotist.
Take your pick, Republicans. But, for gawd’s sakes, please don’t choose Jeb or any variations of that guy (or shades of Paul Ryan) thereof.
Mark (f713e4) — 1/18/2016 @ 6:42 pm32. By 2043 I’ll be 91. Don’t believe I make the cut.
DNF (755a85) — 1/18/2016 @ 8:48 pm“One thing was that at Harvard Law he formed a study group of people who graduated from Harvard, Yale or Princeton with high GPA’s. Whoa.”
– Gerald A
“As it turned out, though, almost everyone I knew well in college remembered him really well. Vividly. And I knew a number of his friends. But for whatever reason I just didn’t remember him. When I saw college pictures of him, I thought okay, yeah, I remember that guy but sort of in the way where you’re not 100% sure you’re not manufacturing the recollection.
I was curious. Was this just my wife who tends to be a get-along and go-along kind of person? So I started getting in touch with a lot of old friends and asking whether they remembered Ted. It was an experience really unlike I’ve ever had. Everybody I talked to – men and women, cool kids and nerds, conservative and liberal – started the conversation pretty much the same.
“Ted? Oh yeah, immense a*#hole.” Sometimes “total raging a#%hole.” Sometimes other variations on the theme. But you get the idea. Very common reaction.”
– Josh Marshall, Ted Cruz classmate
Leviticus (c3e73d) — 1/18/2016 @ 9:03 pmPeople are so desensitized, these days. Once upon a time, all you had to do was say “X was not liked by a handful of liberal losers in college” and that would be the end of X’s political career. Now, you have to convince 100 million or so voters why it’s important to them what a handful of loser liberal college students thought about X when they were in college together.
nk (dbc370) — 1/18/2016 @ 9:51 pmSounds like Josh was the one that really didn’t like Cruz, but didn’t have the balls to say so. Think about it.
NJRob (a07d2e) — 1/18/2016 @ 10:20 pmThe media couldn’t find anyone who recalls Barack Obama from political science classes at Columbia, but now the media are traveling to Slovenia to hunt down people who might have had an argument with Ted Cruz at a Saturday night kegger in 1991.
Neurologists should do an authorized study to determine why Columbia students are so forgetful.
Cruz Supporter (102c9a) — 1/18/2016 @ 10:38 pmhttp://townhall.com/columnists/phyllisschlafly/2016/01/19/will-the-republican-establishment-stand-down-n2106375
mg (31009b) — 1/19/2016 @ 1:59 amThis lady rocks.
http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2016/01/breitbart-and-drudge-being-paid-big.html
mg (31009b) — 1/19/2016 @ 3:57 amRuh Ro
breitbart i can belieber but not Mr. Drudge
he guides himself by his own stars
he’s a beneficent pickle and for reals I haven’t seen this putative anti-cruz bias on his page that the lil guy at the link says he sees
he does have a thing up what say “cocaine can cause the brain to EAT itself,” which is a not-so-veiled swipe at Jeb
happyfeet (831175) — 1/19/2016 @ 4:31 amSpeaking of Slovenia, two of Trump’s brides were Middle-European immigrants. Which should prove to him that immigrants do in fact do the jobs Americans don’t want to do.
nk (dbc370) — 1/19/2016 @ 4:41 amThat article appears to be the primary source of the “Ted Cruz arrogant jerk” narrative.
There’s nothing specific in there (and I might add it’s also completely unattributed).
As I said, “It’s hard to find many specific things”. The study group is the only specific thing in the whole article unless I missed something.
This is actually an illustration of how liberal media narratives get created – Bush is stupid, Obama’s smart, Romney’s mean and now apparently Cruz is an arrogant jerk will be something we’ll be hearing constantly. Look for it to pop up in Stephen Colbert monologues.
Gerald A (5dca03) — 1/19/2016 @ 6:59 ambravo, nk.
mg (31009b) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:02 amLeviticus,
Josh Marshall’s leftist pals, and Craig Mazin and his leftist pals, didn’t like Ted Cruz.
Unsurprising, and so f***ing what?
Patterico (86c8ed) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:14 amAs I recall, Craig Mazin’s killer point on Cruz was that he didn’t like his bathrobe, or something.
Look: people who stand up for things often upset the thin-skinned. And a lot of hard leftists are thin-skinned.
Patterico (86c8ed) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:17 amAnd, not a few Cruz supporters too.
ropelight (86edb7) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:20 am“So f*cking what?” is a fine response, but I tend to believe the accounts. We’re all victims of confirmation bias, here.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:23 amI guess I don’t know the relevance of what folks thought about a person in college or law school to today.
Didn’t we go through that a whole bunch in 2008?
I once talked to a person who had a friend in common with me, someone who had been in grad school with me. The person who had been in grad school with me had described me as being a “complete skirt chasing hound” which I can assure you was the farthest thing from the truth.
The person I was talking to insisted that my “friend” had said “everyone” knew that.
I was pretty upset about it, so I talked to a bunch of people I went to graduate school with…and guess what? They laughed at the idea.
I always wonder cui bono about that kind of thing. Especially in politics.
Just my opinion of course. But it seemed pretty high school “Mean Girls” of Josh Marshall to try that out.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:24 amAt least we can all agree that Donald Trump is an assh*le.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:24 am“Didn’t we go through that a whole bunch in 2008?”
– Simon Jester
Yeah. Enthusiastically and exhaustively.
That’s different?
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:25 amSigh.
Simon Jester (2708f4) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:26 am#52, Leviticus wrote: At least we can all agree that Donald Trump is an assh*le.
Maybe not all of us. Some of us, sure. But not all of us. Trump might just be demonstrating the values typical of his local environment. Sort of an asshole by a accident of birth.
Yet, you Leviticus are a self-made asshole.
ropelight (86edb7) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:33 amSimon… you old hound, you…
Colonel Haiku (aacf41) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:36 amIf Sammy is reading maybe he can find it for us.
There is a verse in Proverbs that says to the effect,
What one person says sounds good,
Until you hear the other side.
My, there is nothing new under the sun,
MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:41 amThe world would be a better place if we would remember that just 1/2 the time we need to.
But then Paul of Tarsus and Paul of Simon remind us that most of the time people hear what they want to hear anyway.
MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:43 amClinton is a lying, womanizing jerk, just like JFK. George W Bush is stupid. Obama is an arrogant socialist, and Cruz is an arrogant conservative. Trump is just arrogant.
People have flaws and getting elected President doesn’t change that, but I’m happy to vote for the one person I know is a conservative.
DRJ (15874d) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:44 amHere’s some great news for a Tuesday: one year from today will be the last day Teh Won “serves” as POTUS.
(Choking back tears now…)
Colonel Haiku (aacf41) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:45 am“Yet, you Leviticus are a self-made asshole.”
– ropelight
At least I’m self-made. Unlike Donald Trump.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:45 amActually confirmation bias refers latching on to allegations or information that confirms what one already believes. I see virtually no information in the first place.
But putting a lot of weight on “Everybody I talked to says he’s a jerk” from a liberal source, with almost no specifics (and the one specific is a huge yawn), is a classic of confirmation bias.
Gerald A (5dca03) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:47 amI’m self-made. Unlike Donald Trump.
Leviticus (efada1) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:45 am
Yes, but are you a yuuuuge one?
Colonel Haiku (aacf41) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:52 amFor Leviticus, re cocky Ted Cruz:
DRJ (15874d) — 1/19/2016 @ 5:32 pmWhat he learned:
DRJ (15874d) — 1/19/2016 @ 5:37 pmhe sounds so super-nice like you want him to be your neighbor
happyfeet (831175) — 1/19/2016 @ 5:52 pm57. MD in Philly (not in Philly) (deca84) — 1/19/2016 @ 7:41 am If Sammy is reading maybe he can find it for us.
A couple of years back, at least 4 but I know longer, maybe seven to ten, someone I know from the synagogue wanted to go over Proverbs.
We read it, or really he read it, so fast, one verse after another (over a period of days or a few weeks but still fast) that I got nothing out of it. There are so many different thoughts there, you can’t absorb them rapidly, or think about them. I just learned that the start of Proverbs was not a set of proverbs, but a long introduction about the value of wisdom or not rejecting teachings and how it is someone’s ruin to be a bad person. Proverbs 9:10 is something famous, which I had thought had come from Psalms. The proverbs only really begin with chapter 10!
What I know of Proverbs is basically from “outside” – what’s been quoted elsewhere, and sometimes I look in, could be sometimes maybe even it’s quoted and explanation is given somewhere.
I knew that that probably not a single word you used was in the English translation. I used a Hebrew concordance.
I could guess maybe “yashar” (right in the sense used in Deuteronomy 6:18 (good and right) and here it means beyond what is merely legal – or it’s used also at the end of Judges a few times, like Judges 17:6)
I could guess maybe “yashar” is in that. I used a Hebrew concordance. I didn’t find it.
Now the thought you expressed didn’t sound like something Solomon would say – it wouldn’t make sense except on the context of judging, where it is very Jewish. In the context of a court, right would maybe use the word “tzaddik” (the person who is wrong in a court being called Rasha, although “rasha” has a quite independent, and worse meaning.)
So I tried “tzaddik, and there were so many uses of that word in the concordance, which this one didn’t go in scriptural order, that I could nothing with it. But I looked alittle in proverbs, past Chapter 10 somewhere closer to the middle – and then I found it!
It’s recognizable as what you said, and it is in the context of a judge in a court, although I wouldn’t ex[ect you to pick that up.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2818.htm
Proverbs 18:17
יז צַדִּיק הָרִאשׁוֹן בְּרִיבוֹ; יבא- (וּבָא-) רֵעֵהוּ, וַחֲקָרוֹ. 17 He that pleadeth his cause first seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him out.
That’s bad transaltion. Mechon-mamre is supposed to be a good one. Searches him out is completely wrong. That’s what a judge tries to do. With the original testimony. I would translate it:
The first one is (or appears to be) the righteous one in his quarrel – (then) his friend comes and falsifies him.
Or as the 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation has it (based on the King James mostly, but with modifations)
“He that pleadeth his cause first seemeth just [Just could also be a translation of “tzaddik”) But his neighbor cometh and searcheth his out.
It is really “falsifies him.” I mean, the root there is “sheker” (falsity, lies)
That’s one of the (many) places where the 1917 Jewish Publication Society “Holy Scriptures” didn’t correct the King James version.
Maybe it’s not so bad in Elizabethan or Shakespearean English, but I don’t know.
You had it:
…which is pretty good.
You have to remember this pertains to a judge in a court. It’s a very important Jewish principle. It got into American law too, with ex-parte communications being viewed very, very, unfavorably, witha few notable exceptions.
That’s King Solomon also, Ecclesiastes 1:10. It’s sometimes, maybe even often, true, because precedents are forgotten, and most often true when it comes to interactions between human beings.
And the attitude of Pharaoh toward people leaving Egypt (Exodus 1:10 and you also see this at the end of Genesis, where Joseph even has to promise to return] sounds very reminiscent of the old Soviet Union. It was so strange an idea to Rashi (and others) that he thought the words were a euphemism for chase them out.
Now we’ll see how long it takes for this to get out of moderation.
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 1/19/2016 @ 8:53 pmNow the meaning of that proverb isn’t that every time the first witness is lying and the second one is telling the truth! It’s just an example.
In fact the name of the book is “Mishlei” which doesn’t really mean proverbs, but means parables, allegories, examples.
So I could see why some people didn’t want to translate the word as “falsifies” because you read it badly as something that happens every time, rather than something that could happen some time.
Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 1/19/2016 @ 9:08 pmCorrection: I made an error.
It is really “falsifies him.” I mean, the root there is “sheker” (falsity, lies)
Somehow I “saw” the wrong Hebrew word. It differs from one letter from what is actually in Proverbs.
This changes the meaning slightly and means the translations are right.
He that pleadeth his cause first seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him out.
here we have to picture, not the other person tetsifying, but his neighbor cross-examining him. But I thought only the judgge does that. It still has the meaning of the first person sounding like he was right and then something haoppening when his “friend” – by the way the “friend” or “neighbor” might be a different witness – except that a witness shurely wuld not be cross examing him.
There are a few other proverbs in Proverbs 18 about courts. At least one, anyway.
ה שְׂאֵת פְּנֵי-רָשָׁע לֹא-טוֹב– לְהַטּוֹת צַדִּיק, בַּמִּשְׁפָּט. 5
It is not good to respect the person of the wicked, so as to turn aside the righteous in judgment.
Sammy Finkelman (643dcd) — 1/28/2016 @ 4:39 pm